Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody.
Speaker 2: It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: Scott Bogmin. Follow me on the Twitter at Bogman Sports.
Speaker 2: I'm joined as always by my friend, oh Pat Fitzmorris
Speaker 2: at fits Underscore ff on the Twitter machine, FITZI, we
Speaker 2: got camp movers and who has moved the most on
Speaker 2: our dynasty list? Because you know, dynasty lists shouldn't move
Speaker 2: too much from when you initially make them, but there
Speaker 2: is a lot of news in camp, a lot of injuries,
Speaker 2: a lot of moving pieces, a lot of guys in
Speaker 2: the doghouse, a lot of guys surprising.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's easier.
Speaker 2: To move some players up than it is to move
Speaker 2: some players down, but some players have to move down
Speaker 2: as well. So have you do you kind of find
Speaker 2: that to be the way you do things on your
Speaker 2: dynasty list or are you like moving pieces a little
Speaker 2: bit here and there, like every single day Boggs.
Speaker 3: I think dynasty rankings change more during training camp than
Speaker 3: redraft rankings because a lot of times it's the guys
Speaker 3: in sort of the bottom reaches of the rankings that
Speaker 3: we're moving around, and those guys are important in dynasty
Speaker 3: because we've got you know, twenty eight man, thirty man,
Speaker 3: thirty two man rosters, and you know, some of these
Speaker 3: guys like it's it's becoming a parent. They're just not
Speaker 3: going to have significant roles this year, maybe like are
Speaker 3: fighting for their NFL lives and other guys uh climbing
Speaker 3: and guys like and hopefully we can squeeze in some
Speaker 3: talk about these guys like there are a bunch of
Speaker 3: guys who totally were falling through the cracks of rookie
Speaker 3: drafts a couple of months ago now who look like,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, really interesting pieces. You know, let's
Speaker 3: start there.
Speaker 2: Let's start there, FITZI, And let's start with some of
Speaker 2: the guys that are moving up just overall, and you know,
Speaker 2: mainly it's rookies, right, sometimes it's veterans or you know,
Speaker 2: usually it's young veterans that didn't make an impact last
Speaker 2: year and now are making impact this year. There's a
Speaker 2: couple on my list. I know there's a couple on
Speaker 2: your list as well, Fitzy. But let's just start with
Speaker 2: some of these guys that are are moving up that
Speaker 2: are rookies that kind of fell through on those first
Speaker 2: year player rookie drafts. However, you guys do it? Who
Speaker 2: are some names that stick out to you? Want to
Speaker 2: start at running back here?
Speaker 3: Sure? Duce Vaughn is a big one for me, and
Speaker 3: I just thought he was too small. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: like the only guy to have ever measured in at
Speaker 3: the combine at five to five. So I you know
Speaker 3: what I'm like, I'm not too much of a sizest
Speaker 3: when it comes to my running backs. As you know,
Speaker 3: I've been touting von a chain throughout the process, and
Speaker 3: I guess I shouldn't be biased against Deuce. Would it
Speaker 3: be inconceivable that he would be the handcuff behind Tony Pollard?
Speaker 1: Not inconceivable.
Speaker 2: But I tell you what made me give up on
Speaker 2: guys at Ducevonn sizes Donal Pumphrey, right. Donald Pumphrey was
Speaker 2: a little guy from San Diego State. I think he
Speaker 2: was an inch taller than Deuce by the way, five six,
Speaker 2: great player, and I was I kind of pushed my
Speaker 2: chips in here.
Speaker 1: Just didn't work out.
Speaker 2: Also was Philly when Philly was playing musical chairs with
Speaker 2: running backs and stuff, but he couldn't even make it
Speaker 2: as a special teamer.
Speaker 1: And he got hurt immediately. It was just a size thing.
Speaker 2: And when you watch duce Vawn play, especially at Kansas State,
Speaker 2: he's unbelievable, Like we should probably never have that thought.
Speaker 2: And this is why I particularly don't care for thresholds.
Speaker 2: A lot of teams will take a guy off their
Speaker 2: draft list because he's not x amount of weight or
Speaker 2: x amount height, or his hands aren't big enough where
Speaker 2: he doesn't run a certain speed or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But I think film should probably be number one, and
Speaker 2: it should be like eighty five percent of your evaluation.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe knock a guy if he comes in underweight, overweight,
Speaker 2: you know, shorter than you expected, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe push him.
Speaker 2: Down a little bit, but don't ruin what they've done,
Speaker 2: what they've shown you on the film. And duce Van
Speaker 2: is one of those guys. You're exactly right where. You know,
Speaker 2: we overlooked him because of his size, and everything he's
Speaker 2: done has been impressive, even Blitz pick up, which is
Speaker 2: surprising for it. He just knows how to use that
Speaker 2: size and leverage, and he knows how to use his
Speaker 2: size to his advantage, you know, in traffic to kind
Speaker 2: of duck below the defenders. They can't see him behind
Speaker 2: the offensive lineman, so he's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 2: He's definitely a guy that I overlooked as well. So
Speaker 2: who else as far as running backs? Is there any
Speaker 2: other ones that are standing out to you here?
Speaker 3: I think that's really it. I mean, maybe Chris Rodriguez,
Speaker 3: Keaton Mitchell could possibly be yeah factors, but really it
Speaker 3: was only Deuce. I think they're more at wide receiver bogs.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's a lot of wide That's why I didn't
Speaker 2: want to start with wide receiver. There's a ton of
Speaker 2: them out throw. So Kyat Mitchell is a good one.
Speaker 2: I feel like that whole running backs depth chart behind
Speaker 2: Dobbins might get mixed up here because you know, Melvin
Speaker 2: Gordon could get cut. They don't owe him a lot
Speaker 2: of money, so he's not having a good camp. Kyat
Speaker 2: Mitchell has been good, Justice Hill has been pretty solid.
Speaker 2: Sean Tucker had a pretty decent preseason game the last
Speaker 2: time out for the Bucks. So there are some other
Speaker 2: running backs that we'll talk about too when we get
Speaker 2: into our big movers here. But let's go to wide
Speaker 2: receivers here. FITZI and I mean obviously and I didn't
Speaker 2: put him on this list because I'm beating the drum
Speaker 2: too loud. But Jalen Hyatt has impressed everybody, So you
Speaker 2: start there and kind of work down. But there are
Speaker 2: so many guys on this list. If you had to pick,
Speaker 2: we'll go over them all. But if you had to
Speaker 2: pick one that you're taking a dart throw at the
Speaker 2: end of a rookie draft, end of a you know,
Speaker 2: full draft, whatever it is. Who is that guy that's
Speaker 2: impressed you the most that you want to get some
Speaker 2: investment in.
Speaker 3: Here, Well, Cedric Tillman, but I mean he was going
Speaker 3: in most drafts. Like of the guys who I don't
Speaker 3: think were commonly going, or at least not until the
Speaker 3: fifth round of rookie drafts, I would say maybe Pookin
Speaker 3: Na Koua and all credit to Eric Brown, he was
Speaker 3: on this guy. And I think with Pooka and another
Speaker 3: guy who would be right on his heels, Michael Wilson
Speaker 3: of the Cardinals. So it looks like it's going to
Speaker 3: start as their ex receiver. Both of those guys. Hard
Speaker 3: to get a read on them in college based on
Speaker 3: how often they were hurts, and maybe that's going to
Speaker 3: be a concern for them in the NFL too, because
Speaker 3: these guys were not giving us full seasons at the
Speaker 3: college level. But you know, Pooka, they sat him out
Speaker 3: in pre season week two. I don't know if that
Speaker 3: was because this child was secure and they're actually doing
Speaker 3: the veteran deference thing with this Day three rookie. But
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be really good. Wilson is
Speaker 3: really intriguing. Dumario Douglas. Should we mention him two?
