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Speaker 2: Now, then we got that out of the way.
Speaker 3: I have a Navy seal, former twenty year veteran author
Speaker 3: of a book coming out called Leadership is Overrated.
Speaker 2: Kyle Bucket. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. Yes,
Speaker 2: did I hit that Navy seal twenty year mark? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty years in the military. I retired just over twenty years.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you do twenty years a month
Speaker 2: and a day essentially, right.
Speaker 3: So you're super young looking and super in shape looking
Speaker 3: and totally you know, good to go.
Speaker 2: It's funny. It's funny, you know. Like I grew up
Speaker 2: just north of New York City, across the river from
Speaker 2: West Point Military Academy, and so I was accustomed to,
Speaker 2: you know, being around the army until one day I'm
Speaker 2: like seventeen years old and my dad comes home from
Speaker 2: work and he's like, hey, Kyle, we you love you know,
Speaker 2: everything around the water. You love being around rivers, lakes, oceans,
Speaker 2: you name it. And this is the nineties, by the way, right,
Speaker 2: And there wasn't a lot of information out there, but
Speaker 2: there was a little book by Dick Mark Chinko that
Speaker 2: was in existence, but I had never heard of it
Speaker 2: because all I knew was Chuck Norris, and I wanted
Speaker 2: and I wanted to be Chuck Norris. That's what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do, and my dad comes home one night
Speaker 2: and gives me this book. I'm seventeen, and I stay
Speaker 2: up till five o'clock in the morning pounding through this book,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 2: I want to be a Navy seal. So fast forward
Speaker 2: to your young comming. I appreciate it. By the way,
Speaker 2: I think you.
Speaker 3: Know you got you got the Disney going on. You
Speaker 3: can work a full day on set and still get
Speaker 3: away with looking young. You know, to say it, I
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thanks brother, no child labor la. I received that. Well,
Speaker 3: anybody yes, their hair, it's the hair.
Speaker 2: What do you try to say? What are you trying
Speaker 2: to say about hair?
Speaker 3: I unfollically challenged. Unlike you think opposites a track, my friend,
Speaker 3: I'll take even so, so I'm you know, I'm seventeen.
Speaker 3: I fall in love with this concept of being a
Speaker 3: Navy seal. And so my parents, however, would not sign
Speaker 3: because you know, if you're seventeen, you need parental consent.
Speaker 3: So literally, fast forward a couple months later, I'm sitting
Speaker 3: on the doorstep of the Navy recruiter's office at seven
Speaker 3: fifty five am. Waiting for them. It's my eighteenth birthday
Speaker 3: and I'm waiting for them. I'm skipping school, waiting for
Speaker 3: them to open up the door. And I literally signed
Speaker 3: the dotted line that morning, my eighteen today, this is
Speaker 3: what I want to do and then let's go on in,
Speaker 3: let's go and so, uh, you know I and I
Speaker 3: never looked back. I mean, I was this is what
Speaker 3: I wanted to do. That's what I was going to
Speaker 3: go do, right. But my point is is I was
Speaker 3: eighteen when I joined. So you recommend do you recommend
Speaker 3: to somebody who's seventeen years old in the same shoes
Speaker 3: that you were?
Speaker 2: Thinking? What do I want to be?
Speaker 3: And they read Dick Martinko's book, Marcinko's book, you know,
Speaker 3: the Seal Teams, And you know, I think that's that's
Speaker 3: a good, you know, gateway to getting in.
Speaker 2: Well, oh now we're gonna get deep brother. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: yes and no, and know in the fact that you
Speaker 2: really and you know, I was an instructor. Later on
Speaker 2: in my career, I did a couple of hell weeks,
Speaker 2: as you know, a senior chief, and you know the
Speaker 2: difference between the guys that make it through and the
Speaker 2: guys that don't, I believe is the guys that make
Speaker 2: it through were never truly lying to themselves, right, So
Speaker 2: and only you know that, only you know if you're
Speaker 2: really really doing it and you're gonna give everything you've
Speaker 2: got to make it through, you're gonna put it all
Speaker 2: on the line and get everything you got, or you're
Speaker 2: lying to yourself and you're not right and you're gonna
Speaker 2: give up. So I mean, yes, if you're being honest
Speaker 2: with yourself, like, hey, I'm gonna do whatever it takes.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. You know, you've had multiple guests
Speaker 2: on the show, you know across all of the different
Speaker 2: agencies and groups within SOCOM, and you know all of
Speaker 2: the courses and what it takes to make it become
Speaker 2: a you know, within socom. If you're lying to yourself
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna give it everything it takes, you're
Speaker 2: gonna quit. And here's what I'm meant to say, is
Speaker 2: every single one of those guests, I'm sure if you
Speaker 2: were to ask them, myself included, at some point, something
Speaker 2: is going to go wrong with your body, right, Like
Speaker 2: something's going to go wrong with your body. No big
Speaker 2: conversation that we say right, Like nobody gets through unscathed, right, dude.
Speaker 2: I had cellulitis in my knee and my temp my
Speaker 2: body temperature was one hundred and two degrees going into
Speaker 2: Hell week. And I don't say that to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm big, bad, tough guy. Oh you're hurt, You're hurt.
Speaker 2: You're hurt, and every single guy is going to get hurt.
Speaker 2: Like name the guy you've had on any of your
Speaker 2: shows that's like, oh, yeah, I've never been hurt.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, exactly like Major General Doug, Doug, you know,
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, no, everybody has got You give your
Speaker 3: body to the military through the Military Interesting Processor Center.
Speaker 3: MEPs go there as a recruit and they make you
Speaker 3: spread them, drop them, pein a cup. They watch you
Speaker 3: pein a cup, and they literally literally literally watch you
Speaker 3: pein a cup. Okay, and that dude's job, Okay, staring
Speaker 3: at you. Second of all, you got to go through that,
Speaker 3: and then you go into boot camp. And if you
Speaker 3: can get through boot camp without getting injured and unscathed,
Speaker 3: which happens all the time, you could get hurt there, right,
Speaker 3: And then you go from basic to your a T
Speaker 3: or your Advanced training or your next schooling injuries are
Speaker 3: all away.
Speaker 2: You can trip on.
Speaker 3: The curb and hit your head, it's not even like
Speaker 3: doing so, and that you can get hurt. And then
Speaker 3: you come home and you're like, why am I not
Speaker 3: the way I was when I went.
Speaker 2: In right right? And I'm not blasting the military. I
Speaker 2: just want to say that you know, no matter what,
Speaker 2: if you're lying to yourself and you're not going to
Speaker 2: push through that pain or that hurt or that moment
Speaker 2: of depression or anxiety or fear. Funny fact, this is
Speaker 2: actually pretty funny. I don't think I've ever said this
Speaker 2: on a pod before, but dude, when I grew up,
Speaker 2: I was terrified of heights. It's called acrophobia. Like I
Speaker 2: was terrified of heights. And so when I signed the
Speaker 2: dotted line that morning my eighteenth birthday, I come home
Speaker 2: and I was still not I wasn't over heights like
Speaker 2: I was still scared of heights. I was terrified. I
Speaker 2: come home and my mom and dad are like, after
Speaker 2: like the dust settled, and they kicked me out of
Speaker 2: the house for a couple of days, but we all
Speaker 2: come back and hug it out and love each other.
