Speaker 1: Welcome the Guys We.
Speaker 2: Find the Anti slut shaming Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Christina Hutchings, I'm Kuran Fisher, and I'm Yea. Bring
Speaker 1: us to slugging your horny and your shame. Hey it
Speaker 1: was what?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, what a fucker's how you doing where you've been?
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Guys We Fucked. It's the
Speaker 2: Anti slut shaming Podcast. I'm Karenne Fisher. I'm Christina Hutchinson.
Speaker 2: Should we have moved this camera or no?
Speaker 4: The camera's friend?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the third one. That's not well, I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: so we could get two shots. Okay, anyway, that's I
Speaker 2: was told the the white is the one the close up?
Speaker 1: Was that a weird wo oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was like, I we technically should still
Speaker 2: have both, but okay, okay, that's.
Speaker 1: Where the yeah about that later.
Speaker 2: Okay, So guys, if you want a little behind the
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Speaker 2: subject line to move in or to not move in?
Speaker 1: Is the question?
Speaker 2: Probably I like to answer them at the time and
Speaker 2: then see if I was right. Hey, Christina and Corinzo,
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I'm a twenty six year old woman.
Speaker 2: I've known this guy thirty three years old for about
Speaker 2: a year. We actually just started dating three months ago. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't fucking move in now. The backstory is that he
Speaker 2: got out of a pretty serious five year long relationship
Speaker 2: about six months ago, So three months into his new
Speaker 2: found single them, you guys started dating. After that, he
Speaker 2: decided to move to a small town not too far
Speaker 2: from where I live, and he's staying with his mom.
Speaker 2: He's having a full nervous breakdown he is. Now Here's
Speaker 2: where it gets tricky. He's really keen on moving in
Speaker 2: with me at my place where I live with my because.
Speaker 1: He wants to get out of his mom's house.
Speaker 2: Correct, the writing's on the wall, Brough. You just got
Speaker 2: to look at it.
Speaker 1: It's all love. Or is he living with his mom?
Speaker 1: He's probably because he's living with his mom.
Speaker 2: I'll admit I've been a bit all all over the
Speaker 2: place with my decision on this. Sometimes I've said yes,
Speaker 2: and then other times I've pulled back and said no.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I really think we can make it
Speaker 2: work living together. But I can't help feeling like it's
Speaker 2: just too soon.
Speaker 1: Houston.
Speaker 2: That means it is, that's your gut telling you what
Speaker 2: to do. I also like how she's like, she's like
Speaker 2: a Carrie Bradshaw. She's like, I just can't help but
Speaker 2: think it's too soon. It's like, can't help but look
Speaker 2: at a calendar, it's too soon.
Speaker 1: We don't have to have feelings. We literally can look
Speaker 1: at a calendar and go, whoops.
Speaker 2: You could count the amount of days you've been together
Speaker 2: in under a minute.
Speaker 4: You stop.
Speaker 2: I mean she just got out of a serious, long
Speaker 2: term relationship earlier this year. There we go one major
Speaker 2: factory putting too and two agother Gruel, and we've finally
Speaker 2: been officially and we've only been officially together for three months. Again,
Speaker 2: another important thing to consider. There we go recently, though,
Speaker 2: I've finally made up my mind everything's recent in your
Speaker 2: relationship because you've only been together for three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had an honest talk with him and told him
Speaker 2: that I think we should hold off on moving in
Speaker 2: together for now, especially seeing that I am already living
Speaker 2: with my brother. I let him have a room until
Speaker 2: he gets back on his feet.
Speaker 1: You're brother almost shelter for Matt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but guess what, he's very angry with me. Ooh,
Speaker 2: that's a red flag and giving me the silent treatment. Oh,
Speaker 2: two red flags, and you know what, girl, that's a
Speaker 2: gift to scroll back to the park where she was like,
Speaker 2: I really think we can make a living together work.
Speaker 1: Please know that these red flags are a gift and
Speaker 1: not a challenge. Okay, it's not a fucking challenge, all right.
Speaker 1: He's accusing me of toying with his feelings and playing
Speaker 1: mind games.
Speaker 2: This guy has the potential to be very emotionally abusive
Speaker 2: of them. I know I'm not saying that he is,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying if he was, I wouldn't be like what.
Speaker 2: He's accusing me of toying with his feelings and playing
Speaker 2: mind games. Because I've been back and forth on the
Speaker 2: whole idea. I mean, that's what happens when you're trying
Speaker 2: to make a decision.
Speaker 1: Correct. The thing is, my mind is set now.
Speaker 2: I really do believe the waiting before taking such a
Speaker 2: big step makes more sense. I even suggested that he
Speaker 2: could find his own place nearby so we can still
Speaker 2: see each other all the time. But he's not really
Speaker 2: into that idea, even though he can totally afford it.
Speaker 1: Okay, this guy sucks. I do not like him. I
Speaker 1: don't even think he likes you. I think he just
Speaker 1: wanted to that wasn't his mom's.
Speaker 2: He's upset because he was really looking forward to living
Speaker 2: together and now things have taken a turn. But come on,
Speaker 2: isn't it okay for me to change my mind?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your take on this. Am I being
Speaker 1: unreasonable here?
Speaker 2: I'm a little alarmed that you cannot see what red
Speaker 2: flags are swimming with this guy. What the fuck you
Speaker 2: just started dating and he's mad at you for changing
Speaker 2: your mind, which is something that people do. You were
Speaker 2: in the middle of making a decision. This guy better
Speaker 2: be so fucking hot. I don't even care if he's
Speaker 2: hot due this guy be so for like eight hours, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: or whatever you like and finger in. Some people are
Speaker 2: more finger people that me, meaning yeah, he should cook
Speaker 2: for you. I mean, Jesus Christ, this is insane, this guy.
Speaker 2: If you were my friend, I would I would say something.
Speaker 2: I would say I would say something to you and
Speaker 2: be like, dude, I can't get out of this relationship.
Speaker 2: Need This guy's having a full breakdown, he needs to
Speaker 2: mourn the old relations. Thirty three, it's too soon, he's
Speaker 2: living with his mom, he's immature for thirty three. All
Speaker 2: signs pointed. Now everything about this isn't now I'm and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess. We'll never know, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: guess that the reason why he's so eager to move
Speaker 2: in with you so quickly is because it will make
Speaker 2: him forget about the pain that he's experiencing with his breakup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he needs a band aid and it's you. Yes,
Speaker 1: women are not stupid. Women are people.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna not be a dumb bitch and
Speaker 2: we're gonna walk away, and we're gonna say cyonara. I
Speaker 2: cannot reinforce the fact enough that you guys need to
Speaker 2: read back the emails before you press that end on them,
Speaker 2: write them out it's cathartic, and then read them back
Speaker 2: and pretend you're not you reading your own email and
Speaker 2: think what I think. This person is a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: And I gotta be honest. You're gonna say yes almost
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 1: And honestly too.
Speaker 2: I've noticed people are asking the wrong questions. I would
Speaker 2: be more concerned with why why you didn't like the
Speaker 2: fact that he's rushing you to make a very important
Speaker 2: decision and acting like you don't have the right to
Speaker 2: like to to to kind of reason it out out
Speaker 2: loud with yourself and change your mind.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, That's it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't if a friend was like that towards me
Speaker 2: with a decision, even if it.
Speaker 1: Had nothing to do with them, I'd be like, get
Speaker 1: off my dick, dude.
Speaker 2: I also want to know why moving in at this
Speaker 2: point was even on the table, Like did he just
Speaker 2: bring it up out of thin air?
Speaker 4: Hey, here's a fun idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did even come from? Can he afford to live
Speaker 1: on his own? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because the thing is, I'm glad that the the the
Speaker 2: people that are writing in that have a problem that's
Speaker 2: very we would consider.
Speaker 1: We would label it right away dumb bitch, dumb bitch,
Speaker 1: dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: I want you to keep writing in because there's still
Speaker 2: a disconnect happening.
Speaker 1: But it's not that am I being a dumb bitch
Speaker 1: or not? You know, you know you are.
Speaker 2: The question is, and what I'd ray rather help you
Speaker 2: figure out is why, Like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Here. What are you not seeing?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Why are you kind of guarding the truth? Does it
Speaker 2: relate to something in your life that was old? Like
Speaker 2: an old thing?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny to be like, it's not whether or
Speaker 2: not you are stupid, it's like why are you stupid?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's but to me, I've I've.
Speaker 2: You know why, it is always more interesting, yes, And
Speaker 2: I've been on the self help bandwagon for a really
Speaker 2: long time, and the thing is like I've danced, I've
Speaker 2: witnessed myself dance around what the actual issue at hand was.
Speaker 2: And so it's always the why, and it's always I
Speaker 2: think that's the safest bet, is like dive into yourself internally.
Speaker 1: You know, we get a lot of emails about why
Speaker 1: is he doing this? Why is he doing this? Why
Speaker 1: are you taking it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean that's why the guy Winch breaks up at
Speaker 2: you know. Advice of making the list of the reasons
Speaker 2: why the person's not good for you is so simple
Speaker 2: yet so genius, And I even like not a in
Speaker 2: a listical sort of way. But I use that kind
Speaker 2: of tactic with myself all the time when I'm missing
Speaker 2: someone that I shouldn't miss or thinking about something that
Speaker 2: I shouldn't think about.
Speaker 1: I literally just sit.
Speaker 2: And then then go over all the terrible things that
Speaker 2: that person has done to me, the ways that they
Speaker 2: in which they've made me feel that we're negative, and
Speaker 2: I really am able to talk myself out of it,
Speaker 2: like quite quite easily, and be like, can you imagine
Speaker 2: I actually think of this, like like, can you imagine
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: You said you had a little we never got to
Speaker 2: your the thing from the other episode that you were
Speaker 2: going to share.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just just like a thing that.
Speaker 2: I observed with it being so hot out Are hot
Speaker 2: enough for you? One of our those genies words classes, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that I get really like horny when I
Speaker 2: wear like slutty clothes, and you know, the words slutty
Speaker 2: to me when it applies to something I'm wearing is
Speaker 2: like a.
Speaker 1: Little bit of cleaving.
Speaker 2: I always impressed at you're that I could even see
Speaker 2: the line in your boobs today that never comes out,
Speaker 2: that never makes an appearance. I'm getting more comfortable wearing
Speaker 2: less clothing in public.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I still don't know why I wasn't comfortable with it,
Speaker 2: but like I'm really leaning in hard. Well you explained
Speaker 2: it kind of in the past as like because you
Speaker 2: got so much attention from a young age, because you
Speaker 2: developed early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I look at think about like the more recent times
Speaker 2: that I'm like no, and I'm like when I really
Speaker 2: interrogated it, or maybe that just that the effect that
Speaker 2: that had on me has just disintegrated, right, and now
Speaker 2: it's the new It's the new me, the new you
Speaker 2: with a little slit some titties of booby. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: always a slip between my boobs, but it's just blank space.
Speaker 2: Look as much I have would have to push them
Speaker 2: to even create such a thing. So you can you
Speaker 2: can run, you can do jumping. Jack's brawlis and it
Speaker 2: don't hurt. No, it's it's still hurts.
Speaker 1: It's still hurts. Yes, I absolutely cannot work out without
Speaker 1: a brad.
