Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Daddy Needs his titos. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of Around the NFL. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansis. I come to you from a virtual room
Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Greg Rosenthal and the man who
Speaker 1: truly deserves the titos on this special really milestone in
Speaker 1: his life, Mark Sessler. What's up, heroes? Marcus turned fifty
Speaker 1: years old today? Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I was kind of monitoring self, monitoring
Speaker 2: self scouting.
Speaker 1: Do I feel different? I don't feel that different. Feel good?
Speaker 1: No titos yet. It's very early in the morning and
Speaker 1: coming up later. Sessler looks back what I've learned in
Speaker 1: my half century on Earth. I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1: It's got to be a full week here. You know.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you didn't expect that you would be spending
Speaker 3: your fiftieth birthday on a bird with Dan and I.
Speaker 3: And then we'll have, you know, we'll get to celebrate
Speaker 3: with Sky. I'm sure Neil Reynolds won't say anything awkward
Speaker 3: about it during the week on television and then show
Speaker 3: this is It, and then at dinner like it's all
Speaker 3: us it's never ending.
Speaker 2: Mark, you I you know it's because these London trips
Speaker 2: have come up, you know, in a similar time, multiple
Speaker 2: in multiple years. I think it's maybe the fourth birthday
Speaker 2: that I've celebrated en Route two or in England, so
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't really celebrate most of my
Speaker 2: birthdays that heavily or closely with anyone. So it's most
Speaker 2: of my most of my passage of time has been
Speaker 2: with the two of you, and uh, I could wish
Speaker 2: for nothing more.
Speaker 1: Well, we're happy to be with you. And if you're
Speaker 1: just tuning in coming up a little later Market fifty
Speaker 1: a retrospective now right, the back end of the show
Speaker 1: is just gonna be loaded with memories of Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. It's a lot of us. It's always
Speaker 1: a lot of us together this time of year. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's nice that we're gonna be together for
Speaker 1: your birthday and we'll definitely carve out some time Sestag
Speaker 1: when we're in England this week and then through the
Speaker 1: weekend for the close of the London Games Ravens Titans.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 3: It's one of those birthdays that I remember when we
Speaker 3: were doing the show like six seven years ago, and
Speaker 3: we would always joke about how you and Wes were
Speaker 3: the old guys, you know, because there's about about a
Speaker 3: five year difference between like the two of you and
Speaker 3: Dan and I.
Speaker 1: Roughly we're all a little apart. So I do.
Speaker 3: Remember thinking, like, by the way seven, I'm only one
Speaker 3: ahead of you. I do remember thinking like back in
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen and thinking like, wow, this show
Speaker 3: is going great. I hope it always is continuing, like
Speaker 3: it'll be crazy someday when and you know, Mark celebrates
Speaker 3: his fiftieth birthday on the pod and now here we
Speaker 3: are and you look better the day has arrived.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally surreal, I you know, And I like,
Speaker 2: we miss West for manifold reasons every minute. And it's
Speaker 2: funny because, like I was looking at some photos that Nick,
Speaker 2: his brother sent of Wes growing up through the years,
Speaker 2: and let's it just brought back so many memories.
Speaker 1: And there's one of him.
Speaker 2: Like as a youth baseball player and it's like it's
Speaker 2: the most West photo ever and he's got a big
Speaker 2: head of hair. But like I do, one thing I
Speaker 2: do miss is that, you know, the the agism attacks
Speaker 2: that come on the show occasionally, not today today is
Speaker 2: very nice, but uh, you know, when I'm dashed for
Speaker 2: being like one hundred and six years old compared to
Speaker 2: you guys who are like five years younger than me
Speaker 2: or whatever, it's like h seven.
Speaker 1: I missed the West.
Speaker 2: But you know, Wes would step in there and be like,
Speaker 2: listen to you, you children, like we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 2: throw it right back at you. But like, uh, I'm
Speaker 2: I've been for myself now in my fifth or six
Speaker 2: decade whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is yeah. Wes would have turned fifty this
Speaker 1: year as well, right, yep.
Speaker 3: Little I think what in February. It would have been
Speaker 3: at the very very end of the season on my birthday.
Speaker 3: We share as well. But yeah, I always think about
Speaker 3: him a little extra on these weeks, special weeks like
Speaker 3: like London.
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll have to throw one back.
Speaker 3: I'll have to actually drink a pint in honor of
Speaker 3: you and.
Speaker 1: West, and I think you will. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into it all right, now, what do we have today?
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some news and there is some there
Speaker 1: is some news out there and we're gonnaet caught up there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some previews we're a little were day
Speaker 1: earlier than usual for a good reason. We're getting on
Speaker 1: a bird tonight, as we said, and we're going to England.
Speaker 1: So that's coming up. But first I thought a good
Speaker 1: way on the special day with Mark Sessler. Take a
Speaker 1: look back at you know, as we head towards week six.
Speaker 1: I always find it funny that what we do for
Speaker 1: a living, it's really tricky in the summer, especially because
Speaker 1: you you know, once free agency occurs and then the draft,
Speaker 1: you kind of these teams are a little bit locked
Speaker 1: in carbon Star Wars reference Mark for your birthday, And
Speaker 1: I know I believe Luke Skywalker was trapped in there.
Speaker 1: Now it's I'm not gonna I think you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing here, but it was not going to get out.
Speaker 1: He was in the concrete job of the hut had
Speaker 1: locked him in there. Anyway, nailed it. We have these
Speaker 1: takes throughout the summer, and then there's nothing too much
Speaker 1: that moves. Of course, the training camp comes and that
Speaker 1: that sharpened certain takes, and then pre season, which which
Speaker 1: lies comes and that sharpens takes or dulls takes. But
Speaker 1: let's circle back, and this is what separates us. Greggie
Speaker 1: from the other shows, all these other talking head shows
Speaker 1: and even the Smart Guy podcast. They they tend to
Speaker 1: just dig in on points and then when when the
Speaker 1: ones at work come around, the ones that they get right,
Speaker 1: they won't shut up about it, but the ones they
Speaker 1: get wrong they quietly sweep under the rug. We're not
Speaker 1: going to do that. So what do we get wrong
Speaker 1: as we enter week six? What are we feeling like
Speaker 1: we totally botched? And maybe at the end we'll throw
Speaker 1: in something we got right so far. Let's start with you, Greg.
Speaker 3: Well, it's honestly hard to look past just the last
Speaker 3: two weeks. I know that's not the exercise, but I've
Speaker 3: literally done one rain maker all year, and it was
Speaker 3: on a Patriots team that lost thirty eight to three,
Speaker 3: and then I stupidly picked them again to win the
Speaker 3: following week on game debut where I make my picks
Speaker 3: and they lost thirty four to nothing. So that is
Speaker 3: sticking in my crow right off the top. But going
Speaker 3: back to the summer, the Miami Dolphins are the team
Speaker 3: that I did the thing that I have tried to
Speaker 3: learn through twelve years of doing this to not do
Speaker 3: and then I do it anyways, which is to overrate
Speaker 3: the preseason and to totally give up on a team
Speaker 3: that like early in the offseason. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of us and I was included, but I certainly wasn't
Speaker 3: alone was thinking, Wow, this is one of those teams.
Speaker 3: If you're kind of looking for a sneaky team to
Speaker 3: go ahead and make the Super Bowl, the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 3: are a great choice. I just love this roster. They
Speaker 3: could be the next Super Bowl superpower. By the time
Speaker 3: we got to September, I didn't even have them in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. I thought they had the worst month of
Speaker 3: August period. Practically no one ad them in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But like I went from thinking they're gonna be my
Speaker 3: Super Bowl pick to replacing them with the Chargers. And
Speaker 3: I feel like a total moron for both parts of that,
Speaker 3: but especially the Miami Dolphins part of it.
