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Speaker 3: Books are awesome, right, like this book right here, Call
Speaker 3: Me Hunter by Jim Shockey. Okay, and that is our
Speaker 3: guest today, Call me Hunter. Welcome to the show, Jim Shockey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited.
Speaker 3: So the reason why you're so notoriously popular in your
Speaker 3: community is you like to like am I right?
Speaker 2: Black rifle? Hunt?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Excuse me, yes, black.
Speaker 4: Like Davy Crockett. You it's only a little bit modernized.
Speaker 4: That's how I made my name in our industry. But
Speaker 4: I use archery just as much a bow and arrow
Speaker 4: or rifle as well.
Speaker 3: Right, what do you enjoy really, you know, moving through
Speaker 3: the bush with you? Do you enjoy a compound bow?
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy the rifle muzzle style movement? What's your
Speaker 3: what do you like to there?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Gets snack?
Speaker 4: The ultimate ultimate hunters is archery. But when you're we've
Speaker 4: got a stick and a string and a and a
Speaker 4: point to errow, I mean you have to be close.
Speaker 4: So and as a hunter, if we're talking about hunting,
Speaker 4: that's what you want to do is get as close
Speaker 4: as possible to get that primal feeling of there's your
Speaker 4: quarry and you you know, I'll use this probably often
Speaker 4: touch your ancestral soul by being able to get that
Speaker 4: close to the animals. So, so archery is is is
Speaker 4: my You know that that's the ultimate in hunting, But
Speaker 4: it's also very difficult. Takes time.
Speaker 3: You feel like you're one with the animals that you're
Speaker 3: stocking and about to partake of and share. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you share the food with others, right of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are all part of nature regardless of whether
Speaker 4: we live in downtown New York City up in a pentose.
Speaker 4: You know, if we think we're not we don't have
Speaker 4: an environmental footprint because we're vegan, and give me a break, right,
Speaker 4: of course, we're all part of nature. So so yeah,
Speaker 4: when you're in the wild winds, you you're as close
Speaker 4: as you can beat. You know, what we were hopefully
Speaker 4: what we will be in the future.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly to that point. You know someone who myself.
Speaker 3: I really don't eat a lot of red meat at all,
Speaker 3: and I'll take some chicken here and there, But I
Speaker 3: would say that hunting it the way that you and
Speaker 3: others like that go out there the Cameron Hanes, yourselves
Speaker 3: of the world that go out and stalk these and
Speaker 3: then butcher it.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of self butcher.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you sell butcher or you know
Speaker 3: have of course, you know, I just feel that there's
Speaker 3: a little bit difference of what's in the supermarket versus
Speaker 3: what you're putting on your plate, Like why do I
Speaker 3: have to eat what's there? Why is somebody forcing me
Speaker 3: to eat that wrapped up food, you know, versus not?
Speaker 3: And I think a vegan is trying to do something right,
Speaker 3: and I think that the person hunting the animal that
Speaker 3: is doing something right. So everybody's going to leave a footprint.
Speaker 3: It's just at least somebody's trying to do something right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and they're standing for something right.
Speaker 4: I've got lots of friends that are vegans, and I
Speaker 4: think it's wonderful, but they also recognize that their soybean
Speaker 4: fields are monocultures that take away habitat for wadlers. The
Speaker 4: reality is there's eight billion of us in this world
Speaker 4: and there's you know, there's not enough in the way
Speaker 4: of resources, So we have to have industrial farming to
Speaker 4: feed the people live in the cities. Not everybody can
Speaker 4: go and do what I do, and it's not possible.
Speaker 4: Once we turned into an agrarian culture back ten thousand
Speaker 4: years ago, whatever anybody believes in jungle, then it's you know,
Speaker 4: we just started multiplying, and so we have to have
Speaker 4: cows and sheep and goats and pigs, and there has
Speaker 4: to be industrial farming, regardless of how people may or
Speaker 4: may not agree with the methods of raising those animals.
Speaker 4: But the reality is not everybody can be a vegan.
Speaker 4: Not everybody can be a hunter and hunter gatherer, right boot.
Speaker 4: So that's why we have the wrapped up pack. He
Speaker 4: doesn't thank goodness for the ranchers out there and the farmers. Otherwise,
Speaker 4: you know, those people in the city wouldn't have anything deep.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I just had a conversation with a Frank Kyle Bucket yesterday.
Speaker 3: He's a former Navy seal and I had him on
Speaker 3: the show and we were talking about that, and he
Speaker 3: was saying, you know, he just moved to Texas and
Speaker 3: for the first time he just like have to steer
Speaker 3: with his buddy out there. So he comes from the
Speaker 3: city where it's never like an option to have your fridge.
Speaker 2: Full of just your own food right there.
Speaker 3: He gets to Texas and it's like, hey, you want
Speaker 3: to half this with me, and it's like your food
Speaker 3: here it is, Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, sort of aside to that, I came from
Speaker 4: the other side of the spectrum where I grew up.
Speaker 4: I grew up in a trailer park out in Saskatchewan.
Speaker 4: Same and my dad didn't get his moose every fall.
Speaker 4: We didn't eat meat in the winter, so it was
Speaker 4: macaroni for us. And I didn't realize you could buy
Speaker 4: half the cow until I was in high school, and
Speaker 4: that's what I found out. Some of the other people,
Speaker 4: did you know when they didn't? You mean, if your
Speaker 4: dad doesn't get a moushie, just go buy meat. It
Speaker 4: just but but you know, so I come from the
Speaker 4: exact officeit spectrum, but just as incredulous that you could
Speaker 4: you could have.
Speaker 3: By your dad, like I'm not taking a knee. I'm
Speaker 3: getting that moose. I am not taking a knee.
Speaker 2: No, you won't.
Speaker 3: I've never taken a knee and you won't either. But
Speaker 3: getting something like that, you know, there's there's a I
Speaker 3: want to say, A holistic way of approach to the
Speaker 3: animal becoming your food is okay, right if you're doing
Speaker 3: it out of that respect.
Speaker 4: You know, it's okay for everybody. I tolerate, you know,
Speaker 4: for me, I think tolerance is the most important word
Speaker 4: going forward in this world. With eight billion of this
Speaker 4: week agree, we're going to have to understand that right
Speaker 4: and wrong as a cultural perspective, we all know what
Speaker 4: is right and what is wrong. We know that. I mean,
Speaker 4: you just you know that inside you. Cultural perspective is
Speaker 4: what I live this way. I live this way. You've
Speaker 4: got to agree with me and I don't. You know,
Speaker 4: I disagree with you, and you know I'm tolerant, but
Speaker 4: I don't agree with you. It's we have to actually
Speaker 4: be tolerant. So so I don't have a problem with
Speaker 4: how people eat from and what they believe in. And
Speaker 4: I think it's great. You know, we're going to have
Speaker 4: to start getting a long here at some point.
Speaker 3: Nowhere else to go, No, because that book right here,
Speaker 3: the call Me Hunter book, it prays on your psyche
Speaker 3: of you being out on these hunts and creating these thoughts.
Speaker 3: I have to feel like you know that have are
Speaker 3: coming into this book? Is am I kind of hitting
Speaker 3: on that, Like you're out there and you you know things,
Speaker 3: it's just you and no Internet, and you're like coming
Speaker 3: up with these ideas. Is that how this came to pass?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean honestly, I spent you when you're sitting
Speaker 4: on a mountain, yeah Kyrgustan somewhere, and you're waiting for
Speaker 4: hours and hours, you're you have time to center your focus,
Speaker 4: I guess, and I wanted to tell the story. It
Speaker 4: started when I was ten years old. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of this book is autobiographical, so that's in a way
Speaker 4: what you're asking is did some of these things happen
Speaker 4: or did you make them up? Or were they you know,
Speaker 4: did they just come out of thin air? Up? And
Speaker 4: the yeah, no, they I spent the time on those
Speaker 4: mountains figuring out a way to tell this story in
Speaker 4: a novel format. Autobiographical writing is pretty easy. It's just
Speaker 4: to me, it's not challenging. But but in a novel
Speaker 4: form that's challenging. So I spent a lot of time
Speaker 4: out in the mountains and the situations I was in,
Speaker 4: experiences that is all incorporated into this book. That's uh,
Speaker 4: this novel. That's why I wrote it, was to make
Speaker 4: it to blur the lines of reality and fiction. What
Speaker 4: what is real? Google it? Google? Go go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you say that, you say it says challenging.
Speaker 4: Right, you'll figure out what's what's real. And one I
Speaker 4: defy anybody to find things in there that aren't true.
Speaker 4: I mean they're good.
Speaker 2: Look, let me read this real quick.
Speaker 3: It says here on the back of your book that
Speaker 3: I got, I'm going to read this little blurb about
Speaker 3: you says Jim Shockey is a Canadian writer. Just serve
Speaker 3: my audience understands what you're a little bit your batackground
Speaker 3: his Canadian writer, worldwide adventurer, wilderness outfitter, television producer and host.
