Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Morning.
Speaker 3: Everybody's d J n V.
Speaker 4: Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
Speaker 4: a special guest in the.
Speaker 5: Building coming now to styling, profiling, limousine, riding, jet flying,
Speaker 5: just stealing, wheeling and dealing. Son of a gun, the
Speaker 5: nature boy. Come on now, morning, good morning.
Speaker 1: You get tired of hand if you just run up
Speaker 1: on you in the airport and just start screaming that
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: And I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: How you doing today?
Speaker 2: First and fore more great?
Speaker 3: Thank you, you're doing good.
Speaker 2: Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 1: You're in town for the comic con. Right, First of
Speaker 1: a celebrity mint yell us about that. Got these great
Speaker 1: cards here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are actually gold and there's silver there too, Okay,
Speaker 6: and these are all silver. One has a golden lay
Speaker 6: in it and uh they're made by celebrity men out
Speaker 6: of Houston and uh distributed by eBay through them basically.
Speaker 2: All over there will be at at for ten thirty
Speaker 2: a mile.
Speaker 1: When you first started your wrestling career, did you see
Speaker 1: things like this and that'd be trading card which.
Speaker 6: You never never imagine, especially in silver or gold.
Speaker 3: I want to start from the beginning.
Speaker 4: For people that don't know, you know, this is always
Speaker 4: a story because kids grew up on wrestling, right, you
Speaker 4: grew up with and you see in your first superhero
Speaker 4: was a wrestler, and you wanted to be a wrestler,
Speaker 4: and you got in trouble with your mom because you
Speaker 4: jumped off the kitchen table and you broke some Yeah
Speaker 4: it was somebody bigger, full lay lock. He broke somebody's leg.
Speaker 4: So what got you Rick Fla into wrestling? What made
Speaker 4: you say I want to be a wrestler? So tell
Speaker 4: us that journey for people that don't know.
Speaker 6: Well, I grew up loving it, watching it, and uh
Speaker 6: I went to Minnesota for football, and obviously, like every
Speaker 6: idiot it comes along that wants to be in the fraternity.
Speaker 6: You're joining a fraternity and forget about college. So I
Speaker 6: had fund a fraturnity and forgot to go to class.
Speaker 6: And back then all you had to do, all you
Speaker 6: have to do is go to class. So you had
Speaker 6: to do the past, just had to show up, get
Speaker 6: your home. But you know, thirty blows aero two mile
Speaker 6: walk from the fraternity ilice. I just just and then
Speaker 6: when I became academically.
Speaker 2: Eligi.
Speaker 6: Well, I was living with Kem Petero seventy two Olympians,
Speaker 6: and Vernay aw was in Minneapolis and said, you want
Speaker 6: to be a wrestler. I said, God, I love it,
Speaker 6: but of course I'm won't try it and the rest
Speaker 6: is history. Wow, I quit a couple of times. It
Speaker 6: was a lot more intense than I anticipated.
Speaker 2: But what made you?
Speaker 1: What made you finally retire for good after fifty years?
Speaker 6: Well, I had that one match last year. You know,
Speaker 6: I still feel great. It's funny people misunderstanding. I say,
Speaker 6: I wish I could wrestle again, like I mean, I
Speaker 6: feel great. I'm probably one of the few guys it
Speaker 6: still was no hip replacements or new replacements or shoulder
Speaker 6: and I feel great. So I could, but I yeah,
Speaker 6: actually I could, but I won't.
Speaker 3: Now when you're still get when you first started.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to quit, but he didn't want to
Speaker 2: then took man's at the time. That's okay.
Speaker 4: So when you first started wrestling, break us down because
Speaker 4: you know you want it to be different from everybody else,
Speaker 4: and you were different from from everybody else.
Speaker 3: So what gave you that? In mind frame? What said?
Speaker 4: This is what I'm gonna be I'm gonna wear these robes.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be fly, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 6: I was at an airplane crash nineteen seventy five. I
Speaker 6: crashed in an airplane, killed the guy, and paralyzed two
Speaker 6: other guys. While I was weird, rehabbing and hopefully hopeful
Speaker 6: of over wrestling again, I met a guy named George
Speaker 6: Scoddess that what we make make kill ale bit like
Speaker 6: Buddy Rogers. Buddy it was very popular in the fifties
Speaker 6: and sixties nature with Buddy Rodgers. So I just took
Speaker 6: that and then the words of Harley Race. Remember Harley
Speaker 6: Flair took Rogers gimmick to a whole new level.
