Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. It's a Dynasty fantasy football podcast on
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Speaker 1: by Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore ff on the Twitter
Speaker 1: Machine Fitzsi. This is our last show of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: It's almost bittersweet here, but we stopped during the regular season.
Speaker 1: Here we get you prep during draft season and to
Speaker 1: send everybody off, We've got our boy thor Nice from
Speaker 1: at thor Ku on the Twitter to talk about some
Speaker 1: of the best college football draft prospects for fantasy as
Speaker 1: of right now. Obviously things will change over the entire
Speaker 1: college football season and injuries and who comes out whose
Speaker 1: days and all that good stuff, but we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a nice base here with Thor So FITZI last episode.
Speaker 1: It's kind of bittersweet here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bog's final episode of twenty twenty three. We'll be
Speaker 2: back shortly after the end of the NFL regular season.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I actually did my last last
Speaker 2: week Bogs, because I mean, we've got Thor Nystrom, the
Speaker 2: Norse Scott of college football with us. If I am
Speaker 2: doing a lot of talking. I'm doing a disservice to
Speaker 2: our listeners and viewers. I mean, just I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask Thor about players and get the hell out of
Speaker 2: the way. That's right. That's right, Thor. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: We did this same episode last year.
Speaker 1: You're always on the last one with us because we
Speaker 1: want to get a nice base going to the season.
Speaker 1: And you know, Fitzia and I have been talking about
Speaker 1: this all offseason, is that you don't want to trade
Speaker 1: those number ones for twenty twenty four because the draft
Speaker 1: class looks super stacked, a lot of good talent coming
Speaker 1: out here, much better than the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Even are you in agreement with that? You think this
Speaker 1: one is a pretty stack class, right I.
Speaker 3: Am, yeah. I mean, especially when you consider the skill
Speaker 3: guys in comparison to some of the recent years, the
Speaker 3: two quarterbacks you know, standing above the rest there. I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a solid quarterback class. Running
Speaker 3: back class is going to be really good as well.
Speaker 3: We're going to hit on some of those. And after
Speaker 3: we had a season off with the receiver class where
Speaker 3: we didn't have one taken in the top nineteen picks,
Speaker 3: the first receiver off the board. The twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: draft is going to happen very very quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamar Chase levels here. Yeah, in the top five,
Speaker 1: maybe even two, So we will see. But let's start
Speaker 1: at the very tippy top here, Thor, and let's talk
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, because you know, he just won the Heisman,
Speaker 1: the term generational talent. You know, the Longhorns were whooping
Speaker 1: on the Sooners. He comes in and beats the Sooners.
Speaker 1: That's my memory of Caleb Williams records, but that was
Speaker 1: really when he broke out luckily transferred with Lincoln Riley
Speaker 1: to usc on himself. A Heisman. Is the Heisman front
Speaker 1: runner again this year? How good is Caleb Williams Because
Speaker 1: we heard a lot about Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is great,
Speaker 1: but you know, in terms of NFL and fantasy picks,
Speaker 1: he's right around. You know, he's top ten, top eight,
Speaker 1: somewhere in that neighborhood. He didn't come in and change
Speaker 1: the game like we kind of thought he was. But
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, to me, is the closest thing that we've
Speaker 1: seen to Patrick Mahomes since Pat since Patrick Mahomes, Am
Speaker 1: I wrong?
Speaker 2: On that.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Caleb Well.
Speaker 3: In terms of how good of a prospect he is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the hype is real. He's an incredible prospect. I don't
Speaker 3: love the Mahomes comp though, that's the ubiquitous one. The
Speaker 3: thing I don't get about it is Mahomes was a
Speaker 3: six foot four pocket passer coming out of Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: He doesn't use his legs nearly as much like I
Speaker 3: understand the the you know, and the arm strength and yeah,
Speaker 3: the different slots they throw it out of. But Caleb
Speaker 3: Williams uses his mobility quite a bit more. And then
Speaker 3: to compare him as a passor to Mahomes, I don't
Speaker 3: really feel like it's fair to Caleb Williams. He is
Speaker 3: very good, very very good, and he's got that arm strength,
Speaker 3: he throws it from the different angles that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: But I just think I'm gonna have a different comp
Speaker 3: than than Mahomes when when we get there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: believe the hype on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: The super flex I mean, easy one one with a bullet.
Speaker 3: Right for sure? You can make that pick now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you're on the clock making now, is
Speaker 1: Caleb right?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: You mentioned that it's a clear cut top to a
Speaker 2: quarterback thor I'm gonna assume that the number two guy
Speaker 2: is Drake May correct, And you know, does he have
Speaker 2: any chance to be I don't know. Probably no chance
Speaker 2: to pass Caleb, I'm guessing. But could he be the
Speaker 2: second overall pick in next year's NFL draft for sure?
Speaker 3: Cud Yeah, I'm I don't buy the take of like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's so close to Caleb that he could
Speaker 3: easily hop him. Like for me, it's Caleb Williams, he's
Speaker 3: going with the first over out pick. But Drake May,
Speaker 3: I mean, like in almost any other class, he would
Speaker 3: be the front runner to be the number one pick.
Speaker 3: The guy's of pocket prodigy. He came in immediately, you know,
Speaker 3: as a red shirt freshman at UNC and was dominant,
Speaker 3: dominant last year too. This year. The interesting thing we'll
Speaker 3: be seeing him go from the phil Ango system, which FITZI,
Speaker 3: I know you've been getting yourself appointed with a big
Speaker 3: badger f that it leaves for Wisconsin to join Fickle staff.
Speaker 3: Now Chip Lindsay has taken over at un see, it
Speaker 3: is a different kind of a system. I think the
Speaker 3: thinking with with May because apparently he pushed for that.
Speaker 3: He wanted to be in a little bit more of
Speaker 3: a pro style league type system that this last year
Speaker 3: going out. But that Longo system just so advantageous for quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: as we know, you know, I mean every quarterback he's
Speaker 3: worked with now for years was an NFL draft pick whatever.
Speaker 3: And Drake May's special sauce so neatly went along with
Speaker 3: the way that Longo like with his philosophy because Drake
Speaker 3: May has an enormous arm and he also has great
Speaker 3: touchdown field. He was the best depassing quarterback in college
Speaker 3: football as a sophomore, So, like you know, you're curious
Speaker 3: to see with taking those less downfield shots in this
Speaker 3: new system ostensibly, and also the new receiving corps. They
Speaker 3: lost Josh Downs, who May had you know, threw a
Speaker 3: metric ton of balls to last year, and then they
Speaker 3: were gonna have this new look receiving corps and now
Speaker 3: Teses Walker, the guy who projected to be the number
Speaker 3: one receiver in that who transferred over from Kent State.
Speaker 3: The NCAA is being ridiculously punitive with him, and a
Speaker 3: week or two ago said, you know, I know that
Speaker 3: we said that you could play this year we were
Speaker 3: kidding because we changed the role afterwards, so now you
Speaker 3: can't play. I'm not you know, I won't get into
Speaker 3: that whole thing, but you're wondering how much receiving talent
Speaker 3: UNC actually has trying to cobble that together. And I
Speaker 3: brought this up before, but it makes me think a
Speaker 3: little bit of last year's Alabama team when you had
Speaker 3: the you know, number one overall prospect at quarterback, but
Speaker 3: his receiving course stunk. And that's what I'm hoping does
Speaker 3: not happen to Drake May this year. And I'm also
Speaker 3: hoping that he takes that Chip Lindsay system quickly. But
Speaker 3: one thing I will note, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: conflate these two guys, but you guys recall going into
Speaker 3: Sam Halls last year on campus, he was a top
Speaker 3: ten consensus prospect every to early mock draft. He was
Speaker 3: top ten. What a so solid? Skill guys, Yeah, every
Speaker 3: one of them. Yes, lost of skill guys. And they
Speaker 3: also figured out how to frustrate Sam Howell the collegiate
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators. What they started doing was dropping eight guys
Speaker 3: and so Sam, you know, and it wasn't great with
Speaker 3: Stephen Cory like you guys are mentioning. That's why Sam
Speaker 3: Howill rushed for over a thousand yards his life right handed.
