Speaker 1: What's up? How are you good?
Speaker 2: I was remembering, and I do always do my best
Speaker 2: thinking when I'm shaving my legs in Capri and walking
Speaker 2: right past you and my husband noticing you before me
Speaker 2: and going, are you.
Speaker 1: Going to say anything?
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, she's on vacation, Like I'm not going
Speaker 2: to fucking bug her. But he got so excited because
Speaker 2: he knew who you were.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Wall, Wait, didn't you say something?
Speaker 2: I think I DMed you and I was like I
Speaker 2: because I was like for me, I followed you and
Speaker 2: like you were doing something, you posted something. I go,
Speaker 2: I just walked by you.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so funny, Like I vaguely remember, I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: did I see them?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: Well, it's nice to kind of meet you. I feel
Speaker 3: like I know you because you know, we have both
Speaker 3: we share a publicist. I didn't know until recently, but
Speaker 3: I still feel like felt like I know you before.
Speaker 3: But now I've read a bit about you, and I yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like I've been through a fair amount of
Speaker 3: my life personally, and I was really moved by like
Speaker 3: your story. No, you've been through a lot of traumatic stuff,
Speaker 3: like you really have, and so there's a lot to discuss,
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't think you've had so many
Speaker 3: different lives. So you got into sports. You intentionally went
Speaker 3: into sports. That's what you wanted to do. So why
Speaker 3: did you Why were you so passionate about diving into
Speaker 3: sports as a woman, and where did that come from
Speaker 3: in your childhood, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I think it's just daddy stuff, right.
Speaker 2: My mom was a school teacher, she's retired now elementary
Speaker 2: school teacher. During the day, so my dad had me
Speaker 2: before he went into the six o'clock and eleven o'clock newscast,
Speaker 2: and they kind of traded us off, you know. My
Speaker 2: dad took care of us during the day, and then
Speaker 2: when my mom came home, he went and that was
Speaker 2: kind of his time. Like he told us all about teams.
Speaker 2: He told me all about you know, the storylines. He's
Speaker 2: an investigative reporter who he's really good with storytelling, and
Speaker 2: he would make these guys and these coaches and these
Speaker 2: organizations sound like my friends and kind of like I
Speaker 2: thought of you, you know, on the New York Housewives,
Speaker 2: I was like, she's my best friend.
Speaker 1: I just saw, you know.
Speaker 2: So when I started to meet them and kind of
Speaker 2: like how I you know, would talk to you over
Speaker 2: Instagram even though you know I'm not saying this in
Speaker 2: a bad way.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, I love you, or a great outfit, or you'd
Speaker 2: think that they were your good friends.
Speaker 1: So I would start to meet these people in real life.
Speaker 2: And tell them my stories about growing up and learning
Speaker 2: about them, and they'd be like, okay, Like no, but
Speaker 2: this was my life with you, so yeah, that's because
Speaker 2: of my dad. He was such a great storyteller. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it was my favorite thing to learn about.
Speaker 3: And how many other women were your peers in that space?
Speaker 3: Were there other women coming up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And NFL there were a ton in an NBA, there
Speaker 2: were a ton. But let's I mean, now, there's a
Speaker 2: lot more than there are at that time, right, or
Speaker 2: than there.
Speaker 1: Were, I guess.
Speaker 3: And are you friends with a lot of the other
Speaker 3: women in the space.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty I mean I am friends my best
Speaker 2: friend who I do a podcast with, CHRISA.
Speaker 1: Thompson. You know, we're very tight.
Speaker 2: I am friends with other women the ones that I
Speaker 2: grew up admiring, you know, I am friends with But
Speaker 2: it's it's a competitive, competitive industry. It really is for
Speaker 2: the females, which is sad. At Fox, we have a
Speaker 2: really great group. The girls are awesome and we all
Speaker 2: get together once a year and we you know, kind
Speaker 2: of all tell stories and talk about things and everything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's cutthroat. It is Wow.
Speaker 3: Well so is uh brought news for women? Like that's
Speaker 3: one of that.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, especially like of the hybrid entertainment morning
Speaker 3: talk show news, Like I know all of the women
Speaker 3: and it's shocking the stories Like remember when they had
Speaker 3: that that movie or that documented about late night wars,
Speaker 3: Like there's a female morning war that no one really
Speaker 3: talks about.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to interview you, but I am
Speaker 2: going to ask you, do you know if it's Inner Network,
Speaker 2: are we fighting in network too?
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it's Inner NX, it's Inner, it's external yeah
Speaker 3: quote yes, yes, both. It's It's complete hunger games all
Speaker 3: across every aspect of it. It's just like every woman
Speaker 3: for themselves.
Speaker 2: Let's hope she falls during the weekend so I can
Speaker 2: do the hurricane.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, exactly, like kind of or why there's
Speaker 3: a lot of housewives stuff. Why is this person getting
Speaker 3: this and I'm not getting this, et cetera. So it's
Speaker 3: very interesting. Yeah, it makes it makes perfect sense, to
Speaker 3: be honest, it is. It's tough and there aren't that
Speaker 3: many seats, so you got, you know, you have to
Speaker 3: kill somebody to go see And that's the way it is.
Speaker 3: It's not show friends, it's show business.
Speaker 1: So there it is.
Speaker 2: When I had my cervix cut out and I was
Speaker 2: wearing I've been very open about this, and there's nothing
Speaker 2: like an eighteen hour protection pad with wings on the
Speaker 2: sidelines as you're covered in bade Dallas and you know
Speaker 2: you're wearing these form fitted jeans but a long coat
Speaker 2: to hide it all.
Speaker 1: There was no way in hell.
Speaker 2: And my doctor didn't know a thing about football, and
Speaker 2: he was like, so you're going to stay off your
Speaker 2: feet for a week and a half And I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm actually on a plane tomorrow. Am I going to
Speaker 2: die of you know whatever, like a blood clot or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be on your feet. And I was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: I have to go, and so I did and.
Speaker 3: One of those bitches will take my spot, like.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you just you can't. You can't.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady, Tom Brady, And who's the guy who was it?
Speaker 3: Drew bloodsoe, who's the guy?
Speaker 1: You're blood? So good? Yeah, you're Patriots fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is Zach crazy. So I can't believe I
Speaker 3: knew that. It's only because Paul, my fiance, his father's
Speaker 3: best friends with Robbercraft for thirty years. And so I
Speaker 3: don't know why I know that story.
Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, I'm sure your fiance does.
Speaker 2: But mister Kraft, have you ever what are you wearing?
Speaker 3: I got what did he say?
Speaker 1: What was he wearing? God? What was he wearing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I was going to make a joke your car. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Uh what was he wearing? I'm going to
Speaker 1: look at think about it. That's hilarious. Magi what how
Speaker 1: do you say? It is a bagari? How do you
Speaker 1: say it? Bulgary? Bulgary?
Speaker 3: But yeah, it could be either yeah Tomato, Yeah, Capri, Capri.
Speaker 3: You know where where we saw where? You saw me exactly?
Speaker 1: All right? So you have this career.