Speaker 1: He lied, He had no idea who that is. You
Speaker 1: survived it crashed in nineteen seventy five. You survived for
Speaker 1: a couple of times. When you survive a playing crash,
Speaker 1: how does your life change, like, what is your mentality
Speaker 1: from that point on?
Speaker 6: Well, when you're younger, you don't think about it. I thought, well,
Speaker 6: I made it, you know I was. I was, you know,
Speaker 6: a little bit intimidated to fly again for the first time.
Speaker 6: But I got on those private jets today to get
Speaker 6: here to make sure I could be on time.
Speaker 2: What do they call it again? What they a little
Speaker 2: tiny one with.
Speaker 3: Prop playing propeller?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's a jet, but only there's no
Speaker 2: bathroom or anything.
Speaker 4: It's not a cessa, not a No, it's a paper plane.
Speaker 3: I don't know it paper plane.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I would highly before you took it from the airport.
Speaker 6: I took it from I was in Columbus, Georgia at
Speaker 6: the hockey game vision Ovision jet and uh, it's great,
Speaker 6: what a way to go.
Speaker 2: I may never fly commercial again.
Speaker 1: So when you crashed in the plane, did it like
Speaker 1: explode around you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 6: No, wait, we are out ran out of gas, so
Speaker 6: they don't explosion. But it normally a small as a
Speaker 6: twin engine sets the three ten.
Speaker 2: Normally when you hit.
Speaker 6: An orchard of trees or whatever they would call it,
Speaker 6: you know, the little cartwheel plane. We were going so
Speaker 6: fast we fell from six thousand feet that we just
Speaker 6: tore down and hold of them orchard and landed in
Speaker 6: a railroad embankment that the train tracks on the alf
Speaker 6: of it, just a half a mile.
Speaker 2: From a runaway. Wow.
Speaker 1: How many was all on the plane?
Speaker 2: Six and three?
Speaker 1: Three survived and three that.
Speaker 2: Pott died and two up paralyzed and the three of
Speaker 2: us made it.
Speaker 1: Wow, do you a still have a bond the three
Speaker 1: that made it? You have to have a bond.
Speaker 6: Now there's only two of us still alive. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: we remain very close. We don't live living with each
Speaker 6: other or live close to each other. And where we
Speaker 6: talked a couple of times a year.
Speaker 1: Got you what do you miss about wrestling?
Speaker 6: If anything, the camaraderie, the fun, it right life, the
Speaker 6: Big City, China Club, New York City, China Club, Chicago.
Speaker 3: You love partying after you last what you loved, you know,
Speaker 3: being famous?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the wrestling part of it's easy. Then
Speaker 6: going on afterwards. Then you gotta hold your reputation.
Speaker 1: But that don't change for you though you the nature
Speaker 1: boy Rip Flair, I know it doesn't. You're famous everywhere
Speaker 1: you go, even.
Speaker 2: I think sounds like you have to be here.
Speaker 4: How much practice did you guys have to do when
Speaker 4: it came out to practice? No, No, there was no
Speaker 4: practice back then. You just work out and just the
Speaker 4: matches at eight and you're there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I'm a little different than a lot of
Speaker 6: a lot of guys like to go out and well
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it, but later on because of it,
Speaker 6: it's part of the deal now where the guys have
Speaker 6: to rehearse and all that. But I just was always
Speaker 6: the old school. Wait, you got to hear the crowd.
Speaker 6: You can't rehearse something you don't know all the people
Speaker 6: are going to react to. And that's one of the
Speaker 6: problems today. When the young kids had this match put together,
Speaker 6: they walk out the door and the fans aren't reacting
Speaker 6: under way they want it. And because they don't have
Speaker 6: the experience, not the ability, but we don't have the experience,
Speaker 6: they can't change it around. And that's why sometimes but
Speaker 6: they're not getting a reaction from the crowd they want.