Speaker 3: I mean, you got a whole Swiss army knife of weaponry.
Speaker 3: You know where's the toothpick? It's right here here you go.
Speaker 3: You probably got one in that hat band or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've lived one hundred miles an hour since I
Speaker 4: was I left home at seventeen and I've been on
Speaker 4: the road ever since.
Speaker 2: We're having at seventeen.
Speaker 4: Where'd you go?
Speaker 2: At seventeen?
Speaker 4: I went to university. I grew up in Saskatchewan and
Speaker 4: I had a little falling out with my mother. So
Speaker 4: I went to my dad and I said, look, either
Speaker 4: mom goes or I'm leaving you. And that was kind
Speaker 4: of he made the decision for me in a lot
Speaker 4: of ways. So I left the three hundred dollars in
Speaker 4: my pocket. I was a good athlete, so I actually
Speaker 4: called up the university, the coach of the swim team,
Speaker 4: and said, hey, I'm thinking about coming out there. The
Speaker 4: new entrance exams. No, I mean literally school was starting
Speaker 4: in about three days, and he said, I'll get you
Speaker 4: on the team with a scholarship. So I went out
Speaker 4: there with my three hundred dollars and applied for every
Speaker 4: bursary and scholarship I could. I was an IBM scholarship
Speaker 4: winner for the first two years.
Speaker 3: IBM, Yeah, IBM, I made fruit. I made this fruit,
Speaker 3: this fruit company.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was that port. I had no
Speaker 4: idea computer language drag got the IBM scholarship as well
Speaker 4: as my my sports scholarship to help pay my way.
Speaker 4: I just figured out a way to live. You know,
Speaker 4: all those different things. When you're saying, am I going,
Speaker 4: It's probably because I was unemployable. That's why I had
Speaker 4: to do so many different things in my life and
Speaker 4: figured out. But I also, you know, harkening back to
Speaker 4: my childhood, I had to listen to my mom and
Speaker 4: dad talk every dinner about whether Dad would get laid off,
Speaker 4: but we'd have the money when we finally did buy
Speaker 4: a house, whether we could afford the mortgage, or you
Speaker 4: would lose the house. I mean, this is as a
Speaker 4: tenueal I'm listening to this stuff, and I said, never
Speaker 4: ever will I live like that. You get one like
Speaker 4: and live my life on my urta. It's not with
Speaker 4: someone else standing over me dictating, you know, my happiness
Speaker 4: my joy. You know, it's one life. Everybody gets one life.
Speaker 4: And that's also what call me hunters. Is you get
Speaker 4: one life, So live it, live it because there's no reasons,
Speaker 4: as far as.
Speaker 3: We know, no Live it to the fullest. Get yourself on,
Speaker 3: get yourself on the cover. What is that outdoor life.
Speaker 2: Over your shoulder?
Speaker 4: Right there?
Speaker 2: Is that what I see?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right over there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, get yourself an author deal and call me hunter.
Speaker 3: And you know, I like to watch Arnold Schwarzenegger's documentary
Speaker 3: lately that he put out and he says, you know,
Speaker 3: I wanted to be on the cover of Hercules, and
Speaker 3: so I just focused on how to be him, the
Speaker 3: guy that was Hercules on the cover of Hercules the
Speaker 3: movie when he was sixteen years old in Austria.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what does he do? How do I
Speaker 2: get on the cover?
Speaker 3: And then he just focused and focused and focused and
Speaker 3: focused and just lifted and lifted it. Never was happy
Speaker 3: with himself, even though we were happy with him.
Speaker 4: You know, that was an interesting documentary. I love the
Speaker 4: guy I loved I do. He just was a guy
Speaker 4: who lived his life. He truly lived his life, and
Speaker 4: he set goals for himself and he's still setting goals.
Speaker 4: And Governor of California, who in a million years would
Speaker 4: have thought that, he thought it because he set it
Speaker 4: as a goal. And you know, I'm sitting here right
Speaker 4: now in our Hand of Man Museum on Vancouver Island.
Speaker 4: It's a seventeen thousand square foot facility that I envisioned
Speaker 4: when I was ten years old. I was going to
Speaker 4: write a novel and I was going to do this museum,
Speaker 4: this of Man museum, and that's a goal that has
Speaker 4: come to fruition. But it took me another fifty five years,
Speaker 4: so more than half a century of focusing on that
Speaker 4: goal to make it, to realize it. And Arnold's fortunately
Speaker 4: I'm not comparing him with me other than I think
Speaker 4: at one point I got my paths to be half
Speaker 4: as big as That's It's the funny two story was
Speaker 4: I was caught in a cabin you got lizarded out
Speaker 4: in North British Columbia. And in that cabin it was
Speaker 4: like an old trappers cabin. There was one magazine and
Speaker 4: we were trapped there for almost two weeks and it
Speaker 4: was a muscle magazine. I don't know why the trapper
Speaker 4: had a muscle magazine. But they also they had all
Speaker 4: the measurements in that magazine of all these you know bodybuilders,
Speaker 4: and the only one that I beat on any measurement.
Speaker 4: I'm a little guy who like six ' three and
Speaker 4: way two twenty. The only measurement that I beat any
Speaker 4: of those muscle people on was my calves. I beat
Speaker 4: the one woman bodybuilder and that was it. Those guys
Speaker 4: are freaks. So it's uh, you know, like I said,
Speaker 4: I'm not I will never compare myself Donal, but I
Speaker 4: do really respect the way he said his life, that
Speaker 4: goals for himself and attain those goals if you don't
Speaker 4: put another way through. People come in our museum and
Speaker 4: they see, you know, there's some of my history on
Speaker 4: the walls. It's not about me at all, but there's pictures,
Speaker 4: and you know, they think, wow, you've lived this amazing
Speaker 4: life and you've done this. And I say, well, you know,
Speaker 4: if you drive in one direction for half a century
Speaker 4: and don't take any side roads, you end up somewhere.
Speaker 4: And this is where I ended up because I did
Speaker 4: the same thing. You know, different goals in armor, obviously
Speaker 4: you can tell them.
Speaker 3: But up here, though, you could have it up here
Speaker 3: you can tell me have mental toughness.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, and there's things that are you know, I
Speaker 4: have choices in my life all the way along those
Speaker 4: side side roadside.
Speaker 2: Oh, so many side roads.
Speaker 4: You want to have a hundred million dollars, million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's just you have to take this room. Well it's there.
Speaker 4: That's not my goal, you know. I mean we did well.
Speaker 4: It was never my goal to waste my life.
Speaker 3: Have living your life is your goal. Live experience, Yeah, same, same.
Speaker 3: That's why I get to do this, this this gig.
Speaker 3: I get to have a great conversation with you and
Speaker 3: from another country and show my lif that it's okay
Speaker 3: to have just a great conversation and tolerance with one
Speaker 3: another on any of the subjects that may be. Just tolerance.
Speaker 3: Like you said, we need to pass that out there
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 4: You know. I love that this this world today, we're
Speaker 4: so so divisive out there, and when you actually look
Speaker 4: at it to say, well, I'm tolerant and you're just
Speaker 4: you know, you're not agreed with my point of view,
Speaker 4: but I'm the tolerant. Wait a minute. If you think
Speaker 4: they're not agreeing with your point of view, it means
Speaker 4: you're intolerance, and that's everybody looking at it each way.
Speaker 4: You know, we just have to say okay, I get it,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And then everybody just gets a label put on them
Speaker 3: if they just think one thing against the other person.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you're this whole thing, You're this whole side.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I just have a difference of opinion
Speaker 3: on something, but we can, you know, rationally have a conversation.
Speaker 3: They used to say, don't talk about two things at
Speaker 3: the dinner table here, and that's politics and religion. And
Speaker 3: it's like, wamn, let's just do the opposite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, my sisters is the same family, total opposites.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, she she was a librarian, says
Speaker 4: I have a big footprint, blah blah blah. And you know,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of years, it was probably twenty
Speaker 4: years where we just didn't talk. I mean I didn't
Speaker 4: think it was me, and she probably didn't think it
Speaker 4: was her. It wasn't until I wrote this book, called
Speaker 4: me Hunter, because she's librarian she respects of course, that
Speaker 4: suddenly it was, you know, suddenly I did something that
Speaker 4: she could understand and and wrap her head around and
Speaker 4: have respect for. And that was the catalyst that allowed
Speaker 4: her and I to start talking again and civilized, you know.
Speaker 4: And she has her point of view on politics.
Speaker 2: Well your siblings too, and so there's that, you know,
Speaker 2: of course, and.
