Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast still doesn't know if the
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday era was real.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Westley podcast Studio, It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Dan Hansis. I come to you from a
Speaker 2: room filled with heroes. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. The flagship
Speaker 2: program Week five Ooga, I shall do love football? Were
Speaker 2: you better?
Speaker 3: Because it's, you know, on these Sundays with these London games,
Speaker 3: it's it's about twelve hours of football in a row.
Speaker 3: And I made a huge mistake because I got up,
Speaker 3: you know, like a professional. I got up at six
Speaker 3: twenty five a Rosea bro Right started watching that game
Speaker 3: of six thirty had a massive like jug of coffee
Speaker 3: came in. I've been hanging out with Greg since you know,
Speaker 3: eight thirty nine, and I had six more cups of
Speaker 3: coffee today.
Speaker 2: I really don't drick more than one in a day.
Speaker 2: How much is in the jug? The first one was
Speaker 2: a large mug. Oh that's like two two and a half.
Speaker 2: I'd say, honestly, you've had eight and a half. I
Speaker 2: lost count. Realized at some point it's largely on a boredom.
Speaker 4: A little bit.
Speaker 5: Will let our listeners decide if it's a performance enhancing
Speaker 5: drug or not. Well it we'll be evaluating your performance closely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shaking, Yeah, I'm all right.
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep an eye on you, Mark and uh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna keep an eye out in Denver to make
Speaker 2: sure there's not so many tiers that it leads to
Speaker 2: flooding in that great state of Colorado. Oh wow, you know,
Speaker 2: private tiers for Kevin James and company. But we'll get
Speaker 2: to that later. Big day of football. Let's start where
Speaker 2: we are heading in forty eight hours. Ooh to London.
Speaker 1: Well, second down and eight from the thirty five yard line.
Speaker 4: Of the Bills.
Speaker 6: The Bills are out of timeouts, they got none left,
Speaker 6: eight and a half cuffs and running again.
Speaker 4: With em Peo parts out of there.
Speaker 2: Twenty five twenty fifteen touchdown tims.
Speaker 4: He did put a nail in this thing. He didn't score.
Speaker 4: How good? Is that? Very good? If you are a
Speaker 4: Jaguars fan.
Speaker 2: I like that Travis Heaton team again who rushed for
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty six yards and two touchdowns in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, and the Jaguars take out the Bills
Speaker 2: twenty five to twenty at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium in the
Speaker 2: second of three London games this month. We like I said,
Speaker 2: we'll be at the Hot Toddy next Sunday for Titans Ravens.
Speaker 2: But for right now, let's talk about an upset Gregie.
Speaker 2: Let's start here and and the obvious note, we doomed
Speaker 2: the Bills with the triple lock. They played like a
Speaker 2: jet lag team that flew to Europe fueled by a
Speaker 2: rational ATM confidence in one.
Speaker 4: Hit us three in a row. Give it to us.
Speaker 2: What that's for, Greg, I'll do And the one more
Speaker 2: ye lose we heard from a lot of Jacks fans.
Speaker 5: I just want to say thanks to you guys for
Speaker 5: following me on that lock. If I'm going to lose
Speaker 5: by first lock of the year, this is the way
Speaker 5: I like.
Speaker 2: The way your brain works, like we were following you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said it, I said it first, and then
Speaker 5: then you guys jumped down as if as if greg
Speaker 5: But you know what, as I said, I was okay
Speaker 5: with losing this because that would take I'm Murcury Morse
Speaker 5: popping the champagne bottles.
Speaker 2: Because Gregie just took it out.
Speaker 4: Oh uh, that's not the way I look at it.
Speaker 5: But look, I should have known you go against teams
Speaker 5: when it comes to the locks, and I wasn't really
Speaker 5: buying what the Jaguars had done this season to this point.
Speaker 5: But this performance on both sides of the ball was
Speaker 5: so complete and so special. But Trevor Lawrence was the
Speaker 5: one that was ultimately special. We could have if we
Speaker 5: wanted to run the highlight of the key play of
Speaker 5: the game that was earlier in that drive, the game
Speaker 5: winning drive, when it's third and four and Travis Trevor
Speaker 5: Lawrence checks to a play. It was confirmed by Calvin
Speaker 5: Ridley afterwards it was going to be a running play.
Speaker 5: He saw that Calvin Ridley has single coverage on the outside,
Speaker 5: I believe it was with the safety, and he says,
Speaker 5: I'm taking that. I'm gonna go hook up the guy
Speaker 5: that we signed for all this money, traded for all
Speaker 5: all these picks and go to him on the outside.
Speaker 5: And it beat an aggressive Sean McDermott who had to
Speaker 5: start sending extra rushers late in the game because of injuries.
Speaker 5: It was a perfect throw, it was a perfect catch,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if they really had that outside
Speaker 5: receiver a year ago at this time that can win
Speaker 5: that specific play in a beautiful play and that's a
Speaker 5: game winning play.
Speaker 3: I mean, what we saw from Calvin Ridley in the opener,
Speaker 3: I thought, if we're gonna get this every week from him,
Speaker 3: this offense is totally transformed. And it's been like quiet
Speaker 3: since then to some degree. Today when they were up
Speaker 3: eleven nothing and dominating Buffalo, who.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I feel like, I don't. You can't
Speaker 2: just tag a team with jet lag, but like they
Speaker 2: seemed like Stefan Diggs called Josh Allen's sleepyhead after he
Speaker 2: that wasn't joking because now as we know, the the
Speaker 2: Gags were there for two weeks and the Bills I
Speaker 2: think got there like forty eight hours before the game.
Speaker 4: That makes a huge difference.
Speaker 2: I think it's a factor.
Speaker 3: And it's like I think all these teams are learning,
Speaker 3: like how to deal with the London thing, and it
Speaker 3: was a massive advantage, and like the Bills, I think,
Speaker 3: on top of it, came out complaining about the field.
Speaker 2: I mean outside of the result.
Speaker 3: To lose Matt Milano, who is a core centerpiece of
Speaker 3: your defense and he's out for the year, day Kwon
Speaker 3: Jones a pff darling, they lost him.
Speaker 2: Von Miller didn't finish the game. He's like Leonard Floyd
Speaker 2: got banged up at Oliver Tron Johnson, Dion Dawkins, like
Speaker 2: they really like this is one of those games where
Speaker 2: it's like you lost and you were averaging forty points
Speaker 2: a game. Everything went wrong.
Speaker 4: Like what I liked.
Speaker 3: About the Bills the last couple of weeks was the
Speaker 3: balance where they were running the ball so well and
Speaker 3: they had fifteen yards from the running backs. That just
Speaker 3: sort of everything went wrong and even they still had
Speaker 3: a chance to.
Speaker 5: But I give it the Jacks credit for that, Like
Speaker 5: their run defense has been outstanding. That was the worst
Speaker 5: Bills rushing game since twenty fourteen, the entire McDermot era.
Speaker 5: That was where and they came into this game running
Speaker 5: the ball great.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you highlighted that pass to Ridley which
Speaker 2: they hit with what was it, about three h nine
Speaker 2: to go in the fourth quarter. That way, you're fine too,
Speaker 2: And it was a perfect throw with pressure and Ridley
Speaker 2: making the big play.
Speaker 4: That's why they brought him in here.
Speaker 2: And I think the throw is also kind of emblematic
Speaker 2: of in general Trevor Lawrence and I know like PFF,
Speaker 2: for instance, had him as the number two QB.
Speaker 4: I believe it was. Yeah, to this point, he had
Speaker 4: been playing well.
Speaker 2: It just the team hadn't really been playing well, and
Speaker 2: that was a throw that in the box score maybe
Speaker 2: just looks like a twenty five yard pass or whatever.
Speaker 2: But that's like, that is what Trevor Lawrence is capable of.
Speaker 2: I think this guy has huge moments in his career
Speaker 2: ahead of him, and big games in January, and we're
Speaker 2: just starting to scratch a surface. So it's like, as
Speaker 2: flat as the Jaguars have felt, this game was the
Speaker 2: one that was like, Okay, you picked up the one
Speaker 2: win last week in London, that was fine, you win
Speaker 2: this game. It's like you're you're kind of his service
Speaker 2: as a reminder they should be taken seriously in an AFC.
Speaker 2: That again, GREGI, he feels just so wide open right
Speaker 2: now where we stand that why can't the Jags get
Speaker 2: hot and figure some things out and with Lawrence at
Speaker 2: the controls, be a team that can get out of there.
Speaker 5: I always try to I think September is relatively irrelevant.
Speaker 4: That's a terrible quote.
Speaker 2: They do count.
Speaker 5: I mean the games count the same, but you want
Speaker 5: to be rounding into for him right now. The Jaguars
Speaker 5: feel better than they have all season, Like there are
Speaker 5: certain things that have been frustrating Lawrence going through his
Speaker 5: progressions too quickly and taking the checkdown. Today they were
Speaker 5: throwing deeper down the field throughout, like plus ten throws
Speaker 5: from the very beginning, so it wasn't just the checkdowns today.
Speaker 4: I thought that was better.
Speaker 5: Like, Okay, our offensive line might not be great, but
Speaker 5: let's let Trevor Lawrence do what he does best, which
Speaker 5: is avoid sacks, which he did today so many times.
Speaker 5: And I do think McDermott's changed too. They are in
Speaker 5: Buffalo a little bit because of the injuries and because
Speaker 5: he's different than Leslie Frazier and sending lots of pressure,
Speaker 5: and for the most part, the pressure got there and
Speaker 5: Lawrence just made miss And I think he's gonna have
Speaker 5: to start thinking about changing who he is in terms
Speaker 5: of what he tells ken Dorsey to do on fourth downs,
Speaker 5: because there were twice in this game early where they
Speaker 5: had a fourth and one and a fourth and three
Speaker 5: they didn't go for either one.
Speaker 4: And I don't know with these injuries, and I know
Speaker 4: one of them was on their side.
Speaker 5: Of the field, and so it's hard to ask but
Speaker 5: this is such a good offense, I feel like he
Speaker 5: should do it.
Speaker 2: The Milano injury that you're referred to already, that is
Speaker 2: that's just rough for them to quote damn check. He's
Speaker 2: the jenga piece of their defense. And if this is it,
Speaker 2: if you know the way he was carted off, and
Speaker 2: I don't know what the reporting out there is right now,
Speaker 2: but if he had like what NFL Network described with
Speaker 2: Rich Eisen on the call, that he had the air
Speaker 2: cast on it as they took him out of the field,
Speaker 2: that's never a sign.
Speaker 4: He has been diagnosed with a fractured legs.
Speaker 2: Brutal brutal loss. So that is a huge challenge now
Speaker 2: for Sean McDermott because I think this defense we were
Speaker 2: talking about going into this game. This seat was his
Speaker 2: rounding up as the most well rounded Bills a team
Speaker 2: in some time, and now it's like, are.
Speaker 4: They going to be the best? I don't think they'll be.
Speaker 2: They can't be as good if you take your Davis
Speaker 2: White out of this mix, and now you take Matt
Speaker 2: Mulatto out.
Speaker 4: Of the mix. That's two major pieces of what they're
Speaker 4: trying to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is trying to find
Speaker 3: the team that can survive injuries or stay relatively healthy.
Speaker 4: And I know we say that.
Speaker 3: I feel like Greg, we've talked about this like every
Speaker 3: sunny He's like, are there just more injuries than normal
Speaker 3: this year? And it's like, probably statistically not, but it's
Speaker 3: like the Bills were ravaged today, totally taken up. I
Speaker 3: think aj Panessa had a great game in with a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys out stuff like that.
Speaker 2: They ran out of gas. Well yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 2: just as bad. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I will say one thing, like, I know
Speaker 3: we're kind of been hot and cold on Travis Eutn.
Speaker 2: I thought you looked.
Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty four yards from screwage. He's mister London.
Speaker 5: He had one hundred and fourteen. You got to give
Speaker 5: urban Meyer his perps. That draft class he had.
Speaker 4: Was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Well, it's drafts.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying their draft class Sid Serve Admire haven't
Speaker 5: really been too good, but that one worked out.
Speaker 4: Yes, anything else to hit on this game.
Speaker 2: I think they should just stay in London. Well here's
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I'm not taking anything away from the deck.
Speaker 2: They put so much into growing their brand in London
Speaker 2: and it was a Bill's crowd. That's a tough one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's probably a little bit of humble pie for JAG's
Speaker 2: ownership that really has invested in being the team there.
Speaker 2: But what we've learned and what we've seen and we're
Speaker 2: going to see it again next week when we're there,
Speaker 2: is that these games become a celebration for everyone to
Speaker 2: rep their favorite players and their favorite teams. But Bill's
Speaker 2: MafA either traveled incredibly well and I was part of it,
Speaker 2: or maybe this Jaguars foothold isn't necessarily what you think
Speaker 2: it is that.
Speaker 4: Or they were pretty loud for the Jags too. It's
Speaker 4: one of those like they're just having a good time
Speaker 4: there right.
Speaker 3: There could be a massive amount of UK based Bandwagon
Speaker 3: fans that jumped on the Bills spandwagon too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, as Hank said to us, Handsome Hank Henry Hodgson,
Speaker 2: vice president out there, that the Patriots were like the
Speaker 2: most popular team there the last twenty years and that's
Speaker 2: probably going to fade away now and we'll get to
Speaker 2: Theay real fast later, so we'll see what happens. But
Speaker 2: that that crowd is red hot there. The hot Toddy.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: They were singing, they were doing Oasis karaoke. Save that
Speaker 2: energy for when Zeusser gets there. I heard that driving
Speaker 2: in and like, I was like, if they don't repeat
Speaker 2: that simply for you, Sweet Caroline. I understand that's becoming
Speaker 2: a tradition for the London fans. And that was a
Speaker 2: goosebumps bumps moment. But what I what I need is
Speaker 2: a little don't look back, and I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like sweet Caroline is our most embarrassing export
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: Let's let's be better America. Aren't you from the Boston area.
Speaker 5: Like a lot of Red Suxits, they've always hated the
Speaker 5: sweet Caroline thing.
Speaker 2: Ogg the New England fans, they're in trouble. All right,
Speaker 2: Let's move on, head back to our shores.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: And to Pittsburgh where, oh my god, this is one
Speaker 2: of the craziest games I've ever watched.
Speaker 4: Steelers down too trying to get into at least field
Speaker 4: goal ring.
Speaker 9: Here's a shotgun, snap, blitch, he's back, he throws it
Speaker 9: down the air sideline.
Speaker 4: Pickens has it.
Speaker 10: Pittsburgh Steelers Tech do pictus to Pickens forty one yards
Speaker 10: and you.
Speaker 2: Have to be here exactly, and so he did. That's
Speaker 2: manly blueberry pie. Oh oh, put that Eric into the
Speaker 2: folder of Vest calls of the year. Woo aunt Millie's
Speaker 2: blueberry Pie. I'd have to go check that again, but
Speaker 2: I believe it was Aunt Millie. Okay, please do Bill
Speaker 2: Hillgrove and that was Craig Wolfley. I believe with the
Speaker 2: call w d v E. The Steelers had no business
Speaker 2: even having an opportunity to take the lead in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter on Sunday at the field formerly known as Hines.
Speaker 2: But the Ravens made thirty four thousand mental and physical errors.
Speaker 4: And that's an exact figure. I was tracking it right
Speaker 4: on the dot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rounded there, and Kenny Pickett delivered that forty one
Speaker 2: yard rainbow to George Pickens with one seventeen to go,
Speaker 2: allowed the Steelers to rally to a crazy seventeen to
Speaker 2: ten win. And the reason I say they had no business, boys,
Speaker 2: is this was one of the worst performances by a
Speaker 2: group of skill players around a quarterback that you will
Speaker 2: ever see. Lamar Jackson time and time again throughout this game.
Speaker 2: And he's not completely innocent because he had a horrific
Speaker 2: interception in the final minutes that played a role on
Speaker 2: how things ended. But he threw not one, not two,
Speaker 2: but three balls that absolutely should have been touchdowns, all
Speaker 2: of them dropped. We also had a fumble near midfield
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Jackson had an interception of his own, and
Speaker 2: all these physical errors allowed a Pittsburgh team that looked
Speaker 2: horrific for especially the offense, I should say, but the
Speaker 2: defense wasn't any great shakes either. They were getting bailed
Speaker 2: out by Ravens. Errors allowed them to hang around and
Speaker 2: every time you just felt like the game was over.
Speaker 2: Gunner Oshewski, Yeah, he muffed a punt in the final
Speaker 2: minutes and it's like, all right, after all that madness
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh had, just they're not gonna They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: That's when Jackson throws the pick and that leads to
Speaker 2: the big touchdown finally Piket to Pickens And by the way,
Speaker 2: Matt Canada, that's a great play call because you could
Speaker 2: have played that conservative, but they surprised the Ravens and
Speaker 2: beat him with the big throw. So it's it's a
Speaker 2: crazy game, Mark because the Ravens had no business losing it,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be something their fans Ravens Sens will
Speaker 2: never forget this loss because.