Speaker 1: Douglas?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I thought Kaishon Booty based on
Speaker 3: his sophomore year was really interesting, but it seems like
Speaker 3: Douglas is ahead of Booty in the for a roster.
Speaker 2: He definitely is. I mean, Bota has done some good things, yea.
Speaker 2: I think he scored a big touchdown in last week's
Speaker 2: preseason game, so he has been very, very solid. But Douglas,
Speaker 2: it's every day in camp, like you go and you
Speaker 2: look at you know, and we're getting a lot of
Speaker 2: this from beat Riders, but also you hear from the
Speaker 2: coaches as well. You know of these guys having great
Speaker 2: stuff in camp, and everybody is raving about the Mario Douglas,
Speaker 2: who apparently I didn't know he went by Pop. I
Speaker 2: think we need to call him Pop Douglas because that's
Speaker 2: what he goes by. But yeah, Douglas has been great
Speaker 2: and Bota has been good. They really are pushing Taekwon
Speaker 2: Thornton off of the roster, who is kind of a
Speaker 2: he's a little bit of a one trick pony, just
Speaker 2: a speed guy, but also like that is exactly what
Speaker 2: they needed in New England and he is just not
Speaker 2: providing big plays at all. So uh yeah, great, great
Speaker 2: one for him. Any other whiteouts that that you're looking
Speaker 2: at that have been moving up your board here?
Speaker 3: I think that's about it, Boggs, at least among you
Speaker 3: know what we're talking about the guys from the reaches
Speaker 3: of the draft where some guys who weren't even taken
Speaker 3: in some drafts or whatever like there there are other
Speaker 3: guys I mean.
Speaker 2: About Tank, Yeah, Tank Dell, because he was going in
Speaker 2: most drafts, but it was so sure, you know.
Speaker 3: Fourth round typically if I.
Speaker 2: If I asked you Tank Dell versus Josh Downs today,
Speaker 2: are you still going Josh Downs?
Speaker 3: I am, but it has gotten a lot closer. Whereas
Speaker 3: Downs with a guy like I was even considering, maybe
Speaker 3: like late in the second round right right now, Now,
Speaker 3: that seems like maybe it was too early and Tank yes,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still inherently skeptical of wide receivers that small,
Speaker 3: especially when they don't have just blazing speed, and Tank
Speaker 3: is fast. Maybe it's more like quickness. I guess it's
Speaker 3: just for Stopwatch speed. I wasn't that impressed by what
Speaker 3: Tank Bell. Tank Dell ran at the combine. Like a
Speaker 3: guy that's small, You're hoping he's subbed for four, which
Speaker 3: Tank is not.
Speaker 2: But I think that is one of the guys like
Speaker 2: the Tank Dell is one of those guys that I
Speaker 2: always make fun of the three cone drill because everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: Dk Metcalf, he's so stiff, terrible three It was like
Speaker 2: a historically bad three cone trill. I'm like, why are
Speaker 2: you asking Tank Dell to or why Tank del you
Speaker 2: should ask to cut? Why are you asking Dk Metcalf
Speaker 2: to do these hard cuts? Yes, everybody has to do them,
Speaker 2: but he's just he's an oak tree. He gets in
Speaker 2: front of a dB and they're not getting around him,
Speaker 2: so he's using his size, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So his separation is like man handling a cornerback and
Speaker 3: throwing fucking them scrimmage exactly.
Speaker 2: It's a big stiff arm to the ground. That's what
Speaker 2: DK needs. But the little guys like that who probably
Speaker 2: need to pay more attention to the three cone drill
Speaker 2: for them because he just snaps off a route incredibly
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, the defenders just like, well, where'd
Speaker 2: he go? I mean, it's amazing to watch him. A
Speaker 2: couple of the Cincinnati guys too, like they don't need them,
Speaker 2: but are Josuvach Charlie Jones have been making some great plays.
Speaker 2: Trenton Irwin gott in a lot of buzz in camp.
Speaker 2: So the Bengals depth chart has been really, really good.
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned Cedric Tillman, who is buried, But
Speaker 2: is would it be that surprising him? Maybe it would
Speaker 2: be because DPJ has played so well, But we know
Speaker 2: that Elijah Moore is the two, Mark Cooper's the one,
Speaker 2: and Joe Who's the third option in the past game
Speaker 2: and everyone is behind there's two steps behind Nick Chubb
Speaker 2: for touches. But that fourth wide receiver Tillman versus DPJ,
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, I think Tilman pushes DPJ back
Speaker 2: to the bench most downs, So.
Speaker 3: Maybe I mean, like, even if that doesn't happen this year,
Speaker 3: the Bogs, like tian Is Way Tillman, is one injury
Speaker 3: away from any of three guys to be a part
Speaker 3: of three receiver sets. Yeah, I just like, I like
Speaker 3: how he looks in the field. He just looks like
Speaker 3: a big bully, you know, he is a physically impost
Speaker 3: like it's going to be a problem for cornerbacks Bogs.
Speaker 3: And by the way, anyone who's joining this late wondering,
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking about the lesser rookies, the guy
Speaker 3: who Yeah, I mean, we're not mentioning Zay Flowers, who
Speaker 3: looks out absolute gem. We're not mentioning Bijeon, who, of
Speaker 3: course is going to be awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, then we move up that much. They were already
Speaker 1: very high.
Speaker 3: We're not even mentioning your guy, Luke Musgrave Bogs, who
Speaker 3: apparently has been so impressive in Packers camp they're running
Speaker 3: jet sweeps with him.
Speaker 2: I know, man, So I'm so excited about Luke Musgrave
Speaker 2: and my take on Luke Musgrave before the draft and everything.
Speaker 2: My I think the main concern with Luke Musgrave is
Speaker 2: not about skill. He always had it. It's about injury.
Speaker 2: And staying on the field because he didn't do a
Speaker 2: lot of that at Oregon State, which is a little
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Speaker 2: With that being said, FITZI, let's dive into our biggest
Speaker 2: movers from camp. We've talked about some of the guys
Speaker 2: at the bottom. Maybe you want to make a dart
Speaker 2: throw on and pressing in camp and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: But who physically moved on your list the most. Let's
Speaker 2: start at quarterback and let's you know what, let's put
Speaker 2: our best foot forward here, Fitzy, Let's go with the positive.
Speaker 1: Who is moving up your list? To start?
Speaker 3: Jordan Love got to say it's Jordan Love. Like I'm
Speaker 3: you know, you know, I'm sort of a Jordan Love skeptic,
Speaker 3: boggsy the.
Speaker 2: Way that should be a Milwaukee band name for sure,
Speaker 2: Jordan Love skeptic.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. As someone who just hated the Jordan Love draft
Speaker 3: pick in twenty twenty, I've been not like biased, but
Speaker 3: I've I've definitely wanted some hard evidence of UH competence
Speaker 3: from Jordan Love and hadn't really gotten too much of
Speaker 3: it to date. But camp reports have been pretty good.
Speaker 3: He's looked good in the preseason games. I'm cautiously enthusiastic,
Speaker 3: and then we just talked about Musgrave. Reports have been
Speaker 3: glowing about Jaden Reed as well. I think Watson and
Speaker 3: Romeo Dubbs, Christian Watson Romeo Doves are looking like, you know,
Speaker 3: they're going to be solid NFL wide receiver. Well, Dubbs
Speaker 3: will be a solid NFL wide receiver, and Watson could
Speaker 3: be a star. Even though this is one of the
Speaker 3: youngest pass catching groups in NFL history, it's actually looking
Speaker 3: like it could be an average or above average group,
Speaker 3: which I didn't think we were going to get. And
Speaker 3: you know, Jordan Love's going to get a better offensive
Speaker 3: line this year than Aaron Rodgers is going to have
Speaker 3: with the Jets.