Speaker 2: Like my dad goes, hey, for real, for real, what
Speaker 2: are you going to do about this height thing? And
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean the thing? I
Speaker 2: ride all the rides of the roller coaster? What are
Speaker 2: you talking about? Hype thing? And he's like he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: remember when you were a young kid. We went down
Speaker 2: to the USS Intrepid down in New York City and
Speaker 2: he's like, I couldn't get you outside on the flight
Speaker 2: deck because you were terrified of heights.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm that way on a pier. I get
Speaker 3: losing on a pier with the water around me. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like you feel like, I don't really I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get eaten in the water.
Speaker 2: Sorry, It's like I had a good eat get I
Speaker 2: had a good shark story. Actually we could talk about later,
Speaker 2: but dude, So my parents are like, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do about this height thing? And it goes back
Speaker 2: to your question, right, like if you're lying to yourself,
Speaker 2: if I'm lying in myself in that moment, I'm never
Speaker 2: gonna get past that acrophobia. Like I ain't jumping, I
Speaker 2: ain't even gonna get past the acrophobia. On the obstacle
Speaker 2: course in basic you know, training to become a team guy,
Speaker 2: and so I'll never forget. I'm running the obstacle course
Speaker 2: for the very first time, and I'm looking up at
Speaker 2: that cargo net and I'm like, this is gonna suck.
Speaker 2: I am terrified right now, like this is gonna suck.
Speaker 2: And the whole time, I'm you know, white knuckle in
Speaker 2: the thing. My technique's just gone to out the wayside.
Speaker 2: It's hard save your life, self rescue the whole way up.
Speaker 2: And like, guys are the fast, guys are just like
Speaker 2: right past me, and I'm like just taking my time,
Speaker 2: taking my time. I just watch in my head, I
Speaker 2: start thinking like about the clock. Now, the clocks just
Speaker 2: like tick. My time's getting longer and long, and you
Speaker 2: have to you know, hit a time right sure, But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, back to your question,
Speaker 2: I wasn't lying to myself like I was going to
Speaker 2: give it everything. I had to make it through. So yes,
Speaker 2: guys or gals should do that if they're not truly
Speaker 2: lying in themselves. And no, don't do it, don't waste
Speaker 2: your time, don't become another statistic. If you're lying to
Speaker 2: yourself or in need of the navy, that's.
Speaker 3: The statistic that you're talking about, because if you don't
Speaker 3: make it through your buds, you become if your contract
Speaker 3: is for you know, the buds recruit and you don't
Speaker 3: make it, you become pretty much in need of the
Speaker 3: Navy at that point, and then you're going to have
Speaker 3: to do the job of the Navy's but you didn't.
Speaker 2: Get to choose in the first place. Yeah, well, I'm
Speaker 2: forever grateful. On the flip side of that, though, I'm
Speaker 2: forever grateful for the Navy. I mean, we so quickly
Speaker 2: forget how our naval power is truly what sets us
Speaker 2: apart from the rest of the world, and so I'm
Speaker 2: forever grateful for all those servicemen and women and what
Speaker 2: they're doing.
Speaker 3: So, oh, torpedo starboard aft forty five degrees, flip the wheel,
Speaker 3: one beat down bubble. You know what I'm saying. All
Speaker 3: the Navy. My dad was Navy in Vietnam on a
Speaker 3: Morse code. He was the guy that had a.
Speaker 2: Marine with a bullet with his name on it where
Speaker 2: he would sit in the I think they were on
Speaker 2: a frigate, is what he had called it, a ship
Speaker 2: and the engine had gone sometime on a frigate myself, Yes.
Speaker 3: His engines died and they were in I think Chinese
Speaker 3: waters during noam, and they were just like sitting ducks
Speaker 3: and the Chinese were encroaching on them, and so they
Speaker 3: were just like drifting, burning everything in a boiler. He said,
Speaker 3: they were just throwing everything, burning it all because they
Speaker 3: thought they were going to get boarded and attacked, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And so the marine was on st to like put
Speaker 3: one in him because he's the radio guy and he
Speaker 3: got all of everything. So he told me that and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, whatever faith they had the
Speaker 3: engines started and it just pushed him into like international
Speaker 3: waters or something out of the Chinese waters or whatever
Speaker 3: was going on then and they got away from that situation.
Speaker 3: But you know, dang dude, just I mean the navy,
Speaker 3: the water, you know. I talked to another guest who said,
Speaker 3: rad think about a swim call. You're in the middle
Speaker 3: of the Mariana Trench. Yeah, and you're just like, okay,
Speaker 3: let's jump off, and he's like and this ten thousand
Speaker 3: feet down and he's like, but you're looking around and
Speaker 3: all you realize is it's just you and water and
Speaker 3: the ship, and little by little you're drifting from the ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know they're not going to necessarily
Speaker 2: start the ship while everyone else is swimming in the
Speaker 2: water to come pick you up. Yeah, right, and so
Speaker 2: you kind of have to.
Speaker 3: It's going to maintain, right, I mean, it's right one
Speaker 3: thing diving in another thing.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, oh, now I'm in the drink, right right.
Speaker 2: So this is here's an incredible story. Yeah. The year's
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five. My grandfather, Victor Bucket, is on a
Speaker 2: ship called the USS Indianapolis and they deliver the atomic
Speaker 2: bomb to Tinian Island. After they're done, they're sailing back
Speaker 2: out in a zigzag pattern and they get shot by
Speaker 2: a Japanese torpedo and within a matter of minutes, the
Speaker 2: entire ship goes down in flames. I mean within minutes.
Speaker 2: My grandfather. It was so hot out there in the
Speaker 2: Indian Island that night that my grandfather decides to not
Speaker 2: sleep down below because it was so damn hot. So
Speaker 2: he goes up to near where the captain and the
Speaker 2: quarters master station is and he literally puts a sheet
Speaker 2: out on one of the desks and passes out. The
Speaker 2: ship gets hit. He gets rocked off of a desk
Speaker 2: comes to realizes what's happening, grabs, you know, and they
Speaker 2: and then the abandoned ship call goes out over the
Speaker 2: you know the intercom. Everyone's screaming abandoned ship. But they
Speaker 2: didn't get the Morse code out to US Navy, right,
Speaker 2: and so my grand nobody knows. So my grandfather and
Speaker 2: all the shipmates go running over the side, jumping into
Speaker 2: the water, grabbing what they could in terms of life preservers.