Speaker 3: It was that bad and it came against your hated
Speaker 3: rival in a very kind of raven Z steelersy type
Speaker 3: Bizarro affair.
Speaker 2: H this was a weird stat that John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3: There are four occasions where John Harbaugh has held the
Speaker 3: Steelers to three points through three quarters. They are zero
Speaker 3: to four under John Harbaugh in those games. A lot
Speaker 3: has to happen for that to for that to refer
Speaker 3: all the way it did today. Uh, And it came
Speaker 3: just in time for Pittsburgh in terms of like when
Speaker 3: they finally got that pass to George Picken two. I
Speaker 3: I thought it was seen what sort of an edging
Speaker 3: on the world and becoming a true star. And he's
Speaker 3: had a bit of a tough season in that offense.
Speaker 3: He's oh for eight on contested catches coming into this game,
Speaker 3: anymore turn that around today and two for two on
Speaker 3: the game winning drive. Yeah, so that's who he is.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I mean, I feel like we were
Speaker 3: three quarters into this and it's like, were they going
Speaker 3: to fire Matt Canna at halftime? And it's like this
Speaker 3: guy seemed presumably just out the door, and you get
Speaker 3: what you did. Joey Porter Junior makes a big play.
Speaker 3: It's like, I really always loved that draft pick. And
Speaker 3: Alex high Smith had a big play and think they
Speaker 3: thought maybe he wouldn't even play today, and he had
Speaker 3: that big strip sack.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if your balts run with you
Speaker 2: like this is a this is a tough one to
Speaker 2: swallow it. I didn't even mention the block punt that
Speaker 2: was nearly picked up for a touchdown but went for
Speaker 2: a safety, right John Harbaugh, And we'll here for John
Speaker 2: Harbaugh in one second.
Speaker 4: John Harbaugh also.
Speaker 2: Passed on a forty one yard field goal for Justin
Speaker 2: Tucker that would have been some not just stat padding,
Speaker 2: it would have given them just a little more breathing room.
Speaker 2: And almost stubbornly, it was like he was so confident
Speaker 2: that the Pittsburgh Steelers would never put anything together that
Speaker 2: he thought he could get that first down, and they
Speaker 2: don't get the first down and you lead points on
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 4: Harbaugh after the game said, we.
Speaker 11: Just got to get better operational things and clean stuff
Speaker 11: up and make those plays. I think we're that close
Speaker 11: in so many ways, but that's the difference in a
Speaker 11: game on the road like this in this kind of
Speaker 11: a rivalry game. So we'll learn from it. We have
Speaker 11: to and get better and move forward and be better
Speaker 11: next week.
Speaker 3: In those areas, it's like people talked about this as
Speaker 3: potentially the best division in football, and I see major
Speaker 3: questions marks marks with every one of them.
Speaker 5: Well, the Ravens, though, should be five. And oh so
Speaker 5: if you had asked me going into today who had
Speaker 5: the worst loss of the season. This the game in
Speaker 5: which they had most opportunities to win and they absolutely
Speaker 5: blew it time after time, I would have immediately said
Speaker 5: Ravens Colts Week three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the worst loss of the season to me.
Speaker 5: They had about fifteen different times in that game where
Speaker 5: if they just made one player didn't do something stupid,
Speaker 5: they would have won that game.
Speaker 4: And they lost that game and then they lost this one.
Speaker 5: And I don't think that's something that's like analytically gonna
Speaker 5: continue season after season. But I do think you have
Speaker 5: personalities within a season, and the fact that they have
Speaker 5: messed that up and that John Harbaugh coaches up one
Speaker 5: of the worst special teams units I've ever seen. I mean,
Speaker 5: it has Justin Tucker on it, and Tucker has been fine.
Speaker 5: But other than that, their special teams has cost them
Speaker 5: literally every single game they went into this week twenty
Speaker 5: ninth in Dvoa in terms of special teams, despite having
Speaker 5: Tucker and week after week that that's been a huge
Speaker 5: problem for them.
Speaker 4: And they do it again well and even in.
Speaker 2: That Cults game.
Speaker 3: And this is not on Justin Tucker, he's superhuman, but
Speaker 3: to have him miss that sixty one yard field goal,
Speaker 3: it fell just feet short, that was the difference in
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 5: Right, but even yeah, the punt block was huge and
Speaker 5: it's and it stinks because Lamar has played you know,
Speaker 5: sounds like he played well, but he also turned the
Speaker 5: ball over there two times with a chance to win,
Speaker 5: and he.
Speaker 3: Will he will feel like you should have done you.
Speaker 3: Sodell Beckham's still a difference maker on any level. Was
Speaker 3: he just fading It was a difference maker for a
Speaker 3: few weeks like three years ago here.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but for the most part, he is who
Speaker 2: he is. He's hurt all the time. He left this
Speaker 2: game after missing a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: But like that pickings catch by the way before the
Speaker 5: game winner was special, and that was like an Odell
Speaker 5: Beckham type of catch. And that is like someone putting
Speaker 5: the team on his back as a receiver and making
Speaker 5: two plays that not too many people would and listen.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's three and two. I don't know, you know, of
Speaker 2: course Baltimore could be five and oh, but they're not
Speaker 2: there three and two Pittsburgh. They could be owned five
Speaker 2: like Pittsburgh has been.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know about own five, but they could easily
Speaker 2: be one in four, like they are a team that
Speaker 2: has still made issues on offense. And I got I
Speaker 2: didn't get into it, but I was catching a little
Speaker 2: bit of heat from Steelers fans on Twitter because I
Speaker 2: had I had the surprise they can spell yeah, this
Speaker 2: is your team, this is your twelve with team well,
Speaker 2: I had, I had the golf reference the offensive struggles,
Speaker 2: but not put pinnant directly on mat Canada. And that
Speaker 2: fan base is so zeroed in on Canada that every
Speaker 2: time in that stadium they ran the ball on first down,
Speaker 2: the booze came running down. And then that's part of
Speaker 2: what their frustration is that there's a predictable nature to
Speaker 2: the offense, so it doesn't cure everything. Again just like
Speaker 2: they made like the Cleveland game comes to mind, like
Speaker 2: you came out of that game. That film great about Cleveland,
Speaker 2: at least not on offense, but they made enough plays
Speaker 2: to get by the same thing happened here. Pittsburgh is
Speaker 2: by no means fixed on offense, but the defense makes
Speaker 2: big plays and there is potential there if they could
Speaker 2: just clean things themselves up themselves. But man, Baltimore won
Speaker 2: this more than Pittsburgh won it. You are too and
Speaker 2: own your division. If you're Pittsburgh. I don't buy into
Speaker 2: the future journey. But that's that's not the one.
Speaker 5: Mike Tommon's going to own this rivalry. I think it's
Speaker 5: six to seven right now, six to seven or seven
Speaker 5: of eight, all right.
Speaker 2: I called it, what was it, the Battle of the
Speaker 2: Golden Retriever versus the German Shepherd Chiefs Vikings from Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be close. It was pretty close.
Speaker 2: Let's head to Minnesota.
Speaker 8: Twenty seven to twenty Kansas City five suconds to go
Speaker 8: in the game. The Vikings had the ball at the
Speaker 8: Kansas City thirty eight yard low. Chief set four guys
Speaker 8: DB's back along with Kelsey Cousins trying to be harassed stop.
Speaker 1: Bring off his sock how that will be there, a
Speaker 1: sack of groceries to take home.
Speaker 4: It's a grabb and go out, just go finles on line,
Speaker 4: but keep it and run with it.
Speaker 10: A sack by Mike Danna in the game, and the
Speaker 10: Kansas City Chiefs got their first win in the Twin
Speaker 10: Cities since nineteen ninety six. And Patrick Mahomes gets a
Speaker 10: victory here the last team he has not beaten.
Speaker 4: Good lord, you know, yeah already that's fast.
Speaker 2: Midge Holt, who had a bunch of crazy stuff in
Speaker 2: that call there Chiefs Radio. Yes, Patrick Mahomes through two
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. Travis Kelcey a real injury scare, an ankle
Speaker 2: injury in the first half, but he came back and
Speaker 2: of course he scored a touchdown and the Chiefs get
Speaker 2: that stop that they needed at the end to take
Speaker 2: home at twenty seven to twenty win over the Vikings
Speaker 2: who fall to one in four. And yes, this was
Speaker 2: a game guys where again you're seeing the Chiefs. It
Speaker 2: doesn't come easy for the Chiefs on offense right now,
Speaker 2: it just and if Kelsey is going to be less
Speaker 2: than one hundred percent, and quite frankly, despite all the
Speaker 2: Taylor swift, drama and the excitement around Kelsey. He hasn't
Speaker 2: had a big time Kelsey year. This year he seems
Speaker 2: to be you know, he missed week one and I
Speaker 2: don't want to say he's been a step slow, but
Speaker 2: he's definitely been kind of banged up along the way.
Speaker 4: And it happened again here.
Speaker 2: So if you don't have Kelsey playing at peak form,
Speaker 2: I think that's what the difference between last year and
Speaker 2: this year is. And you can say the enemy's gone too,
Speaker 2: but you know Andy's calling the plays here is that
Speaker 2: they were able to paper over any deficiencies in terms
Speaker 2: of their skill group because Kelsey was playing at an
Speaker 2: all world level. When when he's coming down a little
Speaker 2: bit here, then you're you're putting Mahomes in a more
Speaker 2: difficult situation. So that said, you take care of business
Speaker 2: in this game. This was a game that Vikings really
Speaker 2: needed to win, and yet Kansas City, as they often do,
Speaker 2: they found a way.
Speaker 5: I think it was unintentional on that call by mitt
Speaker 5: I felt us that he said he said kirk Cousins
Speaker 5: trying to be harassed, right, But that kind of was
Speaker 5: how that play played out. That kirk Cousins went back
Speaker 5: there and almost started looking for the pressure, not looking
Speaker 5: to go down, but as if like he's expecting that
Speaker 5: pressure to get there and to not throw the ball
Speaker 5: up is just such a frustrating Kirk Cousins way to
Speaker 5: end that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're now one in four and one
Speaker 2: score games. You know, Lota A.
Speaker 3: We know that they're head in that direction, but this
Speaker 3: was an odd one from a distance because like both
Speaker 3: teams had only eight drives, and I know the Chiefs
Speaker 3: have been I think they're kind of they're missing obviously
Speaker 3: like a chess piece of mismatched type guy that you
Speaker 3: can pair with Kelsey. He wasn't there in week one. Kelsey,
Speaker 3: you missed him for part of today. He's banged up,
Speaker 3: and it's like who do you turn to? And like, yet,
Speaker 3: what I do like about them and why I trust
Speaker 3: them and that they'll work the way out of this
Speaker 3: is like you have a nine play touchdown drive, you
Speaker 3: have a twelve play field goal drive, You've got another
Speaker 3: ten play field goal drive, and then two pair twin
Speaker 3: eleven play touchdown drive. So it's not perfect, and there's
Speaker 3: there's something about them that's like you're kind of a
Speaker 3: bit of a frustrating watch at times, but I trust
Speaker 3: them worked a way out of it and they're still
Speaker 3: moving the ball.
Speaker 2: And like, I think if any thing that.
Speaker 3: Stood out to me in this game was when you're
Speaker 3: the Vikings and you're trying to win these tight games
Speaker 3: because it seems like every week you're in them, you
Speaker 3: can't blow your third time out with like nine minutes
Speaker 3: minutes to go. And I'm not like a time person,
Speaker 3: a timeout person that doesn't stick in my head too often,
Speaker 3: but it's like nine that was mismanagement.
Speaker 2: Nine minutes to go you call your third time out
Speaker 2: in a game where you're scrambling on the last possession.
Speaker 5: So you know, I would have to do where you
Speaker 5: take a delay a game penalty to turn a fourth
Speaker 5: and seven with the game on the line to a
Speaker 5: fourth and twelve. Like and I'm not saying that they
Speaker 5: needed their time out there. That would have been a
Speaker 5: waste of it there too. It's just like the operation
Speaker 5: was struggling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that's Kevin O'Connell and Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: They wear that, yes, And going back to Kelsey, it
Speaker 2: was pretty frightening because there was a world where as
Speaker 2: I was coming into the office. After the end of
Speaker 2: the second quarter, I was like, did Travis Kelsey just
Speaker 2: blow his achilles? It was a bad step, yeah, the
Speaker 2: way it turned. And then he slams the helmet down
Speaker 2: when he gets to the sideline, and and but he
Speaker 2: returned and and x rays came back negative. And obviously
Speaker 2: they seem to dodge a major bullet, but they're not
Speaker 2: in the clear Gregory. There seems like there's something they
Speaker 2: need on offense to click in here. Somebody has to
Speaker 2: step into a role. Maybe it's Rice who had a
Speaker 2: score today, but they're able to get through things even
Speaker 2: though they're not the Chiefs that we know.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's someone on the trade market at some point there.
Speaker 5: If there was a team that, I don't think they
Speaker 5: want me called back, Jerry Judy because these close games.
Speaker 5: You know, we've talked all season about the regression for
Speaker 5: the Vikings, you know, who won their last six games
Speaker 5: last year by one score, including all three in the
Speaker 5: playoffs the Kansas City Chiefs, and then three out of
Speaker 5: four this year in one score games. But to be
Speaker 5: able to win in different types of ways is still
Speaker 5: extremely impressive to me. Because they're a defensive team. They
Speaker 5: and run the ball when they needed to. But the
Speaker 5: whole idea of like you can't blitz Patrick Mahomes anymore.
Speaker 5: Brian Floores, I think blitzed them more than any team
Speaker 5: has in three or four years. And you know they
Speaker 5: only ended up with three hundred and thirty three yards Yeah,
Speaker 5: five point two. I mean, I know they got it done,
Speaker 5: but they weren't killing him like you would previously when
Speaker 5: you blitz.
Speaker 3: Now, I do think the Vikings defense has shown improvement,
Speaker 3: like they're this scheme works for them, and it's like
Speaker 3: they're missing parts though not.
Speaker 4: Enough though, four or five? Who oh yeah the west Bros.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh come on, dude, I don't of all the
Speaker 2: brother say some of the brothers the Cincinnati Zoo.
Speaker 4: I didn't even get.
Speaker 2: I was busy, you know, prepping for the show. But
Speaker 2: apparently there's a all out like warn in the and
Speaker 2: the text thread between uh yes, Westling brothers after a lock.
Speaker 2: I checked that after work? What Greg, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Very fiery, I mean they just picked up a game
Speaker 2: on everyone in the standings after our our bozo lock
Speaker 2: of Buffalo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm now dead.
Speaker 5: That Phil sends out, Yeah that that Mackie's on a
Speaker 5: roll his son, and Nick is not pleased even that
Speaker 5: that Phil's and he says, quote the Rosenthal approach is working,
Speaker 5: which I don't know what that is winning?
Speaker 4: Winning?
Speaker 5: Nick says, uh Nick Nick approaches ratings gold and and
Speaker 5: uh that it's embarrassing.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Get them back in the cages.
Speaker 2: By the way, I've been beaten by a youth and
Speaker 2: now sit in last place.
Speaker 4: It happens marked a lot of season, a lot of
Speaker 4: season left for the record.
Speaker 2: Marks. I know you asked about this, You're all over this.
Speaker 2: What Jim Nance has an update on what everybody wanted
Speaker 2: to know. Does does this romance between Kelsey and Andylor's
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift extend to Minneapolis in the fall?
Speaker 9: Listening Jim Nance, welcome back to US Bank Stadium here
Speaker 9: in Minneapolis. In case you're wondering, She's seven words I
Speaker 9: thought would never leave my lips in my career.
Speaker 2: What are the Taylor.
Speaker 4: Swift is not at the game?
Speaker 9: That's the first fee I've never said that before. There's
Speaker 9: a broken hearted people. I just saw on the stands.
Speaker 9: She was questionable whole week. But it looks like it's
Speaker 9: officially inactive.
Speaker 3: Like literally people consoling each other there swiftly with Swifties
Speaker 3: on the back of their jersey.
Speaker 4: There was there was a girl there.
Speaker 2: It just looked like she was in her twenties that
Speaker 2: had a Taylor Swift Vikings jersey. Did she did that
Speaker 2: young woman spend like one hundred dollars, Yeah, to wear
Speaker 2: a jersey that game on the off chance that Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift would be sitting like three hundred feet up in a.
Speaker 3: Lit Yes, I don't understand that. What's happening here is
Speaker 3: there's no other scenario. She would have bought that jersey,
Speaker 3: you know, weeks ago or a month. She is the
Speaker 3: pie piper NFL is absolutely in love with the whole situation.