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, Sure, yeah.
Speaker 3: He would take off all the time. You know. It's like,
Speaker 3: oh my one read's not there, I'm tucking and running.
Speaker 3: That's why his draft stock plummeted. Right or wrong, it
Speaker 3: appears to be wrong, you know, heading into this current season.
Speaker 3: But the reason I bring all this up is Drake
Speaker 3: made the end of last season. He had been chugging
Speaker 3: along for over a year and a half. Then teams
Speaker 3: started dropping eight on him. I don't know why they
Speaker 3: didn't start this earlier, but Drake may had two of
Speaker 3: his worst games in college, just getting really frustrated with that.
Speaker 3: I'll be interested to see as Austin. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: sure that defensive coordinator is going to do that this fall,
Speaker 3: if he has any answers for that. So those are
Speaker 3: three different questions he's got to answer. But definitely a
Speaker 3: consensus top five guy, justifiably so heading into the year.
Speaker 1: So tell me quickly about a couple of the guys
Speaker 1: behind those two, because we know those two are the
Speaker 1: consensus top but there's a lot of QB talent here
Speaker 1: as well. We got guys like JJ McCarthy from Michigan,
Speaker 1: Quinn Yours from Texas, Riley Leonard, who I really like
Speaker 1: from Duke Spencer Rattler depends on which Spencer Ratley are getting.
Speaker 1: He looked really good at the end of last season.
Speaker 1: And Shadora Sanders at Colorado is a guy that you
Speaker 1: wanted us to put on this list as well. So
Speaker 1: who do you like out of that group and just
Speaker 1: give us a quick little synopsis of those guys.
Speaker 3: Well, you know all of them, you know, in a
Speaker 3: certain way, you know, to one level or another. I
Speaker 3: think those guys are all going to get drafted eventually.
Speaker 3: You know. With McCarthy, there's things that I like and
Speaker 3: there's things that he has to prove, right former five
Speaker 3: star recruit, he's obviously been the quarterback now of you know,
Speaker 3: last year, if he was a quarterback of a team
Speaker 3: that went to the playoff whatnot. He first of all,
Speaker 3: he needs to add wait his you know, he's on
Speaker 3: the super light side, needs to push himself closer to
Speaker 3: two twenty if it's possible for his frame to do that.
Speaker 3: The other thing is somewhat in his control, but somewhat
Speaker 3: out of his hands, which is he has natural playmaking ability,
Speaker 3: like he has creativity with the ball in his hands,
Speaker 3: different stuff like that. But Michigan last year, clearly we're
Speaker 3: sort of uh handling with kid gloves. I would say
Speaker 3: it wasn't just the run heavy ethos. It was also
Speaker 3: protecting him from throwing the ball into windows, like you know,
Speaker 3: putting the ball up for you know, even just like
Speaker 3: we're not going to have that concept, And so a
Speaker 3: lot of the looks he got were fairly easy. I
Speaker 3: want to see Michigan unleash JJ McCarthy this year just
Speaker 3: a little bit, so we get to see more of
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Probably week four when Harbaugh comes back, right, so.
Speaker 3: I hope so or heck against these crappy opponents they
Speaker 3: played in the first month while Harbass is spent, it.
Speaker 1: Took the over in the Michigan game this week, yeah,
Speaker 1: or because I was like, I think the assistants might
Speaker 1: have a contest of who can blow out these small
Speaker 1: schools the most, like between the four of them right right,
Speaker 1: because it's the DC the first, the oc UH in
Speaker 1: the third, and then Mike Hart and j Harball in
Speaker 1: the second game splitting each at I was like, these
Speaker 1: guys might have a little competition of who could score
Speaker 1: more points. So I like the over that Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who else on this list? Do you know?
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say I bought Fitzia cheeseburger and Canton,
Speaker 3: and the ncaaate and suspend me for three games. So
Speaker 3: I appreciate that NCA. I'm sorry. It wasn't about the cheeseburger.
Speaker 3: As far as quinn Ewers, he's really interesting, right, Like
Speaker 3: you know him and Caleb Williams in the class where
Speaker 3: they came out, it was like the Lawrence and Justin
Speaker 3: Fields thing, right like there, you know, so far above everyone,
Speaker 3: so highly, you know, sought after whatnot. Caleb Williams obviously
Speaker 3: was immediately a star. We have no questions really about
Speaker 3: his game. Caleb Williams awesome under pressure as well. Quinn
Speaker 3: Ewers we got more questions about him. But the arm
Speaker 3: talent is unimpeachable. You can't argue with it, can It
Speaker 3: doesn't even make sense how the ball debtnates out of
Speaker 3: his hand and goes so far, because I've always compared
Speaker 3: the way he throws to Uncle Rico. You know, it's
Speaker 3: sort of like he started as this and all of
Speaker 3: them come out in that side arm thing. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I watched that kid in high school and I was like,
Speaker 3: there's no way he throws the ball as hard as
Speaker 3: people say, and you watch him, you're like that it
Speaker 3: looks like a glitch in the matrix when the ball
Speaker 3: just like shoots out of there. Doesn't even look like
Speaker 3: he's trying. And a part of the not trying thing
Speaker 3: is something needs to work on because he lets his
Speaker 3: mechanics go. We talked about this last process with Will Levis.
Speaker 3: We're even in clean pockets. Will Levis would just be like,
Speaker 3: oh hey, I'm gonna throw it from my back foot
Speaker 3: and just fling it because I have this enormous arm.
Speaker 3: We've seen too much of that with yours. But I
Speaker 3: will say after this last season, yours got more well.
Speaker 3: First of all, he cut the mull at which that
Speaker 3: part of it was sad, but he got he got
Speaker 3: more diligent with the diet. You know, he's up in
Speaker 3: terms of way, but it's all muscle stuff like that,
Speaker 3: so he looks totally different, seems to be locked in
Speaker 3: from that perspective. I hope the mechanics were done as well,
Speaker 3: because as the mechanics go here and there, the accuracy
Speaker 3: goes here and there. That's when it starts to waiver
Speaker 3: when he just goes Yola with the mechanics. Have to
Speaker 3: work on that. But again, Arm talent, you put him
Speaker 3: right near the top of this, if not the number
Speaker 3: one guy, just in terms of that road Arm.
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Speaker 3: Well, Leonard's gonna get onto more people's radars this year,
Speaker 3: you know, I agree. On Monday, yeah, exactly, Yeah, against Clemson,
Speaker 3: he got a big test test right out of the game.
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons that line it's not going
Speaker 3: much beyond ten because the sharps in the market are
Speaker 3: like that dude, golfriends might be able to, you know,
Speaker 3: at least put up the points to keep it, you know,
Speaker 3: within that sprea whatnot. But Riley Leonard ideal fra him.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, like he's he's a bigger kid
Speaker 3: than McCarthy, for instance, six ' four and he's already
Speaker 3: pushing two fifteen, two twenty if he's not there already,
Speaker 3: former dual sport star you know, back in high school whatnot.
Speaker 3: And you see that athleticism. He's not just big. He
Speaker 3: can move around, not only evading the rush. You can
Speaker 3: get outside of the pocket and do a little bit
Speaker 3: of damage. And I like his arm as well. The
Speaker 3: one thing last year when he sort of jumped up
Speaker 3: that he needs to work on for this coming season.
Speaker 3: He was not great under pressure last year. So when
Speaker 3: you look at his clean pocket numbers, they're pretty sterling.
Speaker 3: You know, it sort of jumps out to you when
Speaker 3: you look at the under pressure stuff. That's where it
Speaker 3: gets concerning the under pressure numbers. Falling way off from
Speaker 3: the clean pocket numbers is one of the ways I
Speaker 3: pick out draft bus quarterbacks. So that is something for
Speaker 3: me and I'm sure for other evaluators. He absolutely needs
Speaker 3: to clean up, but he's only heading into his junior season,
Speaker 3: so he's got time to do it. Clemson will certainly
Speaker 3: challenge him on that account, so that Monday night is
Speaker 3: a great time to get your first exposure to Leonard.