Speaker 2: I do think like almost everyone slept on the nature,
Speaker 2: like the insane nature of their offense. Like we knew
Speaker 2: it would be creative. We knew that under Mike McDaniel
Speaker 2: you had explosive wide receiver play and we were like,
Speaker 2: Tuoa was a real TBD. But then the balance with
Speaker 2: the run game and what they're doing on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2: Really outside of that Bills game, I didn't expect that.
Speaker 2: I think I maybe tag them as a wild card
Speaker 2: team just because I mean, they made the playoffs last
Speaker 2: year and I didn't think they got worse. But I
Speaker 2: did not expect them to be as devastating a product
Speaker 2: as they are.
Speaker 1: They're a little bit tricky because a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including I think all of us, got the preseason playoff
Speaker 1: prediction wrong here that we know they're going to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but obviously they're a power player in the AFC, and
Speaker 1: some of that's a little bit you got to keep
Speaker 1: in mind. People are getting behind the Jets when the
Speaker 1: Jets had Aaron Rodgers and it kind of came down
Speaker 1: to a choice between the Jets and Dolphins for a
Speaker 1: lot of people in terms of like kind of pumping
Speaker 1: up a team, and a lot of people, including myself,
Speaker 1: made the wrong choice. The Dolphins are the team. I
Speaker 1: have it on my list here, Greg, but this one
Speaker 1: is one of the ones that's like, yeah, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure I got it wrong my off season take and
Speaker 1: summer take that I know this offense is fun and
Speaker 1: exciting and explosive, but are they going to be unstoppable
Speaker 1: like they were for stretches last year, and we know
Speaker 1: they I won't bring it up, Greg, but yes, they
Speaker 1: have the record now for the most total yards in
Speaker 1: the first five games of a season. Mischoon accomplished and
Speaker 1: that attack was Their attack has been unstoppable against the Chargers, Broncos,
Speaker 1: and Giants, even if they were a bit sloppy on Sunday,
Speaker 1: they were generally contained and wins over the Pats and
Speaker 1: a loss to the Bills. And I think they'll have
Speaker 1: another massive day of this upcoming weekend against the Panthers,
Speaker 1: you know, hide the women and children of Charlotte. But
Speaker 1: I guess I want to see what happens when the
Speaker 1: competition rams back up. Week seven is a big one
Speaker 1: at Philly. They have two matchups against a tough Jets defense,
Speaker 1: including a Week twelve Black Friday game. Crazy. They have
Speaker 1: Baltimore in Baltimore on the schedule, Tennessee's on the schedule,
Speaker 1: and then they have a Week eighteen Bills rematch. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited just to see how they look when this
Speaker 1: competition stiffens again, because when it has it hasn't been
Speaker 1: quite the joy or so maybe they're just lingering just
Speaker 1: a tiny sliver of doubt that they this is an
Speaker 1: attack that will play in January, for instance, but overall
Speaker 1: definitely wrong because they were so dominant in the first
Speaker 1: five weeks for the most part.
Speaker 3: What's also because I replaced them with the Chargers, like
Speaker 3: and I know the Chargers are two and two, and
Speaker 3: that's the thing we're making these evaluations that after week five,
Speaker 3: we're probably got to be wrong about these too, because
Speaker 3: it's hard to know what's coming forward.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel good about that.
Speaker 3: I know they're two and two and Herbert's played well individually,
Speaker 3: but I feel like this team hasn't changed. It isn't
Speaker 3: changing right now, and it hasn't given me any reason
Speaker 3: to change. And so between those two teams, I did
Speaker 3: the cardinal sin, which I let the off season like
Speaker 3: go too long, and I totally flipped it. And I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers don't miss the playoffs
Speaker 3: at all, much less win the division, which I had
Speaker 3: them doing over the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: So I think that was a bad pick. I had
Speaker 1: the NFC North all wrong. I thought the Packers would
Speaker 1: be better than they have been got sucked in by
Speaker 1: the Jordan love hype and this idea that the baton
Speaker 1: would simply be passed. I saw them as a playoff
Speaker 1: team potentially. I thought the Vikings were being overly dismissed
Speaker 1: for last year's deceiving win loss record, which obviously is
Speaker 1: proven to be the wrong take on it. Because they're
Speaker 1: one and four. I thought the Bears could be ready
Speaker 1: to make noise and accepting what we saw on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: that hasn't really been the case and then, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned this a couple of days ago, but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it was just like my connection to
Speaker 1: a downtrodden historical franchise. I was less high on the Lions,
Speaker 1: and I just kinda I saw them being heavily pumped
Speaker 1: up as the favorite and the NFC North, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't totally believing that that's what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: But that's exactly where we are here in the middle
Speaker 1: of October. They are head and shoulders above the rest
Speaker 1: of that division and seemingly playing at a level that's
Speaker 1: begging the question whether they should be talked about with
Speaker 1: the San Francisco's and Philadelphias of the league. So definitely
Speaker 1: slept on how good the Lions and them continuing to
Speaker 1: level up. I got that one wrong, how about you, Mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I join you on that because I I thought
Speaker 2: Justin fields make a big jump, and I thought the
Speaker 2: Lions would be frisky, but not not the way I
Speaker 2: see them right now, which is just the tier beyond
Speaker 2: the Niners and the Eagles. I mean, they were kind
Speaker 2: of alone in the next tier for me in the NFC,
Speaker 2: So I didn't predict that for me. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I look at my predictions in general, and it's
Speaker 2: like I could be in the ballpark more often on
Speaker 2: some of these if they weren't so hyper specific. Like
Speaker 2: I don't know why when I talked about the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: Steelers saying I think they're a wild card team. I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna surprise the people and win more games
Speaker 2: than people. I say, twelve are gonna win twelve games?
Speaker 2: And I'm banging the table all off season on the
Speaker 2: specific number they're three and two. But that's I mean,
Speaker 2: everything we see about them does not look three and two.
Speaker 2: And I think that one thing I really fell for,
Speaker 2: And you know, Dan were you were from the very
Speaker 2: beginning of this preseason saying I'm not gonna watch it.
Speaker 1: I don't care about I'm not gonna pull takes from it.
Speaker 2: There was no team that was sung them out more
Speaker 2: poetically than Pittsburgh and their offense and Kenny Pickett and
Speaker 2: sort of the idea that they were going to grow
Speaker 2: together and become this explosive maybe way better than the
Speaker 2: people expected attack because of pristine August games.
Speaker 1: I fell for it. I trust the coaching.
Speaker 2: I always feel like Tomlin's gonna give you an extra
Speaker 2: win or two then you'd get in a different situation.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, so we will do that.
Speaker 2: But like I was kind of looking at their schedule
Speaker 2: to get to twelve games, and I'll go through this quick.
Speaker 2: I think you've got the Rams, like they could win
Speaker 2: that game, Jaguars, tough, Titans, maybe Packers. Yes, I'd say
Speaker 2: they probably could sweep the Browns potentially, but you lose
Speaker 2: that one, you'd maybe split with the Bengals if you're lucky.
Speaker 2: You could beat the Cards, you beat a bad Pats team,
Speaker 2: the Colts way better than I thought they'd be. The
Speaker 2: Seahawks are tough, and you got the Ravens. So the
Speaker 2: path to twelve games is very tight and very tricky.
Speaker 2: Even though they sit at three and two. I could
Speaker 2: see them getting too ten or eleven, but that would
Speaker 2: also be a bit of a mirage. I think their
Speaker 2: offense is a disaster. They are ripe for a mid
Speaker 2: season coordinator firing, although Tomlin seems loyal to Matt Canada,
Speaker 2: overly loyal. I just I got this wrong because the
Speaker 2: team that I was talking about isn't the team we're watching.