Speaker 2: Se Okay, oh okay, because I have to hold my
Speaker 2: boobs when I run and I wear a sports bra.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I know that's.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: I never The only time I wear a broad these
Speaker 2: days is when I'm at the gym. There was I
Speaker 2: noticed too, and I assumed it was because I'm not
Speaker 2: in my twenties anymore getting like hit on in public
Speaker 2: or like just just hit on by randoms walking down
Speaker 2: the street. It's kind of stopped for a while, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's interesting. I was just observing it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's weird because I still feel like sexy
Speaker 2: and hot, and I'm like, I think it w was
Speaker 2: great and then it just started back up again and
Speaker 2: I'm like, literally no idea, why oh I'm doing there's
Speaker 2: nothing different interesting. Yeah, it's like like you know how
Speaker 2: this thing will happen, like when one of your ex
Speaker 2: texts you out of the blue, like three of them do.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's like that, like when a rain's
Speaker 2: a poor as I'm like, god, damn, I really got
Speaker 2: my groove back or something. I didn't even think I
Speaker 2: didn't lose it, but I like, yeah, for some days worse,
Speaker 2: I feel like. I mean, I'm like like I go
Speaker 2: on my long ass Sunday walks with my dog and
Speaker 2: I mean just like ridiculous, and I'm never wearing makeup
Speaker 2: during these walks. I hate that. I hate that because
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you you're joking?
Speaker 4: Stop?
Speaker 2: Well I did think good though, but my skin has
Speaker 2: been like very good and I puss like have put
Speaker 2: my nose ring back in, and then my hair is
Speaker 2: like really good. So I'm like I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm like I really don't back you honestly need make up,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was like wearing like a like a
Speaker 2: you know, like those onesies that are popular now, but
Speaker 2: like the athletic onesie, so I have like a short
Speaker 2: like on sea. Yeah, then I just uh And I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just not you know, go around the
Speaker 2: city and I wasn't doing it to get it to
Speaker 2: I fucking hate when I get attention. Actually, I just
Speaker 2: like going around and spending time with my dog and
Speaker 2: bonding with him. But I was like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is out of this is out of control. I guess
Speaker 2: the hitting on that's happening with me is not annoying.
Speaker 1: It's really like this other guy's kind it all to be.
Speaker 2: This guy, this really cute skateboarder guying skated up to me,
Speaker 2: was like hey, I just think he was from Ireland
Speaker 2: and he was trying to tell me all about Ireland.
Speaker 1: Irishmen love you, Christina Iris Schmagnet. No good for me though.
Speaker 2: Irishcars are hot but and they're so like charming, and
Speaker 2: he was really cute and he was being very charming.
Speaker 2: He's trying to tell me about Ireland. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was waiting for him to finish so I could
Speaker 2: say like, yeah, my boyfriend's from Dublin and he.
Speaker 1: But like the hitting on that's happening with me.
Speaker 2: Is like quality, that's good. So I'm like, thank god,
Speaker 2: I'm only interested in men under thirty and that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of fat in the East village, which is
Speaker 2: good and I but then I I'm like, how do
Speaker 2: you even like they have to approach you though, because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't look like a fucking crazy lady, right,
Speaker 2: you should.
Speaker 1: Just have a teacher come over. Oh.
Speaker 2: In my standup, I always I always make it very
Speaker 2: clear that I love younger guys.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, yeah, make it very clear.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times they will come up to
Speaker 2: me after the show because I said that.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I know, I have to really let
Speaker 1: them know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really does everyone walking around the neighborhood looking like they're
Speaker 2: an extra from Euphoria?
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is great. Yeah, get that those gauntabs
Speaker 1: over here? Yeah, oh my god, yeah they all look
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Got the bad bad boy who also isn't he's not America,
Speaker 2: He's the Australian or something bad boy, the bad boy
Speaker 2: from Eupouria, the one whose dad is like HoTT home,
Speaker 2: my god, that guy's so hot. It's actually it's unfair
Speaker 2: I saw a guy who looked just like him on
Speaker 2: the subway and I was like, I was a VIP.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I very rarely like stare at men, and I could
Speaker 2: not stop looking at this guy.
Speaker 1: I was, Dude, this guy's so hot. I don't even
Speaker 1: care if he sees me staring at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same.
Speaker 2: It's so rare for a woman to have the opportunity
Speaker 2: to be blown away by mob looks, and it's and
Speaker 2: honestly like New York. It's happened to me more in
Speaker 2: New York than any of the city. But I can
Speaker 2: count on one fucking hand the amount of times that
Speaker 2: it's happened. Yeah, it's very rare that. I'm just like
Speaker 2: that I actually can't control it. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: I can always control it, but that I like not
Speaker 2: making an effort to.
Speaker 1: Control, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like me with firefighters, like when they're when
Speaker 2: it's a hot one, I fuck off, cap call.
Speaker 1: Him, I'll give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I'll ask them what they're doing later. I don't even
Speaker 2: intend to follow up with any of that. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: it's like, I can't I act like a dude. The
Speaker 2: firefighters want attention to They're always hanging out with their
Speaker 2: with the door open.
Speaker 1: Just like doing little exercises.
Speaker 2: One time recently, they just had a like a saw,
Speaker 2: an electric suchainsaw, and they were just like and they
Speaker 2: were just like going like this. They were just like
Speaker 2: going like this in front of that firehouse for no reason.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, because they have to do
Speaker 2: their little exercises to practice for the fire that's my
Speaker 2: favorite part. They might as well do them on the
Speaker 2: fucking curve. They're always practicing. Sometimes they take the ladder
Speaker 2: out and they practice climbing to the roof.
Speaker 1: They're always very busy, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I also always walk Alfred by. But
Speaker 2: then they also they started this thing where they have
Speaker 2: a box of milk bones for all the neighborhood dogs.
Speaker 2: And now Alfred acts like a hot girl and he
Speaker 2: walks back. He's always like because I always like kind
Speaker 2: of peering.
Speaker 1: Like am I getting a milk bone or not?
Speaker 2: And he's only very strict diet and I don't even
Speaker 2: allow him to eat.
Speaker 1: I would never feed my milk bone. What is he
Speaker 1: a peasant?
Speaker 2: I would never feel like like the cheapest dog food.
Speaker 2: But I love them so much and it brings the
Speaker 2: firefighters and off such joy that I let Alfred eat
Speaker 2: a milk bone from the firefighters, even though I feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, that's the equivalent of like every
Speaker 2: now and then you let your kid have McDonald's. Sure,
Speaker 2: that's Alfred's. McDonald's is a milk bone. What's even in that?
Speaker 1: Come on here?
Speaker 2: I wish it was just air. It's probably just like
Speaker 2: ground up, like chicken bones or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you. I don't know what's in there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? What did I What did
Speaker 1: I read on here? Oh? I'm excited for someone to
Speaker 1: be over though, because goddamn is heat?
Speaker 4: Oh isn't it awful?
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard to breathe, it's hard to be Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when it gets this hot, which we've been lucky,
Speaker 2: but May while I was in Dallas, Texas, we should
Speaker 2: we should, we really got a bust climate deniers to Dallas,
Speaker 2: Texas because Jesus Christ, it felt.
Speaker 1: Like the wind burned my skin. It was one hundred
Speaker 1: and six degrees. It was so hot. I was like
Speaker 1: it made me angry. Damn.
Speaker 2: I could have napped for like hours and hours and
Speaker 2: hours after doing a five minute walk outside as well
Speaker 2: there saying, well, I was thinking about that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's always a point in the summer, and we are
Speaker 2: at that now where I'm just like, I'm good.
Speaker 4: I'm over this one of the worst months.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm just sweaty, like my skin like and my
Speaker 2: hair can't get a fuck catch a fucking brak. It's
Speaker 2: just it's just it just goes Okay, we get we
Speaker 2: get it. It's hot, it's it's too much. And uh
Speaker 2: then I just started thinking about, like, you know what
Speaker 2: Lana del Ray was really onto something with summertime sadness.
Speaker 2: I'm like, because overall I have been like very happy.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, there is a point in summer
Speaker 2: where it almost feels like summer and is and everyone
Speaker 2: having a good time in summer is like mocking you.
Speaker 2: And You're like, I get it. You're like, we all
Speaker 2: love summer so much. And also I just like I
Speaker 2: know that like anyone, anytime someone says summer is their
Speaker 2: same favorite season, I'm like, we're not going to get along,
Speaker 2: Like we just see things differently, Like oh, yesterday I
Speaker 2: had my first pumpkin a spice latte of the season,
Speaker 2: which ready yeah. Yeah, we fucking CDs putting out Halloween candy.
Speaker 2: Yeah no a second, No, August is Halloween time. And
Speaker 2: I'm all four rushing it because I'm like, I would
Speaker 2: like that he's until last three months, and I think they've,
Speaker 2: you know, found out how lucrative it is, so they've
Speaker 2: started doing it.
Speaker 1: And normally I am very.
Speaker 2: Good about like saving it till it's like the you know,
Speaker 2: till September. But I was like, no, we're doing it today,
Speaker 2: lean in and I did it yesterday and it was great.
Speaker 2: It's like the most basic bitch thing about me, and
Speaker 2: I don't care it is, but it's so delicious. Fucking
Speaker 2: who doesn't like a pumpkin spice so good? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you're insane if you I get making fun of liking it.
Speaker 2: For sure, one percent, I'm right there with you as
Speaker 2: I'm in line for it.
Speaker 1: But you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't drink that ship and tell me that doesn't
Speaker 2: taste like liquid gold. The orgasm in your mouth, fucking gray.
Speaker 2: It's really good hopped around drinking. It's drinking a pumpkin
Speaker 2: spice latte in shorts. Great, nice, incredible, incredible, Michael, how
Speaker 2: are we dating these days?
Speaker 1: Uh, I have.
Speaker 6: I have a little thing that's happening, but it's not
Speaker 6: trying to not get too ahead of myself.
Speaker 1: Why to get too excited about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have told Courent about it. But it's good. Yeah,
Speaker 6: she's nice. She's older than I am. One of the
Speaker 6: first times I've I've kind of experimented with somebody.
Speaker 2: I thought you had, oh to date, I know you've
Speaker 2: had relations with Yes, I've waited how many years older?
Speaker 4: Not much older, Like I think she's only like a
Speaker 4: year older.
Speaker 6: Oh, she's you know, it is different usually geriatric.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2: I feel like one to two years is like it
Speaker 2: basically like not a difference.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't even say older. I would just say it's
Speaker 6: different than what I've used. What I've typically dated.
Speaker 1: Usually rang aentially younger.
Speaker 4: Not substantially younger.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so much younger.
Speaker 6: The range is like usually twenty eight, twenty seven, maybe
Speaker 6: twenty seven to like around my age, right right, right, right, yeah, crazy,
Speaker 6: but yeah, but we'll see what happens. It's still very
Speaker 6: we're not like we're definitely not official, and we're not
Speaker 6: like we've just been hanging out.
Speaker 1: It feels cool, cool each other out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see what happens. It's going in a good direction.
Speaker 2: But it's not like I haven't heard any frantic Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I haven't got received any frantic calls.
Speaker 1: So I like that.
Speaker 4: I really am a little too busy to like date.
Speaker 1: That's oh, I'm getting a horny. That's that's the attitude
Speaker 1: of the ladies.
Speaker 6: It's just like starting a business is a nightmare. If
Speaker 6: I would have known that it was going to be
Speaker 6: this much work and the stressful in January when I
Speaker 6: started my venture, I probably wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kid, And she's like, I'll never do that again.
Speaker 4: So it's a lot of work.
Speaker 2: Well, we talk about it all the time that we like,
Speaker 2: running your own business is the worst thing you can
Speaker 2: do yourself. You will be your meanest bosses, of course,
Speaker 2: and there's always something that you could be doing at
Speaker 2: all times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then there's even just like you're you're sitting
Speaker 6: around like if it's not worth we're not recording this.