Speaker 3: In sports that's consistent, it's successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To me. The first time I knew of you was
Speaker 3: your scam, was your people scandal? Because I was seeing
Speaker 3: it every day in the news. And then you got
Speaker 3: this big settlement and and can we can we just
Speaker 3: discuss that like the taboo of that's your it's not
Speaker 3: actually that it's not. You talked about Pamela Anderson and
Speaker 3: how the sex tape with her and Tommy Lee got
Speaker 3: out and how you kind of watched her, oh her
Speaker 3: film and and you were bawling, and you you identify
Speaker 3: with that. So I can't say it's your Kim Kardashian
Speaker 3: moment because it's kind of well known that that was
Speaker 3: a produced, put out there film and yours was a
Speaker 3: people and it wasn't. But what do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I you know, I think if
Speaker 2: that had happened now, it would have been received much differently.
Speaker 1: That was before me.
Speaker 2: Too, That was before you know, shaming, That was before
Speaker 2: any of the bullying.
Speaker 1: That was before all of that. And the day that
Speaker 1: that broke and was.
Speaker 2: Purchased or put by a website that hul Cogan coincidentally
Speaker 2: ended up suing and getting a lot of money for
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: Oh I remember with that Larry that yeah Layer it
Speaker 3: was well so.
Speaker 1: Yees walker site. So they're the same ones that did
Speaker 1: it to me.
Speaker 2: So what happened was he tried selling it, first of
Speaker 2: all to TMZ, which is really an unbelievable story. Harvey
Speaker 2: Levin saw it right away and was like, we don't.
Speaker 2: We don't get into the business of this.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Harvey Levin. More on that after the break.
Speaker 2: So then what he did was he put it up
Speaker 2: on a site that was in Europe. We had no
Speaker 2: jurisdiction on it. We couldn't get it down, which is fucked.
Speaker 2: So then from there.
Speaker 3: Because there is no Europe, the Internet is the Internet's right,
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even say Europe. It's just you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And this was before Bethany, was.
Speaker 2: Before because my the guys on my I love them.
Speaker 2: My FBI team went on to work with this as well.
Speaker 2: When all the photos of the actresses started leaking out,
Speaker 2: I forgot who that was or what who did that?
Speaker 3: People knew like in their vacations and so they were phones.
Speaker 2: Were being hacked and all that. Yes, well all of this,
Speaker 2: so I was kind of the first one. So then
Speaker 2: this website that was kind of tracking my career and
Speaker 2: every little thing I do. A She's eating a Cuban
Speaker 2: sandwich for a Miami game. It looks phallic. Let's put it.
Speaker 1: Up, you know, shit like that.
Speaker 2: They're the ones that decided one day, let's put it up,
Speaker 2: and they shouldn't have It's a felony you do that,
Speaker 2: and I yeah. So anyways, they put it up, my
Speaker 2: life blows up. I start getting calls. I have a meltdown.
Speaker 2: I never in a million years thought I had a stalker.
Speaker 3: All the things, well, let's go through it. Let's go So,
Speaker 3: first of all, you don't even know what this is.
Speaker 3: This has never happened before. You haven't really heard of this.
Speaker 3: I mean, there can be no invalidation of like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, you're just violated and exposed and like embarrassed,
Speaker 3: and I mean I can't what was that part.
Speaker 1: Like, oh it was awful.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not someone that whatever, And there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with people that do do that and want to
Speaker 2: be photographed.
Speaker 1: But that is the complete opposite of me. I am
Speaker 1: very like, I'm good, I you know, have stretch marks.
Speaker 1: I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I don't need it out there. So that was a
Speaker 2: complete opposite. I found my point because this was before
Speaker 2: me too, bullying, shaming, all the things. This was put
Speaker 2: on the front pages of everything my naked body, I mean,
Speaker 2: and it said scandal and it was anything but a scandal.
Speaker 1: A violation, violation, It was.
Speaker 2: A crime, but it was looked at as I did
Speaker 2: this to further my career.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And it was fucked up and it was maging, and
Speaker 2: it has caused a lot of PTSD, a lot of
Speaker 2: which I should still go to therapy for and I
Speaker 2: promise I will, But I just for so long, I
Speaker 2: already had a chip on my shoulder, right, I was
Speaker 2: a female in the industry.
Speaker 1: I was trying to.
Speaker 2: Yes, so long I didn't play, but listen, I wanted
Speaker 2: to dress nice, have hair extensions, not wear oversized shit
Speaker 2: like workout.
Speaker 3: You trying to ride the line, not being too hot enough, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you were trying to be You are attractive, so it's
Speaker 3: okay to be attractive in sports.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to change things a little bit in
Speaker 2: my own way. You can care about the way you look,
Speaker 2: do your nails, do your hair, dye your hair, and
Speaker 2: still know the x'es and o's with the guys. It's okay, right,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be ashamed of that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I was dealing with a whole new layer in terms
Speaker 2: of here's my body. People think I did this to
Speaker 2: get an edge, to get it, and it was the
Speaker 2: exact opposite. And the worst part of it was is
Speaker 2: that we still had to stay quiet. Well, first of all,
Speaker 2: we had to convince authorities that this wasn't a scandal,
Speaker 2: that this really happened to me.
Speaker 1: I had to I was brought down in California.
Speaker 2: I was living in Atlanta at the time I was
Speaker 2: brought down to California. And also because this happened in
Speaker 2: so many places, and also because the internet, because the
Speaker 2: laws weren't keeping up with how fast the Internet was growing.
Speaker 1: There no law. I get it.
Speaker 3: What do you mean that's what's going on in reality
Speaker 3: TV right now?
Speaker 1: I fully get it.
Speaker 3: You couldn't believe that it was mayhem and then it
Speaker 3: happened to you. But what I'm struck by is that
Speaker 3: the very thing you were fighting in sports, that industry
Speaker 3: was all washed away in a day. Like you just
Speaker 3: did all this work to be this credible person that
Speaker 3: has the knowledge to then be like objectified without your choice.
Speaker 3: And it's also striking me that even when I say
Speaker 3: it made you more well known, et cetera, but it
Speaker 3: only made you more well known because you fought it, like,
Speaker 3: you took it to the next level. You could have
Speaker 3: just been, you know, an anecdote of it happened to
Speaker 3: you and you just let it go, but you kind
Speaker 3: of really fought it. So you getting the settlement and
Speaker 3: you fighting for your rights is kind of probably way
Speaker 3: more why it made you so much bigger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it actually.
Speaker 2: I mean I had been kind of a male I
Speaker 2: had a male audience, right, I had a male follow
Speaker 2: and then you know, I get brought up and I
Speaker 2: get put on this jury or you know, on this
Speaker 2: stand in court and.
Speaker 1: People hadn't seen me cry.
Speaker 2: I'm breaking out in a massive heat rash because I've
Speaker 2: massive anxiety. My parents are falling apart in court. They
Speaker 2: are showing the jury the video and I am beyond mortified.
Speaker 2: I mean, my that is like covering up windows and
Speaker 2: making sure like because my dad worked in the industry,
Speaker 2: making sure television cameras were unplugged because the case was
Speaker 2: being put on live and on television. My dad didn't
Speaker 2: want it back out as I went through. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what you how you are. I was talking
Speaker 2: to Brookshields about this. When things are traumatic in my life,
Speaker 2: I go through a really glazed over period where I'm there,
Speaker 2: but I'm not there, and I'm so lucky I've had
Speaker 2: amazing lawyers my parents to kind of deal because I
Speaker 2: kind of go out of body and I'm like, I'm here,
Speaker 2: but I'm not here. I didn't really pay attention to
Speaker 2: all the fact finding in the court. In my case.
