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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on. This is rad I am the
Speaker 2: excited host of soft Rep Radio and I have a
Speaker 2: very special guest today. But before I introduce to you,
Speaker 2: Dwayne Worrel, I slipped it. But hold on, before I
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Speaker 2: a book here. It's called Androne right here, and it's
Speaker 2: written by Dwayne Warrell, who is the author, director, writer,
Speaker 2: filmmaker living in Hollywood. Dwayne, Welcome to soft Rep Radio.
Speaker 3: It's great to be here, man. I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, Dwayne, I just want to read a
Speaker 2: little bit about your book. First of all, let's read
Speaker 2: a little bit about Dwayne. Okay, let me just tell
Speaker 2: you what they want me to tell you about Dwayne.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go. So Dwayne Worrel is a filmmaker, traveler,
Speaker 2: a novelist, a Caribbean native who resettled in the US
Speaker 2: in the nineties. Dwayne currently resides in LA where he
Speaker 2: works as a film and television writer and producer. His
Speaker 2: writing credits include Marvel's Ironfist, CBS's Fire Country, Amazon Studios,
Speaker 2: The Wall, and the Disney play series National Treasure, among others.
Speaker 2: So that's who we're talking to today. Where you're talking
Speaker 2: to Dwayne. He loves to use his imagination, he likes
Speaker 2: to put it on paper. And I want to hear
Speaker 2: more about how Andron and the Special Operation community come together.
Speaker 2: So welcome, Welcome, Dwayne.
Speaker 3: Thank you man again. I really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 3: It's great to be here, great to talk to you guys.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Andron was something that, you know, a film.
Speaker 3: It started as in my mind, something that I wanted
Speaker 3: to produce on film and have be a movie. I
Speaker 3: love science fiction, I love military stories. So I sort
Speaker 3: of took the tooth and I put them together, and
Speaker 3: I wanted to create this story about a near future
Speaker 3: world where drones aren't just operated in the sky, they're
Speaker 3: operated on the water, underwater, on land, bipedal, quadrupedal, four
Speaker 3: legs to legs, whatever type of service they can provide,
Speaker 3: we create them. So we have all these different types
Speaker 3: of drones. And the story is about a drone pilot
Speaker 3: and drone pilot and andrones are bipedal, built in our image,
Speaker 3: machines about seven to eight feet tall, powerful human like tanks.
Speaker 3: And it's about drone pilot who pilots these machines and
Speaker 3: he discovers something, which is a spoiler, so I won't
Speaker 3: say what he discovers.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, No, there's so many, but he.
Speaker 3: Discovers something and it changes everything about his goals in
Speaker 3: the military, his personal life, everything changes when he discovers this.
Speaker 3: It was just a really interesting story I wanted to tell.
Speaker 3: So in Hollywood, when you're trying to tell certain stories,
Speaker 3: they say, no, we want to do superhero movies. So
Speaker 3: I figured, you know, it's going to be very challenging
Speaker 3: to get it done as a film, so I decided
Speaker 3: to write it as a book. And now it's in
Speaker 3: your hands and hopefully everyone else's hands.
Speaker 2: Very soon exactly, it will be out on bookshelves and
Speaker 2: everywhere that you can check out this book androne once
Speaker 2: it's released, it'll probably be at the airport if you're
Speaker 2: going through Lax or Burbank or Provo Airport here in
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. You can just you never know. These authors,
Speaker 2: they travel and do these junkets and these book shows.
Speaker 2: You just never know if the book you're looking at
Speaker 2: is signed by the author who just sneaks in there
Speaker 2: and says, you know, I'm going to sign this.
Speaker 3: Further might be right behind you as you pick up
Speaker 3: the book at the airport.
Speaker 2: You're just like looking over the shoulder with a cannapringles
Speaker 2: for the flight, like is he picking up my book?
Speaker 2: Please pick up my book? Yes?
Speaker 3: I'll probably make a comment or two like, no, I've
Speaker 3: read that one. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know that's good. I won't give you these spoilers,
Speaker 2: but chapter seven, let me tell you I do like,
Speaker 2: let me tell you about Androl So I'm six foot
Speaker 2: five and I just got down to two hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy six pounds from two ninety three, so I'm a
Speaker 2: big dude. Yeah, is there an Andron for me? You know,
Speaker 2: because I'm reading it and I'm not trying to give
Speaker 2: away any spoilers, bro, but you know, I mean he's
Speaker 2: got sice twelve feet. I can say that, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: we know he's got sized. I got sice fifteen. What
Speaker 2: if Sequille O'Neil needed to get in one?
Speaker 3: What about Ra's true?
Speaker 2: How do we get into this? What's our position?
Speaker 3: And I don't think this is the spoilers. I could
Speaker 3: tell a little bit about this. There are different types
Speaker 3: of Andromes for different things. So the military they named
Speaker 3: the andromes after Great Military war machines because they considered
Speaker 3: the Andron of war machine. So they decided to name
Speaker 3: them after the Spartan series, the SPQRS series, the Apache series,
Speaker 3: the Mongol series, the Zulu series. There's the Kingsmand series
Speaker 3: after the British Empire, and of course there's an Americana,
Speaker 3: which is the most modern Androme. So each of these
Speaker 3: androids are differ sizes and built for different uses. For
Speaker 3: what you described to say about six y five who
Speaker 3: got some Matthew. I think you would like the Mungo series,
Speaker 3: is I would. This is a heavily armored, powerful, strong Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you get it and you uh a egg egg
Speaker 3: shaped sort of circular carpet. You get inside and you
Speaker 3: operate this machine that is maybe in Iraq, maybe in Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: maybe Siria, you don't know where it is. But you're
Speaker 3: out there and you're you're controlling this machine. And I
Speaker 3: think you would enjoy controlling the mules.
Speaker 2: I really would, I really And I love that you're
Speaker 2: keeping So you know, I can't talk about the book,
Speaker 2: but I want to talk about the book, right because
Speaker 2: like you're the author of the book, and I read
Speaker 2: a lot of your book and I want to say
Speaker 2: things that are in the book. But you already said
Speaker 2: the egg. And I was going to say what came first,
Speaker 2: the chicken or the egg, and so you already got
Speaker 2: the egg, right, And then I just like how you
Speaker 2: put the cables on. You know, in my mind, my
Speaker 2: mind really just wanders with your book. So I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of different components and I want to put it out there.
Speaker 2: Like when my dad read the movie or the read
Speaker 2: the book Hunt for October by Tom Clancy back in
Speaker 2: the day. It's about a sub mariner. Yes, and then
Speaker 2: he went and saw it. He was kind of like,
Speaker 2: it's not the same in my head because he has
Speaker 2: all the specs you see, but in the movie maybe
Speaker 2: you couldn't get all the specs right, but you can
Speaker 2: get the gist of the synergy of the book adapted
Speaker 2: to the film. Okay, because it takes a lot for
Speaker 2: a submarine film, I can imagine, you know, it's going
Speaker 2: to be super difficult to be one hundred percent accurate
Speaker 2: on such a futuristic movie. I bet you did your best, though,
Speaker 2: right or for for the book? Excuse me, I did.