Speaker 5: The only thing worse than I did silence after a joke,
Speaker 5: though that names makes Tarny Ramo's fake laugh like that's
Speaker 5: actually worse.
Speaker 4: Silence, Arett be better?
Speaker 2: Romo was not listening. There's no chance.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 2: She mentioned Justin Jefferson who got banged up in this game. Well,
Speaker 2: he had a hamstring tweak. We're not sure about the
Speaker 2: severity of it, but obviously that would be very bad news.
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell didn't sound overly optimists. They didn't nobody also
Speaker 5: said we believe our offense will be in good shape
Speaker 5: whenever JJ gets back.
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, sound great.
Speaker 2: It looked well. I mean it just looked like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's going to be lingering on his body four months.
Speaker 2: I like watching the Vikings, but not if Justin Jefferson
Speaker 2: ain't home. All right, let us head to the desert
Speaker 2: where the Cardinals drew another tough opponent, but ritt.
Speaker 4: The Bengals a tough opponent right now. Well, let's see
Speaker 4: what happened today.
Speaker 12: Second in goal from the three, Burrow in the gun,
Speaker 12: he catches at the eight.
Speaker 4: He fakes to mix him now rolling to the right,
Speaker 4: back pedaling.
Speaker 12: To the thirteen through Jamar Chase on the back line
Speaker 12: of the oh with his third touchdown catch. Oh yes,
Speaker 12: he sets a new Bengals record with his fourteenth catch
Speaker 12: up the game unbelievable.
Speaker 4: He's like, DJ Moore, I got you okay, Oh AFC,
Speaker 4: Jill Burrow might be back.
Speaker 2: The quarterback threw for three hundred and seventeen yards and
Speaker 2: three touchdown passes, all to yes Jamar Chase, matching what
Speaker 2: DJ Moore did on Thursday Night Football see, and that's
Speaker 2: how it tied together, and he finished with a season
Speaker 2: high hundred is here that is a professional lever poll
Speaker 2: by U Dan. He finished with the season high one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety a buck ninety two. See that didn't
Speaker 2: match DJ Moore though, to be fair, no, but you know,
Speaker 2: in terms pretty like catches, he eclipsed him and then
Speaker 2: he matched touchdowns in the game, it's about scoring, so
Speaker 2: really taking in on this angle, well, fantasy challenged and
Speaker 2: the Bengals beat the Cardinals thirty four to twenty. Let's
Speaker 2: now welcome in a man who I'm sure watch us
Speaker 2: like the rest of us with trapping. Which version of
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow showed.
Speaker 4: Up and.
Speaker 2: Obviously was a far more productive version, mister Shook, How
Speaker 2: do he look to you?
Speaker 13: It's one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: He was about as close as it gets to one
Speaker 7: hundred percent for a guy who was lingering about fifty
Speaker 7: percent to the first month of the season. It felt
Speaker 7: like I watched Joe Burrow go into some healing cryogenic
Speaker 7: chamber from some sci fi movie and stepped out and
Speaker 7: was like, I'm back and I'm here destroyed the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Maybe he borrowed mister Johnson and Johnson's cryo chamber in Malibu,
Speaker 2: you never.
Speaker 13: Know, or wherever they froze. Ted Williams, yeah that is Arizona.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is an Arizona. That is the right state.
Speaker 7: So that's how he played it. Baically proved it. Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow was fantastic, guys, he was great. This is the
Speaker 7: most I was watching this pretty close thing.
Speaker 3: It's like the most hopeful thing that happened all day
Speaker 3: today league wide, because it's like, well Sean Payton lost today,
Speaker 3: all right, well they're coming from depending on your POV.
Speaker 3: But it's like we were a player that couldn't simply
Speaker 3: couldn't function, and it's like, I don't know what happened
Speaker 3: over the last week. I mean, I do his body,
Speaker 3: you know, keeled? I guess I guess that's from a
Speaker 3: bird's of you, that's what happened.
Speaker 2: But like it happened suddenly quickly, and like Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: who was lost in space for the whole first part
Speaker 2: of this season, what happens to him is insane and
Speaker 2: it's like we can believe in this team again. In
Speaker 2: a really weird AFC.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like this was the one of
Speaker 3: the bigger turning points we've we've seen in the first month.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 7: Jamar Chase after the game tweeted seven to eleven. You
Speaker 7: know always open, because he was always open in this game. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it was remarkable, Mark, You're absolutely right. I mean, it
Speaker 7: was a It was a game where you went in
Speaker 7: and thought, well, if Joe Burrow is still what he's
Speaker 7: been for the last month, the Cardinals will have a
Speaker 7: chance because they play with their hair on fire in
Speaker 7: every game, and they're a little sloppy and sometimes they
Speaker 7: come away with victories and other times they make it interesting.
Speaker 13: Well, they made this one interesting, but they just didn't
Speaker 13: have enough to keep.
Speaker 7: Up with the newly reimagined Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase
Speaker 7: out to set records and give multiple touchdown passall I like.
Speaker 4: Enjoy it. He's fed up. Continue to talk like that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was very telling.
Speaker 5: After the game, Joe Burrow said that this felt like
Speaker 5: their game of year ago against New Orleans.
Speaker 4: I believe was the example a game that. Yeah that
Speaker 4: that I don't think they did they win that.
Speaker 5: They won that game in New Orleans and that was
Speaker 5: a bit of a turning point where they started the
Speaker 5: season slow and it was the slugfest back and forth
Speaker 5: and I also looked at those touchdowns. And I wouldn't
Speaker 5: watch this game closely, but I saw enough to see
Speaker 5: those two plays were out of the pocket.
Speaker 4: They were not first reaction plays.
Speaker 5: They were second reaction plays, you know, creative him moving
Speaker 5: and that just like those plays were not available the
Speaker 5: last few weeks.
Speaker 4: That makes a pretty good difference.
Speaker 2: That was the key to me.
Speaker 7: That was the big difference was that he was navigating
Speaker 7: the pocket, he was rolling out, he was even scrabbling
Speaker 7: a little bit for some positive gains. I felt like
Speaker 7: I had gone on a time machine back to last year.
Speaker 7: Maybe it was New Orleans, maybe it was another game.
Speaker 7: He was back to his old self. And I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna say he's one hundred percent yet because we haven't
Speaker 7: quite seen that, but he's really close to him.
Speaker 2: He's so much further long than he was before.
Speaker 7: And Dance it better watch out AFC, because if this
Speaker 7: is the Bengals, even without t Higgins, if Joe Burrow's
Speaker 7: back like this, they are a force in this conference again,
Speaker 7: not just the division, but this conference.
Speaker 13: And that whole month where they were not good, well
Speaker 13: y'all took that for granted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's Burrow and when he's healthy, they're gonna
Speaker 2: be good. Here's the quote from him about he's admitting,
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow that what he wasn't and what he was
Speaker 2: today about his mobility moving out of the pocket, It's
Speaker 2: something I haven't been able to do the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. When the quarterback can't do that, can't steal
Speaker 2: first downs, can't extend plays to find guys, it's tough
Speaker 2: to move the ball. It felt good today. It does
Speaker 2: beg the question when he was acknowledging he couldn't do
Speaker 2: any of those things, should he have been playing. But
Speaker 2: there's also this like the magic of Burrow and why
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the more dynamic talents that's
Speaker 2: entered the league in a long time is that he
Speaker 2: does have that kind of that magic to him. And
Speaker 2: when they needed to gut out that win when they
Speaker 2: were zero to two and avoid an zero to three start,
Speaker 2: he got that. And now after an ugly game last week,
Speaker 2: backs against the wall again, he finds a way. And
Speaker 2: I don't know what cryo chamber he was in, or
Speaker 2: if it's just time has allowed the cap to get healthier.
Speaker 2: We certainly he's not out of the woods because he's
Speaker 2: already had one significant setback. But like it's just the
Speaker 2: magic of this guy and how special he is, and
Speaker 2: it's why if, if this is going to be a
Speaker 2: situation where he's going to continue to build on this,
Speaker 2: Like they are going to be a house on fire
Speaker 2: down the stretch just like they were last year.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so far.
Speaker 7: I mean, their defense is playing well. Their defense is
Speaker 7: what's kept them in most of the games that they've
Speaker 7: been closed in. That's what won in the Rams game.
Speaker 7: Joe Mason looks good. Just overall is the unit. They
Speaker 7: look solid, and if they get their momentum going here,
Speaker 7: then you know, everybody better watch it out.
Speaker 2: The Cardinals are.
Speaker 3: They're hyper frisky, and I think that's like they're enjoyable
Speaker 3: to watch in my opinion. They had a really big
Speaker 3: goal line stand on Joe Mixon when they were only
Speaker 3: down fourteen to ten, and you thought at that point,
Speaker 3: like are they going to do what they've been doing
Speaker 3: week after week? And then they then Josh Dobbs, who
Speaker 3: has been pretty good this season. They were up fourteen
Speaker 3: to ten, that up fourteen to ten, and then like
Speaker 3: they he throws the pick six and like you kind
Speaker 3: of feel the tide turning at that point, and it's
Speaker 3: like they're that's a team that can't make that key mistake.
Speaker 3: I mean, but they, I will say that, like they
Speaker 3: seem well coached. To me, they're buying into it, like
Speaker 3: this Dennis guard deck guy is like out there kicking
Speaker 3: people's butts.
Speaker 2: I kind of just like them.
Speaker 13: We know, yeah, they the buying is definitely there, but
Speaker 13: I think it's more of a team.
Speaker 4: That's the eighth cup of coffee talking.
Speaker 2: They didn't but I don't know what when they lost.
Speaker 2: They lost James Connor and.
Speaker 5: The defense is stuck from the defense is stuck that
Speaker 5: the schedule has been brutal, so that's part of it.
Speaker 5: But the defense, it's a bottom five defense in every
Speaker 5: possible category, and they got to be feeling like they
Speaker 5: got a little unlucky.
Speaker 2: And they're one and four and they've been outscored sixty
Speaker 2: nine to thirty six last time. No, I know, I
Speaker 2: just want to like I no, no, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: like hey go everywhere, gouch, go buy tickets to the game,
Speaker 2: but it's like they've got a picks and like, I
Speaker 2: think there's effort there. I think what's gone is the
Speaker 2: thought that they're the bottom of the league.
Speaker 4: They are.
Speaker 2: They could be a little bit frisky strong, they could
Speaker 2: be feisty. Yeah, Chris, fine, frisky is not the word.
Speaker 2: That's fine. But I think the story here is Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow and the Bengals, and no, I think it's then
Speaker 2: I think, you know, if we shook, I just want
Speaker 2: to and they they didn't have Higgins in this game. Correct, correct,
Speaker 2: you did not play, so you know they weren't even
Speaker 2: a full strength of their ability to put up points.
Speaker 2: That's that's a good sign.
Speaker 7: Anything else, Nick, No, I mean if the Bengals are
Speaker 7: like this for a you know, the next month, then
Speaker 7: they're gonna be in the conversation.
Speaker 13: The Cardinals are fun to watch, though they're fun watch.
Speaker 4: The one game the Bengals, I mean, after all this,
Speaker 4: there was their one game back in their.
Speaker 2: Day in a division that we've said is maybe not
Speaker 2: as ironclads as we thought. I believe, more than any
Speaker 2: other team in the AFC North, right, that's the Ravens
Speaker 2: are dumb.
Speaker 4: That was dumb, So bad all right, idiots, shooky a
Speaker 4: one and done for you today.
Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your sign.
Speaker 13: This is what we call a cameo long.
Speaker 4: Yeah, rest up, because we're gonna need you a big
Speaker 4: time next week. It's gotta be a lot of shooky,
Speaker 4: heavy left.
Speaker 2: All that grunting that's pumping. I'm preparing for it, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and when we get back,
Speaker 2: we dive back into week five. It's disturbing.
Speaker 4: All right, Oh, that's my favorite part of the show.
Speaker 2: It's time now for the Sunday Drive, presented by the
Speaker 2: first ever Toyota Grand Highlander.
Speaker 4: Do you like going on a Sunday drive?
Speaker 2: Bark? I mean I usually I drive to work and
Speaker 2: then I'm here for fourteens, like the off season. Of
Speaker 2: course I do. It depends to where. But yeah, of
Speaker 2: course i'd like to. And I like a quaint mid
Speaker 2: twentieth century thing to just go for a Sunday drive. Well,
Speaker 2: I think back then it was like you are You're
Speaker 2: one of the rare people that own a car. It's
Speaker 2: a big deal.
Speaker 4: Now it's like it was the mid twentieth century, Like,
Speaker 4: how would I know that you got a big birthday
Speaker 4: coming up? Buddy?
Speaker 2: This It wasn't that I'm not turning eighty. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying it's a big one. Yeah, I don't try not
Speaker 2: to focus on that, but you're right, all right, let's
Speaker 2: get to it. Across the sidewalk we go.
Speaker 6: Rams have to get to the Eagles forty four for
Speaker 6: a first time. Had the Eagles stop him and an
Speaker 6: all practicality in the game stuff.
Speaker 4: To get on the goal.
Speaker 6: Then practicality Stufford poling full of football suffer takes the snap,
Speaker 6: he's back here, comes to rest again.
Speaker 1: They hit him hem then go it is Hassan with
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: Oh Hassan reddick your dirty dog.
Speaker 4: Merril Reese with the call.
Speaker 2: The big takedown of Matt Stafford put to bed any
Speaker 2: thoughts the Rams could shock the defending conference champions, and
Speaker 2: they score that road win twenty three to fourteen.
Speaker 4: Over the Rams.
Speaker 2: Another frisky team this year, but this is the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2: Greg Hurts Jalen Hurts through for three hundred and three
Speaker 2: yards in a touchdown. He rushed for seventy two and
Speaker 2: another score and take care of business effort here by Philly.
Speaker 4: I love this game by the Eagles. I love this team.
Speaker 4: They're so good.
Speaker 5: I thought it was so fitting watching that replay, seeing
Speaker 5: Nick Sirianni sprint down the field to go congratulate Hassan
Speaker 5: Reddick because Reddick's bin in the crosshairs of like, why
Speaker 5: isn't Assan Reddick getting anything done in all weeks? Sianna
Speaker 5: seeing he's getting close, He's getting close, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: And then he gets back to back sacks on those plays.
Speaker 5: You know what else that Siannie was talking about all week,
Speaker 5: He said, we don't worry Dallas Goddter is going to
Speaker 5: be part of this offense. He had under ninety yards
Speaker 5: on the season going into this game. What happens here?
Speaker 5: They feature him early. He's busting open those zones in
Speaker 5: the rams coverage eight for one point seventeen in one.
Speaker 5: Most teams go into games and they're just like, how
Speaker 5: do we find a way to win? Like the Eagles
Speaker 5: are like, how do we start pumping up the stars
Speaker 5: that we have that haven't quite gotten their tastelet lately.
Speaker 5: I bet it'll be DeVonta Smith next week, because he's
Speaker 5: been quiet and they were talking to him on the sideline.
Speaker 5: I also think they get into these games and they
Speaker 5: kind of just feel it out and they figure out
Speaker 5: what do we need in this game? In this game
Speaker 5: in the second half, they clamped down and they really
Speaker 5: dominated with long drives on offense and a lot of
Speaker 5: pressure on defense and made the Rams offense in the
Speaker 5: second half look as bad as it's looked all year.
Speaker 3: I one thing about them, because you know, it was
Speaker 3: like the narrative, like what's wrong with their passing a game?
Speaker 3: Whereas the explosive plays and so they use the ground
Speaker 3: game to destroy people. And like in this game, midway
Speaker 3: through the third quarter, they had eleven yards on the
Speaker 3: ground by running backs and you're seeing Dallas Goddard exploited
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. And I'm with you this the versatility
Speaker 3: and like aj Brown, who is largely unstoppable, the Rams
Speaker 3: hung around in this, but it's the Eagles whore just
Speaker 3: like have so many ways to attack that it almost
Speaker 3: is like you're happily picking on the opponent with whatever
Speaker 3: player you want to choose. And it's like this week
Speaker 3: it's a different cast of characters, and last week we
Speaker 3: saw hurts on the ground a bunch more.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't have a lot of questions
Speaker 2: about the Eagles. Yeah, it seems unfair because they have
Speaker 2: so much talent and they're just so well coached Dalen
Speaker 2: Carter had two more sacks. It's the same building where
Speaker 2: he won the national title in January, and you know
Speaker 2: they they could have been Twenty three is not an
Speaker 2: overwhelming offensive score, but they had drives that lasted seventeen plays,
Speaker 2: fifteen plays, ten plays that led to nine points three
Speaker 2: field goals. So GREGI a little better execution there. And
Speaker 2: this game is maybe a forty burger or whatever. But
Speaker 2: again with the Eagles, and this is what I was
Speaker 2: trying to say. I guess last week that like their
Speaker 2: problems are like the rich people problem will live up
Speaker 2: on the hill behind the gates, you know, like there
Speaker 2: you need an intercom to get into the neighborhood. Is
Speaker 2: the type of problems are dealing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, their problem is like suddenly Jason Kelsey's exploding on
Speaker 3: the sideline because it's a fight that they're very productive,
Speaker 3: but he's upset about I guess the.