Speaker 4: We're diametrically opposed in that. You know, my dad was
Speaker 4: of the same you know, political leanings as she was
Speaker 4: and she is, and you know, him and I would
Speaker 4: talk and it would always end up with this same
Speaker 4: same conversation. And that's his part in comment, well, you're
Speaker 4: just stupid and that you know, of course, because yeah,
Speaker 4: but I mean, I was just trying to point out
Speaker 4: a way and here's a tiny little flaw when you're
Speaker 4: thinking here, like, you know, we need business because without business,
Speaker 4: you know, you can't just give your give because who
Speaker 4: gives if there's nobody employeede, if there's nobody, nobody making
Speaker 4: money on the business side.
Speaker 3: I mean, but if there's people making money on the
Speaker 3: business side, they should give.
Speaker 2: Give, give a little bit. I'm just saying, okay, gives
Speaker 2: that a little you know what.
Speaker 4: But really, you know what's funny about that is Carl
Speaker 4: Marx said, he said, from those according to their ability
Speaker 4: to those according to their need. So you bring that
Speaker 4: same conversation. And you know, Karl Marx, are you kidding
Speaker 4: your quoting Carl Marx in a conservative business meeting. But
Speaker 4: the reality is he's right about that. If you can,
Speaker 4: you should. And you know, our museum here's seventeen thousand
Speaker 4: square feet and it's filled with I couldn't even value
Speaker 4: with tens of millions of dollars with the stuff, and
Speaker 4: we're my wife and I are giving it all the
Speaker 4: way to a foundation. And down look, the cover expenses
Speaker 4: for the next forty years right now, donation only because
Speaker 4: I grew up in a trailer park and I could
Speaker 4: not have come in for a one dollar cover charge,
Speaker 4: but for donation, I could have brought it in a grasshopper.
Speaker 4: And you know, so this will never have a cover charge,
Speaker 4: so that somebody out there that doesn't have money, that
Speaker 4: can't afford to come in and still enjoy it. A
Speaker 4: little boy came in the other day with a moose
Speaker 4: tooth that involved and that was his donation, and he was,
Speaker 4: you know, this little boy who knows what he'll do
Speaker 4: in the next fifty years. This museum may have inspired him.
Speaker 4: So this we're making sure that this museum will be
Speaker 4: around for the next forty years and you know, all
Speaker 4: expenses covered, so it will always be donation. And it's
Speaker 4: it's because we can't you know what am I going
Speaker 4: to do? Have a giant grass sale or yeah?
Speaker 2: No, just keep it all together. Yeah, just keep it going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, keep it going and give it away. And that's
Speaker 4: you know, I think, are you know the business side
Speaker 4: of things. I my sister's things. I see and I
Speaker 4: agree with some of the points, you know, but I
Speaker 4: think the business also has to open up their mind
Speaker 4: and say, okay, yeah, we you know, we have billions.
Speaker 4: What are you going to do with billions of dollars?
Speaker 4: Make a legacy that you know, ourself play forever. It
Speaker 4: means give it away, you know, give it away. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I'm hoping some of these very wealthy people
Speaker 4: will recognize that. And you know, taxes aren't necessarily the
Speaker 4: way to do it. They should just do it. And
Speaker 4: you know there's probably a billionaire O they're sitting ABU
Speaker 4: my EXAC DAYNOL for.
Speaker 3: Me too, right, the taxes. I felt like we're a
Speaker 3: ton this year for my business. I don't want them
Speaker 3: to go to a Patriot missile that gets its wires
Speaker 3: ripped out Okay, that's not where I want my tax
Speaker 3: dollars to go. I want my tax dollars to go
Speaker 3: hopefully to those that are on the programs that are
Speaker 3: using the tax dollars. Right, that's if that's the case.
Speaker 3: Like my fellow neighbor not to ripped out wires in
Speaker 3: a Patriot missile, bro I don't want that. That's a
Speaker 3: waste of tax dollars.
Speaker 4: All of us. I don't think there's any of us
Speaker 4: has a problem with paying taxes up here in Canada
Speaker 4: where I'm you know, where I'm reaching out to you from.
Speaker 4: You know, I just see it's so sad what they
Speaker 4: use the money for. And it's to create jobs. Well,
Speaker 4: they create jobs that aren't really productive jobs. They're just
Speaker 4: you know, paying each other to do, you know, shuffle paper.
Speaker 4: I shuffled over here. What your job is to divide
Speaker 4: it up into stacks, and your job is now to
Speaker 4: number the stacks. And your job is to now put
Speaker 4: the stacks back in another file. And what was produced
Speaker 4: And this is this is a bit of a problem.
Speaker 4: This is where I'm leaning towards the business side. Well,
Speaker 4: they productive, let's produce something whatever that happens to be,
Speaker 4: whether it's just picking up garbage along the side of
Speaker 4: the road or fixing a scream so the salmon can
Speaker 4: come up. I don't care. But moving papers around just
Speaker 4: for the sake of creating employment is not. And that's
Speaker 4: what bother.
Speaker 3: And it could be condensed to like maybe one person.
Speaker 3: You know, you have all these different offshoots. They could
Speaker 3: be doing other things that are more productive.
Speaker 4: You could probably condense it to a quarter of a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do that and three other a thumbtape, one person, yeah, trusting.
Speaker 4: Don't get me started on that. Because we're in the
Speaker 4: production business up here in Canada and it's it's just astounding.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's socialized, so we can't produce like I
Speaker 4: can for the States, you know, where it's based on
Speaker 4: what I can produce as good as I can. And
Speaker 4: if I can save money on something and do it
Speaker 4: and do it better production and do it this way, great,
Speaker 4: do it. If I can do it with four people, great.
Speaker 4: So here we have to hire this person, this person, this,
Speaker 4: and it's mandated by the government who we have to
Speaker 4: do it, so you don't make money, Well, what's the
Speaker 4: motivation that they're creating them? Good?
Speaker 2: So like here in Utah.
Speaker 3: We have like if you bring the crew here SAG
Speaker 3: or whoever it is, you know, SAG Union style, et cetera,
Speaker 3: you have to hire seventy five percent Utah Utah's for
Speaker 3: the crew or in cast, right, and then you can
Speaker 3: bring in the outside ours. Is that kind of what
Speaker 3: you're touching on is having these types of rules over
Speaker 3: your production company that are yeah like.
Speaker 4: That, I mean, I you know, and this is this
Speaker 4: is the other side of the flip side of it.
Speaker 4: I get it. You know. I don't want someone from
Speaker 4: California coming in with ten semi trailers, all California Los
Speaker 4: Angeles people and walking out of my wilderness to take
Speaker 4: videos on the beautiful mountains. You know, why would you
Speaker 4: have people that are local? So I get that side
Speaker 4: of it too, you know. So, but there's some kind
Speaker 4: of a common sense balance and there. You know, it
Speaker 4: shouldn't be forced to hire so many people that you
Speaker 4: can't make a living at it, because then you don't
Speaker 4: do it. You know, it should be government money that's
Speaker 4: that allowing you to do it that way, which is
Speaker 4: what happens up here. But I do get that. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, if we're we're in the first nations we
Speaker 4: call them up here, you guys call Native Americans. Okay,
Speaker 4: So if we're in there, you know, territories and their land,
Speaker 4: why not hire them too, Exactly, if they're living there,
Speaker 4: let's let's bring the money into the community. I'm all fortant.
Speaker 4: I've seen that work all over the world, which is
Speaker 4: part of the reason I'm a proponent for hunting as
Speaker 4: a conservation tool around. Think what the dollars do you know?
Speaker 4: New schools, teachers, doctors that can come in, they build roads,
Speaker 4: they actually get a vehicle, they can hire someone to
Speaker 4: you know, watch over the wild to manage it. These
Speaker 4: are all these are all good things for the community.
Speaker 4: It comes about because money comes in from the outside.
Speaker 4: So so I'm like I said, there's a common sense
Speaker 4: on all this that we need to somewhere, you know,
Speaker 4: find common ground in Again, it takes tolerance, listening to
Speaker 4: somebody's point of view exactly.
Speaker 3: And here in Utah, the hunt for just regular deer.
Speaker 3: You know, your buck and your do deer. Actually it's
Speaker 3: probably just buck during the fall seasons coming up. You know,
Speaker 3: you have to get tagged for that. You have to
Speaker 3: get a permit. Like so we do you get a
Speaker 3: deer hunting license. Right, you go through all those safety
Speaker 3: requirements to get your hunter's head, hunters safety et cetera.
Speaker 3: You apply for your permit, but it's only in certain areas.
Speaker 3: Back in the day, when my dad used to go
Speaker 3: out and hunt for deer and I'd go with them
Speaker 3: on his side, it was like, let's.
Speaker 2: Just go we're going to go out, we're going to
Speaker 2: drive out.
Speaker 3: We're just going to get out of the car and
Speaker 3: hike into the mountains and see what we find.