Speaker 1: On offense, defense sure isn't so much of it, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Canada thing has really ramped up in heat, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people were much higher on picket because
Speaker 1: the way last year ended, and then of course all
Speaker 1: the summer hype. But the fact that he has not
Speaker 1: continued to develop this year has really hurt that. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna sniff eleven wins, at least based
Speaker 1: on what we've seen, forget about twelve. They kind of
Speaker 1: have the look of a eight to nine, nine to
Speaker 1: eight team to me right now. But there's still time,
Speaker 1: I guess, for them to figure some things out. I
Speaker 1: just don't I haven't seen any evidence greg that this offense,
Speaker 1: even in the wins that they've had, there's a lot
Speaker 1: to get excited about, so far.
Speaker 3: No, they're the worst three and two team in the league.
Speaker 3: They're one of the worst offense in the league. The
Speaker 3: only case for them is that teams do evolve and change,
Speaker 3: and sometimes teams do get better, and the fact that
Speaker 3: they've gotten to three and two while they stunk. If
Speaker 3: they can just get their offense to average, maybe they'll
Speaker 3: do the Tommon thing.
Speaker 1: And they're not getting to twelve though. All right, anybody
Speaker 1: else want to share anything? I think we all gave
Speaker 1: ourselves the lashings we deserve. I won't take a jet
Speaker 1: sell on it because that was unfair. That was corol
Speaker 1: and the world is a mean place. But maybe I
Speaker 1: should have known it was coming when I predicted them
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. But I like a lot
Speaker 1: of mine.
Speaker 3: But Commanders, as the seventh wildcard team, is not feeling
Speaker 3: too good right now.
Speaker 2: That always felt a tad suspicious, although I thought it
Speaker 2: was you know, daring.
Speaker 1: Bold, bold, bold and again. Coming up a little bit later,
Speaker 1: as we celebrate the big day for Mark Sessler counting
Speaker 1: down Mark's fifty craziest moments on his fiftieth right day.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I know, like this Gregg's child listens
Speaker 2: to this podcast. I think other children listen to it.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I could cover all fifty we could get.
Speaker 2: We get a solid ten or twelve in there.
Speaker 1: Though. You think he got more wildness inside you in
Speaker 1: the in the in the back fifty Mark, Oh, you
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be it's a toned down version of Mark.
Speaker 2: No. I think the trajectory is heading in one very
Speaker 2: specific direction. So yes, I think there's more to come.
Speaker 1: Very good. All right, let's do some news. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm twice your age plus a few years. That's concerning, right,
Speaker 1: you guys are on the way out. There's old friend
Speaker 1: Caveon Thibodeaux, I guess young friend Caveon Thibodeau, who just
Speaker 1: relentlessly disrespected Mark and I last June. And but the
Speaker 1: good news is he's he's starting to accumulate a lot
Speaker 1: of empty, meaningless sacks and a totally lost season for
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. So good for him, whoa well done.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the news. I still think Greg quietly
Speaker 1: is on cave On's side with that, But that's it seems.
Speaker 3: No, But I do enjoy that when I was removed
Speaker 3: in Japan hearing about this, that I was not involved whatsoever.
Speaker 1: All Right, We talked about it on the Monday Night Show.
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. There was some signs pointing to the superstar
Speaker 1: wide receiver of the Vikings missing time with his hamstring
Speaker 1: injury he sustained in Week five, and sure enough, the
Speaker 1: Vikings plan to put Jefferson on injured reserve. According to
Speaker 1: the Pell Raiser, that means he's going to miss the
Speaker 1: next four games against the Bears, Niners, Packers, and Falcons earliest.
Speaker 1: The earliest he could return November twelfth against the Saints.
Speaker 1: So Greg, but Jefferson is the NFL's reigning offensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. He is obviously the driver of all
Speaker 1: things Minnesota related. And now you take him out of
Speaker 1: the picture, the team is one and four. What does
Speaker 1: it mean for Jefferson? What does it mean for the
Speaker 1: Vikings from a big picture sense?
Speaker 3: I think they are going to start thinking about who
Speaker 3: they can trade if they don't pile up some wins.
Speaker 3: So to provide a little context on injured reserve, Kevin
Speaker 3: Seaffort on ESPN and some others have reported similarly they
Speaker 3: think it's going to be longer than four weeks, that
Speaker 3: it's a very serious hamstring strange, and it's no guarantee
Speaker 3: he would be back after four weeks. In fact, they
Speaker 3: would probably expect it to be longer. Then you start
Speaker 3: raising questions about where they are in the season, his
Speaker 3: contract status. He was looking for a contract extension, didn't
Speaker 3: make a big thing of it, but he's eligible for
Speaker 3: one and they haven't given into him one. So they're
Speaker 3: not going to rush him back at seventy eighty percent.
Speaker 3: They're going to try to save him from himself and
Speaker 3: keep him happy and not put him in an awkward situation.
Speaker 3: And if they they don't win games, and their schedules
Speaker 3: quite easy other than that forty nine Ers game, so
Speaker 3: you never know. But if they don't win games, I
Speaker 3: think you got to think about if Kirk Cousins is
Speaker 3: on this team in November, if Daniel Hunter is on
Speaker 3: this team, there's a couple of people that would make
Speaker 3: sense to possibly move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because I mean they they are very clearly in
Speaker 2: a rebuilding project of some sort. I mean you look
Speaker 2: what they did with their cap. They let people go
Speaker 2: on defense outside of Daniel Hunter this offseason. I think
Speaker 2: it was widely presumed. I just have always felt like
Speaker 2: even if they don't trade cousins. This is the final
Speaker 2: go around with them and they move on from that point.
Speaker 2: So your centerpiece is justin Jefferson. So the idea of
Speaker 2: getting into one of these things where the player comes
Speaker 2: out of a bad campaign saying, you know, I got
Speaker 2: rushed back into the lineup, like, yeah, there's no reason
Speaker 2: to do it. They've got the Bears, then they got
Speaker 2: the Niners. But I think there's a really realistic roadmap
Speaker 2: where they're you know, two and five or you know,
Speaker 2: two and six, get to the eighth game mark, and
Speaker 2: it's like you start shutting things down and looking at
Speaker 2: taking a realistic look at your assets and what you
Speaker 2: can trade them for.
Speaker 1: And then well you also have to look at like where,
Speaker 1: let's say the Vikings did decide to go down this road,
Speaker 1: Like what teams would make sense. I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: connect them to the Jets because of the Rogers situation,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if the Jets are looking to
Speaker 1: take on a lot of money and give up draft
Speaker 1: assets and who knows where they'll be by Halloween, if
Speaker 1: they're even in contention. What other teams even jump out
Speaker 1: to you that would say, let's welcome in this guy
Speaker 1: and pay him a lot of money and give up
Speaker 1: a draft pick to play for half a season, like
Speaker 1: what's his market? Right?
Speaker 3: That is the tricky part. I don't think necessarily. You know,
Speaker 3: the money to me is a positive because you just
Speaker 3: have to play his base salary and it's not that high.
Speaker 1: As long as you can fit him in, that's fine.
Speaker 3: As long as he's okay, he's not looking for a
Speaker 3: long term contract extension right away. There aren't a lot
Speaker 3: of superlogical teams. I mean, the Jets are the most logical.
Speaker 3: If Rogers was okay with it, if they can be competitive,
Speaker 3: don't think that's crazy at all to give up a
Speaker 3: mid round pick for half a year of Kirk Cousins
Speaker 3: with the with the Vikings. Do it just for like
Speaker 3: a third or a third that turns into a second?
Speaker 3: Maybe the other one that you know came to mind,
Speaker 3: and it's a little crazy, But it's this old coach
Speaker 3: from Minnesota and Cleveland, and is that is that a
Speaker 3: trade that could make sense for both sides? And Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson actually gets involved in that trade, Like, crazier things
Speaker 3: have happened.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm turning it.
Speaker 3: I'm turning into the NBA pods I listened to all
Speaker 3: NBA pods are are speculating about future trades and then
Speaker 3: they eventually sometimes happened, but usually they don't happen.