Speaker 3: With regards to Shader Sanders, I think he's slept on
Speaker 3: just because he's Dion Sun. It's crazy to say that,
Speaker 3: but coming out, you know, he was a four star recruit.
Speaker 3: He goes to the FCS, so people haven't seen him
Speaker 3: for a couple of years. Playing down to Jackson say it,
Speaker 3: he shredded the FCS. He's got a better arm than
Speaker 3: you would think from his frame, and he's obviously athletic.
Speaker 3: But I actually think Dion has helped out his development
Speaker 3: quite a bit because instead of using that athleticism to
Speaker 3: just tuck and run every time it's not there, he
Speaker 3: stays in the pocket. He uses it to avoid the
Speaker 3: pass rush, keep his eyes downfield, and then chuck it up.
Speaker 3: This year, Colorado has a pretty good three man receiving corps.
Speaker 3: Two standout starters from USF last year that they imported,
Speaker 3: and then Travis Hunter, who went along with the Sanders,
Speaker 3: is up to Boulder. Travis Hunter has been practicing at
Speaker 3: receiver off spring. He's going to play both ways. So
Speaker 3: you have Travis Hunter, you have the two US standout guys.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have a good receiving corps and they play
Speaker 3: that hyper tempo system that Sean Lewis brings over from
Speaker 3: Kent State. They're bringing it to altitude now, running the
Speaker 3: fastest tempo offense in the nation. I think that's gonna
Speaker 3: be really interesting. They're going to gas defenses and Shadeer
Speaker 3: Sanders has a ton of natural ability, so I had
Speaker 3: to shout him up. And the last guy, Bogman Rattler.
Speaker 3: If so, I don't even know if I should say this,
Speaker 3: because this guy that I was talking to is way
Speaker 3: higher on Rattler than anyone else, certainly even higher than me,
Speaker 3: and I sort of like Raler. I was talking to
Speaker 3: an NFL agent recently that said, if Ratler plays like
Speaker 3: you did the last couple of games of last season,
Speaker 3: he's a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be unbelievable to see him be
Speaker 1: a first round pick after you know, I mean when
Speaker 1: you think about who usurped his job at Oklahoma was
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams just won the Heisman. So you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe we were a little reactionary to Rattler,
Speaker 1: but I think the main thing for him, or you
Speaker 1: tell me if you have a different opinion here, it's
Speaker 1: just the lack of maturity, and it seems like he
Speaker 1: got that at some point last year. Right, He's a
Speaker 1: young man. They're all young men, some of them mature
Speaker 1: faster than others, and it just seemed like he was
Speaker 1: unbelievably immature watching him from the you know, the high
Speaker 1: school show and cameras following him around all the time.
Speaker 1: Very immature there. Now he looks like he's kind of
Speaker 1: he's a man now and he's focused and he's going
Speaker 1: and I think I don't know if he's a first
Speaker 1: round pick, but I could certainly see him improving his
Speaker 1: draft stock. Another guy. Big matchup against North Carolina Week one,
Speaker 1: which will dictate a lot of opinions.
Speaker 3: Deal one for him because it's been a matadoor defense
Speaker 3: last couple of years, but obviously a team that forces
Speaker 3: you into shootouts and Raller at the end of last
Speaker 3: season was on fire, so we'll see. I'll always remember
Speaker 3: this quote that Seth Galena from PFF had about Spencer
Speaker 3: Rallery a couple of years ago, that he plays quarterback
Speaker 3: like a video game, and that is sort of like
Speaker 3: Rallery like the Bad Spencer is where he just goes
Speaker 3: yolo right and he just starts putting the ball up
Speaker 3: for grabs and like he's not diligent playing within the playbook,
Speaker 3: going through the progressions whatnot. Like he sees it and
Speaker 3: he tries to rip it and he'll try to throw
Speaker 3: it between two guys when it works like against Tennessee,
Speaker 3: he was doing this and just like Tennessee, you know,
Speaker 3: they were like the cat trying to to catch the
Speaker 3: laser pointer. Like Spencer Ratler is always like three steps
Speaker 3: ahead of him and just slicing him and diceing and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Spencer Ratler has an awesome arm. Like he's another one
Speaker 3: of those guys that's on the shorter side where the
Speaker 3: first time you see him throw, you're like, WHOA, Like
Speaker 3: the ball shouldn't come out as quick as it does
Speaker 3: with the RPMs it does. He has the big league
Speaker 3: arm and he has big league creativity as well. His
Speaker 3: first year starting at Oklahoma, his under duress numbers were
Speaker 3: up there with Pat Mahomes. That's what you like about him.
Speaker 3: He is not concerned about guys coming into his kitchen
Speaker 3: flying around. He's going to try to buy time. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to compare him to Bryce Young in that way,
Speaker 3: but they have sort of that same prerogative of we
Speaker 3: want to extend the play because we can get it
Speaker 3: anywhere we need to go and get that ball out
Speaker 3: super quick. But whereas Bryce Young doesn't make mistakes with
Speaker 3: those split second you know, he's got to get it
Speaker 3: out now we've seen too much of that from Ratler.
Speaker 3: Of course the end of last season he mitigated that
Speaker 3: greatly with playing like a stud again this season, we
Speaker 3: need just the good Spencer all the way through. I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna go with the agents say he gonna be
Speaker 3: a first round pick if that happens, but he will
Speaker 3: absolutely be a Day two pick if he plays this
Speaker 3: season like you at the very end of last.
Speaker 2: So let's swing over to running backs. And I'm kind
Speaker 2: of interesting interested to hear what you think about this
Speaker 2: class overall, because I'm not quite sure, Like if we
Speaker 2: don't have a Bijon Robinson in this class, we know
Speaker 2: that much, but I feel like it could be a
Speaker 2: deep class or maybe not, like it's kind of yet
Speaker 2: to be determined. Is that sort of the sense you
Speaker 2: get with how this class is going to stack up
Speaker 2: against other recent running back classes.
Speaker 3: I think that's very well side fits. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 3: have that elite megastud that we were blessed with last year,
Speaker 3: but the depth of it is better. Right, Like there
Speaker 3: is people that were nitpicking the depth of the last
Speaker 3: running back class. I only pushed back against that slightly
Speaker 3: because there was a couple of deep guys. As you
Speaker 3: guys both know that I really liked Cuff goff Eavan
Speaker 3: Hall a couple of times like that, but it also
Speaker 3: to me sort of dropped off. There was running backs
Speaker 3: going that I in the last class that I was
Speaker 3: really surprised got drafted, like the Lou Nichols kid. And
Speaker 3: you know a couple of guys like that were in
Speaker 3: this class, they would not get drafted. So just by definition,
Speaker 3: in terms of that, just by the qualitative numbers of
Speaker 3: draftable guys, this class is certainly gonna have more. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have more guys in that Day two thing, but
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna get a top fifteen running
Speaker 3: back out of this class.
Speaker 2: Well, no Northwestern guys in this class. I don't think
Speaker 2: no Evan Halls for you this year for but we
Speaker 2: do have a lot of Big ten representation at the top.
Speaker 2: And let me ask you about three of those guys. Well,
Speaker 2: it's interesting because two of them are at Michigan, so
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun to see them share a backfield,
Speaker 2: Donovan Edwards and Blake Koram, who a lot of people
Speaker 2: got familiar with last year. And then you know, of
Speaker 2: course we also have to talk about my guy from Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: And we know how people get excited about like big
Speaker 2: backs with speed. What's gonna happen when Brayln Allen checks
Speaker 2: in at like almost two forty at the combine next
Speaker 2: year and runs like a four to four, Like, people
Speaker 2: are gonna lose their freaking minds? Though, well, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: so let's let's talk about those three. You want to
Speaker 2: take Allen first? To the Michigan guys, we.