Speaker 2: Calls coming in. We just did that for his podcast.
Speaker 2: Well know that was he fifty percent chance. He just
Speaker 2: did that for them to have something to talk. I
Speaker 2: don't doubt that at this point. Do you think he
Speaker 2: cares about the date of the Sunday job.
Speaker 5: Like the Jags, I think their best two weeks of
Speaker 5: the season though, are their last two, so they're getting
Speaker 5: better as they go. And Jalen hurts that whole discussion,
Speaker 5: and I was saying it too, that he was struggling
Speaker 5: relatively inside the bucket. That's over too, because he has
Speaker 5: played beautifully these last two weeks. He's played as well
Speaker 5: as any quarterback in the league the last two weeks.
Speaker 5: And they actually did make a point today to send
Speaker 5: him on some design runs early and it was very
Speaker 5: key early that he was picking up first downs with
Speaker 5: the legs and that was Jalen Carter. Sex are just
Speaker 5: so fast and they just they killed the Rams in
Speaker 5: the second half. They had five possessions, they had under
Speaker 5: one hundred yards. They were just punting, punting, punting, like
Speaker 5: turning it over on downs and quick drives. I haven't
Speaker 5: seen the Rams offense look that bad in the second half.
Speaker 5: First half, they looked like they always looked, and Cooper
Speaker 5: Cup did return to.
Speaker 2: The heavy look.
Speaker 5: He looked like Cooper Cup eight for one eighteen. I
Speaker 5: think he had almost sixty yards on five catches in
Speaker 5: the first drive alone.
Speaker 2: Looked like he was gonna finish with like eighteen catchs.
Speaker 5: Right, and I don't think he ran out of gas
Speaker 5: because he made some plays late. I don't know if
Speaker 5: Stafford's injury affect him because he had some great throws
Speaker 5: in this game. But he did miss four or five
Speaker 5: that I haven't seen him miss this year that were
Speaker 5: throws that were there. Uh, and so that's something to watch.
Speaker 5: But Pukakua still is demand seven for seventy one and one.
Speaker 5: I'm not I don't feel any guy for targets there
Speaker 5: on up Phoko, Yeah, like gonna still got eleven him,
Speaker 5: him and Cup dominated with twenty three of the targets.
Speaker 2: I think you know two to two is not gonna
Speaker 2: get as much sign anymore. It was nice while it
Speaker 2: lasted anything else on this game, Gregy, No, I just
Speaker 2: like how fired up.
Speaker 5: Though Sean McVay is afterwards like he really believes in
Speaker 5: this team. He's saying like, we're not we're not going down.
Speaker 5: Like I think it's a frisky team.
Speaker 4: They're not. They're not ready. Not many teams are gonna
Speaker 4: be ready for this Eagles team.
Speaker 2: No Eagles get the Jets next week. They're five and oh.
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Speaker 2: All right, let us head to a town that's Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Like if you're like plugged in pennable hole, McCulla will snap.
Speaker 4: They makes it Atlantas three and two snap spot.
Speaker 2: Flag down, kick is away.
Speaker 1: It is perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got a flag. Baby, I'll mess with
Speaker 4: my highlight with flags.
Speaker 2: I think Houston Texans were off side. I stupid.
Speaker 4: There were two fouls on the play, both by the.
Speaker 2: Defense offside to mess with my highlight running into the
Speaker 2: kicker quiet number twenty five.
Speaker 4: This cendently is also declined. The field goal is good.
Speaker 4: The game is over. I can drive, I said, okay.
Speaker 4: I like when they say the game is over. It
Speaker 4: always feels good.
Speaker 2: Like the the reflics to vamp there a little bit
Speaker 2: with that giving us all this info, how about just
Speaker 2: come on and be like both against Atlanta, both against
Speaker 2: uh Houston.
Speaker 4: Game over. Yeah, that's good, that's good. We don't we
Speaker 4: don't need it.
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: Put it in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Jesus, put it in the box, an official box score,
Speaker 2: that data, those data points. Let the celebration begin.
Speaker 4: Damn it.
Speaker 2: It's a fair argument. West Durham with the call w ZGC,
Speaker 2: good call. Desmond Ritter passed and ran for touchdowns, a
Speaker 2: big all few to all the bozo's calling for his benching,
Speaker 2: and young Waiku kicked a thirty seven yard field goals
Speaker 2: time expired. Falcons snap a two game losing streak. They
Speaker 2: beat the upstart Texans twenty one to nineteen. Greg Ritta
Speaker 2: he needed this game, as did Arthur Smith, the head coach.
Speaker 2: I was facing mounting criticism for sticking with his QB one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, great Desmond Ridder game. It should go without saying.
Speaker 5: This is the best game of Desmond Rider great career,
Speaker 5: like legitimately great. I haven't seen it for him. For him, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean he went for three twenty nine and a touchdown.
Speaker 5: I think the receivers made plays for him, but he
Speaker 5: didn't make any bad decisions. There weren't any groners that
Speaker 5: he got away with. They were the better team. They
Speaker 5: had four hundred and forty seven yards of offense. I mean,
Speaker 5: this was the vision, This was Arthur Smith's vision. Ritter
Speaker 5: like distributing, not messing up Kyle Pitts, make some nice catches,
Speaker 5: leading the team and receiving Kyle Pitt seven for eighty seven.
Speaker 5: Drake London making might hallucinating. Yes, this happened, Uh, Drake,
Speaker 5: you've been asking for. Drake London making a contested catch
Speaker 5: that was one of the best catches I've seen this season,
Speaker 5: thirty two yards while his helmet was being ripped off
Speaker 5: at a very key moment of the game.
Speaker 4: Bijon making people.
Speaker 2: Got four carries than Lger Right, No, that all the
Speaker 2: way there, but he didn't get a receiving.
Speaker 4: Are we gonna Are we gonna give up that dream yet?
Speaker 4: Can we please? Can we please stop that?
Speaker 2: Arthur?
Speaker 5: He did already make a one handed catch on a
Speaker 5: touchdown where it was here where he faked it behind
Speaker 5: the back or something.
Speaker 4: So that was the vision.
Speaker 5: Plus a defense that is much more together and complete
Speaker 5: than it was a year ago, and they get a
Speaker 5: win over a team that's maybe a year behind them
Speaker 5: in terms of their development.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting, is like we when we preview this,
Speaker 3: and I think when everyone looked at it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: by many metrics, Houston is the worst run defense in
Speaker 3: the league, and Atlanta wants to go pound the ball
Speaker 3: against you and probably run the ball. They did for
Speaker 3: thirty six times for two point seven yards for carry.
Speaker 3: So it's like they needed Ridder to make these plays
Speaker 3: and I find them unpredictable because it's like, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't think having Desmond Ridder in general throw the
Speaker 3: ball thirty seven times is a great concept.
Speaker 2: You get today that helps, but it's like that's I don't.
Speaker 2: It feels like not hit like Arthur Smith's vision in
Speaker 2: a way. Well, I guess against what he he doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to want to give Kyle Pitts and Drake London
Speaker 2: like huge amounts of targets, and today.
Speaker 5: It just I think teams are just loading up to
Speaker 5: stop them so much that it's forcing their hand. And
Speaker 5: today he actually delivered, but it wasn't even great. Like
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of a lot of these catches and they're great,
Speaker 5: they're nice catches. He doesn't like put it right on you,
Speaker 5: like Pitt's had a nice jumping catch London John Whu.
Speaker 5: Smith is back alive. But that's what they're gonna need
Speaker 5: to make this thing work.
Speaker 2: Take me through the end of this game, because I
Speaker 2: was more just seeing it in the scroll and it
Speaker 2: and Houston has the lead laid here. How does it
Speaker 2: all play? Out down the stretch. Is this you know,
Speaker 2: was this a dramatic comeback drive or great play?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, Houston didn't have a touchdown until
Speaker 5: you know what, two minutes left in the game. But
Speaker 5: it was twelve seven entering the fourth quarter, and Atlanta
Speaker 5: just kept going on these drives, drive after drive, and
Speaker 5: they lost two fumbles. They managed to win this game
Speaker 5: despite having two turnovers. Neither was Ritter, and they go
Speaker 5: on these long field goal drives and then TJ Stroud
Speaker 5: my guy, it's not my guy, it's everyone's guy.
Speaker 4: Everyone's enjoying watching him play.
Speaker 5: Gets the ball, it's down six with seven minutes to go,
Speaker 5: and just coolly goes down the field, making the right raids.
Speaker 5: They get the running game going. He gets the touchdown
Speaker 5: to go up, setting up Ridder with about one forty
Speaker 5: nine to go. They need a field goal, and they
Speaker 5: made it look easy, like they had too much, Like
Speaker 5: they got in field goal position with about forty five
Speaker 5: seconds to go. Ridder makes a couple nice throws to
Speaker 5: pretty open receivers. Houston's defense was not impressive in this game,
Speaker 5: but you got to give Ridder in the play callers
Speaker 5: credit and and some of these were ridder runs too
Speaker 5: on that last drive where like he made all the
Speaker 5: right moves and London got open against the secondary. That
Speaker 5: healthier now too for Houston. So I was surprised to
Speaker 5: see the Falcons put it on Houston like this.
Speaker 2: And that's a test. That's a test for Dimigo Ryans' defense.
Speaker 2: You have a one point lead with one forty nine
Speaker 2: to play, Maybe they get to the point, Maybe they're
Speaker 2: gonna need some more talent. Maybe the scheme will get
Speaker 2: there eventually, we'll they'll get that stop to win the game.
Speaker 2: But no, no, Ryan's a defensive guy.
Speaker 5: That's that hurts, right, and they they couldn't really stop
Speaker 5: them all day other than those two forced fumbles. I
Speaker 5: think it was Bijon did have one of the fumbles.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's why in places and John new Smith had another.
Speaker 5: But Rider had on dropbacks nine point two yards per
Speaker 5: play nine point two.
Speaker 2: They had four and forty seven yards.
Speaker 5: It was a no joke effort. And I think Ryan
Speaker 5: Nielsen and his outrageous mustache. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: guys have seen this thing. He's one of the twirly ones. No,
Speaker 5: it's like cattlefish hunter. Yeah, it's just so bushy and wide.
Speaker 5: It makes Arthur Smith almost look feminine.
Speaker 4: I mean, like Gene Siegel time.
Speaker 5: I wish I would have asked for a picture. But
Speaker 5: he's got this defense playing well like Jesse Bates and A. J.
Speaker 5: Trell is a real deal duo. Like their linebackers are
Speaker 5: good Klays. Campbell got hurt in this game, but otherwise
Speaker 5: Campbell and Jarrett like they were real difference. They're not great,
Speaker 5: but they're just average at very worst.
Speaker 2: Shall it from n Today Show?
Speaker 4: Is it a Geen Shallotte?
Speaker 2: Now, it's not a shadow that I don't know.
Speaker 4: You don't know that you don't know.
Speaker 2: You don't I know who Geno, I remember who Jeens?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Shall I know Shallotte?
Speaker 5: My mom watched the Today Show on Reviewer on like
Speaker 5: a three inch screen one of.
Speaker 4: The remember like the people the Kitchen TV used to
Speaker 4: have three inch kitchen TV radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like exactly exactly like let's I don't need it.
Speaker 3: We had The Today's Show on every single every single
Speaker 3: weekday in our house hours at a time, and Jean
Speaker 3: Shallott was a large part of my shelter.
Speaker 2: That mustag Geane clean it up? Like I know it's
Speaker 2: your thing, but his mustache took all pre inches up.
Speaker 2: It was. It was insane. Uh, all right, good job.
Speaker 2: Let's see if you go string it together and make
Speaker 2: the Falcons truly interesting. That's all just need a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks in. He doesn't need to be great. They
Speaker 2: do need to. We got to get rid of this
Speaker 2: time share in the backfield.
Speaker 4: But we'll get to that. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just you don't need to have one.
Speaker 2: Guys averaging three and a half yards per carry behind
Speaker 2: the same offensive line, but you want the other guys
Speaker 2: averaging five and a half. Maybe give it to the guy,
Speaker 2: that guy from a year ago into the very productive
Speaker 2: this year. And can I say why? He just gets
Speaker 2: hotter and hotter physically.
Speaker 4: Officially h The game goes along.
Speaker 2: And so if you're gonna interrupt Tyler al Giles, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna give some of the ball to someone else,
Speaker 2: we got a problem. You know that that mustache and
Speaker 2: now I'm seeing it.
Speaker 4: Who is that?
Speaker 2: That's Ryan Nielsen there? Defense that's getting a little on.
Speaker 2: Remember when Jordan grew the mustache. That's a little too closet.
Speaker 5: It's kind of yeah, it's not it, No, it's not
Speaker 5: a mustache like that because theirs are like four inches long.
Speaker 4: I mean he could break. He could break as.
Speaker 2: An European, a little bit a little tyrant part of
Speaker 2: a part of Europe.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: We don't need it, we don't. We don't need any
Speaker 5: echo effect. I think it's just that's a bad angle
Speaker 5: or something doesn't look like that. I'm just saying it
Speaker 5: was a bad look for Michael Jordan. Yeah it was
Speaker 5: Jean Shallot it would be better, all right, let's go.
Speaker 5: I mean, how did Jean shout even eat? They don't
Speaker 5: ever think about that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of things that you'd question how
Speaker 3: well he did with the setup he had going on.
Speaker 2: Hello Larry, all right we do Lucas Oil stadium, yiks
Speaker 2: hannahell between.
Speaker 4: The ashbarks, lou receivers, the port of the like size.
Speaker 4: You knew what you were doing.
Speaker 2: Wating on a shot.
Speaker 1: That's do he takes a pelt, hot packs the throat
Speaker 1: in the pocket.
Speaker 2: I have a theory that I can't share on the show.
Speaker 4: The intercepted by dying apples the fifty yard line, and that's.
Speaker 12: Julia Blackman put.
Speaker 1: The game ceiling interception.
Speaker 5: Ten seconds to goal.
Speaker 4: Colts are gonna win.
Speaker 14: An interception by the Colts defense at the fifty yard
Speaker 14: line in the streak will die Today it's the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2: Oh, those frisky Indianapolis Colts. Julian Blackman snagged the passer
Speaker 2: Miyan Tannehill, an interception that sealed the twenty three sixteen
Speaker 2: win over the rival Titans.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the streak was. What was it?
Speaker 5: How many they had lost seven straight home games? Oh,
Speaker 5: I think that's what he's.
Speaker 2: Those ones hurt the most, five straight losses to the opponent.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's at two streaks.
Speaker 2: Oh well, goodbye to those streaks. A victory tempered, unfortunately
Speaker 2: by yet another injury for my guy, Anthony Richardson. More
Speaker 2: on that later, Mark. He's your guy now, Okay, he's mine.
Speaker 2: You see NFL Plus on Thursday. Well, atn we did
Speaker 2: a rookie redraft. You drafted him second overall. Thick my guy.
Speaker 2: But maybe I'm not celebrating that. Today it's going great.
Speaker 2: My guy is stacking up the sick days early here, Mark.
Speaker 2: This game was hyped up as the return of the
Speaker 2: newly paid Jonathan Taylor, who got a three year forty
Speaker 2: two million dollar extension that included I believe to twenty
Speaker 2: six million guaranteed. However, Zach Moss all the show as
Speaker 2: his understudy. Zack Moss looked great Taylor. Had Taylor came in,
Speaker 2: he didn't see he barely played six carries eighteen yards.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's undaxtendable. Makes sense.
Speaker 3: They'll heat him up. But like, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: don't know why I took I don't know. Now you
Speaker 3: pay him after all this time. But Zach Moss, who
Speaker 3: you know, had two hundred and eighty yards.
Speaker 2: You know that in this game mark that organization is
Speaker 2: known to surprise you with they do they come up,
Speaker 2: come out of the blue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it made sense to pay him, don't
Speaker 4: we think? Right?
Speaker 2: But it's just that organization has a way about, you know,
Speaker 2: zigging and zagging in ways that are unpredicted. It was
Speaker 2: the way it unfurled, like was why did your why
Speaker 2: did your whole philosophical approach to Jonathan Taylor?
Speaker 5: Suddenly I have a theory, but yeah, not going to
Speaker 5: share it. I have a but you know what it is,
Speaker 5: I have another I have a theory that I will share.
Speaker 5: It's more just well, they just waited for the boss
Speaker 5: to calm down. You know, they wanted to do this
Speaker 5: the whole time. Yeah, it's just like Larry, let's just
Speaker 5: maybe after a month he'll he'll calm down and we
Speaker 5: can do what we want.
