Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Steff.
Speaker 1: I've never told you flectu.
Speaker 2: I heart radio, and it is time for another edition
Speaker 2: of Female First, which means we are once again joined
Speaker 2: by the superb the super Eeves.
Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've missed you.
Speaker 3: I know I took a little month off there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I wasn't good. I hope it was a
Speaker 1: good month of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definition of good. I mean, as we were just
Speaker 4: talking about before we started recording, Annie, things are very
Speaker 4: up and down. Sometimes things really felt like they're in disarray.
Speaker 3: But I mean I did go on a trip.
Speaker 4: You know, I got some outdoors time, I got some
Speaker 4: camping time in, and I got like some so low time.
Speaker 3: So like time to chill. So I guess that could
Speaker 3: be considered good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good. Yes, it's kind of a retreat.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, unless you know, thoughts scream at you, and
Speaker 5: then that's not great. But that's a whole different conversation.
Speaker 4: Say every night thing, Samantha, that is the existential crisis
Speaker 4: that happens when I'm laying there trying my best to
Speaker 4: go to sleep.
Speaker 5: And all the things come across her. Do you get
Speaker 5: these odd questions when you're thinking things through and you're
Speaker 5: literally trying to sleep, does it like right out in
Speaker 5: your head?
Speaker 3: Is that just no? Do you mean like you can
Speaker 3: visualize the words?
Speaker 5: Yes, Like it's like a script in my head that
Speaker 5: goes through wow instead of pictures. Sometimes Okay, I'm not one,
Speaker 5: let's keep going.
Speaker 3: I've too much.
Speaker 1: I think I don't get like words.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll get very specific phrases that I hear in
Speaker 2: my mind, but I don't see words write it's going.
Speaker 5: To write in and be like, that's actually you should
Speaker 5: see a doctor.
Speaker 1: Well that's always us plus the benefit, I guess.
Speaker 5: But anyway, that's not what we're talking about today.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: But something else that happened while you were going to
Speaker 2: ease is that you started a new show show.
Speaker 3: Yes I did.
Speaker 4: It's called on Theme, and I'm co host of it
Speaker 4: with Katie Mitchell, who's a bookstore owner and a longtime
Speaker 4: friend of mine.
Speaker 2: Yes, I cannot wait, so listeners definitely go check that out.
Speaker 2: But also Katie's gonna come on the show and we're
Speaker 2: going to have a conversation about it.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to meet Katie. E meet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am too. I'm excited for that to happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely keep an ear out for that. Listeners, Can
Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about what the show
Speaker 2: is about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's about black storytelling in all its forms.
Speaker 4: So that can mean books, that can mean movies, television, shows, plays, obituaries.
Speaker 3: You know, it can mean.
Speaker 4: All sorts of things, like anywhere in any way that
Speaker 4: storytelling shows up in the ways that black people are
Speaker 4: involved in it in music as well, which is a
Speaker 4: huge way in which, like hip hop is such a
Speaker 4: like popular form of music, and it's a huge way
Speaker 4: that black storytelling shows up. And like literally our everyday
Speaker 4: lives and dominates so many different spaces, but it goes
Speaker 4: far and beyond like all those things that we talk
Speaker 4: about on the show, and we just really wanted a
Speaker 4: place that was a forum to have conversations about black storytelling,
Speaker 4: considering how powerful it is, how impactful it is, how
Speaker 4: much we all everyone in the world enjoys black storytelling
Speaker 4: on a daily basis. So we've started and we've already
Speaker 4: got several episodes up, so if everyone wants to go
Speaker 4: listen to them. Wherever you're listening to Sminty, you can
Speaker 4: also go listen to one theme.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, so exciting.
Speaker 5: I do have a question, because you and I share
Speaker 5: a love for musicals, will you be talking about Brandy
Speaker 5: and Whitney Houston's Cinderella please?
Speaker 6: You know that?
Speaker 4: Thank you for that, Samantha. Honestly, that has not come
Speaker 4: up and topics of conversation, I know, but thank you
Speaker 4: for that. We're gonna have to talk to Katie about
Speaker 4: that because it is a quintessential piece of storytelling that
Speaker 4: includes black actors in it, even though the original content
Speaker 4: is not specifically a black but definitely the black community.
Speaker 4: I can't speak for the black community, and I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna pretend like I can, but I think the black
Speaker 4: community would vote for that as being a black property.