Speaker 1: You're telling me, Greg, that the Cleveland Browns would take
Speaker 1: a reputation dirt nap, wait all this time to finally
Speaker 1: get this guy in the field, and then they would
Speaker 1: quit on them after eight weeks and send him out
Speaker 1: of town. That that would show like a complete like
Speaker 1: Jesus take the wheel situation there. They would also get
Speaker 1: out of that point.
Speaker 3: They would also get out of that guaranteed money, and
Speaker 3: they would get a orderback that they think is probably
Speaker 3: as good or maybe their head coach thinks is as
Speaker 3: good a fit in their offense, are better than the
Speaker 3: guy that they have. I think that contract is a
Speaker 3: bit of an albatross, and there's concerns.
Speaker 1: Wait, it would be soon, Greg, I know you don't
Speaker 1: like talking about this player in any positive but you're
Speaker 1: acting like it's already a he's a bust.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think it's I just think it's possible.
Speaker 3: I think in two weeks it would be.
Speaker 1: Pro football is completely different than the best.
Speaker 2: Wait, why but why would the Vikings, and I think
Speaker 2: their front office is pretty forward thinking and there's hope there.
Speaker 2: Why why would the Vikings take on like the Watson
Speaker 2: contract starting next year. I know you can read do
Speaker 2: the money and stuff, but is insane and we haven't
Speaker 2: seen evidence that he can play and a trade needs
Speaker 2: to happen pretty soon. You know, there's a trade deadline
Speaker 2: for this to happen. It's like, why on earth would
Speaker 2: the Vikings take on Cleveland's ostensibly biggest problem.
Speaker 1: Wow, Because there's a lot of people that think he's
Speaker 1: a top flight quarterback just what he does on the field,
Speaker 1: And that's why the Browns sold their soul to the
Speaker 1: devil on it because they were looking for a quarterback
Speaker 1: for thirty years. And that's why I don't think they
Speaker 1: would get out at this point, because then they're right
Speaker 1: back into that QB wilderness with a thirty five year
Speaker 1: old Cousins on a rental deal where they guess they
Speaker 1: start over, go ahead. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing out there, partly because there weren't logical
Speaker 3: teams and the way I always start these are who
Speaker 3: are these players with previously? And Cousins and Stefanski, you know,
Speaker 3: had that time, and the forty nine ers don't really
Speaker 3: make sense. But just from about the Valerie Cousins is
Speaker 3: only making ten million dollars actually in terms of his
Speaker 3: base salary, So you'd be like paying nothing to get
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins for eight games or whatever ten games.
Speaker 4: How about the Falcons and a wide open Yes, that
Speaker 4: was only like a logical team that I could think of.
Speaker 4: That's about the only thing is like I feel like
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith keeps getting in the way of these concepts
Speaker 4: that we have because you know, we talked Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 4: for six months and Arthur Smith all he does is
Speaker 4: turn around and back Desmond Ritter against sometimes like our wishes,
Speaker 4: and it's like, I don't there's not a big link
Speaker 4: between Arthur Smith and Kirk Cousins at all.
Speaker 1: But you think Tennessee you could talk itself into it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably not if they were they were
Speaker 2: like stay competitive and they're hanging around and Ritter has
Speaker 2: another like really bad game or two, like maybe ownership
Speaker 2: would get on board with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you give them hope.
Speaker 3: The only trick is Arthur Smith is like the system.
Speaker 3: Everything is about the system. Yes, we can draft these
Speaker 3: top ten wide receivers and tight ends. But my system,
Speaker 3: you know, dictates they only get the ball twice a game.
Speaker 3: And his system is like, I want a running quarterback
Speaker 3: to run this system, to uh, someone with mobility, and
Speaker 3: so I do wonder about the fit with with Cousins.
Speaker 1: All right, interesting, very interesting intrigue in Minnesota in a
Speaker 1: transition period for the team. Let's move on to other
Speaker 1: injury news. Unfortunate news here that the Dolphins will be
Speaker 1: without Devon Yeah, his name just gives me trouble. The
Speaker 1: first and the last name. You got, Devon Chan, not
Speaker 1: Devin Chan. Devon Chan. He is headed toward injured reserve,
Speaker 1: it appears, and he is likely to miss accorded tod
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter multiple weeks with a knee injury. Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 1: we played it on the Monday Night Show, is cryptic
Speaker 1: about what exactly was going on with the knee, and
Speaker 1: we still don't have a clear picture as of recording
Speaker 1: today what exactly is up with the knee unless I
Speaker 1: miss something. But he steps out of the picture after
Speaker 1: an electrifying last few weeks, and Raheem Moster moves back
Speaker 1: to the front of the line in that incredible offense.
Speaker 3: Everyone always goes right to well, see he's one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty three pounds. That's why he fell to the
Speaker 3: third round. Okay, let's see. I mean, it's true, it
Speaker 3: didn't take long and they weren't going to over load him,
Speaker 3: so that that's a concern. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 3: go on injured reserve Dan. It sounded from a rap
Speaker 3: sheet that it would be like week to week, and
Speaker 3: you that might end up happening anyways, but for now
Speaker 3: it sounded like they were hoping maybe it would be
Speaker 3: closer to two to three weeks versus more.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: My concern is because I like Raheem Moster a lot,
Speaker 2: and they've essentially, you know, adopted with Jeff Wilson, they've
Speaker 2: adopted the Niners backfield from years of old. But it
Speaker 2: was like most was another player that you'd get two
Speaker 2: great weeks out.
Speaker 1: Of him, then he'd get injured. Like he's.
Speaker 2: His durability has been a big problem and it's been
Speaker 2: such a huge plus for their offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, h chan his season.
Speaker 2: We just did that NFL plus thing yesterday where you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't know what was gonna happen with him, but
Speaker 2: now he's out of the picture. But twelve point one
Speaker 2: yards per care there isn't really a comp for what
Speaker 2: he's accomplished over the first five weeks of the season
Speaker 2: because he really didn't. He didn't play in week one
Speaker 2: and had five yards in week two and then utterly exploded.
Speaker 2: And he has like fifty something sixty less carries than
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey and yet has the second most yards in
Speaker 2: the in the league. So it's a huge loss, and
Speaker 2: I mean, you hope he's back sooner than later.
Speaker 1: Finally, in the news, the rams Man score another one
Speaker 1: for the culture because it was decided that Van Jefferson
Speaker 1: did not fit into their plans. Pukaakua has risen up,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup is back to to Atwell's doing some things
Speaker 1: in this offense. So Los Angeles makes a move and they,
Speaker 1: I mean, they do Van Jefferson dirty. They must have really,
Speaker 1: he must have really done something behind the scenes to
Speaker 1: get them met because they send him to Falcons for
Speaker 1: a sixth and seventh round pick. Get line, buddy, if
Speaker 1: you didn't like your role in the offense with the
Speaker 1: Rams under Sean McVeigh enjoy the Arthur Smith system.
Speaker 3: Was it wasn't working though he wants he wants to play,
Speaker 3: and he wasn't gonna play anymore in Los Angeles unless
Speaker 3: they were injuries.
Speaker 1: So like, can you send me to the CFL? Is
Speaker 1: there another option here in Atlanta?
Speaker 3: You know, he's the number two or three receiver behind
Speaker 3: Drake London. Mac Collins is there too. At least I'll
Speaker 3: get to play In theory. Van Jefferson was always a
Speaker 3: little more of an in theory guy for the Rams.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he played a lot on the
Speaker 3: on a Super Bowl winning team, but it just I
Speaker 3: don't know, I never I never got into it.
Speaker 2: I like the thing you're so right about the Falcons
Speaker 2: where it's like Drake London, like it's he's sort of
Speaker 2: stuck and hijacked in this offense. And same with Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2: But they have like for being this system where you
Speaker 2: think they want to run the ball and do nothing else,
Speaker 2: like Rivers had these games where he's throwing the ball
Speaker 2: forty something times, like it keeps happening, and like, I
Speaker 2: mean that doesn't mean that he's completing great passes downfield,
Speaker 2: but like it's not as if Van Jefferson goes to
Speaker 2: a complete and total wilderness because there's not much around him. Like,
Speaker 2: what's the competition outside of Drake London?