Speaker 6: If I'm recording somebody else, I get a text that
Speaker 6: something else isn't done, Like you're just constantly trying to
Speaker 6: put out fires.
Speaker 4: At all hours of the day. And I would.
Speaker 6: I will say that so far with the so I
Speaker 6: haven't been dating in terms of like going out with
Speaker 6: a bunch of different people. And I think that's also
Speaker 6: the weird thing about starting to kind of like somebody
Speaker 6: you're You're in this position where like I haven't been
Speaker 6: in a relationship in so long, you kind of have
Speaker 6: do like I'm in the process of reprogramming in my
Speaker 6: usual instinct priorities. Yeah, like if I have any downtime,
Speaker 6: a lot of times it's just like a knee jerk
Speaker 6: reaction sometimes to pick up the phone and check Hinge.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 6: I'm not actively on Hinge looking to meet anybody else.
Speaker 6: It's just kind of like this thing that I have
Speaker 6: to stop myself from doing because I've done it for
Speaker 6: two and a half almost three years now, you know.
Speaker 6: So it's this weird transition period where it's like like
Speaker 6: I don't have.
Speaker 4: A girlfriend yet, but I'm not.
Speaker 6: Like it's not like I wouldn't if the situation was right,
Speaker 6: like potentially still hook up with somebody, because we're not
Speaker 6: quite there yet and I don't want to get too
Speaker 6: ahead of myself hopefully, So I'm talking but by the
Speaker 6: time she hears this, it'd also be weeks from when
Speaker 6: we recorded it, but you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's just this weird thing you're like reshifting your.
Speaker 1: Something I saved on.
Speaker 2: I have like guys who fucked intro topics in my
Speaker 2: Instagram and this this quote was really interesting. It's it's
Speaker 2: nothing profound, it's very simplistic, but it lends itself to
Speaker 2: what you're talking about. Like in a relationship, you can't
Speaker 2: just do what you want. You always have to think
Speaker 2: about the other person. And that's what people don't understand. Oh,
Speaker 2: I understand it. That's why I try to stay out
Speaker 2: of it, right right right, And there I understand it
Speaker 2: all too well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there is like a there to shift your
Speaker 2: priority because I remember, Mike, like you were very like
Speaker 2: you really took dating seriously and then after you your business,
Speaker 2: like having your own business that you're excited about, like
Speaker 2: regardless of how stressful it.
Speaker 1: Is and like mind numbing at times. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that's where you're putting your energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's the weird thing in now is like
Speaker 6: like I get so stressed out during the week that
Speaker 6: there are times where on the weekend that there's still
Speaker 6: part of my brain that's like all right, it's bender time,
Speaker 6: Like it's time to like go out, Yeah, yeah, meet
Speaker 6: a girl, get drinks, like yeah, like have a crazy
Speaker 6: weekend or whatever. Because it's like those finance guys, this
Speaker 6: is the perfect example to push it to the limit
Speaker 6: during the week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they're just like they move.
Speaker 1: And then Mikey comes in and sweeps up the l No.
Speaker 6: It's just kind of it's just this thing where it's
Speaker 6: like I'm reprogramming like how I do because the the we've.
Speaker 1: They're working harder and you're playing harder.
Speaker 4: I'm working harder and I'm playing harder.
Speaker 6: But I also in a phase of my life where
Speaker 6: like the times that I have hung out with this person,
Speaker 6: we've kind of gone back and forth with like going
Speaker 6: out to dinner and like hanging out on the couch. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and and like we're finding that balance I think already.
Speaker 6: And the times that like I get to hang out
Speaker 6: with her on a Tuesday or something, when there's when
Speaker 6: I I'm like, all right, I have I have four
Speaker 6: hours tonight where I don't have to like record or
Speaker 6: edit or anything, like let's hang out, let's watch a movie.
Speaker 6: It feels really good. So yeah, yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 6: embrace the fact. And I do think that this person
Speaker 6: is into me, which is a newer thing. No, well,
Speaker 6: we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: I always challeng yes, yes, yes, like you.
Speaker 4: No, but unavailable means a lot of things.
Speaker 2: They don't see like a whole future with you. Perhaps
Speaker 2: they're not in.
Speaker 6: So I think I'm just trying to let myself like
Speaker 6: I'm trying given to the ease of that of somebody,
Speaker 6: like like.
Speaker 1: Of not having to stress about someone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just like like somebody that that feels that is
Speaker 6: like kind of letting it be known that she's into me.
Speaker 4: Uh and fascinating.
Speaker 6: I think that there's like something that's really nice about
Speaker 6: it that now there's like a connection with somebody that's
Speaker 6: like hilarious.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 2: I know it is so common and so many people
Speaker 2: writ but it is so you guys. It is so
Speaker 2: hard for me to grasp the interest in someone not interesting.
Speaker 2: I will never get over this.
Speaker 1: I will tell you.
Speaker 2: It's not something that you would you would be ignited by,
Speaker 2: but for some people it's fuel.
Speaker 1: It's weird because it's a chance to prove that you
Speaker 1: are worth well.
Speaker 2: No, I conceptually understand why people are doing it. It's
Speaker 2: still just doesn't I go, why would we do this?
Speaker 2: Arge it feels so self destructive. It feels it feels
Speaker 2: wildly self destructive to a point where like I wow,
Speaker 2: yet damn and like everything that you're like, all all
Speaker 2: the bonding that's happening allegedly in that type of relationship
Speaker 2: is fake, Like it's not actually it's like all in
Speaker 2: your head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild, it's wild, but man, it's a weird
Speaker 1: I don't want to say motivator.
Speaker 2: That's not the right word, but like, I have gotten
Speaker 2: so into men who were not into me in the past, Like,
Speaker 2: and I think back, I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: Because when they don't like you, you and then they
Speaker 6: they give you feel like you've been chosen.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, yeah yeah the bread crumbing, the bread crumbing.
Speaker 3: Oh yes.
Speaker 2: But another option is someone who chose you outright without
Speaker 2: you begging for it.
Speaker 4: It's not as fun. That's like, no, it's actually.
Speaker 2: More fun, I assure you, well, right, because it's a
Speaker 2: it's like it's a healthy bond because you don't you
Speaker 2: don't feel you don't feel like you had to convince someone.
Speaker 1: They just liked you the whole time.
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, I think somebody who's constantly going after
Speaker 2: unavailability is is just you. They you, your notion, your
Speaker 2: like ground zero level of how to be is too much,
Speaker 2: it's too much work, it's too much uh grinding of
Speaker 2: the gears. But it's like it's what you accept as
Speaker 2: the level zero, whereas the actual level zero was just
Speaker 2: calm and reciprocated, and we go at whatever pace we're
Speaker 2: going to go at, and there's no clinging, and there's
Speaker 2: no because like even if you convinced some even if
Speaker 2: I was like for instance, like even if I like
Speaker 2: took did the undertaking of trying to get someone to
Speaker 2: like me and I ultimately got them to like me,
Speaker 2: how how do you not constantly think, Wow, I had
Speaker 2: to do so much work to get this person to
Speaker 2: like me?
Speaker 1: Why are why? What was? What?
Speaker 2: What was so special about them that I had to earn?
Speaker 2: That's the reasoning way, That's the reasoning that doesn't go
Speaker 2: through your head.
Speaker 1: That should that's.
Speaker 2: Not even a thought Like like the time I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of the times that I've gone after somebody who wasn't available,
Speaker 2: What I didn't ask myself that question, which is why
Speaker 2: I kept doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because I would just then I would just
Speaker 1: honestly be like pissed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I own even if.
Speaker 2: I even if I like was able to achieve it,
Speaker 2: I would just be like, the fuck did I.
Speaker 1: This person? Who the fuck is this person?
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a guy.
Speaker 6: Though in my personal experience and my perspective, I think
Speaker 6: that that's like a common thing.
Speaker 1: I think you're for men to do that, or for
Speaker 1: women to do men.
Speaker 6: I think you're constantly like baiting the hook, and I
Speaker 6: think that like part.
Speaker 1: Of the dance of courting for sure, or like flirting.
Speaker 2: I've never had any type of a man has done
Speaker 2: that has tried so hard to get me to like him,
Speaker 2: I lose a respect for him immediately. Anytime it's actually worked,
Speaker 2: it's been like pretty equal feeling for one another.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I guess maybe that's the key.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously I have the situations that I'm talking about,
Speaker 6: they haven't things worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe you're right.
Speaker 2: But there's any of the instances where it's yeah, where
Speaker 2: it's worked, it was never one person way more than
Speaker 2: the other person. I mean, I think there was times
Speaker 2: when like it seesaw it a little bit. I think
Speaker 2: it's like very hard for it to always be exactly
Speaker 2: even that's like almost impossible. There will always be phases
Speaker 2: where one person likes the other person a little bit more.
Speaker 2: But it was never like any of the ones that worked.
Speaker 2: Was never like wildly off center like that because I
Speaker 2: was just I mean, I would either I would either
Speaker 2: be annoyed by the person trying too hard or I
Speaker 2: would be like the fuck am I like I would
Speaker 2: the other one instance just would never happen, to be honest,
Speaker 2: It's crazy, yeah, man, very fascinating. People get up get
Speaker 2: absorbed in their own mind.
Speaker 1: Is something new for you too?
Speaker 2: I deserve it, Mikey, And I hope it feels good.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it feels good because you said it like
Speaker 2: does feel good.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's awesome. I think that's a really healthy sign.
Speaker 2: I'm trying as long as I just worry that just
Speaker 2: it feels boring, you know. That's like that that I
Speaker 2: think is the thing that you have to worry about
Speaker 2: that like if you start something that it feels boring.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to be cognizant of And again,
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to get too far ahead of myself,
Speaker 6: like where I think the end of the summer is
Speaker 6: a busy time to kind of meet somebody, even though
Speaker 6: we're like like.
Speaker 4: Cuffing season comes up quick.
Speaker 6: But I think that it's just yeah, because like everybody
Speaker 6: for the for like all of August, it seems like
Speaker 6: everybody's like out of town on the weekends, like like
Speaker 6: kind of like getting the last breath of summer, and
Speaker 6: then September hits. Then people are I think are like more.
Speaker 6: I told you at the beginning of the summer. I
Speaker 6: thought this year that like the apps were gonna be
Speaker 6: like like everybody's single, everybody's out whatever. I don't think
Speaker 6: anybody is even really just like like this was the
Speaker 6: first summer that I lived in the city where it
Speaker 6: just felt like nobody was here. Everybody was constantly either
Speaker 6: on trips or in the Hamptons or at the shore
Speaker 6: or something, and it's just weird.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's because I'm in my thirties now people are
Speaker 6: getting older, but I just thought that based off of
Speaker 6: last summer and the summer before, was like, Summer's gonna
Speaker 6: be popping, Like there's people that are just like yeah,
Speaker 6: and it just like wasn't the case. So I don't know,
Speaker 6: it's just weird thing. I'm trying to just like like
Speaker 6: keep it at a good pace and take it slow
Speaker 6: enough where it's like, you know, we've been seen each
Speaker 6: other for I guess it's almost a month now, so
Speaker 6: but you know you're feeling it out once a week
Speaker 6: maybe like here and there. So it's not like it were.
Speaker 6: We're not like it's not too intense yet. But I
Speaker 6: do dig her, and hopefully this will be like something.
Speaker 2: Nice that you said dig this maybe last I said
Speaker 2: I do digger.
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Speaker 4: So happy to have you.