Speaker 3: Can go Allen first. I mean, it's like you said,
Speaker 3: he's this big sledgehammer back and you know, all of
Speaker 3: his career, this is what you know. I really appreciate
Speaker 3: that Wisconsin's going from the system they had now to
Speaker 3: the Longo system because the last couple of years Fits,
Speaker 3: as you know, defensive would just load the box against
Speaker 3: Brayleen Allen. And then it became his quarterback was Graham
Speaker 3: Mertz and we won't get into that Fits, but it
Speaker 3: became a Braylen Allen having to fist fight guys out
Speaker 3: of his catch and break tackles, you know, even to
Speaker 3: try to get into the second level whatnot. In fact,
Speaker 3: last year, by the numbers, by the percentage, Wisconsin faced
Speaker 3: more eight man boxes than any offense in the nation
Speaker 3: that did not run the triple option. They finished fourth.
Speaker 3: The only three above them were the Service academies running
Speaker 3: the option, and that was because Graham Mertz and that
Speaker 3: offensive scheme could not disincentivize teams out of the box.
Speaker 3: This year will be totally different, right you go to
Speaker 3: the Phil Longo system. We were just talking about the
Speaker 3: Longo system with regards to Drake may It's it's one
Speaker 3: of the most advantageous for quarterbacks because it gives you
Speaker 3: the one on one looks downfield. You don't have to
Speaker 3: do the complex reads, you know, different stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But it also is going to naturally get guys out
Speaker 3: of the box. So for the first time in Braylan
Speaker 3: Allen's career, we're going to get to see him attacking
Speaker 3: thin boxes. That kid might go off this year. You know,
Speaker 3: you think about the Longo system, some people might just
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you know, it's it's only pass you know.
Speaker 3: It's like Eric, it's actually not, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: he it's pretty well balanced. It's just it naturally gives
Speaker 3: you the efficiency from the running game by getting those
Speaker 3: guys out of the box, and then you get the
Speaker 3: one on one shots downfield that it's dictated by the
Speaker 3: pre snap numbers where the defenders are, so they get
Speaker 3: those looks. They're going to get them, as you know,
Speaker 3: especially if you have to do something to try to
Speaker 3: stop the run. Brailan Allen's certainly going to do that
Speaker 3: this year. Javonte Williams went off in that system. That
Speaker 3: system also supports pass catching backs. Michael Carter played for him,
Speaker 3: you know, different guys like that. I want to see,
Speaker 3: you know, not only how he does against the box.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to do really good against those
Speaker 3: in boxes. I also want to see a little bit
Speaker 3: more in the receiving game this year out of him.
Speaker 3: We've seen a little bit, but he's gonna get a
Speaker 3: lot more opportunities to both pass pro catch the ball whatnot.
Speaker 3: Obviously I didn't have to do as much of that
Speaker 3: at Wisconsin before, but yeah, very exciting running back prospect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we could get like a Deonta Foreman
Speaker 2: at Texas type. Sure, when it was spread it out
Speaker 2: and Foreman what ran for two thousand yards that year.
Speaker 2: But now we've got a fast version of Deonta Foreman
Speaker 2: with Braylan Allen.
Speaker 3: So, uh, we're almost to a talented version, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what about what about Donovan Edwards and Blake
Speaker 2: Krum at Michigan? There you have a preference on these guys,
Speaker 2: like I know a lot of people have them won
Speaker 2: two in the class there's both, So yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: haven't looked at a ton of other run so I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a scandalous take or not. But
Speaker 3: I prefer Edwards because I.
Speaker 1: Think that's actually a little big Yeah.
Speaker 3: As you know, as far as the college utility in
Speaker 3: the Michigan system, I prefer Quorum because he's like the
Speaker 3: bowling ball guy. He's like short, but he's super well built,
Speaker 3: runs load at the ground, awesome contact balance, very good acceleration.
Speaker 3: Like he's just sort of your your prototypical really really
Speaker 3: good meat and potatoes guy. I want to see more
Speaker 3: receiving out of Korum. The problem with that, though, is
Speaker 3: that's Edwards' thing. He is so multifaceted. He's a big kid,
Speaker 3: he is more athletic than than Korum, and he can
Speaker 3: do what he's skilled as a receiver in a way
Speaker 3: that that Korum is not. And so of course that
Speaker 3: usage goes to him. He doesn't get to do as
Speaker 3: much of the meat and potato stuff, so some of
Speaker 3: that stuff where we're just not quite as sure of.
Speaker 3: He hasn't gotten quite the you know, over the course
Speaker 3: of his career, the usage. But there was that one
Speaker 3: game where Korum couldn't play late last year against Ohio
Speaker 3: State or whatever. It was just just absolutely went off.
Speaker 3: So it would be interesting to see him as a
Speaker 3: belt cow in the same way that it would be
Speaker 3: interesting to see Korum on a team that didn't have
Speaker 3: this next level you know, Swiss army knife back, so
Speaker 3: he'd get more of the receiving looks. But those guys
Speaker 3: compliment he each other very well. It's part of the
Speaker 3: reason why Michigan's my national title pick this year.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad we had that break with Bogman doing the
Speaker 2: read thor because I'm busy picking up my jaw off
Speaker 2: the floor with that Michigan prediction man, Like, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I couldn't pandle a Michigan National championship. One more
Speaker 2: running back before I kick it over to Bogs, I
Speaker 2: got to ask you about one more guy. And as
Speaker 2: much as I love Braylen Allen, like my favorite running
Speaker 2: back in the class, I think is Raheem Rocket Sanders
Speaker 2: for Arkansas. So tell me about him?
Speaker 3: Could he think? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did he possibly climb the list and you know, be
Speaker 2: one of the first one or two backs chosen?
Speaker 3: For sure? You want to talk about a kid. Then
Speaker 3: when he goes to Indianapolis, like we're gonna have to
Speaker 3: be wiping this off the ground. He's a big locomotive.
Speaker 3: And when he gets going north south, when he's got
Speaker 3: that little bit of a runway, he's got sprinter speed, right,
Speaker 3: and so like you have that stuff going for you,
Speaker 3: like to see more of the skill set flower out
Speaker 3: this year in terms of other stuff, but as far
Speaker 3: as the north south load and the now you see
Speaker 3: him now you don't thing that stuff is unimpeachable. Like
Speaker 3: to see a little bit more on the third down
Speaker 3: work on that kind of stuff. And then I'm not
Speaker 3: sure just how agile he is. But when you give
Speaker 3: him that runway, like I said, very very difficult to
Speaker 3: deal with, He'll run through arm tackles. He can get
Speaker 3: into the second level and if you don't have people
Speaker 3: around him and now he's in space, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why he racks up all these explosive
Speaker 3: runs and whatnot. I just want to see some of
Speaker 3: the other shot because I don't want to have to
Speaker 3: peg him as system specific type back right, like you know,
Speaker 3: I want to be able to project him as more
Speaker 3: like the bellcow guy that you can do all these
Speaker 3: different different things with whatnot. That's what I want to
Speaker 3: see for him this year. Gotta stay healthy, Kaje Jefferson
Speaker 3: got to stay healthy as well. But yeah, in terms
Speaker 3: of sheer raw talent, as a runner, he's way way
Speaker 3: up there, and his band of outcomes I think is
Speaker 3: a little bit higher than some of these guys because
Speaker 3: I totally agree with the way you set that up.
Speaker 3: I do think he's got a shot to be the
Speaker 3: first running back taken. I could also see a reality
Speaker 3: some of those other things don't improve. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: he gets nicked up this year, different stuff like that,
Speaker 3: where then you know he's not even a top five
Speaker 3: running back taken. But certainly the.