Speaker 1: Great food, great strip clubs? You know, well he could
Speaker 1: those box He's he might be a good Christian man, Uh, Greg,
Speaker 1: he might be upset that those type of established and
Speaker 1: litter the landscape of a town. Look at that.
Speaker 3: I suppose there's plenty in Los Angeles too, So I
Speaker 3: don't know what my point is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, many a time I've driven by Seventh Veil here
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and it's just Greg by him smell
Speaker 1: self smoking a cigarette. It's disturbing, all right. That makes
Speaker 1: me think of by the way, in that old Tom
Speaker 1: Selleck vehicle, mister Baseball from I think ninety one or
Speaker 1: ninety two, and he learns he's been traded and he
Speaker 1: goes anywhere but Detroit and they actually got sent to Japan.
Speaker 1: Like do you think Van Jefferson would rather be sent
Speaker 1: to Japan right now to live with like your wife's family, Greg.
Speaker 3: M maybe you could hang out with our old our
Speaker 3: old boss, James John Marvel's son James Marvel pitching over
Speaker 3: in the Japanese League.
Speaker 1: Oh good for him? Checking well too, Grady ra oh, beautiful, beautiful, Yes,
Speaker 1: shout out to James Marvel, big right hander with plus stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, before we take a break, a little teas
Speaker 1: here on this special day. Coming up on the other
Speaker 1: side of this break, fifty and fabulous Sessler, Shed's black
Speaker 1: jacket and everything else.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I do two of the things you're
Speaker 2: telling me I'm gonna be doing on this show, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a new territory.
Speaker 1: Now that's a tease, a strip tease. I'll be here
Speaker 1: all week. We'll be right back, all right, welcome back, Mark.
Speaker 1: That was quite the show. I agree it was the
Speaker 1: right move to do it off camera, but really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I have to say, yeah, I wanted to see if
Speaker 2: you guys, if you guys approved, then I could bring
Speaker 2: it to a larger audience, take my act, you know,
Speaker 2: to a higher larger venue.
Speaker 3: Yeah that Manny Pachiao gym member ship or whatever you got,
Speaker 3: it's paying off.
Speaker 1: And we got the I don't belong to the gym.
Speaker 1: We got the big live show at the sold out
Speaker 1: shot theater coming up in a couple of days. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that might be that might be the spot,
Speaker 1: that might be the spot for us. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get to the Island game previews before we say goodbye,
Speaker 1: Starting with Thursday Night Football. It is a matchup of
Speaker 1: a one in four team against a four and one team. However,
Speaker 1: you know, based on what's going on with the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: I can't sell it. The Denver Broncos are going to
Speaker 1: Arrowhead on a short week after melting down in the
Speaker 1: second half against the Jets against a I imagine ticked
Speaker 1: off Patrick Home, Mahomes and company who are still trying
Speaker 1: to find their stride. Greg, you're good at this. Sell
Speaker 1: this as a game that America in the world needs
Speaker 1: to check out. Okay, well, number one, Patrick Mahomes is involved.
Speaker 1: It's he's in it.
Speaker 3: I guess I lean more towards Tony Romo than I
Speaker 3: know Mark does. I always enjoy watching Mahomes number two. Hey,
Speaker 3: last year, when who is Jerry who is their interim
Speaker 3: head coach Jerry Rosberg or something?
Speaker 1: I don't know, something. Remember they almost beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: How do you remember that in like week sixteen, Week
Speaker 3: seventeen that you know, so it was like down to
Speaker 3: the last second in that game. But more importantly, this
Speaker 3: is not the same Chiefs defense, the Chiefs offense, and
Speaker 3: so I am curious how this thing is evolving. Marcus Valdez,
Speaker 3: Scantling and sky Moore are just not happening, like it
Speaker 3: ain't happening. And so you saw Justin Ross get a
Speaker 3: few more snaps, really more targets he barely played, and
Speaker 3: Rashid Rice has been solid, and Justin Watson and Tony
Speaker 3: maybe at his best game of season, Like, are those
Speaker 3: the guys? They're gonna have to start figuring out who
Speaker 3: their guys are because they thought mvs and more were
Speaker 3: going to be their guys and they're not their guys.
Speaker 3: And Kelsey is supposed to play in this game. He
Speaker 3: did practice Tuesday, but his yards per target, his yard
Speaker 3: per catch, Mahomes' is yards per attempt, and yards per game.
Speaker 3: They're not just all down like they're all down a lot,
Speaker 3: and I think they want to put it on this team.
Speaker 3: That's one of the worst defenses that we've ever seen,
Speaker 3: the worst defense through five weeks in DVOA history. So
Speaker 3: if there are anything like the old Chiefs, this is
Speaker 3: like that Bears game where they put a forty.
Speaker 2: Captain captain degrees. But I mean, I Greg, you did
Speaker 2: a you did your best there.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a team where I think, like, on
Speaker 2: a short a short week Thursday night, what can you
Speaker 2: lean on? And like, I think the Chiefs can can
Speaker 2: run the ball, and if the Denver run defense is
Speaker 2: a dark void. Your best performance was the one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty two yards you give up to Washington, three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty to the Dolphins, one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: one to Chicago. The Jets got right with two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty four yards this past weekend, and you mentioned
Speaker 2: the DVOA. It's funny because, like our friend Aaron Shatz
Speaker 2: talked to the Athletic and he said that you're right,
Speaker 2: it's the worst ever measured going back to like nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one, and that the gap between Denver's DVOA at
Speaker 2: number thirty two and Chicago's at number thirty one is
Speaker 2: the same gap as Chicago's at number thirty one and
Speaker 2: the Titans at twenty.
Speaker 1: They are historically putrid. And I just think, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Have to work themselves a little bit out of their funk.
Speaker 2: They just won two road games and they didn't do
Speaker 2: it in massively impressive fashion. But I would be stunned
Speaker 2: if there's any result of this game other than Denver,
Speaker 2: who aren't that special on offense in any way either,
Speaker 2: and we're handled a week ago, can do anything against
Speaker 2: this Chiefs team. It's like it would be an Andy
Speaker 2: Reid unusual Andy Reid meltdown to not go completely punch
Speaker 2: Denver out.
Speaker 1: Well, Cadarius, excuse me, Travis Kelcey not being physically right
Speaker 1: is obviously a major detriment to this offense. So if
Speaker 1: he's kind of gutting through another game and instead of
Speaker 1: you know, picking up twenty five yards just galloping through
Speaker 1: the second level of defenses, is he just doing those
Speaker 1: nine yard you know, a little turnarounds and it's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a shovel pass near the goal line that makes
Speaker 1: such a big difference. Because obviously, you know, I was
Speaker 1: watching this morning the Giants Dolphins game. I was like,
Speaker 1: one you just got to knock out, And you know,
Speaker 1: we saw Tyreek Hill catch a wide receiver screen and
Speaker 1: then run diagonal across the defensive line through the linebacker
Speaker 1: corps and then into the opposite side of the field
Speaker 1: for like a fifty yard gain. And it was the
Speaker 1: first time I thought to myself, I wish Patrick Moms
Speaker 1: had you know a dude like this again, because you
Speaker 1: didn't really talk about it last year because he was
Speaker 1: he just kept motoring last year because Kelsey was so great.
