Speaker 1: Pushkin.
Speaker 2: Hey, dream listeners, if you like this podcast, you're going
Speaker 2: to love the book. Yeah. I wrote a book. It's
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Speaker 2: favorite characters from MLMs and some that you've never even
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Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 1: Because that was eating. I didn't want to eat indirectly
Speaker 1: into your ear.
Speaker 2: That hasn't stopped you before.
Speaker 1: Is that a common problem that you eat in my ear?
Speaker 1: Is that why we broke up?
Speaker 2: Are we talking?
Speaker 1: It's just a joke. It was just a joke. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was just joking around.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, how's everybody been lately? Chill for Dan and
Speaker 2: I not so much.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hug?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay? Do you want to sit down hug or a
Speaker 1: standoun hug? I always sit down, hug. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: The past few years have been innumerably difficult for every
Speaker 2: person on Earth. You don't need me to tell you
Speaker 2: that we've lost loved ones, jobs, our futures, our minds,
Speaker 2: and I count myself among the lucky ones. Maybe not
Speaker 2: on the farthest end of the spectrum, say as corporate
Speaker 2: CEOs who took home higher profits and bonuses than ever before,
Speaker 2: ever in the history of the world. And that's true.
Speaker 2: It's a fact and frankly criminal. No, I didn't fare
Speaker 2: that well, but still, as painful as it's been, I'd
Speaker 2: have to put my personal experience kind of in the middle, though,
Speaker 2: how could anyone measure? Here's a brief synopsis. In March
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, the world came to a grinding, deathly halt.
Speaker 2: Homeschooling began. Our company took out one of those PPP loans,
Speaker 2: and then when that ran out, we had to lay
Speaker 2: off the majority of our staff and take pay cuts.
Speaker 2: Then my uncle, my only relative west of the Mississippi,
Speaker 2: who lived nearby in Hollywood, he died. He'd been struggling
Speaker 2: with HIV most of his life, so maybe COVID wasn't
Speaker 2: to blame, but who knows. One day he just keeled
Speaker 2: over from a heart attack, and due to travel restrictions,
Speaker 2: Dan and I were tasked with settling his affairs. It
Speaker 2: was really sad, and then time just dragged on. We worked, worked, parented, homeschooled, cried, repeat.
Speaker 2: Then my daughter's father moved across the country, and then
Speaker 2: my dad and stepdad both had major cardiac events within
Speaker 2: a few months of each other. They're doing okay now,
Speaker 2: but given what had just happened with Uncle Patty, it
Speaker 2: was terrifying. And then I entered perimenopause and became very depressed.
Speaker 2: I grew a giant uterine fibroid that made me feel
Speaker 2: like I had to pee all the time and made
Speaker 2: my back hurt. My landlord sold our house and luckily
Speaker 2: we didn't get kicked out by the new owners, but
Speaker 2: we had a lot a bunch of strangers roam around
Speaker 2: in it for months. During the pandemic. I wanted to
Speaker 2: stay in bed most days, and sometimes I did. My
Speaker 2: diet went further into the trash. I gained thirty pounds,
Speaker 2: and Dan and I experienced our own version of what
Speaker 2: I think a lot of couples went through during the lockdown.
Speaker 2: Things just stopped working the way they used to.
Speaker 1: There is there is a freeze I'm searching for, though,
Speaker 1: like bad taste.
Speaker 2: In portaste in por taste, Yes, it wasn't though I'm
Speaker 2: just sensitive. I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, It's okay, I mean I should understand that now
Speaker 1: in general, do you do you want to feel better
Speaker 1: about yourself or something? That's what that's what I've heard.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about right now in this moment? You
Speaker 2: just made me cry? No, I do want to feel
Speaker 2: better right now? Yeah, I want to feel better.
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Because this sucks?
Speaker 1: Were you feeling that way pre pandemic? No?
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean the pandemic is a big thing. I
Speaker 2: think also, I feel like constant chipping away at my resolve, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and my like patience, tolerance, joyfulness, optimism, happiness.