Speaker 5: I just say, like Brandy is iconic in every way,
Speaker 5: but I feel like she just really she was already
Speaker 5: big at before this point, but like really put herself
Speaker 5: as a princess, like when we didn't see that in
Speaker 5: Disney World. So I just I always think about it.
Speaker 5: I can't help it. It just comes to my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great idea. Sorry, Sorry, don't be sorry
Speaker 3: for giving free game. You just gave me an.
Speaker 1: Idea in my head.
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's this whole like name about men't think
Speaker 5: about the Roman Empire every day. I think Brandy Cinderella
Speaker 5: is my Roman Empire because I think about it at
Speaker 5: least once a day.
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is just a thing that sild
Speaker 3: to bring it into conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: From now on, Samantha, I want every conversation with you
Speaker 2: to somehow come back.
Speaker 3: Don't threaten a good time.
Speaker 2: I think that would be amazing. Give me the most
Speaker 2: obscure thing too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Listeners, definitely go check out on the go, subscribe, leave
Speaker 2: those good reviews, and check it out because it is
Speaker 2: that is very relevant to a lot of the topics
Speaker 2: that you bring onto this show. Oh yeah, including the
Speaker 2: person we're talking about today. Can you tell us who.
Speaker 4: We're discuss So today we're talking about Susie King Taylor,
Speaker 4: and Annie was saying it's relevant because she did have
Speaker 4: a memoir and a lot of the people that we
Speaker 4: bring on here, fortunately not all of them, but a
Speaker 4: lot of them were able to document their own stories
Speaker 4: and other people were able to document their stories. And
Speaker 4: that is the case in a very significant and impactful
Speaker 4: way in Susie King Taylor's life. She was the first
Speaker 4: black American army nurse. She was also the first black
Speaker 4: educator known to teach in a school for formerly enslaved
Speaker 4: Black Americans in Georgia. And she was the first and
Speaker 4: only Black American woman to publish a memoir of her
Speaker 4: wartime experiences during the Civil War. So she had a
Speaker 4: lot of contributions in terms of her first She.
Speaker 2: Did multiple first Yeah, So shall we get.
Speaker 4: Into her history for sure? So she was born in
Speaker 4: August of eighteen forty eight. Her name was Susan Baker,
Speaker 4: and she was born in Liberty County, Georgia, which isn't
Speaker 4: that far from Savannahs a little bit south of it.
Speaker 4: Her parents were Raymond and hagar Anne Baker, and she
Speaker 4: was the first of their nine children, though a few
Speaker 4: of them did die in infancy, which she talks about
Speaker 4: in her memoir. Briefly, she was born enslaved and she
Speaker 4: lived on a plantation for the first seven years of
Speaker 4: her life, and they lived on the Valentine Gress Plantation
Speaker 4: which is in Midway, Georgia, although her father was at
Speaker 4: a different plantation for a time in Georgia. In eighteen
Speaker 4: fifty five, This wasn't the most common occurrence, but it
Speaker 4: did happen for Susie. Her enslavers let her go and
Speaker 4: live with her grandmother, Dolly Reid in Savannah, And when
Speaker 4: I was looking up her story, it said that Dolly
Speaker 4: Reid was quasi free, and I was like, that makes
Speaker 4: what does that mean?
Speaker 3: That makes no sense to me?
Speaker 4: Can you tell me what that means? It seems like
Speaker 4: her grandmother may have either been free or may have
Speaker 4: been enslaved and hired out, but either way, her grandmother
Speaker 4: had a modicum of flexibility in terms of Susie being
Speaker 4: able to come live with her. Her grandmother did took
Speaker 4: that a little further and helped educate Susie. So there,
Speaker 4: of course were laws against educating black people at the time,
Speaker 4: but Susie, with the help of her grandmother, was able
Speaker 4: to go to two secret schools taught by free black
Speaker 4: women and family friends, so she got an education there.
Speaker 4: They talk about all the sources talk about how the
Speaker 4: kids would come in at different times, so they would
Speaker 4: kind of come in one by one, so it when
Speaker 4: it looked.
Speaker 3: Like they were there to be educated.