Speaker 2: I knew that the hotel led him in. I knew
Speaker 2: that they fucking lied about letting him in all the things,
Speaker 2: and you know, my my lawyer, you know, came out
Speaker 2: and proved it and was amazing about it. But when
Speaker 2: you sit there and you listen to the closing remarks,
Speaker 2: I sat next to one of my my lawyers and
Speaker 2: the obviously the other one was doing it, and he
Speaker 2: was a little like he was just awesome. He was
Speaker 2: just going and going and going and well of all
Speaker 2: the evidence that they had and what this did to
Speaker 2: me and how unsafe this hotel was, and I just
Speaker 2: I started to feel like I was going to pass out.
Speaker 2: And I look, I said to my lawyer, I'm going
Speaker 2: to pass out. I'm going to pass out. I'm going
Speaker 2: to pass out, and he's like.
Speaker 1: Too much. There was too much information, it was too much.
Speaker 2: And I'd been glazed over and he's like, you can't
Speaker 2: pass out. You can't pass out. So I just started
Speaker 2: to think, I go. I started going through numbers of Jersey,
Speaker 2: numbers of players. I was like three Russell Wilson, four,
Speaker 2: Brett far Fun, like I just had.
Speaker 1: It was my only way. But it was, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was amazing.
Speaker 2: And that was the moment I think when women started
Speaker 2: seeing like all the shit I had been through, and
Speaker 2: even her side was saying.
Speaker 1: Her career got better, she got better because has of it.
Speaker 1: She made more money, she got more exposure.
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, come on, I will leave with this
Speaker 2: PTSD for Are you insane?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, but part of me is like, good, you're more successful.
Speaker 3: You fought because I've fought for things that are really
Speaker 3: hard to fight for. And I get that, like you know,
Speaker 3: you know, good for you, like I mean, and not
Speaker 3: good for you that it happened to you.
Speaker 1: It's horrific, but you got.
Speaker 3: I watched, and I obviously didn't know the day that
Speaker 3: it happened to you.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't on my radar, but I watched as a woman,
Speaker 3: and you're right. The reason you're on my radar is
Speaker 3: because I was like, wow, and I only thought of
Speaker 3: it as a violation. I didn't think about any of
Speaker 3: that other stuff. But I just know it was the
Speaker 3: first time I knew of you. So there's something that
Speaker 3: needs to be, you know, discussed when you discussed that
Speaker 3: kind of thing, because it's reality, and it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Make it any better.
Speaker 3: I've been known for a disgusting divorce doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: that's positive, even if you win the argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt so bad for you by the way
Speaker 2: I loved you. You know, it BAEd you through the
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you a question from inception, from
Speaker 3: the moment that that happened to you to it being completed,
Speaker 3: how long was that.
Speaker 1: Period from oh, the court case, No, from.
Speaker 3: The here's the day this happened to me, my life
Speaker 3: is over to the court case is finalized, Like I'm
Speaker 3: free and I fought for something and I won.
Speaker 2: It was probably two thousand nine that happened to me.
Speaker 2: We didn't go to court till sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: That's what people don't realize, So like, that's what people
Speaker 3: don't realize. So so not until sixteen did you feel free.
Speaker 3: So seven years of your life was torment and then
Speaker 3: sixteen because I get I really that's what people don't get.
Speaker 3: They think, oh, this happened to her. She's famous.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So that's what seven years of
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's poor. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then so you were not married at that time.
Speaker 3: You got married after No.
Speaker 2: We were dating, and that was always something when I
Speaker 2: was getting ready to date a guy. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 2: this video of me on the internet. This is what happened.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jail, just a heads up if you see this guy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we were we were dating, we were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I swear to God, like five months later,
Speaker 2: I got diagnosed with cervical cancer. My dad got diagnosed
Speaker 2: with prostate right after too.
Speaker 1: After the trial.
Speaker 2: My dad after trial, I got cervical My dad right
Speaker 2: after my incident. A couple months after my incident came
Speaker 2: out of the you know, stocker video came out.
Speaker 1: My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer. And people don't
Speaker 1: think like this from stress on your body.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, wild, wild, Yeah, you
Speaker 3: have a you think and there are there studies or
Speaker 3: you just no one can.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think there's so many stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, let me put my stress related brings it
Speaker 2: out right, brings it out of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was kind of like didn't twenty seventeen, I
Speaker 2: was diagnosed three weeks into the football season.
Speaker 1: It was like a new year. I was so excited.
Speaker 1: We had this Super Bowl core case behind me, like
Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, and it was just like holy crap, seriously, yeah.
Speaker 3: And so what is cervical cancer? What is the process,
Speaker 3: what is the road to recovery? What what is that journey?
Speaker 2: So with cervical cancer and not to get you know,
Speaker 2: on my high horse, you shouldn't be dying of it
Speaker 2: because women should go and get checked. And that was
Speaker 2: one thing that was so crazy about being so vocal
Speaker 2: about it. So many women don't go to the doctor
Speaker 2: for a yearly exam for their annual, right, That's why
Speaker 2: it's called an annual.
Speaker 1: And I've always been really good about it.
Speaker 2: My mom, right before school was already like, let's go
Speaker 2: to the dentist, so you're going to get your physical.
Speaker 2: You know. Now it's like Guyino hair extension, you know,
Speaker 2: like all that crap you take for you the season starts.
Speaker 2: So I was always really good about getting my annual.
Speaker 2: And that's why when I got it and I got
Speaker 2: a call on a Saturday of all places, as I'm
Speaker 2: getting ready to do Giants Eagles, my guy knows, like,
Speaker 2: we have a really this is a really bad test,
Speaker 2: like you have these cancer cells all over.
Speaker 1: We have to do a hysterecto. Meet now. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 2: And that's where I was really wrong with all of it,
Speaker 2: is that I jumped into things, and I jumped into
Speaker 2: a really aggressive surgery. I should have gotten a second opinion.
Speaker 2: That's my one thing I'll say about healthcare. If people
Speaker 2: are dealing with stuff, if you can get a second opinion,
Speaker 2: please do it. But with cervical cancer, you should just
Speaker 2: you you shouldn't die of it. People and people are,
Speaker 2: which is wild. You need to go to the doctor
Speaker 2: every single year and get checked out. And then when
Speaker 2: because you're.
Speaker 3: Saying go to your regular doctor and you're vuya, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're saying yep.
Speaker 2: And all it was was, you know, an exam and
Speaker 2: she saw cancer cells. But she was so worried because
Speaker 2: there was a good amount of it that she felt
Speaker 2: like in order to save you know, well, she wasn't
Speaker 2: even talking about that she was saying, let's get a
Speaker 2: hysterect to meet which I which I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Have even thought of.
Speaker 2: So I went and I had a very aggressive surgery.