Speaker 4: So when you you were wrestling, there was no practice.
Speaker 4: Is two men in that match and whatever happened happening.
Speaker 2: You get slapped the out coming and we.
Speaker 4: Just know from this and when you get slapped in
Speaker 4: the face, it wasn't practice, like, oh, this just slapped
Speaker 4: me in my face.
Speaker 2: Oh tell them to wow, yeah, hit me with brass knucks.
Speaker 2: We just did to chat with brass knocks.
Speaker 1: In the old days, not the real bras knuckles.
Speaker 6: Bust ourselves open. We're calling the hard ways. Jesus Christy,
Speaker 6: you can break. It's so born right here, is real? Really,
Speaker 6: just clip it over.
Speaker 1: Oh you know you gotta hit hard. You just look yeah, okay, And.
Speaker 6: Then I was always had that surgical little thing right here.
Speaker 6: That was the best part of my work. Give me,
Speaker 6: get me to my blade. I'm good you had.
Speaker 1: You had a blade in your fingers.
Speaker 3: Too, a blade in your so you could have missed
Speaker 3: and went too far.
Speaker 2: But I have a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Y'all got to have some really nice relationships.
Speaker 2: Think of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Accidentally cut somebody with a blade and not be the person,
Speaker 1: not be upset at you for Oh.
Speaker 2: No, I was never cut anybody else. I cut myself.
Speaker 1: It's oh okay, I give you say.
Speaker 2: But I have cut some guys, but they knew it
Speaker 2: coming and knew it was coming.
Speaker 3: So you must think this new wrestling is so soft
Speaker 3: with what you were dealing with.
Speaker 2: It's not soft because they do. Nothing is ever sold.
Speaker 2: It's just a different time. It's like Lawrence Taylor, good
Speaker 2: Lawrence play right now? You can if you suspended every game, you'd.
Speaker 3: Be fine so much right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean or Dick Bucker's who just passed away.
Speaker 6: The rules have just change. It's still very difficult, very
Speaker 6: physically demanded sport. These guys are doing stuff and always
Speaker 6: are jumping off.
Speaker 2: Tables and ladders, and I only did I only did
Speaker 2: that a couple of times.
Speaker 1: So what was your last match like for you? When
Speaker 1: you thought Jeff Jared and.
Speaker 6: It was great except for the fact I didn't anticipate,
Speaker 6: you know. I psyched myself out and I was dehydrated,
Speaker 6: and I went out there and we put together what
Speaker 6: I thought was there a regal match, wasn't ever going
Speaker 6: to be a masterpiece, but would put together the match.
Speaker 6: And then I got real light headed and about five
Speaker 6: minutes of the match and I said to one of
Speaker 6: the guys, I'm not feeling good. Well it just sent
Speaker 6: it went around in the ring like he's saying like
Speaker 6: his heart's bad or whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, So but we got it straightened out. But it
Speaker 2: was just funny. I just dehydrated and under Under came
Speaker 2: back to the dressing room, made me drink through gator
Speaker 2: age and I went or kid Rocks and parties with
Speaker 2: the kid all night.
Speaker 1: So I was fine, But I saw you, so you
Speaker 1: wish you wish you had picked it a different person
Speaker 1: to have your last match against you.
Speaker 6: No, No, that's a misinterpretation, and that's what the damn
Speaker 6: podcast just say it and comes out wrong.
Speaker 2: There's a guy that.
Speaker 6: I that's still active to hear Ricky Morton from the
Speaker 6: Rock and Roll Express, and if I had if I
Speaker 6: were to have a singles match, not a tag So
Speaker 6: it's always what they wanted to have a tag match
Speaker 6: because I didn't think I could make it through a
Speaker 6: singles If I was going to have a singles match
Speaker 6: now it would be with Ricky Morton. He's still active
Speaker 6: and he's doing great, and he was so good and
Speaker 6: and I'm a much better bad guy than I am
Speaker 6: a good guy.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, But you always were kind of like that.
Speaker 1: You're the bad guy, but then you're like the bad
Speaker 1: guy people root for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. That's out of respect
Speaker 2: over the years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but back then, did you make a lot of
Speaker 4: money wrestling or was it more for the endorsements outside
Speaker 4: of action?