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Speaker 3: Oh so exciting. Well, it's good to be here. It's
Speaker 3: good to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were.
Speaker 2: Saying you will you enjoy talking about things that aren't sex?
Speaker 2: So like, what what do you enjoy talking about everyone's going.
Speaker 3: To just turn off that episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they need to get to know the whole
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Speaker 3: I love talking about sex, you know, I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: I do like talking about sex. I mean I like
Speaker 3: talking about food. I'm a marathon runner now, I like
Speaker 3: talking about running. I actually, you know, sometimes I just
Speaker 3: like listening to other I like hearing other people's stories,
Speaker 3: you know, different people's professions, you know. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: know that's boring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes like I don't want to exit.
Speaker 3: You want to Yeah, Like like now, living back in
Speaker 3: New York City for the first time in like, you know,
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen years or something, I felt like living in
Speaker 3: LA everybody was talking about entertainment, yes, or like you know,
Speaker 3: and like different ways to make it, tries to be
Speaker 3: a famous different ways. It's actually really great to be
Speaker 3: in a city where so many anyone who's like very
Speaker 3: successful here or just anyone in general, like make a living, yeah,
Speaker 3: doing things that aren't entertainment, you know. Like so it's
Speaker 3: sometimes it's really exciting for me to hear about like
Speaker 3: the most mundane jobs.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I also do like everything in moderation, right, So it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: like we're comics for a living, and it's I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't really get tired of laughter, but I I
Speaker 2: you get tired of sex, like to sex lose its
Speaker 2: luster because you're talking about it. You've been doing it
Speaker 2: for a lot, you know, are you just like can
Speaker 2: we just cuddle? Look?
Speaker 1: I love talking.
Speaker 3: About sex and I love having sex.
Speaker 1: Uh do you ever not love your libido?
Speaker 6: Ever?
Speaker 3: I will say sometimes I get a bored of talking
Speaker 3: about porn.
Speaker 1: Or like more like.
Speaker 3: Uh I think because it's almost like I imagine if
Speaker 3: you were just like like I mean, I imagine you
Speaker 3: guys are pretty like established comics, you know, you've reached
Speaker 3: a certain level. Like imagine if like you were having
Speaker 3: a conversation for with like a brand new comic who
Speaker 3: was just like really like had stars in their eyes
Speaker 3: and like they're just like, go, go go, and they
Speaker 3: have all these plans, and of course they want to
Speaker 3: talk about like and then I'm gonna do this, and
Speaker 3: then I want to do this, and then I want
Speaker 3: to do this, and like can.
Speaker 1: You give me an advice?
Speaker 3: And like I want to do you know, Like sometimes
Speaker 3: it's like it's that energy is training a little bit draining,
Speaker 3: and also, you know.
Speaker 2: The same type of conversation and over again that pisses
Speaker 2: me off, even though it's not the person's fault talking
Speaker 2: to me, because of course they're experiencing totally desires, but
Speaker 2: it's like they have every right time to tire that
Speaker 2: I'm retired from giving advice, Like.
Speaker 3: They're coming into the party and I'm leaving the party, and.
Speaker 1: Well, because you need to be interested in the conversations
Speaker 1: that you're having.
Speaker 3: I do hope that doesn't like offend anybody. No, I
Speaker 3: feel that excited when anyone wants, you know, like I
Speaker 3: love everyone, and you know, I'm happy to always, you know,
Speaker 3: try to give advice to people and you know, and whatever.
Speaker 3: Sometimes now especially, things are so different from when I
Speaker 3: was a newbie in the industry. You know, when people
Speaker 3: ask me for advice, I'm like, I'm like, you guys
Speaker 3: know more than me. I'm asking advice, you know.
Speaker 2: Like the platform that's podcasting podcasting similarly, it's a completely
Speaker 2: different template now, like it's I'm like, we can tell
Speaker 2: you what we did, but it's not gonna write.
Speaker 1: It's so disan as it was ten years ago.
Speaker 3: I think podcasts completely changed just in the past six
Speaker 3: months or so, right.
Speaker 2: It changed a lot because technology keeps advancing their key.
Speaker 2: It's like, basically it's just like everyone has to be
Speaker 2: doing more work and making more content for less money,
Speaker 2: you know. So how it was porn changed though over
Speaker 2: the like since since you've started.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've lived like a hundred lives in
Speaker 3: the porn industry.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's almost like I went to like elementary school and
Speaker 3: then high school and college and then post Like it's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but you were different each each phase, and
Speaker 2: the industry was different. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like I really kind of entered the industry
Speaker 3: at a time where there were just so many changes
Speaker 3: every couple years, you know, I don't know, so it's
Speaker 3: really hard to summarize like like one thing and how
Speaker 3: much it's changed, you know. But I kind of came
Speaker 3: into porn when it was like sort of the beginning
Speaker 3: of pay sites, and I kind of came in when
Speaker 3: DVDs were still a thing. They were on the line.
Speaker 3: But like I felt like when I came in, people
Speaker 3: talked about DVDs being on the decline, but then a
Speaker 3: few years later people were glorifying that heyday of the
Speaker 3: DVDs from a few years back. Like I think it
Speaker 3: went like the DVDs were here, and then they went here.
Speaker 3: That's when I came in, and then they went here,
Speaker 3: and nobody was like remember when they were here, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I came in like kind
Speaker 3: of on the decline, but I still got to experience
Speaker 3: that last heyday of DVDs. I guess you.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh I loved I in college, I loved porn DVDs.
Speaker 2: Might be my boyfriend's friend owned a porn shop, so
Speaker 2: I had, so I got so many DVDs.
Speaker 3: Yeah great, I know, I know, Yeah that the tangible
Speaker 3: I think I got to experience the end of the
Speaker 3: tangible product.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get a DVD player nowadays?
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: eBay, I think you can play this. Am I going
Speaker 3: to sound old saying that, like you can play a
Speaker 3: DVD on the on mostly game consoles or did that
Speaker 3: end too?
Speaker 4: You can still do that?
Speaker 3: You can still do that, okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you can also like obviously like attach
Speaker 2: an external like uh DVD player to your computer, to
Speaker 2: your laptop, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that the death of DVDs is when that
Speaker 3: the Mac came out that didn't have a disk drive.
Speaker 3: And actually I remember that because I had gotten gotten
Speaker 3: a new laptop at some point and like I would
Speaker 3: have to, you know, do like a quick watch of
Speaker 3: my own DVDs before I like approved them from the
Speaker 3: DVD like mastering. You know they give you like make
Speaker 3: sure click on everything, make sure it works, make sure
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like the actual DVD. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: Like they would give me this, like I forgot what
Speaker 3: it was even called. They would give me like a
Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't remember what it was called.
Speaker 3: But they would give me this like Masters something or other.
Speaker 3: But I would have to physically go and pick up from.
Speaker 2: The DVD version of a galley whatever that is, Like
Speaker 2: it's a galley, so whatever the DVD galley.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, like where you're not it's like creative change
Speaker 3: exactly exactly. I would have to do that and then
Speaker 3: like I remember, I got a new laptop and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh no, like so I would have to like use
Speaker 3: my old laptop to like.
Speaker 1: Do you watch porn?
Speaker 3: Do I watch porn?
Speaker 2: Like to get off, like to get not just to like,
Speaker 2: oh what's everybody doing kind of thing or like I
Speaker 2: got to see what my industry's put it out, but
Speaker 2: like to get horny.
Speaker 1: Like rarely, okay, rarely.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's hard for me to look at it and
Speaker 3: not be like, oh I should do that next time.
Speaker 1: I WoT Up Special. Yeah, I can't watch.
Speaker 2: Stand Up Special because I'll keep thinking of notes and
Speaker 2: I'll keep thinking out.
Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, no, no, no, so I imagine with porn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes total sense.
Speaker 3: I don't you know. I we came from the I
Speaker 3: don't how old. I'm thirty five, okay, yeah, I'm forty two.
Speaker 3: So that like porn was very very not like uh
Speaker 3: marketed to women or just accessible. Really, you know, there
Speaker 3: was when I was eighteen nineteen, you know, like any
Speaker 3: porn that I saw was because like I was at
Speaker 3: a guy's house or something, you know, and they had
Speaker 3: the porn and I'd be like into it. But I
Speaker 3: think because I didn't I think if if like maybe
Speaker 3: back in the day. I because I've talked to other
Speaker 3: girls in the industry about this too, like the younger generation,
Speaker 3: they actually like some of their first masturbation experiences were
Speaker 3: to porn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Mine was Gone Wild commercial. I was gonna say, porn
Speaker 3: I saw was girls Gone Wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was like, fuck would you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just.
Speaker 2: The commercial because I was like, ooh, scandalous.
Speaker 3: I remember walking into I lived in a house with
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of guys, and I remember like walking
Speaker 3: into uh somebody's room. I came home from class and
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, guys, what you do where everyone,
Speaker 3: do you want to get something to eat? And like
Speaker 3: everyone it was in one the one guy's room, you know,
Speaker 3: the one guy that like was like a baller and
Speaker 3: he had a bigger bedroom than everybody else. He paid
Speaker 3: like slightly more rent, you know that guy, and he
Speaker 3: had a DVD player and a collection. Yeah yeah, So
Speaker 3: and I opened the door and everyone in the house
Speaker 3: was like watching a copy of Girls Gone Wilds.
Speaker 1: Were they just jerking off?
Speaker 3: They were heart or did you not you know, no
Speaker 3: that it was just yeah, they were just watching it,
Speaker 3: I mean together together, all together, right, And I remember
Speaker 3: I watched it for like a few minutes, probably like
Speaker 3: one minute, and I was like, I don't like this
Speaker 3: because it was very like I'm like, this feels like
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of guys grabbing girls.
Speaker 1: There's looking bad.
Speaker 2: When I first saw this commercial accurate, I was very
Speaker 2: years later it is fucked up.
Speaker 1: No, I look back and I'm like, later.
Speaker 3: And actually that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1: They're coerse or they were just so.
Speaker 3: Drunk that, you know whatever. I didn't know they were
Speaker 3: going on video.
Speaker 2: You know, lifting your top on camera seems like a
Speaker 2: good idea in the night time right, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it probably did not sign any waivers.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think anything. I mean I think
Speaker 3: that was why I stopped being distributed here, that's right.
Speaker 3: I don't want to stay I don't want to say facts,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to speak for exactly, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that was an issue. You can't film drunk
Speaker 3: people naked, well, even.
Speaker 2: If they did sign off, if they're drunk, that's that's
Speaker 2: not like a binding contract.
Speaker 3: That right, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, when they're drunk like it's
Speaker 3: but anyway, were all the business. But I do remember
Speaker 3: seeing that and I was like, I don't know how
Speaker 3: I feel about this. This is like weird, you know,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I do remember like like seeing like like
Speaker 3: my uncle had like like issues of like Penthouse, you know,
Speaker 3: like when I would like stay there, I would just
Speaker 3: like look at them really masturbating. I was kind of like,
Speaker 3: were you masturbated to them? Are you just looking at
Speaker 3: I was like looking at them, and then I would
Speaker 3: think I would like think about them later. Okay, So
Speaker 3: I definitely was always a horny person, but it's like
Speaker 3: growing up in the era we did like I wasn't
Speaker 3: like sure what to do about it. Now, this was
Speaker 3: like way before people talked about masturbating. Even in college,
Speaker 3: like she and my friends, you know, like we didn't
Speaker 3: really talk about that stuff. Like it was like we
Speaker 3: didn't it was hard to really like get information, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on your own.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And I didn't like talk to my parents
Speaker 3: about sex or anything like that. You know, you kind
Speaker 3: of just had to like get figure out what to
Speaker 3: do when you could do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what was the view in your household about
Speaker 2: sex if it was there in just no conversation about
Speaker 2: it or okay.