Speaker 4: Right, Right, it's one or the other.
Speaker 2: Right, it's either the boss demanded it to happen, or
Speaker 2: the boss wasn't paying attention or didn't care anymore. It's
Speaker 2: like one of those things. Well, you snuck it by him.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how twenty six million to
Speaker 3: gets snuck by someone, but he's of a different pay
Speaker 3: class than we are. I mean, this was a game
Speaker 3: where I was like, I kind of like Tennessee's chances potentially,
Speaker 3: You've got this pretty gnarly run defense, and you've been
Speaker 3: running the ball like last week. They ran the ball
Speaker 3: real well, Tennessee. I mean, Jarrick Henry forty three yards
Speaker 3: on thirteen carries, couldn't get going. You give him one
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety three yards. Zach Moss played the game
Speaker 3: of his life. I just think that his performance this
Speaker 3: season has been huge because I think he was someone
Speaker 3: we would have just written off a month ago.
Speaker 2: In general, Oh, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson goes down and the diagnosis from the pell
Speaker 3: Raiser is that he's got an ac joint sprain in
Speaker 3: his throwing shoulder.
Speaker 2: MRI to Colm x Rayser negative. I thought the season
Speaker 2: was over when it happened.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 2: But it's like the way he was walking, because we're
Speaker 2: always just like trying to look like when you say
Speaker 2: you see the helmet slam. I think it's like body
Speaker 2: he was telling you something.
Speaker 3: He was just like it was just hat there was
Speaker 3: maybe a broken collar bone was just hanging off his body,
Speaker 3: his arm.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Richardson that makes me nervous because
Speaker 2: obviously the ability to stay on the field, that's a
Speaker 2: skill set, you know. And and like you, this is
Speaker 2: now three separate injuries. There was a lower body injury
Speaker 2: in week one, there was a head injury in week three,
Speaker 2: I believe, and now we have a shoulder injury.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it. He only finished one game. He's played four,
Speaker 4: he's finished one.
Speaker 2: Mark. Did that seem like an especially vicious hit to you?
Speaker 2: That's the thing I think, Yeah, I think it's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it gets me nervous. Is like it's one thing,
Speaker 2: and to get absolutely your clock clean. But it's and
Speaker 2: I didn't follow the college enough to know if this
Speaker 2: was we didn't just Iron have many starts in college,
Speaker 2: too big cycle. I would say this, like if it
Speaker 2: was like the calf thing with Burrow and it's like
Speaker 2: he keeps reaggravating, It's like, all right, well that's it's
Speaker 2: different types of injuries and the body's breaking down in
Speaker 2: different types of ways. They're really lucky because this is
Speaker 2: a watchable, enjoyable team. They're lucky to have some of
Speaker 2: these teams like the there's no one behind Burrow. That's
Speaker 2: why Burrow's playing like they have the Bills. The Bengals
Speaker 2: had these shoddy backup situations. You've got Gardner Minshew, who
Speaker 2: in two relief appearances has thrown for three hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty six yards and a touchdown and gone thirty for
Speaker 2: thirty seven. It's a luxury, yeah, and he like he
Speaker 2: is a fringe starter and he it's not.
Speaker 3: He's such a different player than Richardson obviously, but with
Speaker 3: psychin running the show, you kind of trust that, like
Speaker 3: when Minshew's in there, that they're gonna do things really well.
Speaker 3: Still and There were a couple things about Minshew today
Speaker 3: that I just thought showed me who he is. Like
Speaker 3: they were up twenty to sixteen outside the two minute
Speaker 3: warning and he had a ten yard strike to Alec Pierce,
Speaker 3: who's played a little bit better over these last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks, and Minshew got absolutely rocked on the play
Speaker 3: and he knew it, he knew he was gonna and
Speaker 3: he just did the thing where you're like, I like
Speaker 3: this guy because he stood in the pocket and delivered
Speaker 3: the ball and was I mean, it was like, are
Speaker 3: we gonna lose him too? Because he took the kind
Speaker 3: of hit that does knock a quarterback out. I'll say
Speaker 3: one thing flip side that this like Colts defense. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's DeForest Buckner Zaire Franklin. Today was insane
Speaker 3: and like this defensive front seems to create punishment and
Speaker 3: do something special week after week, and today they handled
Speaker 3: Derek Henry, who last week looked like he was completely reborn.
Speaker 3: Ryan Tannell had a pass or two of his own
Speaker 3: where he does the Ryan Tannehill thing where he got
Speaker 3: absolutely leveled unfurling a shot down field. I always think
Speaker 3: he's courageous and DeAndre Hopkins, who you know, we've sort
Speaker 3: of been waiting for this game.
Speaker 2: Eight catches, one hundred and forty yards, totally unstoppable.
Speaker 3: This was the one where it's like, I think he
Speaker 3: can be I'm not so concerned about their wide receiver
Speaker 3: group in general, because he he looked like the old
Speaker 3: under here.
Speaker 2: There was also a Derek Henry halfback option played the
Speaker 2: goal line where he just missed Hopkins getting his second
Speaker 2: foot down that would have been a touchdown on top
Speaker 2: of it. So yeah, he's not the same nuke anymore,
Speaker 2: but he's definitely an option.
Speaker 4: This is not a Julio Jones situation in Tennessee now,
Speaker 4: I mean this is a throwback type of game.
Speaker 5: He got Julian Blackman, who what three years ago Wes
Speaker 5: was talking about on this podcast, just love and like
Speaker 5: looking like maybe a defensive rookie of the Year type
Speaker 5: of guy and has kind of been in the wilderness
Speaker 5: making a big play and then them, you know, be
Speaker 5: able to run the ball, them stuffing Henry that the
Speaker 5: key sequence was that they had a fourth down in
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. The Titans did fourth and one on
Speaker 5: the Colts five, they stop it and then they basically
Speaker 5: kill the rest of the game on a seven minute
Speaker 5: field goal drive. There was only seven possessions in these games.
Speaker 5: I mean after Minshew came over, they were pretty spotless
Speaker 5: with these long drives. Like Titans on paper have a
Speaker 5: decent defense. They had one putt in this game, and
Speaker 5: they didn't have a turnover, right, and Titans fans that
Speaker 5: the Colts rather only had one punt.
Speaker 2: Titans fans are going to want to make sure we
Speaker 2: mentioned this that that that final field goal drive was
Speaker 2: sustained on a pass interference penalty on Christian Fulton, where
Speaker 2: I thought it was a bad call. He thought it
Speaker 2: was a bad call. In fact, Christian Fulton said after
Speaker 2: the game, I thought it was a bad call. It's
Speaker 2: hard when you got to play against the refs and
Speaker 2: the wide receivers. But that's the life of a dB.
Speaker 2: That was on third and twelve in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: He got tangled up with Michael Pittman. There was some
Speaker 2: contact and that allowed that drive to continue and it
Speaker 2: took a lot of time off the clock and essentially
Speaker 2: ended the game.
Speaker 4: It's tough. You see those calls every week.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I was pitching and moaning about what happened to
Speaker 2: the Jets against the Chiefs last week. I just don't
Speaker 2: like ticky tack, no defensive holding or PI calls in
Speaker 2: the final minutes of games, unless it's something where you
Speaker 2: got to take the laundry out. Look at the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: what happened to the Eagles against.
Speaker 3: The game that was a carbon copy of the Jets
Speaker 3: thing to somebody. And it seems to be dotted to
Speaker 3: cross games on a weekly basis, and you know, we're
Speaker 3: kind of just stuck with the result.
Speaker 5: Curious about the stay in power of these two teams.
Speaker 5: So we'll see like three and two Colts are three
Speaker 5: and two. It's just they're a real team.
Speaker 3: It's such a it's it's disappointing on Richardson because, like
Speaker 3: we said, he is a small sample size in college.
Speaker 4: Well now it's a concern.
Speaker 3: Well now it's like you now, he's only he's gonna
Speaker 3: enter year two with only a very limited amount of Well,
Speaker 3: I'll snap.
Speaker 5: I don't think they're thinking it, you know, by the
Speaker 5: way the reporting is, I don't think they're thinking it's
Speaker 5: season ending, no or anything.
Speaker 2: I was saying that's how it looked at the time.
Speaker 2: The reporting out there rap sheet said that it's an
Speaker 2: ac joint sprain, which is the same thing that Derek
Speaker 2: Carr didn't miss any time with and hopefully it's one
Speaker 2: of those situations. But Derek Carr looked like he was
Speaker 2: in a lot of pain when that happened on the Saints.
Speaker 2: Richardson looked like a guy that was like, yeah, i'll
Speaker 2: see in two months, so we'll see, like how how
Speaker 2: it progresses and how careful they are with him, because yeah,
Speaker 2: this has gotten to the point now where it's a
Speaker 2: major concerned for this team and there's an irony to
Speaker 2: it because we've talked about no one looks more impressive
Speaker 2: physically like to ever play the quarterback position than Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 2: and yet that body is refusing to cooperate.
Speaker 3: One thing I think you have, though, is a it's early,
Speaker 3: but a special coach and Stike and I just there's
Speaker 3: something about this offense, the way it's organized, and they've
Speaker 3: been through a lot and they continue to you.
Speaker 2: Know what else is special?
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel and that offense in Miami correct transition.
Speaker 2: Out to the twenty four yard line in Golden Ocean,
Speaker 2: they give it to Hpe down the sidelight. Nobody's gonna
Speaker 2: get you.
Speaker 4: You don't touch down Miami what great speed. On top
Speaker 4: of that, safety takes a bad ankle on it. I
Speaker 4: think he forgot who he was chasing and trying to tackle.
Speaker 2: What is happening in Miami?
Speaker 4: But what's going on? Old time screams football. I just
Speaker 4: watched the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Beckham documentary on Netflix. David Beckham, the footballer
Speaker 2: from England and he just bought a Miami football team
Speaker 2: for MLS. Pink nets. We're just we're in a whole
Speaker 2: other world down there, so it isn't We've went out
Speaker 2: sepple down there. A lot of great, strange things occurred,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 4: Like the color pink great. Don't don't twist it weird that.
Speaker 2: You thought I was Greg I'm a feminist. How dare
Speaker 2: you call out the pink net. I'm just saying things
Speaker 2: are a little different.
Speaker 5: Down I'm troubled that that's where you think I was
Speaker 5: thinking about. I was thinking about the Beckham he bought
Speaker 5: a team a while ago. You know, give give the
Speaker 5: give the MLS some props.
Speaker 2: That was a good doc though. Check it out. Everybody
Speaker 2: really feel good about the staying power of the posh spice.
Speaker 2: Beckham marriage like a legitimately healthy relationship. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 2: to be good.
Speaker 4: Take there by me.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. Devan a Chains delivered
Speaker 2: once again, zipping through that hole, pay dirt seventy six yards,
Speaker 2: Dolphins cruise thirty one sixteen over the wait for it,
Speaker 2: Moribun New York Giants Mark. Some teams have shown how
Speaker 2: the Dolphins can be slowed, but this version of Big Blue,
Speaker 2: they're not one of those teams.
Speaker 3: No, they had no chance, And I think part of
Speaker 3: it is you got to You gotta give your defense
Speaker 3: a chance by producing on offense and it you know,
Speaker 3: they had eleven sacks on Monday night.
Speaker 2: Less than a week later, they gave it. The Giants
Speaker 2: gave up seven today.
Speaker 3: This is an offensive line that has drafted five linemen
Speaker 3: in the first three rounds since twenty twenty, more than
Speaker 3: anyone league wide, and it does not show they are.
Speaker 2: A raging, boiling mess. Daniel Jones left with a neck
Speaker 2: injury at the end, and it was like, you're kind
Speaker 2: of just wait how long until Daniel Jones is hurt
Speaker 2: because he's getting killed back there TBD on where will
Speaker 2: be with this.
Speaker 4: Getting an MRI?
Speaker 2: I just I mean, I don't know, and then they
Speaker 2: have Tyrod Taylor in there and he's getting killed, and
Speaker 2: it's like this is just not sustainable. And it's like
Speaker 2: you you can blame Brian Dable play calling all this
Speaker 2: other stuff. It's like you can't function, but in general,
Speaker 2: like you can't function when you're watching Miami go up
Speaker 2: and down the field.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're amount, they're huge plays. So today they
Speaker 3: fully amassed after this start of the season and sixty
Speaker 3: eight yards the most by any team through five weeks
Speaker 3: of the season, and at meal history, it was the
Speaker 3: greatest show on turf the two thousand rams that were
Speaker 3: second in that category. And it's real and it's legit,
Speaker 3: and I know what happened against Buffalo, but it's like
Speaker 3: you're not going to take away the speed and the
Speaker 3: big plays. They have seven touchdowns seven touchdown drives this
Speaker 3: season of less than one minute again leads the league. Obviously,
Speaker 3: like they have the seven fastest speeds recorded. We know
Speaker 3: that it was five a couple weeks ago. Now it's seven.
Speaker 7: Dan.
Speaker 2: I know this is not news to you because people
Speaker 2: were tweeting you left and right. But you asked for
Speaker 2: this tweet.
Speaker 4: You asked for it.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: You wanted a player and not a defender or someone
Speaker 3: else but a ball carrier to run twenty two miles
Speaker 3: an hour.
Speaker 2: Fight tweet, Let's fly it up.
Speaker 4: We have that X.
Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't make sense. Let's see Marcel Louis Shasquez.
Speaker 2: Great name, Tyreek kill clearly toy blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He proceeds to hit twenty two point zero one miles
Speaker 2: per hour on that sixty eight yard catch and run.
Speaker 2: He did it, so it wasn't even the a chain score.
Speaker 2: It was Tyreek's catch and run twenty two with the
Speaker 2: ball with the ball, so that was a sixty four
Speaker 2: yard Yet back to me, when you have the ball
Speaker 2: behind the line of and then you get through your demand,
Speaker 2: then you break into your old hands. We'll cease at
Speaker 2: this point because they you it was a very specific Honestly,
Speaker 2: congratulations because hashtag twenty two is something I've been waiting for. Well,
Speaker 2: you got it, and apparently were he moster. Again, I
Speaker 2: did get a lot of tweets about this. Against the
Speaker 2: Jets a few years ago hit twenty three, So now
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, if that was already done like multiple
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 4: I don't care about twenty two. Get me another twenty. Well,
Speaker 4: they're lucky Moster didn't do it today.
Speaker 3: I mean, he'll had another sixty nine yard time down
Speaker 3: a Chan had that seventy six yards like eight Chan
Speaker 3: right now, you didn't even play the first week. Four
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty yards off of thirty eight carries. This
Speaker 3: is a This isn't like some This isn't some freak
Speaker 3: wide receiver that had three carries. He's I think like
Speaker 3: twenty five more people have more carries in him, but
Speaker 3: he has four hundred and sixty yards.
Speaker 2: He's averaging twelve point one yards per carry.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and I do think Mike McDaniel, they keept
Speaker 3: asking about these stats in the in the post game.
Speaker 2: Here's what you had to.
Speaker 15: Say, mission accomplished. We had the whole time, the whole offseason.
Speaker 15: All that was our goal was output after five games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it speaks to what what.
Speaker 15: The what the group is capable of.
Speaker 4: But you need that expression.
Speaker 15: And dead you're You're honored to be in the same
Speaker 15: breath for any statistical.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's by the way, it's not not a record, okay,
Speaker 5: it's it's a stat it's not a record, it's a wow.
Speaker 5: They broke the record for most yards in a after
Speaker 5: five games, Like, that's not a record.
Speaker 4: That's a stack stop.
Speaker 2: It's such allude about them.
Speaker 4: I've seen this too, Like they actually made a big
Speaker 4: deal about it.
Speaker 2: You hate all early season thing.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no no, because you could
Speaker 5: you could say, like, it's not a stat talk it's
Speaker 5: it's not a thing of like he you did this,
Speaker 5: this is the most after week six, that's a record.
Speaker 2: No, it's just a stat after week six. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's not like a measuring stick.
Speaker 2: People explos It is not like.
Speaker 5: Literally anyone in the world, including the Rams wherever, you know,
Speaker 5: conscious of that.
Speaker 4: Before this week they almost made a big deal out
Speaker 4: of the c. J.
Speaker 5: Stroud, like you know, he broke the rookie interception list
Speaker 5: streak and even that like they said and in this
Speaker 5: in the in the record is broken and it was
Speaker 5: literally on a.
Speaker 4: Throw out of it on record.
Speaker 2: Either got a real yes, who the hell do you
Speaker 2: think you are? Not a record that that that's a
Speaker 2: good question. Can I mention one quick thing their records
Speaker 2: to me? I think it's it's a fair thing to
Speaker 2: point out. Would you rather they don't point it out
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 5: Absolutely point out, Just don't use the word does, don't
Speaker 5: use the word record.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, at this point after five weeks, they
Speaker 3: metrically sit in a certain position compared to teams superior
Speaker 3: in the game.