Speaker 6: The endorsements back then it's all wrestling income, really, Yeah,
Speaker 6: because ww is the one w WF. Vince is the
Speaker 6: one that started all the marketing North the guy that
Speaker 6: started making as much money from on lunchboxes.
Speaker 3: And action figures and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like that as I did wrestling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up in South Carolina. I was telling
Speaker 1: them earlier, like I.
Speaker 2: Go God Country.
Speaker 1: So I grew up on n W A. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know then bc W. I was born in Charleston raising
Speaker 1: a small town called Monks Corner. Monks Corner, South Carolina.
Speaker 2: That's the name of that place, is the wrestles King Kintree, Kintree.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh uh it was hot one hundred.
Speaker 2: And twenty reason that village.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely every Friday night, Kintree, South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back to your last match. Mentally,
Speaker 1: how do you prepare yourself to say, okay, this is
Speaker 1: my last my last match.
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 6: I just focused on what it did, as I had
Speaker 6: four months to really get myself in shape. I mean,
Speaker 6: I work all pretty hard anyway, but to really get
Speaker 6: myself and I had made up my mind that I
Speaker 6: would be as as good as shape, not cosmetically obviously,
Speaker 6: because I'm cosmetic nightmare.
Speaker 1: That's not true. One of the ladies out there says,
Speaker 1: he's so cute, And one of the ladies out there said.
Speaker 6: That she hasn't seen about my shirt since without my
Speaker 6: shirt not so cute since my surgery. But no, just
Speaker 6: I was very I just framed. I fell forward and
Speaker 6: you know, you know you're you know Vince Lombardy's favorite
Speaker 6: saying it is fatigued, makes cowards of us all other men.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't never worry about getting tired because I was
Speaker 6: always in better shape. So I actually got myself in
Speaker 6: as good as shape as I was in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 6: I was doing five hundred free squads and wow, stuff
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, used to work out to this day.
Speaker 6: Yes, really, when I'm home, I haven't gone quite a bit,
Speaker 6: but I've go from training with John Seen a trainer Rob.
Speaker 1: I always wanted because you know you you always talk.
Speaker 1: You talked about just stereoigy, right, but you never had
Speaker 1: the physique of the.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't take I took terrors whenever, remember it too.
Speaker 6: Can't hire a forehand. Remember to take your pills exactly where.
Speaker 1: That's the only way you get that big like that.
Speaker 2: No, you get it through hard work. But you know,
Speaker 2: I wrestled so much.
Speaker 6: I didn't pay much attention to my dad when because
Speaker 6: they were wrestling, I did a lot of like our matches,
Speaker 6: and when I was younger, I like wrestled three hundred
Speaker 6: hour matches a year. So you get mentally here and
Speaker 6: then you can eat and drink what you want, and
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, your metabolism changes. Retire you
Speaker 6: got you gotta be careful, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So are you still surprised that some of your catchphrases
Speaker 4: still people are saying now to this day, and you know,
Speaker 4: even like you know, some of the rappers still want
Speaker 4: you in their videos, make songs like.
Speaker 3: Off Set, who was here this week? His album's out, you.
Speaker 4: Know, right a couple of days ago. Does that still
Speaker 4: surprise you when when these.
Speaker 3: Rapers call you things like that.
Speaker 6: That, really I'm gonna dose. You're catching them one too,
Speaker 6: you know with my catch line, nobody could be first,
Speaker 6: but anyone it could be next. Yeah, I love all studies,
Speaker 6: great metro move and those were great guys.
Speaker 2: Woman's got another one now? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Also that album came out today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, came out today. It came on today, right now?
Speaker 1: You said something you like those you cato?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in her in her new song which.
Speaker 1: One Paint the Town?
Speaker 2: It just came out. I got to hear it. The opening.
Speaker 6: The opening is none of you can be at first,
Speaker 6: but anyone, she.
Speaker 1: Said with your voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Okay, got
Speaker 1: you now? You had you had a ruption in testing
Speaker 1: two in twenty seventeen. Yeah, then you got put into
Speaker 1: a coma, a respiratory, heart failure, in ammonia, all kind
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 2: How did you total kidney failure, everything.