Speaker 3: Well so my mom is Israeli. You know, she didn't
Speaker 3: she didn't speak like she spoke like broken English, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so she was kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't like don't have sex. It was
Speaker 3: just more like let's just avoid the.
Speaker 1: Topic going to talk about Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like, uh, you know, I definitely talked
Speaker 3: to I think that there's a difference between like Judaism
Speaker 3: and like you know, Christianity or Catholicism like that. You know,
Speaker 3: they grow up like scared, you know, of sex sin
Speaker 3: or like yeah it's a sin, but that also makes
Speaker 3: them like more excited about it too, I think, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean all the girls that went to Catholic school,
Speaker 3: they were like, you know, they seem to know everything
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, so yeah, it was just more of
Speaker 3: like a thing that just wasn't talked about. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm the oldest in the family, and so my parents
Speaker 3: were still like on the you know, trial around with me.
Speaker 3: You know, they didn't have like I think by the
Speaker 3: time my youngest sister were born, and sometimes we will
Speaker 3: talk about it like they have, they had more of
Speaker 3: a plan. But when she was born. Also, my mom
Speaker 3: had just moved to America when when I was born,
Speaker 3: you know, so she's figuring out the country and the language.
Speaker 3: My dad was at work all the time, you know,
Speaker 3: the very boomer dream. He just bought a house like
Speaker 3: trying to make you know what I mean. So so
Speaker 3: it's almost just like teaching me about sex was just
Speaker 3: like not on anybody's like list of priorities.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: All I knew was of course my mom was you know,
Speaker 3: like save it for marriage.
Speaker 2: That was her you know, right, What would you say
Speaker 2: was your most potent sex education?
Speaker 1: Just getting on that d.
Speaker 3: What was my most potent sex education?
Speaker 2: Because like I think of the times I've had sex.
Speaker 2: The first couple of times, I'm like, know what the
Speaker 2: funk I was doing?
Speaker 1: And I can't. Yeah. Usually, like I had a.
Speaker 2: Boyfriend that knew what he was doing and would tell
Speaker 2: me how to do it, and I'm like, oh, and
Speaker 2: I would say that would be my sec my personal education.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first the first time I really
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I want to like have sex watching
Speaker 3: Molly Groom videos.
Speaker 2: Got that idea.
Speaker 1: They were hot.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were so hot.
Speaker 1: They sexualized themselves in a way, and MTV was.
Speaker 3: Very slutty back then. Yeah, it was awesome, you know,
Speaker 3: and I would I actually remember, Wow, it's funny talking
Speaker 3: about going way back.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I had a babysitter sometimes and she would always like
Speaker 3: put on MTV. It's funny. Also, she was dating a
Speaker 3: guy in a hair metal band and sometimes she would
Speaker 3: take me to drive past his house.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I learned at a young age that guys
Speaker 3: in bands were bad news. What did she do when
Speaker 3: there was a girl you know, I had to wait
Speaker 3: in the car.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, what drama you got to win?
Speaker 3: I know, right, it's very exciting. And I was like, hmmm, als, weird.
Speaker 3: But I remember seeing a Motley Crue music video. It
Speaker 3: was like one of those music videos of like the
Speaker 3: live shows. I think it was. Yeah, it was Home
Speaker 3: Sweet Home actually, and I remember there was a girl
Speaker 3: in the crowd, you know, that lifted her shirt up.
Speaker 3: You know, she was on somebody's like shoulders, and she
Speaker 3: lifted her shirt up, and then you know, there was
Speaker 3: like the you know whatever, the blurs on her boobs,
Speaker 3: and I just remember asking. I was like, why why
Speaker 3: is that girl? Why is that girl like showing the
Speaker 3: guy in the band her boobs?
Speaker 6: Like I.
Speaker 3: Clueless. Younger people know everything, now do you know everything?
Speaker 3: They would know why, they would know how to get backstage,
Speaker 3: They know how to slide into someone's see.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I was like, why is she doing that? And my
Speaker 3: baby's there's like because she wants to have sex with him?
Speaker 3: And I was like, straight, that is a good idea.
Speaker 3: I want to have sex with men on stage that
Speaker 3: look like women. That's what you call it. My pre
Speaker 3: villain story, Like that was a really good idea. I'm
Speaker 3: going to do that and I grow.
Speaker 1: Up few men.
Speaker 3: I don't know how, but I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I was inspired, did you have to thank this babysitter.
Speaker 3: I should have. Yeah, I never, you know, we lost
Speaker 3: touch after I didn't need a babysitnterer and I don't
Speaker 3: know where she is right now. I hope that. I
Speaker 3: hope that everything was.
Speaker 2: Men in the eighties were really good at sexualizing themselves
Speaker 2: and I'm like, where did that go?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that everyone went out of style. Then like grunge
Speaker 3: came into styles, so it almost became cool to be
Speaker 3: like ugly and like sad, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: even though they weren't ugly, even though it was like
Speaker 3: the hottest guy ever, but like purposefully was like trying
Speaker 3: not to be hot and talking about being sad instead
Speaker 3: of talking about you know, sitting in a hot tub
Speaker 3: with twelve group views.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: And it's a different, different era, you know, and things
Speaker 3: just kind of went in a different direction.
Speaker 2: I guess when did you discovery you wanted to fuck
Speaker 2: for a living.
Speaker 3: That way? Later?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because, like I always do, I think it's so funny,
Speaker 2: like porn stars, musicians and comedians all get along very well, yes, famously,
Speaker 2: but it's so it's so interesting to be in the
Speaker 2: presence of like a famous musician and have them go,
Speaker 2: I can't believe you do stand up that's so vulnerable,
Speaker 2: and then the stand up is like, I can't believe
Speaker 2: you whatever. To me, singing is so vulnerable, But what's
Speaker 2: more vulnerable than that is.
Speaker 1: Fucking like in front of the thing. So it's so
Speaker 1: funny vulnerable.
Speaker 3: To me, it seems so like, I mean, I've been
Speaker 3: doing it for so long and it just I.
Speaker 2: Mean, like to get that comfortable fucking I'm like, that
Speaker 2: sounds fun weird you would say that. Yeah, really, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, to me, I'm like, you know, what
Speaker 2: feels vulnerable to you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I I mean, it doesn't. It never felt
Speaker 3: vulnerable like fucking on camera, you know, I guess ever
Speaker 3: since the first time I did it, like it felt freeing.
Speaker 3: You know, I think I actually coming to think of
Speaker 3: it now, like I think I felt vulnerable fucking off camera,
Speaker 3: but not on camera, because it's like off camera, you've
Speaker 3: got to think of all these things. Oh does this
Speaker 3: person like me? You know, should I do this? Should
Speaker 3: I do this?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Like, Oh, I don't know, because I don't because men
Speaker 3: make women secure. I don't know because in general, you know, like.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting take.
Speaker 2: Though, just to be like it is, be like I'm
Speaker 2: not it's easy to fuck on camera because it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if this guy likes me, I'm gonna get my check.
Speaker 1: I will say.
Speaker 3: All that, you know, all that goes out the window,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: oh you feel I've always looked it's different for everyone,
Speaker 3: and I know I don't think porn is for everyone,
Speaker 3: but ever since the first time I was naked on camera,
Speaker 3: I felt very confident, very beautiful, very like like not
Speaker 3: scared and insecure anymore. And I felt like that was
Speaker 3: kind of how I always felt when I, you know,
Speaker 3: when I had sex before porn, just like because like
Speaker 3: I said, I didn't come into it within a lot
Speaker 3: of knowledge, you know. It's almost like I was always
Speaker 3: learning something from the person I was having sex with,
Speaker 3: but I didn't really want to tell, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, Well, I had sex with
Speaker 2: a male sex worker one time, and it was the
Speaker 2: most freeing experience I've Yeah, this is weird. And I
Speaker 2: always thought, I'm like, if they made a male sex
Speaker 2: doll that wasn't expensive and I could like, you know,
Speaker 2: hide it I mean.
Speaker 1: I would totally fuck it because you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't it really ruins your ability to like have
Speaker 2: an orgasm, to have fun and to be in the
Speaker 2: moment and you're thinking, like what is this person thinking
Speaker 2: of me?
Speaker 1: Like that's just the least torniest thought, right.
Speaker 3: Or sometimes I mean sometimes say, you know, you're drunk
Speaker 3: and you just met the person, or I don't know,
Speaker 3: or like there's so many different situations, you know, where
Speaker 3: two people wind up having sex, you know, or you're
Speaker 3: like dating someone and the and the fire is gone,
Speaker 3: or I don't know, you know, I think there were
Speaker 3: just so many like questions and complicated things, and you know,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it just wasn't you know that good? But
Speaker 3: like just fucking on camera, it's like, do you have
Speaker 3: two people there to just have awesome sex? Like that's
Speaker 3: what you have to do.
Speaker 1: You know, you're on a mission. Yeah, there's one clear goal.
Speaker 3: There's one clear goal. You're both there for the same reason.
Speaker 2: Was like on board, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got your
Speaker 2: comrades there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the goal of the day, to
Speaker 3: have hot sex. Everybody's there for that reason.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Do you remember your first scene? Oh yeah, what was
Speaker 1: your first scene.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean my uh my porn career was you know,
Speaker 3: different than a lot of other people's because I had
Speaker 3: my own company, you know, so my first scene was
Speaker 3: also was like for my own company, and it was
Speaker 3: actually the guy in the scene. It was also his
Speaker 3: first scene too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well we always you know, we'll call each
Speaker 3: other like porn you know, brother and sister kind of
Speaker 3: did you hang out fo Yeah, this is like so
Speaker 3: long ago. Yeah, I mean this was like I remember
Speaker 3: Bernie Angel when it first launched, it was just photos
Speaker 3: and then which is so crazy to think that when
Speaker 3: I had a couple naked pictures on the internet, like
Speaker 3: everybody was like, oh my god, so scarny porn, you know,
Speaker 3: which is so crazy that like like now that's so normal,
Speaker 3: Like who doesn't have naked photos? And you know, like
Speaker 3: it's just like the most Yeah, so you know, then
Speaker 3: a few years later, it was like, oh, we should
Speaker 3: make our first DVD, and then I was like looking
Speaker 3: for the right guy to be in the DVD. It's
Speaker 3: so it's so ridiculous that this is how it happened.
Speaker 3: Like I just didn't know anything about the porn industry,
Speaker 3: like at all. I didn't know there was like this
Speaker 3: whole industry on the other side of it. Because I
Speaker 3: was in New York at the time. I didn't know
Speaker 3: there was a whole industry on the other side of
Speaker 3: the country where there's just like a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: people doing this every single day. And anyway, I was like,
Speaker 3: who's the guy going to be? And he was he
Speaker 3: was a friend of a friend. I wound up. I
Speaker 3: actually wound up filming a few things that we never
Speaker 3: used because they were just like guys I was hooking
Speaker 3: up with and they were like drunk and and couldn't
Speaker 3: really do it, or like I think I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's film us having sex, and then like they'd be
Speaker 3: like yeah, sure, And then they'd show up and they
Speaker 3: see there's like a camera guy there and stuff, and
Speaker 3: like wait, I thought this was just like.
Speaker 1: Something like a personal film.