Speaker 2: And dude, they're in the water for five nights, six
Speaker 2: days in the worst US naval history a disaster ever. Ever,
Speaker 2: It's awful. I mean, hell, think about this. If my
Speaker 2: grandfather had slept down below, like I wouldn't be on
Speaker 2: this podcast, right.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I usually say, you're your lineage. You owe your lineage
Speaker 2: who fought to fight you to be here, You owe them.
Speaker 2: And so to your point, you know, they're floating around
Speaker 2: in those depths, and he had shipmates getting you know,
Speaker 2: nudged by tiger sharks, eaten by tiger sharks over the
Speaker 2: It was nuts. It was not dehydration, craz intake from saltwater.
Speaker 2: They get rescued six days later and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: they get they come out of the water and they're like, so,
Speaker 2: how's the war going, and the rescue crews like, guys,
Speaker 2: it's it's over. They're like, what are you talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we dropped the bomb. We dropped that bomb. You guys delivered.
Speaker 2: It's over. And they're like, if you go back in
Speaker 2: history and time, literally the day after the cover of
Speaker 2: New York Times, the cover and the first eighteen pages
Speaker 2: are about you know, obviously the bomb, right, And on
Speaker 2: page eighteen in a little section about this, it says
Speaker 2: USS Indianapolis lost at sea, unknown location, so like no
Speaker 2: one knew about it for years until like the movie
Speaker 2: Jaws came out out. You remember the movie Jaws when
Speaker 2: they're in there that at night and he's talking about
Speaker 2: the USS Indianapolis, Like that kind of resurrected some notoriety
Speaker 2: to the whole story again.
Speaker 3: Brought it back to So Spielberg brought that into the movie, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because he had that affinity for World War two, right,
Speaker 3: like saying private rioting and you know he just loves
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So interesting. Yeah, crazy, Well, that's
Speaker 3: that's a huge piece of story to be attached to.
Speaker 3: And then now Grandpa was navy m HM was dad
Speaker 3: Navy or are we actually let me see if I
Speaker 3: could do this real quick. This is kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Right there, I got.
Speaker 2: A let me see, I got a rack.
Speaker 4: But right there the victory metal, my Grandpa's purple Heart
Speaker 4: and then their eight Battlestar Asia Pacific operations, and then
Speaker 4: they have a presidential citation as well.
Speaker 2: And that is that a dollar bill or a two
Speaker 2: dollar bill up there? It's a two dollars bill that
Speaker 2: he had in his pocket for the entire week, bro
Speaker 2: in the ocean with him and everything the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: two dollars if I want my two dollars pro So
Speaker 2: that'd be a tattoo still to this day. Like I'll
Speaker 2: usually I don't know if I've got one on me,
Speaker 2: but I've got one somewhere in and like I love
Speaker 2: throwing that down to the bar. From time to time.
Speaker 2: You can go to like a bank and like be like, hey,
Speaker 2: I want I want one hundred dollars and two dollars bills,
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, just come back on Thursday, Well
Speaker 2: have it ready for you. Exactly.
Speaker 3: I give kids change at my Airsoft store in two
Speaker 3: dollars bills. I'll be like, here you go. And they
Speaker 3: look at me. They're like, I'm like, like, what is this?
Speaker 3: What is this two dollars bill? You know, it's all
Speaker 3: one thing. It's two dollars. It's one bill, is it what?
Speaker 3: So it's fun to do that. And same with like
Speaker 3: fifty cent pieces, because growing up we had them all
Speaker 3: the time. So I was just like, here you go,
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two, fifty cent piece, So like nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: I was born in two thousand and six, how many
Speaker 2: years is That's awesome? That's great.
Speaker 3: So a lot of what I hear is perseverance from
Speaker 3: your family's lineage, which you know, kind of puts you
Speaker 3: in that same exact spectrum of extreme athlete, decisive decisions
Speaker 3: at critical moments. You're an instructor for Hell Week, which
Speaker 3: is what everybody they made movies g I Jane other
Speaker 3: movies have had. It's all focused on Hell Week for
Speaker 3: the most of Navy seal's job. They don't talk about
Speaker 3: you know this, I don't know. It's just always Hell Week,
Speaker 3: you know, like the worst of it all, like Foho's
Speaker 3: going to carry the boats?
Speaker 2: Sure, full full disclosure. I did it as a guest
Speaker 2: instructor on my last year of service because I had
Speaker 2: never done it. I was actually running, so I was
Speaker 2: like the old guy in the back that the young
Speaker 2: guys didn't really want to see or hear or listen to, and.
Speaker 3: Wasn't having anybody like point them out, like you you,
Speaker 3: I'm talking to you.
Speaker 2: You're like, why why are you talking to me? Man?
Speaker 2: I'm Sandy and sandy and wet. That's what you want, right,
Speaker 2: You want me to use sandy and wet. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: told me to do this. Yeah, And I haven't seen
Speaker 2: you instructor, Senior Chief Bucket, whatever your name is ever before.
Speaker 2: So because I was actually running advanced training. So that's
Speaker 2: where we have the sniper course, the communication courses, our
Speaker 2: free fall course are and twenty two other or twenty
Speaker 2: two total courses where we run all of our advanced training.
Speaker 2: So I was down there, which is also under Center Naval,
Speaker 2: a special Warfare center. But so you can go and
Speaker 2: guest instruct from time to time. Why not during how
Speaker 2: we Yeah, which is pretty I mean you would not
Speaker 2: want to do that? Who wouldn't want to do that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I mean like when I was a basic, I was like,
Speaker 3: I want to be an instructor one day, I want
Speaker 3: to put my knowledge into somebody, you know, and like
Speaker 3: that's awesome.
Speaker 2: They walk around, they're the boss who.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't want to fail that little bit of a power,
Speaker 3: you know. But the thing about a Navy seal that
Speaker 3: I've learned and I've talked with a lot of you guys,
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, and it didn't really dawn on me
Speaker 3: until you said, rad You've talked to all sorts of
Speaker 3: these different folks, right, and it's like, you know, just
Speaker 3: upgrade to downgrade, like learn to educate yourself, to upgrade yourself,
Speaker 3: be that sharp tool that you need to be and
Speaker 3: have all of your Swiss Army Knight functions available if
Speaker 3: you're going to be a multi tool of knowledge and
Speaker 3: just be ready to just move forward. I guess leadership
Speaker 3: is how, you know, growing your knowledge is so smart, right,
Speaker 3: There's so much physical that you can put your body through,
Speaker 3: but that mental toughness is really a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well said, well said. And you know it's
Speaker 2: kind of interesting now, you know, now that I'm retired
Speaker 2: and I get asked a lot from you know, some
Speaker 2: of the companies that I work with or work for
Speaker 2: or invest in et cetera. Is this concept of, hey,
Speaker 2: I want my team to be elite like the Navy Seals.