Speaker 2: But now it's like more structured.
Speaker 3: You have to go to this piece of the puzzle
Speaker 3: and your permit's only good for this area. What do
Speaker 3: you think about that? Do you think as conservation of
Speaker 3: a hunter? Do you think you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course I do.
Speaker 2: That's just checking.
Speaker 4: The you know. Again, it goes back to that there's
Speaker 4: eight billion of us in this world, and about forty
Speaker 4: years ago there was less people. True, you know, there
Speaker 4: is more availability for the wildlife resource, but if you're
Speaker 4: going to have wildlife surviving into the future, you've got
Speaker 4: to manage it. Anyone that thinks that there's any larger
Speaker 4: species of animal in this world that isn't managed right
Speaker 4: now by science is just out to lunch. Every single name,
Speaker 4: whales right right down to rabbits. It's all managed. So
Speaker 4: when you have so many people and the supply is
Speaker 4: so limited nowadays, then you have to manage it. And
Speaker 4: that's that's why they have these various rules and regulations.
Speaker 4: I mean, on top of the fact that I think
Speaker 4: it was a good thing. You know it was. It
Speaker 4: was pretty wild West back when I grew up, when
Speaker 4: you know, when I went out with my dad sixty
Speaker 4: years ago and it was really wild West. It was
Speaker 4: a bang bang bang, And you know, I mean I
Speaker 4: knew a few people that have been shot, you know, accidentally,
Speaker 4: you know, accidental discharges. You know, that kind of thing
Speaker 4: needed to be regulated and people need to be educated
Speaker 4: that go here in the fire arm. You know, you
Speaker 4: better know how to use that thing, and you better
Speaker 4: be able to identify the animals. Dad's day, you know,
Speaker 4: they just shot whatever they saw. They didn't worry about
Speaker 4: that rules and regulations.
Speaker 2: You know that that was it was food.
Speaker 4: It was food. It was a hamburger running across the field.
Speaker 4: You know, that can't be that's not sustainable into the future.
Speaker 4: It's got to be. You know, there's got to be
Speaker 4: a spiritual relationship with the animal for the people that
Speaker 4: actually hunt them. In my opinion, I think the food
Speaker 4: is a big part of it, or eight part, but
Speaker 4: certainly there has to be you know, different higher level
Speaker 4: respectful an animal than maybe what my dad had.
Speaker 3: For you know, I like to say, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, we're all living on this earth, we
Speaker 3: would be a triatarian.
Speaker 2: A triatarian means I would try.
Speaker 3: To do anything and eat anything to live, right, if
Speaker 3: there's nothing around, you're gonna do what you have to do.
Speaker 3: Because a hungry person is a hungry person, and they're like,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you go from oh I just
Speaker 3: eat lettuce to like, hmm, that squirrel.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm hungry. My tummy and my head tell
Speaker 3: me to get that squirrel. Both my brains are telling
Speaker 3: me to eat that thing.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It's just you know, I feel that if I was
Speaker 3: to hunt it in Alaska, per se, Right, let's just
Speaker 3: go with that thought process. I would shoot the elk,
Speaker 3: do all of it's you know, butchering to the elk,
Speaker 3: and then leave the rest of it there to let
Speaker 3: it go on to its journey. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: how I would want to be as that hunter. You know,
Speaker 3: have some kind of that connection. That's why I was saying,
Speaker 3: do you feel like you have a connection when you
Speaker 3: take the animal?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: You percent do it, and you're also when you're part
Speaker 4: of nature. That that's the balance. I mean, the wolves
Speaker 4: have to eat, the grizzly bears, you know, they're scavengers,
Speaker 4: any teat the bowls any but you know, any any
Speaker 4: of the wolverines, the smaller creatures, they all need to
Speaker 4: eat as well, so they you know, no part of
Speaker 4: an animal is wasted, even if you know it doesn't
Speaker 4: have to go through a human gut, it's still it's
Speaker 4: going to be used in the in the wildlands. And
Speaker 4: then when you're partaking of that, when you're embracing that
Speaker 4: part of nature, then it just becomes honestly natural. You know,
Speaker 4: bits and pieces you leave. Now, you know, back to
Speaker 4: your point in the Triataran, which I love, I may
Speaker 4: borrow that down. Yeah, if you were truly starving, I
Speaker 4: mean those other creatures become food too, and I mean
Speaker 4: that gut pile becomes bait to bring those other creatures in.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're and whatever is the bait, there's probably
Speaker 4: the smell that's left because you're going to eat everything that,
Speaker 4: you know, the testine is aligning the tripe or whatever
Speaker 4: you're going to eat at the call fat, I eat
Speaker 4: that anyway. The liver, chidney's all out of you already
Speaker 4: nos tongue. I mean, that's those are delicacies.
Speaker 3: Let alone being super hungry and just looking at it
Speaker 3: and saying I'm gonna eat it.
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, I already eat that.
Speaker 3: But when you're hungry and the only thing you have
Speaker 3: left is just yeah.
Speaker 4: A gain to your point, if you travel much and
Speaker 4: you're in places like West Africa, China, there's no you
Speaker 4: around the people. There's no there's no animals, there's no birds.
Speaker 4: Why well, because they've been eating because people are hungry,
Speaker 4: and that that is that's our biggest issue we're going
Speaker 4: to have to face at some point on the road.
Speaker 2: You just opened my mind just now.
Speaker 3: Literally, I didn't even think that the reason why it
Speaker 3: would be scarce is because they're just eating it all right.
Speaker 3: It's like there's a there's a lake out here that
Speaker 3: was man made in one of the communities and they
Speaker 3: opened it to fishing, and everybody comes around, has fished
Speaker 3: it all out to take it home.
Speaker 2: And eat all the fish, you know, like it's like
Speaker 2: what do you expect?
Speaker 3: And then the people that live there, like, where's all
Speaker 3: the fish?
Speaker 4: And you know what, that's just the fish that we
Speaker 4: consider to be edible game fish. You know, there's the
Speaker 4: trash fish. They're probably still there, but I'll guarantee you
Speaker 4: that there'll be people that are catching those right now
Speaker 4: and eating those as well. Correct. I eat gar I
Speaker 4: think they're excellent. And if you go to these four
Speaker 4: foreign countries where people are truly hungry, their nets are
Speaker 4: designed to catch fish down to one inch, a little
Speaker 4: tiny little like crustacean shrimp that are they're so tiny
Speaker 4: we wouldn't even consider. But they get a little handful
Speaker 4: of them that goes in their suit. That's protein when
Speaker 4: you're hungry. That's the absolute truth. You'll eat anything, and
Speaker 4: all the rest is ideology to go by the wayside
Speaker 4: when the time comes, you know, and I there's going
Speaker 4: to be a spiritual relationship with the animal. That's a luxury,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's a luxury until you know you
Speaker 4: really truly believe that this animal is is you need
Speaker 4: it to survive, then you're going to have a relationship
Speaker 4: with it where you're going to put it on a
Speaker 4: pedestal and deify it. So it's yeah, it's uh, it'll
Speaker 4: be an interesting world in the future when depending on
Speaker 4: what happens, you know, they may come a day and
Speaker 4: my wife doesn't hunt, she will fly out the door.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're total office. This lady trapped beauty beasts.
Speaker 4: She had never heard of a flee but she says,
Speaker 4: why would she hunt? You know, I bring the food home,
Speaker 4: so there's no need for her. She said, if her
Speaker 4: family was hungry, she would kill. She would go to eat.
Speaker 4: And anybody with like I say, the ideologies they say,
Speaker 4: I would, I'll start to that, you know, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying there isn't people that you know that
Speaker 4: won't like themselves on fire to show their faith in
Speaker 4: something or to protest. There are, but they are the
Speaker 4: extreme outer you know, tiny, tiny, tiny minority the rest,
Speaker 4: but are going to do exactly what you say. That's
Speaker 4: that thing's moving, that thing's protein. I'm hungry, I tell me,
Speaker 4: he says, I'm hungry. My brain says, if I don't
Speaker 4: need it. We're going to kill it and need it.
Speaker 4: And I mean you don't have to go very far
Speaker 4: back in history, and probably happening right now today somewhere
Speaker 4: where someone's in a place where they're starving and their
Speaker 4: buddy right next to them, they're starting to look pretty tasty.
Speaker 3: Well, we have that big thing back in the day
Speaker 3: called the daughter party here that Americans always talk about
Speaker 3: in school, the Daughter Party. They couldn't get over the past,
Speaker 3: and they wound up eating each other.
Speaker 4: This is Franklin. You know that this is the expedition
Speaker 4: up on the Arctic, that this is over and over Greenley.
Speaker 4: They just name them, name them.
Speaker 3: They even probably had some guys that ate themselves.