Speaker 3: I spoke to my brothers in the military. My brother's
Speaker 3: in the intelligence field, and I can't I don't want
Speaker 3: to talk too much about, you know, what he does,
Speaker 3: but he does work on aircraft and other things like that.
Speaker 3: And I just spoke to a friend, another friend who's
Speaker 3: also in the military. I'm worry about putting names out
Speaker 3: there because I don't know that they they want to
Speaker 3: be associated with the book, you know, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I spoke to.
Speaker 3: Them, and then I did my own independent research, not
Speaker 3: just on drones, but I think when you're writing, you've
Speaker 3: got to get into the characters' heads. And what is
Speaker 3: the mindset of a person who is sitting a million
Speaker 3: miles away and murdering some or killing someone, I should
Speaker 3: say in comparison to And this is one thing that
Speaker 3: that struck me as I was writing the book. And
Speaker 3: I thought a lot about as I was writing the book.
Speaker 3: Is my emotional state different if I'm in the trenches,
Speaker 3: climbing through the mud, scratches the mosquito bites all over
Speaker 3: me and I have a gun aimed at someone, or
Speaker 3: I'm sitting in an air conditioned office and I'm at
Speaker 3: the controls and I have a gun aimed at someone.
Speaker 3: What is the different mind set of a human being
Speaker 3: when they're in those two separate states. And that's sort
Speaker 3: of something that that was in my.
Speaker 2: Mind as I well today you're just saying, you know,
Speaker 2: give them a value packer downloadable content and they'll go
Speaker 2: to war for you, dude. It's like they'll drink their
Speaker 2: big gulp and sit there and play with their thumbs
Speaker 2: and they'll be desensitized to that situation. It's just like,
Speaker 2: and that's it.
Speaker 3: That's the desensitization of it is. It's an istion because
Speaker 3: some people might think, oh, if I'm in the air
Speaker 3: conditioned office, I may not shoot him because you know,
Speaker 3: you know, but there's that desensitized state that they're in
Speaker 3: when they're in the air conditioned cockpit, while if I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there on the trenches, maybe there's a little more
Speaker 3: empathy that I have if I have the scratches and
Speaker 3: the bruises and everything on me with that person. And
Speaker 3: I can't say that, you know, I can't say what
Speaker 3: I would do. I've never been in that situation, but
Speaker 3: it does make me, you know, I did put a
Speaker 3: lot of thought into the differences between those two situations.
Speaker 2: Well, when you look at like World War II trench warfare,
Speaker 2: and it was like Christmas time, and they had like
Speaker 2: a like just like a quiet the almost like we're
Speaker 2: singing hymns to each other across the battlefield of Christmas time,
Speaker 2: you know, celebrating, you know, like you couldn't do that
Speaker 2: in a machine per se. You couldn't have that moment
Speaker 2: of like I don't want to kill you anymore, you
Speaker 2: don't want to kill me anymore, because machines like John
Speaker 2: Connor and Terminator loosely quote, it says they're only as
Speaker 2: good as the people that programmed.
Speaker 3: Them, right, right, right exactly?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, and so have you seen. I
Speaker 2: usually reference this movie called snow Piercer who has a
Speaker 2: Captain America in it, Chris Evans. I thinks his name, yes,
Speaker 2: I guess, And so, not to give away everything, it
Speaker 2: just talks about the human element has to be involved
Speaker 2: for anything to consider moving in this earth, right, It
Speaker 2: can't just be nobody's brain helping like you're talking about.
Speaker 2: These things could go off do it themselves, but it
Speaker 2: takes the human element to be involved in these androns right.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's so integral to the story. And
Speaker 3: when you see the cover you may think, oh, this
Speaker 3: is a Terminator movie where it's AI and the machine
Speaker 3: killing people. You see the machine, but there's a human
Speaker 3: being controlling that machine, and that is the most important
Speaker 3: element to this story. It's so I can't give that
Speaker 3: part away, but maybe I can't let me think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Thing is, it's not given away. It's it's there because
Speaker 2: we know he's there. Okay, that's all.
Speaker 3: Well, he makes an empathetic decision in that machine, and
Speaker 3: the person on the opposite side of that machine does
Speaker 3: not know for a very long time that there's a
Speaker 3: human being inside it. There, right, So there's and this
Speaker 3: happens a little further into the story. But and I'm
Speaker 3: not giving away the twist. The twist is still still hidden.
Speaker 3: But the person out side of that machine does not
Speaker 3: know there's a human being inside. They believe it's Ai.
Speaker 3: They believe it's the machine is autonomous, and over time
Speaker 3: a relationship grows between him inside that machine and the
Speaker 3: person outside of it. And one thing to keep in mind,
Speaker 3: that person that does not speak English, and he cannot speak,
Speaker 3: they cannot communicate. So there is a relationship within this
Speaker 3: story between a human machine and another person, and there
Speaker 3: is no linguistic communication. So there's there's there's more to
Speaker 3: the story a little furthermore.
Speaker 2: I can just see it in my head. It's like
Speaker 2: he's trying to like, can you hear me? Okay, and
Speaker 2: it's like looking at him and like I'm not killing
Speaker 2: you exactly exactly? Yes, Wow, yeah, no, cool. I'd love
Speaker 2: to see it. I know that right now. You know,
Speaker 2: as we talk, there's a strike going on in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: And around the world with the direct Director's Guild of America,
Speaker 2: the Writer's Guild of America, the Screen Actors Guild, the
Speaker 2: Theatrical After is involved with that all the unions, and
Speaker 2: I have stepped up for equal pay. I'd like to
Speaker 2: maybe touch base with that with you a little bit
Speaker 2: and just say, hey, you know, ask someone who's SAG
Speaker 2: eligible and worked in you know, different projects. Myself, I
Speaker 2: understand what that union and what the health insurance does
Speaker 2: for those who are making the minimum to be in
Speaker 2: the union, right, because you're lucky if you have a
Speaker 2: million dollar roll come your way. You're lucky if you
Speaker 2: have these things there, you have an agent working behind
Speaker 2: the scenes for you. But if you can get into
Speaker 2: a project, as you know, you go out for a
Speaker 2: featured extra role and all of a sudden, like you
Speaker 2: know what, we might just like you for the driver
Speaker 2: who has two dialogue lines, and next thing you know,
Speaker 2: you know, you just got into the sage right, and
Speaker 2: so that and now you're like, oh, I want more
Speaker 2: of this. So there's that person who's at the very
Speaker 2: bottom of the spectrum, right, let's call them me. And
Speaker 2: then you have and then you have the tom Cruisers
Speaker 2: who have put so much equity of their money into
Speaker 2: the funds for these insurances and for these programs. Millions
Speaker 2: of dollars from their their checks go into that versus
Speaker 2: the lower paying actor, because it's all scaled exactly. If
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, say you're wrong, you know.