Speaker 2: And to your point, I kind of joke like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you going to invest ten years of training into
Speaker 2: developing that Seals team to be an elite sales team
Speaker 2: or whatever, an engineering team, et cetera, et cetera, because
Speaker 2: you can't just throw that out there right like, we
Speaker 2: don't go out and go, hey, we're going to hire
Speaker 2: a Navy Seal. We grow them, and everyone's so quick
Speaker 2: to forget that. I mean it takes three years. I
Speaker 2: mean three years to really create if you include you know,
Speaker 2: me walking off the street or someone like a kid
Speaker 2: walking off the street signing up. And then they go
Speaker 2: to boot camp, Then they go to the you know,
Speaker 2: the in doc period. Then they go to buds, Then
Speaker 2: they go to qualification training. Then they go to their
Speaker 2: platoon at a team, and they get in the back
Speaker 2: of the train and they go through an entire workup
Speaker 2: period that lasts another six to nine months with a
Speaker 2: six month professional development cycle on it. Dude, you're at
Speaker 2: three years and then guess what happens is I'm sure
Speaker 2: all your guests have already said, you get overseas, you're
Speaker 2: that brand new guy and you don't really know anything.
Speaker 2: You're still learning. I mean, it takes time. It takes
Speaker 2: time to develop someone into you know, that fierce warrior,
Speaker 2: a tactician. It's you know, three years plus before you're
Speaker 2: on it's really like three years before you're really on
Speaker 2: your very first mission. That's a lot of time.
Speaker 3: And you're still like the FNG, right, because guys have
Speaker 3: already gone through what you're doing. They've already spun up
Speaker 3: on a hot you know, deployment on your time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and now it's your you're coming in because Bill retired
Speaker 3: right right, and they all love Bill, and now you're Bill.
Speaker 3: You're the Bill's replacement and you're not Bill, so I'm Kyle.
Speaker 2: Right. They're like they're like, okay, hi, Kyle, come on in.
Speaker 2: What are we going to name the new guy? And
Speaker 2: then it starts You're spot on you Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 2: when did you think you know you're gonna was it
Speaker 2: when you were in the military you wanted to like
Speaker 2: maybe put knowledge to paper and write something or or
Speaker 2: or give those leadership thoughts, you know obviously, and also
Speaker 2: were you enlisted or officer. I was an e dog
Speaker 2: dirty dog. Enlisted.
Speaker 3: So let's listen to the leadership of an enlisted dirty dog. Okay,
Speaker 3: e dog, dirty dog. That's what I'm saying. Listen, right,
Speaker 3: tactical leader, sure, sure, yeah right? And your job on
Speaker 3: a team. So, for example, my father was an eighteen echo,
Speaker 3: which is a communications expert on a special forces routine.
Speaker 3: What would your job have been on the seal team?
Speaker 2: Kind of like a fox trot echo to a degree,
Speaker 2: it's a little different. But you know, my job early
Speaker 2: in my early career was a breacher, and then it
Speaker 2: turned into navigator, and then it turned into targeting and
Speaker 2: intelligence and collection, and then I mean, I was blessed.
Speaker 2: I had a wonderful career. And I haven't said that yet,
Speaker 2: but like, I was so blessed, man rad I had
Speaker 2: a wonderful career, and very early on, as I look back,
Speaker 2: very early on, I got placed in positions of leadership.
Speaker 2: I think I was at my trying to do the
Speaker 2: math right now my head, I think it was at
Speaker 2: like the seven I haven't really thought about. The thing
Speaker 2: was like at the seven year mark, seven year mark,
Speaker 2: where I first, you know, had a leading petty officer
Speaker 2: position and before that ran departments but you know seven
Speaker 2: years in six seven years in I'm in leadership roles,
Speaker 2: and then for the rest of my career, right, And
Speaker 2: so to answer you fast forward. You know, in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eleven, the Obama administration had tasked US with
Speaker 2: supporting operations in OEF Afghanistan with unconventional warfare, and so
Speaker 2: that's basically working buy through and with you know, the
Speaker 2: local population to establish democracy in the region. Right. And
Speaker 2: so I was a resident expert in the in the
Speaker 2: thought process because of my previous couple of years and
Speaker 2: what I was focused on in Afghanistan and in Southeast Asia.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I get tasked with this and I step
Speaker 2: into a platoon that two weeks prior before I come
Speaker 2: walking in the doors. Two weeks prior to this, they
Speaker 2: had lost Captain America fierce Warrior Brandon Looney, a rock star,
Speaker 2: a stud that everyone just revered and loved and looked
Speaker 2: up to. He was a phenomenal officer and leader that
Speaker 2: everyone just could not wait for him to have his
Speaker 2: shot at being, you know, a platoon commander and being
Speaker 2: in his platoon like the boys loved him, and rightfully,
Speaker 2: so he deserved all of it. And so he gets
Speaker 2: shot down two weeks before this what I'm telling you
Speaker 2: about in Afghanistan, right at the end of their deployment, right,
Speaker 2: so here comes So now fast forward a couple weeks later.
Speaker 2: The guys are still mourning their best buddy, their hero.
Speaker 2: They're rock Star and their fierce warriors, coming off of
Speaker 2: a very kinetic and dynamic deployment in Afghanistan. And then
Speaker 2: I walk, Hey, guys, nice to meet you all. So
Speaker 2: I know some of you a little bit. Uh, hey
Speaker 2: remember where you just were. Uh, We're gonna work buy through.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go back there the people that just killed
Speaker 2: your friend. We're gonna work buy through and with them.
Speaker 2: We're gonna help them develop infrastructure, maybe even some irrigation, wells, roads,
Speaker 2: you know, help a security force, a police force. We're
Speaker 2: gonna be eating with them, sleeping with them, trying to
Speaker 2: establish democracy in the region, you know, the people that
Speaker 2: just killed your best friend. And so in that moment,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, in the in the you know,
Speaker 2: months of time at leading up leading up into our
Speaker 2: getting ready to go, I'm thinking, like, how do I
Speaker 2: change this vibe, this culture of this dynamic to go
Speaker 2: and then change a culture a vibe, a dynamic in
Speaker 2: a foreign nation, right, Like, that's what we're going to
Speaker 2: try and do is impact and change and shift a
Speaker 2: thought process a culture. I was like, but first I
Speaker 2: got to just do that within our own group, Like
Speaker 2: how do I do this? Like? How do I do this?