Speaker 5: That way, you said it that way, you could just
Speaker 5: say they have the most yards in history, and I
Speaker 5: will say that's what he said, mister brownie.
Speaker 2: You are no fun at all. I can't say it.
Speaker 2: I'm notchoing Mike McDaniel here. I think you are to
Speaker 2: some degree.
Speaker 3: I will say, like Tua had a little bit of
Speaker 3: trouble in this game real quick, like h Hand did
Speaker 3: fumble in this but then they got reel down, they
Speaker 3: got down to close to the goal line and there
Speaker 3: was one hundred and two yard pick six by Jason
Speaker 3: Pennock and the Giants, and they also had another bad pick.
Speaker 2: It doesn't that's not The Giants before this game had
Speaker 2: not did not have one takeaway.
Speaker 3: I stink they are You want to talk about metrics
Speaker 3: through four or five weeks, Greg, you know they got
Speaker 3: he doesn't.
Speaker 4: I know, Well, if you did, I like to talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Just He's like oh, we're talking about the giant setting
Speaker 2: records for futility.
Speaker 4: I'm all into it. Let's hear them get that haystacks.
Speaker 5: You know, get that all right, Like I can't wait
Speaker 5: till you break the record for sacks like between weeks
Speaker 5: three and five. That's that's what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 5: it's not a record. That was mc dato's whole response.
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, thanks, you know on my.
Speaker 2: Uh uh New York New Yorker's chain. Got more than
Speaker 2: a couple buddies that are die hard fans. They're still
Speaker 2: watching these games. No got the old I'm not watching, yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's like it's got tough fun. That's how quickly
Speaker 2: and how bad it's gotten.
Speaker 5: They might be the worst team in the in the NFL,
Speaker 5: But there's there's another option there.
Speaker 4: I was gotta say they're they're a long time.
Speaker 2: I have another team I might bring up. They could
Speaker 2: potentially there's a reason they got the the the coveted
Speaker 2: title in reverse of first to be called moribund on
Speaker 2: ATM because it's been that bad a start. They've been
Speaker 2: a stunningly terrible start. Even people like you Greg that
Speaker 2: weren't very high on them, entering the season. You didn't
Speaker 2: predict them to be now laughably terrible, And I.
Speaker 4: Did take I did take them in my over under
Speaker 4: wins lost draft.
Speaker 2: I'm going to see.
Speaker 4: Seven and a half feeling good.
Speaker 3: I'm going to data wipe this file on NFL dot
Speaker 3: com one way or another, going to the you know
Speaker 3: the where did you have them going to the wild
Speaker 3: card game?
Speaker 2: Oh that's not too bad, it's not too great. It's
Speaker 2: not looking like a great prediction right now.
Speaker 4: Good day for the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Suit.
Speaker 5: It's like, you get to see the Bills lose early,
Speaker 5: you get the cruise, you get first place.
Speaker 2: Our buddy, yeah, our buddy Connor. We won't talk about
Speaker 2: the Patriots later, but he wrote an apology column. Well,
Speaker 2: let's let's save it for that icy hot take on
Speaker 2: the Pats. All right, let's before we get to that,
Speaker 2: let's move to Mile High State. You know what happened
Speaker 2: in Mile High Stadium? An entire organization declared vengeance.
Speaker 4: Upon smug little man on the side. It's a mile high.
Speaker 1: Forty one seconds remaining second and ten Denver at their
Speaker 1: own forty one yard line. They still have one time out.
Speaker 1: The Jets again show blitz Russell Wilson in the shotgun.
Speaker 1: Are the Jets gonna bring pressure? Guess they will.
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson being chased, He'll be sacked.
Speaker 2: The ball pops out, loose the buck get it.
Speaker 4: Let's stood up. Bryce Hall runs down the right sideline
Speaker 4: at the.
Speaker 14: Ten five touchdown we go as the ruling on the
Speaker 14: field was a fundle by Russell Wilson off the pressure
Speaker 14: from Quincy Williams, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Quincy knocked the ball out. It was stooped up by
Speaker 1: Bryce Hall. He took at the distance. The Jet defense
Speaker 1: scores to put this game away.
Speaker 13: Whooooo up Bungos, it well deserved.
Speaker 4: Eric has out of Baker's host happy.
Speaker 2: Oh I think the bongos are going out to Nate Haacke. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did you see and throw it up on there for
Speaker 2: the YouTube viewers. Did you see Nate Hackett glowing on
Speaker 2: the sidelines at the end of the game. And it's
Speaker 2: not even like the Jets offense balled out and exposed
Speaker 2: John Payton for a lot of the criticisms with Hackett
Speaker 2: and what he did in Denver last year, but look
Speaker 2: at he's like a boy on Christmas's Peyton eating dirt like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going six feet under the ground before Halloween and
Speaker 2: look at him and everyone coming up to Nathaniel Hackett,
Speaker 2: who who was targeted unjust unfairly bite Peyton when Peyton
Speaker 2: was feeling himself in the summer, and things have a
Speaker 2: way of coming back to bite you when you do that.
Speaker 2: Because the Jets score a thirty one to twenty one
Speaker 2: win over the Broncos at Mile High, a win that
Speaker 2: gets the Jets to two and three, and all things considered,
Speaker 2: and the absolute disaster of Aaron Rodgers in Week one,
Speaker 2: getting out of these first five games with two wins,
Speaker 2: it keeps them relevant in the AFC picture as we
Speaker 2: get closer to the middle of October, because if they
Speaker 2: don't find a way in this game, wrap it up,
Speaker 2: they get the Eagles next week and it gets dark,
Speaker 2: very dark. But they did find a way and Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson was not very I want to say he was
Speaker 2: terrible in this game.
Speaker 4: Non competitive.
Speaker 2: He made some throws, but he also had a brutal
Speaker 2: interception that led to eventually that big Quincy Williams sack.
Speaker 2: But it opened the door for the Broncos to steal
Speaker 2: this game. After the Jets had it in control with
Speaker 2: a big third quarter. But he did hit a couple
Speaker 2: throws in this game and in general wasn't completely lost
Speaker 2: at Sea, but he's still a major problem.
Speaker 4: The thing here is Breeze Hall, who.
Speaker 2: You know, the best story around this Jets team is
Speaker 2: that Breeze Hall is fully back from the knee injury
Speaker 2: he suffered in Denver one year ago. He had a
Speaker 2: seventy two yard touchdown. And as I was watching the
Speaker 2: highlight of the Brissall touchdown, boys, I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: been watching the Jets for you know, thirty plus years,
Speaker 2: but then I was thinking, I know the history of
Speaker 2: the team as well. Has there ever been a running
Speaker 2: back like Briste Hall like the on the in the
Speaker 2: history of the organization that's this explosive, this fast, this
Speaker 2: type of game changer. Because when you guys watch this game,
Speaker 2: you'll see there are I'm gonna say, maybe up to
Speaker 2: five plays before he busts this one where he just
Speaker 2: missed it. He just misses it. He just missed one
Speaker 2: last week against Kansas City, and you're thinking, man, he
Speaker 2: keeps putting himself in position to just roll out these
Speaker 2: monster plays and he's now hit on a couple of
Speaker 2: them this year, and so he finishes with one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy seven yards on the ground. And the Jets defense,
Speaker 2: which has been good, Greg, as you've been pounding the drum,
Speaker 2: and you're right about it. Good better than great.
Speaker 4: This year.
Speaker 2: They failed to test in Week one when they had
Speaker 2: a chance to close out the Bills on the last
Speaker 2: drive of regulation and gave up the field goal their
Speaker 2: test here in Denver. But this time they step up
Speaker 2: and it's Quincy Williams and Bryce Hall to get the
Speaker 2: job done.
Speaker 5: Quincy Williams has been a revelation to me, not to
Speaker 5: Joe Douglas and the Jets give them credit, you get
Speaker 5: They gave him a contract this offseason that I thought, hmm,
Speaker 5: that's surprised. They just that's surprising because I thought he
Speaker 5: was good and bad last year. It kind of reminds
Speaker 5: me of like a Kuwan Alexander type where he makes
Speaker 5: huge game changing plays, but he gives him up too.
Speaker 4: And this year he's a pro bowler.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been a beast couple of sacks in
Speaker 5: this game and they sent pressure late and that's one
Speaker 5: of the I want to get back to Breesaw. But
Speaker 5: while we're talking Quincy, like, that's one thing I'll remember
Speaker 5: from this game is how they sent pressure a couple
Speaker 5: times on that last drive. And you saw this exchange
Speaker 5: after Quincy Williams gets the sack, uh and Sean Payton
Speaker 5: talking to Russell Wilson and some amateur lip readers out
Speaker 5: there thought he said to Russell Wilson like the running
Speaker 5: back was the hot running back was was the the
Speaker 5: where you want to get? And twice on that drive,
Speaker 5: the Jets confused Russell Wilson where he didn't know where
Speaker 5: to throw the ball quickly, and that's been a problem
Speaker 5: for him for his whole career.
Speaker 4: Give credit to the Jets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like their strengths are still their strengths. They've been
Speaker 3: through obviously total darkness and chaos and had their season
Speaker 3: kind of tossed up thunder, but the defensive line comes
Speaker 3: in waves and it's like what happened today shows you
Speaker 3: what they can be. And like Breese hall is, I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess I could point to like Curtis Martin as
Speaker 3: a true Jets hero.
Speaker 2: I love Curtis Martin, He's one of the best Runner're
Speaker 2: not the same player generation, but he didn't have that Joy.
Speaker 4: Was the player. He reminds me most.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about this today in the NFL actually
Speaker 5: as a former Jet as well. It was not the
Speaker 5: same when he was on the Jets, Chris Johnson. That's
Speaker 5: because it's it's that feeling with it's kind of that
Speaker 5: feeling where that went because he had one hundred what
Speaker 5: did he have in this game?
Speaker 4: And seventy seven he had over.
Speaker 5: One hundred yards even if you took out that seventy
Speaker 5: two or eight nine, and it's just you're right, it
Speaker 5: felt like when they're getting by the ankles, like ooh,
Speaker 5: that was almost thirty five.
Speaker 4: And that's what Chris John's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this like like this thing and it's not
Speaker 3: it's not because to your team, Den, but like, so
Speaker 3: you lose Elijah vera Tucker for part of this game,
Speaker 3: a Kai becktens in and out of the lineup, Joe
Speaker 3: Tipman gets hurt. You're don't have a go offensive line
Speaker 3: to begin with, and it's like to.
Speaker 2: Do what they did with a with a really shaky
Speaker 2: quarterback play and it's like they had the drive where
Speaker 2: like you know, Zack Wilson doesn't even get the ball
Speaker 2: off before it was with the half and lately, you know,
Speaker 2: there's these these you gotta get around this and I
Speaker 2: do think that like Nathaniel Hackett is there's nothing about
Speaker 2: him that says, hey, wow, this is a super creative
Speaker 2: approach to attacking opponents in the ball and like it's not.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what huge incredible strength he brings to
Speaker 2: the team, but there's something I like about this team
Speaker 2: and like I have to say, well, I think it's
Speaker 2: his personality.
Speaker 3: I really need to love him. And it's like to
Speaker 3: see all those people coming up to him at the
Speaker 3: end of this game, everybody. I mean, it's like he
Speaker 3: had he had EyeBlack on his cheek because players were
Speaker 3: just hugging him, like face to face and they adore him,
Speaker 3: and like, you know, whatever happens to this Jets team
Speaker 3: there there's just these things to like about him this season.
Speaker 3: And I think they are resilient and they could have
Speaker 3: completely mailed it in I see a completely different opposite effect.
Speaker 2: In general, their efforts very high.
Speaker 3: They're using their strengths and I don't know, they hard
Speaker 3: not to root for, and it's like I kind of
Speaker 3: you know what, Sean Payton, it's like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to judge him, like we all make mistakes and do
Speaker 3: stuff like that, but he created him a villainous element
Speaker 3: for himself. I wasn't necessarily rooting for against Sean Payton,
Speaker 3: but it's like in this game, who's rooting for Sean
Speaker 3: Payton us out of a Broncos fan. It's like you
Speaker 3: went and completely shot down someone in their effort, a
Speaker 3: fellow coach. They're not trying to be precious about it,
Speaker 3: but like, the right people won today.
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson on Nathaniel Hackett right.
Speaker 12: Here, told us that Hackett got a game ball.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: I know you had just touched on it a minute ago,
Speaker 1: but were there any cool scenes in the locker room afterwards.
Speaker 9: If you could describe if you had any interaction with
Speaker 9: him and then celebratory.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you could see the emotion on his face
Speaker 11: a little bit, and he's trying not to show it,
Speaker 11: but we all give him a big hug, told him,
Speaker 11: we love him, told him.
Speaker 4: We're grateful to have him here, and it means a
Speaker 4: lot to us. Obviously, winnings hard in this league, so
Speaker 4: that's that's first and foremost.
Speaker 15: But but you know, obviously how things went for him
Speaker 15: this past year.
Speaker 4: It's tough.
Speaker 2: So you know, it means a lot Denver and four
Speaker 2: zero and three at home at Kansas City next week
Speaker 2: home against Packers.
Speaker 3: It's not been a good it's not been a good
Speaker 3: couple of years for Broncos season ticket holder.
Speaker 2: It's been a little, a little rough. I know, people
Speaker 2: that schedule is streaming one in eight right now, and.
Speaker 5: Uh, they're gonna be mentioned with teams that are gonna
Speaker 5: trade players. They traded Randy Gregory and now we're gonna
Speaker 5: hear that, you know, our guy you round for Kevin Saunders, right,
Speaker 5: Kevin Saunders back in the mix?
Speaker 2: Uh, players that he went and got Kevin Saunders.
Speaker 5: Right, And then you know I saw Ian said, well,
Speaker 5: Frank Clark could be available. It's like, ooh yeah, It's
Speaker 5: like you think it's like a player that was available
Speaker 5: in August that no one wanted then.
Speaker 2: And hasn't had, you know, hasn't been health right quite Frankly, like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of hearing that Jerry Judy and Courtland
Speaker 2: Sutton could be had. I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I'm not they don't have the same shine to me.
Speaker 2: That they did a couple of years.
Speaker 5: But Jerry Judy on the Chiefs and it'll suddenly be
Speaker 5: catching like a third and twenty to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Probably probably okay, nice though, Zach Wilson is still a
Speaker 2: quarterback that you have to hide and that doesn't work
Speaker 2: in the league. Oh here's a Jets troll by the
Speaker 2: way on Twitter, the old seven James.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Everybody had a good time at Sean Payton's expense, but
Speaker 2: the Jets still have a problem at quarterback, and that
Speaker 2: is something to keep an eye on. But two and three,
Speaker 2: given everything, I would take it. Let's move on to
Speaker 2: the one team the Jets will never be able to beat.
Speaker 2: The New England Patriots once again had their hands full,
Speaker 2: this time against the Saints.
Speaker 4: Empty back field for Mac Jones.
Speaker 8: That now brings Stevenson to his left and how to
Speaker 8: move a few people around.
Speaker 4: Takes the snap out of the shotguns Saints Spring four
Speaker 4: and Car's Tyre Matthew fifteen ten. He will walk into
Speaker 4: the in zone pick six for the Saints. That's how
Speaker 4: you do it.
Speaker 1: Don't land on your offense, look the defense do it.
Speaker 4: That is the first pick six for Mac Jones and
Speaker 4: this is week.
Speaker 2: Five, man. I know you're not gonna believe it, Greg,
Speaker 2: but that they show that cut to Belichick on the
Speaker 2: sideline and maybe it's just looks like the passing of youth.
Speaker 2: And yes, it's weird to see Belichick look confused and
Speaker 2: helpless on the slide sideline. Because everybody has a party
Speaker 2: when they play the Patriots these days on Sunday at
Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium. Who's a Saints turn? Tyron Matthew scored the
Speaker 2: start of the scoring with a pick six of Mac
Speaker 2: Jones and Alvin Kamara rush for a touchdown. Dark car
Speaker 2: through two touchdowns and a thirty four zip wow hasting
Speaker 2: of the erstwhile thrown at ease. God dang, Greg mark down.
Speaker 2: Another win for the iconic Flashpoint Focus series. The Patriots
Speaker 2: ineptitude will be one of the biggest stories in football
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 4: I think that is the main takeaway here. You guys
Speaker 4: have done it again.
Speaker 2: Hit it, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I do appreciate though, that you recognize my efforts as
Speaker 5: an associate producer on this last episode.
Speaker 4: And I suggested Tom, wait, what was that?
Speaker 2: Did you just give yourself a title?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, associate producer that's that that bonus money that hit
Speaker 5: During the podcast, you were like, they were like, great
Speaker 5: job getting Tom Kurrn whanted to do the Patriots.