Speaker 3: You got it, You're on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that there should be fairness across
Speaker 2: the level. You know, you see these Brian Cranston's and
Speaker 2: you see these other you know, noted well off actors
Speaker 2: standing there saying we want equal rights. And I don't
Speaker 2: think other people are understanding who they're trying to fight
Speaker 2: for because they were that. I need a place to
Speaker 2: stay on your couch. I just have an audition in
Speaker 2: the morning. Can I give me a right on the
Speaker 2: way of your work. I won't be any more in
Speaker 2: your way except for tomorrow. I'm gonna sleep on your
Speaker 2: couch again.
Speaker 3: You're exactly exactly right. What some people may not understand
Speaker 3: is that this strip isn't really affecting Tom Cruise at all.
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise will still make twenty five million a movie
Speaker 3: and still get back in afterwards. So it's not about
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise. It's about the people, like you said, who
Speaker 3: are not earning a lot of money. Who For example,
Speaker 3: one thing that studios want to do is they want
Speaker 3: to for background actors who get paid very very little already.
Speaker 3: They want to take basically a three dimensional picture of
Speaker 3: their face and use it forever in the background, so
Speaker 3: you get paid for that one time, and then the
Speaker 3: studios can just use you forever, So it eliminates the
Speaker 3: need for background actors. It eliminates the need for extras though,
Speaker 3: those people who come in and just do one day's work.
Speaker 3: And Brad Pitt used to be an extra. All the
Speaker 3: actors I would say, ah, but many of the actors same.
Speaker 3: I've done that work as well, and not that I'm
Speaker 3: an actor, but I've done it from time to time.
Speaker 3: And it's a good way to earn a paycheck. You
Speaker 3: can get in and it gives you the set experience.
Speaker 3: But it's also a path that mini actors take. Mini
Speaker 3: actors start there and then slowly but surely find the latter.
Speaker 3: So it's green men, they're they're they're very much trying
Speaker 3: to take away everything, not everything, but a lot of
Speaker 3: the healthcare, a lot of the fonts from a lot
Speaker 3: of the lower level actors and writers and that's the
Speaker 3: side that I've been on on the strike and a
Speaker 3: lot of the things they're trying to do with AI
Speaker 3: and having AI write the films is sort of it's
Speaker 3: it's very sad to see and a lot of people
Speaker 3: are are struggling.
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard it about podcasts. You know, we've
Speaker 2: talked about it within our house of soft reap. AI
Speaker 2: is here. We understand, you know, all these chat GPTs,
Speaker 2: all these different mechanisms that are out there. But if
Speaker 2: all you do is start using that, all you're going
Speaker 2: to have is that watching it, and all you're going
Speaker 2: to have is AI watching AI.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think that AI does. They're not there yet.
Speaker 3: AI can't write screenplay the same way that person can
Speaker 3: write screenplay. But what this is maybe a little insight
Speaker 3: into what writers deal with in Hollywood, is studios are
Speaker 3: very very much hands on when it comes to the
Speaker 3: writing of screenplays. A lot of people think a writer
Speaker 3: will write a story and they will make the words
Speaker 3: that they say into a movie. That's usually not how
Speaker 3: it works. Usually a studio will come to a writer
Speaker 3: and say, hey, we want to make a movie about ABC,
Speaker 3: and we want this moment, that moment that moment, that moment.
Speaker 3: So the writer will then go, Okay, you're paying me,
Speaker 3: so I will write this moment the way you want it.
Speaker 3: I will write that moment the way you want it,
Speaker 3: and I will create a story in your image. I
Speaker 3: will create a story in the way you want it
Speaker 3: to be written. And then they will look at the
Speaker 3: screenplay and then give us notes and say, we want
Speaker 3: this change, we want this change, we want this change.
Speaker 3: So the writer in the system is actually, we don't
Speaker 3: have as much power as people think. We are really
Speaker 3: writers for hire. We make the work the way the
Speaker 3: studios want it, especially on the big budget films. If
Speaker 3: you see an indie film, maybe the writer had more
Speaker 3: influence there, But in the big Marvel hop, you know,
Speaker 3: big big films, we have less influence than love.
Speaker 2: Right. So something like a franchise, like a Marvel universe
Speaker 2: that's going to be specifically like we want this, this,
Speaker 2: and this out of it. You're going to write this, this,
Speaker 2: and this. We've already got this talent for these scenes.
Speaker 2: It's all storyboarded and foreseen through their crystal ball at
Speaker 2: the studio exactly whereas like an old indie film like say,
Speaker 2: you know, like Clerks, right, okay, right, probably nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the studio writing in that.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly right, you're exactly right. Yes, the smaller films,
Speaker 3: the indie films, those are we call them spec screenplays.
Speaker 3: And The Wall, which I wrote, that would spec mostly.
Speaker 2: For Amazon, right for Amazon, right, yes.
Speaker 3: But a lot of bigger films we write what they
Speaker 3: want to write, and if we don't write it to
Speaker 3: those specifications, they will fire, not fire, still, let us go,
Speaker 3: and they'll bring in another writer and that writer will
Speaker 3: will do the job. So that's sort of how the
Speaker 3: system works and how we.
Speaker 2: Play it, right, And I guess with the writers guild,
Speaker 2: you know, you guys like an actor, you got the
Speaker 2: gig you're in, you're writing. You know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm actually hey mom, hey, dad, friends, I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: I'm writing for Hollywood, right, Hey, I got into Stephen
Speaker 2: King movie. I'm doing acting. I'm you know, next step,
Speaker 2: next step, And it's like you don't want to like
Speaker 2: lose that, And so they know that we as the talent,
Speaker 2: walk on eggshells, try to be in these projects so
Speaker 2: that I don't want to offend anyone on set. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to bump into the caterer and
Speaker 2: say this sucks because he's going to be the director
Speaker 2: one day.
Speaker 3: You're exactly exactly right. You get in there, you get,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm writing a Marvel movie. Whatever you say,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. And I'm writing a you know, a
Speaker 3: Pixar not usually not Pixar, but maybe a Disney Plus
Speaker 3: film or a Disney Plus show or a CBS show
Speaker 3: or ABC. You just want to you want to make
Speaker 3: the studio happy, you want to make your employ it happy.
Speaker 3: So you do what they tell you and you put
Speaker 3: out the product to their liking. So that's that's that's.
Speaker 2: What That's kind of where this whole situations you know,
Speaker 2: coming about in LA and then the Guild and the strikes,
Speaker 2: is that you know, you have these big conglomerates that
Speaker 2: are able to dictate what they want. Now they're moving
Speaker 2: into more of a reality based programming where they say, oh,
Speaker 2: there's no writer involved. But hey, listen, Dwayne, what I
Speaker 2: want you to do in this scene is I'm not
Speaker 2: telling you what to do, but I want you to
Speaker 2: do what you want to do in the scene. But
Speaker 2: I'd like you to like maybe rub your head in
Speaker 2: the scene. But that's up to you if you do
Speaker 2: it right. And so then Dwayne's like, oh damn, I
Speaker 2: just got some direction from rad to maybe rub my head. Okay,
Speaker 2: so maybe the right around here, And I'm like, okay, cut, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, how's that not writing? You know, how's that
Speaker 2: not giving? So what happens is the actor is in
Speaker 2: this world of non sag project and they have k
Speaker 2: so you feel like it's a sack project, right right.