Speaker 4: And also there was other domestic services, other things that
Speaker 4: they could be taught besides things like reading and writing
Speaker 4: that they would be coming in for. So it wasn't
Speaker 4: completely off the wall to see these kids going in,
Speaker 4: but they didn't have them all come in at the
Speaker 4: same time, and the books they brought in they would
Speaker 4: even bring in covered in some way. So there came
Speaker 4: a point though, when Susie she learned what she could
Speaker 4: with him, and there were a couple of other people
Speaker 4: who were one was a neighbor and the other was
Speaker 4: a landlord's son who she also talks about in her
Speaker 4: memoir tutored her and helped her continue her education when
Speaker 4: she had gotten what she could get from her school experiences.
Speaker 4: By eighteen sixty two, though, Susi had moved back in
Speaker 4: with her mother in Liberty County, and at this point
Speaker 4: the Civil War had begun. Savannah, Georgia, was a big
Speaker 4: site of conflict in the Civil War, and Confederate troops
Speaker 4: occupied Fort Pulaski, which is down there in Savannah, from
Speaker 4: January of eighteen sixty one to April of eighteen sixty two.
Speaker 4: On April first of eighteen sixty two, Union forces attacked
Speaker 4: Fort Pulaski, and oftentimes enslaved people would flee to their
Speaker 4: freedom under times of heightened conflict in war, so the
Speaker 4: Union Army at first would turn them to their enslavers,
Speaker 4: but later they began considering them quote unquote contrabands of
Speaker 4: war and they made the military laborers, so they were
Speaker 4: kind of off of the hook for having to return them.
Speaker 3: To their enslavers.
Speaker 4: But in Susi's story, in April of eighteen sixty two,
Speaker 4: she her uncle and many other enslaved black people escaping
Speaker 4: slavery made it to a boat that was headed out
Speaker 4: to Saint Catharine's Island, which is not far from where
Speaker 4: they were in Georgia on the east coast, and then
Speaker 4: Saint Simon's Island on the unionship the USS Potomska. So
Speaker 4: Simon's Island at the time, it is, if people aren't
Speaker 4: familiar with it, a barrier island that's off the east
Speaker 4: coast of Georgia, and at that time it was Union occupied.
Speaker 4: So on the ship and on Saint Simon's Island, army
Speaker 4: officers were like, ooh, an educated black person, but look
Speaker 4: at that, we haven't seen much of that before. Essentially,
Speaker 4: they realized how educated she was. They realized that she
Speaker 4: could read, and she could write so, and they arranged
Speaker 4: for her to teach on the island. So she was
Speaker 4: still very young at the time. She was still only
Speaker 4: around fourteen years old, but she began at that time
Speaker 4: teaching children to write during the day and at night
Speaker 4: she would teach adults to read and write. And this
Speaker 4: is where someone of her first comes in. So she
Speaker 4: became the first black person to teach at a freedman's
Speaker 4: school in Georgia. She taught the hundreds of people who
Speaker 4: were there who were previously enslaved.
Speaker 3: So later in.
Speaker 4: Eighteen sixty two, she moved to Beaufort, South Carolina, and
Speaker 4: this is where the first South Carolina Volunteer Infantry Regiment
Speaker 4: formed under General Rufus Saxton. They were the first black
Speaker 4: regiment in the US Army, and then a couple of
Speaker 4: years later though, they became the thirty third United States
Speaker 4: Colored Troops, but by that point black folks could enlist
Speaker 4: in segregated units. They didn't get paid for the first
Speaker 4: eighteen months of their service though, but Susie ended up
Speaker 4: marrying a guy named Edward King, who was an officer
Speaker 4: in the thirty third and they eventually did go on
Speaker 4: to have one son, but from eighteen sixty two to
Speaker 4: eighteen sixty six, Susie worked with the thirty third. So
Speaker 4: we've heard this term times before in other episodes of
Speaker 4: Female First, and that is laundress. That's what Susie's official
Speaker 4: title was, but that wasn't the extent of the work
Speaker 4: that she did. She also worked as a nurse, as
Speaker 4: a cook, as a teacher, and she cleaned and she
Speaker 4: tested weapons and as I'm sure we are and so
Speaker 4: many of the listeners are familiar with having one title
Speaker 4: and doing so many other things beyond that title. So
Speaker 4: she was definitely that, and she was a laundress and
Speaker 4: did those other things. But because she was titled a laundress,
Speaker 4: that did like actually affect the economics of her position.