Speaker 4: So like he's ecosystem is is pretty good, and I
Speaker 4: think I'm starting to feel pretty good that he is
Speaker 4: not going to fall in his face, and that is
Speaker 4: very faint praise indeed, Bogs.
Speaker 3: But you know, maybe I'm holding out hope that he
Speaker 3: could be, you know, an average to above average starter
Speaker 3: this year. I think there's a chance.
Speaker 2: I think the the biggest credence towards that is the
Speaker 2: fact that they got to let him just do everything
Speaker 2: he possibly can, and because this is his ear right,
Speaker 2: Like you get one shot, and it's not fair that
Speaker 2: you sat for three years. You get one season as
Speaker 2: a shot, and that's your audition and that's it. But
Speaker 2: if the Packers fall on their face, as you said,
Speaker 2: and are terrible, they're going to be picking high and
Speaker 2: a QB heavy draft. From what we see from the
Speaker 2: outside as of now, it looks like a QB heavy draft,
Speaker 2: So they will absolutely draft your replacement if you are
Speaker 2: not good this year, which makes me excited about drafting
Speaker 2: Jordan Love on a redraft as well as a dynasty
Speaker 2: league because he's got a real shot here to make it,
Speaker 2: and I think like he was under utilized as a
Speaker 2: runner in college. I think you might get a little
Speaker 2: more of that with him because he can move. It's
Speaker 2: not something he typically does, but he can move. So
Speaker 2: hoping to see a little bit of that as well.
Speaker 2: My first QB, I only have one QB. I didn't
Speaker 2: have any really moving down. Obviously, move guys down a
Speaker 2: little bit, but I think the guy that moved the
Speaker 2: highest to me in camp and preseason all that is
Speaker 2: Malik willis moving back up the list. And this is
Speaker 2: a guy going into the draft that we thought, all right,
Speaker 2: Tannehill is the one, Maleak's the two, and then the
Speaker 2: Titans go out and draft will Levis and you couple
Speaker 2: that with the fact that they weren't willing to give
Speaker 2: Malik Willis the reins when they were down and out,
Speaker 2: they went and got a street free agent, Josh Dobbs
Speaker 2: to do it. So that's how far down he was
Speaker 2: in the mind of the Titans. And now it looks
Speaker 2: like he has won this number two job, and a
Speaker 2: number two job behind a guy that is on shaky
Speaker 2: ground in Ryan Tannehill. So I had him in the
Speaker 2: high forties. I moved him to the high thirties. Currently
Speaker 2: his dynasty ECR and for love, it's twenty four, so
Speaker 2: it's like the Latin a twelve man that's your last
Speaker 2: QB two. Malik Willis's ECR is forty right now among qbs,
Speaker 2: I moved him to thirty, so you know, before ahead
Speaker 2: of some of those starters blow him because he does
Speaker 2: have the crazy rushing upside, and maybe he is still
Speaker 2: going out there a little bit and doing backyard stuff,
Speaker 2: but it's more controlled and less chaotic and panicky now.
Speaker 1: And that is his game.
Speaker 2: You know when you drafted him, you knew that was
Speaker 2: his game and that's why you like him. So I'm
Speaker 2: kind of pushing my chips back in on a leak. Willis,
Speaker 2: Are you moving him up or are you still well?
Speaker 2: They drafted will Levis, that's the guy they want.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it all right, So I think he's
Speaker 3: if something were to happen to Tannehill, if tanneh Hill
Speaker 3: were to get hurt in week two, yes, Willis is
Speaker 3: coming into the game. Let me ask you this, Bogs.
Speaker 3: Let's say the Titans are three and nine and they
Speaker 3: decide to run up the white flag on the rest
Speaker 3: of the season and sit Tannehill. Who do you think
Speaker 3: they're putting in Levis or Willis?
Speaker 2: I think you put in Willis because you probably want
Speaker 2: to trade him, and you let him go out there
Speaker 2: and audition for some teams that could potentially want him,
Speaker 2: and if he sucks, then you put in Levis and say, hey,
Speaker 2: it's your turn to turn around, show us something, because
Speaker 2: if you're that bad and you keep losing games once again,
Speaker 2: just like the Packers, if the Titans are up in
Speaker 2: that spot to take Caleb Williams or somebody high, they're
Speaker 2: definitely gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not sure what they would do,
Speaker 3: but obviously, yes, this does reinvigorate the Willis dynasty value.
Speaker 3: And you know, we had seen it kind of bottom
Speaker 3: out for a while, and we talked about how illogical
Speaker 3: that was when we knew that Willis was a project
Speaker 3: coming into the league based on his you know, coming
Speaker 3: from a smaller program and being somewhat raw and undeveloped
Speaker 3: at least as far as the passing skills. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's nice to see him sort of reinvigorate
Speaker 3: his dynasty value and just his NFL value in general,
Speaker 3: because everyone was crapping on him after the Josh Dobbs
Speaker 3: thing last year, which was sort of sad to see. Bugs.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Trey Lance because we never talk about
Speaker 3: trailers on this show, so he's obviously like at the
Speaker 3: top of my down list.
Speaker 1: You stole them from me.
Speaker 2: Too, Like I definitely was going to have Trey Lance
Speaker 2: on on the down list here, but you got them first.
Speaker 3: And it's just it's the weirdest thing in the world.
Speaker 3: Box because and I was talking about this with Chris
Speaker 3: Harris on his show yesterday we were talking a little
Speaker 3: dynasty and just how with most quarterbacks who fail to
Speaker 3: launch Zach Wilson, for instance, like you know all this
Speaker 3: like his value is there one moment and then it's gone,
Speaker 3: and it looks like the stock chart from uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the Dow Jones and the Great Crash. But like with
Speaker 3: Trey Lance, it's just been this slow, steady devaluation. And
Speaker 3: you know, the comparison I used was the stock chart
Speaker 3: for Radio Shack, where it's just been this slow descent
Speaker 3: into irrelevance.
Speaker 2: Basically, if you had to pick a date that it
Speaker 2: fell more, is it the date that he got hurt
Speaker 2: or like maybe that third game of brock Party where
Speaker 2: you just knew maybe they got something here with Party,
Speaker 2: which one hurt him more his own injury or Party
Speaker 2: being good the injury.
Speaker 3: Because I'm still not buying into Purty entirely. I mean,
Speaker 3: he picked on a string of bad defenses. We'll see
Speaker 3: about Purty. I mean maybe I have to come with,
Speaker 3: you know, an apology about like totally misjudging Party when
Speaker 3: he's an MVP candidate through week eight or something.
Speaker 2: But I'm still a whole NFL would have to you
Speaker 2: get in line on those letters. This is he still
Speaker 2: was mister irrelevant, So like you're not first or last
Speaker 2: on the people that overlook Brock Party.
Speaker 3: I do want to give Kyle Shanahan a shot of
Speaker 3: sodium pentathole and get an honest answer to what he
Speaker 3: thinks about Trey Lance, because it's just so strange that
Speaker 3: they would do what they did, move heaven and Earth
Speaker 3: to move up to the number three pick to get
Speaker 3: him and then just like not really give him his chance.
Speaker 3: You know, like he's had chances and then he got hurt.
Speaker 3: But you would think they would want to keep seeing
Speaker 3: more until they knew one way or the other. And
Speaker 3: maybe he is just terrible in pract although I don't,
Speaker 3: you know, get the impression from camp reports that he's
Speaker 3: just like a train wreck. But yeah, it's just we'll see.
Speaker 3: I still think there's a good chance he is starting
Speaker 3: for someone in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Is this the worst trade of all time?
Speaker 3: Oh? The forty nine ers trade to move up to
Speaker 3: number three? It has to be when you don't even
Speaker 3: give the guy a chance. I mean, like you could
Speaker 3: say it's it's the Bears moving up one spot to
Speaker 3: draft Mitch Trubisky. Ahead of Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: that was that was pretty bad too, But the Lance
Speaker 3: deal is definitely up there.
