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Speaker 2: any further ado, today's guest is none other than Damian Porter,
Speaker 2: former SAS Special Air Service I believe out of New Zealand.
Speaker 2: He's gonna correct me, and I'm going to guess he's
Speaker 2: D Squadron, but I'm not gonna say twenty two. What
Speaker 2: are you welcome?
Speaker 3: Hey man, Red, thank you so much here, dude, New Zealand.
Speaker 3: So yes, at the time, it was first New Zealand
Speaker 3: Special Ada Service Group. I was a commando and Dace
Speaker 3: Gordon at the time. Actually unit was formed in two
Speaker 3: thousand and five. It was cool to town count a
Speaker 3: Terrorists Technical Assault Group, and then it moved on to
Speaker 3: being renamed as commandos. And we can talk about the
Speaker 3: distinction there between SAS Spash Green Roll operators and commando operators,
Speaker 3: two different sort of things. Now D Squadron and yeah, man,
Speaker 3: all the way from New Zealand, and you know, our
Speaker 3: heritage literally goes back with two two, back to their
Speaker 3: random embassy siege and all the black role stuff. My
Speaker 3: role was.
Speaker 2: Just just like with the no Gloves right, No gloves right?
Speaker 2: Is that the no gloves right? The Iran siege and
Speaker 2: the no Gloves right? What's his name? Hold on? I
Speaker 2: know it. I try to get him on the show.
Speaker 2: But I do have a friend from twenty two, but
Speaker 2: he's out of England. Is that as you guys work together?
Speaker 2: If you guys were twenty did you know Phil Campion?
Speaker 3: So I've been trying to get Phill on the show.
Speaker 3: Nice guy, Oh, no kid, Yeah, straight up. He's got
Speaker 3: such an amazing story. So New Zealand, Australia and British
Speaker 3: especially a service you know literally what Delta was based on.
Speaker 3: On Towo too. We all collaborate. We had a guy
Speaker 3: from two to come over and some training sides with
Speaker 3: us for about two or three months, and he went
Speaker 3: on to the A squad and at the time the
Speaker 3: badjesas operators. Yeah, it's great to collaborate. The things he
Speaker 3: told me, I can't tell him. There's still there's still
Speaker 3: a secret for the listeners will call it confidential, but
Speaker 3: the classic that actual briefing was secret. But the things
Speaker 3: he told us about how you take done jumbo jets,
Speaker 3: which I don't even know if they're inn operation anymore.
Speaker 3: Was brilliant those guys, the leaders in hostage rescue.
Speaker 2: Absolutely phenomenal counter terrorist hostage rescue going after it. Oh
Speaker 2: man boy, yeah says right, just that right there, that
Speaker 2: special Air Service. And not only that, it's not just
Speaker 2: like in the UK and in England, it's in New
Speaker 2: Zealand and Australia. They're commonwealths right exactly.
Speaker 3: You know where we still call ourselves the Queen's Killers
Speaker 3: now as the King's Killers. And I've been out for
Speaker 3: a long time. If I left the unit in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, but you know, I was just reading.
Speaker 3: I was reading a book, Eric Miari's sent me a
Speaker 3: Killer Elite and it's the only book written on his unit.
Speaker 3: And the prefaces on the Delta. In the raining Tehran
Speaker 3: hostage rescue debacle, Charlie Beckworth went to TO two on
Speaker 3: exchange and then come back from that created Delta Force
Speaker 3: concurrently sas a two to sas officer and sergeant went
Speaker 3: to America and they schooled those guys in hostage rescue
Speaker 3: and they are the world leaders that they're phenomenal, and
Speaker 3: you know, we the poor cousins, but we do the
Speaker 3: best recount what we got. Where we are in New
Speaker 3: Zealand is well known for making doing making things pretty good.
Speaker 2: What colors your beret? What color do you wear?
Speaker 3: Is it to So we were the Sandy barre or
Speaker 3: tan if you'd call it in America Sandy biret. My
Speaker 3: my squadron unit was formed, not the unit. So the
Speaker 3: squadron was formed in two thousand and five and we
Speaker 3: were a Trinity badge or gently made by my good
Speaker 3: friend Handsome Rob.
Speaker 2: He invented that. It's the silver ferns.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing the all black silver fern now, but two
Speaker 3: silver ferns and that's got the commando dagger and also
Speaker 3: a crossed tai Hars which are a Maldi indigenous population
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, a Maldi wooden spear. And it's called
Speaker 3: the tri Service emblem because it's Air Force, Navy Army,
Speaker 3: which of course we recruit from in New Zealand, especially
Speaker 3: a service, and we had to had to make a badge.
Speaker 3: We resort of invented ourselves as we were formed in
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. Our squadron was formed red because
Speaker 3: around that time all the top operators in the world
Speaker 3: as well as New Zealand SS were leaving and going
Speaker 3: and making all the gold in Iraq. They're making all
Speaker 3: the money private contracting that man went down so much
Speaker 3: they started to lose enough people to man the team
Speaker 3: and those people that are military minded. For software here,
Speaker 3: you've got to have a certain amount of number on
Speaker 3: the team for account of terrace and hostage rescue role.
Speaker 3: They had to form us and they trained us on
Speaker 3: black role only. We did that. So with the guys
Speaker 3: in Blake coming the helicopter's blowing the charges on the
Speaker 3: door and doing their.
Speaker 2: Job, the guy's in black. Yeah. There's a video game
Speaker 2: specifically my friend Matt Hellier, he's also former SAS out
Speaker 2: of England. Matt Hellier. I sitting there having lunch with
Speaker 2: him in England one day and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: my favorite character in the video game counter Strike is
Speaker 2: the counter terrorist in the full SAS load out with
Speaker 2: the gas mask and the n P five And he's
Speaker 2: like he sits down, We're sitting there having something to
Speaker 2: eat and he scrolls on his phone. He's like like
Speaker 2: this and he shows me this picture and it's him.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you're my favorite. Oh that's my favorite,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's really cool to know that you
Speaker 2: guys are the guys, the good guys in black are
Speaker 2: coming in. I'm glad you're on my side.
Speaker 3: Dude, I got to tell you, Okay, quick story. My
Speaker 3: boy here, I got a old boy he was playing out.
Speaker 3: He got the NERF guns out. He loaded them all
Speaker 3: up the other day. And the rule is you's got
Speaker 3: to wear goggles. He's got NERF goggles. And he said,
Speaker 3: I said, do you want a battle? He goes, oh,
Speaker 3: you go giving up NERF goggles. So I went and
Speaker 3: got my s mask. We're playing new fedtles through the house.
Speaker 3: That's like what we do here. We do airsoft war
Speaker 3: games of the same sort. We have these airsoft replica
Speaker 3: guns that shoot plastic Bbie projectiles on semi or full auto.
Speaker 3: Everything you can think of, MP five, P five k,
Speaker 3: MP five A five, everything railed out, any HK M four,
Speaker 3: M sixteen. They all make that replica of it, right,
Speaker 3: and that's something very cool. There's very many loadouts that
Speaker 3: are based off of sas. There's British DPM that has
Speaker 3: been you know, the load out of airsofters.
Speaker 2: Worldwide, right, worldwide. People want to look like SAS. Why
Speaker 2: because you're bad ass? Bro?
Speaker 3: They started it. Man. You know, I'm literally I got
Speaker 3: out a car from school drop off and I'm listening
Speaker 3: to an audio book and it's by Damien Lewis, a
Speaker 3: very famous author for special forces, specially British special Forces
Speaker 3: called Rogue. Forgotten the exact name, but it's the book
Speaker 3: that the series Rogue Heroes is based on. And it's
Speaker 3: the start of special Forces in this modern world. And
Speaker 3: there was the start of the British SAS and the
Speaker 3: Long Range Desert Group. Yeah, you've got to look at
Speaker 3: the history.
Speaker 2: The rats, desert Rats, maybe the desert Rat.
Speaker 3: His name, the desert Rat was a nickname for Petty
Speaker 3: Maine for one one operator Petty Maine. Now Petty is
Speaker 3: a slang nickname for an irishman, but his name is blear. Petty.