Speaker 2: And you know, God shined on me, gave me incredible support,
Speaker 2: gave me an incredible team of self led leaders, and
Speaker 2: I just started pulling stuff off the shelves of libraries, like, hey,
Speaker 2: what can I do on organizational culture? Like there there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot on the subject. It's become kind of
Speaker 2: a hot topic nowadays, but there wasn't a lot back
Speaker 2: then on like how do you change mold shift define
Speaker 2: a culture of an organization, a culture of a team
Speaker 2: into what you want it to be. And so back
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, twenty twelve, I got really fascinated with that
Speaker 2: idea and it kind of continued on till present day
Speaker 2: of paying attention to how groups do that, like how
Speaker 2: groups define what they want their culture to be, refine it,
Speaker 2: then implement it and build it, structure it out, and
Speaker 2: then most you know, once you've done all that, how
Speaker 2: do we sustain it? How do we scale it, and
Speaker 2: I got very fascinated with with that idea of like, hey,
Speaker 2: you can do this if you're intentional. If you're intentional,
Speaker 2: you can do this. So that was kind of, sorry,
Speaker 2: a long winded way of answering your question. It Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I wanted that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, and I think that our listener also
Speaker 3: enjoys that long winded wrap around because you brought it home.
Speaker 3: And so the book that you have now, which is leadership,
Speaker 3: is overrated. You know, I do have a question. I
Speaker 3: just want to through act you do you think that
Speaker 3: leadership from the top down or you know, removing that
Speaker 3: leader from the top changes leadership and what they've already
Speaker 3: implemented into the to the subordinates. You know, so is
Speaker 3: it really just like can we just change a president,
Speaker 3: can we just change the CEO and change the culture
Speaker 3: from that person or does it take the whole team
Speaker 3: to realize the culture shift?
Speaker 2: Great question, great question, Yes and no, right, like, yes,
Speaker 2: we can do it if we're intentional, and it's going
Speaker 2: to fail because here's the thing, right, like, everyone's got
Speaker 2: a default culture no matter if you design and build it,
Speaker 2: improve it, sustain it, and it's great or it's bad
Speaker 2: and it's horrific. Like, no matter what, we've all have it,
Speaker 2: we have a default. So it's a matter of hey,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? How are you going to
Speaker 2: support and improve it? So to answer more specifically on
Speaker 2: the thought of a leader, yes, you have to have
Speaker 2: a leader. You have to have someone. And that's what
Speaker 2: we talk about in our book is giving that leader
Speaker 2: the principles to do what we're what we're saying like, hey,
Speaker 2: you can now create and empower and entrust your teams
Speaker 2: to go out and crush it. And here's another here's why. Right,
Speaker 2: And I think and I applaud the Seal teams. We
Speaker 2: do such a great job at what I'm about to
Speaker 2: say of the I wanted to name fun fact, fun
Speaker 2: little side fact. You'll appreciate this, right, I wanted to
Speaker 2: name the book kill the Leader. And then so we're
Speaker 2: going back. We're going back and forth with HarperCollins, who's
Speaker 2: our publisher. Well, they're like, well, I don't know, this
Speaker 2: might be aggressive. We get it, we get it, it
Speaker 2: might be aggressive, dude, no joke. We're going back. I
Speaker 2: literally have like an email thread somewhere and we're going
Speaker 2: back and January sixth, happens, Oh, and the capital gets stormed.
Speaker 2: They're like, and like immediately the very next day they're like, Kyle,
Speaker 2: we uh yeah, we're going with backup title. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't do that.
Speaker 3: It's too much, too close, too close, too too real,
Speaker 3: too real.
Speaker 2: Yes, but what I meant by kill the leader, and
Speaker 2: what we talk about in our book is the Navy
Speaker 2: Seals do an incredible training scenario. Right we're running out
Speaker 2: at a house or in a you know, an urbanized
Speaker 2: combat situation or training scenario, and we will walk up
Speaker 2: to the platoon leader, the troop chief, the platoon commander,
Speaker 2: et cetera, and we'll just whisper in his ear and like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: you just took a gunshot round to the chest or
Speaker 2: to the head. You're down, you're out. You're not allowed
Speaker 2: to say anything, or sometimes you are allowed to say something,
Speaker 2: but you can communicate to your guys. And sometimes will
Speaker 2: be like, hey, you're completely down. And then he'll put
Speaker 2: his you know, he'll save his weapon, lay down, and
Speaker 2: then we'll tell, you know, the guy next to him,
Speaker 2: like hey, this is what just happened. He can't talk,
Speaker 2: so he can't talk back to you, and in that moment,
Speaker 2: something very unique happens. Right, the platoon gets to see
Speaker 2: as the next guy steps up into his place and
Speaker 2: takes over and assumes command or assumes tactical lead or
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. The whole platoon gets to see like, hey,
Speaker 2: does Johnny step up and take over? Does he rise
Speaker 2: to that occasion? Simultaneously, what's also very important is the
Speaker 2: tac leader. The commander gets to see, like, hey, how well,
Speaker 2: how good of a job have I been doing mentoring
Speaker 2: my number two? Have I been really encouraging and empowering
Speaker 2: him and mentoring him? Or have I been just running
Speaker 2: the show, not just keeping everything close hold Brice bowling
Speaker 2: everything and not allowing him to ever step up into
Speaker 2: a leadership role, never being self led it And then
Speaker 2: everyone else gets to see it, right, so the whole
Speaker 2: platoon sees it, and after later on having beers or whatever,
Speaker 2: we all tease each other. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: simultaneously you also get to see, Hey, this guy's ready,
Speaker 2: this individual is ready, or let's tweak some stuff, or
Speaker 2: he's ready. Okay, great now, if he's ready, we can
Speaker 2: worry on. We can start focusing on the number three
Speaker 2: guy and start bringing take him out, and.
Speaker 3: Let's see what number three can do without that guy.
Speaker 3: And what a great ladder system if you will, of like,
Speaker 3: you know, teaching how to lead. I completely agree. Even
Speaker 3: in my own personal business, I have a number two
Speaker 3: and there's a business partner, and then there's a Mitch.
Speaker 2: He runs the shop. Mitch shout out to Mitch.
Speaker 3: I have to and I'm giving him credit because he
Speaker 3: has a credit card for us.
Speaker 2: You know, we gave him that card. It's like you
Speaker 2: have to let go of some of the rains, you know,
Speaker 2: so that you can grow and continue to grow your business.
Speaker 2: Because I can't do everything. I can't keep.
Speaker 3: Getting concessions at Costco because I have to go do
Speaker 3: something else at the bank, you know. So so Mitch
Speaker 3: helps out, and so Mitch can take off that. But
Speaker 3: the trust comes. Here's the here's the card, here's the card.
Speaker 3: You are the operations manager. And he hits me up
Speaker 3: and he talks to me maybe how I sometimes should.
Speaker 2: Hear it right right, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Like a platoon sergeant coming up to you, like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, the men think that maybe pizza would be
Speaker 3: good on Friday.
Speaker 2: On Friday, why don't you just tell me just tell me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: But we have a very good open relationship at our company.
Speaker 3: Everybody feels like they are I call them all managers.
Speaker 3: You're like all your own managers here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3: If someone call that says where's Rad? Say what can
Speaker 3: I do for you? I'm like, really, Rad here, what's up?
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, I just wanted to find out
Speaker 3: about this item. Well, how can I help you?
Speaker 2: Take the call? Yeah that's great, man, I love it.