Speaker 2: It feels so daunting to deal with. And again, I
Speaker 2: don't know if we should include something like that, but
Speaker 2: it's true. That's what I was thinking. I was like,
Speaker 2: how honest do I want to be about this on
Speaker 2: this show? Because I don't want to lie. Yes, I
Speaker 2: still go to therapy and I've adjusted my meds, but
Speaker 2: there's just a dark cloud over everything. I'm feeling like
Speaker 2: I forgot how to do life. The me that put
Speaker 2: on tailored clothing, that went to work further than fifteen
Speaker 2: steps from my bed, or even outside of my bed,
Speaker 2: that cared at least a little bit about being healthy,
Speaker 2: that felt like life was fun. That woman feels very
Speaker 2: very far away and I cannot reach her. I'm alive,
Speaker 2: I'm functioning because I don't have a choice, but I'm
Speaker 2: not getting much out of it. I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: in an uncommon place, like I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people can identify with how I'm feeling. I'm not feeling
Speaker 2: anywhere near my best, and it feels like a very
Speaker 2: very difficult daily fight I'm having with myself and am
Speaker 2: beating myself up for like not being more motivated, not
Speaker 2: having more energy, not being more dedicated, not being more productive,
Speaker 2: not being more loving to everyone around me, not being
Speaker 2: more tolerant, like all of the things that if I
Speaker 2: was feeling really good about myself, would just be there.
Speaker 2: Like I'm depressed and I feel and I think that
Speaker 2: that's a lot of people are feeling like that. I
Speaker 2: remember the first week of the pandemic when I think
Speaker 2: you were at the house even when the news came
Speaker 2: on the TV. Remember that, yeah, and with this shutdown, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean we knew that there was a it was coming,
Speaker 2: that COVID was out there. But the day where schools
Speaker 2: closed and don't leave your house that day, I remember
Speaker 2: being devastated, feeling on the one hand, like forced vacation,
Speaker 2: and on the other hand, oh my god, people are
Speaker 2: dying and I can't leave the house or I might
Speaker 2: kill someone or be killed myself. That was very heavy
Speaker 2: information and it felt temporary, but it also felt really
Speaker 2: gnarly and I don't know what the psychology is after.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone knows what that really did,
Speaker 2: with having the lockdown last so long and having so
Speaker 2: many people die, and having so many people get sick,
Speaker 2: and then me having COVID twice and what is the
Speaker 2: long COVID element of this? Sorry I keep weeping.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay, I mean, but I want to talk.
Speaker 2: To somebody about that, because I'm holding myself up to
Speaker 2: a version of me and a world that maybe can't
Speaker 2: ever exist again. Dan and I have spent many, maybe
Speaker 2: too many hours talking about how to bring the old
Speaker 2: me back, and we've hit wall after wall. As for Dan,
Speaker 2: he's I'm not saying it here because it's just not
Speaker 2: his style to be as open as I am with
Speaker 2: a bunch of strangers. But this has all been really
Speaker 2: hard on him too. Otherwise maybe we wouldn't have broken
Speaker 2: up if, like one of us was feeling normal. But
Speaker 2: Dan also isn't as open as I am to looking
Speaker 2: outward for solutions. I'd take life advice from Ronald McDonald
Speaker 2: if it would help me feel better in even some
Speaker 2: tiny way. But Dan is a little more skeptical in
Speaker 2: this one area. He'll tell you that himself.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because I think that you like
Speaker 1: the idea of someone of like kind of letting someone
Speaker 1: else tell you how to improve, or an external factor
Speaker 1: helping you in some way sounds good, And I am
Speaker 1: like weirdly stubbornly, like like if someone tries to explain
Speaker 1: to me what like I ran for a long time
Speaker 1: jogging and getting exercise in I would ride my bike
Speaker 1: or walk everywhere just like because I wanted to, because
Speaker 1: anyone else did, you know, like total bud about it.
Speaker 1: But like that, in a sense, I do think that
Speaker 1: that's my problem.
Speaker 2: Not mine. I can't tell you how much time I
Speaker 2: spend googling how to get happy right now. I tried
Speaker 2: waking up and getting sunshine on my face every morning,
Speaker 2: walking every day tod nothing except it made me listen
Speaker 2: to podcasts, which I don't really actually enjoy doing. Eating
Speaker 2: salads was a bust. Hormones probably helped a little bit,
Speaker 2: But I don't know how you measure that. Meditating was relaxing,
Speaker 2: I guess, but we needed to think bigger. But then
Speaker 2: I thought, hey, if I was improved in my selfness,
Speaker 2: if I was an improved self, I would enjoy every morning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Grandma Ruth, you know, so I would. I have a
Speaker 2: list of things, but they're not mine. Are very existential.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the beginning of the process. We're gonna whittle
Speaker 1: this stuff down to action items. So what do you
Speaker 1: have existentially? Big picture?