Speaker 3: Wayne went on to become a captain or posse major eventually,
Speaker 3: but he was one of the originators of the s
Speaker 3: S and he was called the Desert Rat, and that's
Speaker 3: where the Desert Rats sort of nickname came from.
Speaker 2: Off of his branches. He's he's the culprit of the
Speaker 2: desert Rat, exactly right. I love that. I love it.
Speaker 2: We'll give him a shout out here and handsome rob.
Speaker 2: Of course we're creating an awesome you know flash for
Speaker 2: your ball. Yeah, which is different than the big fills.
Speaker 2: I think Big Phil has like wings with an arrow yep,
Speaker 2: so not like.
Speaker 3: A the wing the winged dagger, and that was what
Speaker 3: David Stirling, the creative the British SS invented. He he wrote,
Speaker 3: he drew that up and that's yeah, it's a different badge.
Speaker 3: So that's our parent unit was New Zealand ESAs Group
Speaker 3: which has the wing to dag it and both British
Speaker 3: and New Zealand have the same coloring. Australian SAS has
Speaker 3: a gold one. There's some reasoning behind that. I won't
Speaker 3: go into that too much in case I make a mistake.
Speaker 3: But because we weren't SAS operators which are the full
Speaker 3: long range reconnaissance DAS, directection missions all those things. Because
Speaker 3: we only did that specialized role, we had our own
Speaker 3: role and we had our own own badge that we
Speaker 3: all operators from.
Speaker 2: The weird that. Now. Now you said you got out
Speaker 2: of the military right quote unquote in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: but you still look like you got some guns on
Speaker 2: your arms there and if I didn't mention it before,
Speaker 2: you're the how not to Die guy? Okay, so you
Speaker 2: know it's Demian Porter, the How not to Die guy
Speaker 2: seems to still be alive with advice on how not
Speaker 2: to die. So we sh listen to him because he's
Speaker 2: done probably a lot of fast ropes, a lot of
Speaker 2: fast missions, a lot of things where he could have
Speaker 2: tripped and fell, let alone get shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really named it, man, you knowed it? And gosh, gosh,
Speaker 3: read you've just reminded me. I was over here in
Speaker 3: Perth in two thousand and eighteen. I read that one
Speaker 3: of our operators, coming out of a duel mission with
Speaker 3: US Special Forces, fast rapping onto our simulation building. He
Speaker 3: fell off the top three stories up and died. Like see,
Speaker 3: that's this is a dangerous world. Now, I'll digress slightly.
Speaker 3: For most people in the world, driving their car is
Speaker 3: the most dangerous thing they will ever do. And I
Speaker 3: don't say that lightly. It is a dangerous thing. As
Speaker 3: a firefighter. I'm a firefighter now, I go to a
Speaker 3: lot of crashes, but that's probably the most dangerous thing
Speaker 3: you ever do. I interviewed Greg pup Johnson, a New
Speaker 3: Zealand sas operator worked along, worked in the same unit
Speaker 3: with him, and everything we do, every choice we make
Speaker 3: day to day training is life or death. Do I
Speaker 3: pull the trigger?
Speaker 2: Yes? No?
Speaker 3: Do I hang on to this a certain way. It's
Speaker 3: all life and death questions and answers that you ask
Speaker 3: of yourself. And I went on to become how not
Speaker 3: a diegode because, like GBRS group says, I love doing
Speaker 3: that knowledge transfer. I love passing on my knowledge and experience,
Speaker 3: my special forces and policing which I went into to
Speaker 3: allow other people to not go through that. You know,
Speaker 3: if I can teach a housewife to lock her car
Speaker 3: door and look around a little bit when she's parked
Speaker 3: at a red light and she doesn't get carjacked, brilliant.
Speaker 3: I don't want her to have to go hands on
Speaker 3: and chop throats and garge eys. I want people not
Speaker 3: to get hurt from using my knowledge and experience and
Speaker 3: helping them out. And so many of us out there
Speaker 3: are doing that. I think paying it forward, and it's
Speaker 3: something that we should do.
Speaker 2: No it is, and it's driving is dangerous here in
Speaker 2: Utah on our freeway system here, people going eighty five
Speaker 2: miles an hour. The kilometers escape me. It's probably like
Speaker 2: up to two hundred kilometers, right, it's super one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty kilometers. You know it's up. They're just swerving
Speaker 2: it out. And then you got the guys on the
Speaker 2: bullet bikes. And I know everybody loves the motorcycle. Are good, fast,
Speaker 2: crotch rocket, But where's your helmet? You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: what do you think? And you know you did you
Speaker 2: read the man?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you drove it? Did you get the license
Speaker 2: before you bought it? Did you just get on it
Speaker 2: out of pure adrenaline and excitement? And you know now
Speaker 2: you're nineteen years old and you're just driving it so fast.
Speaker 3: Now it's their bullets. You know they're dangerous things, and gosh,
Speaker 3: you've got to be clever. I mean, I love what
Speaker 3: Pet Max is, Pet McNamara a delta force, going to
Speaker 3: earn a friend? Now, you know you're the be your
Speaker 3: own executive prediction and then be executive protection for the
Speaker 3: people in your car. You know that driving is a
Speaker 3: responsibility for me. Locking the hat of a night is
Speaker 3: a responsibility for me for the people I love, and
Speaker 3: that I take care of and even more importantly for yourself.
Speaker 3: But a lot of us really don't look after ourselves,
Speaker 3: which I try and give that nice information in what
Speaker 3: I do you know, lock your door, here's how to
Speaker 3: use your phone, here's how to look around all these
Speaker 3: little safe, simple things that are not scary, and to
Speaker 3: look after yourself, a little situational awareness of our own selves.
Speaker 2: You know, protecting ourselves helps protect those around us. Right,
Speaker 2: so absolutely out of it. Now, let me ask you
Speaker 2: some Okay, let's say you got somebody who knows some
Speaker 2: skills and they are just writing home on a subway,
Speaker 2: and somebody's on that subway and that person knows his
Speaker 2: skill set and he probably shouldn't even get involved in anything, right,
Speaker 2: just keep to himself. But somebody gets involved and maybe
Speaker 2: goes into like a real naked chokehol oh wow that
Speaker 2: they were taught and then yeah, yeah, so this this
Speaker 2: is kind of like a story that happened here in
Speaker 2: New York recently where former military person who had skills,
Speaker 2: some dude somebody who was freaking out on the train
Speaker 2: want somebody eat and screaming and bantering. When do you
Speaker 2: not get involved? When do you get involved? What's your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I've always been tight. Just get off the ax. You know,
Speaker 2: if there's a situation, can you get away from it?
Speaker 3: Yep. I did a video on this because of the Oh. Actually,
Speaker 3: I'm writing the article for Softwap off the back of
Speaker 3: the video for the Auckland active shooter last week, and
Speaker 3: I was stunned at there. So look, and I said
Speaker 3: a joke in that video black him. A joke. There's
Speaker 3: a famous story about two guys in the African savannah
Speaker 3: and then a line pops out and he starts running
Speaker 3: them down. And the first guy reaches down and starts
Speaker 3: to tire his running shoes up really tight, and the
Speaker 3: other guy looks down at him says, what are you doing.
Speaker 3: You can't outrun that tiger. And the guy I said
Speaker 3: the line, and the guy says, mate, I don't have
Speaker 3: to run the line, I just have to outrun you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, yes, you should get off the X. You
Speaker 3: should just run out of building. You should just get
Speaker 3: away from that guy in the subway that the guy's
Speaker 3: freaking out and mentally ill and or on drugs. That's
Speaker 3: protecting yourself. Yes, however, and this is the issue rad
Speaker 3: anybody that's been in the military of any kind. We
Speaker 3: were brainwashed to turn towards danger and not to run away.
Speaker 3: And I say brainwashed, and I use it in an
Speaker 3: aggressive way. I suggest, because that's so different than everybody else.
Speaker 3: Anybody else will run away, turn their back. We turned
Speaker 3: towards danger. So we have trained in US and some
Speaker 3: people had it before they went into the military. We
Speaker 3: have an obligation to help others. The sergeant major the
Speaker 3: Army of the New Zealand Army, sorry, I'm Widim Moffatt,
Speaker 3: who I interviewed, and it was actually my assault sergeant
Speaker 3: in New Zealand sees his job is to help others.