Speaker 2: It's bad, especially with some of those guys that went
Speaker 2: immediately after him and some of the guys the picks
Speaker 2: that were used to you know, where they could have
Speaker 2: taken the guy, they could have Mica Parsons and they
Speaker 2: took Trey Lance, you know what I mean. Like, there's
Speaker 2: so much of that going around. It's tough. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: the Niners haven't not had success because of Trey Lance,
Speaker 2: so you at least have that. But you know, overall
Speaker 2: on a vacuum might have been one of the worst
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Speaker 2: Let's get into some running backs that are moving up
Speaker 2: the list here, PITSI and I think we both have
Speaker 2: two moving up, So let's start with the positives and
Speaker 2: give me your two.
Speaker 3: First, Damian Pierce and James Cook. And with Pierce names, yeah,
Speaker 3: with Pierce, it's not only did the Texans not spend
Speaker 3: any significant draft capital on a running back, they signed
Speaker 3: Devin Singletary and people thought, oh, this is the guy
Speaker 3: Damian Pierce is going to split work with the Singletary
Speaker 3: looks like just a pure handcuff now based on the
Speaker 3: way the Texans have been handling those two, so apparently
Speaker 3: they do see Damian Pierce as like a featured guy
Speaker 3: in Singletary as more just the change of pace. Straight
Speaker 3: back up, guys, So that's really encouraging. I think we've
Speaker 3: agreed that we liked what we saw from Pierce in
Speaker 3: year one. Maybe he hit the wall a little bit after,
Speaker 3: you know, Dan maullen kind of used him in that
Speaker 3: weird platoon role at Florida, and really he hadn't gotten
Speaker 3: the sort of work he was getting with the Texans.
Speaker 3: Not surprised he ran out of gas at the end
Speaker 3: of the season, but still thumbs up for him. Clear
Speaker 3: runway for a year two left off, I think. And
Speaker 3: James Cook, it's just I think we knew he was
Speaker 3: going to be the primary third down back for Buffalo,
Speaker 3: but we didn't know what sort of percentage of early
Speaker 3: down work he was going to get. And now it
Speaker 3: looks like he's going to be the primary early down
Speaker 3: guy too, and not the sole early down guy. I
Speaker 3: think we know that we're going to see a good
Speaker 3: bit of either Damien Harris or Latavius Murray or both
Speaker 3: on early downs. But it just seems like James Cook
Speaker 3: is going to be on the field quite a bit
Speaker 3: for Buffalo this year. And you know, like in redraft,
Speaker 3: he's going in in RB two range now like low
Speaker 3: end RB two range, and I think like for Dynasty startups,
Speaker 3: he should probably be what around twenty twenty one or
Speaker 3: something like that, So yeah, the good trajectory for him.
Speaker 2: I believe James Cook moved up more than anybody else
Speaker 2: on my list, So once again, you stinne me by
Speaker 2: getting By getting your list up first, you got two
Speaker 2: players I definitely wanted. I wanted to put Trey Lance
Speaker 2: on there and James Cook on my list because for
Speaker 2: me coming into this season and you know, them adding
Speaker 2: Damien Harris to look like, okay, well, Damien Harris is
Speaker 2: just the replacement for Singletary who was a two hundred
Speaker 2: touch guy last year, right, And Damian Harris had that
Speaker 2: big game of Buffalo and the weather and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's like the Bills were watching that and saw,
Speaker 2: all right, this could be our guy in the future
Speaker 2: when he comes up.
Speaker 1: So I like that.
Speaker 2: But the thing that really started turning me on to
Speaker 2: James Cook was like his first interview in mini camp
Speaker 2: or training camp. I can't remember which one it was,
Speaker 2: but he said, obviously I'm the number one. I didn't
Speaker 2: really feel like it came from arrogance. I felt like
Speaker 2: that's a guy that's been made some promises, and it's
Speaker 2: pretty clear that he was right and he is going
Speaker 2: to be the you know three down back. I feel
Speaker 2: like to start in Harris or Murray. They're kind of
Speaker 2: closer than either one of them. Are two cook in
Speaker 2: terms of workload, it seems like from Buffalo, I'm not
Speaker 2: Damian Pierce. Look, I love Damian Pierce. I have him
Speaker 2: as an RB two. I'm a little bit lower than
Speaker 2: his ECR I believe right now it's seventeen, so I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit lower than that. Still in the RB
Speaker 2: two area, though I still hold out, like, let me
Speaker 2: see him get through a season healthy, because he came
Speaker 2: out with three hundred and seventy four touches in college
Speaker 2: somewhere in that neighborhood, and then he had like two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty touches last year and broke down, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I want to see him
Speaker 2: do it first before I really really buy into Peers.
Speaker 1: But in terms of skill, he's way ahead of Singletary.
Speaker 1: It's not close.
Speaker 2: So I do like Damian Pierce as well, the two
Speaker 2: guys that moved up my list the most. Then we'll
Speaker 2: get into some droppers at the throwing back position.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Isaiah Pacheco and Tank Bigsby were my big movers here.
Speaker 2: Now pa Checko, you know, look, I know he's been hurt,
Speaker 2: and I know that he has not been seen in
Speaker 2: any preseason games, and he hasn't even been practicing in
Speaker 2: pads yet at all, and he had offseason surgery, so
Speaker 2: that should probably lower him in a lot of people's eyes.
Speaker 2: But what I saw was, look, you resign McKinnon. You
Speaker 2: don't go out of your way to get someone else,
Speaker 2: a veteran that can come in and do something. So
Speaker 2: either the Chiefs really really trust Clyde Edwards Hilaire or
Speaker 2: generic Prince, which I don't think you can trust an
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent rookie or a guy that has been
Speaker 2: a bust so far. So I think they're babying Pacheco.
Speaker 2: I think they have been the whole offseason. They waited
Speaker 2: probably too long for him to have these surgeries.
Speaker 1: But he's good to go. He might play in the
Speaker 1: preseason game this week. I think he's going to be a.
Speaker 2: Huge part of that offense. And he only caught thirteen
Speaker 2: balls last year, and everything you hear in practice is
Speaker 2: he's catching everything. He's running all these different routes, He
Speaker 2: looks fast, and he's giving one hundred percent on every snap.
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs still love him. I think he's
Speaker 2: going to be a primary focus of that team. Even
Speaker 2: though he's been banged up and we haven't seen a
Speaker 2: lot of them, the reports have still all been positive.
Speaker 2: So I'm still in on Pacheco. Your thoughts on Pachecko?
Speaker 2: Should I move him up or are you kind of
Speaker 2: liking that I'm gonna leave him where I have him
Speaker 2: because he's been banged up?
Speaker 3: Is this the part of the show we edited out
Speaker 3: Bogs after the Chiefs trade for Jonathan Taylor in a
Speaker 3: few hours.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that amazing.
Speaker 2: Well Pachecko would go to the Cults in that deal,
Speaker 2: so I think you probably have to.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs could right the wrong that they committed a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, drafting Clyde Edwards Hilaire over Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 3: which I want.
Speaker 1: At in Miami pretty bad, that's my good. Yeah?
Speaker 3: See so, yeah, I mean I agree with you that
Speaker 3: the Chiefs did not go out and look at all
Speaker 3: the ample opportunity teams have had to sign. My god,
Speaker 3: these guys have been out on UH as free agents forever.
Speaker 3: Like Hunt or excuse me not Hunt. But Zeke finally
Speaker 3: came off the market, Dalvin Cook finally came off the market.
Speaker 3: But four, Netta and Hunter are still out there. I mean,
Speaker 3: these guys were out there forever, and the Chiefs just
Speaker 3: turn up their noses at these guys. So yes, I
Speaker 3: agree that it's encouraging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm big on put Checko.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll come back to bite me, but that's my
Speaker 2: guy right there. I'm very very excited about him. Before
Speaker 2: we move on to my next and I have two
Speaker 2: more running backs. I don't know why I thought I
Speaker 2: only had two. I have three running backs total here.