Speaker 3: Right right? No, And we see that a lot of
Speaker 3: reality too. And I don't I don't know that much
Speaker 3: about reality TV. I've never been involved in real TV,
Speaker 3: but I do know that I do know people. I've
Speaker 3: heard a lot about reality TV and that it is
Speaker 3: almost to a degree scripted too, you know, to get
Speaker 3: that best. But they don't they don't pay. From what
Speaker 3: I've heard, the reality TV stars don't get paid in
Speaker 3: the same way. They don't get residuals at the shows.
Speaker 2: Nope, none, they're out yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean I was I was offered a reality
Speaker 2: show and they wanted like all sorts of perpetuity contracts
Speaker 2: signed and off offshoot camera. I mean, a lawyer on
Speaker 2: my side here watching everything I was doing for me
Speaker 2: on my side. And that's what I have to say,
Speaker 2: is they came with all these papers like hey, Rod,
Speaker 2: just sign this and don't want a ten percent of
Speaker 2: my business for light and perpetuity, and like they just
Speaker 2: want to know how do I tick? What makes me rock?
Speaker 2: And this is a reality network coming at me. They
Speaker 2: pitched it in DC at the Speak Huge event and
Speaker 2: all these different companies were like, yeah, well, and then
Speaker 2: it was all about war games and so at the
Speaker 2: time of twenty twelve, there's a lot of like active
Speaker 2: shootings going on, I see, and it doesn't go well.
Speaker 2: So it was put away, right, So that was then,
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of glad I never went through to
Speaker 2: fruition with that because I'm happy I'm not out there
Speaker 2: splattered on the back of a pack of poker cards exactly.
Speaker 3: And I know what you mean yet, because they will
Speaker 3: market you however they want to market you. They'll put
Speaker 3: you on the side of a bus or on the side,
Speaker 3: like you said, in a pack of cards. So that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not You have no control at that point. And
Speaker 3: the thing about real is my cut exactly exactly. And
Speaker 3: the thing about reality TV is people, even though it
Speaker 3: may not be real. People see it as real. People
Speaker 3: see movies, they know, you know, Chris Evans is not
Speaker 3: Captain America. They know that's a movie. When they see
Speaker 3: reality TV, they do believe that that's who they those
Speaker 3: people really are. And sometimes it's not. Sometimes it is,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a bit of a bit of a
Speaker 3: show based on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess I'm just standing up with all
Speaker 2: of those folks out there that are standing on the line,
Speaker 2: just saying, you know, it's a fight to fight. And
Speaker 2: here in Utah it's different. We're a non union state,
Speaker 2: so the production companies that come here get a certain
Speaker 2: investment in their production. So if you hire seventy five
Speaker 2: percent Utah's you get all these incentives to come film
Speaker 2: in Utah, including all of the locations that are like
Speaker 2: used in every Mars movie, you know, or in like
Speaker 2: what was that with Jen a Forrest Gump when he's running,
Speaker 2: you know, out in the middle of the desert. You know,
Speaker 2: Utah it's beautiful, right, We have all sorts of locations,
Speaker 2: real locations where you don't have to film cgi for
Speaker 2: a Cowboys scene, actually have a long stretch of scenery
Speaker 2: into the sunset right right.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, and you have a lot of great
Speaker 3: festivals as well up there. I've never been to Utah.
Speaker 3: I really like to visit. But you say it's a
Speaker 3: non union state, so a lot of the stuff, you guys, Shoot,
Speaker 3: there's no unions protecting you. Guys.
Speaker 2: No, they come in as a SAG production, but at
Speaker 2: SAG non union, so they come in with SAG guidelines
Speaker 2: and SAG rules. And if you get on a project here,
Speaker 2: you can actually earn your SAG eligibility. So it's a
Speaker 2: lot easier for someone to earn their SAG eligibility here
Speaker 2: than to swim with sharks as a little goldfish in
Speaker 2: that big ocean in La So if you want to
Speaker 2: be kind of a bigger fish in a smaller pond.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, that makes a lot of sense. That
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: See, so I'm always swimming around here. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's Ratti's right over. I see his dorsal fin. We
Speaker 2: know he's here. We can always call him into an audition,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Is there a lot of production in Utah? Is theres
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on? Is it's pretty active
Speaker 3: as far as filming goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. A lot of Disney happens here. So
Speaker 2: I was in the Luck of the Irish in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands for Disney Channels Luck of the Irish,
Speaker 2: and then we did there was like High School Musical
Speaker 2: was filmed here, Double Teamed was filmed here. You know.
Speaker 2: John Carpenter's Mars was filmed here. Those are just like
Speaker 2: from the early two thousands all the way to Costner
Speaker 2: has been filming Yellowstone here, you know, and then I
Speaker 2: think something just he just left his production. Something was
Speaker 2: going on with the production. But they are here the
Speaker 2: whole time for Yellowstone. And then I think the Roughnecks
Speaker 2: for filming, which is another Costner oil rig style thing
Speaker 2: going on. There's a lot of projects going on. I
Speaker 2: just went out for a bunch of this year. I
Speaker 2: got a couple of callbacks, one with Harrison Ford. I
Speaker 2: didn't go further. I was hoping it would have been cool.
Speaker 2: But a callback, you know how, that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a callback. Yeah, it's I do not say why.
Speaker 3: I did not envy the actor in many ways because
Speaker 3: it's it's so hard and I know actors here in
Speaker 3: LA you'll get that callback and you do the auditions
Speaker 3: and you go in and and then sometimes it doesn't,
Speaker 3: you know, come to fruition and it's always like it's
Speaker 3: that constant heartbreak. Sometimes I kind of know who the
Speaker 3: actor is, but I know a lot of coming actors
Speaker 3: who love the craft, and it's it's tough, it is challenging,
Speaker 3: it is challenging.
Speaker 2: Through that, I do love it and I do pursue it.
Speaker 2: And that's that is another reason why I thought we'd
Speaker 2: have a great conversation is because I do like that
Speaker 2: side of acting and being rejected and accepted. It's nothing,
Speaker 2: there's nothing like success, right you get the part. So
Speaker 2: I've been taught there's no small roles, there's just small actors. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I will never say I went out for this
Speaker 2: small role. I just went out for this role as
Speaker 2: the driver. And the director is like, we want you
Speaker 2: as the father, and I was like, deal, that's cool.
Speaker 2: It was one line in the audition. I was like,
Speaker 2: the building's over there, it's one line. But I went
Speaker 2: in there was so much like Okay, Yeah, it's called
Speaker 2: fire Starter by Stephen King and it was made for
Speaker 2: Sci Fi Channel and I play Andy McGhee, which is
Speaker 2: the father to the fire Starter, and so I have
Speaker 2: like kinetic energy powers to make you do what I say,
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of a yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of these popular streaming shows kind
Speaker 2: of steal some thunder from Stephen King's Kids with you know, fire.