Speaker 3: Just for us, you know, And I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I like, I don't think they realized how serious I was,
Speaker 3: Like this is ridiculous. I mean, this is like so
Speaker 3: long ago, and it's crazy to think of how little
Speaker 3: I knew and how to actually make a movie. But yeah,
Speaker 3: but then, yeah, I wound up meeting of someone who
Speaker 3: was a friend of a friend and he wasn't some
Speaker 3: guy I was having sex with him. He was like
Speaker 3: serious about it, and so I think we were both like,
Speaker 3: let's do something awesome.
Speaker 1: That's so fun. Yeah, and we did.
Speaker 2: As you got into porn and doing scenes, was your
Speaker 2: so you have your professional sex life and your personal
Speaker 2: sex life. Were those just kind of riding parallel to
Speaker 2: each other or did you the personal sex have to pause?
Speaker 3: Like right, I will say so that you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, I've been in the industry for like twenty years,
Speaker 3: so there were multiple stages. But I guess once I
Speaker 3: was like really like once my career was like really
Speaker 3: just you know, go in full steam. I was more
Speaker 3: excited about like on camera sex, so I think all
Speaker 3: most of my sexual energy went there and I didn't
Speaker 3: wasn't like all that sexually experienced, you know, like I
Speaker 3: had had sex with a handful of people, but nothing
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you found your groove on camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really learning.
Speaker 1: Yeah a legend.
Speaker 2: Like so obviously at the porn you do like you
Speaker 2: could tell you're having fun, and I think for women, women.
Speaker 1: Need to know women can tell a liar from eighty
Speaker 1: miles away if a woman is faking an orgasm, I feel.
Speaker 2: So it's like whenever I talk to my female friends
Speaker 2: about porn, the main thing that they look for is
Speaker 2: if the woman's having the best time ever and they
Speaker 2: and then the conversation always steers to mostly that's lesbian
Speaker 2: imporant lesbianmporn.
Speaker 3: That's not always true, but I don't know they that
Speaker 3: the viewers think whatever they want, you know. Like it's
Speaker 3: so funny because a lot of times viewers will take
Speaker 3: away something from porn that's like very different than when
Speaker 3: everybody else said or what you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: and like nobody I think now, especially with all the
Speaker 3: podcast and everything, everybody wants to see like what's behind
Speaker 3: the curtain and they want, you know, and like sometimes
Speaker 3: it's like you know what, like you don't you don't
Speaker 3: need whatever you got away from the scene, that's all
Speaker 3: that matters, you know, Like if you you don't need
Speaker 3: to know. Have you ever triedactly what was going on?
Speaker 2: Tried something that you were nervous to try that you
Speaker 2: were like fuck this SUO go wrong? So I mean,
Speaker 2: like anal just seems like I've been to the r
Speaker 2: for anal like I really yeah, Like it's so delicate,
Speaker 2: but like you really have to just bleeding, just bleeding.
Speaker 3: Okay, you must have torn something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but like stuff, I.
Speaker 1: Was being drive. Yeah, I was gonna say it was
Speaker 1: like did I break something?
Speaker 3: Like time?
Speaker 2: Just does it? I had health insurance, so I was like,
Speaker 2: let me just go just to make sure.
Speaker 3: And I literally you are.
Speaker 1: It's so luxurious.
Speaker 2: I wonder if, like in Canada, everyone's just like always
Speaker 2: going to the er like a many time, like their
Speaker 2: asses bleeding. You're like, no, I'm just going to go
Speaker 2: famously in Canada the eer Weights for like ten hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're just.
Speaker 3: Like because everyone's going right, but like I just you know,
Speaker 3: why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never had like.
Speaker 2: An oopsie's Oh is that our liquid death?
Speaker 3: Liquid death delivery?
Speaker 2: Well like the butt like the.
Speaker 1: Butt I do like Santa, I know right, look at
Speaker 1: that is that liquid death?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Moms, no, it is a hot day outside.
Speaker 1: It is so hot?
Speaker 3: Are they called.
Speaker 4: Ish?
Speaker 1: They were?
Speaker 3: They were.
Speaker 1: The most metal waters.
Speaker 3: It's there, it's gone.
Speaker 1: You guys want Oh yeah, Mike, can we have two? Mike,
Speaker 1: we gotta really get this branding that.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much there's a thank you, there's always
Speaker 2: time for a liquid down. But like you know, when
Speaker 2: we film comedy sketches, you know, shit can go wry.
Speaker 2: You forget your costume or something falls or whatever. And
Speaker 2: I imagine with sex, like you know, it's two people
Speaker 2: and they're bought, and if you get too into it,
Speaker 2: like I've gotten too into sex privately, and I'm like
Speaker 2: I almost like broke or like you know, went down
Speaker 2: on it when.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Yeah, anything you can imagine
Speaker 3: happening is you know, it's most likely happened yeah, on
Speaker 3: important set. But yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's just it's so interesting to think, like, you know,
Speaker 2: when your industry is to film sex, like yo, shit
Speaker 2: could go wrong, like any job, it can always forget.
Speaker 3: I mean. Also, I think a lot of people don't realize.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's definitely many differences with you know, the
Speaker 3: budget and the size of the crews and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But like making a porn, you are making a movie.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the similar mishaps that could go wrong in
Speaker 3: a movie can go wrong you know in a porn
Speaker 3: you know, like like a set breaking.
Speaker 1: Or you know, or you just don't feel like you
Speaker 1: wanted to.
Speaker 3: Record something and the audio wasn't on and then you
Speaker 3: have to record it again and you know, like footage
Speaker 3: being lost. But everything is very different now because now,
Speaker 3: you know, I was very much in porn where every
Speaker 3: single person who almost almost everyone who did porn was
Speaker 3: like on set part of this, you know, the studio,
Speaker 3: you know whatever. Now like like with only fans and
Speaker 3: all these platforms and stuff, you know, the porn industry
Speaker 3: is very different. Like I feel like most of the
Speaker 3: porn taking place now is like on a cell phone
Speaker 3: and in a hotel room or a bedroom for that matter,
Speaker 3: you know. So like, yeah, so it's just very different now.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean that the studio stuff isn't also
Speaker 3: going on, but I feel like, like I love it.
Speaker 2: It's very different, like because when I've watched porn DVDs
Speaker 2: before and you're like, oh, yeah, it is nice to
Speaker 2: just have a nice build up and they come over.
Speaker 2: Usually on the porn sites, for me personally, I'll just
Speaker 2: fast forward to her just get railed, and then I'll
Speaker 2: come and I'm like, wait, there is a beauty to
Speaker 2: like watching a movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I really like I spent a lot
Speaker 3: of my career directing all these giant productions, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's very funny because now my career is like
Speaker 3: turning on my cell phone and you know, and and
Speaker 3: putting it on a tripod and you know, and having
Speaker 3: sex in a hotel room or a bedroom. You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's very different. It's a very different thing. And
Speaker 3: I'm glad I got to experience all that, you know,
Speaker 3: because I think there was some some very special times,
Speaker 3: you know, and I got to really like experience porn
Speaker 3: in this in this crazy like big way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're there for the explosion of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get to see like all the different all
Speaker 3: the different kinds of it. But it is really wonderful
Speaker 3: now to be able to just simplify it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice when you don't need a whole crew there,
Speaker 1: you can just do it yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you really have to be part of
Speaker 3: this thing going on, you know, like you have to
Speaker 3: be part of this uh community or industry, you know.
Speaker 3: Like now, like the porn industry is is just so
Speaker 3: big and so broad and and it's I don't even know,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like it's like creators and.
Speaker 2: Rights like comedians and like YouTubers, right, how okay? So
Speaker 2: like sometimes we'll be on the road at a comedy club
Speaker 2: and they'll be like a YouTuber that has millions of
Speaker 2: followers and they sold out a show on a Sunday night,
Speaker 2: for example. But then they it's not stand up but
Speaker 2: just kind of talk, and so they're figuring out, oh wait,
Speaker 2: what do I do on stage? How does how do
Speaker 2: I transfer the YouTube audience to a live Like it.
Speaker 3: Happened with podcasters too, like like people would have a
Speaker 3: podcast that blew up and then suddenly they're they're like
Speaker 3: doing stand up, you know, right, the stand up kind
Speaker 3: of feels like a live podcast. I feel like I
Speaker 3: saw that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Anyway, there's all different kinds of or somebody just did
Speaker 3: funny bits on TikTok and now they're doing you know, so.
Speaker 1: It's find themselves on stage, Like, but y'all wind up in.
Speaker 3: The same place. Yeah, Like essentially you're trying to make
Speaker 3: people laugh, you know. Just like I feel like there's
Speaker 3: some gatekeeping now, And it's kind of funny because I've
Speaker 3: I've experienced both, and I really love this era of
Speaker 3: the industry. I like that I'm meeting so many new people.
Speaker 3: I like that I get to meet up with like
Speaker 3: Instagram like models and stuff who would have never been
Speaker 3: on a porn set. And I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people in the industry they get mad about that nutter
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, these people like they hated porn
Speaker 3: and now they're like cashing it on and OnlyFans. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it's good for you general, Like
Speaker 2: I is a lot more socially acceptable, like or accepted
Speaker 2: now I feel like to do sex work. Like finally,
Speaker 2: people are like saying like this is sex work in
Speaker 2: a way that they weren't previously.
Speaker 1: So I think that's cool and they're there.
Speaker 3: Are I think that you guys exist in a pretty
Speaker 3: sex positive world.
Speaker 1: No, I mean there's a bit of a regression now.
Speaker 3: I think as it's gotten more mainstream, there's just as
Speaker 3: much new interesting hate as there is, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I think people also are like mad because
Speaker 2: like now it's like, oh, your girlfriend might be doing it,
Speaker 2: you know, it's fine when someone else's girlfriend is doing it.
Speaker 1: Kind of an attitude about that. I can see that.
Speaker 2: Well, what the gatekeep be I mean like, so I
Speaker 2: think also something that happens more obviously because we have
Speaker 2: this podcast, is we will get a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: emails about like I'm thinking of starting sex work, so
Speaker 2: but we really really can't speak to that or give
Speaker 2: people advice. So like, how do you know if you're
Speaker 2: kind of built for sex work or not?
Speaker 1: Because you said earlier like.
Speaker 3: Ports obviously, I think if you have to ask, you're
Speaker 3: probably not built for Yeah, because anyone I know that
Speaker 3: has like launched and made it like they just know
Speaker 3: they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: You know, there was no doubt for sure.
Speaker 3: It's like they're looking for validation, you know, like they
Speaker 3: want to hear like yes, you're pretty enough.
Speaker 1: You're strong, and every yeah you're that.
Speaker 3: And look, there's so many different kinds of sex work,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like now it's so easy to
Speaker 3: get into sex work. I mean, if somebody's asking about it,
Speaker 3: it's like, why didn't you just make an OnlyFans page
Speaker 3: and see what happens? And then why didn't you just
Speaker 3: take your damn top of the period, And it's just
Speaker 3: it's like, you don't nobody has to get you in
Speaker 3: the industry. You're like, you know what I mean it's
Speaker 3: like just sitting around and thinking about it, like why
Speaker 3: didn't why didn't you already do it?
Speaker 2: You know, like right, And there was there was a
Speaker 2: period where a lot of like women were emailing us
Speaker 2: about the sugar Daddy stuff.
Speaker 1: But then when only fans came out, all those sugar Daddy.
Speaker 2: Questions went away, and they're like, oh, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to do this right because this field, this makes more
Speaker 2: sense to navigate, Like at this I kind of have
Speaker 2: an idea of how I would want to go about
Speaker 2: it because the only fans are your own boss, sugar Daddy,
Speaker 2: you got a boss who's.