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Speaker 2: third running backs that I am moving up here, FITZI
Speaker 2: I mean Tank Bigsby is one, and I moved him up,
Speaker 2: but I'm still, you know, right around ECR and Roshan,
Speaker 2: who I love. I moved up and I'm still below
Speaker 2: ECR on him. They're ECRs right here, thirty six and
Speaker 2: forty nine. I'm just slightly ahead, or excuse me, thirty
Speaker 2: nine and thirty six. I'm just slightly ahead on Bigsby
Speaker 2: and slightly below on Roshan. But both these guys are
Speaker 2: you know. Tank went into a situation where there was
Speaker 2: no way he had a shot to win the number
Speaker 2: one job, and if Etn wasn't there and we knew
Speaker 2: what he had and he was already good. Tank would
Speaker 2: have run away with this job. I feel like if
Speaker 2: they were both drafted in the same class or something,
Speaker 2: because everything I read, from coach interviews to position coaches,
Speaker 2: to beat writers to fans, everybody loves Tank Bixby and
Speaker 2: I like him, But to me, he is a one
Speaker 2: two first second down thumper change a pace sky and
Speaker 2: Travis Etn is unbelievably skilled. So I think I probably
Speaker 2: wasn't high enough on Tank coming in, and he has
Speaker 2: kind of cleared the pathway here, and if anything happens
Speaker 2: to Etn, this would be a three down back for
Speaker 2: this team, So I think he definitely had to move
Speaker 2: up into that RB three territory For me, where are
Speaker 2: you at on Tank, FITZI.
Speaker 3: That's about it, similar to what you similar to the
Speaker 3: way you see in Bogs in that I didn't really
Speaker 3: think all that much of him and thought, you know,
Speaker 3: like he can force himself into some sort of role.
Speaker 3: Now it's clear he's going to force himself into some
Speaker 3: sort of role and could be a really valuable handcuff
Speaker 3: if anything happened to Etn, And it's possible. I mean
Speaker 3: this is more of a oh, I won't say more
Speaker 3: of a fifty to fifty because we're going to see
Speaker 3: some Jamichael Hasty two on passing downs. But like it,
Speaker 3: Bigsby has made me reevaluate the way I see Travis ETN.
Speaker 3: Like my view of ETN has definitely declined just because
Speaker 3: of Bigsby's presence. And you know, I have heard Mike Dempsey,
Speaker 3: you know, the serious XM Fantasy channel mainstay who also
Speaker 3: does Jaguars preseason games, and he had told me that
Speaker 3: he was backing off on ETN because of how Bigsby
Speaker 3: has been playing in Jaguars camp. So yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: talk to me about Rochean.
Speaker 2: Well, Rochan for me, like I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: was low on him. I felt like I was higher
Speaker 2: on him. Obviously I watched him more than most people
Speaker 2: do because I saw every single one of his college
Speaker 2: football games.
Speaker 1: I'm in Texas fan, so.
Speaker 2: But for me, it was Okay, you come into the
Speaker 2: situation where and I still think, you know, Khalil Herbert
Speaker 2: is the number one guy there, and it's not really
Speaker 2: a question. But Deontay Foreman, you know, I love Deontay Foreman.
Speaker 2: I also watched every single one of his games at Texas, right.
Speaker 2: I saw his fifty five carries against Kansas and a
Speaker 2: loss in the first game Texas lost to Kansas like
Speaker 2: eighty years, you know. But he was a thumper, but
Speaker 2: he tore his achilles and it took him really two
Speaker 2: years to return from that and become a good player again.
Speaker 2: And he kind of re solidified himself with Carolina last
Speaker 2: year and had a great season. He goes over to
Speaker 2: Chicago where there's a chance, and then they draft Rochan,
Speaker 2: and Rochean can be seen as maybe a special teamer
Speaker 2: because he gives one hundred and fifty percent every single snap,
Speaker 2: like you were getting all of Rochan every single play,
Speaker 2: which is why the Bears drafted him. But it's also
Speaker 2: made him move past form. And I don't know that
Speaker 2: Foreman has looked bad, but Rochan has looked awesome. He's
Speaker 2: looked ahead of his years in pass protection and he
Speaker 2: is definitely a closer. So I think you have your
Speaker 2: role set in Chicago and Rochean is definitely the two
Speaker 2: behind Herbert, and I think it might be a one
Speaker 2: A and one B by the end of the season
Speaker 2: because Herbert's great and He is definitely a thumper, but
Speaker 2: he he is not good in pass protection, and I
Speaker 2: think Rochan could take a lot of those third down
Speaker 2: snaps just because he's better in protection and he can
Speaker 2: catch the ball. Oneen't has to do a lot of
Speaker 2: that in Texas. That was more Bjeon's role. But Rochan
Speaker 2: is the guy here and he could easily after the
Speaker 2: season be the number one back for Chicago. So I
Speaker 2: do think you need to be invested. I think other
Speaker 2: people are still way more hot or way higher on Rochan,
Speaker 2: So my opinion has moved higher, but I can't even
Speaker 2: get him up to ecr here, which surprised me a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: So what's your take on Rochan here, FITZI, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I guess I'm not viewing him too differently than
Speaker 3: I was a few months ago. Boggs, I like him.
Speaker 3: I'm pro Rochean, but I thought it was going to
Speaker 3: be a messy three way committee and now maybe things
Speaker 3: are more clearly defined than I thought they were going
Speaker 3: to be with Herbert at the top. But yes, kind
Speaker 3: of unexpected. The Rochean does seem to have pushed his
Speaker 3: way past Foreman on the depth chart. At least it
Speaker 3: seems that way. So yeah, I guess I just didn't
Speaker 3: expect it to be so clear who was one, who
Speaker 3: was two, who was three? And you know, but he's
Speaker 3: still two. So I don't know how valuable he's going
Speaker 3: to be this year, but like I do like him
Speaker 3: for the future, Like I think he was a worthy
Speaker 3: you know, we were seeing Rochean go third round typically
Speaker 3: in super flex dynasty rookie drafts, and I think he
Speaker 3: was worth that price.
Speaker 2: So your running backs that are moving down a way
Speaker 2: more interesting than mind. So I'll just burn through mine
Speaker 2: pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: My losers this offseason are Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that's a shock to anybody. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a three year window guy. And so until Cook
Speaker 2: got cut, because it seemed like he was gonna get
Speaker 2: cut way earlier than he actually did. It seemed like
Speaker 2: maybe they had worked through some stuff and he was
Speaker 2: gonna stay. He was still a three hundred touch guy
Speaker 2: with Minnesota, and there was no reason to expect him
Speaker 2: not to do that. If should he have stayed, he
Speaker 2: obviously didn't even went to New York, where they have
Speaker 2: Breeze Hall and good depth at that position. So he
Speaker 2: was the farthest mover I think of anybody on my
Speaker 2: list after getting cut by the Vikings. Joe Mixon at
Speaker 2: the opposite end, seemed like he would get cut and
Speaker 2: then didn't had his off field stuff, so maybe there
Speaker 2: was still a chance for him to get cut. And
Speaker 2: then they said, well, we're not gonna cut him, but
Speaker 2: he has to restructure, and he did so he jumped
Speaker 2: through more hoops to stay on a good team in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: But I think the writing is kind of on the wall.
Speaker 2: This is it for Joe Mixon in SINCI, So you're
Speaker 2: getting what you can from him and then watching him
Speaker 2: right off into the sunset to be the backup somewhere
Speaker 2: next year. So you know, I thought, maybe let's maybe
Speaker 2: since he would restructure and extend, they didn't do any
Speaker 2: of that. He's obviously not in their plans beyond this season,
Speaker 2: and I think we'll see a decent amount of Chris
Speaker 2: Evans and Chase Brown as well, because Mixon is you know,
Speaker 2: he's he's aging. I feel like you can see it
Speaker 2: more with him than other guys, but boring ones fits.