Speaker 4: She said in her book quote, I was enrolled as
Speaker 4: company laundress, but I did very little of it because
Speaker 4: I was always busy doing other things through camp and
Speaker 4: was employed all the time doing something for the officers
Speaker 4: and comrades.
Speaker 3: That's the end of the quote.
Speaker 4: But she was around a lot of illnesses taking care
Speaker 4: of people. But it said that she didn't get ill
Speaker 4: with anything like malaria or cholera and typhoid, which were
Speaker 4: present at the time. But going back to the idea
Speaker 4: of her being a laundressed she didn't get pay or
Speaker 4: a pension for her work. And her husband, who was
Speaker 4: an officer, he didn't end up. He did get pay eventually,
Speaker 4: but he didn't get a pension like other white people
Speaker 4: who were in the same positions did. But besides the
Speaker 4: work that she did in the regiment camps, she provided
Speaker 4: aid at nearby hospitals as well, And it's unclear which
Speaker 4: hospital she went to exactly, but it is likely that
Speaker 4: she went to one for fugitives from slavery and for
Speaker 4: wunded black soldiers. So there's lots of information about the
Speaker 4: experience that she had in wartime in her memoir, which
Speaker 4: we'll talk about later because she didn't publish it until
Speaker 4: later in her life. But just if anybody is interested
Speaker 4: in the goings on of like the battles that were happening,
Speaker 4: the conflict that was happening, what her role in it was,
Speaker 4: and some of the people that were around her in
Speaker 4: the war that she was seeing, that.
Speaker 3: Information is in her memoir.
Speaker 4: And indeed, like a lot of the information that we
Speaker 4: know about Susie King Taylor in general comes from her memoir.
Speaker 4: But after the war, Susie and Edward moved to Savannah.
Speaker 3: She wanted to keep.
Speaker 4: Teaching and open a school for newly free people, and
Speaker 4: Edward wanted to work in his trade, which he was
Speaker 4: a carpenter, but he wasn't able to get jobs because
Speaker 4: of his race in the field, and instead he took
Speaker 4: work unloading ships. But he ended up dying in an
Speaker 4: accident in September of eighteen sixty six. And not long
Speaker 4: after that is when the couple's son was born, and
Speaker 4: so she did have family help helping raise the son,
Speaker 4: because at that point, you know, her son's father was
Speaker 4: no longer there to be help, and of course she
Speaker 4: had her hands full as well doing the teaching work
Speaker 4: that she was doing. And of course it was already
Speaker 4: difficult in this post war period to make money for anybody,
Speaker 4: but like for a black woman in the state of
Speaker 4: Georgia at the time, it was difficult for her. She
Speaker 4: did pursue her goals and her dreams of opening the school.
Speaker 4: She opened a few fee based schools in the area
Speaker 4: over the next couple of years, but free public schools
Speaker 4: for black children were opening and it was hard for
Speaker 4: her to compete with them. It was also generally hard
Speaker 4: to make money because of the war had devastated the economy,
Speaker 4: so she lost students to those schools, She lost money
Speaker 4: to those schools, and she turned to domestic work, which
Speaker 4: is something that she knew she could rely on to
Speaker 4: be able to support herself and her family. She took
Speaker 4: work for a wealthy family. She went with them to
Speaker 4: Boston in the early eighteen seventies, where she would eventually
Speaker 4: end up living until she died, although she did return
Speaker 4: to the South occasionally, and she talks about that in
Speaker 4: her memoir as well, her experiences dealing with segregation in
Speaker 4: the South, the separate and equal circumstances Jim Crow and
Speaker 4: from her specific perspective, she had done all of this
Speaker 4: truly selfless work of participating in the war, like her
Speaker 4: efforts of nursing, of helping people who were fighting, and
Speaker 4: she saw these other things going on, and then on
Speaker 4: one side, she was like, I did this for a reason.
Speaker 4: I was dedicated to it, like I believe in this
Speaker 4: place and our ability to move forward. And also I'm
Speaker 4: seeing all these other, this other, this racism and discrimination
Speaker 4: that's happening. And that was something that she talked about
Speaker 4: and wrestled with and to reconcile in her writing.
Speaker 3: But she eventually met and married.
Speaker 4: Russell Taylor, who was her second husband, and she starved
Speaker 4: with the Women's Relief Corps, which was a Civil War
Speaker 4: veterans organization, and even became president of her corps in
Speaker 4: eighteen ninety three. So years later, in eighteen ninety eight,
Speaker 4: she went to Louisiana to care for her son who
Speaker 4: was ill, but he did end up dying that year.