Speaker 3: It's a quote from him and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: I thought, that's such a great thing to say the
Speaker 3: top soldier in the army. So going back to your
Speaker 3: executive example, do we get off the X year. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: if you can live with that afterwards. If you've got
Speaker 3: some skills and you walk away, sure thing. However, when
Speaker 3: you do decide to use those skills, you have to
Speaker 3: be able to upgrade and downgrade. So he may be
Speaker 3: choking him and then he pulls out a knife and
Speaker 3: you may break his neck. That's upgrading you may be
Speaker 3: choking him and he's compliant, and you may actually roll
Speaker 3: him over into it something else. I don't know these things.
Speaker 3: I'm not a jiu jitsu guy. I'm a close combat guy. Teach.
Speaker 3: I teach World War two combatives modernized. But you may
Speaker 3: have to upgrade and downgrade these things. And this is
Speaker 3: the issue that marine I believe he was. He held
Speaker 3: him for about ten minutes. He wasn't choking him, held
Speaker 3: him for a long time. He had him in took
Speaker 3: control and restraint, perhaps like a police officer did. Because
Speaker 3: a New Zealand soldier's role is to kill or capture
Speaker 3: the enemy, that's their role. A police officer's job is
Speaker 3: to protect life and property. That's a West Australian police officer.
Speaker 3: I can't even speak from my experience that sounds right.
Speaker 3: When we're in a situation as police, you're either going
Speaker 3: to protect yourself so self defense, protect others, or you're
Speaker 3: just trying to put the guy in cuffs, which is
Speaker 3: not trying to kill them. So you've got to be
Speaker 3: able to upgrade and downgrade what you're doing depending on
Speaker 3: the situation. And unfortunately read those situations change like that.
Speaker 3: I'll give you one example of upgrading downgrading. And I
Speaker 3: believe a Special Forces operator or a SWAT operator can
Speaker 3: downgrade easy because upgrading you can't. You only fall back.
Speaker 2: To some of that brainwash that you used a little
Speaker 2: bit as in you there to upgrade down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know you fall back to live your
Speaker 3: level of training. If you've never up if you never
Speaker 3: upgraded in training, you can't do that. So I give it.
Speaker 3: I'll give you one example, a personal example. I don't
Speaker 3: think I've ever said it on video. I was at
Speaker 3: my house which is kind of surrounded by fences and
Speaker 3: a gate. It's just the layout, and nine o'clock at night,
Speaker 3: I'm watching TV with my partner at the time, and
Speaker 3: I hear this crash. I quickly go and put my
Speaker 3: boots on and get my war belt. Now we're not
Speaker 3: armed over here. We don't come and carry pistols and things.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of things there. I had cuffs, and
Speaker 3: I had a torch and something else.
Speaker 2: Which is a flashlight. A flashlight is a torch for
Speaker 2: those of you that are listening, it's not an actual torch.
Speaker 2: I just want to be clear, to be clear, I
Speaker 2: think I'm interpreting much.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yes, So I get my boots because
Speaker 3: he can't fight without footwear, and I got my I
Speaker 3: got my cuffs, so I got my own belt. He's
Speaker 3: got a few things, and I rush out and I
Speaker 3: see this guy scrambling up over a fence to get
Speaker 3: out of our area, and I put two and two
Speaker 3: together and I just yelled at him. I gave him
Speaker 3: some orders and he stopped where he was. He had
Speaker 3: the shock of capture. I went to go put hands
Speaker 3: on him, and I realized he was a sixteen year old.
Speaker 3: And by the words you're saying, he said to the
Speaker 3: words of their feet, Hey, I'm freaking out on DHT
Speaker 3: or some drug hallocino jack freaking out. So immediately I
Speaker 3: went to from I've got to go and control with
Speaker 3: strain a bad guy, to hey, it's okay. I calmed
Speaker 3: him down and we started to call an ambulance for him.
Speaker 3: So I went from I'm going to go smash a
Speaker 3: guy who knows what it is to have to now
Speaker 3: actually get medical aid, and this is now a sixteen
Speaker 3: year old, not an adult. I've got to look after
Speaker 3: this guy. And we turned out getting the ambulance, getting
Speaker 3: the police, getting his mum, you've got to be able
Speaker 3: to upgrade downgrade. And he of course he never got cuffed.
Speaker 3: So there's one real word example read of maybe answering
Speaker 3: a question in a different way. I would suggest that
Speaker 3: Marine could have got some people to hold down his
Speaker 3: legs and hold down his arms and set him up
Speaker 3: safely and talk to him in a different way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe just have a different approach than just probably
Speaker 2: straight blindside. I wasn't there, I wasn't in the subway,
Speaker 2: but I can imagine just like quick. It was real quick,
Speaker 2: and he was not going to have any more of it.
Speaker 2: And it's now within the systems of the United States
Speaker 2: courts and all that kind of stuff. I just think
Speaker 2: that it's it's like, you know, Brandon, our friend Brandon
Speaker 2: Webb runs the Saite Navy seal. He I'm gonna speak
Speaker 2: from one of his experiences that he talked about was
Speaker 2: that JFK airport and there was all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he gets off the plane and he's waiting to get
Speaker 2: out and go to his luggage, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden there's this shot spire. Yeah, so it's yelling it,
Speaker 2: they're screaming it, and cops are running around with their
Speaker 2: guns out, and he says he got flagged by the
Speaker 2: police like two three different times, you know, just them alone,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I do not want to be
Speaker 2: in here. This is not for me. And I think
Speaker 2: somebody on the internet one time said to him, well,
Speaker 2: if you had a concealed carry, you could have took
Speaker 2: care of it, because you're an even steal sniper. He said,
Speaker 2: if I had a gun on me and I had
Speaker 2: pulled it out to do anything, I would have been
Speaker 2: shot by the police because they were so like not upgraded.
Speaker 3: They were just like, huh, thank you, that's so important.
Speaker 3: He said that there's an example here, and I gave
Speaker 3: this example on the French playground stabbing female police officer.
Speaker 3: So she's fully trained, an actual operational police officer. Har
Speaker 3: and a partner rolled up to a domestic incident. The
Speaker 3: mail of the domestic incident started fighting with her male
Speaker 3: partner rolling around on the verge the grass lawn outside
Speaker 3: the house. She ran to her police car and locked
Speaker 3: herself inside and left her partner to get smashed in
Speaker 3: by this guy. That's not her fault, that's a training issue.
Speaker 3: She had never seen a real fight with actual violence,
Speaker 3: and so she ran away from it. She hadn't upgraded
Speaker 3: to that, and that was exposure and those cops were
Speaker 3: not put in life threatening situations with having guns. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't blame them. I blame them the people who
Speaker 3: trained them. It's a training issue and that's what Again,
Speaker 3: it goes back to ten minutes ago. I would want
Speaker 3: people to, you know, the housewife, to learn from my
Speaker 3: experiences and my exposure of them to that it's self defense.
Speaker 2: It's everything from how you carry your keys right like,
Speaker 2: you know, getting in and out of the car. We've
Speaker 2: probably seen it or heard it or seen it on
Speaker 2: your social media scrolls like some self defense thing, but
Speaker 2: it's real. You can put your keys in your face
Speaker 2: exactly to have them sticking through. Like my pencil is
Speaker 2: right there. If you had a pencil that that thing
Speaker 2: in the nearest vampot is John Wick action, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right there? You know there's a there's a funny thing.
Speaker 2: I did a movie called Firestarter Rekindled and it has
Speaker 2: this guy named Malcolm McDowell in it, and he was
Speaker 2: in a movie called Clockwork Orange and uh, he's the
Speaker 2: main guy in Clockwork Orange and he's from the UK,
Speaker 2: but he was filming in Utah and I was playing
Speaker 2: the dad to the fire starter for the Stephen King
Speaker 2: mable for Sci Fi Channel, and he has to shove
Speaker 2: one of these in my ear. Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you behind the scenes spoiler alert. It's
Speaker 2: a shunt. It's a shunt. So what it is is
Speaker 2: it's supposed to collapse, so it looks full size. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and inside of it is a blood pellet. And so
Speaker 2: he's supposed to shove it into my ear as if
Speaker 2: he kills me and I'm strapped into the chair. He
Speaker 2: actually shoves it into my arm, and the blood that
Speaker 2: comes out of my ear is my blood. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that the pencil, the John Wick thing.