Speaker 2: I should have gone to an oncologist. She took out
Speaker 2: way too much. But unfortunately in other areas the cancer
Speaker 2: went past the market margin. So I had to get
Speaker 2: two surgeries all during the football season.
Speaker 3: That sounds traumatic. It was all that sounds that sounds
Speaker 3: traumatic coming off of what you came off of, and
Speaker 3: and you still weren't married at that time.
Speaker 1: We weren't married.
Speaker 2: I had been freezing my eggs just because I didn't
Speaker 2: know when we were thinking about getting married or having kids.
Speaker 2: And I knew that if we couldn't clear up you
Speaker 2: know what I had through basically removing my cervix, that
Speaker 2: the next step was going to be a hysterectomy.
Speaker 1: So it was a lot to swallow for a guy who.
Speaker 2: We weren't even a games going to pologist with his
Speaker 2: girlfriend and they're like, you may want to start talking
Speaker 2: about having kids.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we don't even have, Like we're not even
Speaker 1: getting married. It was a lot.
Speaker 3: How long had you been together at that point?
Speaker 1: We had been together probably six years. So we knew
Speaker 1: we were going to get married. We just were you know, coasta,
Speaker 1: but you were younger.
Speaker 3: He was so and he was an amazing support. It
Speaker 3: sounds like he really just was.
Speaker 1: Through all of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the stuff you know that gets
Speaker 3: unsexy as you get older, that you really want a partner.
Speaker 3: You know, like, it's not it's not that hot.
Speaker 1: It's not the person that's.
Speaker 3: The most fun and gives the best toasts and is
Speaker 3: a great dancer and is like, you know, is really fun.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like you ride or die because we're
Speaker 3: all getting older, and that's that's not that your husband
Speaker 3: isn't sexy and amazing and fun. Because it sounds like
Speaker 3: you're getting to the story where you guys are out
Speaker 3: getting wasted before you found out you were gonna have
Speaker 3: a baby. But I just think that's that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: And so then so then you get married and you
Speaker 3: want to have children and not being able to have
Speaker 3: children the natural way was never a conversation. It was
Speaker 3: something that was in your family. It was not discussed.
Speaker 2: No, we tried, but because I basically had most of
Speaker 2: my cervix removed, there was nothing to hold the baby in.
Speaker 2: I mean, we went to high risk doctors and so forth,
Speaker 2: and those are fun, those are really really fun appointments
Speaker 2: to have. But they basically told me, because you don't
Speaker 2: have much to carry this baby, because a lot had
Speaker 2: been removed due to my surgery, that if say I'm
Speaker 2: in Green Bay and I go into early labor, They're like,
Speaker 2: you're staying in Green Bay for nine months?
Speaker 1: What I can't where? You know? Where am I staying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they even talk to you're well aware
Speaker 2: of things like this stitching the baby in and all that,
Speaker 2: and just for my lifestyle and just for trying to
Speaker 2: have a healthy baby after everything I had gone through.
Speaker 2: We were like, this isn't going to work. I mean,
Speaker 2: and we had tried. We had tried to get pregnant,
Speaker 2: we had tried all that. Yeah, you know, if I
Speaker 2: get pregnant, I'll make it work. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: I go into early labor all you.
Speaker 1: Know, crush it. But I just couldn't get pregnant.
Speaker 3: It's too skin Well. But also you're saying that the
Speaker 3: surgery that you had as a result of your cervical cancer,
Speaker 3: it could have been avoided. And then so when you
Speaker 3: were having problems having kids. You were thinking back to
Speaker 3: that surgery and how everything's a domino effect. So had
Speaker 3: that gone differently? Yeah, so you go from a pepolest
Speaker 3: scandal into cancer, into a surgery that you feel was
Speaker 3: unnecessary that led to infertility. Yeah, I'm so sorry like that.
Speaker 1: I read this and good things.
Speaker 3: I swear, No, we're getting there. We're getting sorry everybody
Speaker 3: for this movie. But I didn't write it, but I
Speaker 3: read your piece and Glamour magazine. I was actually crying
Speaker 3: in the car because you guys felt so traumatized and
Speaker 3: you were saying that you know you'd be on the
Speaker 3: field and running to go take the injections. And so
Speaker 3: you go through an IVF journey. So can you tell
Speaker 3: us about that? And I also want to hear how
Speaker 3: your community in sports was about this foreign topic in
Speaker 3: this world of men with you going off doing you know,
Speaker 3: injections and things like that your husband's not there with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I did nine years of IVF and a lot
Speaker 2: of that was just I mean, I still thought at
Speaker 2: the time, I'm going to power through, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be able to carry this kid. But I couldn't even
Speaker 2: get pregnant and then on top of it, I don't know,
Speaker 2: did you do IVF, Bethany, I didn't. Oh, okay, I
Speaker 2: just couldn't produce eggs. So it was you know, these
Speaker 2: doctors are like, well, let's do another round, let's do
Speaker 2: another round, and so I just yeah, for nine years,
Speaker 2: was like, let's go, let's go, let's let's pump it out,
Speaker 2: and gosh, those drugs were fine.
Speaker 3: No, Well, how much did that journey cost?
Speaker 1: That IVF journey? Yeah, it costs a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean I think a round costs close to thirty
Speaker 2: k each time, for each year, no, each each round
Speaker 2: of I.
Speaker 3: And how often? How many rounds do you have to do?
Speaker 1: I did nine?
Speaker 3: Oh nine total?
Speaker 1: You did nine?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's yeah, that's that's a fortune for most people.
Speaker 3: So you did nine rounds, and then how defeated are you?
Speaker 3: Because during those rounds, you're feeling discussed, You're feeling.
Speaker 2: Horrible, awful, You're feeling horrible, You're already hormonal because of
Speaker 2: everything you're pumping in you and you have to go
Speaker 2: to your partner and tell them that you just got
Speaker 2: a phone call that said none of them were viable,
Speaker 2: none of them worked. I mean, you feel yeah, you
Speaker 2: feel awful, your body is changing because of the crap
Speaker 2: you're putting in your body. You're you are basically convincing
Speaker 2: yourself it's not going to work. Then you get the
Speaker 2: call that it doesn't work. Then you're trying to It's
Speaker 2: like this, you're trying to psych yourself up. Okay, you
Speaker 2: know what this time, they're going to get the drugs right,
Speaker 2: like going to Yeah, it's a mess.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: You get like this false hope and then you get
Speaker 3: crashed down lower and then you have to get excited again.
Speaker 1: I've heard this and do a good time to date,
Speaker 1: you know, Apparently.
Speaker 3: It just sounds your dating profile. My dating profile said
Speaker 3: one sentence only had no information nothing besides I only
Speaker 3: sweat the small stuff. Yours could be like I've got
Speaker 3: a whole lot of things, frank of shit. Here wait,
Speaker 3: I'm come with a lot of come with a lot
Speaker 3: of lugage.
Speaker 1: But who doesn't.
Speaker 3: So did you feel I've heard women say that they
Speaker 3: feel flawed and damage, like in self conscious with their partner, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you could have been with someone who could have given
Speaker 3: like did you go through all that? N't know?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you could have been with some young twenty
Speaker 2: year old that you know is just pumping out kids
Speaker 2: left and right. You don't have to spend all this money.