Speaker 1: To total Jesus Christ, How did that near death experience
Speaker 1: impact that.
Speaker 2: Changed my life?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: That when I come out of that, because I couldn't
Speaker 6: walk or anything. You know, I didn't have any memory
Speaker 6: for six months. That was when I decided that I
Speaker 6: needed to make sure that every already that managed him
Speaker 6: in my life. I told and when I'm not selling religious,
Speaker 6: I'm not going religion on you. I mean, obviously we
Speaker 6: all have our own religion, and I believe in a
Speaker 6: God very strongly. But it really made me aware of
Speaker 6: telling people that I like because you never know. I'm
Speaker 6: living proof.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 6: I was just sitting at a bar, like I will
Speaker 6: be tonight with these guys, and all of a sudden
Speaker 6: I got a pain in my stomach. I didn't wake
Speaker 6: up for thirty one days. Wow, I don't remember going
Speaker 6: to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first person you told you love
Speaker 1: when you finally.
Speaker 6: Well, it must have been my wife, Wendy. She's on
Speaker 6: our way here now. She's actually going from here to
Speaker 6: Iceland Sunday and then over to donate time in Israel
Speaker 6: for two weeks? Was it with the issues over there?
Speaker 6: So I guess that would be her. Hogan said that
Speaker 6: I looked at him and said, get me a six
Speaker 6: pack of beer. Yeah, they said, I believe it or not,
Speaker 6: they said, to which you'll find humor. And besides from
Speaker 6: all the issues of me almost dying, they said, but
Speaker 6: I went.
Speaker 2: Through a bad, bad case of the ded no booze,
Speaker 2: no drinking. They said. It was vibrating, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: because I was sick, like strapping me down.
Speaker 1: Does it matter at this point, when you get to
Speaker 1: this age and you've done it all, do you feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna listen to the doctors. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do no drinking.
Speaker 2: No that.
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't buay attention because here's the deal.
Speaker 6: I want to live now. Because guys like Ryan Fitterman
Speaker 6: and these people here AT's Liberty men are making me
Speaker 6: a lot more money. Yeah, now I want like that.
Speaker 6: You know I've paid two million alimony and two million
Speaker 6: of penalty and interest. I mean my story is interesting.
Speaker 6: Give me a real story. Million and a half the lawyers,
Speaker 6: four divorces. So this kind of stuff you got to
Speaker 6: get back.
Speaker 2: You can see something I make one morning, Ryan ever
Speaker 2: made wrestling.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 6: Just Sernaman sports man, just going and I get to
Speaker 6: hang around with Lawrence Taylor and Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2: Pete row is not a bad life.
Speaker 3: You can see this yourself. The greatest wrestle of all time?
Speaker 2: Yes, why because I am?
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not on my mound. I'm not on
Speaker 6: my Mount Rushmore. Not No, because I don't know. I
Speaker 6: believe you better have somebody else put you there. But
Speaker 6: my Mount Rushmore in terms of importance to the business
Speaker 6: is stone Cold obviously Undertaker. And I think Sean Michaels,
Speaker 6: Shawn Michaels is the greatest performer of all time in
Speaker 6: our business.
Speaker 1: So what makes you the best, Because I think everybody.
Speaker 6: Everything doesn't make me the best. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 6: being me. I never say stuff like that I consider
Speaker 6: myself to be lucky to be considered one of the best.
Speaker 2: Off of that.
Speaker 1: Why did the Rock on your Ma Rushmore?
Speaker 6: Uh, he would be excepted to stay long enough. I
Speaker 6: think part of the Round Rushmore is longevity. You know,
Speaker 6: it's hard to be really good. And Rock was great,
Speaker 6: I mean, but he took off and he said, my
Speaker 6: mom on my Round Rushmore for interview skills and everything else.
Speaker 6: And I remained very close to him. But he I mean,
Speaker 6: he was on TV. Then you do you ever watch
Speaker 6: the show? Do you watch or watch her on all? No,
Speaker 6: he came out, he was out.
Speaker 2: They were they were Boulder right, and he he was
Speaker 2: out supporting them Prime.
Speaker 6: Colorado in Colorado right. So he just dropped in for
Speaker 6: the show. But there's a new kid in the show.