Speaker 1: Got to talk to this guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, yeah, I mean there's a nothing if
Speaker 3: something was that easy, you know. I mean obviously a
Speaker 3: rich guy wants to give his money to someone because
Speaker 3: but he's going to want something in return, and you know,
Speaker 3: they don't just deposit money in your baking over. You know, like,
Speaker 3: do you really want to be on call all the
Speaker 3: time to make somebody feel good?
Speaker 4: Especially?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of you know, a man for that man,
Speaker 3: and there's you know, there's a limit to that. But look,
Speaker 3: some people are really good at it. I've had you know,
Speaker 3: sugar baby friends and they're just like so good at it,
Speaker 3: and then the things they say and the things they do,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I couldn't. I could not. I am
Speaker 3: like not nice enough. I'm not yeah, I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not patient enough. I mean right now, I'm probably
Speaker 3: too old to be a sugar baby anyway. But but
Speaker 3: like I see the things they do, I'm like, you
Speaker 3: have way more patience than me, Like yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I like yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm also curious about like jealousy, Like do you
Speaker 2: experience jealousy in relationship or in like more so like
Speaker 2: your life now like after like kind of experiencing this
Speaker 2: revolution with the porn industry, like as you are in
Speaker 2: it and stuff like do you get jealous?
Speaker 1: Do you get like.
Speaker 3: Jealous like like relationships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like with your husband or with like because Dan
Speaker 2: Savage talks about this word compersion that I really love,
Speaker 2: and it's like the opposite of sexual jealousy. It's like
Speaker 2: being happy that your partner is fucking somebody else if
Speaker 2: that's your arrangement and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I'm just.
Speaker 2: Curious, like how I'm always I always like to hear
Speaker 2: how people handle it.
Speaker 1: If that's even something that pops up for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think everybody wants this like magic answer.
Speaker 3: You know, it's very complicated to explain to somebody who
Speaker 3: maybe it's not complicated to explain. It's like really hard
Speaker 3: to to translate the feeling you know, when you're in
Speaker 3: like when when sex is your job?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: Okay? So I don't know why the world can't wrap
Speaker 3: their brain around it. Let's it's everybody knows that two
Speaker 3: people who are in a relationship on a TV show,
Speaker 3: you know, Ross and Rachel or Jim and Pam. You know,
Speaker 3: for example, on the Office Jim and Pam, not only
Speaker 3: do they go to work and kiss each other. I
Speaker 3: mean granteddo's not like really like hardcore sex you know,
Speaker 3: in the office, but there are other TV shows where
Speaker 3: it's like much more intimate. But you know, they had
Speaker 3: to fall in love, you know, they had to have
Speaker 3: like tension between each other. They had children together, and
Speaker 3: they had the entire world just like waiting for them.
Speaker 3: They had a wedding, you know, and like and even
Speaker 3: like later on relationship issues that they had to solve
Speaker 3: and everybody's rooting for them, and like everyone in the
Speaker 3: world World knew that, like, you know, both of them
Speaker 3: went home to people who weren't each other, you know,
Speaker 3: and even though maybe that was you know, a little
Speaker 3: heartbreaking to know sometimes Jim and Fan weren't really together,
Speaker 3: but but you know, we all got it, and nobody
Speaker 3: sat there and like antagonized Jim on the internet, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 3: how do you if she was on another TV show?
Speaker 3: How do you let your your like do this? How
Speaker 3: do you people don't sit there and like with the
Speaker 3: two of them and be like, how do you guys
Speaker 3: do it? Like how do you guys have this? And
Speaker 3: And to me, I think that's like like I would
Speaker 3: think that if I was, you know, Jim or Pam's
Speaker 3: partner at home, I'd sit there and think every once
Speaker 3: in a while, like, you know, like I'm a little
Speaker 3: uncomfortable about this, Not that I would tell them to
Speaker 3: stop doing it, but that is like I think something
Speaker 3: that's like like a very like like they're falling in
Speaker 3: love with each other and they're good, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: In an element intimate.
Speaker 3: It is super intimate. And I'm not saying they're doing
Speaker 3: anything wrong, but like just doesn't seem like the world
Speaker 3: is so like like can wrap their brain around that
Speaker 3: that that is normal and that's accepted and that's okay,
Speaker 3: and these are both people doing their jobs right, But
Speaker 3: when it comes to poorn, no one can seem to
Speaker 3: say it that way, you know what I mean, the
Speaker 3: world just doesn't see it that way. And I get it.
Speaker 3: There is a difference between you know, uh act, you know,
Speaker 3: holding your hand and having a you know, but it's
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: Kind of comes from the say, like you know, because
Speaker 2: I mean on movies, people are always like leaving you know,
Speaker 2: husbands and wives for each other, Like yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: probably more frequently than they're spending must hours together on set.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Like it's like it's like, how can you not understand?
Speaker 3: You know, were there times when I got jealous? I
Speaker 3: don't really know if jealousy is the right word. There
Speaker 3: were definitely times I got angry, you know.
Speaker 1: Or disrespected or something. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah that usually you know, look was my husband got
Speaker 3: you know a bigger and bigger you know name and
Speaker 3: porn Like yeah, there were women who actively tried you know,
Speaker 3: and and that was a tough situation for me because
Speaker 3: there was nothing I could I could really say, you know,
Speaker 3: like in the regular world, you could be like get
Speaker 3: off my man, you know, but I wasn't gonna do that.
Speaker 3: I was a porn director, Like I wasn't gonna start
Speaker 3: fights with talent. And also like if that girl like
Speaker 3: went to set that day and felt like they had
Speaker 3: a really emotional connection, like that's gonna make the scene better,
Speaker 3: and like she should continue to feel that way.
Speaker 4: It's very wealth.
Speaker 3: That would get a little bit complicated sometimes. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think with any relationship, jealousy really stems from when
Speaker 3: your relationship's not good. You know, like if your relationship
Speaker 3: is not good, you're gonna be scared or mad or
Speaker 3: upset when your partner is doing anything with anyone else
Speaker 3: because there's like a void there that they could they
Speaker 3: could fill. Or if you don't have like a strong foundation,
Speaker 3: like if you've been dating someone for years and they
Speaker 3: just don't want to like move in with you, or
Speaker 3: they don't want to you know, they don't want to
Speaker 3: take it to the next level where you feel like
Speaker 3: they have one foot in and one foot out, like
Speaker 3: you're going to be What can make you work through
Speaker 3: those things is having this foundation together. It's like okay,
Speaker 3: well maybe he you know, was definitely looking at this
Speaker 3: girl a little too much. But we have this home together,
Speaker 3: or we have this or we have these plans together,
Speaker 3: you know, so I think what would get us through
Speaker 3: any of these like uncomfortable moments which did come up,
Speaker 3: not all the time, you know, I'd have to say, like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's much less frequently than you know, everyone
Speaker 3: was every once in a while, and when they would
Speaker 3: come up, it was like what would just get me
Speaker 3: out of the you know, the the anxiety that I
Speaker 3: would experience was just you know, being reminded of the
Speaker 3: foundation that we shared together. And I think that's the
Speaker 3: same for any relationship. And I don't It's like I
Speaker 3: feel like anytime a girl is jealous, like it's for
Speaker 3: a reason. And I feel like men teach women like
Speaker 3: that means you're crazy, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 3: almost every time a girl like had this like crazy feeling,
Speaker 3: like they're usually right and whether that means the guy
Speaker 3: was being wrong or the girls you know, Like sometimes
Speaker 3: I would get these uncomfortable feelings and like, you know,
Speaker 3: even my husband would be like, what are you talking about? No,
Speaker 3: Like that girl like she doesn't want anything, she just
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like, you know, and then it
Speaker 3: would turn out like like three weeks later it's like
Speaker 3: she's like, you know, so, so do you enjoy it?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like anytime i'd have hid yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's okay whatever, Like yeah. I don't like the
Speaker 3: word jealousy because like it makes like women think like
Speaker 3: like there's a button they can turn off, you know,
Speaker 3: like sometimes those feelings are real and you should pay
Speaker 3: attention to them, or if you're having those feelings all
Speaker 3: the time, like that's a toxic relationship and you guys
Speaker 3: shouldn't be together.
Speaker 2: And I think about like stories we hear a lot
Speaker 2: about like oh, my male partner is jealous and a
Speaker 2: lot of times that's like you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: times can be abuse of controlling. Yeah really, and you
Speaker 2: know it's a it's so interesting. I think society looks
Speaker 2: at jealousy on a man's part differently than the way
Speaker 2: it looks like jealousy in a woman's part. And like
Speaker 2: Krinn has pointed out, a lot of times, like with
Speaker 2: emails or some people asking for advice, they're telling us
Speaker 2: the situation and then really, what's happening? And I didn't
Speaker 2: see it at first was the guy was pitting the
Speaker 2: women against each other and just sitting back, going nice
Speaker 2: and right.
Speaker 3: And they're excited, like these women siding over, you know,
Speaker 3: like they know what they're what they're doing, you know,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. Yeah, And I think as you
Speaker 3: get older and you just learn what you're okay with
Speaker 3: and what you're not okay with, you know, in relationship comfortable, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're more comfortable with yourself and you just you know,
Speaker 3: you learn to communicate better. And I think I think
Speaker 3: jealousy happens a lot when somebody agrees to terms in
Speaker 3: a relationship that they're just not okay with, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever those terms are, Like you know, in your heart,
Speaker 3: you know what you're okay with and you're not with,
Speaker 3: you know. Like like I've known women who are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you know, dating or rock star or something, and
Speaker 3: they're like, I'm totally fine with you not being home
Speaker 3: for eight months at a time. I'm totally I think
Speaker 3: it's awesome, like I'm you know, and then like they
Speaker 3: know deep down inside the yeah, and then they start
Speaker 3: agreeing to things that they know they're not okay with,
Speaker 3: you know. And then like I think, as you get older,
Speaker 3: you just learn like what what you can agree to
Speaker 3: and what you can't agree to, and what kind of
Speaker 3: relationship you want and what kind you know you don't want.
Speaker 3: And there was a period of time where I really
Speaker 3: thought because I identified with that community and I liked
Speaker 3: what they said and sounding good on paper, like I
Speaker 3: was like I am Polly or I am like a swinger,
Speaker 3: i am this. And then like I started to realize, like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not, like I'm not okay with any of that.
Speaker 3: And I'm okay with with you know, with work, you know,
Speaker 3: but like when you're a swinger, you know, you have
Speaker 3: other relationships that are not bringing in money to the household.
Speaker 3: You're just having another relationship because you want another relationship.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not okay with that, you know. More
Speaker 3: power to them. But yeah, it's like I like to
Speaker 3: you know, and would would that be different if I
Speaker 3: wasn't in the industry, you know, Like I have had
Speaker 3: the privilege and the pleasure of like being able to
Speaker 3: fuck so many people while having a husband, and it's
Speaker 3: all okay if that if that wasn't the case, would
Speaker 3: you know, but I think it would be more like,
Speaker 3: you know, I like experiencing those things like with the partner.
Speaker 3: But a therapist did tell me that's still a monogamy,
Speaker 3: because I was like, I remember trying to explore this
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, I'm I like having like
Speaker 3: threesomes and like I like going to sex parties and
Speaker 3: like whatever, but I want to do that like with
Speaker 3: my partner, you know. And she's like, that's so monogamy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, according to you know, going on a sexual venture
Speaker 2: together with your partners even though.
Speaker 3: There's other people involved.