Speaker 1: Sewan Johnson this year exactly. Yeah, yeah, if he doesn't hit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the testing is going to help Rocket when
Speaker 3: he gets there. There is a reason and they call
Speaker 3: him Rocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so much fun to watch and I've watched
Speaker 1: him Torch my Longhorn, so yeah, I like Rocket. The
Speaker 1: rest of the guys that we have on the list
Speaker 1: here Thor and you know, feel free to add in
Speaker 1: whoever else you like, but you're just your quick thoughts
Speaker 1: on Trayvon Henderson from ohiose Sate, Trey Benson from FSU,
Speaker 1: Will Shipley from Clemson, and Jase McLellan from Alabama. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are the guys we have on the list. There's
Speaker 1: other backs too, Like you said, this class feels much
Speaker 1: deeper than last year's class.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Trey Benson, you you know, in
Speaker 3: some ways he's comparable to the guy that we were
Speaker 3: just talking about right in terms of the size, in
Speaker 3: terms of the speed, I think Trey bents is gonna
Speaker 3: break out this year. Last year, he you know, cause
Speaker 3: he finished last year with nine hundred some yards total
Speaker 3: over the course of the season. But he had to
Speaker 3: split carries with Treyshawn Ward and he had to split
Speaker 3: the usage whatnot. Trey Shawn Ward after last year season
Speaker 3: was like, Yeah, that guy's way better than me. I
Speaker 3: got to go to Kansas State so I can be
Speaker 3: the RB one. Whatnot. Trey Ben's are going to break
Speaker 3: out this year, you know nationally. I like his no
Speaker 3: nonsense sort of running style where he's not looking to
Speaker 3: dance around or anything. It's the same thing like I
Speaker 3: was talking about with Rocket, Like he's looking for that
Speaker 3: straight line and he's going to burst through it, and
Speaker 3: you got a problem once he gets it into the
Speaker 3: second level. One minor concern with Benson is he's a
Speaker 3: big kid. In terms of he's six foot one. I
Speaker 3: think he's two fifteen, or he might have even gotten
Speaker 3: up to two twenty at this point. But he does
Speaker 3: run a little bit high. That effects sometimes the contact balance,
Speaker 3: it effects sometimes the agility. He's not a joystick guy.
Speaker 3: He's the one cut dude. But yeah, when he gets
Speaker 3: that head of steam, you got a problem. I like
Speaker 3: Shipley a lot, you know, as far as a guy
Speaker 3: who has multifaceted skills, and he is going into a
Speaker 3: really advantageous situation this year with Garrett Riley taking over
Speaker 3: as offensive coordinator. Garrett Riley a guy that took the
Speaker 3: TCU offense to another level. I don't think TCU plays
Speaker 3: in the National title game last year if Garrett Riley
Speaker 3: was not running that offense. And it's an offense where
Speaker 3: it's split right, it's balanced. You know, Kendray Miller did
Speaker 3: really good in that even their backup running back when
Speaker 3: he was and last year for TCU did really good.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna get advantageous looks. The defense also has
Speaker 3: to respect the downfield passing the shots that they take there,
Speaker 3: so you can't load up the box on them like
Speaker 3: teams were doing two years ago when DJU couldn't hit
Speaker 3: the broad side of a barn. Now they have Kay Klubnick,
Speaker 3: So you better respect k Klubnick as a thrower that
Speaker 3: should help out Shipley the other guys. Travion Henderson. It's
Speaker 3: funny my take on Travion Henderson as a draft prospect.
Speaker 3: It's my same take as Travon Henderson. From a betting perspective,
Speaker 3: I'm on the Travon Henderson overs, which were set pretty
Speaker 3: low by the books over the summer. And the only
Speaker 3: reason is it's a bet that he stays healthy off season.
Speaker 3: He's gonna fly over his prop number if he does.
Speaker 3: He has to stay healthy. Last year was a super
Speaker 3: snake been year, not only for him. It was like,
Speaker 3: you know, a plague, a biblical plague of injuries at
Speaker 3: the Ohio State backfield. The Mayan Williams kid was nicked up.
Speaker 3: It got the third string guy was out for the
Speaker 3: season before it even started. Things got so bad there
Speaker 3: they had to move Chip Tray and him from linebacker.
Speaker 3: They'd switch him to linebacker. In the middle of the season,
Speaker 3: they had to switch him back to running back because
Speaker 3: they were so short on depth. But if Traveon stays
Speaker 3: healthy this year, he's going to shoot back up there.
Speaker 3: You know, like where he was talked about before was
Speaker 3: obviously tremendous as a true freshman. I really like Travion's cuts.
Speaker 3: That's what I think about when I think about him.
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys where you know, it's like
Speaker 3: the Mattador thing of like now I'm here, you know,
Speaker 3: now I'm there. He gets guys to whiff like that.
Speaker 3: He's also because of that, that sort of the violent
Speaker 3: cuts whatnot able to change the angles of defenders coming
Speaker 3: in on him. And he has good contact balance as well,
Speaker 3: so if you don't hit him flush, he's going to
Speaker 3: bounce off you, and.
Speaker 1: With balance is tough to It's tough to defer.
Speaker 3: Traveon Henderson at his full power. There's a reason that
Speaker 3: heading into last year everyone was like, this kid could
Speaker 3: be a first round pick someday because he was so
Speaker 3: dominant as a freshman. He already showed you that he's
Speaker 3: a good athlete, et cetera. But yeah, he just has
Speaker 3: to stay healthy because last year the tape put out
Speaker 3: some of those games. He was gotten through it too, right,
Speaker 3: so you didn't see Travion the peak of his powers.
Speaker 3: If he stays healthy this year, he's going to move
Speaker 3: right back into the discussion near the top of this
Speaker 3: running back class.
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on Jace McClellan. I mean, Alabama was always
Speaker 2: sending running backs to the NFL. Does he have a
Speaker 2: chance to be another good one.
Speaker 3: I'm not as big of a fan of Jace McClellan
Speaker 3: as some other guys. Maybe it was the ease that
Speaker 3: you know, he got, and maybe justifiably so that he
Speaker 3: got shoved aside by Jremier Gibbs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: He has some skill, and he certainly has NFL size.
Speaker 3: He's going to be, you know, above the threshold I
Speaker 3: think by the time he gets there five to eleven,
Speaker 3: two twelve. But I'm curious what kind of an athlete
Speaker 3: he is at that size. He's certainly not as skilled
Speaker 3: as Gibbs. I tend to think that Alabama is going
Speaker 3: to have more of a committee this year, you know,
Speaker 3: as opposed to what they had last year, going to
Speaker 3: go back to a couple of years ago where you're
Speaker 3: using a couple of different guys. I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but I'm just a little bit lower on McClellan heading
Speaker 3: into the season.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to wide receiver Thorr. I don't
Speaker 2: want to bury the lead here. Well, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess Caleb Williams is the lead, but you know, we're
Speaker 2: pretty excited about Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 3: How can you not be.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, Ohio State doesn't have just
Speaker 2: one uh great wide receiver. Of course, you've got a
Speaker 2: Mecha Buca right behind him. So let's let's like, let's
Speaker 2: start with those guys. They're that the show stoppers in
Speaker 2: this wide receiver group. I mean, Harrison conceivable. He could
Speaker 2: be the second pick in the NFL draft and probably
Speaker 2: one oh two in every rookie draft for.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll say top three. But yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to say a guy's like
Speaker 3: a front runner to go there like heading into the season,
Speaker 3: because things can happen. Of course, you don't know which
Speaker 3: teams are going to be picking there. But this guy's
Speaker 3: a different kind of wide receiver prospect than we've seen
Speaker 3: for a long time. He runs in the four threes,
Speaker 3: and he's six foot four and he's big. He's also agile,
Speaker 3: and he's freaking Marvin Harrison's kid. That kid run routes
Speaker 3: like it's not just you know, some of these super
Speaker 3: freak athletes that we see who are big like that,
Speaker 3: and he basically Randy Moss size. He is not the
Speaker 3: size of his father. He is his father but stretched
Speaker 3: out way bigger, but just as athletic. Some of those guys.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you know, we're sort of talking
Speaker 3: about this with the quarterbacks, right, like Spencer Rallery, He's
Speaker 3: always had such a big arm and so you just
Speaker 3: trust it, so he'll just chuck it or quin you
Speaker 3: were the same thing, like I don't need to pay
Speaker 3: you know, mine to my mechanics. I I can just
Speaker 3: flick at whatever. Some of these receivers that are so
Speaker 3: physically dominant. You always wondered about the route running. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is before my time, although I was watching this
Speaker 3: draft and from Minnesota and rooting like mad for the
Speaker 3: Vikings to get Randy Moss for him to fall down.
Speaker 3: But you guys, you know, one of the the biggest
Speaker 3: nitpick on Randy Moss coming out. It was the character thing,
Speaker 3: which turned out to be totally special.
Speaker 1: Why he was at Marshall instead of Florida State or
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, But the other part of it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: Randy doesn't run refined routes, Like it's just like you know,
Speaker 3: throw it up to him and he'll catch that. But like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're not sure he can do the other stuff.