Speaker 2: Oh, big picture? You want to go big?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, let's think
Speaker 1: big and then we'll see what we can do about it.
Speaker 2: Like, first of all, the universe would have to change.
Speaker 2: I would have to be immortal. That's the number one
Speaker 2: thing death don't want it. Need to improve my outlook there,
Speaker 2: well I need that to not be on the books.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I were to think of that in
Speaker 1: action step form, then obviously you cannot be immortal yet,
Speaker 1: but you could try to live as long as you can.
Speaker 1: And so there's some you know, and.
Speaker 2: Let's start taking away everything. I like, is that what
Speaker 2: you're saying?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 2: It's truly like I have to. I would have to.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Yeah, no, talk about what the fuck?
Speaker 2: That's not living cigarettes cigarettes, fake cigarettes, but cigarettes of caffeine, wine, wine,
Speaker 2: laying down.
Speaker 1: Laying down, watching TV, watching TV, texting, yeah, texting, TikTok mm.
Speaker 2: Hmm, drinking diet coke. I want to stay sitting down.
Speaker 2: I just want to chill. But I think sitting down
Speaker 2: is actually hurting me.
Speaker 1: Can you Can you use that as like a stepping stone, like,
Speaker 1: since laying down isn't great? No, I can take laying
Speaker 1: down off my list of things. Believe me.
Speaker 2: I have dug deep for inspiration, motivation, all of that
Speaker 2: stuff because I want to live forever, and I want
Speaker 2: to be as physically attractive as possible while I live forever.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie about that.
Speaker 1: Don't lie. You made a face like, oh god, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: My face was like, well, of course, of course you will.
Speaker 2: Be anyways, No, I do. I want to look great
Speaker 2: and feel great and be great.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be great? No?
Speaker 2: You don't, wait, do I I don't think. I haven't
Speaker 2: thought about that be great. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: that means. I think to do good work and be
Speaker 2: a good person.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be the best you? Yes?
Speaker 2: But oh man, watch out world, Hey we might be
Speaker 2: getting somewhere.
Speaker 1: What is the best you? I mean when you think
Speaker 1: about that, what is it?
Speaker 2: It's like one inch away from Okay, my fear is
Speaker 2: that the best to me is like just the hairs
Speaker 2: wid away from like being like Ellen degenerous.
Speaker 1: Or someone like that in what sense.
Speaker 2: Like maximizing what everything Jane has, like if I maximized
Speaker 2: my potential.
Speaker 1: But Ellen, okay, so Ellen is known for being like mean, Right, I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying I'm a hair away. I'm not saying I am mean.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Oh, so you're saying I'm afraid of my
Speaker 2: own power.
Speaker 1: I'm a part of Ellen is part of.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of my own power. I'm not afraid that,
Speaker 2: like I would become Mussolini or something. I'm just afraid
Speaker 2: that if I start buying into what Gwyneth and Ellen
Speaker 2: and Rachel Hollis are into, that I'll become like them,
Speaker 2: out of touch and drinking twenty five dollars smoothies and
Speaker 2: trying to guru people myself just gross. I won't be bad,
Speaker 2: I won't be a bad person, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't want to become.
Speaker 1: Like you would become an entity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, like I would. I feel like if I
Speaker 2: reached my potential, that my potential would.
Speaker 1: Be Are there different ways that you could use your potential?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have to be like the leader
Speaker 1: of an empire or the figurehead of an empire or.
Speaker 2: See that's what I'm saying is I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: sure I don't have to do something like that, but
Speaker 2: just give me a workout routine and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: See, this is the problem. This is the problem with
Speaker 2: self improvement, honestly, like with self help, becoming your true self?
Speaker 2: What if it's not cool? What if it's not good?
Speaker 2: What if it's bad? So Dan obviously asks a lot
Speaker 2: of great questions, and one of the things I've always
Speaker 2: liked about him is that even after he has the answers,
Speaker 2: he does not tell me what to do. And if
Speaker 2: he did, it would probably be something like you should
Speaker 2: smoke some grass, dude, now. To get out of this
Speaker 2: thicket of absolute mindfuckery, I need a guide, an objective guide,
Speaker 2: someone who isn't trying to heal my childhood trauma or
Speaker 2: help me communicate what I'm thinking. I've got that covered.
Speaker 2: But instead someone who will just give me action steps,
Speaker 2: a schedule, a game plan. I need a coach. We
Speaker 2: googled best life coaches in LA and got to clicking
Speaker 2: all over the web.
Speaker 1: But first let's get something out of the way here.