Speaker 4: Okay, Shot, Shot is the one guy that I mean,
Speaker 4: he's the best of the best. Me. He brought his
Speaker 4: men through that, I mean, just anybody so I and
Speaker 4: you know they didn't be great down into the Lord
Speaker 4: of the flies where you know we're gonna kill Piggy
Speaker 4: or whatever the name is it. Yeah, that's it. He was.
Speaker 4: He ruled and I mean that's shockledon me. Was one
Speaker 4: of the greatest leaders that this world has ever seen.
Speaker 2: Explore hunter Gatherer, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 4: And you know, yes, he was part of the British Empire,
Speaker 4: so there. You know, they were calmnists and they did
Speaker 4: a lot of things that nowadays we look back, but
Speaker 4: we weren't living in those days.
Speaker 3: You know what I tell folks when I come into
Speaker 3: that conversation. I have a friend, a Native American down here,
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, I'm sorry for what happened.
Speaker 3: I didn't do any of that. I don't know how
Speaker 3: to atone for that, but I'll be a good steward
Speaker 3: of what I have today for the future. And he's like,
Speaker 3: that's cool, bro, that's what's up, you know, because I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know how to tell you or
Speaker 3: make amends or tell you I'm sorry for that.
Speaker 2: That's not me. I'm today.
Speaker 3: So if I have land here, I'm gonna take care
Speaker 3: of it in that namesake because I can't help it.
Speaker 4: No, And you what you end up with is a
Speaker 4: virtue signaling by by people that are trying to look
Speaker 4: like they're but they're not going to give up their
Speaker 4: land either, you know they you know they'll and I'm
Speaker 4: talking about white people that are there.
Speaker 2: You know that's me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't I'm in that category, right, all right,
Speaker 3: it is what it is.
Speaker 4: It is what it is, and it's happened all over
Speaker 4: the world, all through history, all the continents except Antarctica
Speaker 4: that we know. You know, it's just it's what happens.
Speaker 4: And and I'm sure that all through Ganghis Khan probably
Speaker 4: sat there and you know, felt terrible of what he did.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe he did a trillionaire. Genghis Khan
Speaker 3: his empire had a trillion dollars. He had so much
Speaker 3: money back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he makes ales under the great look like a
Speaker 4: kindergarten student.
Speaker 3: I mean trillion. You know, it's like I can't. I
Speaker 3: don't know that money is just that's just an I will.
Speaker 3: I learned the.
Speaker 4: Word back in the day. You know, that's eight hundred
Speaker 4: years ago. So I I mean, it's, uh, the world's
Speaker 4: going to be an interesting place going forward. As I said,
Speaker 4: we better start thinking about it in common sense terms,
Speaker 4: not in ideological terms, because we're going to be facebook
Speaker 4: it at some point, and I think i'd rather be prepared.
Speaker 4: And I'm not a preppy guy, but but but to
Speaker 4: think that it's going to continue, it's just it's just
Speaker 4: not I mean, it's just not it's we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna have ordage in the sand, like the head and
Speaker 3: the sand and the asses out to be shot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like here's your target, but I don't see it coming. Oh,
Speaker 3: submarine down, one bubble, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I have to keep this on. My wife's not well.
Speaker 4: This last year and ten months has been pretty rough
Speaker 4: for her obviously and for our family. So I have
Speaker 4: my phone on for that was the hospital, and I
Speaker 4: just have to be I have no matter what I'm doing,
Speaker 4: the world ends at that moment. It's you know about Louisa.
Speaker 4: I have to deal with that so well.
Speaker 3: I love to you and your family right now for
Speaker 3: whatever on your mind. Just so you know that thanks
Speaker 3: for being the facing your company and pushing forward for
Speaker 3: your museum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we're all we're all going to face.
Speaker 4: Mortality is something that's been able to avoid yet there's
Speaker 4: been what eight or nine billion of us have gone
Speaker 4: through it already, and there's eight billion of us on
Speaker 4: this sort of right now that are going to go
Speaker 4: through it. And again the ostrich's in the sand. You
Speaker 4: stick your head in the sand and think that's not
Speaker 4: going to happen. You know it is going to happen.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's every single one of us is going
Speaker 4: to have to deal with us at some level. You know.
Speaker 4: Jordan Peterson, I think, said that, you know every person
Speaker 4: that you know is going through or is going through
Speaker 4: great sorrow, and you know that's stuff. To deal with it,
Speaker 4: you just do your best and you you start to
Speaker 4: realize and every day is precious and don't squander a
Speaker 4: single day. It's it's you know, there's no reasons, so
Speaker 4: don't don't waste it. And that's what we've tried to
Speaker 4: do through this whole time. And they gave her three
Speaker 4: months to live a year and ten months ago. So
Speaker 4: I was with her minutes before I raced the podcast
Speaker 4: of Headwick back Home and and you know what, it's
Speaker 4: it's a beautiful day. It's a beautiful day. We sat
Speaker 4: and had coffee and looked out over and land and
Speaker 4: you know, watch the hawk take a round it in
Speaker 4: front of us. And I mean, it's just don't let
Speaker 4: tomorrow steal today, and we're not letting that happen. So
Speaker 4: but what it does, it's caused me to get phone
Speaker 4: calls in the middle of Hope podcast Possible, So again.
Speaker 2: I have no, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: I think that's actually wholesome and I'm glad that you
Speaker 3: opened up a little bit about that and you said
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the show, You're like, hey, rad
Speaker 3: I'm here to talk to you and get to know
Speaker 3: you too, and thanks for just being real about it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: We like there's a band called Alison Chains. You may
Speaker 3: have heard of it, and they have a quote in
Speaker 3: their song that says we're born into the grave, and
Speaker 3: so you know, there's a thing about that, so we
Speaker 3: all know it. It's just you got to own it
Speaker 3: and you got to move forward with it. You can't
Speaker 3: dwell on it. You just got to live today because
Speaker 3: today is what you have in front of you right now.
Speaker 4: Comes back to having a goal. You're going to do that,
Speaker 4: you know, then set a goal for yourself. Don't waste
Speaker 4: the time that we have unless that's your goal. I mean,
Speaker 4: Ferdinand the bullets out there and sniff flowers all day long.
Speaker 4: And if someone wants to go sniff flowers for the
Speaker 4: whole life.
Speaker 3: That flowers, just foresee it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I love sniffing flowers that bring for
Speaker 4: my wife every single day and always have, no matter
Speaker 4: where I've been around the world. We've been married thirty
Speaker 4: nine years. Soulmates. I was hit over heels and love
Speaker 4: to day. On our first date, I knew he was
Speaker 4: going to marry her. And I'm even warm love now,
Speaker 4: and I all around the world. I picked flowers for
Speaker 4: no matter where, I don't know. I get my cameraman
Speaker 4: or do a selfie holding the flowers and making a
Speaker 4: little heart sign, and you know, I can't get them
Speaker 4: back to her because I knew I was doing this
Speaker 4: forty years ago, thirty years ago, twenty years You couldn't
Speaker 4: just send the text message with the flower. But when
Speaker 4: I got home, I could give her all these flower pictures,
Speaker 4: and you know, so, yeah, I think there's something to
Speaker 4: be said for that too. It's just I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: spend my life in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right.
Speaker 3: Now, being out in the field seeing some flowers, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you see the beast you're
Speaker 3: tracking right, You're like, oh, hey, these flowers remind me
Speaker 3: of my wife. Wait, what's that? Oh there it is,
Speaker 3: I'm hunting that. And then you're out of the flowers
Speaker 3: and you're right in to focus on it, right, And
Speaker 3: so you got your archery. You got your compound bow.
Speaker 3: Are you using a are you using a release? Are
Speaker 3: you using a trigger release system? Is that how you roll?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I'm old enough that when I started
Speaker 4: it was it was fingertab fingers. Yeah. I was originally
Speaker 4: long bows. I mean, reakers were just started. I mean
Speaker 4: they've been aroun a long time. But my first bow
Speaker 4: was a long bow. And but I you know, nowadays,
Speaker 4: just for the accuracy, you know, I don't use a
Speaker 4: thumb release. I use a finger trigger release. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I I embraced the modern But I'm no techie guy.
Speaker 4: There's guys that you know. I couldn't even set up
Speaker 4: my own bowl properly. I have someone that's an expert
Speaker 4: do that for me. I can site it in and
Speaker 4: I can shoot it, you know, but I can't. I'm
Speaker 4: not a techie guy.
Speaker 3: On a pounding what pound are you pulling on your
Speaker 3: on your bow for like say an elk?
Speaker 4: You know nowadays I shoot sixty sixty yeah, but in
Speaker 4: the older days it would be seventy eight. But teventy
Speaker 4: two was about where I sat most of the time.
Speaker 4: But you know, nowadays they've got the science down with
Speaker 4: the cams, so it's an art. So they they know
Speaker 4: sixty pound bow now is the same as a ninety
Speaker 4: pound bowl back in the day in terms of energy.