Speaker 2: I mean, are you thinking the same with those guys?
Speaker 3: Nothing to add about Dalvin Cook. Yes, and it's funny
Speaker 3: Joe Mixon bogs. I think Joe Mixon should probably end
Speaker 3: up being one of the most frequently traded players in
Speaker 3: dynasty leagues over the next month and a half because
Speaker 3: he is clearly a win now guy. And if anyone
Speaker 3: who's in rebuild mode has Joe Nixon, Joe Mixon get
Speaker 3: rid of him for a second round pick next year,
Speaker 3: which I think is probably fair value. You're not going
Speaker 3: to get a first for him, but you should be
Speaker 3: able to get a second in next year is very
Speaker 3: strong rookie draft, and like Mixon does have one year
Speaker 3: where the outlook is really good, he's going to be
Speaker 3: the primary ball carrier for the Bengals, should be you know,
Speaker 3: twelve hundred plus yards from scrimmage. But then next year
Speaker 3: he is going to be in the same situation Dalvin
Speaker 3: Cook and Ezekiel Elliott and some of these other guys
Speaker 3: were this year, he's going to be looking for a
Speaker 3: job where he is going to be a committee guy somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the running back market is dried up.
Speaker 2: Teams aren't going out and signing even decent names. They
Speaker 2: would rather go with the cheaper option. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's just tough out there for an old man like
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon. Now, Mixing could end up in Philly. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe Swift doesn't work out and Gainwell gets hurt again
Speaker 2: and Rashan Penning's always hurt and they go, screw it,
Speaker 2: Let's just give someone a contract and they go with Mixing.
Speaker 2: That would be a good spot for him, but it's
Speaker 2: more likely he ends up, you know, with Vegas behind
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs or something, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: just a weird spot somewhere, like cook is behind Breesault.
Speaker 1: So who are you?
Speaker 2: You're running backs that are moving down or way more
Speaker 2: interesting than mind, So why don't you go through them here?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they're big names, but Ramondre Stevens and
Speaker 3: it's it's just simply the fact that I think there
Speaker 3: was some optimism that maybe he was just the one
Speaker 3: other Patriots running back besides Corey Dillon who they might
Speaker 3: view as an actual like Bell Cow lead guy. And no,
Speaker 3: it turns out not with Ezekiel Elliott. So that's it.
Speaker 3: With Stevenson, just the fact still a really good player.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm always a big fan of those big,
Speaker 3: sturdy guys with nimble feet, bogs and yeah, like it's
Speaker 3: not like he has lost all dynasty value, but he's
Speaker 3: just not going to be a Bell Coow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got that's kind of where I was
Speaker 2: with Ramondre going into the season. So I didn't move
Speaker 2: him too much, but you just knew, you look at
Speaker 2: Pierre Strong as not going in as the number two.
Speaker 2: They're going to bring in somebody, and they interviewed everyone.
Speaker 2: They tried James Robinson and ended up cutting him, like
Speaker 2: the writing was on the wall. So, yeah, Stevenson didn't
Speaker 2: move from me, but it's the same outlook that I
Speaker 2: had for him him and it ended up happening.
Speaker 1: Who's number two?
Speaker 3: And then JK. Dobbins bugs just like a weird you know,
Speaker 3: like I wanted to be optimistic. Well I don't know
Speaker 3: if I wanted to be because I actually wasn't as
Speaker 3: far as my rankings. But you know, like after he
Speaker 3: had the cleanup surgery last year, he came back and
Speaker 3: he was good. At the end of the regular season,
Speaker 3: he was good, But then he's back on Pop early
Speaker 3: in camp, like what's going on with that? Then he's
Speaker 3: also doing this weird like quasi holdout thing, like when
Speaker 3: he hasn't actually like held up over a full season
Speaker 3: and done anything for the Ravens, Like, what are you doing, dude?
Speaker 3: You have no leverage whatsoever? Like if if.
Speaker 2: Jonathande man he had some smack talking about the team
Speaker 2: after the playoff loss too, Like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: he may have a little bit of an attitude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if guys like Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor and
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler don't have any leverage, what makes you think
Speaker 3: you have any leverage a guy who actually, you know,
Speaker 3: has achieved a frack of what those dudes have. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and then just I don't know, like so yeah, just
Speaker 3: does not seem I don't know how he's going to
Speaker 3: fit into the Todd Munkin offense. It's just like he's
Speaker 3: not really a guy I want on any of my rosters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that could be a team definitely looking
Speaker 2: for a guy or a guy like Mitchell could make
Speaker 2: an impact because they put together a track team and
Speaker 2: he's super super fast. He's speedy, speedy, little running back
Speaker 2: a lot like Devin a Chain. So I would like
Speaker 2: to see that if that would work out there Before
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Speaker 2: that you deserve. All right, let's move over to the
Speaker 2: whiteouts here that are moving up and down. Fitzy, I
Speaker 2: only have one. I'll just go ahead and knock mine
Speaker 2: out here because you have a couple, and then we
Speaker 2: both have I have three guys that I am actually
Speaker 2: moving down. I found it hard to move guys lower
Speaker 2: on my wide receiver list or higher. I mean, because
Speaker 2: there's so much skill at this position. I find it
Speaker 2: to be deep. There's a lot of guys that are
Speaker 2: very low that I think could end up being very
Speaker 2: high at the end of the season. Obviously, a guy
Speaker 2: that we talked about in Jalen Hyatt, if he takes
Speaker 2: over a number one job, could definitely do that. But
Speaker 2: the guy that I think moved up the most on
Speaker 2: my list from putting this together was Jaden Reid, who
Speaker 2: you mentioned with the Packers. And you know, from the
Speaker 2: outside looking in, it's like, okay, well the number one
Speaker 2: job is up for grabs here in Green Bay, and
Speaker 2: I thought, that's definitely going to Christian Watson, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: potential superstar here for this kid. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: he has a couple issues with drops, but he is
Speaker 2: wide open. If he cleans that up, I mean, he
Speaker 2: is going to be a burner. I love watching Christian Watson.
Speaker 2: Dobbs is a downfield threat. I think that is most
Speaker 2: of his game. I wouldn't call him a one trick pony,
Speaker 2: but I would say he does that one trick better
Speaker 2: than any of his other tricks. So I think he's
Speaker 2: a deep shot guy. He's going to have boom and
Speaker 2: bust games. They're going to be annoying, you know. So
Speaker 2: you're looking for a possession guy, Well, it's going to
Speaker 2: be between Luke Muskrave, a guy that I love, and
Speaker 2: Jayden Reid, a guy that I liked coming out. But
Speaker 2: Reid has been so impressive he's going to be on
Speaker 2: the field so much. You also have Tucker Craft. I
Speaker 2: think that there is a decent chance that Jayden Reid
Speaker 2: becomes maybe not the number one target, but the guy
Speaker 2: who gets the most targets. Because he's working over the middle,
Speaker 2: he can kind of be a safety blanket to a
Speaker 2: young QB, a first year starter in Jordan Love. So
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of potential for Jadan Reid,
Speaker 2: and some of these other rookies have not been impressing.
Speaker 2: I'll mention one when we get there, And he's moved
Speaker 2: past a bunch of guys on my list. So even
Speaker 2: when I found it hard to move guys up or
Speaker 2: down on my list, I kind of found it easier
Speaker 2: to move them down.
Speaker 1: But Jayden Reeve is one of those big movers for me.
Speaker 2: So obviously I'm pushing my chips in for him and
Speaker 2: trying to get him at the end of you know,
Speaker 2: even read drafts, trying to get him at the end
Speaker 2: of there. He's going to come way higher in a
Speaker 2: rookie draft or a dynasty draft. But I'm kind of
Speaker 2: I'm more in on Jayden Reid now than I was
Speaker 2: two months ago.