Speaker 2: You know, there's some PTSD filming a movie. Look, you
Speaker 2: know funny. I also have another I have a New
Speaker 2: Zealand connection with a movie I'm in. Yeah, do you
Speaker 2: know the Motorcyclist Burt Monroe?
Speaker 3: I do. I love that movie. Actually, I watched that
Speaker 3: movie The Wills Foster Indian in the middle of my training.
Speaker 2: That's right, I am. I had. I had a small,
Speaker 2: little like featured extra role in that. But I'm on
Speaker 2: the salt Flats as an official with the white and
Speaker 2: blue shirt and the whole time with Tony Hopkins and
Speaker 2: you know as he's playing Burt Monroe and the director.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I just want to blank. He's like
Speaker 2: the largest landowner in New Zealand. Roger donalds. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like one of the largest landowners over there.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Just buying it up all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2: He made a few good No, he made no way
Speaker 2: out with Kevin Clost. Yeah. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: ever saw that where he was like this the Russian
Speaker 2: spy in the military. Wow, tell me something. Now, do
Speaker 2: you do film or television? Have you ever?
Speaker 3: There was a documentary made on nine New Zealand says,
Speaker 3: and they followed us around for years and filmed that.
Speaker 3: I haven't done any film or television. I don't think
Speaker 3: I was in and an advertisement once a little extras
Speaker 3: role would but no, nothing nothing like you have my friend.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, it's all fun and games. You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look like you got some guns that
Speaker 2: would show up like Arnold on the on the screen.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Bro, like that whole like
Speaker 2: Dylan and Dutch in Predator where they're grabbing arms together. Know,
Speaker 2: so how do you how do you maintain that?
Speaker 3: Thanks for asking?
Speaker 2: How do you maintain your physique? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Look, I just turned fifty years old. All I can
Speaker 3: say is just keep doing something. You know, when I
Speaker 3: was young, I was a bodybuilding champion natural, I was
Speaker 3: only young, and in little Okay, I was a Pan
Speaker 3: Pacific so international bodybuilding champion.
Speaker 2: And I just kept going, how tall are you? Just
Speaker 2: tell tell my listener how tall you are. They might relate.
Speaker 3: So I'm old, So I saying feet and inches, I'm
Speaker 3: five foot eight and I'm six foot five.
Speaker 2: Holy cow, just to give us, just to give our
Speaker 2: listener a little bit. Yeah, like if you're out there
Speaker 2: and you're five foot five, five foot eight, five foot nine,
Speaker 2: this dude here is doing everything that you might want
Speaker 2: to be going to do too. Yeah. Look, you're just
Speaker 2: saying you're.
Speaker 3: You've got to stay in shape. And I was at
Speaker 3: the I've got my garage Jim out the back and
Speaker 3: sometimes I go to a little gym on the beach.
Speaker 3: I've got a membership there because I'm rehabbing an injury.
Speaker 3: And this guy said to me, what sport do you play?
Speaker 3: And I'd actually taken my little boy there. He was
Speaker 3: sitting there reading and playing lego while I was exercising
Speaker 3: in the corner. And I looked over my boy and said, actually,
Speaker 3: I trained for him, and I trained for my boy
Speaker 3: that I can pack him up and save him when
Speaker 3: I need to. And it's nice. There's a saying one
Speaker 3: of my guests say, I'm not vain, but I'm not vain.
Speaker 3: It's nice to look good. But the way I look
Speaker 3: is a side effect of my training, which I'll answer
Speaker 3: your question on, not that I'm training for how I look.
Speaker 3: So I lift about four times a week, five times
Speaker 3: a week. It's main the upper body because I had
Speaker 3: a broken ankle for some time. I'll train tabata bike
Speaker 3: and I'll train the ski urg and row and put
Speaker 3: circus together. But thirty to sixty minutes every day, I'd say,
Speaker 3: I do, and that's not that long. It's important to
Speaker 3: do that. And I eat right as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are watching what you eat right. Health and
Speaker 2: wellness is a big part of you, is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah, toiled it for many years, Thank you, and I
Speaker 3: love passing on that knowledge. But it's not rocket science.
Speaker 3: We all know what to eat really, we don't need
Speaker 3: a doctor tail us or some crazy diet.
Speaker 2: Book and what to drink water? Rightyeah, yeah, exactly. Water
Speaker 2: is good for you, keeping as simple, like funny. Just
Speaker 2: before you, just before I got on with you today,
Speaker 2: I was watching somebody talk about how many seventy seven
Speaker 2: grams of sugar equals and sugar cubes or how many
Speaker 2: tea spoons in a cup, you know, in a glass,
Speaker 2: and it was for you know, we have mountain dew
Speaker 2: over all, which is I don't know if it's allowed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's allowed over in Australia because
Speaker 2: it's got yellow number five, right, So there's a lot
Speaker 2: of things that aren't allowed over there, but coca cola,
Speaker 2: you know, is coca cola good or his diet coke better?
Speaker 2: And so the guy was doing he's a diabetic and
Speaker 2: he's going over both. And one's got aspertained and doesn't
Speaker 2: spike his blood sugar as much. Still probably not good
Speaker 2: for you. The other thing was coke, which had like
Speaker 2: twenty two sugar cubes per serving, per serving, twenty two
Speaker 2: sugar cues. He put them in a glass. He's like,
Speaker 2: this is basically what you're drinking twenty two sugar cues.
Speaker 2: He say, forget that, just drink water. But he's on
Speaker 2: the you know, one of those scrolls that I see,
Speaker 2: and I myself has started boxing. I've been boxing Big Phil,
Speaker 2: my friend Big Phil from Sas. Yep, he's constantly boxing.
Speaker 2: I saw his fights.
Speaker 3: I saw the sty Sas versus America fights the other day.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, I hosted that.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 3: That would draw a lot of them.
Speaker 2: You know, dude, some of got the one dude he
Speaker 2: got his nose shattered, okay, and he's staying at our
Speaker 2: flat that night. I don't know how many of the
Speaker 2: guys wanted to keep going out. We were like east
Speaker 2: Side London and like, hey, it's three in the morning,
Speaker 2: now let's go out. And is like I think I
Speaker 2: should go to the doctor. And I was like, we're
Speaker 2: in a foreign country. We're American veterans that are beat up.
Speaker 2: Why in a hospital? This is not our war today.
Speaker 2: You got to suck this up on the plane ride tomorrow. So,
Speaker 2: you know, it does scramble you a little bit. These
Speaker 2: guys are hard, and you know, dudes that the essays
Speaker 2: guys were bigger than the Navy Seal guys. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: had a Delta Force guy, Travis Kraus was there. And
Speaker 2: then boy, all their names Delgado. Now he's a big
Speaker 2: dude for Marine Recon. And when those two were fighting,
Speaker 2: that's right, Jason Delgatta, that's right to give him a
Speaker 2: positive shout out, right, he's a he's a stud. And
Speaker 2: then there was like Eric Davis, all these guys just.
Speaker 3: Hey, Eric Davis. From that I.
Speaker 2: Interviewed, Yes, you must have interviewed Eric. Yeah, former snipers
Speaker 2: for Yeah, he fought. Yeah, he fought, dude. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Eric fought. I sat right with him talking to him,
Speaker 2: and we were having a beer. And actually here's how
Speaker 2: it went down. We were meeting for the team fight
Speaker 2: in London. Everybody's rallying up at this restaurant. It's by
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, right around twenty sixteen, and everybody's
Speaker 2: meeting for the first time to know everybody. And I'm
Speaker 2: at the end of it, at the end of the table,
Speaker 2: and Brandon's at the other end, and I'm over by Eric.
Speaker 2: Eric's at the head, Brandon's at the other end, So
Speaker 2: I'm sitting right next to Eric and the waitress comes over.