Speaker 1: So I feel like in the last season we were
Speaker 1: looking at wellness techniques that we knew. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of science backing this stuff up, right, And that's
Speaker 1: why I want to differentiate, because this isn't something where
Speaker 1: we're just saying like, no, this can't work. We really
Speaker 1: want to find out what that experience is like specifically
Speaker 1: you Yeah, okay, So it isn't that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: We aren't here to just sit here and go like
Speaker 1: this is a goofy website or something like that. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So I just want to, you know, if.
Speaker 2: Any of these promises can be made true, I'm into it.
Speaker 2: I hope the life coach isn't like the life Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the dream and my search for a Unicorn
Speaker 2: life coach. For some reason, I can't stop talking about
Speaker 2: weed today. But there's something else I want to say
Speaker 2: about weed right now that relates to shopping for life coaches.
Speaker 2: You know how weed like, even after it was legalized
Speaker 2: and accepted by people and the cops sort of, it
Speaker 2: still goes by names like Girl Scout Cookies and Purple
Speaker 2: Haze and Luke Skywalker or whatever. Don't ask me how
Speaker 2: I know. And it's like grow up weed. That kind
Speaker 2: of jaunty branding really turns me off and rampant in
Speaker 2: the coaching world, and it makes it hard for this
Speaker 2: actual sincere hunt I'm on because, like I said, my
Speaker 2: natural snarkometer gets in the way. For example, there's this
Speaker 2: one guy here, Dan Mendelow, who claims to be Yelp's
Speaker 2: number one life coach in LA. He looks like what
Speaker 2: does he look like? Like a guy who would be
Speaker 2: on a home makeover show on eah GTV or like
Speaker 2: a broy friend of a startup CEO. He has a
Speaker 2: couple tattoos, He probably you know, wears bracelets, the beaded kind.
Speaker 2: He's the kind of guy that I am personally face
Speaker 2: blind to, So I'm having a really hard time to
Speaker 2: describing him, but I think you get the drift. He
Speaker 2: wears Henley's you know those shirts with the button the
Speaker 2: three buttons. That guy, that guy, but what the tattoos?
Speaker 2: His website is really slick and full of swear words,
Speaker 2: very Gwynethie. The tagline on his website when you first
Speaker 2: click it says, get the confidence, clarity and magnetic energy
Speaker 2: to take your business and relationships from stuck to Oh
Speaker 2: my fucking god, yes, which sounds great to me.
Speaker 1: Oh this sounds brutal, uh.
Speaker 2: Because it's like ready to call in your holy shit,
Speaker 2: is this real life? But let's just watch the video.
Speaker 1: What's up? Legend? No, I'm dan mend.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem. We're in LA, So it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a lot of that probably, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or someone will find out your mom and cleeen mama.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, it would be the very worst if
Speaker 2: they called me back. Ass Are you done with this guy?
Speaker 2: I'm done with this guy. The ancient wisdom and the
Speaker 2: WhatsApp legend I can't do. Yeah, so okay. This one
Speaker 2: was also on the list. He's like a salt and
Speaker 2: pepper gray guy with John Stewart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of or of like a mix between Frank
Speaker 1: Zapffer and John Stewart.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. He's a hypnotherapist. Oh he does NLP neural
Speaker 2: linguistic programming, which I don't think is a real thing.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a real thing, and that people like
Speaker 2: claim that they know that they're educated in it. But
Speaker 2: it's a pseudoscience, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't it normally associated with cult in manipulation? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it's gonna Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I see it a lot in the life coaching world,
Speaker 2: like a positive to on neuro linguistic programming. I bet
Speaker 2: I don't. I always want to say processing because it
Speaker 2: doesn't sound so culty, but it's programming. On the off
Speaker 2: chance you've ever heard of NLP neuro linguistic programming, it's
Speaker 2: probably from one of those documentaries about Nexium, the MLM
Speaker 2: slash cult that branded people and then starved them and
Speaker 2: then made them play volleyball all night with this guy
Speaker 2: called Keith Ranieri. You know who I'm talking about, And
Speaker 2: if you don't, awesome, Keith Ranieri loved NLP, and so
Speaker 2: do a lot of life coaches, apparently ones who aren't
Speaker 2: abusing people. But it's like creepy by association to me.
Speaker 2: I don't want someone to whoa. I don't want someone
Speaker 2: to Now this one. I did look into a little bit.
Speaker 2: She's got tons of filters on her photograph.