Speaker 1: So your thoughts on.
Speaker 3: Red Day two draft capital He has been everything they
Speaker 3: hoped he would be. He is, unquestionably there's starting slot receiver.
Speaker 3: And while maybe he comes off the field in two
Speaker 3: receiver sets at least early on, it's still gonna be
Speaker 3: seventy percent three wide receiver sets at least I would
Speaker 3: think for the Packers. So he's gonna be on the
Speaker 3: field a lot. I do think he has a chance
Speaker 3: to make a pretty significant impact now. And yeah, he
Speaker 3: looks like a really good asset to have on your
Speaker 3: dynasty team going forward.
Speaker 2: Begrudgingly, you have one of my favorite guys on here. Again,
Speaker 2: getting to the list first gets you access. But who
Speaker 2: are your two wide receivers that have moved up the
Speaker 2: most for you?
Speaker 3: Do I have to oh, yeah, I do have two
Speaker 3: d Flowers and sky Moore Bogs and day Flowers. We
Speaker 3: also talked about him. I mean, I think he has
Speaker 3: a chance to be the Ravens best receiver from the jump.
Speaker 3: He is generating incredible buzz in training camp. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 3: is nicknamed in joy Stick. We saw him have a
Speaker 3: touchdown on a sweet little catch.
Speaker 1: And on Monday night, O, my god.
Speaker 3: He's he's so good after the catch box and he's
Speaker 3: like like he's just really quick and hard to cover,
Speaker 3: and he's like Johan Dotson and that he punches well
Speaker 3: above his weight and contested catches. This guy's gonna be
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. Like I'm excited about him. And now,
Speaker 3: like there's no question if I were redoing and some
Speaker 3: people are doing their rookie drafts now this time of year,
Speaker 3: there's no question I'd take him ahead of Quentin Johnson,
Speaker 3: and I think I take I take him ahead of
Speaker 3: Addison too, because Addison, like the thing that scared me
Speaker 3: about Addison where his testing numbers kind of sucked, but
Speaker 3: like the production was there and at Pittsburgh he was
Speaker 3: an absolute monster.
Speaker 2: But now, like I'm talking about Filmikoff Award winner for
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah.
Speaker 3: But like It wasn't like the film on Day was
Speaker 3: bad either.
Speaker 2: No, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: But like I I had decided on you know, the
Speaker 3: way I wound up ordering it was like I'd added
Speaker 3: ahead of Johnston and Flowers, and I was kind of
Speaker 3: like splitting the difference on Flowers, and like, I think
Speaker 3: I took Quenton over Flowers in one draft, Flowers over
Speaker 3: Quenton in one rookie draft. Now I would order it Flowers,
Speaker 3: Addison Quenton.
Speaker 2: Well, I have three guys moving down, and Quenton is
Speaker 2: one of those guys, So I'll just go ahead and
Speaker 2: get him out of the way here because we're talking
Speaker 2: about him here. And look, guy keeps dropping the ball.
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are healthy. Eckler's still possible
Speaker 2: to lead that team in targets. Everett didn't get cut
Speaker 2: who we all thought he would. Josh Palmer also looks
Speaker 2: really good in camp. So like Quentin Johnson is definitely
Speaker 2: I have three white outs that are moving down my list,
Speaker 2: he is definitely one of them. So in Zay Flowers,
Speaker 2: I mean, so you take Zay Flowers over Sean Bateman,
Speaker 2: then you would say, huh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, in Dynasty for sure, anything ever redraft right now,
Speaker 3: mm hmm, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So that was I know, I got a lot of
Speaker 2: flak on my Bateman hate here, which I don't even
Speaker 2: hate Bateman. I just don't like to see situation for him.
Speaker 2: Get him out of Baltimore, and I think I like
Speaker 2: him way more. But sky Moore also, I mean, Za
Speaker 2: Flowers was my guy. You know, obviously I liked him
Speaker 2: coming out of Boston College. It's one of those guys.
Speaker 2: I love it when a guy ag Dillon did this
Speaker 2: at the same college too. I love it when everyone
Speaker 2: on the defense knows where the ball is going, it
Speaker 2: still goes to that guy and he still has a
Speaker 2: great game. That was a lot of what my love
Speaker 2: for Kenneth Walker as well is. You know, everybody in
Speaker 2: the stadium knows Kenneth Walker's getting the ball and they
Speaker 2: still can't stop him.
Speaker 1: And that was Zay Flowers for Boston College.
Speaker 2: But your second wide receiver, who I not big grudgingly
Speaker 2: because I do like this guy, but I've had so
Speaker 2: many bets with Debro against him that I have to
Speaker 2: admit this guy moved up my board as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's sky Moore has been running with the
Speaker 3: Chiefs first team throughout training camp, and it seems like
Speaker 3: he is even though like Rashi Rice and Justin Ross
Speaker 3: have generated a lot of positive buzz, like Sky is
Speaker 3: the one who is clearly going to be on the
Speaker 3: field two receiver sets, like there's no question about that.
Speaker 3: And you know, something Matt Harmon of Yahoo said the
Speaker 3: other day made a lot of sense. He noted that
Speaker 3: while we have kind of thought of Sky as being
Speaker 3: a slot receiver, last year, he actually lined up outside
Speaker 3: about half the time and in the slot about forty
Speaker 3: two percent of the time, and then like in the
Speaker 3: backfield eight percent of the time. So he was really
Speaker 3: playing multiple wide receiver positions for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Trying to find something for him last.
Speaker 3: Year, Yeah, or they just wanted him to learn and
Speaker 3: be versatile bogs And like I can imagine for a
Speaker 3: guy coming out of the MAC Conference, his head was
Speaker 3: probably swimming with all of that. But maybe while it
Speaker 3: prevented him from grasping everything and firing as a rookie,
Speaker 3: maybe that's going to help him in the long run
Speaker 3: because now he's got versatility, he knows how to play
Speaker 3: these different positions. If he has to, he can line
Speaker 3: up outside in the slot wherever. Yeah, so I'm I
Speaker 3: do buy Uh you know, even though in this era
Speaker 3: we've gotten used to seeing rookie wide receivers pop in
Speaker 3: year one, it didn't happen for Sky, So you know
Speaker 3: we're wondering like, oh, did we just misread this guy.
Speaker 3: Maybe not, there's a plausible reason why he didn't pop
Speaker 3: last year and why he might pop in your.
Speaker 2: Two post hype sleeper. Yes, sir, right, that's what we
Speaker 2: love to see. Uh yeah, I mean Sky Moore is fantastic,
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna hease this the slot role.
Speaker 1: And look, you have his counterpart.
Speaker 2: As part of your wide receivers that are moving down
Speaker 2: the list. So talk a little bit about Kadarius Tony move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's the only receiver on my down list
Speaker 3: box and how can you not put him there? Man?
Speaker 3: And I was I was even ready, as you know,
Speaker 3: to buy back into this guy. And just like that,
Speaker 3: I keep bringing up the stat about how he's been
Speaker 3: targeted on seventeen point three percent of all his snaps
Speaker 3: in the NFL so far, and justin Jefferson was only
Speaker 3: targeted on seventeen point one last year and led the
Speaker 3: NFL on targets. But then Kadarius Tony, who has already
Speaker 3: injured every body part possible in the first two years,
Speaker 3: on the very first day of training camp, goes and
Speaker 3: hurts his knee and has to get like this meniscus
Speaker 3: tramp and it's like, dude, And and that was part
Speaker 3: of the thing, Bogs. We wanted to see him in
Speaker 3: get a full training camp in with the mad scientist
Speaker 3: Andy Reid cooking up ways to use him and get
Speaker 3: him on the same you know, get him in sync
Speaker 3: with Patrick Mahomes, and he loses all of training camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now like I just I'm out, man, I just
Speaker 3: like I can't do this with I've still got him
Speaker 3: on enough Dynasty teams, like I've been collecting shares that's gonna.