Speaker 2: And so to the email. Just get it done, close
Speaker 2: the deal, come to an agreement with whoever. Right, right,
Speaker 2: you're empowering and and trusting them to be self flet
Speaker 2: which is what we what we hammer on in the
Speaker 2: book is like, hey, you've been given this opportunity of leadership.
Speaker 2: We're I mean you and I. We live in America, right,
Speaker 2: we were born I was born here. I think you
Speaker 2: were right, Like.
Speaker 3: We're yeah, I am, I am, Yes, we're blessed to
Speaker 3: be born in America as American.
Speaker 2: I don't have to go through a citizenship test. I
Speaker 2: would probably fail it. Right, we're so blessed. Right, we're
Speaker 2: so blessed. I just get to have this title.
Speaker 3: Okay, And some people coming over here are dying to
Speaker 3: get here, literally don't and they just die on our
Speaker 3: shorelines or they make it here and then they have
Speaker 3: to go through testing and are you do you know
Speaker 3: everything about being an American? And it's like, man, ask
Speaker 3: somebody else what the fourteenth Amendment is or the seventh
Speaker 3: Amendment that you know, totes of the American shirt flag?
Speaker 2: You know, what is it? What's the third Ement? What? Right? Right?
Speaker 2: You know? Right? I mean, we're so blessed and to
Speaker 2: have that ability to lead just you know, and then
Speaker 2: not empower and entrust those that you've been given the
Speaker 2: gift of leadership. It's just like, come on.
Speaker 3: I also tell my team I don't want to lose
Speaker 3: them as staff, but I tell them, you know, I
Speaker 3: hope I'm a stepping platform for your success to your future,
Speaker 3: and if that's with me, so be it. But if
Speaker 3: you go off and become some awesome editor on a
Speaker 3: movie or whatever your dream is at NASA, you know
Speaker 3: you can always look back and say, rag, got us
Speaker 3: pizza on Fridays. I'm gonna do that for my team. Awesome,
Speaker 3: you know that kind of thing. Feed your troops the
Speaker 3: full belly, the fight, dude, fight, fight, some energy, get
Speaker 3: them some protein.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even get them some of the name brand
Speaker 2: chicken stuff that's out there. It may not just be pizza.
Speaker 2: My team knows what's up. Nice. I'm in Texas. I've
Speaker 2: been here for a little over two years. And one
Speaker 2: of the first things that I did once we moved
Speaker 2: here was me and my brother split a cow. I
Speaker 2: didn't grow up really in an ag war, right right,
Speaker 2: you know, just north of Manhattan. You know, you're not
Speaker 2: really just growing up just north of Manhattan. You're not
Speaker 2: like splitting cows with your friends growing up, So like
Speaker 2: it was always on my bucket list. And then you know,
Speaker 2: living in you know, San Diego, you know at the
Speaker 2: seal teams, it's not like you're really doing that. So
Speaker 2: it was once I got to Texas, I was like,
Speaker 2: one of the first things I do, and I did,
Speaker 2: and man, I'll tell you what that protein is insane
Speaker 2: in Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Fun side fact, no, I've seen I've seen those big steer.
Speaker 3: I did security at a show in Colorado called the
Speaker 3: Michael Martin Murphy Stravaganza. He's a country singer and he
Speaker 3: had these old guys riders in the sky playing and
Speaker 3: all these different So I was security and the first
Speaker 3: day is a three day event, and my boss goes, hey, rad,
Speaker 3: I need to go guard this cow over here with
Speaker 3: this vendor because you know, we want to make sure
Speaker 3: no one gets close to it. And the show's going
Speaker 3: on way over there. But I'm over here, stuck in
Speaker 3: no man's land guarding a steer, and all the people
Speaker 3: would walk by and be like, what's up with the steer?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, these people are selling it if
Speaker 3: you want to buy it, or it's brother and have
Speaker 3: it made into this hamburger that they're feeding me. So like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're gonna be doing security here, We're gonna feed you.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, dude.
Speaker 3: And I mean like seriously, I'm sitting there eating this
Speaker 3: burger in front of the cow, in front of this longhorn.
Speaker 3: I was like, so, was this your brother or your sister?
Speaker 3: Today I've stared away from red meat. I just want
Speaker 3: to be clear. That was a while ago, twenty and one,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. These days, I haven't eaten any mammals.
Speaker 2: I just want to be open about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm a mammalarian, so interesting, Yeah, I kind
Speaker 3: of moved away.
Speaker 2: So what year did you transition?
Speaker 3: Oh ninety nine, two thousand. So I got out of
Speaker 3: the Air Force with a I met from red meat.
Speaker 3: Oh red meat fourteen fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So my dad started to like really go downhill on
Speaker 3: his health and his heart. And he was eating all
Speaker 3: sorts of like pastrami and like you know, hamburger and pastrami,
Speaker 3: and it was just like cholesterol and just I just
Speaker 3: was and then he died. But he was a Green
Speaker 3: Beret and he never smoked or drank and did all
Speaker 3: these exercises and marathons.
Speaker 2: But just ate not healthily.
Speaker 3: I just drank tons of like poisoned water, which is
Speaker 3: what I call soda. You know, this is this is
Speaker 3: water in here. Anybody that drinks and you can drink it,
Speaker 3: but it's like how much sugar you're drinking. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm saying that, Honey, you hear that?
Speaker 2: Mom? Yeah, I give everyone so much gruff about you know,
Speaker 2: diet coke and coke.
Speaker 3: Oh I think it killed my dad. Yeah, saying come
Speaker 3: at me, die coke. Go ahead, don't just shut this podcast.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I think taequila is healthier good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I made based tequila is healthier than coke comes.
Speaker 3: From the earth at least, I mean coke is like
Speaker 3: the stuff we're talking about. These diet fad drinks that
Speaker 3: are out there are just addiction fuel for I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's not good for you. When my dad was put
Speaker 3: into a home facility where they were watching him at
Speaker 3: this nice place, he had to open our surgery and
Speaker 3: they closed him up and they said we're gonna put
Speaker 3: him in here for three or four weeks. He went
Speaker 3: from not drinking any soda to like it was on tap.
Speaker 3: They're like, do you want another, you know, metered thirty
Speaker 3: two ounce mug of diet coke from the fountain jack,
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, I do. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I'm in the hospital and you're giving me this right.
Speaker 3: He just sucking it down, and just I was like, man,
Speaker 3: you know, he tried to do a lot of the
Speaker 3: healthy stuff. So when I transitioned from you know, eating
Speaker 3: red meat and animal to so I still eat eggs
Speaker 3: and I still eat non mammals.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to eat you. I don't want
Speaker 2: to eat a pig. I don't want to eat a cow.
Speaker 2: I don't want to eat a bear or a polar bear,
Speaker 2: but if I had to, I probably would. Right.