Speaker 1: I wasn't one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2: She looks like so she is a therapist, and then
Speaker 2: she has like customizable life coaching services, checking in accountability offering, encouragement,
Speaker 2: keeping you motivated, like all of that stuff. Great, But
Speaker 2: if you scroll further, she's affiliated with some people in
Speaker 2: groups who have like kind of backwards views on autism,
Speaker 2: like uh, not necessarily like Howardly anti vax, but talks
Speaker 2: about the connection and the unproven cures for autism. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I just don't want to go there.
Speaker 2: So that's a no. This one. I really liked her
Speaker 2: until I got to the very bottom of the page, Okay,
Speaker 2: which is a becoming a thread? Yeah, is that they're
Speaker 2: burying the lead.
Speaker 1: I would think that this opening picture would bother you.
Speaker 2: Well, it says sessions like in session trans informational mindset coaching,
Speaker 2: plural sessions of sixty minutes. Right, what's causing burnout, uncertainty
Speaker 2: of lack of fulfillment. I love all that. Yeah, micro dosing,
Speaker 2: that's where they all about me, I know.
Speaker 1: But I mean micro dosing can be can be helpful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know if that's right for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's right for me. I don't
Speaker 2: want it to come up. I don't want it to
Speaker 2: be like, Jane, you've done really well this first month.
Speaker 2: What I think is really going to get you to
Speaker 2: the next level is eating mushrooms. And then I'll have
Speaker 2: to be like, well that was just a waste, because
Speaker 2: I can't trip ever again.
Speaker 1: In my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, the minute I start to feel different and weird,
Speaker 2: I'll have a panic attack. The transformational power of drugs
Speaker 2: is like something that it.
Speaker 1: Will not that doesn't doesn't fly.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean I've done a lot of drugs,
Speaker 2: and I know that they can be really fun. But
Speaker 2: when I'm thinking something really profound while I'm on like
Speaker 2: acid or something, I know that I'm being stupid. If
Speaker 2: I get really high on weed and I have some
Speaker 2: brilliant thought, I know, like in the instant that I
Speaker 2: have it, I'm like, that is just a high thought.
Speaker 2: You're being totally stupid. But enjoy it, you know, like
Speaker 2: laugh all you want. But when you get out of
Speaker 2: this high, you're going to realize that nothing actually happened.
Speaker 2: You were just high for a minute, but discovering something
Speaker 2: about the universe. Uh huh. And oh, and that's the
Speaker 2: other thing. If I don't want to it's going to
Speaker 2: be bad. You just have to go into it with
Speaker 2: the right attitude. And it's like, no, if the drug works,
Speaker 2: I don't even my attitude shouldn't matter. It should just work.
Speaker 2: Looking through all these potential coaches and picking on them
Speaker 2: and being a complete asshole is definitely helping me find
Speaker 2: out what I want by checking off what I absolutely
Speaker 2: do not want. It's narrowing the field. I'm hoping by
Speaker 2: like episode eight, I will sound different in the way
Speaker 2: I'm talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I like hope that I genuinely feel enough different and
Speaker 2: better that I will sound different, Which makes me mad
Speaker 2: at myself. Why because my life is lovely, why do
Speaker 2: I feel like it could be so much better?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like that's why can't I just be cool with where
Speaker 2: it is?
Speaker 1: It's part of that just getting old a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. The other day
Speaker 2: I had to get out of my house for an
Speaker 2: hour because they were doing some construction thing and I
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out where to go and that felt very
Speaker 2: unlike me or unlike the me I want to be.
Speaker 1: It sounds like depression.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm depressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're also overwhelmed constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the past I would have been like chitching
Speaker 2: and gone to the art store or and not even
Speaker 2: bought anything, just wandered around the art supply store. There's
Speaker 2: a word I learned a long time ago, not in therapy,
Speaker 2: but at the psychiatrist's office when they were trying to
Speaker 2: figure out just how depressed I was. And it's called
Speaker 2: an hedonia. You know, hedonism, that's the root word. Is
Speaker 2: all about pursuing pleasure at all costs. Well and heidonia
Speaker 2: and hedonism is where you can't find pleasure in anything.
Speaker 2: Food is boring, no TV shows are good, clothes are
Speaker 2: stupid and uncomfortable, and showering is for losers. Friends? What friends?