Speaker 2: But anyways, yeah, I'm in fire Starter. So that was
Speaker 2: picked up in so I was in the pilot series.
Speaker 2: I was picked up as the reoccurring father. We were excited.
Speaker 2: We were like, okay, We're going to film the whole
Speaker 2: pilot in Utah, and then we wound up going. Nine
Speaker 2: to eleven happened after and that just shut everything down.
Speaker 2: And since there was a lot of explosions because she
Speaker 2: uses fire for her attitude, they were like, we can't,
Speaker 2: we can't put this out. So they even put the
Speaker 2: show back two years before it was released because they
Speaker 2: wanted to let society settle down, because you got to remember,
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven, the number one movie was Zoolander
Speaker 2: in October. So September eleventh happened and everybody was like,
Speaker 2: what just happened to America and the world. And then
Speaker 2: Zoolander was coming into theaters in October, which is kind
Speaker 2: of what everyone needed, and it was like a huge
Speaker 2: hit because everybody laughed and for a moment, we just wanted,
Speaker 2: you know, frozen Frappe Makachinos with a gasoline fight. Right,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say about that, you know, Zoolander, Right,
Speaker 2: that's kind of how society adapts, you know, the again
Speaker 2: control of the theaters, they said, pause everything, only put
Speaker 2: out something happy, a cartoon of Bambi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, that's that's yeah, And that's sad
Speaker 3: that that happened at that time. It was it was
Speaker 3: a difficult full time. I'm sorry because you mentioned nine
Speaker 3: to eleven and I really I just sort of reeled
Speaker 3: back to that time. I was like, where was I
Speaker 3: was like, like, I just sort of went back there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nine to eleven was. It was a horrible,
Speaker 3: horrible time.
Speaker 2: Well, and I never really like to date my episode
Speaker 2: so that it can seem timeless. But we're right around
Speaker 2: revisiting nine to eleven because it's August with me and
Speaker 2: you you know, this yearbook's coming out and this will
Speaker 2: be out in appropriately time, but you know, nine to
Speaker 2: eleven will have either hit us at the same time
Speaker 2: this comes out or right after. And you know, we're
Speaker 2: twenty two years now from that situation. Yeah, and we
Speaker 2: had a long Afghanistan Iraq war with a lot of
Speaker 2: our friends and family. We all know somebody who has
Speaker 2: been involved in the conflict in one way or another.
Speaker 2: Chasing down you know, terrorism, and it's no different than
Speaker 2: than Andron how your guy, you know, Paxton, Right, he's
Speaker 2: the guy it's up. It's his twelve feet, twelve sized feet.
Speaker 2: You know, his shoes. You got to fill that, you
Speaker 2: know the weight of that, and he has to go
Speaker 2: and try to I don't know, let's just say save
Speaker 2: humanity possibly, you know, like there be this greater existential
Speaker 2: threat out there that maybe it is up to you
Speaker 2: listening that has never joined the military, maybe you will
Speaker 2: go join. Maybe you are that guy that will change
Speaker 2: or that gal that will change the situation. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: just never know if you're the one, and if if
Speaker 2: you're on the fence about thinking about joining, you know,
Speaker 2: and I don't really get paid to advertise, you know, recruitment,
Speaker 2: but I tell people, if you're on the fence, you're
Speaker 2: like a six or seven of joining the military, what
Speaker 2: makes it not a ten? You know, if you're like, oh, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 2: I might well just go and try it. See if
Speaker 2: the next step that you walk in takes you to
Speaker 2: the right place. Right, that's it, you're yourself.
Speaker 3: There's somebody advantage.
Speaker 2: Lets people know go try.
Speaker 3: It advantages too. When when I got out of high school,
Speaker 3: I could be because I didn't know what I was
Speaker 3: going to do that I ended up traveling. I ended
Speaker 3: up going overseas. But one of my thought about being
Speaker 3: a police officer, and I thought about joining the military.
Speaker 3: Those are sort of two of the options that were
Speaker 3: sort of laid out in part of me when I
Speaker 3: graduated high school. So yeah, I think, to damn good
Speaker 3: option and one that a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: people we need.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we need you. We need you to keep
Speaker 2: us to be free because we've some of us have
Speaker 2: done that, some of us have thought about doing that.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day. We need people that
Speaker 2: can just you know, stand up to that call. And
Speaker 2: you know, dang, I'm forty five. I'll still help. You know,
Speaker 2: if if it comes to my house, I don't want
Speaker 2: it to come to our shores. Yes, you know, That's
Speaker 2: why I'm a big proponent for keeping it at bay
Speaker 2: where it's at, and you know, putting effort into the
Speaker 2: situation where the war is at and and you know,
Speaker 2: it's already there, so let's fight it there. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I talked to this guy they day. He was kind
Speaker 2: of yeah, and I know that our podcast isn't it's
Speaker 2: not it's totally about your book, Andro, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say it, but you know, with Ukraine going on, we
Speaker 2: can't help but be humans, right, yes. And so I
Speaker 2: was talking to this guy the other day and I
Speaker 2: was just getting my oil change done and and he
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, you know, And I said, if
Speaker 2: we don't help supply the people in Crane, are you
Speaker 2: ready for a supersonic missile to blow up our store
Speaker 2: next door right now while we're sitting here having an
Speaker 2: oil change? Bro? And he looked at me. I said,
Speaker 2: are you ready? Are you really ready with your mentality
Speaker 2: like what you're telling me? Are you ready for a
Speaker 2: supersonic missile, a supersonic missile man to fly in in
Speaker 2: our airspace and blow up that store right there right
Speaker 2: And he looked at me. I said, are you raise
Speaker 2: your daughter? Are you ready to go see your daughter
Speaker 2: if that happens, because that's what's happening over there.
Speaker 3: And the thing about hypersonic missiles is Russia and China
Speaker 3: sort of have an edge in that area over US.
Speaker 3: Like hypersonic missiles isn't something that the US and we
Speaker 3: are now catching up to them a little bit, but
Speaker 3: that's that's a technology that they had the first step
Speaker 3: on and we were sort of playing a little bit
Speaker 3: of catch up in that area.
Speaker 2: And look what they've done to like all of like
Speaker 2: adults and all these regions in the Ukraine that I
Speaker 2: never even no fence, I didn't even know about, and
Speaker 2: now I know about these names and these these areas,
Speaker 2: and you know Crimea and the bridge in Crimea so much,
Speaker 2: we know so much.
Speaker 3: And Ukraine is holding the floods. They're fighting for Europe
Speaker 3: because I feel very strongly that after Russia took Ukraine,
Speaker 3: they were going to take to name of the country
Speaker 3: right west, just directly west of Ukraine is a very
Speaker 3: small country, a small nation state that the name slips
Speaker 3: my mind at this point, but I think Putin wants
Speaker 3: to sort of reclaim at least part of that Soviet
Speaker 3: era right exactly exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I just was thinking West, yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: You know, just in listening to his speeches, he wants
Speaker 3: to reclaim some of that old Soviet glory. And take
Speaker 3: back part of a good chunk of eastern Europe. There
Speaker 3: is no way that's good for the United States. That's no,
Speaker 3: there's no way that's that's good for for us at all.