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison could do all this stuff, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean that wasn't fair necessarily with Moss, but like that
Speaker 3: won't even be a question with Marvin Harrison. He also
Speaker 3: has really good hands. I mean really, the only question
Speaker 3: with him this year is does the quarterback play at
Speaker 3: Ohio State drop off? And you going for CJ. Stroud
Speaker 3: to McCord. But if McCord's even you know, ninety percent
Speaker 3: of what Stroud was, Harrison's gonna get all the looks
Speaker 3: he needs. And from a physical ability perspective, it's just
Speaker 3: like I said, different thing. He is a unicorn wide
Speaker 3: receiver prospect, absolutely has a shot to go top three.
Speaker 3: I would be stunned if he is not a top
Speaker 3: five pick next year.
Speaker 2: What about his teammate, Yeah, Buka, who maybe a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't know that. Well, so maybe you just
Speaker 2: give us an overview of his game for the uninitiated.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean it's it's funny, right because you're
Speaker 3: playing across from this general unicorn type prospect whatnot. But
Speaker 3: Buka is a stud as well. Really well built kid.
Speaker 3: Not as lanky and stretched out as Harrison, but six'
Speaker 3: one two oh five very He's a solid route runner.
Speaker 3: He's a very very good athlete. And the other thing
Speaker 3: I like about him, especially at that size, he wins downfield,
Speaker 3: and not only that, he wins in traffic, so he
Speaker 3: can win at every level of the field. He's good
Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands after the catch, different
Speaker 3: stuff like that. If he wasn't on Marvin Harrison's team,
Speaker 3: he'd be the bell of the ball. It's just, you know,
Speaker 3: he gets a little overshadowed there, you know. It's you know,
Speaker 3: one of the reasons that that Jamison Williams a couple
Speaker 3: years ago had to flee out of there so we
Speaker 3: could be seen in Tuscle so you can get some
Speaker 3: balls whatever. Now obviously not as bad for a book,
Speaker 3: have been on the field, been dominant, but yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the only thing. You're sort of in the shadow there.
Speaker 3: But he's very gifted. It's just a little bit slightly different,
Speaker 3: different type of receiver than Harrison. They go together really well,
Speaker 3: sort of like the Michigan running backs we were talking
Speaker 3: about before.
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Speaker 1: and to claim your prize. There are so many good
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this class. You mentioned the top two.
Speaker 1: We have guys like Malik Neighbors from LSU, Romeo Say
Speaker 1: from Washington, one of your boys, j Michael Sturtevant from UCLA,
Speaker 1: Malachai Corley from wk You and my boys, Davy, you
Speaker 1: are worthy. I mean it is. It seems good and deep.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of great wide receiver talent
Speaker 1: coming out. This is a big reason why we're at
Speaker 1: telling people you don't want to trade those first round
Speaker 1: picks because even if you don't get this generational talent
Speaker 1: of you know, Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison and Edbuka,
Speaker 1: there is still a lot of talent on this board.
Speaker 1: These wide receivers, I mean, they would have been pretty
Speaker 1: high in this class, maybe over some of the guys
Speaker 1: that just got drafted. So how do you kind of
Speaker 1: filter through and who do you like out of this group.
Speaker 3: There's a minimum three guys in this coming class that
Speaker 3: easily would have been wide receiver one in the last class,
Speaker 3: and the number may end up being higher. I'm being
Speaker 3: a little bit conservative there, and I'm not going out
Speaker 3: on a limb either. Like I said before, like this
Speaker 3: receiver class, we're going back to pre last year, and
Speaker 3: so I totally agree with your guys's tape from like
Speaker 3: the Dynasty perspective or the DeBie perspective. You know, however,
Speaker 3: people out there are doing it. You know, as far
Speaker 3: as the neighbors I really like. And he's not in
Speaker 3: an advantageous situation necessarily for him because, uh Jade Daniels,
Speaker 3: the quarterback there is not a great thrower. He's improved
Speaker 3: a bit since Arizona State. But you know, laj, I
Speaker 3: don't have the numbers in front of me of the
Speaker 3: the market share he had. But like you know, he
Speaker 3: was on a team with with Kay sham Butte who
Speaker 3: heading into the year everyone thought it was gonna be
Speaker 3: a first round pick and they had Dray Jenkins, a
Speaker 3: guy that got an NFL contract after the season. Those
Speaker 3: guys were on milk cartons, you know, with with malite Neighbors,
Speaker 3: just clearly establishing himself as wide receiver one. And I
Speaker 3: don't think k Shaan Bute was super duper happy about that,
Speaker 3: But it's like, bro, this is a qualitative thing. This
Speaker 3: isn't like we don't we don't like you. I think
Speaker 3: it's one of the reasons why after the season, Butte
Speaker 3: initially wanted to return to LSU and Brian Kelly's like,
Speaker 3: now we you know you can go to the next level.
Speaker 3: They have Neighbors as a true blue wide receiver one guy,
Speaker 3: and then they were able to flesh it out the
Speaker 3: receiving core with guys that are going to be good
Speaker 3: compliments and accept that they're good compliments to a guy
Speaker 3: in the league. Neighbors that I think will go in
Speaker 3: round one. Last year, he had over a thousand receiving
Speaker 3: yard seventy two catches on a team that did not
Speaker 3: have a super duper accurate quarterback or a natural pocket
Speaker 3: passing quarterback. This year it should be more. I mean,
Speaker 3: like his stats are going to take up in direct
Speaker 3: relation to any improvements Daniels can make as a thrower,
Speaker 3: but they're certainly going to be going to him early
Speaker 3: and often. The one thing he could get nit picked
Speaker 3: about for last year and maybe you could even say
Speaker 3: that the year before he only had three touchdowns. Last
Speaker 3: year over seventy two catches. But what I would tell
Speaker 3: people is that that sort of goes back to the
Speaker 3: prerogative of you know, not letting Daniels throw around the
Speaker 3: goal lite different stuff like that, like he just running
Speaker 3: with him and different stuff like that. So big fan
Speaker 3: of neighbors, and he's at the six foot two hundred
Speaker 3: pound threshold and he's a sick athlete as well as
Speaker 3: far as the other guys. Who do you want to
Speaker 3: talk about? Next box with the Worthy?
Speaker 1: Of course I want to hear about Worthy and your take.
Speaker 3: I'm curious your take, bagman. Uh, the his freshman year
Speaker 3: so impressive, Like you know, when you see him there,
Speaker 3: it was like, I mean, I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is going too far. You tell me, Bobman, what you
Speaker 3: think you've seen a lot of This kid reminds you
Speaker 3: of Hollywood Brown of bed and if you if you
Speaker 3: want to be more conservative, you could say Tank Dell.
Speaker 3: But there's a shot he might even be better than that.
Speaker 3: He's one of the He's like a jitterbug receiver. But
Speaker 3: it's just impossible to stay with that kid, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like DeShawn Jackson. Mold is what you like, Deshaun
Speaker 1: Jackson with better you know routes. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson a guy a lot like Randy Moss. You
Speaker 1: don't need Chris Brotz. He snaps him off so hard
Speaker 1: no one can. He gets all the separation, right, that's
Speaker 1: what you want from Worthy. What he struggled with last
Speaker 1: year was drops drive and yeah, and and that hurts, right,
Speaker 1: and that can hurt your draft stock. But this guy,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a big playmaker. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to be too much of a you know,
Speaker 1: ten catches for one hundred yards. He's going to be
Speaker 1: a five catch for one hundred and twenty five and
Speaker 1: two scores. Or he's going to be a three for
Speaker 1: twenty seven guy. Right, He's going to be a boomer
Speaker 1: bust player at least early in his career, I think.
Speaker 1: But I also think there's more meat on the bone
Speaker 1: for him to grow and potentially become better at the
Speaker 1: possession part and you know, beat Devin Dubernet on steroids
Speaker 1: here long horns.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's what I like about him is he's going
Speaker 1: to be a big play dude.