Speaker 1: They need the idea of this summer storyline, which I
Speaker 1: don't think any of us like totally bought into to
Speaker 1: our credit in this case, that Kadarius Tony was going
Speaker 1: to be their number one. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But can he give them more? And we maybe got
Speaker 1: a little bit this past week. Can he become a
Speaker 1: guy in this off that's what they need and until
Speaker 1: we get somebody else that steps up in this offense,
Speaker 1: and maybe they'll be active at the trade deadline. I
Speaker 1: think some of these games that we see as like
Speaker 1: total blowouts and one side of affairs are going to
Speaker 1: be surprisingly less exciting, less fireworks, less scoring. So maybe
Speaker 1: the Broncos hang around. But I could also see as
Speaker 1: I I think Pachenko could have a huge game here
Speaker 1: because that Denver run defense is horrific. That could be
Speaker 1: the storyline coming out of the Chiefs offense on Friday
Speaker 1: morning that they ran for two hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 1: in a blowout win.
Speaker 3: Well, plus the Chiefs defense is just making life difficult
Speaker 3: for other quarterbacks. Lagerious Need is really playing well. Trent
Speaker 3: McDuffie might be a Pro bowler this year in his
Speaker 3: second year, really one of the best slot corners in
Speaker 3: the league. And I saw that quote from Mike Greenberg
Speaker 3: the only time I ever see quotes from Mike Greenberg,
Speaker 3: So this is a little unfair. Is like when he
Speaker 3: says something stupid and then it's tweeted around. So I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe he says other things, but he was saying, like,
Speaker 3: this is the worst Russell Wilson we've ever seen. Is
Speaker 3: because he hasn't watched them all year until that Jets game.
Speaker 3: And he's not worse, he's a little better. This offense
Speaker 3: is okay, he's better than he was a year ago,
Speaker 3: but he'll be tested versus Spagnola, who now can really
Speaker 3: do a lot of things in terms of the blitzes
Speaker 3: that he sends because he has such a good back end.
Speaker 3: It's a top ten defense, like Chiefs fans are getting
Speaker 3: ahead of their skis. It's like tenth, ninth or tenth.
Speaker 3: But it's a good defense, and that's that's enough.
Speaker 1: That was a total lot of Ravio Magnefiico from Greenberg.
Speaker 1: Gotta be careful with that stuff, and I know the
Speaker 1: accountability is at a different level with those morning shows,
Speaker 1: and you got a lot of time to fill. But
Speaker 1: anybody that's even half watching the Broncos knows that Wilson
Speaker 1: is far better and more productive. I mean, going into
Speaker 1: week five like he I know it's deceiving a little
Speaker 1: bit and he's not having a big year, but he
Speaker 1: was like a top ten producer and a lot of
Speaker 1: stat lines that was he couldn't complete anything. He couldn't
Speaker 1: get anything going last year at this time. But whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you called it out because that annoyed me too.
Speaker 1: The second primetime game. We're hurting a little bit of here, guys,
Speaker 1: because what could be more lopsided than Denver case. How
Speaker 1: about Giants at Buffalo? My god, my god, And we
Speaker 1: have a rematch of Super Bowl twenty five. But there
Speaker 1: ain't no LT and there ain't no Otis Anderson and
Speaker 1: Jef Hosteller ain't gonna hold on to that ball when
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith smokes him in the end zone. Geez, this
Speaker 1: this Mark, it's your turn explain to me how this
Speaker 1: game is something that people will be wanting to watch
Speaker 1: after halftime.
Speaker 2: The only way that I really could is there is
Speaker 2: some optimism that Daniel Jones will play. From his own words,
Speaker 2: we'll see, although Daniel Jones hasn't really been a reason
Speaker 2: for optimism. Uh, there is a chance, I mean, there
Speaker 2: is a chance that you get Saquon back. It sounds
Speaker 2: like Andrew Thomas according to Brian Dable, your left tackle
Speaker 2: has a better shot than Saquon. But if you get
Speaker 2: these people back in the lineup, and you get healthy,
Speaker 2: and you catch a Bill's defense, you know, maybe on
Speaker 2: a couple big plays, a Bill's defense that is missing
Speaker 2: Matt Milano, missing Tredevia Swhite, missing Dai Kwon Jones.
Speaker 1: That's a big thing.
Speaker 2: The Jaguars were able to move the ball on Buffalo
Speaker 2: for portions of that game. The Bills had nineteen missed
Speaker 2: tackles against Jacksonville. I really like guys like Terrell Bernard
Speaker 2: and aj Epanessa and at Oliver this season, so they're
Speaker 2: getting they have depth. But I guess if you got
Speaker 2: a weird Josh Allen game, which is outside of the
Speaker 2: Jets performance that hasn't really been the case, and your
Speaker 2: Giants team does one of these things where you show
Speaker 2: up for a couple of quarters and maybe you get
Speaker 2: into They had three turnovers against the Dolphins. I know
Speaker 2: they still give up five hundred plus yards, but they
Speaker 2: had the one hundred and two yard pick six and
Speaker 2: two other turnovers. If all that stuff came together, maybe
Speaker 2: the Giants keep it interesting. But we've watched the Giants
Speaker 2: like forty two times on primetime and they've not fulfilled
Speaker 2: that promise.
Speaker 1: So I am suspicious.
Speaker 3: It is four out of six weeks and this is
Speaker 3: the last time I think, so congratulations.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that the Giants got a pick six,
Speaker 1: as Mark said, another interception when the Dolphins were going
Speaker 1: in for a score, and a fumble recovery that set
Speaker 1: them up with good field position and they still lost
Speaker 1: thirty one sixteen. It's like, it's so telling. I think
Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones situation is it's noteworthy. You know, he
Speaker 1: had the neck injury and he's had neck issues before,
Speaker 1: and if they choose to play him in this game,
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I think what you might be
Speaker 1: seeing here with Jones, and I don't think he's being
Speaker 1: buried in criticism right now, but you know, he got
Speaker 1: paid mostly because of a strong close to last season.
Speaker 1: I know he was in general better than he had
Speaker 1: been previously before Dable got arrived, even in the first
Speaker 1: half of the year, but it was really that closing
Speaker 1: month or so where he was starting to like really
Speaker 1: shred d defenses, but also the in retrospect and even
Speaker 1: in the moment it was like, the schedule's pretty soft
Speaker 1: right now as he's doing this damage. He lit up
Speaker 1: the Vikings twice, for instance, including in that playoff win
Speaker 1: before reality hit against Philly. I just wonder if Jones
Speaker 1: is not a bad quarterback or even a quote unquote problem,
Speaker 1: but if he is in that rather a large middle
Speaker 1: class where if you set him up really well, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, but if you put him with a
Speaker 1: bad corps, he's gonna not help you and sometimes look
Speaker 1: even worse because he tries to force things. So like,
Speaker 1: as you try to like diagnose what has happened with
Speaker 1: the Giants surrounding this kind of quarterback with a very
Speaker 1: bad corps around him, maybe it shouldn't be a surprising
Speaker 1: because I'm trying. I'm still trying to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around how they could nose dive the way they did
Speaker 1: the way they do, and I think the quarterback not
Speaker 1: being able to raise a team plays some part well.
Speaker 3: I think we put too much faith into most coaches
Speaker 3: and Deebo did a great but the offensive line miscommunications
Speaker 3: are just so bad. They're just so bad. And that
Speaker 3: isn't on Daniel Jones, and it's like it's high school
Speaker 3: football stuff or you know, even before that, where just
Speaker 3: guys are just coming free. Like let it's so often
Speaker 3: in a Giants game where defensive end is just coming free.
Speaker 3: But it's not even they're they're not even doing anything
Speaker 3: crazy upfront where it's like, oh, they're sending seven guys.
Speaker 3: It's like no, they're just rushing for and there's some
Speaker 3: crazy miscommunication and he gets killed. So that's on coaching.
Speaker 3: I hope Sakuon comes back. Waller looked okay last week.
Speaker 3: That's a positive. And U for the Bills that we're
Speaker 3: going DVO heavy, DVOA heavy today. They are the best
Speaker 3: three and two team in the history of tv OA.