Speaker 3: So it's it's an important fight to be one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. Otherwise, if he wants to go back to
Speaker 2: Peter the Great, they just give it back to Genghis Khan. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, like how far back you want to go?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what are you crying over? You
Speaker 2: want the empire back? Well, I'm sure Mexico would like
Speaker 2: Utah back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly right.
Speaker 2: What's to stop Mexico from saying, hey, you know Utah California?
Speaker 3: Right? You know, well I think yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: So I understand that.
Speaker 3: If he takes back you know, more Viero he has.
Speaker 3: If he takes Ukraine, for example, Ukraine, Moldova, a few
Speaker 3: other states, he has more oil, more land, more more
Speaker 3: of the sea black Sea. Russia becomes a more powerful country.
Speaker 3: Russia becomes a wealthier country. There's a lot of smaller,
Speaker 3: little details that people don't know. Just let him take it. No,
Speaker 3: you can't allow that to happen. You need to score.
Speaker 3: You cra need to. You can't allow that ideology to
Speaker 3: become more powerful.
Speaker 2: Communism and fascism exactly exactly. You got something to say
Speaker 2: about what I'm saying, comment down below. I don't care.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, you know, because if you like communism, kiss
Speaker 2: my ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: That's it. And I know the internets forever. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: was raised with Red Dawn, so let's not forget that. Okay.
Speaker 2: I was a warsaw you know, child of a Green
Speaker 2: Beret who sat in my dad's office looking at all
Speaker 2: sorts of nineteen eighties, you know, propaganda that the Green
Speaker 2: Berets were training on against Warsaw countries. That was their
Speaker 2: whole theaters of like they were studying. I would study
Speaker 2: all these RPGs and tanks and all these different things.
Speaker 2: Ak's that might these these these flash cards that were
Speaker 2: just in my dad's office. It's like, oh, ak, oh
Speaker 2: RPG seven, Oh RPG seven eight, this you know, oh
Speaker 2: T seventeen. Oh, That's that's how I feel. Man. So
Speaker 2: I'm forty five, right that I'm not. I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm very old really in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 2: So we're the same age, man, We're the same age.
Speaker 3: We're the same age. And this is a war of ideology.
Speaker 3: It's a war of ideology. It's war free thought capitalism
Speaker 3: with all its flaws, but capitalism. And then on the
Speaker 3: other side there's communism and there's control and there's no freedoms,
Speaker 3: and if we want to, we'll just roll into another
Speaker 3: country and take over. And that's that's not that's not right.
Speaker 3: There's countries near to us that we could take over
Speaker 3: if we wanted to, right, we don't. That that's not
Speaker 3: and it's not. Again, I'm not saying the United States
Speaker 3: is perfect. We there, We definitely aren't. We've done many
Speaker 3: things that are wrong, but you know, we're we're not
Speaker 3: rolling into weaker nation states on our borders and physically
Speaker 3: taking over. And I think right, for all the flaws
Speaker 3: of capitalism, for all the flaws of the United States
Speaker 3: and our military, sometimes the fight for Ukraine is one
Speaker 3: of the right things that we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I know that their February twenty second
Speaker 2: or twenty fourth of twenty twenty two is kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, overshadowed, but it's it's a nine to eleven
Speaker 2: type moment where you know, the destruction that has happened
Speaker 2: and occurred over there since the beginning of that attack
Speaker 2: is just it's it's huge, right, they just went after him,
Speaker 2: and you know we need some andrones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get some andros on the battlefield and and
Speaker 3: give them to Ukraine and world be over in a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of like Tom Cruise real quick, have you
Speaker 2: seen his movie Edge of Tomorrow at all?
Speaker 3: I love Edge of Tomorrow. Edge of Tomorrow is one
Speaker 3: of my is it might it might be my favorite
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise movie. I love that movie. I think it's brilliant. Again,
Speaker 3: I'm a huge kind of science fiction. I'm a huge
Speaker 3: of military stories. So there's again a great combination of
Speaker 3: military sci fi. I love that film.
Speaker 2: But sorry, go ahead, No, it's just talks about it.
Speaker 2: It's along the same lines, you know, the and and
Speaker 2: he doesn't realize what's up. He's like, wait, what I'm
Speaker 2: wait now I'm in this machine and he's like, how
Speaker 2: do I even shoot it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No? And that's uh. You bring up such a great film.
Speaker 3: And I think as you read andrew On a little more,
Speaker 3: you'll see a few more similarities in the way the
Speaker 3: stories are told. But yes, I love that film, love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. And I like that Mary Poppins
Speaker 2: is in it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, she did.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: What's most interesting about that? Emily Blunt?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: That one takes place in Europe and it is about
Speaker 3: it is in some ways the Battle for Verdune, and
Speaker 3: you know, all the stuff from world sort of World
Speaker 3: War two a little bit, a little bit of thematic
Speaker 3: elements sort of played into the uh to that that story,
Speaker 3: that narrative.
Speaker 2: But great, you know. And the newest blockbuster out there
Speaker 2: that everybody's been talking about with Barbie okay and Space
Speaker 2: Odyssey two thousand and one. Have you seen those two comparisons,
Speaker 2: Janley Kubrick and Greta Gerwick.
Speaker 3: I haven't, no, no, I have you seen them?
Speaker 2: Have you seen both of them?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Barbie, but I have seen two thousand
Speaker 3: and one.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you go see Barbie, and I advise
Speaker 2: everyone should go see Barbie. It's a good movie. It's funny, Okay,
Speaker 2: I like it. I don't know what everybody's turning around
Speaker 2: the world. It's it's Barbie. Okay. Second, it's supposed to
Speaker 2: be Barbie with Malibu, Barbie and the Jeep and everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd say you should watch it and then
Speaker 2: come back and hit me up in a DM and
Speaker 2: say rad because or or maybe you can google it.
Speaker 2: They've put us side by side of two thousand and
Speaker 2: one Space Odyssey and Barbie side by side. Seemed to
Speaker 2: see to scene, to see the scene of certain elements
Speaker 2: and how they all come to fruition, and how Greta
Speaker 2: pays homage to Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 3: I think I think I know what you're talking about, though.
Speaker 3: I think I've seen that scene from the movie in
Speaker 3: some sort of preview or something. Yeah, I won't ruin it,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no I don't. I don't want to. But yeah,
Speaker 2: So it's funny how you know it's okay. I feel
Speaker 2: like for a movie to kind of parallel or like
Speaker 2: kind of have some of the same thing from another movie,
Speaker 2: it's like yeah, yeah, And then when you watch it
Speaker 2: at my age, I'm like, why does this scene seem
Speaker 2: so emotional to me?