Speaker 4: That's I appreciate that. Guys.
Speaker 2: What's another title? I mean that feels strong? Aggressive?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, like, you know, quality control, assistant, a assistant,
Speaker 3: best boy, best boy.
Speaker 5: That's how Josh McDaniel started. Look at him now, JR
Speaker 5: grip before we get to the junior grip.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: The Patriots total mess and we can get there. I
Speaker 4: do find it.
Speaker 5: Funny frankly that I think Pete Carmichael, the Saints offensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: was pressured by Saints fans and media into updating to
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three this week that he was destroyed locally
Speaker 5: for just running this old school offense. And they literally
Speaker 5: asked him in the press like how come you never
Speaker 5: use any motion and he was just.
Speaker 4: Like, actually that's what he was, just like, actually we can.
Speaker 4: That's in the offense. I just never call it that.
Speaker 2: That's on me.
Speaker 4: And he listened to him.
Speaker 5: In this entire game, if they're going motion crazy, they
Speaker 5: were lasting the league on motion and like all their
Speaker 5: touchdowns were set up by motion.
Speaker 2: No that's okay, by the way, Like I'm saying, it's
Speaker 2: not what you want in your your coach, because you
Speaker 2: want them to be ahead of the game like you
Speaker 2: are with a flashboint focus. But it's also a good
Speaker 2: sign that you're open to ideas wherever they may come.
Speaker 2: He also didn't really want to be the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: That was the reporting.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's always like been kind of whispered, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, I think he was happy to get suggestions.
Speaker 5: And look, your defense has to be pretty great to
Speaker 5: win thirty four to nothing on a day, you probably
Speaker 5: got like a B minus C plus Derek Carr. It
Speaker 5: really be mina C plus offense and they just call
Speaker 5: it Derek. They got a million chances and they had
Speaker 5: three hundred and four yards, and yet they were so
Speaker 5: dominant defensively, only gave up eight first. Carl Granderson, who
Speaker 5: got a contract extension during the season, has been incredible,
Speaker 5: and I think the Saints are built for this matchup.
Speaker 5: Here's what they're built for, to swallow up bad passing
Speaker 5: teams because their secondary I think their cornerbacks are elite,
Speaker 5: so they can play well from ahead against mediocre to
Speaker 5: poor opponents and kind of stomp on team. They remind
Speaker 5: me a little bit of last year's Patriots. I think
Speaker 5: they have a little higher upside than that, but where
Speaker 5: when they play a bad offense, they can just make
Speaker 5: them look ridiculously bad.
Speaker 4: Mark, do you want to hear mac Jones on Slow
Speaker 4: Start or Belichick? Mac Jones is still our quarterback?
Speaker 2: Well, I want to hear Belichick.
Speaker 4: Okay, Bill, Bill.
Speaker 8: Won't ruin into the decision to sit down back there
Speaker 8: in the understand it was again the reporter, so they
Speaker 8: got this, he's still your quarterback going forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of problems that certainly wasn't on him.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And you know, you know, flashing back
Speaker 2: to Tom Current on the show, you know, Bill, he's
Speaker 2: he's besieged right now. It's like coming from all angles.
Speaker 2: And now he's after years of almost having the upper
Speaker 2: hand on the media because no matter what they would
Speaker 2: say to him, he could just point to all the
Speaker 2: rings and everything.
Speaker 4: But now it's just.
Speaker 2: Feels like he's he's trying to he's left to answer
Speaker 2: things that it's clear he doesn't have any answers right now.
Speaker 4: And then the Patriots are lost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you've been outscored sixty nine to three
Speaker 3: in the last two outings, which is like a shocking
Speaker 3: I in.
Speaker 4: One of those was against the Saints, Yes, Saints.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm really like with you, Dan on like
Speaker 3: the fact I don't particularly take any joy or entertainment
Speaker 3: from it on some level in the sense that like
Speaker 3: the look on his face right there, and if you
Speaker 3: see it on the YouTube, like it looks like a
Speaker 3: man who's lost, and like, you have a coaching staff
Speaker 3: that is like smaller than any other coaching staff in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 2: You're the GM. You've created this punchless offense.
Speaker 4: It's on you.
Speaker 2: It's fully on you.
Speaker 3: And like I think that it's an interesting historical point
Speaker 3: in time as a football fan or to watch a
Speaker 3: watcher of the sport to see what is, without question,
Speaker 3: in my mind, the greatest football coach of all time
Speaker 3: going through this totally dark period and to the point
Speaker 3: of the flashpoint segment, like we're asking openly asking if
Speaker 3: he'll be here after the season, and like I'm at
Speaker 3: I'm at the point with the flashpoint thing that we
Speaker 3: could literally pick any topic and do it again this
Speaker 3: week and it would become something massive by next Sunday night.
Speaker 2: It's that pression.
Speaker 3: It's that on point and like, you know, we we
Speaker 3: dealed up our topic and then now it is a
Speaker 3: national firestorm in the media.
Speaker 4: We should we should test that theory out. I don't
Speaker 4: know how. We'll have to pick a very arcane topic
Speaker 4: like we should. We did we?
Speaker 2: Uh. My boys love watching Uh. They they became baseball
Speaker 2: fans this year, and we watched the MLB app a lot.
Speaker 2: And They'll be like in the next room playing Nintendo,
Speaker 2: and I'll be watching a game, and so we will
Speaker 2: hit a home run and then I'll quietly rewind it
Speaker 2: back forty seconds and then I'll say, guys, come in here.
Speaker 2: And then I'll say, I say, guys, I got I
Speaker 2: got a feeling again. And then I go, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a pull from the old Pee Wee's Playhouse. Rest
Speaker 2: in Peace. Paul Rubens mechalka high and mecha heiny ho,
Speaker 2: mechaca high and like a chiny ho. And then Gene
Speaker 2: Carlos Stanton hits one five hundred and twelve feet and
Speaker 2: it works. They're still into it.
Speaker 4: They believe.
Speaker 2: See, you know, your.
Speaker 3: Dad did not have this technology to h I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say trick, but it is tricking you into thinking he
Speaker 3: had a superpower.
Speaker 2: Keith didn't have that that gene at all to do
Speaker 2: anything like that. Even if Danny get over here scram
Speaker 2: like to take the VCR back. I don't even know
Speaker 2: what that ties into the point we were making. But yeah,
Speaker 2: because like you.
Speaker 3: Are creating these moments with a you have a psychic
Speaker 3: almost an esp type element, and we do with our.
Speaker 5: Whole We actually do in this case we do, yes absolutely,
Speaker 5: and Greg too to some degree. Yeah, you know, associate
Speaker 5: producers matter too. Grip, I like everyone's gonna talk about
Speaker 5: Max sistem to the junior Grip and Mac Jones is
Speaker 5: playing some really dumb football. The pick six comes on
Speaker 5: where he's trying, He's trying to make too many plays.
Speaker 5: He's making it worse. He's falling apart obviously. But the
Speaker 5: reason that I'm so convinced Belichick is losing it Slash
Speaker 5: has lost it is not Mac Jones. It's that their
Speaker 5: special teams is maybe the worst in the NFL. That's
Speaker 5: he's poured so much money into the special teams and
Speaker 5: that's his baby, that's his thing. Like we're gonna be
Speaker 5: better on the details. I think they were thirty first
Speaker 5: or thirty second d VOI heading into this week. They
Speaker 5: got rid of Nick Folk, for instance, and their rookie
Speaker 5: kicker miss you know Yanks another kick when this game
Speaker 5: was relatively a game. At this point, their rookie punter
Speaker 5: is a disaster. All their return units, like coverage units,
Speaker 5: are disasters. Their offensive line since Scarnekiatless, has been a
Speaker 5: total abomination. They're right tackles right now, they're low Verderian
Speaker 5: Lowe who's just getting mac and Bailey Zappy just killed
Speaker 5: like his unplayable. Their offensive line is one of the
Speaker 5: very worst. So these are the things that they were
Speaker 5: so good at. Line play, special teams details where it's
Speaker 5: like that's just as bad as the more higher level stuff,
Speaker 5: and it's just as bad as any team in the league,
Speaker 5: And that to me is a sign that they go Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think Matt Patricia has too much respect
Speaker 2: and love for Bill to be dancing in his home
Speaker 2: wherever or wherever he is.
Speaker 4: Where's he know, he's on a sideline somewhere, right. I
Speaker 4: think he's like a special assistant to the Eagles.
Speaker 2: But it did kind of I was thinking about that
Speaker 2: as like Pittsburgh fans were coming at me also that
Speaker 2: sometimes you just point to the scheme or the coordinator
Speaker 2: and you put all the blame on that, and then
Speaker 2: you see, like as the Patriots as an example, sometimes
Speaker 2: it's more than that. It's not just the play caller
Speaker 2: of the scheme. There are more issues, and we're seeing
Speaker 2: New England has issues that go very deep.
Speaker 5: Right, there's no roots, there's I don't know what they
Speaker 5: do either. Because they brought into Billy Zappi these last
Speaker 5: two weeks, Zambi was worse. You know, if like Zabi
Speaker 5: had done well in this game, people had been like, oh,
Speaker 5: it was just garbage type, but actually he went for
Speaker 5: he went three for nine for twenty two yards, and
Speaker 5: like went backwards and and all this stuff to what
Speaker 5: very quickly. Congrats to Alvin Kamara is the all time
Speaker 5: leader in Saint's touchdowns.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. That's a long history, asked Marcus Colston.
Speaker 2: And I'm Jordan is the all time sack leader. They
Speaker 2: got two like Saints legends playing on that team.
Speaker 5: And I got some tweets or at least this one
Speaker 5: that asked Mark, can the Saints the Orlands Saints get
Speaker 5: their new back after winning thirty four to nothing.
Speaker 2: They get the New Orleans they're tied for.
Speaker 3: That was like the New Bowl. Yeah yeah, Orleans for
Speaker 3: now the England we remain. I'm sorry to London, but
Speaker 3: let's the England Patriots right.
Speaker 4: Now we're trading you.
Speaker 2: I don't know why is they careful? Suddenly they got
Speaker 2: a plane in shure. I'll revise that probably before Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: All right, let's head to Detroit where the Lions look
Speaker 2: to keep things rolling off the.
Speaker 12: Takeaway gadget play they're gonna go with the fleet clicker.
Speaker 2: Goft growth man what open.
Speaker 16: Touch down Detroit Lions, Sam Laporta, razzle, dazzle and six
Speaker 16: on the board. Who then, I know it's getting close
Speaker 16: to Halloween. I know we like to play tricks. That
Speaker 16: was some tricker rasio.
Speaker 1: Right now, Dan Johnson, he's coming with them, coming with
Speaker 1: them today.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you heard Dan Miller. There was Lomas Brown
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Dan Miller.
Speaker 2: I brought this up before, but for my Pain ranking
Speaker 2: series on NFL dot Com, I picked one figure connected
Speaker 2: to the team to interview as part of the article,
Speaker 2: and I spoke with Dan Miller and it was about
Speaker 2: all the sadness and all the badness and all the
Speaker 2: pain of the franchise and people connected to it, and
Speaker 2: he couldn't have been a nicer guy. And you hear
Speaker 2: you hear his voice on that call, and what a
Speaker 2: party it is to be part of the Lions as
Speaker 2: a fan, as the play by play man, as the
Speaker 2: color guy.
Speaker 4: You gotta love it.
Speaker 2: Jared Goff through three touchdown passes in the first half,
Speaker 2: ran for another score and in the fourth quarter, Man,
Speaker 2: he's got fleet feet now too, and the Lions cruise
Speaker 2: forty two twenty four over the hapless Panthers. Mark Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell's team is telling us every week they're not just
Speaker 2: some cute underdog anymore. They are are truly well lion.
Speaker 2: Oh they are.
Speaker 3: There's the joy coming from them and they you know,
Speaker 3: this is three straight wins of fourteen plus points. It
Speaker 3: was a dominant crushing of Carolina. Not a good team,
Speaker 3: but like they went and blew their doors off, and
Speaker 3: I kind of get the sense they're like kind of
Speaker 3: just coming into focus.
Speaker 2: We're just starting to see what they can become. Even
Speaker 2: this year you have done.
Speaker 3: You're watching this team transform and I think GM Brad Holmes,
Speaker 3: I don't know what he learned under less sneed in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. But like I know, the LA's like we
Speaker 3: refuse to draft players. We don't really operate in the
Speaker 3: draft for the most part. Like Sam Laporta three catches,
Speaker 3: forty seven yards, two touchdowns today. Jack Campbell week after
Speaker 3: week is doing something special. It's like everyone was laughing
Speaker 3: at that draft pick you brought in. Josh Reynolds from
Speaker 3: the Rams.
Speaker 2: Goff soul teammate played a huge role today with i'man
Speaker 2: ross Saint Brown out of the lineup, Jamior Gibbs out
Speaker 2: of the lineup.
Speaker 5: You've had so many injuries, That's what part of it.
Speaker 5: It's like they're so reciently being as injured almost as
Speaker 5: any team in the league.
Speaker 2: Right you don't have you don't have Gibbs.
Speaker 3: Dave Montgomery coming off a great week last week, one
Speaker 3: hundred and nine yards today, a touchdown dominant. Jared Goff
Speaker 3: twenty two for twenty eight for two hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: six yards and three touchdowns. It is like a campaign,
Speaker 3: a beautiful revenge for Jared Goff. And I'm kind of
Speaker 3: over whatever I thought of him before because we stayed
Speaker 3: up the week after week. He fits like a puzzle
Speaker 3: piece in this offense. And then you just go and
Speaker 3: look at someone like Aiden Hutchinson, who had a masterful
Speaker 3: interception on like a tight end screen type today where
Speaker 3: he made Bryce Lung let Bryce Young look silly and
Speaker 3: not able to see the field. And that's a whole
Speaker 3: different part of this conversation. I'll mention one thing that
Speaker 3: Chandlers have all of the rookie guard went down with.
Speaker 3: He went to the hospital with a neck injury. I
Speaker 3: don't know where we're at with that, but it was
Speaker 3: one of those things that looked very very scary out
Speaker 3: of the gate, and the game paused for a while
Speaker 3: and he gave a thumbs up as he was leaving
Speaker 3: the field, so hopefully he'll be all right. But this
Speaker 3: Lion's team, Wow, I just I honestly think that they're
Speaker 3: this They're not a sleeping giant we were seeing it.
Speaker 4: They're here, They're they're right there at the top of
Speaker 4: the NFC.
Speaker 5: I mean, the guy that the good teams in the
Speaker 5: NFC are really good, but but they're one of them
Speaker 5: coming out of the gates. And again I'm also the
Speaker 5: one that says like September is not gonna matter that much.
Speaker 5: In the long run, and they're building up and we'll
Speaker 5: see if they can keep it going. The schedule has
Speaker 5: definitely helped them out, but that's that's the best sign
Speaker 5: of a great team, to survive injuries and to beat
Speaker 5: bad opponents and to start mixing in new stars like
Speaker 5: Alee McNeill has been playing really well. He had a
Speaker 5: force fumble in this game. They tried to get Jamison
Speaker 5: Williams involved and it was kind of a disaster. That's
Speaker 5: maybe the only flight in the arrestor Oh, yeah, he
Speaker 5: had a big drop. They had three targets two yards. Yeah,
Speaker 5: disasters maybe overstadium, but a big time drop.
Speaker 4: All right, anything else on the on the Panthers side,
Speaker 4: it's just you know, more the same there.
Speaker 3: Just like I'm waiting to see it with Bryce Young
Speaker 3: and I keep like the kind of the comment about
Speaker 3: him is like, well, you see it in little moments.
Speaker 3: It's like, I guess, I'm just I'm not. I mean,
Speaker 3: the interception by Hutchinson was just a bad look. He
Speaker 3: had a terrible read on a second pick and I
Speaker 3: mean he look at the team around him is a
Speaker 3: mess on offense and in the offensive line is not good.
Speaker 3: But it's like even if all that were the case,
Speaker 3: if he were like when we were looking at like
Speaker 3: an Anthony Richardson, you still see these special qualities and
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for it.
Speaker 2: It was kismet for Aida Hutchinson to end up where
Speaker 2: he was where he ended up, you know, as a
Speaker 2: Michigan guy and all that. It's amazing. Like he he
Speaker 2: has a lot of interceptions in his career.
Speaker 5: I know he is the most in three is or
Speaker 5: whatever it is, three or four is the most in
Speaker 5: NFL history through two years from a defensive linement.
Speaker 4: That count. That's a stat but it's not a record. God,
Speaker 4: I don't think that's not a record. I just want
Speaker 4: to rip this table.
Speaker 5: I can imagine with me, Well, like it is a
Speaker 5: great record, but I really consider the most important record
Speaker 5: like that the defensive lineman who has the most interceptions
Speaker 5: through year four of his career.