Speaker 2: You don't have to wait ten days to get the results.
Speaker 2: And it's bad news. Oh yeah, all of it. You
Speaker 2: got the like I said, you know, one of our
Speaker 2: lowest points. I think it was like our third realm
Speaker 2: that we did. And he was trying to and again,
Speaker 2: we're not married, we're engaged. This guy doesn't have to
Speaker 2: we're not engaged. This guy doesn't have to stick around.
Speaker 2: So you can't work out. You can't drink, which are
Speaker 2: you can't have you know, any physical activity with your
Speaker 2: partner because you can't drinking drinking? Yeah yeah, And so
Speaker 2: working out is the only way I get through things.
Speaker 2: And then you add a cocktail, please God, yes, but
Speaker 2: you take away all those things from Oh my god, Wow,
Speaker 2: what a treat this girl is. So I go to
Speaker 2: take a walk because that's the only thing you can do.
Speaker 2: And you got to eat because you know you have
Speaker 2: to stay nourished and you want things to but you
Speaker 2: don't want to eat because you're like, I can't freaking
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 1: I feel like he makes me a smooth And I
Speaker 1: was like, just don't put.
Speaker 2: Peanut butter in it, Like I just don't puts peanut
Speaker 2: butter in it. We almost break up, I said, and
Speaker 2: he said, Aaron, I can't do this, like you're.
Speaker 1: Cute for pretty pet, but are you asshole? The fuck
Speaker 1: is wrong with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrible. He sounds terrible. He should have put
Speaker 3: that on his dating shit, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What a more?
Speaker 3: He is so unsupportive that is weird. You should give
Speaker 3: him number. He should come on here and talk about
Speaker 3: what his place of winding is good? All right? So
Speaker 3: you go through IVF. You look at each other, You're like,
Speaker 3: we're not We're done doing this. Now, what's next on
Speaker 3: the menu?
Speaker 1: What's next on the menu?
Speaker 2: Was? We were like, are we gonna try or are
Speaker 2: we gonna you know, transfer one in me and see
Speaker 2: if it works and if I can carry it. It was
Speaker 2: just too much risk because I didn't have much in
Speaker 2: the bank in terms of embryos. So finally, twenty twenty Easter,
Speaker 2: we're all locked down, we're all miserable, we're alone. Normally
Speaker 2: we go to our friend's house and celebrate with them
Speaker 2: and their kids, and it was just like, what are
Speaker 2: we doing? This is we want a family, why are
Speaker 2: we wasting time? So then the search was on to
Speaker 2: find the right group, to find the right surrogate, to
Speaker 2: figure out, you know, our family.
Speaker 3: And surrogacy was something that you didn't really understand. It
Speaker 3: just didn't seem like something was ever going to be
Speaker 3: for you, and you had to kind of like open
Speaker 3: up the taboo and look at it, like, what is that?
Speaker 2: Even you know, in twenty twenty, it was talked about,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of like who's who really knows
Speaker 2: until you're in the thick of it. Even my best
Speaker 2: friends that were with me along this whole journey kind
Speaker 2: of still didn't understand because it's just not really talked about.
Speaker 2: It's just now, you know, starting to be the thing,
Speaker 2: and people are saying, hey, I went to this not
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to get fat or because I
Speaker 2: want to miss time with my job, because this is
Speaker 2: the way we were able to have a baby. And yeah,
Speaker 2: once we got in it, of course, Bethany, it's never easy.
Speaker 1: Our first round we lost two, we lost twins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you finally went to a direction that already
Speaker 3: seemed unknown and edgy for you, and you know, and
Speaker 3: that you lose too.
Speaker 1: That sounded horrific.
Speaker 2: Awful, and of course I didn't deal with it very well.
Speaker 2: I was glazed over. My husband was an absolute mess.
Speaker 2: We also went into its super blind. We thought, listen,
Speaker 2: this is gonna work, like, how could it not. We
Speaker 2: have science on our side, we have our doctor, we
Speaker 2: have this great woman. More times than none, it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: And you're saying you went through nine you went through
Speaker 3: the whole journey. You thought you were having babies, and
Speaker 3: then she lost the babies towards the end.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, she didn't lose the babies
Speaker 1: towards the end. No, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 2: But we went into the whole thing with this sarrogacy
Speaker 2: thinking it's gonna work, like it's going to have you know,
Speaker 2: so that we were really blind about because we thought
Speaker 2: we had everything on our side, and yeah I didn't
Speaker 2: and a lot more times than none, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So we but it ended up leading us to this
Speaker 1: path and look like it was all worth it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so you have a baby. I have a baby. You
Speaker 1: have an actual real baby? Really? Yeah you?
Speaker 2: None of you people told all of us hoping to
Speaker 2: get babies at six weeks they wake up and they
Speaker 2: are wild, like what happened to my cute little like newborn?
Speaker 2: That was just like nam He woke up and he.
Speaker 3: Was like, ah, what's his name?
Speaker 1: His name is mac m ack?
Speaker 3: And are you both helicoptering because you can't believe that
Speaker 3: you have this real baby after over a decade.
Speaker 2: I think I helicoptered more with my golden retriever because
Speaker 2: he was the firstborn than I am with this one.
Speaker 2: We're grateful to have awesome help. She's guiding us through
Speaker 2: this whole thing because I don't know crap. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I feel like I'm in school every single day
Speaker 2: learning what's wrong?
Speaker 1: Were diaper changed? Burping? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3: Well, the structure is your friend. The naps when the
Speaker 3: baby's napping is your friend. And sticking to the schedule
Speaker 3: is really And that means I remember when you had
Speaker 3: a dog and every four hours you'd walk your dog,
Speaker 3: but then sometimes it became five, but still we're sort
Speaker 3: of sticking to the fore with an extra hour. But
Speaker 3: you had that like guideline. That's how it was for me,
Speaker 3: and it was great. Like the second that baby's down,
Speaker 3: you are trying to run to get a manicure or
Speaker 3: lay down and watch that. You cannot play games, you
Speaker 3: cannot be online jopp, and you cannot time suck. Time
Speaker 3: is your only friend and those naps are your only friends.
Speaker 3: That's the only thing that I really remember, which it does.
Speaker 3: Everyone says it goes so quickly, so I won't say
Speaker 3: something so trite. And were you when you had brand
Speaker 3: I think I was like thirty eight, thirty seven, thirty eight,
Speaker 3: I think so, or maybe I got pregnant then it
Speaker 3: was thirty nine. She's I'm fifty two, she's thirteen, so yeah,
Speaker 3: no forty nine, Yeah, I mean thirty nine. It's really
Speaker 3: the most beautiful, amazing thing to put your life into,
Speaker 3: and what a beautiful gift for you both. And what
Speaker 3: was the choice to go? So what are people who
Speaker 3: are having a struggle having children?
Speaker 1: What's the menu? Like?
Speaker 3: Are we going to do IVF? Are we going to adopt?
Speaker 3: Are we going to do surgus?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's the menu?
Speaker 3: And why choose X over Y.
Speaker 1: In terms of IVA?