Speaker 1: Like still in yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: It's gonna take me like four years to divest myself, Bogs.
Speaker 3: But so I'm still gonna have shares, but like I'm
Speaker 3: not acquiring anymore at this point.
Speaker 2: Well you know what, the yeah, you won't have him
Speaker 2: for four years on any of those teams, or you'll
Speaker 2: have him on all those teams, Like it's gonna be
Speaker 2: one or the other for him for sure. My guys
Speaker 2: that are moving down are guys that I was extremely
Speaker 2: high on coming into the NFL. And I still like
Speaker 2: these guys I feel like more than most people do.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the second guy, Well, well let's just start
Speaker 2: with him, because it's kind of the same deal as
Speaker 2: Kadarius Tony. For me, it's Traylon Burks, who I still
Speaker 2: really like the skill set, but we know the offense
Speaker 2: is all Derek Henry first, and that's probably I would
Speaker 2: assume under Vrabel as long as he's in Tennessee, you're
Speaker 2: probably gonna see a run first offense. He's a defensive guy.
Speaker 2: He played under Belichick forever you know who. They are
Speaker 2: always a run first team, so I think he's going
Speaker 2: to stick to that. So Burke's, you know, also being
Speaker 2: pushed to the number two spot behind Hopkins and now
Speaker 2: getting hurt again. I mean he was hurt. He came
Speaker 2: into camp out of shape last year. Then he was
Speaker 2: hurt the entire season pretty much or playing GIMPI or
Speaker 2: question or whatever. And now you get him in camp,
Speaker 2: he starts to look good, he hears some positive vibe
Speaker 2: about him, and now he's hurt again. Is this just
Speaker 2: a dude that is going to be constantly kind of injured,
Speaker 2: like Mike Williams, you know what I mean, like Corey
Speaker 2: Davis was before he unexpectedly retired at twenty eight or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, Like, is he going to be one of
Speaker 2: those guys that's just constantly banged up and you see flashes,
Speaker 2: but you never see him do it. So that's a
Speaker 2: guy that has moved down my list. And the other guy,
Speaker 2: I know, you'll be really surprised, maybe to hear everyone
Speaker 2: should be surprised, is Jamison Williams, who now, look, it's
Speaker 2: not surprised that I moved him down because I was
Speaker 2: higher than anyone else in the world. I feel like
Speaker 2: on Jamison Williams coming in, but and the suspension doesn't
Speaker 2: bother me at all. I do not care about the suspension,
Speaker 2: Like you know, I think that's a young man making
Speaker 2: a dumb mistake. And we've all been there, so I'm
Speaker 2: not going to knock him for that. It sucks at
Speaker 2: six games, but you know, hurt coming into the NFL
Speaker 2: didn't look quite one hundred percent last year. Maybe they,
Speaker 2: you know, moved him up a little bit too fast,
Speaker 2: and now he's hurt again and going to misrest of
Speaker 2: the preseason. You know, the old scouting trope, availability is
Speaker 2: the best ability, and Jamison just doesn't have it. So
Speaker 2: your thoughts on Jamison Williams here, Fitzie, I.
Speaker 3: Am a little worried that he is maybe gonna be
Speaker 3: a chronically injured guy, Bogs. That's starting to maybe feel
Speaker 3: like that. Plus, like I do worry a little bit
Speaker 3: about the gambling thing. You might be kind of a knucklehead.
Speaker 3: And we've he's not the like we've seen him in interviews.
Speaker 3: He's not exactly like the warmest, fuzziest dude either. Like
Speaker 3: he's a little edgy. He's got an edge. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: like you know, edgy and injury prone is not a
Speaker 3: good combination. I don't know, just yeah, and just quick
Speaker 3: reactions on the other two. Quinton, like we talked about
Speaker 3: it with Matt Waldman last year. How he Waldman was
Speaker 3: like really worried about Quinton's catching technique and maybe we're
Speaker 3: seeing why now.
Speaker 1: So yes, yeah, he drops generally, don't bother me.
Speaker 2: I'll say that that because Deontay drops the ball million times,
Speaker 2: you know, and there's wide receivers that dropped the ball
Speaker 2: more than Deontay too, which is like every time he
Speaker 2: drops it, it's in a critical situation on nationally televice
Speaker 2: game like that is when Deontay loves to drop the
Speaker 2: ball the most, but uh, in this scenario, it does
Speaker 2: because it is affecting where he is on the depth chart.
Speaker 2: You know, if if a great wide receiver drops the ball,
Speaker 2: nobody cares. He's going to be back on the field
Speaker 2: the next play. If you drop the ball in your
Speaker 2: third and there's Josh Palmer sitting right behind you, and
Speaker 2: you have four other options that catch the ball better
Speaker 2: than you, Hub's not going to go back to you.
Speaker 2: Better catch that ball. So that that is what has bothered.
Speaker 3: Me about and trailing Berg's Like the injuries are you know,
Speaker 3: the accumulating injuries are a concern for sure, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, I'm not being in shape and a hard ass
Speaker 2: coach like fray Ball is just yeah, you don't get
Speaker 2: any leeway with him.
Speaker 3: I'm more concerned about the injuries than what Hopkins is
Speaker 3: going to do to him. Because I was worried and
Speaker 3: Thorne Eistraman and I have talked about this, how we
Speaker 3: we worried that maybe Burks would have been miscast as
Speaker 3: like this alpha receiver, this go to guy, Like, that's
Speaker 3: not really what he's about. It's like kind of use
Speaker 3: him the way he was used at Arkansas scheme. Touches
Speaker 3: to him close to the line of scrimmage and let
Speaker 3: him like deboing havoc with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah he is he is Deebo.
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, he could be that, but you have to
Speaker 2: be on the field to be Deebo Like. So we
Speaker 2: have one more dropper here. It's the only tight end
Speaker 2: that we have. And this is your guys, tell me
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Greg Dolsic and this one kind of it's weird
Speaker 3: bugs because like we last year after he was hurt
Speaker 3: and basically missed all of training camp or most of
Speaker 3: training camp, nearly all of training camp, and but then
Speaker 3: he comes in a few weeks into the season and
Speaker 3: was like good right away and like a factor. And
Speaker 3: that spoke really well of a guy who has a
Speaker 3: rookie basically missed his entire training camp and still came
Speaker 3: in and made an impact right away. So everyone thought
Speaker 3: it was going to be a positive Trajet year two.
Speaker 3: And then Sean Payton brings in Adam Troutman and Adam
Speaker 3: Troutman is now playing ahead of Greg Dulcage, so it
Speaker 3: looks like Dlsin is gonna be a part time tight end,
Speaker 3: which is not all we want to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2: And I was always a little worried, like when when
Speaker 2: Peyton brought in Adam Troutman, It's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe we should be worried about some wide receivers because
Speaker 2: he brought in Marcuz Callaway too. It's like this this
Speaker 2: hard headed. You know, these are my guys and they
Speaker 2: will have a role. So yeah, I mean I worry
Speaker 2: about him as well. So, uh, that is it for
Speaker 2: us on this week's show. Next week you just mentioned Thor,
Speaker 2: We're gonna have Thor on the show to take a
Speaker 2: look at the upcoming draft. This is the last show
Speaker 2: of the season for us because we we go on
Speaker 2: hiatus during the regular season, so one more show to go, FITZI.
Speaker 2: So I'm yeah sad, but yeah, it's gonna be It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a really fun one to go out on
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: Definitely people are going to want to listen to that
Speaker 3: one because next year's class it is looking like a
Speaker 3: bumper crop and thor is gonna have some.
Speaker 2: Thoughts, so absolutely it's gonna be a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: so look forward to that. Remember you can follow us
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