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting though, is that you say there's
Speaker 3: a lot of fooppla, and I just you know, I
Speaker 3: don't go to the theaters as often as I should.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Barbie. I haven't seen Afenheimer. I haven't
Speaker 3: seen the only movie. The last movie I saw was
Speaker 3: Mission Impossible and Dead Reckoning. But it is interesting that
Speaker 3: you say there is this hoopla. I do hear a
Speaker 3: lot of old Barbie is anti man and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You you did see any of that when you watched it.
Speaker 3: That's good, that's good.
Speaker 2: You know what I saw. A man being man is
Speaker 2: what I saw, okay. And if man has a problem
Speaker 2: with the way man is, the man should fix himself.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Okay. So if you read like I said, in a movie,
Speaker 2: you'll have that veteran who's just gonna stare at every
Speaker 2: single ribbon on that dude's chest and make sure that
Speaker 2: it was more proper than the scene. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: you know, you know, uh so it's like you should
Speaker 2: watch the scene and and and get I get it
Speaker 2: that one guy's gonna stare at that and say, oh,
Speaker 2: the ribbon should be over here. Okay, But the whole
Speaker 2: scene is what we're trying to show you here, which
Speaker 2: is you know, whatever that is. I find Barbie to be.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people trying to like
Speaker 2: polarize it, but I don't know what there is to
Speaker 2: polarize because it's Barbie.
Speaker 3: And it's a fun film, right right, And.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, and you see the background, You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's the beach. No One. Yeah, Barbie goes
Speaker 2: to the beach ends at the each We all know
Speaker 2: Barbie Malibu, Barbie Skipper, Barbie ken Ken hangs out with Barbie.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you not grown up? Are we not
Speaker 2: forty five? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that a lot of people try to
Speaker 3: loie things that aren't supposed to be ple in size
Speaker 3: and try to create divides in the country where sometimes
Speaker 3: there doesn't need to be, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's well, we're gollible. That's where we are. We're gollible.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, that guy wrote the song about us,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I wrote the song about me,
Speaker 2: and or you know, we're gollible. You know, that's what
Speaker 2: we are. It's like, hey, here you go. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think this way. That's why I love my show so much,
Speaker 2: because I get the freedom to talk with you and
Speaker 2: have conversations like this. You're a wonderful writer. I've loved
Speaker 2: reading your book. It's very quick chapters, and I've read
Speaker 2: chapters that are long, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's like, how many more's left in this pitch? Okay?
Speaker 2: I got fifteen more pages in this chapter? Now, man
Speaker 2: one two three, I'm like, oh, I got another chapter. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's keep going and then keep going and then keep going,
Speaker 2: and then my imagination starts to take off, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: how am I going to get in this movie? How
Speaker 2: am I going to fit? I'm six ' five. I'm
Speaker 2: like talking to the guy who can make me a suit?
Speaker 2: Kind of like Samuel Jackson talked to George Lucas and said,
Speaker 2: what about a purple light saver? He's like, purple, you
Speaker 2: mean a beard? You need a beard? A beard? A beard.
Speaker 3: I've heard about those conversations. Yeah, no, man, I really
Speaker 3: I really want people to, uh to check out the
Speaker 3: book and and you know what, read it and and
Speaker 3: enjoy the story. And if they take something away from
Speaker 3: it because of what happens to us the end, if
Speaker 3: they take something out of it, then that's that's really good.
Speaker 3: But again, I appreciate you. You you talk to me
Speaker 3: about the book, it's uh, you know, giving me this
Speaker 3: platform to sort of put the book out there.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that well, that's exactly what we are.
Speaker 2: And as you notice at the beginning of the show,
Speaker 2: I mentioned our soft rep dot com forward slash book
Speaker 2: hyphen club. Let me just plug that, agib. But it's
Speaker 2: a thing. It's a book club. And as much as
Speaker 2: we're scrolling all the time and constantly, you know, digitally
Speaker 2: staring at something and blue light reading a book, there's
Speaker 2: nothing like. Honestly, I swear to god, there's nothing like
Speaker 2: a page. Okay. I have looked at these kindles and
Speaker 2: these other iPads. It's just not the same. I know.
Speaker 2: They try to have reading style and make it look
Speaker 2: like paper. They want it to look like this, but
Speaker 2: there's nothing like, Oh, let me doggy ear my page,
Speaker 2: or let me flip back real quick.
Speaker 3: One thing I want to say about that is like
Speaker 3: people are looking for good content, or good stories, or
Speaker 3: good movies or good shows. A lot of times, if
Speaker 3: you want to find it, it's in a book. There's
Speaker 3: so many stories that are told on the page that
Speaker 3: you're looking. I would love to find a great science
Speaker 3: fiction television show. There aren't many out there. The ones
Speaker 3: that are out there, most of them are kind of cheese.
Speaker 3: The great science fiction stories you're looking for or in
Speaker 3: a book. If you're looking for a great military show
Speaker 3: that is in there on television or in the arm film,
Speaker 3: it's probably on the books in a book. So but
Speaker 3: there's far more variety of far more niches within the
Speaker 3: book community than there are on film and television. So definitely,
Speaker 3: like you said, forward slash Book and I forgot the
Speaker 3: uh page with plug it again.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, softwarep dot com Ford slash Book, High Food
Speaker 2: Club and yeah, you never know, we might even have
Speaker 2: Dwayne's book in our book club. You know. I love
Speaker 2: to just put it out there. If there's an option
Speaker 2: for us to have your book in rotation, the more
Speaker 2: the merrier, you know, it's a book club. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's your book. I want to touch base on another
Speaker 2: movie that has Rambo. Right, did you ever see any
Speaker 2: of the Rambos?
Speaker 3: I've seen the first one, but interestingly enough, it's been
Speaker 3: so long it's so bigue in my mind now I
Speaker 3: haven't I didn't rewatch it. I watched it back in
Speaker 3: the early nineties and are in mid nineties.
Speaker 2: And camera, well, they say that that first book, the
Speaker 2: first movie is good to the book, like him walking
Speaker 2: through the town like that kind of like plays off
Speaker 2: on it. It's the second one that he wrote where
Speaker 2: there's some of that the veteran c flaws right right,
Speaker 2: But in the first one it's more like, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: just like a vet. He's got his hands in his
Speaker 2: field jacket. He's just walking through town with his knapsack,
Speaker 2: and then he just gets chased all over you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, you can't. That's they put that together.
Speaker 2: But then the second one is like, Okay, he's got
Speaker 2: to go into a pow camp. Now he's got to
Speaker 2: have helicopters blown out him and he's got to blow
Speaker 2: up the helicopter. He's got to save the POW's but
Speaker 2: not kill them, but shoot an RPG at while they're
Speaker 2: behind him in the helicopter. It's like all these different
Speaker 2: little things like this real quick.
Speaker 3: And it's related. It may not sound related, but it
Speaker 3: is related. Sometimes I watch I read articles or I
Speaker 3: watch podcasts and our critics on Rotten Tomatoes and they
Speaker 3: will talk about the writers and the writing and it's
Speaker 3: not about me specifically, but it's about other writers films
Speaker 3: and they're like, the writing was bad, And I know
Speaker 3: for a fact that that scene was not the writer's
Speaker 3: fault that that scene was a studio executive saying this
Speaker 3: movie is too slow. We need an explosion, and so
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna put in the middle of the script,
Speaker 3: We're gonna shove in a helicopter chase sequence with an explosion.