Speaker 3: And I believe in like rebound effects for good teams,
Speaker 3: like when you're picking games, like if a good team
Speaker 3: loses the week before in a way, they weren't happy
Speaker 3: with like they usually show up ready to play, and
Speaker 3: Von Miller maybe he plays a little more. He only
Speaker 3: played twenty snaps week and didn't do much, but they
Speaker 3: got Dorian Williams from Two Lane University stepping in for
Speaker 3: Milano and he looked pretty good last week at lineback.
Speaker 1: Did you just did you just throw out something that's
Speaker 1: a record? Through Week five? There, I didn't say a record.
Speaker 3: I'm fine saying it as a stack, but we're not
Speaker 3: saying break the record. You can use it for context,
Speaker 3: but it's like he has broken the record.
Speaker 1: It's just the wording of records. What did you say?
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Maybe I messed it up. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, what's honestly the difference. It's not like
Speaker 1: there's some museum where that's my point. Yeah, but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference between what you just did and people
Speaker 1: bringing up the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: When they're making like a huge deal of like the
Speaker 3: moment that they reach it or whatever, like, Hey, you
Speaker 3: just brough it's you literally the words broke the record.
Speaker 1: That's it. Hey you just got the record? Did I
Speaker 1: say that? Well, you know, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: said record, Mark I don't know were you listening or close.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're in the words business.
Speaker 2: You made quite a no rotation out of a five
Speaker 2: game stretch for a team.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, you said they're the best. You said
Speaker 1: they're the best three and two team ever.
Speaker 3: In Yeah, in Dvoa they're the best you know, three
Speaker 3: and two team. That's a that's providing context. I'm all
Speaker 3: about stats providing context. Even the yards for the Dolphins
Speaker 3: is a good thing to mention. I think you're misunderstanding
Speaker 3: my point. It's not a record, that's it.
Speaker 1: We're we're in the words business. Words matter. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you again, Greg for clearing things up for me. Okay,
Speaker 1: mission accomplished, So I get it. I'm with you.
Speaker 2: But one quick thing on Daniel Jones where it's like
Speaker 2: I like, I'm with you, Like I think like last
Speaker 2: year was was probably the aberration campaign and he stayed
Speaker 2: healthy and so did a lot of other people. Like
Speaker 2: when Tyrod Taylor came in this game, Like you know,
Speaker 2: when Tyrod Taylor can move around and he's not he's
Speaker 2: a solid backup, like he was getting killed. I mean
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, they allow eleven sacks on Monday Night
Speaker 2: seven and Week five, the PFF hasn't ast the worst
Speaker 2: not only the worst pass protecting unit, but the worst
Speaker 2: run blocking. It's like, it's kind of hard to evaluate
Speaker 2: what's happening in this offense. When I think Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: at this point, it's like you kind of worry about
Speaker 2: the fact that he's probably just seeing ghosts and like
Speaker 2: concerned about his own safety. I mean, it's like these
Speaker 2: Get Giants games, it's like the Monday night game, Like,
Speaker 2: get Daniel Jones out of there, but then you have
Speaker 2: to put another human in there. I'd be worried about
Speaker 2: that person's safety too. This is a disaster, and I
Speaker 2: don't know how you get your way out of this
Speaker 2: because offensive line coaching matters. There's obviously a problem there,
Speaker 2: and you don't have the people to make this thing work.
Speaker 1: You know what else could be a disaster. A segment
Speaker 1: we have coming up right after these previews here in
Speaker 1: a very special day in the history of Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: coming up in just a little bit. Sessler at fifty, Well,
Speaker 1: you don't know, may surprise you. That's one that I'm
Speaker 1: tuning in for.
Speaker 2: I think, like the thing about the you know, the
Speaker 2: trajectory of the next fifty years in the in the
Speaker 2: other fifty things you didn't know about, Like I could
Speaker 2: I think I could pack a punch here. You know,
Speaker 2: there are some things I think I could do well,
Speaker 2: and this would be one of them in terms of
Speaker 2: divulging information that would surprise some people.
Speaker 1: All Right, finally, okay, this one. This one feels competitive
Speaker 1: and perhaps even fun. The Dallas Cowboys deeply humbled once
Speaker 1: again by the San Francisco forty nine Ers, now three
Speaker 1: and two, they head to Sofi Stadium for a matchup
Speaker 1: with the Chargers, who are coming off a bye week,
Speaker 1: who are chemically dependent on creating drama within games and
Speaker 1: making sure, no matter what the circumstances are, the game
Speaker 1: will come down to the final minutes. So on one hand, Greg,
Speaker 1: this feels like and I, you know, I like the
Speaker 1: Chargers enough to think that they're not just some pushover
Speaker 1: that the better team comes in and gets right against them.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that. But if the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a little chip on their shoulder after being embarrassed, this
Speaker 1: is not a great time to catch the Cowboys for me.
Speaker 1: So I think that the Chargers are gonna have a
Speaker 1: very angry Dallas team that is going to have a
Speaker 1: lot to play for after being humbled the way they are.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I agree with that, and that's why I'll probably pick
Speaker 3: the Cowboys to win. But I expect this to be
Speaker 3: one of my favorite games of the week, one of
Speaker 3: my favorite matchups of the season so far, just because
Speaker 3: it's like drama.
Speaker 1: You just know they're gonna bring it. Justin.
Speaker 3: Herbert will do some crazy stuff, Mike McCarthy will make
Speaker 3: some crazy decisions so well, Brandon Staley, it'll go late,
Speaker 3: Troy and Joe will be having fun. I just can't
Speaker 3: imagine this game occurring without a crazy ending. What two
Speaker 3: teams have been more reliably like drama merchants than these
Speaker 3: two over the last five years.
Speaker 1: So I'm into it. I'm with you.
Speaker 2: It's a I think Dallas is gonna do things like
Speaker 2: this all season where they're gonna disappoint maybe places you
Speaker 2: didn't expect as you did. But then they're a bounce
Speaker 2: back team. They got a lot of talent, and I
Speaker 2: just think this this Chargers defense is an opportunity they
Speaker 2: right now. They have allowed explosive passes on about sixteen
Speaker 2: percent of opposing dropbacks, and we just talked about Denver.
Speaker 2: Only the Denver Broncos and Pittsburgh Steelers have allowed those
Speaker 2: plays at a higher rate.
Speaker 1: So I think that fits well with like a bounce.
Speaker 3: Maybe Brandon Staley went into the lab mark in the
Speaker 3: bye week and Brandon Staley figured.
Speaker 2: Sure, Maybe he went to Toronto and took a week off.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know what he did. Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like he's been in the lab for two
Speaker 2: plus years with a lot with a lot of additions
Speaker 2: last offseason too, and parts that fit his defense, and
Speaker 2: we didn't see it. I mean, I think like one
Speaker 2: thing that's kind of like to trade J. C. Jackson
Speaker 2: away is sort of like, you know, a bit of
Speaker 2: a tell that like you you get these guys, you're
Speaker 2: you're spending this money and they're not working. It's like
Speaker 2: this defense just is not a difference maker. But I
Speaker 2: do have hope in like what Herbert's done so far
Speaker 2: this season, I think you're gonna get the best version
Speaker 2: of Herbert all year long. And so it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: these charts we talk We talked to Daniel Jeremiah on
Speaker 2: Sunday night in the viewing room and we were just like,
Speaker 2: that's a great game you got coming up. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's be like every single game, Like the Chargers could
Speaker 2: play your high school and it.
Speaker 1: Would still come down to the final drive.