Speaker 3: For sure. He absolutely needs to correct the drops and
Speaker 3: the handsling this year, but he's got a really good
Speaker 3: shot to do it because last year is playing through
Speaker 3: a broken hand, and we didn't know that at the time,
Speaker 3: but it's like when you know that context after the fact,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh the thing. I was getting frustrated at
Speaker 3: him for all season, like not only is it explainable,
Speaker 3: but then you almost tick him a positive in it
Speaker 3: because he played through that. Right last year, Texas had
Speaker 3: a different wide receiver situation than certainly they're going to
Speaker 3: have this coming season because you know Boxes, you know,
Speaker 3: Isaiah and Nayer, the kid that they were counting on team,
Speaker 3: one of those starters from Wyoming out for the season
Speaker 3: before it even starts. They had the young tight end
Speaker 3: who we're going to talk about in a little bit.
Speaker 3: They needed the weapons and so they you know, Worthy
Speaker 3: stayed on the field, never complained to the point where
Speaker 3: we didn't even know he had a broken ye. People
Speaker 3: were nitpicking him. Look if I'm Zavier Worthy at that point,
Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, I know you're upset about the draft.
Speaker 3: I'm playing through a freaking broken hand. I don't need
Speaker 3: to be out there. I'm playing through a broken hand.
Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good for a guy with a broken hand.
Speaker 3: But like the separation thing, it goes out saying and
Speaker 3: you know the hand is now back to full health.
Speaker 3: I assume that is going to correct most of the
Speaker 3: drop stuff. And this year, defenses can't lock into him
Speaker 3: like they've they've been doing these past couple of years
Speaker 3: where he got all the you know, the usage and
Speaker 3: the targets. You know, we're just going to him the
Speaker 3: volume whatnot. Because Texas has at least three starting caliber,
Speaker 3: high end power five wide receivers on a roster. So
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not getting word the off the field,
Speaker 3: but the other guys that are out there with him
Speaker 3: and three with Sanders right, like, you have all these
Speaker 3: different options. You're not gonna be able to double team
Speaker 3: Zavier Worthy in the same way he did before.
Speaker 1: Do you like it? Who else do you have the
Speaker 1: most hope for out of the rest of that.
Speaker 3: Group, Well, one guy got a shout out is Malachi Corley.
Speaker 3: I think it's easy for people to discount the G
Speaker 3: five guys and the G five guys that are in
Speaker 3: air raid systems and put up the Bazuka numbers and
Speaker 3: just be like, oh, you know, he's a G five guy.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you guys, the NFL really likes Malachai Corley.
Speaker 3: He has a second round grade heading into the year
Speaker 3: by Blesto. He's built really well, you know, it's just
Speaker 3: a shade right around five to eleven, but two hundred
Speaker 3: and eleven pounds, so he's really fortified, really good hands.
Speaker 3: He can obviously handle ridiculous usage, and he's really creative
Speaker 3: after the catch. So I like his routes and his
Speaker 3: game is going to translate pretty cleanly to the NFL
Speaker 3: as a minimum a super duper high efficiency guy. So
Speaker 3: I like his game and don't sleep on him. You know,
Speaker 3: when you see him putting up the Pezuka numbers with Reid,
Speaker 3: and there was a guy from Western Kentucky, a couple
Speaker 3: of you know Sterns that put up the enormous numbers.
Speaker 3: But Sterns, you know, was smaller. He also wasn't as athletic.
Speaker 3: I just want to tell people out there, it is
Speaker 3: a different thing with Corley. He is a legitimate NFL prospect,
Speaker 3: not offense going to play.
Speaker 1: Jones is one of those guys, and he's still playing
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know a guy that was an
Speaker 1: air raid system, he see you. Guy set the record
Speaker 1: for receptions in a season and he's still a good player.
Speaker 1: But he got discounted coming into the draft because he
Speaker 1: played in his system. So I'm with you for sure.
Speaker 1: And I love saying fortified for a guy who's got
Speaker 1: a thick frame. I love that phrasing. Though.
Speaker 3: I'm a big boy, so we try to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm extra fortified exactly. That is what I would say.
Speaker 2: What about the guy who's going to be anchoring your
Speaker 2: Pac twelve fantasy team this year, Romo Dunes?
Speaker 3: He yeah, I tell us about him.
Speaker 2: I mean, Washington's got a paragod receivers, don't they who
Speaker 2: are both going to be draft eligible?
Speaker 3: I believe they do. Jalen McMillan bey in the other end,
Speaker 3: and actually their third wide receiver a kid coming over
Speaker 3: from Ken State. The NCAA decided to allow him to
Speaker 3: play this year, so thank you for taking to the NCAA.
Speaker 3: But they have a really good third receiver this year
Speaker 3: as well. But yeah, O duns and McMillan are guys
Speaker 3: that are both gonna threaten twelve hundred yards receiving just
Speaker 3: because that team throws for a gajillion yards now with
Speaker 3: with uh uh klea Levoy there whatnot? Yeah, and Penix
Speaker 3: of course you know as the quarterback. And you know,
Speaker 3: the NFL is very interested in both those dudes. And
Speaker 3: they're guys that you can play different spots in the formation.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The Boord, he's he's so good, you know, not only
Speaker 3: system wise, but like you just see guys as games
Speaker 3: there on the offensive side of his teams. They just
Speaker 3: jump up, jump up, jump up like anyone he's ever
Speaker 3: sort of been around. It's like, you know, the mics
Speaker 3: touched with it and and so both those guys, yeah,
Speaker 3: are absolutely on the NFL radar. Dunsay above McMillan for sure.
Speaker 3: Blessed though gave Dunes a heading into the year round
Speaker 3: three grade, but they gave McMillan around four. But you know,
Speaker 3: you're you're you're talking about guys, both of those guys.
Speaker 3: The NFL likes a Dunsay almost six ' three, just
Speaker 3: a shade under two twenty. I see his last forty
Speaker 3: he ran they got a confirmation round was four four eight. Uh,
Speaker 3: McMillan just a little bit shorter, just a shade under
Speaker 3: six to one. He's a shade under one ninety and
Speaker 3: his last forty time was four or five flat. So
Speaker 3: a Duneesa is just a bit more physically gifted. But
Speaker 3: both those guys are becoming more and more skilled and
Speaker 3: dominant receivers in that system for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should we talk about j Michael Sturt event And
Speaker 2: by the way, we've got some big, like old fashioned
Speaker 2: AJ green X receivers in this class. I love it.
Speaker 3: Heck yo, we do. Sturd Evan First of all, I
Speaker 3: want to tell people about stur Van. The JA it
Speaker 3: stands for Junior. His dad's name was Michael, and instead
Speaker 3: of just calling him, you know, Junior, you know at
Speaker 3: the end or what they you know, big Mike, little Mike,
Speaker 3: they just put the J at the beginning. So you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's just you know, for people's trivia out there.
Speaker 3: But to your point, fits about the size kid last year,
Speaker 3: red shirt freshman. He is now you know, heading into
Speaker 3: his thirty year on campus, but he has more eligibility
Speaker 3: years six three to two h five already very big kid.
Speaker 3: Cal last year forced all this usage to him and
Speaker 3: he broke out like he really opened my eyes. The
Speaker 3: question with him, it's similar to Xavier Worthy, only he
Speaker 3: doesn't have the broken hand excuse. He drops balls all right.
Speaker 3: Like last year. His his drop rate was I think
Speaker 3: even more elevated than Worthies. My one concern, however, the
Speaker 3: thing I'll say in his defense was last year he
Speaker 3: was very clearly the wide receiver one on Cal. A
Speaker 3: lot of targets were forced his way, sometimes not in
Speaker 3: very advantageous situations, and also sometimes you feel like you
Speaker 3: got to play hero ball there a little bit and
Speaker 3: different stuff like that. But a concerning drop rate for him,
Speaker 3: fourteen point five percent, that thing's got to get cut
Speaker 3: five to six percent, you know, I mean anything when
Speaker 3: he gets into the double did it becomes a concern.
Speaker 3: You can't be at fourteen and a half going into
Speaker 3: the NFL, or you're going to get the red flag
Speaker 3: for the hand thing. But again, he has time to
Speaker 3: go here the ideal, ideal NFL frame, and he has
Speaker 3: the athleticism. He's also a skilled route runner as well.