Speaker 2: That whole thing. I'm going to throw all of that
Speaker 2: at a coach and see if they can snap me
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: Is it is it about? Yeah? I guess that's interesting
Speaker 1: to me because there's an expectation that you have for yourself,
Speaker 1: and you're pretty hard on yourself in my experience when
Speaker 1: you don't live up to the expectations that you set
Speaker 1: for yourself. I mean, it's going to be curious to
Speaker 1: see which side of that. Is it meeting the expectations.
Speaker 2: Or is it lowering the expectations or or.
Speaker 1: Understanding that those expectations aren't maybe as relevant to optimal
Speaker 1: Jane as you might think.
Speaker 2: Well, how would anybody be able to tell I'm optimal
Speaker 2: Jane though unless I meet those expectations.
Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of people already think of
Speaker 1: you as optimal Jane. Optimal Jane being a car Why
Speaker 1: are you do you mind?
Speaker 2: I don't know. No, I just feel like I'm in
Speaker 2: therapy right.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, it's I shouldn't I shouldn't be peering in.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's okay. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 1: I think the idea though, is that we're looking for
Speaker 1: something positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, okay. And I have eye cholesterol and
Speaker 2: there's a bag of Torito's in front of me.
Speaker 1: Root okay, I mean you know, like there's of course,
Speaker 1: you have high chost for all. Your favorite food is
Speaker 1: from Taco Bell. There's nothing wrong with that either, but
Speaker 1: that goes with it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well have you ever felt when did when's the closest
Speaker 1: you came to feeling like optimal? Jane, let's try and
Speaker 1: get or have you ever had a chance to feel
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Like when I first met you? But I don't know
Speaker 2: if that was just like the oxytocin or something then
Speaker 2: I was diluted or something that I wasn't actually a
Speaker 2: good person or doing my best.
Speaker 1: Well, I I just want to plant Your life is
Speaker 1: very different now, you know.
Speaker 2: I know I was thinking about today and like, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Was crying with it.
Speaker 2: Like it's Tuesdays, and Tuesdays we used to.
Speaker 1: Be able to go out, yeah, or just go to lunch.
Speaker 2: And grab a beer or something. Yeah, I picked up
Speaker 2: beer though there's some in the fridge.
Speaker 1: Let's go get one. Okay, Sorry, don't sorry.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing this season. I'm getting a
Speaker 2: life coach while simultaneously roasting all life coaches because I
Speaker 2: really do need help, and some part of me really
Speaker 2: wants to believe this might be the magic bullet, but
Speaker 2: a bigger part of me doesn't believe in magic. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's my problem. Spoiler, I do find someone to help me,
Speaker 2: and she can totally take the roasting. Her name is Jesse,
Speaker 2: and I promise you that she is a person to
Speaker 2: believe in, even as I lay waste to all the
Speaker 2: coaches around me. Jesse is fit and hot and not
Speaker 2: a super skinny white lady. She's a good mom, a
Speaker 2: joy to be around. Those things about her. I really
Speaker 2: like what her company is called. Okay, I had to
Speaker 2: get past this. Her company is called Supernatural Wellness. Just
Speaker 2: one of those things about being in LA that I
Speaker 2: have to live with. And she's into metaphysical stuff, which
Speaker 2: is just kind of like also unavoidable, and so is
Speaker 2: working out I guess which she made me do the
Speaker 2: very first day we met up. That's all coming up
Speaker 2: this season on the Dream.
Speaker 3: And I also need you to connect to your soul,
Speaker 3: to your spirit, because listen to it, it's going to
Speaker 3: tell you exactly what you need me. Just by looking
Speaker 3: at your blood work and looking at the way that
Speaker 3: you're eating, I can tell that once we regulate all
Speaker 3: of this, you're going to be so much better. And
Speaker 3: then if you're inflamed in your body, can you imagine
Speaker 3: how you're inflamed in your brain.
Speaker 2: I don't think it works like that scientifically. When you
Speaker 2: say connect you spirit, I don't again, this is not
Speaker 2: something I've ever spent time thinking, like, you know, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna listen. They just listen. Just amuse me. Just
Speaker 2: believe it. Just believe it. I am, yeah, just believe it.
Speaker 2: I just end up having more questions, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Are we still doing this? No?
Speaker 2: How much longer did we have to do?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: We still have about forty minutes? But The Dream is written, hosted,
Speaker 2: and executive produced by me Jane Marie. Our producer is
Speaker 2: Mike Richter, with help from Nancy Golumbiski and Joy Sandford.
Speaker 2: Our editor is Peter Clowney. The Dream is a co
Speaker 2: production of Little Everywhere in Pushkin Industries. If you love
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