Speaker 3: Okay, well you know what I mean, Like you're a
Speaker 3: person and you're like, we're not either because of the
Speaker 3: male or the woman or the two women, we're not
Speaker 3: having kids. Naturally it's not happening. So like, then, what
Speaker 3: would you advise the menu to be, Like how to
Speaker 3: make the choice and what's right for one person versus another,
Speaker 3: you know, with those those options.
Speaker 2: I think obviously communication with your partner in terms of
Speaker 2: do we want to do this? Listen, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: my husband didn't want to, but if my husband could
Speaker 2: have had a baby, obviously I'm the same way. Naturally
Speaker 2: he would have the coolest thing about this whole experience
Speaker 2: is our woman, our surrogate, was lovely and watching my
Speaker 2: husband who's from a small farm town in Canada, didn't
Speaker 2: know much about IVF before he met me or any
Speaker 2: of those things, went into this journey like I want
Speaker 2: a baby, I'll do whatever, and getting close with our
Speaker 2: surrogate and you know, being like, yeah, no, this was
Speaker 2: a great experience. To her leaving the hospital before us
Speaker 2: because she was in such great shape and we had
Speaker 2: to do all the tests with the baby, to him
Speaker 2: shutting the door and hysterically balling and being like it's over,
Speaker 2: We're never going to see her again, and like she's
Speaker 2: given us the great He was a sobbing, emotional wreck,
Speaker 2: and like like all the best ways. And this is
Speaker 2: an alpha performer, professional athlete, like you know, he was
Speaker 2: feeling all the fields, Bethany, and it was one of
Speaker 2: the coolest experiences ever. So I think the biggest thing
Speaker 2: is having that communication with your partner that hey, we
Speaker 2: can't do it this way, we need help. So when
Speaker 2: you get help, go to the meetings together, go and
Speaker 2: get the information together. My husband was there every step
Speaker 2: of the way on the meetings with the sarrogates, talking
Speaker 2: to the to the group that put us with the sarrogate,
Speaker 2: like he was on every email because he wanted to
Speaker 2: be a part of it. And I also think it
Speaker 2: was so important for him to feel all the fields.
Speaker 2: You know, you're pregnant. He couldn't be a part of
Speaker 2: that whole thing, so this is how he was doing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a moment that they talk about after
Speaker 2: you delivered that psychologist say for closure. It is great
Speaker 2: to give the baby to the surrogate after you've had
Speaker 2: him or her and give them a moment to say goodbye.
Speaker 1: I mean they've carried this baby horse. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And my husband was like yeah, yeah, yeah, like you know,
Speaker 2: when does that happen? And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll just follow along. We'll like ask the nurses to
Speaker 2: help us. And she has this baby. They're tending to her,
Speaker 2: we're loving on him. All of a sudden, he takes
Speaker 2: his baby and he's like here and he's snapping pictures
Speaker 2: and it's one of his favorite pictures to show everybody.
Speaker 2: He goes this is our girl seeing him for the
Speaker 2: first time. I mean, my husband was so involved and
Speaker 2: so into it. It was it couldn't have gone any better.
Speaker 3: So it was like a beautiful life experience and evolution
Speaker 3: of a person who grew up on a farm that
Speaker 3: would not ever touch this kind of scenarios. Sounded to
Speaker 3: me like when you said that he balled, it was
Speaker 3: because he was fully invested. He was like tight and
Speaker 3: holding on like you were during that whole trial, and
Speaker 3: then you like collapsed after like he you know, was
Speaker 3: like you know, and you're holding it all, You're like
Speaker 3: white knuckling through a whole thing, and then like that
Speaker 3: was the release. It's really wonderful and so obviously there
Speaker 3: are all these rules. So surrogates just are we people
Speaker 3: don't hear from them. Again, it's they're not in lives.
Speaker 3: It's just it's done.
Speaker 2: We've stayed in touch with ours. You know, her birthday
Speaker 2: is this week, and I'm trying to you know, what
Speaker 2: do you give somebody that's carried your baby. We had
Speaker 2: such a wonderful relationship with ours and her family and
Speaker 2: then you know, her kids came to the hospital after
Speaker 2: and we brought the baby in for the kids to
Speaker 2: meet him and stuff, because they took care of him too,
Speaker 2: you know, they were there and wow, Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we stay in touch with our girl. We love her.
Speaker 3: And you think you will, like I feel like that
Speaker 3: was on this is us also, you will like in
Speaker 3: the future, like the surrogate can meet the child or
Speaker 3: that's too weird, like what are the rules?
Speaker 2: And psychologist, I think if you know, And the cool
Speaker 2: thing is they leave that open for us as parents
Speaker 2: and the surrogate and so forth to you know, and
Speaker 2: I would do it.
Speaker 1: She's such a special individual. She's still caring.
Speaker 2: I mean, she has two kids that she's adopted on
Speaker 2: her own. She's you know, she's she's a full blown angel.
Speaker 3: And so you're an advocate now for this you're kind
Speaker 3: of really talking about. It's spreading information and leaning in.
Speaker 2: You know, the whole thing going through it, And you
Speaker 2: mentioned the bills of IVF and that's not even the
Speaker 2: bills of surrogacy. Every time we would get a bill, listen,
Speaker 2: we weren't being like, oh my god, this is just
Speaker 2: so ext I kept thinking, Jesus, how do people pay
Speaker 2: for this that aren't a professional athlete.
Speaker 1: Or you know what I mean, like real people.
Speaker 2: And it's just I just kept saying to the woman
Speaker 2: who you know, set us up with our surrogate, who
Speaker 2: has this incredible company, this is bullshit, Like how do
Speaker 2: people do this for LBGTQ community, for you know, people
Speaker 2: that have suffered from cancer and mortgage their future because
Speaker 2: they're going through treatment and then are trying to have
Speaker 2: a baby on top of it. So I just we've
Speaker 2: aligned ourselves with this group called Baby Quest, who actually,
Speaker 2: you know, my girl who has the surrogate company, goes
Speaker 2: to a lot and they help give grants to people
Speaker 2: who are in need, whether it's IVF, whether it's to
Speaker 2: help them with surrogacy and so forth.
Speaker 1: Because the insurance.
Speaker 2: Let alone, the money, let alone, it's it's insane what
Speaker 2: they're charging people.
Speaker 1: They rake you over the coals and that's a whole
Speaker 1: other thing that makes you think about right.
Speaker 2: And I just think that surrogacy has been looked at
Speaker 2: as kind of like a luxury. That people are doing
Speaker 2: it because you know, it fits in with their schedule.
Speaker 1: They don't want to look you know, they don't want
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 2: Fat or they don't want their body to change, and
Speaker 2: it's not a lot of people are using it because
Speaker 2: they this is the way they can have a baby.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's so freaking expensive, and I want to
Speaker 2: kind of make I want to make a change here
Speaker 2: and about it.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, you're in some way as a
Speaker 3: private person, but you're leaning into something because you didn't
Speaker 3: realize this whole space existing. Well, so I see the
Speaker 3: clothing behind you, Kyl, is your business doing.
Speaker 1: It's good. Good. All I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about is skinny Girl.