Speaker 3: So, if I'm in the middle of Alaska and the
Speaker 3: lifestyle is of the land, then I'm okay with it
Speaker 3: because I'm going to treat it the same way that
Speaker 3: they would treat it, which is I would leave the
Speaker 3: remnants where I hunted it to move.
Speaker 2: On its journey. Yeah. Fair, fair, fair, you know, but.
Speaker 3: I'd still eat it. So that elk is probably gonna
Speaker 3: be really good. But I still up here want to say,
Speaker 3: why do I have to eat what is in the
Speaker 3: grocery store forced to me? Like, you know, I've been
Speaker 3: to shot show in Las Vegas where they do all
Speaker 3: the gun industries, and I've seen how deals are made there.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine there's a food industry, and I
Speaker 3: can only imagine it's in Vegas, and I can imagine
Speaker 3: how the deals are done there. So I take those
Speaker 3: two things, put them together, and I say, why am
Speaker 3: I buying this specific product right here.
Speaker 2: In front of me?
Speaker 3: You know, when I could have like lettuce and tomatoes
Speaker 3: and other food other food.
Speaker 2: Processed foods.
Speaker 3: I've really got on this boxing healthy kick lately, and
Speaker 3: so I've been dedicated to that and just trying to
Speaker 3: be a better eater of food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no. I mean, especially if you're feeling it.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're probably feeling it in your body too, right,
Speaker 2: Like you're feeling that difference. I know me, I know,
Speaker 2: I know me. Like when I remove grains, like when
Speaker 2: I remove you know, grains and pastas and breads from
Speaker 2: my diet. And I'm heavy protein, minimal nuts or lagoons
Speaker 2: or even vegetables for the most part, Like I just
Speaker 2: feel leaner and lighter on my feet, So I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone's kind of different. You know. I had to give up.
Speaker 2: Here's a different one. I had to give up. Right
Speaker 2: around my late thirties. I noticed beer. If I had
Speaker 2: a beer after like four pm, it would rock my world.
Speaker 2: Just you know Ed.
Speaker 3: Shearon, the great artist of our time. Ed Shearon said.
Speaker 3: He said, you know, I have lost this weight recently,
Speaker 3: and it's because I just did one thing and I
Speaker 3: kicked out the SuDS. So he just he lost thirty
Speaker 3: five pounds just stopping beer.
Speaker 2: I believe it. He just stopped it, you know.
Speaker 3: And I do like to have a cold beer, you know,
Speaker 3: especially in nice Utah was ipa shout out. But listen,
Speaker 3: I drink it and then I go to the gym
Speaker 3: in the morning and I'm like, I'm just working off
Speaker 3: that beer I had last.
Speaker 2: Night, right right. So it's like, you know, throwing gloves.
Speaker 3: It's just like, okay, well, I'm trying to get my
Speaker 3: physique to be more tactical Viking style.
Speaker 2: That's my yeah, that's my goal. Yeah. That's why it's funny,
Speaker 2: you know, because while you're on deployment, especially in senthcom
Speaker 2: you know Iraq, Afghanistan specifically, you know, non alcohol policy,
Speaker 2: no alcohol policy. So I mean it's it's amazing. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're working out, we'll crushing. Yeah, but you're also not
Speaker 2: drinking and not consuming alcohol. Will just drop the pounds
Speaker 2: right off, right, yeah, right away.
Speaker 3: I had a friend who tours in a rock band
Speaker 3: and he was just always fed everything he ever needs.
Speaker 3: You know, He's got a piece of paper with like
Speaker 3: this is what I demanded every show, and it's always
Speaker 3: in there, and it's all this food, it's all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And he finally had to change his writer to say,
Speaker 3: you know, don't put any more beer on my tour
Speaker 3: for me. He didn't want it, good for it, and
Speaker 3: then it started drinking like the more clear style stuff,
Speaker 3: thinking it was less calories, you know, and trying not
Speaker 3: to drink and trying to like still have that same
Speaker 3: vibe and hang out like a rock star, but he's working.
Speaker 2: Out at the same time, trying to stay on the road.
Speaker 3: It's like, right at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 3: just really alcohol is It's a mother brother, Especially when
Speaker 3: you come from families that do have in your family
Speaker 3: and you've been around it and it's in you now,
Speaker 3: it's like, how do you kick it? You can stroke
Speaker 3: from kicking alcohol. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's such an addiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. There's a lot of cool apps
Speaker 2: out there. I've been kind of paying attention to these days.
Speaker 2: There's some really neat resources and apps out there. There's
Speaker 2: this one that I just came across, so I'll give
Speaker 2: him a shot out. It's called Sunnyside. No affiliation whatsoever.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of interesting where you basically have a
Speaker 2: person a Jane Doe texting you every day saying like, hey, hey, rad,
Speaker 2: how are you doing. How many drinks have you had?
Speaker 2: And you're and they'll keep pinging you until you respond
Speaker 2: and then it'll then at the end of the week,
Speaker 2: it'll give you like a report, like, hey, here's your report.
Speaker 2: Like let's set a base. Let's set a base for
Speaker 2: next week. Let's not try and just go cold turkey,
Speaker 2: but next week, let's just try and drop it by
Speaker 2: like two right across the entire day. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like try to just you know, it's pretty interesting. So
Speaker 2: some good resources out there, but you know, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a big diet. Diet, baby, it is.
Speaker 3: And now that I'm forty five years old and I've
Speaker 3: been paying attention to it for like the last few years,
Speaker 3: my wife's really good at it. We've got some friends
Speaker 3: that are like dietitians, registered dieting and she's worked for
Speaker 3: like UCLA and all these other colleges, and she's like,
Speaker 3: you know, tofu, let me tell you about tofu. She's
Speaker 3: like straight up protein. She's like, and you just look,
Speaker 3: put it right down you It'll slip right down your throat.
Speaker 3: If you're just looking for a.
Speaker 2: Fast protein, you're gonna have to have doctor, do you know.
Speaker 2: Paul Saladino is no tell me you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: ever talk to him. He'll go down a die tribe
Speaker 2: on how tofu is the exact opposite. Oh is that right? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, oh wow. See everybody's just got you know, like,
Speaker 2: what do you do? I know, I know, I got vaccinated.
Speaker 2: That's all I can tell you. Kay, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go back and forth. No more. I
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 3: I took it right down below. Tell me how I'm dumb,
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go tell me I'm cool. Look at look
Speaker 3: at my new Legends boxing shirt. Bro totally Mike Tyson,
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember what was it?
Speaker 2: What was it? Like? At what point did the Green
Speaker 2: guy come out?
Speaker 3: So Piston Honda in the game? Number three or four
Speaker 3: in the line. Yeah yeah, that's like Sandman dude.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: That's maybe I should be in that game now. Bam
Speaker 3: bam bam. Is there another book coming out? I know
Speaker 3: you got this one. Are you working on something that's
Speaker 3: going to be part two to Leadership?