Speaker 3: And sometimes you can't blame the writer. Sometimes you can't
Speaker 3: blame the writer. But as the writer, I got to
Speaker 3: stand up for my other writers and say some of that.
Speaker 3: A lot of that stuff you see in movies, it's
Speaker 3: not on us, man, it's it's an executive saying we
Speaker 3: need an explosion or we need a car chase, and
Speaker 3: we need something that isn't true to what the writer
Speaker 3: wanted to put in the script. So that second film,
Speaker 3: I don't know who who was responsible. Maybe he was
Speaker 3: in the writing of it. Yeah, those things that weren't
Speaker 3: accurate to the to the to what the writer, to
Speaker 3: what the book had. Oh yeah, may have been a
Speaker 3: little bit of aization of that.
Speaker 2: And there has to because Hollywood. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to take you out of your commuter daily
Speaker 2: seatbelt life where you go office to office. Yeah, sitting
Speaker 2: in traffic, and now you can eat some popcorn I
Speaker 2: love that about Tom Cruise. He loves popcorn and I
Speaker 2: love popcorn in a movie fan, and we get to
Speaker 2: sit there and be taken away.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the last Mission Impossible movie, Dead Reckoning.
Speaker 3: It was I thought it was one of the best,
Speaker 3: if not the best, of the Mission Impossible movies. And
Speaker 3: it didn't do well. It didn't do that well. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: only made about one fifty or one sixty domestic off
Speaker 3: of the budget of two hundred million plus, so it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: But that was a really good film. And sometimes yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the days of DVDs have gone away, you know,
Speaker 2: like having that resis vigual, like Okay, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have one launch and that's gonna be box Office the
Speaker 2: theatrical one fifty, and then we're going to relaunch the
Speaker 2: DVDs and that's going to probably bring in the other
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred. But now they're not doing that
Speaker 2: that DVD life.
Speaker 3: There's so much competition of it. I mean, these massive
Speaker 3: studios are competing with thirteen year olds doing TikTok online,
Speaker 3: so they have to compete for time with all these
Speaker 3: different platforms from video games to YouTube and TikTok, and
Speaker 3: you really it's a lot more challenging to make money
Speaker 3: strictly on films nowadays, So the film industry has to evolve,
Speaker 3: it has to adapt and has to climb a different way.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm always going to chase my oscar. I'm always
Speaker 2: gonna give my auditions the best I can give, And
Speaker 2: when I'm on set, i's gonna be that plumber that
Speaker 2: comes in and has all the tools and just leaves
Speaker 2: your receipt and says I'm out.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm actually now curious as to what you're doing next,
Speaker 3: what you're working on, and I'd love to hear more
Speaker 3: even after we get off on the stuff you're doing.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm on the film side always. I just am
Speaker 2: staying focused. I just you want to know what I do.
Speaker 2: I pursue what I love. That's what life's about, and
Speaker 2: I make that what it's about.
Speaker 3: Well, that you have one life. You know that you
Speaker 3: have one life, You have a certain amount of years
Speaker 3: and you've got to do it. If you don't do it,
Speaker 3: that's that's sort of it. You know, unless you believe
Speaker 3: you're incarnations and you do have another chance.
Speaker 2: But maybe an animal, maybe I'll be an orca. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind being an orca, do it. That'd be cool,
Speaker 2: that'd be cool.
Speaker 3: They are very intelligent. Now you get the intelligence, you
Speaker 3: get the underwater life.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm a mammal.
Speaker 3: Mammal, You're still a mammal. You're still in that mammal faith.
Speaker 2: That's right, warm blooded, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But no, man, it's like, yeah, it's you got
Speaker 3: to do what you love, and whether that's film, whether
Speaker 3: it's you know, military and again my love with military films.
Speaker 3: There was this period during the early two thousands, I
Speaker 3: would say, mid to late two thousands where military films
Speaker 3: were the thing and there were a lot of them,
Speaker 3: and they aren't as many anymore, and I it's stopped, man,
Speaker 3: it's stopped. I've written another, I've written another one, and
Speaker 3: you know, trying to find someone to make it. And
Speaker 3: it's it's really challenging. A lot of films want to
Speaker 3: be you.
Speaker 2: I watched like the last war movie I saw was
Speaker 2: like nineteen eighteen. That was a good one World War two,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 3: One shot, like they were trying to do the entire
Speaker 3: thing in one shot. I really enjoyed that film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh you know what else? Was good. Dead Presidents.
Speaker 2: You ever see Dead Presidents.
Speaker 3: The old film from like the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, like cleon you better get it head, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: That's another classic. That's another classic. Yes, well you went
Speaker 3: back to that one.
Speaker 2: I love the firefight scenes bro in that like that
Speaker 2: the whole the sound of the grease gun that the
Speaker 2: lieutenant had, the sound of all their firearms everything going
Speaker 2: off in there. That was really like you know that
Speaker 2: ambush scene and everything when they're fighting.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's another another great film. That film. Those
Speaker 3: type of films are very rarely made anymore, unfortunately in
Speaker 3: this era. But I believe that after this strike, things
Speaker 3: in LA things in Hollywood are going to change. I
Speaker 3: really do, I really really do.
Speaker 2: Well. I stand with all of you out there, all
Speaker 2: my fellow actors, writers, directors, everybody out there that's fighting
Speaker 2: the good fight against you know, n Goliath out there.
Speaker 2: You know it takes a village, all right, I'll just
Speaker 2: say that. So I just want to let me wind
Speaker 2: this down. I've stolen you for an hour of your time,
Speaker 2: and that's I love that. I don't want to ever
Speaker 2: abuse our life interacting with one another. So Dwayne World,
Speaker 2: he wrote Andron, it's going to be out in all
Speaker 2: of the bookstores. Go support your local mama pops who
Speaker 2: will be carrying this. Check the local airport and see
Speaker 2: if there's a sign one. Just buy it, bye, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just buy it. Hit him up on Instagram say hey
Speaker 2: about your book. Check it out. He might share you
Speaker 2: in a story.
Speaker 3: Oh I will. I definitely will look for in Throw
Speaker 3: when it comes out September first Amazon, on Amazon or
Speaker 3: any online bookstore, you will find it. And yeah, give
Speaker 3: me a shout out and I will shot you out too. Instagram, Twitter.
Speaker 3: You can find me at Dwayne warrel on in Twitter
Speaker 3: and Instagram or at my website Dwayne warrel dot com.
Speaker 2: Perfect well, Dwayne, that was a great way to close
Speaker 2: out this segment. And I your host rad have had
Speaker 2: a pleasure of interviewing you, talking to you, getting to
Speaker 2: know you. And I want to say thanks to my
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Speaker 2: So with that said, on behalf of my guest Dwayne,
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