Speaker 2: And I want, like, I mean, I some of the
Speaker 2: best days are when old episodes are on and you're
Speaker 2: at the grocery store and you're begging people to try
Speaker 2: your stuff, and Bethany, I'm not obviously as accomplished as
Speaker 2: you are, and sitting where you are, you are goals.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to do. Biggest thing you learn
Speaker 2: from doing that company. Like if you could give somebody
Speaker 2: like me and I would attend a seminar about, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to become an entrepreneur. What are some of the
Speaker 2: things that you learned that you know I'm going through
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: Well, well behind you, is that a licensing deal or
Speaker 3: that's you own that?
Speaker 2: So it's mine, I own it, but of course to
Speaker 2: have you know, we have some of the licenses. We
Speaker 2: go through some of the licenses for fanatics. That's where
Speaker 2: sports is a little tricky because then you get it.
Speaker 2: You have to have a manufacturer distribute all the things.
Speaker 2: But yes, we own it.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you own one hundred percent of that company.
Speaker 1: Who's weak.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I own one hundred percent of the company.
Speaker 2: But then when you sell, you know NFL, they get
Speaker 2: a percentage, and then your market.
Speaker 3: They have the license you have, you own, you own it,
Speaker 3: they license.
Speaker 2: It, right, I do have some of the licenses for
Speaker 2: some of those sports NFL I do not.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. So if I sell
Speaker 1: their clothes, like if.
Speaker 3: You have to get them a royal, you're paying them
Speaker 3: a royalty. That's I'm saying. They're like the licensee you're
Speaker 3: paying them the royalty. Yes, yes, yes, but that's but
Speaker 3: you own. That's this is great because that's the one
Speaker 3: piece of advice I was going to give is that
Speaker 3: all these people I was just talking about this earlier
Speaker 3: on Housewives, where everybody thinks they have businesses because they're
Speaker 3: selling handbags and clothes and hair and all this other shit,
Speaker 3: it's a licensing deal and they're not making real money.
Speaker 3: The reason that Skinny Girl was such a jugg or
Speaker 3: not was yes, because I pushed it through, because I
Speaker 3: am relentless, because I'm organized, Because all business is case law,
Speaker 3: and you have to look at all the other cases
Speaker 3: before that, other people I've done, and that you've done,
Speaker 3: and you have to know the temperature of the tides.
Speaker 3: But that was the one business that I knew was
Speaker 3: my ace in the hole. I had a feeling about it.
Speaker 3: So when asked did I want to do licensing or equity,
Speaker 3: I did not know what either of those words even meant,
Speaker 3: but I asked for the definition of them, and I said, no,
Speaker 3: this one, I want skin in the game. I need
Speaker 3: to own this one. I don't want to do a
Speaker 3: licensing deal, and I've done licensing deals for a bunch
Speaker 3: of other things that I make a lot of money
Speaker 3: off of. But my shape, where my salad dressing, my coffee.
Speaker 3: They weren't my ace in the hole. They were great ideas,
Speaker 3: they're great products, but it wasn't like I'm going to
Speaker 3: start something that's going to I've invented the skinny margarite
Speaker 3: to the first person ever in history to do this,
Speaker 3: then invent a category. So for that, I wanted to
Speaker 3: hold on to it. So you kind of have to
Speaker 3: know what things to hold on to, when to hold them,
Speaker 3: and went to fold them. Everything's not a good idea.
Speaker 3: Everything's not your baby, and you got to let go
Speaker 3: of things and hold onto things, and you got to
Speaker 3: know what's what and what's not.
Speaker 2: Much of that world was dominated by men because mine is.
Speaker 3: Was your I've decided that every I didn't think about it.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it. I walked into the first time
Speaker 3: I walked into a liquor store to do a signing,
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, what was I think? Why
Speaker 3: did I go into this? I hadn't succeeded yet. I
Speaker 3: was like, I would never have gone into this if
Speaker 3: I knew it was so competitive. But every person I
Speaker 3: dealt with was a man, and before a Skinny Girl,
Speaker 3: no one had ever marketed alcohol to women, So women
Speaker 3: weren't drinking tequila before a Skinny Girl, clear tequila all
Speaker 3: that drink. The skinny Margarite had changed the entire industry
Speaker 3: for celebrities jumping into alcohol for low calorie for those
Speaker 3: ready to drink cans. I cracked through. But I did
Speaker 3: not think about it as a man's business because I
Speaker 3: didn't even know to think about it. So I'm like
Speaker 3: an ignorance is bliss type of person. I just plow
Speaker 3: through and be better than the men, not unlike yourself. So, yes,
Speaker 3: it's a men's business, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think about it being a man's business
Speaker 2: until I had to sit in these meetings and try
Speaker 2: to convince men that women needed an option in team apparel.
Speaker 2: I was like, listen to me, there's no I mean
Speaker 2: there is. It's a there's a massive white space. And
Speaker 2: I said, if you want the pink and been dazzled,
Speaker 2: sure it's there, but that's not me, right boy, Like
Speaker 2: I need like the you know, my bass items.
Speaker 1: I need those items, and I you know.
Speaker 2: Also, the fashion needs to evolve every single year, like
Speaker 2: it does for real life clothing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's been.
Speaker 2: It's been really really interesting. You are, like I said, goals,
Speaker 2: not to fangirl, but I remember the old town home
Speaker 2: you had that was like the skinny girl headquarters of
Speaker 2: a house. Because of you, I bought a house and
Speaker 2: this is our headquarters. Like I wanted the brick wall
Speaker 2: that you had in the back and all like the
Speaker 2: fun things when you would show up, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: we have concrete and stuff like that, but this was
Speaker 2: because you.
Speaker 1: Wanted a space. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing I would say about those met I think
Speaker 3: what I do with everything is I show them before
Speaker 3: they believe it, so I talk is cheap. Like I
Speaker 3: said that I knew that I had this guest. I
Speaker 3: knew it was going to break the internet. And everyone,
Speaker 3: no one's listening to me. No one around me is listening,
Speaker 3: thank you. No one is listening to me around me.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Some people care about it, but other people are like,
Speaker 3: she's not going to be smart some you know, some
Speaker 3: people are like it's not going to rate on YouTube.
Speaker 3: No one's going to care. And I just do my
Speaker 3: own thing, like I'm like, we're doing this, we're leaning
Speaker 3: all into this, I know, or anything, and then the
Speaker 3: numbers don't lie. So you have to find the right
Speaker 3: people to be wearing it, to be influencing it, to
Speaker 3: be pushing it through. And then the numbers don't You
Speaker 3: have the numbers. That's why I paid tred and fifty
Speaker 3: dollars for housewives.
Speaker 1: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: Put me out, put me in, coach, you put me in.
Speaker 3: I'm going to get the numbers later. So I never
Speaker 3: worry about the money. The money always comes in Every
Speaker 3: multi billion billionaire mogul that I've had on just b
Speaker 3: that has been really successful, has said that they've never
Speaker 3: been motivated by the money. The money comes because of
Speaker 3: the passion and the drive. So don't worry about the
Speaker 3: conference rooms and the men understanding. You'll show them the numbers.
Speaker 3: They understand numbers. The men understand the numbers. So get
Speaker 3: the numbers to happen, and then show them the numbers,
Speaker 3: and then it will fall. You know, it will be
Speaker 3: a circular reference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I love it. You're amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 2: How many people say that you and Oprah were always
Speaker 2: the people I'm like, I just want to drink with them.