Speaker 4: So through the course of her going back to Louisiana,
Speaker 4: there are these instances of her facing discrimination, and she
Speaker 4: talks about that in her memoir which she published in
Speaker 4: nineteen oh two, and the name of that was Reminiscences
Speaker 4: of my Life in Camp with the thirty third United
Speaker 4: States Colored Troops late first South Carolina Volunteers.
Speaker 3: So I won't say that whole thing every time.
Speaker 1: Very specific, though very clear.
Speaker 4: It is very clear. We love a good subheading. But
Speaker 4: that made her first. She was the first and only
Speaker 4: black American woman to publish account of her experiences in
Speaker 4: the Civil War.
Speaker 3: And she says in the preface to that.
Speaker 4: Book that she didn't even think that she would write
Speaker 4: the memoir, but that Colonel C. T. Troubridge, who commanded
Speaker 4: that regiment, encouraged her to and that inspired her to
Speaker 4: write down her experiences. Memoirs of wartime were pretty abundant
Speaker 4: for the Civil War and generally in and during other
Speaker 4: war times as well, but a lot of the time
Speaker 4: those were men who were writing those accounts. But Susie
Speaker 4: hoped that the book showed quote how much service and
Speaker 4: good we can do to each other, and what sacrifices
Speaker 4: we can make for our liberty and rights, and that
Speaker 4: there were loyal women as well as men in those
Speaker 4: days who did not fear shell or shot, who cared
Speaker 4: for the sick and dying, women who camped and feared
Speaker 4: as the boys did, and who are still caring for
Speaker 4: the comrades in their declining years.
Speaker 3: And that's the end of that quote.
Speaker 4: So it was definitely a feat and an effort that
Speaker 4: was important to her to write this memoir, and it
Speaker 4: was clear that she was aware of her role as
Speaker 4: a woman in the effort and also actually writing down
Speaker 4: her experiences and trying to disseminate them to a wider audience.
Speaker 4: It's about her life when she was enslaved. It's about
Speaker 4: her life as an emancipated woman, and it's about her
Speaker 4: life as an educator and a nurse, in her life
Speaker 4: as a black woman in the South.
Speaker 3: So it really is kind of a privilege to be
Speaker 3: able to.
Speaker 4: Have her self professed account of that situation in so
Speaker 4: many of those different ways that gives us insight into
Speaker 4: not just her life, but the life of other people
Speaker 4: who we may not know about, who contributed in the
Speaker 4: ways that she did. Because if we just looked at
Speaker 4: her stories and saw her title as laundress and considered
Speaker 4: that it just ended there, then there's so much else
Speaker 4: about her life that would be left out. And she
Speaker 4: wrote about the discrimination that she faced in the South.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so the book is available online for everybody
Speaker 4: to read, and there is commentary on it as well
Speaker 4: in certain editions of the book, and a little bit
Speaker 4: more context around it and what her contributions meant. But
Speaker 4: there are a bunch of other quotes from the book
Speaker 4: that I could pull out, but I'll let people go
Speaker 4: and discover that on the own. But I will give
Speaker 4: another one, and that's I wonder if our white fellow
Speaker 4: men realized the true sense of meaning of brotherhood. For
Speaker 4: two hundred years we had toiled for them. The War
Speaker 4: of eighteen sixty one came and was ended, and we
Speaker 4: thought our race was forever free from bondage, and that
Speaker 4: the two races could live in unity with each other.
Speaker 4: But when we read almost every day of what is
Speaker 4: being done to my race by some whites in the South,
Speaker 4: I sometimes ask was the war in vain? Has it
Speaker 4: brought freedom in the full sense of the word, or
Speaker 4: has it not made our condition more hopeless? And that's
Speaker 4: the end of the quote and the sentiments behind that,
Speaker 4: the idea of questioning whether the work we're doing is
Speaker 4: fulfilling and it's purposeful, and it's actually making any change,
Speaker 4: the idea of what freedom actually is, the sense of
Speaker 4: questioning the word freedom itself and everything that it entails.
Speaker 4: Thinking about conditions that she saw throughout the course of
Speaker 4: her life, trying to think about whether they had improved
Speaker 4: at all and in what ways those improvements had been made.