Speaker 2: She's like, do you want to drink? And I was like,
Speaker 2: y'all have a beer. And we were talking and he's like, wait,
Speaker 2: didn't you say you were a Mormon rat. I was
Speaker 2: like yeah. He's like, I'll have a beer too, and
Speaker 2: I was like what. He's like, yeah, I'm Mormon too.
Speaker 2: But you know, when there's two of us together, it's
Speaker 2: like is one of them drinking the other one? So
Speaker 2: not to say anything bad, but that's how I got
Speaker 2: to know Eric, all right, And then after that I've
Speaker 2: just become friends with him. And he's a you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody that can push Chris Kyle into the
Speaker 2: ground and try to make him quit seal sniper Corse,
Speaker 2: that's the guy. It's him, you know. And so many
Speaker 2: famed people that he in the military community, that he oversaw,
Speaker 2: people who didn't even get notoriety, right, Yeah, no one
Speaker 2: talks about right like, there's no movie, not ever going
Speaker 2: to be a movie. It didn't happen, This wasn't here.
Speaker 2: You don't know about this. There's a thing in your
Speaker 2: brain that blows up if you talk about it. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric's a great guy. In honor to have him
Speaker 3: on the show. I was just love talking to them
Speaker 3: in front of knowledge. But there's two things that comes
Speaker 3: out of our conversation there. One is self defense and
Speaker 3: the other sports. Neither of those are related to winning
Speaker 3: a violent confrontation. Self defense, there's no such thing. Self
Speaker 3: defense is illegal. This is for the listeners. It's a
Speaker 3: legal defense in court. That's what that is. If you're
Speaker 3: going to a self defense school, it's a marketing term.
Speaker 3: I don't teach self defense. I teach Europe. I teach
Speaker 3: world or two combatives. I teach my special forces training
Speaker 3: experience and a police experience. Self defense. If you're defensive,
Speaker 3: you just been a little ball. You have to win.
Speaker 3: There's no such thing. And the other was sports. You know,
Speaker 3: boxing is a great sport, but one guy broke his
Speaker 3: nose and then the other had to draw. That's not
Speaker 3: going to work. So there's a huge difference between sports.
Speaker 3: And all the people in this world that are of
Speaker 3: any caliber speak to it. Michael don Vito speaks to it,
Speaker 3: Tony Blauer, all those sort of people. You know, sport
Speaker 3: is great, but there's no rules. So when the bad
Speaker 3: guy says, hey, give me a wallet or I'll kill you,
Speaker 3: and you give me the wallet and then he stabs you.
Speaker 3: You can't go. Oh, you didn't play by the rules.
Speaker 3: It's a criminal.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't believe the bad guy. And if you're going
Speaker 3: to go into a fist fight with someone, which I
Speaker 3: don't know why you would, and the other guy pulls
Speaker 3: out a knife and stabs you, and you think that's unfear,
Speaker 3: you really need to take a good look at your surroundings.
Speaker 3: Bad guys don't play by the rules, and sport is
Speaker 3: not a real fight.
Speaker 2: You know. It's funny you said that. I talked you
Speaker 2: a little bit about my dad being former Green Beret, etc.
Speaker 2: He taught me when I was a little kid. He said,
Speaker 2: if you're ever in a fight, you just grab the
Speaker 2: balls or whatever is there because there's no rules in
Speaker 2: a fight. There is no fair fight. He said, there
Speaker 2: is no fair fight. And the fact that you're saying
Speaker 2: that right now just reiterates what dad said. There is
Speaker 2: no fair fight. There might be a pencil on the
Speaker 2: ground out of your school books flying. I'm not saying anything,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying if you're yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: to get into any type of a fisticuffs altercation with
Speaker 2: anyone want to I want to have a discussion.
Speaker 3: We're having a nice discussion that could turn into an
Speaker 3: angry discussion, which people might call an argument. But if
Speaker 3: you want to fight, someone's going to end up in
Speaker 3: hospital or dead because why would why would we go
Speaker 3: to hands on? Now, especially females as an ambush attack,
Speaker 3: it's hands on straight away. But if you're if you
Speaker 3: let your ego get involved and you go to to
Speaker 3: then put hands on someone or they put hands on you,
Speaker 3: you've just lost it straight You lost the game straight away,
Speaker 3: and you and you might not go home that night
Speaker 3: to your family. You know. It's there's just no such
Speaker 3: thing as a fair fight. There's a quote you can
Speaker 3: put out, but I want to teach people, hey, walk
Speaker 3: away or protect yourself immediately and eliminate that threat. And
Speaker 3: I don't want people to.
Speaker 2: Have to be there.
Speaker 3: If we can use as you said sort of twenty
Speaker 3: minutes ago, situation awareness, we see things a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Let's pass the knowledge onto those people who haven't been
Speaker 3: trained like us.
Speaker 2: Read that's right now, just knowing a little bit more
Speaker 2: head on us. Just looking to your right, looking to
Speaker 2: your left. At every stop light before I go through it,
Speaker 2: even if it turns green on me, I'm like, let
Speaker 2: me just take a quick look. I don't care about
Speaker 2: anybody behind me because it's in me. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: if they're like, I look, get going, I'm not texting.
Speaker 2: I promise, don't hank me for that, Okay. I'm just
Speaker 2: making sure it's clear to go through the intersection.
Speaker 3: And I saw that today on the way to school.
Speaker 3: We saw someone not give way at a give way
Speaker 3: sign and almost take out the maserati that we had
Speaker 3: the right away. I'll ask you a question, read how
Speaker 3: safety do you feel going out at night with all
Speaker 3: those Special Forces guys and the vibe they put out
Speaker 3: and seeing what they saw.
Speaker 2: I felt really safe, okay, because I learned it's not
Speaker 2: my war from Eric Davis. And that was because we
Speaker 2: were standing in front of a chips and fish and
Speaker 2: chip shop, fish and chips and some kebab shop or
Speaker 2: something on the east side, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I was just eating my chips, right and this drunk
Speaker 2: lady comes over and she just looks at me and
Speaker 2: she's wasted and she just reaches in. I put vinegar
Speaker 2: on my stuff, and she came and I was watching
Speaker 2: this drunk chick just go to town on my chips.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even want them anymore. But
Speaker 2: I'm watching this and Eric and all those guys are like,
Speaker 2: who's she And I was like, she's wasted wanting to
Speaker 2: eat my chips, so she spits them out because she's
Speaker 2: got vinegar. Vinegar on your chips. I'm like, yeah, they're
Speaker 2: going on my fish toobe. Man, this's my fries. Out
Speaker 2: of nowhere, Out of nowhere. This dude goes running out
Speaker 2: of the corner of my eye up the street and
Speaker 2: just floors it into this dude's face out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: His face is spurting blood. Then he kicks him onto
Speaker 2: the curb and Eric date and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: my first thing stinks are what? Oh shit? What just
Speaker 2: I should help? I should give care. Yeah, Davis hit
Speaker 2: me on the shoulder said not our war, let's move,
Speaker 2: and I was like walking away looking over my shoulder, like,
Speaker 2: not our war, you know, poor guy, not our war.
Speaker 2: He didn't call it. That guy jumped him, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Mann, you know, you got the police,
Speaker 2: the peers coming through, and I was like, yeah, not
Speaker 2: our war. As soon as I saw those blue checkers.
Speaker 2: I was like, not us, non America. I can't talk
Speaker 2: back to those cops, not my war, not my passport
Speaker 2: to handover. You know what I'm saying, like, what are
Speaker 2: you doing in this violent thing with all these Navy seals? So, yeah,
Speaker 2: situational awareness, you know, and we were walking it was
Speaker 2: like three in the morning, and we're I would have
Speaker 2: not wanted to mess with that group. Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: They not only were aware of the situation, they comprehended
Speaker 3: the situation really really well at that time of the morning.
Speaker 3: And that's why I pose that question to you. You know,
Speaker 3: they're seeing stuff and they're calm to a degree that
Speaker 3: others may not be, and that makes you calm. It's
Speaker 3: just great to be a surrounded They're going to see
Speaker 3: those streets well before the other people do. And again,
Speaker 3: you're going to knowledge transfer. I want to transfer the
Speaker 3: knowledge to other people.