Speaker 2: Well, we got two main efforts that I'm really focused
Speaker 2: on right now. So our book is just like one
Speaker 2: or product, one of our products or service or offerings
Speaker 2: from our group called Culture Force. Culture Force is a
Speaker 2: consultancy group. I'm not saying we're a Deloitte and two
Speaker 2: sure a KPMG or an E and Y. But one
Speaker 2: day we hope to be where we're really focused on
Speaker 2: helping organizations that have between seventy five and seven hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty employees really scale and build and refine and
Speaker 2: improve their culture and then help them, you know, scale
Speaker 2: it as they scale their services, offerings and products, and
Speaker 2: so Culture Force right now is got a. It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting kind of the indus stretes that have
Speaker 2: been kind of gravitating towards US. You know, construction is
Speaker 2: one manufacturing global supply chain and logistics, not a lot
Speaker 2: of high tech. Although before this call, I just had
Speaker 2: a conversation with the CEO founder of an AI company
Speaker 2: and they want to bring us in and help them scale.
Speaker 2: They have forty five employees right now. They're about to
Speaker 2: do a Series B you know, bring in eighty million
Speaker 2: dollars so they can grow and scale their team. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's pretty interesting. We're kind of all over industries,
Speaker 2: but you know, those are the main kind of industries
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Speaker 3: So it's a lot of fun. So somebody listening right now.
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Speaker 3: my partner and our offerings. My partners Chris and Tom
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Speaker 3: amongst others. And then Tom Tom was the president of
Speaker 3: Colgate Palm Olive when they moved into Europe and established
Speaker 3: their entire Colgate Palm All's entire European presence. You know
Speaker 3: the the Baltics as well as you know Eastern Bloc.
Speaker 3: So so we got a we got a good team,
Speaker 3: a great wheelhouse as well as Olive has branded me.
Speaker 3: My whole childhood is like always putting your fingernails in
Speaker 3: the dish.
Speaker 2: Of the Paul Malive. They're so good. And she's from
Speaker 2: that team that movie White Christmas.
Speaker 3: She's one of the right she's one of the sisters
Speaker 3: in White Christmas, and she would all the Paul mall
Speaker 3: of commercials.
Speaker 2: God, why do I this is in my brain? God,
Speaker 2: that was one. I'll tell you. My mom was very musical.
Speaker 2: My mom was very musical, obviously, like you knew this
Speaker 2: seven eight years old watching White Christmas. Danny K. He's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite actors. I love Danny K.
Speaker 3: I love that movie actually, because same thing, dude, that
Speaker 3: was my internet here, let's watch White Christmas four or
Speaker 3: five times.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever had a conversation with someone
Speaker 2: in this wheelhouse in your arena, and we've reminisced on
Speaker 2: Danny K. Danny K my favorite, he really is. I
Speaker 2: love him in all of his movies, and I've seen
Speaker 2: like all of his movies. Oh man, that's a blasting past.
Speaker 3: I'm such a great dancer too. I just have to say,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, just too. Yeah, we'll get along just fine.
Speaker 3: You can sleep over. Mom said, it's cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, just come to the basement.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: It is, it is, it is I and I know
Speaker 3: that I'm hitting everybody that's listening in the fields because
Speaker 3: you all seen you know, now you know who Danny
Speaker 3: k is. And there was a movie called Walter Mitty
Speaker 3: and Danny k was the original Walter Middy who had
Speaker 3: the imagination and was always like doing these different like
Speaker 3: spy things in his life. And that turned into Ben Stiller.
Speaker 3: And Ben Stiller now does the Walter Midty. He he
Speaker 3: took over that character where he's like, I think a
Speaker 3: bunch of pro skaters portrayed well.
Speaker 2: Uh Zoolander. What's his name again? Who was Zulander name?
Speaker 2: Ben Stiller? Thank you, Ben Stiller? Tangent man, you got
Speaker 2: me nerding out now, I'm like, oh man, he was,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at like he did Pinocchio.
Speaker 3: Hans Christian Anderson, bro they were in. He was in
Speaker 3: Hans Christian Anderson. He did all the different stories of
Speaker 3: like making the kid and the pie.
Speaker 2: I forgot. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: turn I forgot about these because now Hans Christian Anderson,
Speaker 2: I remember that one too, on the Riviera. That's right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to watch some of these around the
Speaker 2: holidays with my kids.
Speaker 3: Danny k now now, whoever's editing this at the end
Speaker 3: of the day on SOFTWAREP I need to mention of
Speaker 3: Danny k the great actor in this on the down
Speaker 3: below when you write everything out. If that's Mark or Anton,
Speaker 3: I'm giving a shout out to you guys, come on
Speaker 3: now or Chris, if it's one of you. Three awesome
Speaker 3: Secret Life Walter Secret Life of Walter Mitty. Now listen.
Speaker 3: I love talking with you. I think you're a great dude,
Speaker 3: and I think we could talk a lot more about
Speaker 3: extreme athlete, mental toughness, leadership in the workplace. We've mentioned
Speaker 3: how to get a hold of you. We've introduced you
Speaker 3: to the soft rep community and Kyle, you're awesome and
Speaker 3: you should pursue acting and just throw that to.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll leave that to the guys. You know you
Speaker 2: got a.
Speaker 3: Good skull for some face paint, bro. You know, like
Speaker 3: you know, I'll leave it to Chris Pratt. I think
Speaker 3: he does a job.
Speaker 2: Bro. I'll tell you what so I'll trust listen and
Speaker 2: we love you, We appreciate you. Oh Jack, and shout
Speaker 2: out to Jack car Jack. Just keep writing, man. He's
Speaker 2: supposed to be on the show. Jack's supposed to be
Speaker 2: on the show pretty soon. We had him schedule for May,
Speaker 2: but he had a book tour sure, and so you
Speaker 2: know he's a busy dude. Lives right here in Salt
Speaker 2: Lake Park City, right up the street for me. Really,
Speaker 2: if you will want, Jack get on here. Yeah, really, Jack,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 3: Everybody go out there and tag Jack car and say
Speaker 3: Rat says, what's up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me to come the soft Rep now, man,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me on here. To everyone listening, thanks
Speaker 2: for listening. If you're still with us, we appreciate you,
Speaker 2: guys and gals and all that you're doing and all
Speaker 2: that you probably I'm assuming do for this country. So
Speaker 2: thank you for the bum my heart that's right and on.
Speaker 3: Behalf of me and our United States Recruiting Command who
Speaker 3: doesn't pay me anything. If you feel like you want
Speaker 3: to go and do it, go go and do it.
Speaker 2: Go see what it's like. Go try it. You might
Speaker 2: just one.
Speaker 3: Foot after the other after the other after the other,
Speaker 3: and just see what happens on behalf of me and
Speaker 3: everybody here at soft Rep and a grateful nation. Thank
Speaker 3: you for your service, Kyle, and to your friends and
Speaker 3: much success in your business.
Speaker 2: And this is Brad say in peace.
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