Speaker 4: So you know, just the arrows. Everything is better technology there.
Speaker 3: Just more dynamic, it's less. Less muscle happened to pull
Speaker 3: that back? I remember my dad got a compound bow.
Speaker 3: He was so excited. My dad was a former Green Beret,
Speaker 3: and so he always wanted to go out and do
Speaker 3: a little hunting. And he'd go do this pond in Kaysville,
Speaker 3: Utah here and four or five in the morning, he'd
Speaker 3: be out there and he'd just be throwing darts at
Speaker 3: carps and they'd have the prongs that popped out and
Speaker 3: it would reel on his compound bow. But it was
Speaker 3: a seventy five pound bow. He's like, all right, little Aaron,
Speaker 3: my son, go ahead and pull that back. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I just trying so hard. And then he would just
Speaker 3: do it and the ease back right back, and I
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, Dad, you're the man. Seventy five
Speaker 3: pounds is what he was pulling on that.
Speaker 4: There's technique involved to a mini user. Here's your big muscles.
Speaker 4: So most people trying and pull up their arm.
Speaker 3: You can't you go, You got to really pull it back.
Speaker 4: They open your chest up. But you know nowadays for
Speaker 4: archery for fish, I mean I was shooting a hundred
Speaker 4: pound guard elegator guard now on the Mississippi River a
Speaker 4: couple of years, five years ago, count five years ago
Speaker 4: that you use twenty eight pounds because you don't want
Speaker 4: to blow the harpoon point right through the fish. You
Speaker 4: wanted to get into the skin and then be able
Speaker 4: to reel it back in. So yeah, twenty eight pounds,
Speaker 4: And that's something for anybody that's interesting. Archery is is
Speaker 4: one of the fastest growing parts or components of our
Speaker 4: hunting gathering world is archery for fish. I don't know
Speaker 4: what they call it. Fish bowl deep covering is the
Speaker 4: greatest archer that I've met in the world. And Steve
Speaker 4: has designed a new fishing archery bowl. That's his big thing.
Speaker 4: I was going all over trying to get these crazy
Speaker 4: species of fish, you know, which most of them are
Speaker 4: considered trash fish by you know, the game for they
Speaker 4: wouldn't but yeah, it's it's a Your dad was way
Speaker 4: way ahead of his time doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was eight Yeah, eighty eight. I think he
Speaker 3: got that compound bow from a pawn shop. He just
Speaker 3: saw it and said, I'll take that. He knew Rambo
Speaker 3: was huge in the theaters. Come on, he's a Green Beret.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be getting a compound bow.
Speaker 4: I just watched I just watched First Blood the other day.
Speaker 4: After all these years, it's still a great movie.
Speaker 2: Great movie.
Speaker 4: So left salone. So he was great. Yeah, he's he
Speaker 4: was great then and he's still great. He's he's a
Speaker 4: cool guy.
Speaker 3: They drew First Blood, not me. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, growing up on that, I remember seeing it in
Speaker 3: a beta it was like a red Oh that was
Speaker 3: red Don. Red Don was a red VHS tape. Now
Speaker 3: I'm getting all stuck in the eighties here on my movies.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Rambo dude. First Blood, First Blood, Part two,
Speaker 3: First Blood, Part three, First Blood, Part four, Last Blood.
Speaker 4: I think in the Arnold documentary they had they had
Speaker 4: Sylvester on there talking about how you know he had
Speaker 4: to kill more people and you know that will kill
Speaker 4: more than the idiot. Yeah, those are the eighties were.
Speaker 3: What I need to kill one hundred and fifty people
Speaker 3: in this movie because he killed one hundreds and forty
Speaker 3: nine is the last one, and so I need to
Speaker 3: kill a least one hundreds and fifty he says, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a terminator.
Speaker 4: I don't think that they'd be competing, but I guess,
Speaker 4: you know, it's competition at the level a game setting goals.
Speaker 4: I want to be the best in the world. Well,
Speaker 4: if that means.
Speaker 3: Doing movies and killing people, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kill lots of people. But in the in the eighties,
Speaker 4: it didn't really seem like that to me. The violence
Speaker 4: I see nowadays on TV there's one hundred times worse
Speaker 4: than that. Stuff that was kind of cartooning almost. I
Speaker 4: mean they look cartoon.
Speaker 3: Because we've become jaded to this kind of barbarianism of
Speaker 3: you know, the UFC. You know, used to be a
Speaker 3: video that you had a rent in a video store
Speaker 3: that was behind the curtain. You'd be twenty one to
Speaker 3: get this movie that had all these different types of
Speaker 3: acts going on it.
Speaker 2: And that was where UFC was.
Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming everything on that, but we get
Speaker 3: so jaded seeing these violent acts. Now we see where
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty guys get killed in an old
Speaker 3: Rambo movie, Today's violent acts are far worse than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. See you know in the video games,
Speaker 4: I mean that's one hundred and fifty, it's like you
Speaker 4: better do that in the first twenty seconds or.
Speaker 2: You're level it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, we're in your to that. We've
Speaker 4: compartmentalized it and think about it that. Well, that's a
Speaker 4: light and I don't know, maybe it's.
Speaker 3: Well if you look at these, you know, combat sports
Speaker 3: that are out there, kids never really look to play
Speaker 3: combat sports. They played baseball, football, soccer. But the generation
Speaker 3: today that are the nine and twelve year olds are saying,
Speaker 3: I want a career in that UFC. The guys that
Speaker 3: were in UFC didn't come from that. They came from
Speaker 3: like bull riding or like boxing and martial arts, you know, kickboxing, bloodsport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so underground, you know, I mean that
Speaker 4: by year that was just how you survived in school.
Speaker 4: You didn't want to get beat up. Well, you better
Speaker 4: fight back. You know, it's they're gonna it's gonna happen
Speaker 4: at some point. It was, but things have changed. I mean,
Speaker 4: you can't you know that what we did back in
Speaker 4: those days, you'd be kicked out of school forever. You know,
Speaker 4: never allowed back in. So you know, times change. I
Speaker 4: don't know way talk to me in a thousand years
Speaker 4: or ten thousand years old right where we do this podcast. Well,
Speaker 4: remember we said that, boy would be I'm saying that,
Speaker 4: but boy will we pressing when we said that, you.
Speaker 2: Know exactly, Darry Arnold swasive.
Speaker 3: You listen to me today, play me on your VCA tomorrow,
Speaker 3: but listen to me at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and all those things we're talking about
Speaker 4: right and wrong, talk to me in a million years.
Speaker 4: We can't even fathom that. Like, our brains don't compute that.
Speaker 4: We can look back, you know, maybe fifty years and
Speaker 4: so oh, and then we forget about what happened beyond that.
Speaker 4: Even most people someone us look a hundred some of
Speaker 4: historians look back on ten thousands. We talked about Inkers Khan.
Speaker 4: Our brains don't fathom a million years. And that's why
Speaker 4: we're not a cosmic event. We'll figure this out one way.
Speaker 4: It will be figured out for us. You know, we
Speaker 4: can't continue to have eight billion and we're gonna have
Speaker 4: sixteen billion thirty two eight. I mean, that's naive to
Speaker 4: think that's going to happen. So so you know, we'll
Speaker 4: revisit all this, and.
Speaker 3: It's easy to make it seem like it's an infestation
Speaker 3: of the space rock that we're just this bacteria that's
Speaker 3: just going to like like eat it away and turn
Speaker 3: it into Mars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it won't happen because nature is such
Speaker 4: a powerful, powerful force, you know, on this earth. I
Speaker 4: mean nature will it. We're an experiment wins. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean yes. And you know, people of faith, there's
Speaker 4: a reasonaly of faith, because you got to believe there's
Speaker 4: something out there for sure there is. You can't deny it.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, look just look up right all the
Speaker 3: all of our ancestors and all of those folks that
Speaker 3: came from like the Mayans, and all of the different
Speaker 3: you know, from all across the different areas of the
Speaker 3: world right where they find these different symbols that people
Speaker 3: looking up or trying to find something greater from different cultures,
Speaker 3: but they're like the same designs.
Speaker 4: You know. It's like, sure we are, we're products of
Speaker 4: the creative force that, you know, God, whatever it is.
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, my own beliefs or my beliefs.
Speaker 4: I'm not judging other people for their beliefs. But but
Speaker 4: you sit them in nature, in that cathedral, it is
Speaker 4: nature in the wildlands. You can't help but get with
Speaker 4: the flow and understand that this is there's a greater,
Speaker 4: bigger picture here that we're that you know, we think
Speaker 4: we're important. But again, talk in ten thousand years.