Speaker 2: Or like Eric Davis is upgraded, I might not have
Speaker 2: been as upgraded. And he looked and he already knew
Speaker 2: rat you're a nice guy, bro, but not our war,
Speaker 2: not today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, and that's true. I
Speaker 2: hope he hears this. I'm attacking him in it at
Speaker 2: Eric Davis's tell us that now your podcast is the
Speaker 2: how Not to DIEG podcast? Right, No, No, And so.
Speaker 3: My instagram, my instagram is how not to dieg on
Speaker 3: my podcast that you know. We connected eventually through Brandon Webb.
Speaker 3: What an amazing guest he was, so I was so
Speaker 3: humbled to have him on as a straight talk mind
Speaker 3: and muscle podcast encompassing so many things. You know, I
Speaker 3: could have mined. I could have like a top psychologist
Speaker 3: on which I have one of the top psychicolists in
Speaker 3: the world. Muscle, I could have one of the All
Speaker 3: Blacks coaches on, or I could have mined with a
Speaker 3: Delta Force guy talking PTSD. Or I could have a
Speaker 3: muscle with say a Navy seal talking about seal prep.
Speaker 3: So it compasses a whole bunch of those things as well.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you, since you're one of the first,
Speaker 2: which many people prayed on, No, I think you're one
Speaker 2: of the first, like actual trainers out there that are right,
Speaker 2: one of the first personal trainers. Is that what I studied? Yah,
Speaker 2: that's correct.
Speaker 3: I was one of the first personal trainers in the
Speaker 3: world at Les Mills back in like nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And so Arnold Schwarzenegger says, do you wake
Speaker 2: up and go to bed every day? And do you
Speaker 2: drink water? That's why I go to the gym. He's like,
Speaker 2: I go there because it's who I am and what
Speaker 2: I do. And someone's like, are you ever going to
Speaker 2: give up going to the gym? And he's like, do
Speaker 2: you give up sleeping and eating? It's like, so I
Speaker 2: want to bring that full forward because in about forty
Speaker 2: days since I started my boxing regiment, I've been going.
Speaker 2: I've gone about thirty out of the forty days to
Speaker 2: the gym, learning all my ones and twos and combos,
Speaker 2: and I've lost about six pounds of fat.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 2: I like watching that melt on the floor between my feet,
Speaker 2: the drips and the sweat. Okay, I love to show that.
Speaker 2: And what do you think? You know, you're just saying
Speaker 2: do something, do something? Be active? Right? Someone might be
Speaker 2: listening to this. They could be driving the lorry or
Speaker 2: a truck driver that's what we call him over here.
Speaker 2: It might be a lorry driver. I've learned your language,
Speaker 2: and Bob's your uncle, right, is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well well done?
Speaker 2: But you know what's a good thing for someone who
Speaker 2: wants to join the military, who's thinking about going in
Speaker 2: who what should they be trying to think about, you know,
Speaker 2: the guy that wants to just get into basic training.
Speaker 2: And whether it's in New Zealand or the US, what's
Speaker 2: something that they should be focusing on. Is it running?
Speaker 2: Is it mental? What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think that fitness brings mental toughness. That's my personal
Speaker 3: opinion based on what I did to past selection and
Speaker 3: anybody else that I know. Fitness is a base and
Speaker 3: then mental toughness is above that. But you can't have
Speaker 3: one without the other. It's going through hard things. What
Speaker 3: I think they should focus on is first just start walking.
Speaker 3: Start getting some longer walks in and the weekend go
Speaker 3: for a nice hike and enjoy the view. Enjoy the
Speaker 3: view when you out there. Don't just put some music
Speaker 3: on and be in pain. Enjoy the view you have
Speaker 3: a look around, and then progress that to running and
Speaker 3: between that kind of like Arnold said, you just do things.
Speaker 3: I suggest press ups and set ups and chin ups
Speaker 3: every day, every day, you know, just make it five
Speaker 3: five five five press ups, five chin ups, five setups,
Speaker 3: and then progress that me personally, I progress things each week.
Speaker 3: I couldn't walk reud. I was on crutches out of surgery,
Speaker 3: so I was below what a baby would be. I
Speaker 3: couldn't even crawl around and put any weight on my leg. Progression,
Speaker 3: progression is important, and give yourself that goal. But give
Speaker 3: yourself a starting point and give yourself an endpoint. If
Speaker 3: the endpoint is getting into basic training and they've got
Speaker 3: to run test and a press up test, you know
Speaker 3: what you've got to do. See where you're starting at,
Speaker 3: and then just progressively make it so. And if you
Speaker 3: want to lose weight, which you didn't ask directly, but yes,
Speaker 3: talk about that losing weight. You know that workout will
Speaker 3: burn a minimum amount of calories, even if you run
Speaker 3: your guts out for an hour.
Speaker 2: It's not a lot.
Speaker 3: I think it's six hundred calories. Seven hundred calories. I
Speaker 3: mean go to Starbucks and get a double chocolate chip
Speaker 3: fabuccino or a burger blow that. What really burns calories,
Speaker 3: and it is calories and carries out is what you
Speaker 3: do in the day. So again, me lying on the
Speaker 3: couch for six weeks recovering, I was burning no calories.
Speaker 3: I had to bring my food down. It was real
Speaker 3: and now when I can move more, you move more.
Speaker 3: Just get out and move more through the day. So
Speaker 3: you know, they say the simple thing like park your
Speaker 3: car further away, but from the interest of the store,
Speaker 3: just move more. And if the easiest way to measure
Speaker 3: that is get a five dollars pedometer and get twelve
Speaker 3: to fourteen thousand steps and that will make you lose
Speaker 3: weight more. It's easy to.
Speaker 2: Use your cell phone. You use your cell phone. Today's
Speaker 2: cell phones have it right there, So I bet you
Speaker 2: hang on. I'm not sure does that got to sneak on?
Speaker 2: It is that? It is? Oh? You still that's your phone?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've got the social media, I've got the
Speaker 3: online stores and things. I make sure that when I'm
Speaker 3: out and about I can't excess those things. And I've
Speaker 3: got a phone here it's got snake. Yeah, it's not snake.
Speaker 2: I think that's like one hundred thousand dollars on eBay
Speaker 2: right now. You might just want to google that. I
Speaker 2: think the first generation iPhone just sold for one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy thousand dollars from two thousand and seven. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm not even joking with you. Wow, it's a little
Speaker 2: yea you might be like, well, how much it might Yeah,
Speaker 2: I actually looked through my drawers to see if I
Speaker 2: can find old AT and T and Nokia phones. Dude,
Speaker 2: that's so nice, you look.
Speaker 3: Just move more. Move more is the important thing, and
Speaker 3: just easy moving and the pedometer is the simplest way.
Speaker 3: And do some press ups, chin ups and setups or
Speaker 3: something like that. Something's going to help and you don't
Speaker 3: go to I've got my garage with chains and uh
Speaker 3: and weights, and I put brake discs on on the
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 2: I saw break discs, was that you Yeah? They blue?
Speaker 2: Is it on your blue? Blue?
Speaker 3: Is the blue is the old old weight? And then
Speaker 3: on the app. So I changed the brake roaches in
Speaker 3: my car. I mean all that I could use these.
Speaker 3: They might fit on the bar.
Speaker 2: That's on your Instagram, right, I swear I saw that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the how not to dye guy Instagram. If you get
Speaker 2: one person to follow you from this, I hope they
Speaker 2: going like that picture because that's where I was like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't take much. And I also saw some young
Speaker 2: man in Africa in a village trying to train to
Speaker 2: become a professional basketball player in the rain, in the heat,
Speaker 2: and no matter what but what he's using is using
Speaker 2: old plastic water bottles as is his weights for his
Speaker 2: bench press. And he's got like old tires that he's
Speaker 2: like doing his stretches with and everything. But the dude
Speaker 2: is shredded. Yeah, he is shredded. He doesn't have some
Speaker 2: huge fitness gym that's around the corner that he's locked
Speaker 2: in two month over month and he doesn't even use.