Speaker 3: I will love it, you said, people say it on
Speaker 3: the street, But No, not enough people say it, but yeah,
Speaker 3: and people say, you know, I want to be your
Speaker 3: best friend and things like that, and but I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have thought that you would ever say that
Speaker 3: to me. I am so insular that I don't even
Speaker 3: know that people that there are some people that like me.
Speaker 1: No, i'mbsessed.
Speaker 3: All Well, thank you, I appreciate it. Well, you're amazing.
Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that we did this because it
Speaker 3: made me really read about you. And I'm really happy
Speaker 3: that you're, you know, knock Wood on the other side
Speaker 3: of all of this and that you get to just
Speaker 3: live and enjoy. So now you get to focus on
Speaker 3: your baby behind you, which is the business and your
Speaker 3: real baby, and watch it fly.
Speaker 2: One talks back and spits. Oh he doesn't talk back yet,
Speaker 2: but he will. He spits up. And then this one,
Speaker 2: I just you know, I wush you all over men
Speaker 2: here takes it.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 2: I want to know what's next for you, Like it's
Speaker 2: just you are so fascinating.
Speaker 3: I have to say that, like, I plan nothing. I mean,
Speaker 3: Jill will tell you. I plan nothing. I don't want
Speaker 3: to do it. I want to do nothing. That's what's ironic.
Speaker 3: I just can't help myself because I think of things
Speaker 3: and then I get everybody on board and make everybody
Speaker 3: have to execute it. Or I'm screwing around with makeup
Speaker 3: videos that everyone that I'm doing a lot, but it's not.
Speaker 3: There's no goal. I have no goal in television. I
Speaker 3: have no goal in anything. I just do and then
Speaker 3: everybody's trying to figure out, like, oh, she's starting a
Speaker 3: beauty line, or oh she's doing this reality reckonting because
Speaker 3: she's starting a network. I'm not doing anything. I'm just
Speaker 3: screwing around. But it's time consuming screwing around. So I
Speaker 3: have no goals and no plans. I have a new
Speaker 3: line called Forever Young, which is amazing, Rose, you'll love it.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: And then I have my mocktails mingle mocktails, which are outrageous.
Speaker 3: But if you're breastfeeding, we should send you some there
Speaker 3: amazing breast didn't have the baby. So oh right, oh
Speaker 3: my god, that's so that's how much I think it's
Speaker 3: your baby's funny. That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: I said that.
Speaker 2: I forgot incredible. It's like my must see like I
Speaker 2: don't care what I'm doing. I could be sitting or
Speaker 2: a college coach. I could be sitting with an NFL coach,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, hold on, hold on, because i want
Speaker 2: to see if the ship I'm spending money on is
Speaker 2: worth it. And what's not it's not today. I just
Speaker 2: did another video because I stopped. I can't believe I
Speaker 2: just told you to drink mingle because you forever breastfeeding. Well,
Speaker 2: we just felt an hour talking about that's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Maybe you just had a glassy or rose. No, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Thinking you have a baby, and I'm thinking you're with
Speaker 3: the baby, So you just had a baby, so you
Speaker 3: can't drink. I literally was thinking, is she pumping? That's
Speaker 3: so funny. So I'm not as smart as I appear
Speaker 3: to be. So I'll send you both both because you
Speaker 3: can mix the mocktails with alcohol. Well, it was so
Speaker 3: amazing to talk to you. Have a wonderful day, and
Speaker 3: good luck with your baby and your business and your husband,
Speaker 3: and I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and enough of the story, is Aaron, because we
Speaker 2: get it. You've been through shit.
Speaker 1: No, I know I'm not. No, it's not enough.
Speaker 3: It's really no one knows. Most people don't know about
Speaker 3: all this stuff because I didn't know. So I'm really
Speaker 3: happy I read about you.
Speaker 2: No thanks, Yeah, your on Instagram is amazing. I love
Speaker 2: it so much. You make me want to try all
Speaker 2: these bagels and shit that I never even thought about before.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I want to try this.
Speaker 3: Whipped cottage cheese.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, I'm going to do some more today because
Speaker 3: I stop and then I get inspired, Like I'm inspired
Speaker 3: today to do some beauty ones because I've I got full.
Speaker 3: It's too much crap and too much stuff, and I
Speaker 3: think it's all bullshit. So not until something jumps off
Speaker 3: the page, am I now posting about it?
Speaker 1: That's why, like full disclosure?
Speaker 2: Are you literally going to drug stores and picking out
Speaker 2: shit or people just sending you that.
Speaker 3: It started out with me just doing it, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, maybe lenecentis lipla and
Speaker 3: so be careful what you wish for. And then and
Speaker 3: now it's I have to make a rule to not
Speaker 3: go to the drug store. Paul's like, you'll get millions
Speaker 3: of views if you just walk into the drug store.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just can't have another thing in this house.
Speaker 1: I have to.
Speaker 3: So every day I spend an hour in my day
Speaker 3: getting rid of stuff. I don't want it like I want,
Speaker 3: but I want to try it because it's here. So
Speaker 3: the person who owns that brand sent it to me,
Speaker 3: so I want to try it, but then I want
Speaker 3: to get the hell out of my house. So it's
Speaker 3: like there's always a giveaway bin, there's always a shipping box.
Speaker 1: It's a whole circular thing. Not as much, but if
Speaker 1: I get to take some of it, I'm sure she does.
Speaker 3: She does, but I want to preserve her skin and
Speaker 3: I want to preserve her you know, believing in the BS.
Speaker 3: So she gets stuff and it's a treat. It's not
Speaker 3: like every day she's getting stuff because I'm I'm very
Speaker 3: careful with her about.
Speaker 1: Not being spoiled.
Speaker 3: So awesome, amazing, Thank you. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 1: Bye. Thanks for me.
Speaker 3: Thanks well. I was really moved by Aaron's story. I
Speaker 3: read about it this morning and just I was honestly
Speaker 3: just moved by what people go through. I mean, we
Speaker 3: all think about our own thing and something terrible happens
Speaker 3: to us, and then you know, if you're a public person,
Speaker 3: it seems bigger when it's not bigger than someone who's
Speaker 3: not public going through something like a miscarriage or cancer
Speaker 3: or a bad divorce or anything. And I was just
Speaker 3: moved by the back to back and that she's strong
Speaker 3: and that she was still going out on the field
Speaker 3: and what choice do you have? And I just I'm
Speaker 3: just just can't believe the strength of a strong woman,
Speaker 3: like honestly, cervical cancer after a seven year people violation
Speaker 3: scandal into year or ten years of trying to have
Speaker 3: a baby, ten years of trying to have it, but baby,
Speaker 3: so through IVF and then surrogacy. I mean, God, give
Speaker 3: the woman the baby. Man, give her the damn baby.
Speaker 3: So she has the baby. And I'm so happy she
Speaker 3: doesn't have cancer. She got awarded a settlement, and she
Speaker 3: has the baby. So I feel like I could sleep tonight.
Speaker 3: Great interview, great woman excited, Buy her product, buy her sportswear,
Speaker 3: because she deserves it.