Speaker 4: Wow, what a record that is for right, But even
Speaker 4: from it a front, nobody knows, nobody knows who has
Speaker 4: read any of.
Speaker 3: That, even from your your to your conceit about this
Speaker 3: whole thing, even that wouldn't have any meaning.
Speaker 4: That was my joke.
Speaker 2: That was the point. That was the joke.
Speaker 4: Now, I had to explain it.
Speaker 2: That was That was it. I'm just taking Greg seriously
Speaker 2: because I feel like so heavily.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, I feel bad this this Panthers
Speaker 4: theme is said.
Speaker 2: All right, let us head to one more game, and
Speaker 2: it's the game everybody was waiting for. Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4: Niners, Cowboys. You Jonathan Hankins right in the A gap year.
Speaker 2: What was he gonna do here on third gun into one?
Speaker 12: I can guess like a give it now, it's a
Speaker 12: play action perty gonna roll left throw for the end
Speaker 12: zone by George Kettle. He has the hat trick tonight,
Speaker 12: the career high three touchdown catches for George touchdown.
Speaker 4: Sat Francisco, Greg Papa.
Speaker 2: Forty nine Ers radio man. We've been hearing a lot
Speaker 2: from Greg the last few years because the forty nine
Speaker 2: Ers have been one of the very best operations in
Speaker 2: the game, and once again in primetime against a Cowboys
Speaker 2: team that thought they were up to the challenge.
Speaker 4: They proved.
Speaker 2: When they're humming right now, are they without equal? Eagles
Speaker 2: have something to say about that, and we'll find out
Speaker 2: in time. Forty two to ten Niners over Cowboys and Greg.
Speaker 2: That score accurately sums up what we witness, which was carnage,
Speaker 2: an absolute stomping.
Speaker 4: One contender, maybe one pretender, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I am stunned by how thorough it was, and a
Speaker 5: just gets me thinking about what kind of NFL do
Speaker 5: you want? We want better Sunday night games. First of all,
Speaker 5: we want these games that look like, hey, this is
Speaker 5: the latest game of the year, like Bill's Dolphins last week.
Speaker 4: We wanted to be closer. We want it to be
Speaker 4: a great game.
Speaker 5: But I also love an NFL where the great teams
Speaker 5: are truly great. I like having the Chiefs there a
Speaker 5: year after year. I like that the forty nine Ers
Speaker 5: and the Eagles right now are five and zero and
Speaker 5: the rest of the NFC is just going to have
Speaker 5: to deal with them or catch up.
Speaker 4: And the forty nine.
Speaker 5: Ers are a team we know so well, like it
Speaker 5: feels new because party's there, but so many of these
Speaker 5: guys were there in twenty nineteen when they were a
Speaker 5: couple plays away from winning the Super Bowl, and then
Speaker 5: they're back knocking on the doorstep in twenty and twenty
Speaker 5: one in the Conference Championship, and now the offense and
Speaker 5: the defense being this great together where both sides of
Speaker 5: the ball can dominate a good Cowboys. This thoroughly is
Speaker 5: just impressive. But I like an NFL where a forty
Speaker 5: nine ers team is this good this early in the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we we can look at the schedulet you can.
Speaker 5: I don't, I mean, I don't like this game, but
Speaker 5: I'm just impressed, and I'm impressed with great I see
Speaker 5: what you mean.
Speaker 3: Because I mean I I you know, growing up as
Speaker 3: a fan in the eighties and early nineties, they're the
Speaker 3: parody that we have now was I mean, they were
Speaker 3: you know, longing for I guess on some level, but
Speaker 3: it was typically like when the NFC won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: like fifteen sixteen years in a row, these dominant, roving,
Speaker 3: massive teams that were dynasties. Essentially you go from one
Speaker 3: dynasty the next. So I look down the schedule and
Speaker 3: they play in December Philadelphia and San Francisco. I'd rather
Speaker 3: be a Titanic thing that we're sort of on the
Speaker 3: horizon because I look at this game. I was talking
Speaker 3: to you Dan, like you know, on the previous show,
Speaker 3: I'm saying, well, Dallas needs to prove something to me.
Speaker 3: I've been suspicious of them, and it wasn't just the
Speaker 3: Cardinals game.
Speaker 4: But it's like they prove some of them.
Speaker 3: Who are they and like, are they like as good
Speaker 3: as they seem in some of these hi moments when
Speaker 3: you blew out the Giants, which now looks you know,
Speaker 3: like so hum. This game really doesn't tell me too
Speaker 3: much about Dallas, to be honest, because I think they
Speaker 3: can still go win Oh come on, well no, but
Speaker 3: they can go win eleven or twelve games.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what it like.
Speaker 3: I don't trust them, but I didn't trust them before
Speaker 3: this game, and I don't trust them in big spots,
Speaker 3: and I don't trust them in January.
Speaker 5: This to me trust them in this matchup because this
Speaker 5: very well could be the same matchup in San Francisco
Speaker 5: at some point in the Sure.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is it it's telling me more about
Speaker 2: the powerful, almost indestructible nature of a healthy Niners team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a little I'm a little bummed about the game
Speaker 2: because what I will. I know the Niners are a superpower.
Speaker 2: I know the Eagles are a superpower. But then look
Speaker 2: at the rest of the NFC, maybe Detroit cross your fingers.
Speaker 4: I mean they're looking as good as you get possible.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, but it's early, okay, right now, they look great.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys. To me, this was a clear measuring stick game.
Speaker 4: Where are you to me?
Speaker 2: You were exposed here, You're You're gonna you'll be okay,
Speaker 2: You're gonna probably get a playoff spot unless you get
Speaker 2: hit with injuries. But I'm not now now, I'm not
Speaker 2: really looking forward to if that game happens again, whether
Speaker 2: it be wild card round or divisional round, the Cowboys
Speaker 2: and the Niners playing against each other, there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of juice to it, because I know what this
Speaker 2: is about. There is a forty nine Ers team that
Speaker 2: is much more talented and a Cowboys team. They don't
Speaker 2: They're never gonna admit it, but this team's in their
Speaker 2: head on top of it, and they they played something
Speaker 2: during the pregame show on NBC of Dak getting indignant.
Speaker 2: In a press conference ahead of this game. This is
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, and a reporter asked if, like
Speaker 2: the playoff game last year and or how the last
Speaker 2: two playoffs have ended your seasons against San Francisco, is
Speaker 2: that kind of stick with you? And he he kind
Speaker 2: of glared at the reporter. He's like, thanks for reminding me,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, it does bother me, and he
Speaker 2: kind of walked off. I don't know, he was kind
Speaker 2: of playing it up a little, but also like this
Speaker 2: idea that there was a chip on my shoulder and
Speaker 2: we have a grudge, we're gonna settle things this weekend.
Speaker 2: And then you don't don't even show up. You had
Speaker 2: eight first downs, you don't even show up, and Dak
Speaker 2: is terrible again in a big spot and he's not alone.
Speaker 2: Nobody else shows up this defense. I know Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 2: isn't there now after the ACL but man like that,
Speaker 2: that is a horrific, horrendous performance. And rock Perty's been
Speaker 2: throwing with a lot of pass protection and with wide
Speaker 2: open receivers flying all over the place all year. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't supposed to be like that this game, Like
Speaker 2: the Cowboys were supposed to be a top defense. They
Speaker 2: certainly were exposed in that sense as well.
Speaker 3: I think one thing is because it's like I get it,
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott, it's a Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks is always going
Speaker 3: to be the centerpiece of these conversations about canny rise
Speaker 3: to the moments like I think what happens tonight a
Speaker 3: little bit is like conversation over what rise to what
Speaker 3: moment when like.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not because of a week five What
Speaker 4: do you mean?
Speaker 3: Like right now is because over and over Dak Prescott
Speaker 3: in big moments has not and not against this team.
Speaker 3: Like really, like all these things boil down to like
Speaker 3: the team you can't get pasted, Like when the Bulls
Speaker 3: couldn't get past the Detroit Pistons until finally they could.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like they can't get past the Niners,
Speaker 3: and instead of getting better and getting closer, you're getting
Speaker 3: farther away. It looks worse. Kellen Moore was your scapegoat
Speaker 3: coming off of last season. What was the plan tonight?
Speaker 3: They looked disorganized with no plan, no strategy, and no
Speaker 3: edge on a team that they cannot get passed.
Speaker 5: Right, We've done this long enough that I always feel
Speaker 5: that in week five, like you always allow for the
Speaker 5: room that these teams could be totally different by the
Speaker 5: time they do play in the playofs because we've just
Speaker 5: seen it so many different times. But everything you're saying
Speaker 5: is also true, and the reality is there are two
Speaker 5: games back of the Eagles, like that, that's a very
Speaker 5: real thing in a conference where Cowboys fans are almost assuming, well,
Speaker 5: we're in the playoffs. Well, you're in the playoffs needing
Speaker 5: to win three road games in a conference with the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers and the Eagles, unless you make up
Speaker 5: those two games that you're already down against Philadelphia. I
Speaker 5: was surprised that the run game was so effective against
Speaker 5: this Dallas defense and that the receivers were so open.
Speaker 5: I think Dravon Dicks is a big loss, but still,
Speaker 5: come on, I am really impressed with Perdi's ability. I
Speaker 5: think you saw it on this the first and the
Speaker 5: third Kittle touchdown. It's hard to keep track, but how
Speaker 5: does he naturally moves away from the pressure. And it's
Speaker 5: just like a small, little subtle thing, but it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: if there is a little pressure, it's like he's just
Speaker 5: gonna back up three or four yards and go to
Speaker 5: the left and then and it makes the throw even
Speaker 5: easier and buy like an extra second or two.
Speaker 4: He does have a very nice feel.
Speaker 5: He obviously has nice accuracy, and we watched the game
Speaker 5: with Daniel Jeremiah who notes, like, look, he's just driving
Speaker 5: a Ferrari and he's good at driving it, but it
Speaker 5: is a Ferrari and that's all true. They might have
Speaker 5: like five or six Hall of Famers on this team,
Speaker 5: but he's doing all the subtle things that you want
Speaker 5: to see that make you believe he can continue to
Speaker 5: do it all the way until Vegas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has been pretty much perfect as a starter. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean he is the all time safety net bailout
Speaker 2: for this team that whiffed on Trey Lance and then
Speaker 2: took party with the last pick, and this is what
Speaker 2: you're getting.
Speaker 5: He's only like, Yeah, wouldn't they be four and one
Speaker 5: with Trey Lance or Sam Darnold. They wouldn't be as good, right,
Speaker 5: but they like we win, we winning games, they'd find
Speaker 5: a way.
Speaker 2: We kind of said it right before we went on,
Speaker 2: like it's almost it almost gets you like maybe again
Speaker 2: this is like some have not type fan talking, but like,
Speaker 2: how do you mortgage your entire future to go up
Speaker 2: to number three and go get a quarterback with on
Speaker 2: that on an almost unimaginable level to the point where
Speaker 2: you lose all that draft capital and you would have
Speaker 2: trade in the pick after two years of him doing
Speaker 2: nothing and then be in this position where you are
Speaker 2: a super team. It makes you think, oh, what if
Speaker 2: they nailed that pick, or what does that even mean?
Speaker 2: Maybe Mac Jones is doing the same thing that that
Speaker 2: Rock Purtty is. But I feel like, and you'll like
Speaker 2: this point, Mark, because I know you agree with it.
Speaker 2: I feel like every time we have these conversations it
Speaker 2: goes back to somehow kind of taking a little air
Speaker 2: out of party's balloon to show how great the Niners are,
Speaker 2: where it's like, maybe this all just came together in
Speaker 2: like a beautiful happenstance, and now you have a perfect
Speaker 2: quarterback for this perfect team. And my last point, boy,
Speaker 2: before I throw it back to you, is I love
Speaker 2: a good unstoppable for us versus a movable object. I
Speaker 2: grew up on Cowboys and Niners NFC Tilts in the
Speaker 2: early nineties, and it was like, you knew what the
Speaker 2: matchup was in September, barring some like crazy injury. I
Speaker 2: just I was hoping that the Cowboys might be the
Speaker 2: team that's in the mix as well. And I know
Speaker 2: it's early, Greg, but I just you just get the
Speaker 2: feeling that they're not at this level. Maybe the Lions
Speaker 2: are that team. Maybe there's another team that will rise
Speaker 2: up in the next two months. But this, I mean
Speaker 2: twelve three, the Hawks look pretty good. Oh fuck, come on,
Speaker 2: that's a different tier. December third, San Francisco at Philadelphia
Speaker 2: is the date to circle. Here is the game of
Speaker 2: the year. And I feel like the last weekend in
Speaker 2: January NFC title game, we're gonna see those teams again.
Speaker 2: Get if the Cowboys aren't that team, please give me
Speaker 2: one more. Let's get the NFC. Get a little more
Speaker 2: juice in the NFC here. I think it's a two
Speaker 2: team conference right now. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: A lot can change and it's like you want to overreact,
Speaker 3: Except this isn't an aberration for the Niners.
Speaker 2: They've been doing this for years and.
Speaker 3: In a way, like for the fact that they lucked
Speaker 3: out on Party, I would say that there were many
Speaker 3: seasons where quarterback injuries and injury chaos like took the
Speaker 3: Niners and Shanahan's teams out of it. And so it's
Speaker 3: like there is like, you know, you keep drafting quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: you keep developing, and we already trust that chanhan can maximize.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: It's the last thing I'll say too, is like this
Speaker 3: thing about Party where it's like we're kind of always
Speaker 3: looking around him as for why they're succeeding. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what else you can ask quarterback to do.
Speaker 3: I think it's because he's not like a physical specimen
Speaker 3: where he's not Anthony Richardson, he's not Cam Newton. It's
Speaker 3: like he looks a little bit kind of like a
Speaker 3: high school quarterback playing in the NFL to me, and
Speaker 3: yet he he is. It's not just Shanahan like he's
Speaker 3: making these throws, he's seeing the field. He's calm on
Speaker 3: the field like his teammates totally love him, the coaches
Speaker 3: totally dig them. Daniel Jeremiah was telling us that he's
Speaker 3: known as this like hyper intense competitive quarterback in practice
Speaker 3: in games like this is who he is.
Speaker 2: He fits what they're trying to do.
Speaker 5: But that's it's why football's are really fun sport to cover,
Speaker 5: because it's everything, it's all interconnected. You could say that
Speaker 5: on some level, we were talking about this too, that
Speaker 5: that Deebo and Ayuk are they're not products of the system,
Speaker 5: but it's hard to evaluate how they would be outside
Speaker 5: of this system, just because it all works so well together.
Speaker 5: The cornerbacks are all shading on the way that they
Speaker 5: cover Ayuk and Purdy because and their eyes are all
Speaker 5: on the backfield because so much is going on before
Speaker 5: the neck snap, because they have so much responsibilities with
Speaker 5: the running game, which is so dynamic, what they do
Speaker 5: before the snap and how they run the ball, that
Speaker 5: that offers Iyuk and Deebo the chance to have these
Speaker 5: free releases and get one on one coverage that like
Speaker 5: other receivers wouldn't get. It all works together. And then oh,
Speaker 5: by the way it works. On the other side, you
Speaker 5: get Cleveland Ferrell, a certified Trey lance of the Raiders
Speaker 5: for four years, and like he shows up there and
Speaker 5: because their defensive line is so loaded in that system,
Speaker 5: so friendly, like he turns into a really productive player, so.
Speaker 2: Worried about the defensive line.
Speaker 4: It's a credit to all of them. Four coordinator switch,
Speaker 4: it's everything, It's freaking everything.
Speaker 2: It's awesome. And just to give you a snapshot of
Speaker 2: how out of hand that game was, they cut to
Speaker 2: Jara's suite and he doesn't even look like he's that bummed.
Speaker 2: It's almost like that whole sweet for about an hour
Speaker 2: was already hour and a half was like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 2: we know where we are now. And then you cut
Speaker 2: down to the sideline with four minutes ago and John
Speaker 2: Lynch just handed down handshakes.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Hey, how about how about a week? What do we
Speaker 2: got coming up week six?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are headed to London.
Speaker 2: Yes about we get some nice like rockers in primetime
Speaker 2: this week. So you've got the Giants on.
Speaker 4: Let me use the parlance of where we're going. Let's
Speaker 4: get some quirkers.
Speaker 2: You got giants, Bills can Your hope is that that's
Speaker 2: a quirker.
Speaker 5: We've got Broncos chiefs, Broncos chiefs and Giants.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know a corker, you know, like Greg.
Speaker 5: We got the London game Ravens Titans on NFL Network.
Speaker 2: That one's gonna be good. We'll be there all right,
Speaker 2: good stuff. Thank you everybody, uh for following along as always.
Speaker 2: And we got another big week of action coming up,
Speaker 2: both here in the States and then yes in England,
Speaker 2: our latest jaunt over the seas until Monday.
Speaker 4: Heed the call.