Speaker 2: He's literally like, you know, what's up, I'm in the rain.
Speaker 2: I'm he made like a He took a piece of
Speaker 2: tin roof and folded it so it was like a
Speaker 2: U and he put it under the basket so when
Speaker 2: he shot the ball, it would roll back to him.
Speaker 2: No oh yeah, yeah, he's the things you see when
Speaker 2: you're scrolling.
Speaker 3: You know, I've got some I've got a y bell.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of like a kidtlebell down bell butt.
Speaker 3: That's the other started story. They weigh twelve kilos and
Speaker 3: I need to lift more. So I tied with some string,
Speaker 3: tied a five kilo plate on either side to it,
Speaker 3: so I could have seventeen kilos yesterday.
Speaker 2: Right right, And I kept adapting to it. Yeah why not?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 2: See, I just started doing so with this boxing, it's
Speaker 2: very cardio calisthetics, very aerobic. You know. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: how much I was getting into with boxing, right the
Speaker 2: techniques I thought I used to make fun of boxing.
Speaker 2: I don't make fun of boxing. I don't the Mike
Speaker 2: Tyson fights and stuff like, oh you can't last with Tyson,
Speaker 2: I understand, right, and so and so. I just learned
Speaker 2: how to do twenty complete burpies the other day, like
Speaker 2: complete kickout back, push up, you know, burpies. But I
Speaker 2: wasn't doing improper for about thirty days because I'm a
Speaker 2: big dude. I'm too eighty eight, but now I'm two
Speaker 2: eighty two and six foot five and dropping down and
Speaker 2: pushing back my legs is a chore. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: see these other dudes in there, and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I gotta do this. The other day, I went and
Speaker 2: got some good athletic shorts, not my normal cargo shorts.
Speaker 2: I got some stuff that will allow my junk to
Speaker 2: move freely and like have some spandex inside. Bro. I
Speaker 2: was doing burpies like. I was so proud of myself.
Speaker 2: Every time I drip drip sweat, I was just like,
Speaker 2: I'm changing my body.
Speaker 3: They say, sweet, sweetest fat, crying.
Speaker 2: Good good cry. I look in the mirror and I
Speaker 2: flip my stomach off all the time. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: coming for you. I'm like, the only thing in front
Speaker 2: of me is you, and it's my mirror. It's this me, me,
Speaker 2: I'm the only thing that's stopping me from doing anything
Speaker 2: better for me is me.
Speaker 3: Well read, you say that I interviewed two ladies. One
Speaker 3: was one hundred and ninety kilos, So that's close to two.
Speaker 2: Hundred two point three pounds of kilos. So you're talking
Speaker 2: about pounds, yeah, three hundred PUDs. Yeah, it's something about
Speaker 2: one thirty.
Speaker 3: I'm about of pounds and you know, five foot five.
Speaker 3: I interviewed here. So she ended up she didn't have
Speaker 3: any mirrors in her house because she didn't want to
Speaker 3: see herself. And she looked in her photo. Somebody took
Speaker 3: a photo of her and she went, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm three hundred pounds. She became a fitness bikini model.
Speaker 2: It just snapped her. YEP.
Speaker 3: So she made the decision and I interviewed her, and
Speaker 3: I asked her this one question, is the whole angle
Speaker 3: of the interview was? You know, is it mental or
Speaker 3: is it something else? He goes, it's a choice. I
Speaker 3: chose to get rid of all the mirrors in my
Speaker 3: house and never have a photograph so I didn't have
Speaker 3: to look at myself. She then saw the photo, she chose,
Speaker 3: it's my choice to do that. Another lady she weighed more.
Speaker 3: She weighed around about three hundred and eighty pounds, and
Speaker 3: now she's down to about one hundred and fifty and
Speaker 3: she's lost two people people, so people, she doubled her
Speaker 3: weight in pregnancy after pregnancy, sorry, and she goes so fat.
Speaker 3: She had to go grocery shopping at two am in
Speaker 3: the morning so she wouldn't be embarrassed, and she used
Speaker 3: a motorized scooter. She made a decision. And I love
Speaker 3: what you said. It's a decision because you said, the
Speaker 3: only thing stopping you is you. If someone decides to
Speaker 3: make the decision to go for a selection, to join
Speaker 3: the military, to lose six pounds, to stop boxing, to
Speaker 3: do fourteen thousand steps, all these things are decisions, and
Speaker 3: if it's to be, it's up to me. Is a
Speaker 3: very simple quote that I think is relevant here.
Speaker 2: You know, and when you said you're not really training
Speaker 2: for like this physique or this style. You're just training
Speaker 2: for your son or for your family and the loved
Speaker 2: ones around you. I have that same vibe. I know
Speaker 2: that results will come. I can already start seeing it
Speaker 2: in like my arms and whatnot and my shoulders. I
Speaker 2: know that those results would come because I want to
Speaker 2: look like a boxer. I know what a boxer looks like.
Speaker 2: And even if it's butterbean, bro come at me, man, Okay,
Speaker 2: go ahead, He's solid, dude. I wouldn't fight butterbeans like Okay,
Speaker 2: but Cardio still big dude. He's like huge dude. But again,
Speaker 2: when I go over and see Big Phil or Rob
Speaker 2: Paxman or all these guys that were boxing. You know,
Speaker 2: Rob's my size six five, you know, big dude, and
Speaker 2: he's up there boxing maybe Delgado who's like maybe six
Speaker 2: foot Wow. You know. I mean there's a big, a
Speaker 2: big size difference between the US guys and the SAS guys.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. Yeah, like Jim, you know these
Speaker 2: guys I'm repping that. I'm saying off the top.
Speaker 3: Of your Yes, Jason Dogada, I cand of remember seeing names,
Speaker 3: and then so I remember do got on linked with
Speaker 3: Jason when I have seen it written down and Paxton.
Speaker 2: Is I think also former twenty two maybe sas or
Speaker 2: he might be regiment.
Speaker 3: The other guy. There's another a says guy there. He
Speaker 3: he was on the TV shows fod his wins. But
Speaker 3: he's a skulla all now there's all the acts. He's
Speaker 3: a bridge Jason.
Speaker 2: Okay, he did. I did find them four. I've done
Speaker 2: three of them. I've gone over to England three times
Speaker 2: with the US team to host it, and it's been
Speaker 2: it's been Alie Chinton, it's been or Ali, and it's
Speaker 2: been Jim. But Jim's last names. I only think of
Speaker 2: a Instagram it's like one seven seven to two. It's
Speaker 2: like twenty two D Squadron. It's you know, and uh
Speaker 2: Rob Patton and then Matt Hell You're fought and Cray
Speaker 2: is the name I'm thinking of. Oh Callin. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was another guy that was supposed to fight for the US,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't make it. He does deadly skills. Oh,
Speaker 2: Clint Emerson was supposed to fight on that card.
Speaker 3: Clint is a great guy headed on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: really cool dude. Look his stuff that he teaches, you know.
Speaker 3: So I actually referenced Clinton the article that's coming up
Speaker 3: for the Auckland shooting. His skills of you know, you're
Speaker 3: on the other side of a door, get take off
Speaker 3: your belt and wrap it around the automatic door closer.
Speaker 3: He just saves your life with an idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, carry a zebra pen. You know, a
Speaker 2: zebra pen is metal, It can go an He demonstrates
Speaker 2: with a piece of plywood. He goes yep, right through
Speaker 2: the plywood with it, and he's like, and no one's
Speaker 2: going to take it from you at the security checkpoint
Speaker 2: because it's a zebra pen looks like a pen. So,
Speaker 2: I mean the little things that are in his little
Speaker 2: Deadly Skills book, you know, to keep you from daying
Speaker 2: like what you're look at.
Speaker 3: They're not little things. I mean, I said, with that
Speaker 3: guy that turned out to be a drug user, the
Speaker 3: first thing I went and did was get my boots.
Speaker 3: So I teach people less and I'm going to do
Speaker 3: a video beside my bid I have my boots. You
Speaker 3: can't fight and be your feet. How many times you
Speaker 3: see people break their hands or break their their feet
Speaker 3: and you have see so many times all the time.