Speaker 3: Oh, I stood on the edge of a waterfall at Yellowstone,
Speaker 3: you know, not too close, don't come at me, close
Speaker 3: enough to know that that's the earth churning to know
Speaker 3: that if I fell in there, I'm done.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I stood on the on the lip of
Speaker 4: the crater of the volcano on Red Bull that you know,
Speaker 4: it blew up in the nineties, and it just blew
Speaker 4: up recently again. You know, when I looked down into
Speaker 4: that and this wasn't a bubbly, pretty law and pretty orange.
Speaker 4: This was like a power I can't even describe. It's
Speaker 4: indescribable to look down and this the power of this earth.
Speaker 4: You are insignificant. I mean, there's I just I was
Speaker 4: at that point. You just realized how truly nothing we
Speaker 4: are and what this earth wants. And I mean it
Speaker 4: was shooting up boulders and size the bolkswagons up into
Speaker 4: their moom Hoom and the Balkans were on a on
Speaker 4: another mountain about twenty miles away, and you know, we
Speaker 4: want over then first, and they gave us instruments because
Speaker 4: they wouldn't go up. They said, this thing is going
Speaker 4: to go at some point and we're not going out there.
Speaker 4: But if you wouldn't mind taking these instruments.
Speaker 2: Up, yeah, just get a little dip in there.
Speaker 4: Would you think it was? It was down below us.
Speaker 4: I got to the rim. There's there's video, you know,
Speaker 4: like I'm I screamed that, you know, because I you know,
Speaker 4: I will not feel fear. And that's what this The
Speaker 4: power of that was. To me an upfront, it was
Speaker 4: trying to make me feel fear. Insignificant, fine, but never
Speaker 4: never fear. I don't care how powerful something is or
Speaker 4: how dangerous or how much trouble, and I'm not going
Speaker 4: to feel fear. But I mean, it was every ounce
Speaker 4: of my body just will not. I was screaming it
Speaker 4: back in this noise. I mean, we're lucky it didn't
Speaker 4: it didn't explode. Then it did a few months later
Speaker 4: and we were been vaporized. My wife because I had
Speaker 4: her son there as a videographer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're pulling everyone. It's like, come with me.
Speaker 4: But it was you realize the power of the earth
Speaker 4: when you're truly on that edge. And that's that was
Speaker 4: a literal and figurative edge. This Earth is not it
Speaker 4: will always be here. The energy of this Earth may
Speaker 4: change in form dinosaurs. You know, the biomounts is still here.
Speaker 4: The energy is still here, it's just a different form,
Speaker 4: and we release that amount of this energy. I mean again,
Speaker 4: this is the science. Well, you start getting deep into
Speaker 4: philosophical talk here. And I spent a lot of time
Speaker 4: on the mouth, so I had a lot of time.
Speaker 3: You said, I like that I snowboard. My snowboards are
Speaker 3: just right here behind me, right there, my wife and
Speaker 3: mine right above the pink bunny on the table right there.
Speaker 3: And so we're always in the mountains, always in the snow,
Speaker 3: always writing, always seeing crystals of snow just glittering in
Speaker 3: our faces as we're just in this snow globe. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you've been in a snow globe while you're out
Speaker 3: there in the middle of nowhere and it's just snowing,
Speaker 3: and you're just like, this is a really pristine environment,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just mesmerizing. Not only are you
Speaker 3: out there doing your hunt, but you're just you're just connecting.
Speaker 3: I hate to say it like that, but you are, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: And again, I was just in Toronto here a couple
Speaker 4: of days ago. I had to put down for a
Speaker 4: five minute interview, and as I was heading back to
Speaker 4: the airport, I videoed the high rise after high rise
Speaker 4: after high rise after high rise, and there were artment buildings.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just people living twenty thirty stories on
Speaker 4: top of each other, you know, four or five or
Speaker 4: eight to the level I don't even know. And I
Speaker 4: actually I don't say I felt sorry, but I felt
Speaker 4: melancholy because those people when when will they ever feel that,
Speaker 4: you know that you're talking about on the mountain of snow.
Speaker 4: You know they'll see it going by the window on
Speaker 4: the thirtieth floor, but they to actually again, get in
Speaker 4: touch with your ancestral soul. How do you do that
Speaker 4: in a major city. I guess maybe you go on
Speaker 4: a holiday.
Speaker 3: You know, to try to go on an expedition. You
Speaker 3: pay somebody to take you out and hope that they
Speaker 3: can give you that solace of mental stability that I
Speaker 3: get from being out in the mountains.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course it isn't and it's centering. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: it sure makes sense why things are so divisive nowadays,
Speaker 4: because there's people like you, people like me that live
Speaker 4: our lives out there and get it. You know, at
Speaker 4: least we think we get it. I think I get it,
Speaker 4: And you know, there's people live in the city and
Speaker 4: they look at us like you guys are freaks, Like
Speaker 4: you know, what restaurant did you last night? We get
Speaker 4: to go to this fanciest club that's so hard to
Speaker 4: get into, and we got in. You know, that's their
Speaker 4: reality and that's where they find their solace. I guess.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I've been in that fancy club. You know, I've been
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 3: I've been like, hey, come here, let me show you
Speaker 3: something that you have to have this secret pass on
Speaker 3: your phone to show this guy. Then you have to
Speaker 3: have another secretass on the show this guy. And then
Speaker 3: this is what they want to show you. And it's
Speaker 3: a it's a concrete jungle. Yeah, that's their jungle.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And again I don't know, I've done both. Yeah,
Speaker 4: both restaurants where you're supposed to wait. The chef is
Speaker 4: a hunter, you know, so you get in there. And
Speaker 4: it's great, you know, it's wonderful. But would I stand
Speaker 4: in line from eight in the morning to hopefully get
Speaker 4: in for a bunch maybe at one in the afternoon
Speaker 4: because it's the place to eat at. I mean, however,
Speaker 4: people are sitting on it. I saw thirty six days
Speaker 4: last year, every day from dawn till noon, got off
Speaker 4: stand for two hours, and then went back one stand
Speaker 4: until dark, thirty six days in a row. Because I
Speaker 4: was after one particular white tailed deer, saw lots of
Speaker 4: other deer, saw rabbit, squirrels, saw you know, kayak, saw
Speaker 4: incredible moose. Flok finally said, that's my beautiful reality. And
Speaker 4: you know, thirty six days, what a waste of time
Speaker 4: if you're in the city looking at my world, you know,
Speaker 4: in my life and saying that's what did you accomplish?
Speaker 4: What did you do? You know, there's nothing. What was
Speaker 4: your job?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean to them, it's got to look just as
Speaker 4: as weird as you know, living on top of the
Speaker 4: other stack mile a mile of just high rises. So
Speaker 4: so again that that's I can see why there's divisiveness
Speaker 4: in this world nowadays, because how can they possibly relate
Speaker 4: to what you know what I can relate to and
Speaker 4: how am I supposed to relate to make me live?
Speaker 4: I would you to me, it's a prison, and it
Speaker 4: would be a tomb, especially when you you know, when
Speaker 4: you know someday we are going to get a natural pandemic,
Speaker 4: and you know, that's a tomb. It's just what level
Speaker 4: of the tomb you're going to be.
Speaker 3: So we just kind of live through that, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, we got to prepare ourselves for
Speaker 3: just living our life today.
Speaker 2: Because now we're back to society.
Speaker 3: People can go out and explore and be a little
Speaker 3: more freer than it was. And so I mean we
Speaker 3: should take advantage of that and just go get outside.
Speaker 2: You know, my buddy, he's.
Speaker 3: A rock star and he travels all over and when
Speaker 3: he's home for longer than like thirty days, it's nothing personal.
Speaker 3: It's just that he has to be back on the road.
Speaker 3: He just has to be going. It's not personal to anybody.
Speaker 3: He's not here to not see me or see anybody.
Speaker 3: He's just like I'll see him at a show. Hey
Speaker 3: what's up, bro. He's like, Hey, what's up.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't even have to go to his house,
Speaker 3: he just has to go. And he's one guy that'll
Speaker 3: say I've been everywhere, but nowhere. At the same time,
Speaker 3: he's like, I get to go all these places, these big,
Speaker 3: huge arenas, but I don't get to like really go
Speaker 3: explore and see the Appalachian Mountains or go into anywhere
Speaker 3: past the Toronto Arena, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: it's like kind of stuck in this nine to five
Speaker 3: of that, but has to always be going. And it
Speaker 3: seems like you are too. And are you saying that
Speaker 3: you're seventy years old? Is that what you're telling me
Speaker 3: when you said sixty years ago? Yea, sixty five, sixty five,
Speaker 3: So you've been doing this, You've been staying the course
Speaker 3: in your life for sixty five years. So I just
Speaker 3: want to let my listener know that there's advice to
Speaker 3: be taken from him because he is sixty five years old. Okay,
Speaker 3: So he has lived his life through trees, through storms,
Speaker 3: through scaling cliff sides from hunting and gathering, and you know,
Speaker 3: having executive producers tell him what lighting he needs.
Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah, I was always my own executive producer, so
Speaker 4: so I was on the point. Was they said a
Speaker 4: lot earlier in this podcast. So I had never had
Speaker 4: a boss telling me that I have to do this
Speaker 4: or you know, I made sure I did it the
Speaker 4: way I wanted to do it, and it's yeah. I mean,
Speaker 4: at ten years of age, I knew what I would do,
Speaker 4: but I wanted to accomplish my life, what goals I
Speaker 4: wanted to achieve, and I kept focused on those the
Speaker 4: entire time. But one was the novel Call Me Hunt Roy.
Speaker 2: It's exactly right.
Speaker 4: I started that. I started my first novel when I
Speaker 4: was ten years old. I wrote, you know, I got
Speaker 4: a book ten pages in and said, I haven't lived
Speaker 4: a life yet. You know, I can barely write. I
Speaker 4: couldn't even read before that. The game it's all and
Speaker 4: call me Hunter because it's fairly autobiographical. The uh yeah
Speaker 4: I had, I had you'll you'll find it there. I
Speaker 4: had to live life first, and that I penned the
Speaker 4: first words have called Me Hunter back in ninety two,
Speaker 4: ninety three, you know, as your Bago was dead, I
Speaker 4: hunted them down and I killed them and I started writing,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, realize still I had not lived
Speaker 4: enough life, even though I lived another thirty years from
Speaker 4: when I first started forty years. You know, I need
Speaker 4: to get out there and keep going until I had
Speaker 4: a story to tell. And that's that, you know, that's
Speaker 4: what that that novel is is. You know you said
Speaker 4: I'm sixty five. Yeah, I'm sixty five because I it
Speaker 4: literally took me that long to live the life I
Speaker 4: needed to live to be able to have a story
Speaker 4: to tell that would be interest anybody. And I didn't
Speaker 4: want to make it up out of the blue, which
Speaker 4: is a game. Why I said, go ahead. You know
Speaker 4: there's there's lines in there that I know people are
Speaker 4: gonna say, Okay, that's bullshit, not both that's true.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 3: It's call me Hunter, all right and Jim Shocky, Jim,
Speaker 3: this book's gonna be out. Everybody's gonna be checking it out.
Speaker 3: I have to give a shout out to my local
Speaker 3: sporting goods store here because I went in and I
Speaker 3: was talking to him about some archery stuff before I interview,
Speaker 3: so I knew about triggers.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I said, yeah, They're like, who are you
Speaker 2: going to interview?
Speaker 4: Rad?
Speaker 3: I said, have you ever heard of Jim Shocky? And
Speaker 3: they just stopped and they just looked at me. I
Speaker 3: have to say it's at my local Shields right over here,
Speaker 3: because the guy's at the archery counter.
Speaker 2: Okay, at Shields in Sandy, Utah.
Speaker 3: You boys over there, thank you for dropping what you're
Speaker 3: doing to show me all the different techniques of the
Speaker 3: triggers and everything over there, so that I could talk
Speaker 3: to Jim and have a little more understanding, because Jim,
Speaker 3: I come from a You're gonna wake up Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: You're gonna go to the park, and I've got this
Speaker 3: guy lined up and he's gonna teach you to do
Speaker 3: archery by my father. And my dad would wake me
Speaker 3: up seven in the morning, get up sunrise, You're going
Speaker 3: up to the park and I would sit there and
Speaker 3: do recurve and learn how to put recurve on and
Speaker 3: learn how to shoot recurve. So all through boy scouts
Speaker 3: and all through growing up of archery, and I was
Speaker 3: really excited to talk to you about you know, everything
Speaker 3: that we have had on this conversation. So I just
Speaker 3: want to say thank you for just being awesome and
Speaker 3: loving to your wife and your family and the museum.
Speaker 2: And where's that museum at.
Speaker 4: It's Vancouver Island. So it's a little place called Duncan
Speaker 4: Maple Bay. It's about one hour north of Victoria on
Speaker 4: Vancouver Island and Victoria's capital of British Columbia. It's the
Speaker 4: school that our kids went to school in Maple Vale Elementary.
Speaker 4: Actually they built in sixty one and decommissioned in the
Speaker 4: year two thousand and we bought it in near twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: You know, squatters lived in here. I took four forty
Speaker 4: foot containers of personal garbage out of this place. We
Speaker 4: bought it and there was no furnaces, all stolen, copper wiring,
Speaker 4: copper plumbing all stolen. It was a daryland building. My
Speaker 4: coore wife, she broke down a tear. She said, it's
Speaker 4: a white hell fhant I said, I said, no I have.
Speaker 4: It's my vision.
Speaker 3: Oh look, yeah, vision, I see it.
Speaker 4: You know, we had over twenty six thousand visitors last year.
Speaker 4: We'll have over over thirty thousand this year. Donation only
Speaker 4: anybody can walk in the door and it's the hand
Speaker 4: of Man. Anybody can google that hand of Man. Museum
Speaker 4: of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation and call me hunter.
Speaker 4: Is is based on a game. It's all part of this,
Speaker 4: part of this whole journey. The story of a life
Speaker 4: lived beyond the panis and that's the museum is a
Speaker 4: big part of that, the collecting the art world because
Speaker 4: there's a lot of cultural arts in here that That's
Speaker 4: what the premise of the story called Me Hunter is
Speaker 4: all about, is that underground of the we're collecting becomes
Speaker 4: an obsession. You know, it becomes pathological for some people.
Speaker 4: And the more money you have, you know, just the
Speaker 4: worth of more, the further you'll go to gather whatever
Speaker 4: it is, steal it whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your passion.
Speaker 4: Then it becomes mutated into something beyond that. And you know,
Speaker 4: there's a healthy level of collecting. I might be just
Speaker 4: past that level when you walk in here, you'll see
Speaker 4: that thousands of pieces, but you know there's a level
Speaker 4: where it gets to where it's mutated into something that's evil.
Speaker 4: And that that's what Calming Hunters that comes to the
Speaker 4: story is that it's based in the art world and
Speaker 4: collecting people that have an innate ability to recognize beauty.
Speaker 4: You don't see it, you know you feel it and
Speaker 4: you know it allever that sense is triggered. So so
Speaker 4: that's that's what it's about, is is that that lifetime
Speaker 4: of collecting for this museum.
Speaker 3: Well, if you're out there listening and you're in the area,
Speaker 3: you should go check out the museum. And if you're
Speaker 3: not in the area and you're going to go visit
Speaker 3: the area, you should go check out the museum. Or
Speaker 3: you can probably just visit something down below that we're
Speaker 3: going to have typed out that might have like a
Speaker 3: donat to keep the museum also donated. If there's some
Speaker 3: type of a link, we'll ask for that later and
Speaker 3: my guys will put that in the back back end
Speaker 3: on the website for you.
Speaker 2: So there's just an extra link.
Speaker 3: If somebody wants to click it and send you like
Speaker 3: a moose knuckle, don't do that.
Speaker 4: Please, don't do that.
Speaker 2: Tell me, no, don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: Only if you're a little billy and you're in the area.
Speaker 4: Anybody you can Google call me a Google handed Man
Speaker 4: Museum and it'll come up.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just yeah, we'll have that, we'll have
Speaker 2: that posted up there for you.
Speaker 4: Jim. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well listen, I've had you, I've had you for over
Speaker 3: an hour. You're great, and I now want to get
Speaker 3: you back to the love of your life, which is
Speaker 3: not me okay, and so I love the look.
Speaker 4: Not quite my touch. Remember I said you feel beauty. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 3: I've got some hands though, I can get your shoulders.
Speaker 3: So I gave a shout out to the boys over
Speaker 3: my arch recounter. I love talking to you, and I
Speaker 3: think that you're a wonderful guest and you're a welcome
Speaker 3: addition to our soft Rep mafia family that we have
Speaker 3: ever growing in the special operations community. You're just as
Speaker 3: special operations as special operations, all right.
Speaker 2: So that's how we're gonna look at it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and sign off with us saying
Speaker 3: thank you Jim Shockey for being a part of our lives.
Speaker 3: Call Me Hunter is going to be out in all
Speaker 3: the bookstores if you can find it in a local
Speaker 3: mom and pop. Please support local mom and pop bookstores.
Speaker 3: They are doing a good favor for us all. I
Speaker 3: also want to mention our book club for Soft Rep.
Speaker 3: Please check that out, and again the merch store, and
Speaker 3: a big salute to Jim. Thank you for being on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a pleasure, lots of fun. I'm looking
Speaker 4: forward to being on a gate someday.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, can I get a thumbs up from your hand.
Speaker 2: Is he there? Can we get a thumbs up from you? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: bring him over there.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Well you have a wonderful day. And this is Brad
Speaker 2: say in peace.
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