Speaker 2: So I just expect to, you know, be there in
Speaker 2: the with about fifty seconds to go, someone knocking on
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 1: Good news for the Bolts. It appears they're gonna finally
Speaker 1: get Austin Eckler back. He said last week that there
Speaker 1: is a quote long time between now and Monday Night
Speaker 1: football versus the Cowboys, so expecting to be back by then,
Speaker 1: for sure. He's been out three weeks with an ankle injury,
Speaker 1: and you know, he is such a huge addition for
Speaker 1: that Chargers team, especially I've always found in the red
Speaker 1: zone where he is just so gifted at and has
Speaker 1: such a nose for the goal line. So there is
Speaker 1: greg for the Chargers dreamers out there, of which you
Speaker 1: are one of them. There is certainly, even post Mike
Speaker 1: Williams injury, this world where Herbert continues to play at
Speaker 1: an MVP level and then you bring in this dynamic
Speaker 1: all purpose running back and they go up a level
Speaker 1: on offense, and then they start to kind of really
Speaker 1: build something here and they become a truly frisky contender
Speaker 1: in the AFC. This is a nice way to announce yourself.
Speaker 1: Is that way against Dallas in primetime? It would be
Speaker 1: fun to see it. Let's see if they can do
Speaker 1: it right.
Speaker 3: I'm with all that, But they've had a pretty favorable
Speaker 3: schedule in terms of opposing defenses, and this is a
Speaker 3: step up in class.
Speaker 1: I thought their offensive line was going to be great
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: It's been good, but it kind of struggled in that
Speaker 3: Raiders game, which was conserving. Herbert also hurt his finger
Speaker 3: in that game and it was definitely the worst game
Speaker 3: of herbert season in terms of his accuracy and decision making.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the finger or not.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to be able to
Speaker 3: take snaps from center. We never really heard, like I
Speaker 3: think he broke the you know, he broke the finger, right,
Speaker 3: but it was on the offhand, and so that.
Speaker 1: That could be a factor. And I just I do worry.
Speaker 3: Do they have the horses to go deep because Keenan
Speaker 3: Allen has been making plays down the field. But it's Allen,
Speaker 3: it's Josh Palmer, Quinton Johnson, you know, make a tough
Speaker 3: catch Quinton Johnson, Like I can kind of see why
Speaker 3: they're not giving him a ton of snaps. They're kind
Speaker 3: of giving their return guy some more snaps. Like I
Speaker 3: do worry whether he has enough against a good Cowboys defense,
Speaker 3: but maybe it's not as good of a Cowboys defense
Speaker 3: as we thought, certainly in the back end without tre
Speaker 3: vending well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean they I mean, you know that Arizona game, Like
Speaker 2: I get that it was a weird contest, but it
Speaker 2: was this first moment where it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: what are you doing giving up two hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: two yards rushing? And then they got gashed against the Niners.
Speaker 2: They've given up four hundred plus and two of their
Speaker 2: last three games. So I think there's like this matters
Speaker 2: for them to come up and show up. And I
Speaker 2: it is this week where it's like you just kind
Speaker 2: of presume that Dallas will bounce back and win, but like,
Speaker 2: imagine the NFL landscape if they don't.
Speaker 1: If they go in. I don't assume that. I don't
Speaker 1: assume that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I, like I said, I'm picking the Cowboys
Speaker 3: probably this game. They got a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: I got, I got a great game. I have Dak
Speaker 1: thrown a huge interception late that allows the Chargers to
Speaker 1: steal one with another Herbert big throw as he really
Speaker 1: takes hold. In the MVP conversation, thirty five thirty one bolts.
Speaker 1: I like that. I will.
Speaker 2: I also think that in their home stadium, with probably
Speaker 2: about a seventy five percent Cowboys crowd, the Charger you're
Speaker 2: going to say, we don't care about that. You're going
Speaker 2: to get one of these great Herbert games that shuts
Speaker 2: up the remaining.
Speaker 1: Herbert doubters for a while.
Speaker 2: And I think they take it twenty eight to twenty
Speaker 2: four final seconds.
Speaker 3: I'm a spooked. I hope you guys are right. I'm
Speaker 3: going to take the Cowboys. You know, they did finally
Speaker 3: get their offensive line. Let's go thirty four to thirty three.
Speaker 3: This thing's just wild. They did finally get the offensive
Speaker 3: line back that they intended to have when they drafted
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith with everyone helped healthy Biadis at you know,
Speaker 3: at center and Tyron Smith at left tech. It literally
Speaker 3: had never played together until last week. But you know,
Speaker 3: so that's a year plus four games until last week,
Speaker 3: and they weren't amazing against San Francisco.
Speaker 1: But maybe they'll get better.
Speaker 3: I think it's a big game for your boy McCarthy
Speaker 3: because he got rid of Kellen Moore and now he's
Speaker 3: going against Kellen Moore. And the old Texas Coast offense
Speaker 3: has limited Dak's interceptions relatively until last week. But even then,
Speaker 3: his interceptions have gone down, but every other offensive stat
Speaker 3: has gone down this year for Dallas yards yards per attempt.
Speaker 3: They can't get Brandon Cooks involved whatsoever. Now comes a
Speaker 3: Chargers defense that's pretty soft, and you should be able
Speaker 3: to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's show me something, you know, what's really jumped out.
Speaker 1: The Dax ceed lamp thing hasn't happened really this year, right,
Speaker 1: and Tony Pollard hasn't in general. Yeah, you're right. The
Speaker 1: offense is not necessarily humming right now. And uh, you
Speaker 1: know yeah, Mike McCarthy's gonna have to face some criticism
Speaker 1: if they don't show up in this game. But I
Speaker 1: think they will. I think we're gonna get points. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think maybe for me. I gotta say it.
Speaker 1: For me, I've always I've been on the fence a
Speaker 1: little bit the last year or two on DAK. It's
Speaker 1: almost like Sunday night was a tipping point for me.
Speaker 1: I just I'm kind of out on Dak, so he's
Speaker 1: got to win. He's got to win me back get hot.
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's I'm waiting for the string of games
Speaker 2: that announced him and the Cowboys as something different than
Speaker 2: I already thought they were.
Speaker 3: It's been a while since he had a special game,
Speaker 3: even as a Dak.
Speaker 1: The wild card game against the Bucks, he was awesome,
Speaker 1: but like in general, it's it's been, you know, since
Speaker 1: the god I mean, if you really want to dig
Speaker 1: in a little bit, which let's not because we got
Speaker 1: to catch a bird, but really since the leg injury,
Speaker 1: has Dak been top ten quarterback? I would say no,
Speaker 1: But let's take and then let's see what he does
Speaker 1: on Monday Night. Anything else?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we got we got those banger Mark segments, right,
Speaker 3: Oh we have?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I got developing news here. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm Palm Roja out of Los Angeles. Stussler at fifty
Speaker 1: New Docs cast doubt over podcasters actual age. Let's see
Speaker 1: the birth certificate, Sessler. We're we've gotten to this place.
Speaker 2: I mean, so am I actually pretending that I'm older
Speaker 2: than I am.
Speaker 1: Is that right? But there's a you're actually like a
Speaker 1: sixty eight year old, leather faced old man that's been
Speaker 1: using a filter for years decade on the show. That
Speaker 1: would be incredible if that were true. No, in fact,
Speaker 1: if there was doubt. I mean the Manny Pacquiao workouts,
Speaker 1: the Hector Macho Camacho workouts. You're looking great, buddy at fifty,
Speaker 1: and we're very lucky to have you with us. How
Speaker 1: about we have a couple of two tree drinks at
Speaker 1: the airport bar to celebrate this momentous day.
Speaker 2: That is in that's only in a few hours from now.
Speaker 2: I genuinely am excited to go to London with you
Speaker 2: guys on this day. And well that is exactly what
Speaker 2: we'll do when we meet at lax which in outside
Speaker 2: of the airport bar is a disaster of a place,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna mine our way through that airport scenario.
Speaker 1: Well, why am I still talking? I don't. It's okay,
Speaker 1: this is your day, all right, and that's it for
Speaker 1: us here from America for a week. Well, next time
Speaker 1: you hear from us, yes, we will be overseas in London,
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Speaker 1: out there. Until then, Happy birthday, Mark and E the
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