Speaker 2: Honestly, like I yeah, And that led me to like
Speaker 2: something else I wanted to ask you about with kink
Speaker 2: because like I I turned, I had jealousy issues, which
Speaker 2: for me insecurity I'm not good enough kind of thing,
Speaker 2: but I kind of turned it on its head and
Speaker 2: I was like what if I And I'm like a
Speaker 2: huge cock.
Speaker 1: I love watching like I massur rate to my boyfriend
Speaker 1: having sex with somebody, like the idea of it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's in it.
Speaker 2: With my last partner, we would do it often and
Speaker 2: I loved it and it was so so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It made me and it made me
Speaker 1: so close with him. I'm like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love you so much after we did this really kinky thing.
Speaker 3: Hey guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and uh so people that are interested in
Speaker 2: I think kink is such a beautiful part of sex.
Speaker 2: It helped, It can be like therapeutic in a way.
Speaker 2: And so I'm curious, like, what have you learned about
Speaker 2: kink like do's and don'ts? Maybe for people that are
Speaker 2: interested in it but don't know where to start.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you know, I think you know, you
Speaker 3: just got to listen to yourself, right, But there's so
Speaker 3: many different kinds of kinks, you know, like if you
Speaker 3: if you're talking about like kinks that require like you know,
Speaker 3: equipment like bondage, you need to do that with someone experienced.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I'm, like I said, I'm privileged
Speaker 3: or whatever that I've been able to do that stuff
Speaker 3: with people who are professional. So I felt very safe.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know, I mean a lot of
Speaker 3: like hardcore BDSM, like that's very that's very complicated stuff
Speaker 3: that you can actually like really get physical hurt, you know,
Speaker 3: So that's a whole other thing. And like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've never done that, like even like some so's.
Speaker 1: I'd been very lucky.
Speaker 3: That I've been able to be tied up by people
Speaker 3: who type people up for a living.
Speaker 1: That right, exactly how to do it.
Speaker 3: Not one second was I worried, like you know that.
Speaker 1: I can't get here. Once in a sex club and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know what you're doing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's good, fantastic.
Speaker 2: But even to a lot of couples who consider themselves vanilla,
Speaker 2: like something kinky could be I want you to order,
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me to crawl around the
Speaker 2: floor and high heels like that could be kinky too, Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be the more advanced levels.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean I think people just have to
Speaker 3: find a you know, if you're with a partner you're
Speaker 3: comfortable with and like you just kind of you just
Speaker 3: got to say what's on your mind, you know. But
Speaker 3: or like if you're just like you, you're very like
Speaker 3: into that kink, then you should like go out and
Speaker 3: find people specifically for that kink. Once you're like an
Speaker 3: advanced level kink of kinkness.
Speaker 1: You know, what's your kink? Do you have a cake
Speaker 1: like a certain kink?
Speaker 3: I like, I like having all kinds of sex. You know,
Speaker 3: It's that's hard, that's hard to say, you know, anals
Speaker 3: not like a kink, you know. I mean, i'd have
Speaker 3: to say, of the scenes I've done, I really have.
Speaker 3: I like the i've I always really enjoyed my more
Speaker 3: challenging scenes, you know, Like I think the most fun
Speaker 3: I ever had was like doing gang bangs stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's you know, and I said earlier,
Speaker 3: I'm a marathon runner. The first marathon I ran, I
Speaker 3: was like, it was like this felt like a gang bang,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's just this like energy and this
Speaker 3: like rush, you know, and somewhere in the middle of it,
Speaker 3: you're like, I don't know if I'm gonna make it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do it. And then
Speaker 3: you push through and you're like, I can do it.
Speaker 1: It's solis, You're an athlete.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I guess, I guess sexual athlete. Yeah. And
Speaker 3: when I did do BDSM, somebody told me that, oh,
Speaker 3: you're like a like a like a physical they had
Speaker 3: a name for it. It's like there was no like,
Speaker 3: it's like I wanted to see how far I could go,
Speaker 3: you know, not because I necessarily had like a kink
Speaker 3: for pain. I just got like a for like for
Speaker 3: like taking it to the is that weird?
Speaker 2: No, I think it actually makes it more understand I'm
Speaker 2: no more interested in gang bangs because you described it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And it's like it's like also very good
Speaker 3: for an ADHD person. You're like, I have so much
Speaker 3: to pay attention to write. I can't stop paying attention.
Speaker 3: I have to do this. I have to, like I
Speaker 3: can't let you know. To me, I felt like a
Speaker 3: video game where you're like, I need to keep all
Speaker 3: of these dicks hard at all times, Like if anyone
Speaker 3: starts going down, I have to like I have to
Speaker 3: like pay more attention to get all and I have
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: It was like my goal, yeah, bouncing around.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it was like, it's my goal to make
Speaker 3: sure everybody here feels like the only one in the room.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, wow, that's power.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's pretty exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever orchestrated a gang bang not to film
Speaker 1: like for you?
Speaker 3: You know, I have not, and I know people have,
Speaker 3: And that is like so respectable because it was even
Speaker 3: hard to orchestrate with a bunch of professionals, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's it's a very difficult thing to
Speaker 3: plan and execute. I remember, wow, Like I remember once
Speaker 3: doing this signing at a porn store in Florida, of course,
Speaker 3: and I kept like people kept coming in and like
Speaker 3: going somewhere at this signing, you know, and I was like,
Speaker 3: where are they going? Anyway, I was there for a
Speaker 3: while and talk to the and then looked at the
Speaker 3: website and figured it out. Basically, this store was like
Speaker 3: a meetup for like where fantasies could happen, and people
Speaker 3: would post on this like stores message board like my
Speaker 3: fantasy is this, and there was like I'm not joking.
Speaker 3: I was there on a night with this woman who
Speaker 3: was like in her sixties. It was her fantasy to
Speaker 3: get gang bang and like gods who are like showing up?
Speaker 3: They basically said, they post on there like this is
Speaker 3: what I want, and like I guess they had like
Speaker 3: these booths and like I don't know, rooms where you
Speaker 3: can make it happen.
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 3: That really excited me more than anything else. I was like,
Speaker 3: these people are so horny. They really like went out
Speaker 3: of their way, Like not only was this woman horny,
Speaker 3: like all these random guys like showing up, you know,
Speaker 3: they're just like kind of here like to gangbang this woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah my Saturday night, like is what I want to
Speaker 3: do right now?
Speaker 1: You know, like that's so awesome. That's a bit move man.
Speaker 2: You could have just sat at home masturbating the porn,
Speaker 2: but you didn't. You got out, He got on the
Speaker 2: couch to like make your car's dream come true. Like
Speaker 2: that's so awes sixty's Yeah, she.
Speaker 3: Was in her sixties.
Speaker 1: I was like, wouldn't icon you know, yea for real.
Speaker 3: A hero and all the men who showed up those
Speaker 3: are the real heroes. All different kinds, you know, different kinds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: really very big age gap there. You know, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2: There's something everyone's I think a person is not going
Speaker 2: to be into the thing you're into.
Speaker 3: You just gotta start talking. You just gonna start talking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like life is too short. You don't want
Speaker 3: to be, you know, in your sixties and then be
Speaker 3: like I feel like I wish I did this, I
Speaker 3: wish I did this.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, for sure, have that gang bang.
Speaker 3: Have that gang bang. You can make it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably in.
Speaker 3: Florida, but like you can have in Florida.
Speaker 1: Also probably Florida. Ohio. I feel like.
Speaker 3: There's not not to do. There's not I feel like
Speaker 3: you try to do that in New York and be like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm busy on this weekend. I'm busying, you know,
Speaker 3: like I'm working that night. Like it's gonna be really
Speaker 3: hard to schedule. Like people in New York like a
Speaker 3: lot going on. They have small apartments, you know, it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be That's a good point too. Is there anything that
Speaker 2: you wish, uh becase were wrapping up now? Is there
Speaker 2: anything that you wish people knew about you that they
Speaker 2: that you feel like they don't or they always like
Speaker 2: overlook a certain part of you of who you are.
Speaker 3: That's very sweet.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I put a lot of
Speaker 3: myself out there, you know, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't really know. That's a tough one to say.
Speaker 3: I guess if I really want somebody to know something
Speaker 3: about me, just tell it. Tell it to the world,
Speaker 3: you know. I'm like an open book.
Speaker 1: That's good and you feel understood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do. And I'm really just like I'm
Speaker 3: very fortunate to have my fans, you know, very very
Speaker 3: happy that they've been here with me this long on
Speaker 3: this journey. Yeah, you know it's really awesome and uh
Speaker 3: yeah and it's great.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. So where can we find more of you?
Speaker 1: What would you like to promote?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find more of me on you know,
Speaker 3: Instagram is Joanna Angel Twitter Joyna Angel. They're both verified accounts.
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Speaker 3: Join Angel x and yeah, you could see all my
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Speaker 3: you know, come come find me. I'm there and I'm
Speaker 3: I'm I don't know. People think I guess a thing.
Speaker 3: I want everyone to know, like I'm not retired. You know,
Speaker 3: people like think they see me doing a podcast and
Speaker 3: they're like, are you retired? You know, they see that
Speaker 3: I don't live in l A anymore? Are you retired?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Like everything when I remember when I when I wrote
Speaker 3: my you know, when my first book was published, Like,
Speaker 3: are you retired? It's like nobody. It's like porn stars
Speaker 3: can do other things, like just because I like outdoor activities.
Speaker 1: And are you retired? You're doing something that isn't fucking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is going on?
Speaker 5: Nobody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you must be retired and you must have a
Speaker 3: traumatic story to go along with it, you know. So
Speaker 3: I'm not retired. I still have sex with everyone, you know, men, women,
Speaker 3: people of all genders, people of all ethnicities.
Speaker 1: Very much. Not retired.
Speaker 3: Girl, girl, boy girl, Yeah, I do. I do it
Speaker 3: all you can, you know, you can find it most
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Speaker 2: Fans, beautiful. Thank you so much for doing the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: This is this is really fun and yeah, and my
Speaker 3: next venture in life, I really do want to see
Speaker 3: if I can do comedy, So maybe you guys can
Speaker 3: can help me with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really do.
Speaker 3: I have so much respect for comedians, you know, like
Speaker 3: it's that is a tough thing to do, and it's
Speaker 3: it's so important to laugh. It is so important for
Speaker 3: the world. I think it's so important. It's like gotten
Speaker 3: me through every tough time when somebody makes me laugh.
Speaker 3: It's like it's just it gets me out of any
Speaker 3: bad mood.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's so important to laugh at yourself too. It's vital.
Speaker 3: I trust people when they can't laugh at themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, sure, that's it's a mark of insecurity usually
Speaker 2: totally right.
Speaker 1: So we'll see And what's your new podcast called?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have a podcast and I need you
Speaker 3: guys to rate dicks. Yes, you guys, Yeah you can,
Speaker 3: but well we'll keep it a surprise. So I'm gonna
Speaker 3: send you dicks and you can do like a one
Speaker 3: minute rating. I mean you can really go for as
Speaker 3: long as you want, you know. Yeah, podcast is called
Speaker 3: Just the Tips. You can find it everywhere. That podcast
Speaker 3: and our instagram is Just the Tips exo. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you guys some dicks and see what
Speaker 3: you have to say about it. Do you want to
Speaker 3: see like a really small dick? Do you want to
Speaker 3: see you?
Speaker 1: I want to see you know what? Serious? I would
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Speaker 2: I feel like every dick besides like the length has
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Speaker 1: I would like to see a unique dick.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of different kinds of dicks. Okay,
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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