Speaker 3: You're not going to break your feet in the boots.
Speaker 3: You can run out naked, but you got some boots on.
Speaker 3: That's what that's my first weapon before I'm going and
Speaker 3: getting and I wouldn't do it here because in Australia,
Speaker 3: before you getting body armor and a gun, I'm putting
Speaker 3: the boots on, so then I can then start to
Speaker 3: work up.
Speaker 2: Right, that's like your first line, your boots, Like, hey, yeah, boots,
Speaker 2: just like the dude tail in his shoes. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the lion because you got to
Speaker 2: run from the line and you wilps.
Speaker 3: Just from the military, I don't think you would it
Speaker 3: on in the Air Force, but in the military general military,
Speaker 3: when we air our feet out, you'd only ear one
Speaker 3: one foot out at a time. So you take one
Speaker 3: boot off foot powder on, ear it out because you've
Speaker 3: been in the wet in New Zealand, and then you
Speaker 3: do the other one. So you got a boot on
Speaker 3: the ground at all times, like a foot on the
Speaker 3: ground when you're moving forward. You got one one team
Speaker 3: or one person creating a firm base, moving moving, moving,
Speaker 3: and then the other one. So these simple things and
Speaker 3: you know the one hundred deadly skills with Clint and
Speaker 3: people say the little things, but those things that pin,
Speaker 3: that zebra pin might save your.
Speaker 2: Life one hundred percent. And you know, I've got a
Speaker 2: friend in the army who carries a zebra pin because
Speaker 2: of Clint and his advice, and we've had his books
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff through. You know. It's
Speaker 2: funny how it's a small world. That's all I have
Speaker 2: to say, all right, because here we are talking in
Speaker 2: two different time dimensions, two different days, about people that
Speaker 2: we both talk about and have. Yeah, these interactions, no wonder.
Speaker 2: Brandon's like rad get Demian on the show and I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, no, no, kidd, you know. And
Speaker 2: yesterday I was like, let's do it now, let's go now,
Speaker 2: and You're like, ye, in two hours, let's get because
Speaker 2: we're both awake. You know, it's like, what time is
Speaker 2: it if he's a weak now, I'm like and I'm
Speaker 2: a week Now, what time does it have to work
Speaker 2: for us? And I was like, am, because it's about
Speaker 2: what ten am in your times on right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we're coming up to ten am, and
Speaker 3: you're so right the small world. I was telling someone
Speaker 3: that I did a podcast and a radio show the
Speaker 3: other day and I listed some of the guests, and
Speaker 3: she's like, how do you get these people? I was like, well,
Speaker 3: it just sort of it's organic. You know, I'm talking
Speaker 3: to you. Phill End up coming on in a couple
Speaker 3: of months, and it's because we share that same love
Speaker 3: of helping others. I believe without being an egotistical and
Speaker 3: we get it. You know. Brandon was again, I go
Speaker 3: back to what I said half an hour ago. Brandon
Speaker 3: owns one hundred million dollar media company, plus soft Rep.
Speaker 3: I'd read about him for like three or four years.
Speaker 3: I'd read his book, I read Eric and Eric's book
Speaker 3: on that as well, and then I just fished out
Speaker 3: to him. Yeah, look, I just reached out to him
Speaker 3: and he said, yeah, I'll come on the show. And
Speaker 3: he made time during Thanksgiving and I was stunned. And
Speaker 3: because he knows that I can share his story to
Speaker 3: good people. And you know, if we can share one
Speaker 3: thing that one person, sorry, one thing that helps one
Speaker 3: person on the show, then I've done my job and
Speaker 3: that's what I'm here to do.
Speaker 2: Now. Do you, foresee, do you have a book, do
Speaker 2: you have anything that is going to be coming up?
Speaker 2: Do you think you'll sit down and write a memoir.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. I have actually partnered with
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna leave it. If they're going to say British,
Speaker 3: I won't say what he does. I was just say
Speaker 3: a British operator. And we are going to be creating
Speaker 3: an audiobook first, and then that's going to transcribe into
Speaker 3: a written book and that'll be over the.
Speaker 2: Next year or two or I look forward to getting
Speaker 2: a copy or listening to it. You know, it's such
Speaker 2: a cool thing to have these audiobooks these days, where
Speaker 2: you know you can listen like they're listening to us
Speaker 2: or watching us right now. There's nothing like reading a
Speaker 2: good book. But you know, the audio is very popular
Speaker 2: these days, so I wish you most success with that.
Speaker 2: And I know I've had your time for about an
Speaker 2: hour and it doesn't even seem like that. It just
Speaker 2: flies by so quick, and I know our listener knows.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to wind it down because you've got things
Speaker 2: to get on with your day and continue to stay.
Speaker 2: You know, you're firefighter. Thanks for your service firefighting by
Speaker 2: the way over there. I'm sure everybody that you help
Speaker 2: really appreciate you being on site when you show up,
Speaker 2: you know, first it's a great world, It really is.
Speaker 3: I haven't been. I haven't been on the job for
Speaker 3: six months with my broken ankle. It is a long
Speaker 3: term injury. But look popped in the station and now
Speaker 3: and then and look at it's an amazing job. That
Speaker 3: one and again that's people running towards danger. Good people
Speaker 3: doing that. Male and female. We have one standard over here.
Speaker 2: It's great. Look shout out. Is there a station number
Speaker 2: like over in the US. You got a number for
Speaker 2: your station?
Speaker 3: Hey, that's funny because I had been to Orlando. I've
Speaker 3: been to Orange County the fire station there. But my
Speaker 3: fire station here in Western Australia is Clearmont fire Station.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a great bunch of guys, small station.
Speaker 3: It's a real home. And yeah, of course, thank you
Speaker 3: for the opportunity.
Speaker 2: Who's the best? Who's the best cook? You got it?
Speaker 2: Let's get let's let's start some wars. Who's the best
Speaker 2: cook there? Who's the best? The best? Is it? You?
Speaker 2: Who is it?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll throw it out there for my buddy Sean
Speaker 3: pulled away from bondsay in England. He's an import, luck
Speaker 3: I am, and yeah he can he can do a
Speaker 3: main pool belly that boy.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go. There's a shout out. So if
Speaker 2: you want to be a firefighter, go join his his
Speaker 2: squad and get some pork belly. Well, listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wind down and just remind you that we have a
Speaker 2: merch store. It's got Softwap goods in it. You can
Speaker 2: go check out Brandon Webb's new book Blind Fear, which
Speaker 2: has just released this month. Go check it out, get
Speaker 2: it for Christmas, for your father, for your mother, go
Speaker 2: check out the audio books. I'm the voice of the
Speaker 2: character Finn and Cold Fear and Steel Fear, so I'm
Speaker 2: very thrilled to have that opportunity and I'm really pleased
Speaker 2: and thank you Brandon for introducing Damian Porter to me
Speaker 2: today and having you become part of my life. So
Speaker 2: welcome to my family and soft Rep Mafia. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to be a partner with you here, So thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you Ried. I'm actually honored, I really and thank
Speaker 3: you so much for up chain. It's been great to
Speaker 3: check to you. I love you to know a pission
Speaker 3: from the other side of the world in an interview
Speaker 3: in such a organic way, and it's just been a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your interview skills and get the information
Speaker 3: out to you.
Speaker 2: Every Body, you're welcome. And again, if anybody wants to
Speaker 2: go check out Damien's instagram, it is how Not to
Speaker 2: Die Guy, and I have to look at the ceiling
Speaker 2: because I have to say how Not to Die Guy.
Speaker 2: So go check out how Not to Die Guy on Instagram,
Speaker 2: Friend him and h and follow along and see if
Speaker 2: you can get some coaching tips. I bet you could
Speaker 2: reach out and ask him some questions too. So I
Speaker 2: just want to say thank you on behalf of soft
Speaker 2: Rep Brandon Webb and the whole cast and crew, Anton
Speaker 2: who does my producing. Another shout out for you, Bro.
Speaker 2: I know you're going to hear it, So thank you
Speaker 2: to Chris and Mark and everybody else and my wife.
Speaker 2: This is Rat saying peace.
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