Speaker 4: You can see her working through those questions and from
Speaker 4: a very personal perspective to where she was literally tending
Speaker 4: to people who have been harmed, specifically working with black
Speaker 4: people who were fighting for the United States, and doing
Speaker 4: it in a way that was very altruistic a lot
Speaker 4: of this was she was lending her time and her
Speaker 4: body to this effort and not seeing pay for it.
Speaker 4: And when she was seeing pay for the things she
Speaker 4: was doing, it was so very little. So it's just
Speaker 4: very insightful for her to see her wrestling with these
Speaker 4: questions and how everything she saw affected her and the
Speaker 4: fact that it was published and we are still able
Speaker 4: to read it today, it's pretty important.
Speaker 3: So Susie died in nineteen twelve and.
Speaker 6: She's in Boston and that's that's her story.
Speaker 1: And you're you're totally right, it's so important.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that she wrote this down and that
Speaker 2: this exists, that we can still read it, because so
Speaker 2: often these stories are lost or erased, purposely erased, and
Speaker 2: it just it does diminish so much of what was
Speaker 2: happening or what someone's life that it's not just laundress,
Speaker 2: and that impacts like what we learn in school or
Speaker 2: what you can find on Wikipedia, for instance. Like just
Speaker 2: having this information is so important. Having this account and
Speaker 2: that it was her personal account is so important.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And you know, to go back to one.
Speaker 2: Theme, that's kind of what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: It's really, So there are a lot of accounts of
Speaker 4: people who were previously enslaved and how they viewed things
Speaker 4: and of people during wartime and in so many different ways.
Speaker 4: And it's just like every individual who's able to contribute
Speaker 4: to that history is important because everybody had different experiences,
Speaker 4: they lived in different places, they had their own different
Speaker 4: viewpoints and opinions about things, and so every single account
Speaker 4: that can add to that history, to.
Speaker 3: The archive of.
Speaker 4: Information that we have around these topics is important because
Speaker 4: it just gives us a wider view of everything that
Speaker 4: was happening, gives us a little peek into their lives.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and that's I had never heard this story before.
Speaker 2: We always love when you come on ERE so you
Speaker 2: can bring these stories to us. I'm happy too, Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: It's so sad because for us in Atlanta who have
Speaker 5: to study Georgia history and not knowing anything about this,
Speaker 5: and how little and like ignorant I am in these stories.
Speaker 5: It makes me so sad that it took me forty
Speaker 5: years to hear the story, which is why I appreciate
Speaker 5: what you're doing and all the work that you put
Speaker 5: into this, and especially knowing that this memoir is out
Speaker 5: there like that is such an amazing perspective, a first
Speaker 5: person perspective to see the heartbreaks and in the aftermaths
Speaker 5: of civil war, because yeah, oftentimes that conversation is left
Speaker 5: out of what happened after and how it was not
Speaker 5: great and what needs to happen, And especially if you're
Speaker 5: here in Georgia, and if you're from North Georgia as
Speaker 5: I was in the education, it's not as glossed over
Speaker 5: so ugly, like it's so horrific how it glossed over,
Speaker 5: and seeing her perspective and seeing how she was still
Speaker 5: hit with so much hurt, and seeing all of the
Speaker 5: heartbreak and horrific actions that were happening to our people,
Speaker 5: it's just I just I'm annoyed, Like I'm quite annoyed,
Speaker 5: because I'm like, I can't believe I'm forty three and
Speaker 5: now hearing this, this is a boo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's not like a lot of that
Speaker 4: work to cover up these stories wasn't intentional, right exactly,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean from the very beginning of the
Speaker 4: place that we saw in Susie's story how difficult it
Speaker 4: was and how she had to undercover under wraps get
Speaker 4: her education and right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's part of that conversation is like how they
Speaker 5: went through all this and that in itself is a
Speaker 5: giant story and what we need to look at and
Speaker 5: why that's so important and that we need to talk
Speaker 5: about it today.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well, thank you as always Eves for doing
Speaker 2: this work, for all the things that you do under
Speaker 2: the title. But we do love you having you, and
Speaker 2: we are very excited to talk to you and Katie
Speaker 2: in an upcoming episode.
Speaker 6: Yay.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, where can the good listeners find you?
Speaker 3: Y'all can find me.
Speaker 4: Y'all can go to my website Eves Jeffcoat dot com.
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