Speaker 3: Now he moves to UCLA, he goes from sort of
Speaker 3: the one man show at cal To. Now at UCLA
Speaker 3: they can do different stuff. I realize that Dorrian Thomson
Speaker 3: Robinson left. I actually think this coming year without Dory
Speaker 3: Thoms Robinson, without Zach Sharberney, the UCLA is going to
Speaker 3: match the win out point from Dorrian thoms Robinson's best
Speaker 3: ever season. I don't think UCLA falls off whatsoever. And
Speaker 3: the reason is because of every position, not those two. Right,
Speaker 3: Like the receiving corps is really really good. Their offensive
Speaker 3: line is going to be better than it's been these
Speaker 3: last couple of years. And this will be the best
Speaker 3: defense that Chip Kelly has a UCLA in that better
Speaker 3: sort of scenario for a third event and not facing
Speaker 3: the double teams and as much of the focus from
Speaker 3: the opposing defense. I just want to see him clean
Speaker 3: up the drops. I think he can.
Speaker 2: But we got to see it now, all right, in
Speaker 2: the few minutes we have left foror we got to
Speaker 2: talk about tight end because if it's not enough that
Speaker 2: we've got iconic mega prospects at quarterback and wide receiver,
Speaker 2: we've won a tight end too. Rock Powers of Georgia,
Speaker 2: who I think fantasy people, dynasty people have been waiting
Speaker 2: for since he was a freshman.
Speaker 1: Speaking of salivating, Yeah, when is this kid going to
Speaker 1: be drafted?
Speaker 2: We saw him as a freshman. It's like, wait, we
Speaker 2: can't draft this kid for like a couple more years.
Speaker 1: That's terrible.
Speaker 2: Now we're finally going to be able to get to
Speaker 2: draft him in twenty twenty four. Tell people about Rock Powers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a kid his first two years on campus for
Speaker 3: a team that obviously won the national title both times,
Speaker 3: best team in college football both times. First year fifty
Speaker 3: six catchers, eight hundred and eighty two yards thirteen twenties,
Speaker 3: fifteen point eight yards per reception. Last year sixty three
Speaker 3: catchers nine hundred and forty two yards, seven touchdowns, fifteen
Speaker 3: yards per per reception. And folks, that's not all. He's
Speaker 3: like the Deebo Samuel of tight ends or something I
Speaker 3: don't even know.
Speaker 1: Like the guy run sweeps with them. Yeah, all that awesome.
Speaker 3: You can move them around, you know, like in different
Speaker 3: feel like the defense will tip a tandy you every
Speaker 3: time you got brock bars you move them around the
Speaker 3: formation defense has to pay attention to. They're gonna tip
Speaker 3: off whether they're in man or they're in zone. And
Speaker 3: like the guy who's gonna be on him you can
Speaker 3: get you know, it's like sort of like the gravitational
Speaker 3: pull type thing where then the other guys on offense
Speaker 3: they're gonna get more space because of ours and being
Speaker 3: more aviotated situations. But yeah, you know, like we're saying,
Speaker 3: you bring him back into the backfield, he'll be a
Speaker 3: lead blocker for you if you want, or you can
Speaker 3: run the end around soom you hand the ball off
Speaker 3: to him around the goal line. Data all sorts of
Speaker 3: interesting things with them. Georgia's offensive staff, it wasn't thought of,
Speaker 3: is like, you know, doing all these creative things. But
Speaker 3: brock Bauers is so skilled from right from the start.
Speaker 3: Right today he walked on a campus, it was like,
Speaker 3: we need to figure out all these creative ways to
Speaker 3: get him the ball. So you're gonna see that again
Speaker 3: this coming season. The ender rounds the handoffs, getting creative
Speaker 3: with him around the goal line, certainly moving around the formation,
Speaker 3: just in terms of receiving way up there. Right from
Speaker 3: the guys we've seen the last decade. You guys know
Speaker 3: how much I like Dalton Kinkaid. Dalton Kinkaid like the
Speaker 3: hands in the downfield thing you know, in the body
Speaker 3: control really special. But brock Bauer is it's like everything special,
Speaker 3: like not the you know, the the you know, like
Speaker 3: he's not like an inline guy who's gonna maul the
Speaker 3: defensive ends, but everything from the receiving and with the
Speaker 3: ball in his hand, different stuff like that. It's just
Speaker 3: something different than we've seen from tight ends, you know,
Speaker 3: these past few years. So he will be Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, it's clearly the tight end one with a
Speaker 3: bullet in the Dynasty drafts. But you're gonna draft him
Speaker 3: even higher than you drafted Dalton Kinkaid.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's a better pass catching tight end
Speaker 2: prospect than Kyle Pitts, who had twelve touchdowns in eight
Speaker 2: games in his last year in college.
Speaker 3: I would say different, right, Like Kyle Pitts, he had
Speaker 3: that sort of unprecedented combination of the frame and then
Speaker 3: the downfield speed. So he scares you more, probably just
Speaker 3: you know, just in a one off scenario. But brock
Speaker 3: Bauers is awesome downfield too. He might not quite be
Speaker 3: the athlete. He's not as big, right, like he's brock
Speaker 3: Bowers six foot four, two forty and those might even
Speaker 3: be a little bit elevated. We'll have to see. You know,
Speaker 3: he wants to keep putting on weight, but he can
Speaker 3: absolutely win downfield. He can win and contested situations go up,
Speaker 3: you know, turn a fifty to fifty ball way more
Speaker 3: in your favor. And then the stuff in the intermediate
Speaker 3: route and then you know, unlike other guys, the short
Speaker 3: area stuff, it's not just the catching that the efficiency
Speaker 3: brings there. But again you can give them all the
Speaker 3: running usage and different stuff like that. So I'd say
Speaker 3: he's different than Pits. And now we have a couple
Speaker 3: of years on Pits, so you know, your sort of
Speaker 3: kneejerk reaction is to put Bowers above him, quitatively, but
Speaker 3: I just think they're they're different, right, Yeah, both awesome prospects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you said it with the ball in his
Speaker 2: hands like he is a he's like a Debo Kittle
Speaker 2: mash up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He can like run by you, he can run over you.
Speaker 2: He's just like so good had been. Uh, Fox, you
Speaker 2: have to you have to ask Thor about your guy
Speaker 2: from Texas. I'm not going to, you know, let Thor
Speaker 2: go before we address your guy the long hearts.
Speaker 1: Who is your number two tight end and why is
Speaker 1: it Jatavian Sanders. Uh.
Speaker 3: It is Jatavian Sanders heading out of the year for sure,
Speaker 3: and a guy that the Dynasty players are you know,
Speaker 3: should be really interested in. He's around the same size
Speaker 3: at Bowers, just slightly, you know, listed six four two
Speaker 3: forty three. Really really good athlete and skilled as a receiver.
Speaker 3: What was so interesting last year was they had the
Speaker 3: the transfer came over from Alabama. He was he got
Speaker 3: put so much on a milk cart and I don't
Speaker 3: even remember his name. He ended up declaring for the
Speaker 3: draft that he didn't get picked because Jatavian Sanders just
Speaker 3: ran him off the field. I'm blanket on the kid's
Speaker 3: name right now. I can't remember. Yeah. Billings Julia Billingsley,
Speaker 3: a kid who had played at Alabama before and Texas
Speaker 3: had pursued in in the portal and Billingsley had, you
Speaker 3: know a couple of things off the feet or whatnot.
Speaker 3: But that's not the reason he wasn't playing over Sanders.
Speaker 3: He wasn't playing awesome. Christanders is very clearly better than
Speaker 3: him and just another weapon for yours there. You add
Speaker 3: him to the four wide receivers I was talking about before.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be able to you know, have you know
Speaker 3: the double team Sanders, You're not able to put like
Speaker 3: your best coverage Guyan Sanders. She's a matchup problem for
Speaker 3: whoever encounters him. And it's going to be all the
Speaker 3: more so this year. Galloping in space, different stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it. That is your base. Everyone. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much to Thor for joining us today on
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