Speaker 6: I think it's the United States champion, Austin Theory. The
Speaker 6: Rock came out and I was laughing about it. Em
Speaker 6: he looks at he looks at Austin Theory was one
Speaker 6: of their upcoming stars.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of TV time vests.
Speaker 6: And he said, so the Rock doesn't know who Wasstin
Speaker 6: Theory is what they gonna say. I don't know who
Speaker 6: you are. I don't think so. You know, he just
Speaker 6: had that unbelievable Monta chrism. God, and what a great guy.
Speaker 1: Do you think somebody like you, I say, like you sting,
Speaker 1: Do you think that the n W A and w
Speaker 1: c W kept you all from reaching your full potential?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: Because you know I was in the WA so long,
Speaker 6: you know, and I didn't end up going there until
Speaker 6: I was forty one, you know, so it's still I
Speaker 6: could still get around pretty good. And actually my last
Speaker 6: match with Sean when I was fifty nine, So but
Speaker 6: that was all Sean. Michael Shawn, first guy that ever
Speaker 6: said to me in my entire career is shut up,
Speaker 6: listened to me, and he looked at me and said
Speaker 6: let's do it and walked out. And there's eighty thousand
Speaker 6: people in the CITRUSO. Wow, but I did it. I
Speaker 6: just finally said, you know, he knows what he's doing,
Speaker 6: and I'm nervousness can be and I am insecure right
Speaker 6: now and I'm wondering if I can make it. And
Speaker 6: my whole family's in the front row and no pressure.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the differseny WWWWF was as
Speaker 1: far as business, Oh.
Speaker 2: For WS run like a business.
Speaker 6: Okay, WCWO was just catch his catch can Wow. Everybody
Speaker 6: everybody had their own thing going, and the guy that
Speaker 6: ran it just he liked creating dissension between let's say
Speaker 6: it's Scott Hall and Kevin with the nWo the head guys, right,
Speaker 6: obviously there are other guys. And it was stinging Luger
Speaker 6: and then Hulk and Randy. I mean he's he just
Speaker 6: likes to create, not create, right. It was his stylin
Speaker 6: doing business and nothing ever works like that. And then
Speaker 6: Hulk had, you know, total creative control, which I don't
Speaker 6: blame him for.
Speaker 2: He brought.
Speaker 6: He brought a lot to the table, but it's just
Speaker 6: hard to you know, to function. I mean they did,
Speaker 6: and they did great for eighty three weeks, but the
Speaker 6: end of day three weeks, how do you bankrupt ted Turner?
Speaker 1: Damn?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because I love the Four Horsemen. I always wondered why
Speaker 1: the Four Horseman never got to.
Speaker 2: Well, you know why they could? We did.
Speaker 6: Everybody beat us, but we got our heat back on TV.
Speaker 6: Then you go to the arena and you get beat up,
Speaker 6: you get back on TV the next week.
Speaker 2: Because similar they have.
Speaker 6: We don't mind losing the arenas The problem is that
Speaker 6: the people back then with w CWS, people don't they
Speaker 6: want to get their heat on and didn't want to
Speaker 6: lose in the arena either. It's got to be you know,
Speaker 6: in my opinion, it's got to be a balance.
Speaker 3: How bad was you know?
Speaker 1: What's what's the difference though, Like, because I would think
Speaker 1: that more eyeballs would be on television.
Speaker 2: Oh there are, I don't. I mean, that's why I
Speaker 2: don't understand either.
Speaker 1: So they'd have y'all lose in arenas.
Speaker 2: Four horse okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: When you say lose, they just have y'all lose matches
Speaker 1: in the area. Yeah, but then win on television.
Speaker 2: Well get our heat, not necessarily win, but get it back.
Speaker 2: You got you you know.
Speaker 1: So they never had y'all looking like the dominant group,
Speaker 1: Like how d X was dominant, Our nWo was dominant.
Speaker 2: Yeah they were dominant. Ye, but but d X, I'm
Speaker 2: talking more about the I have no problem with the X.
Speaker 2: They were great.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, why didn't Why do you think
Speaker 1: four Horsemen never got to that?
Speaker 6: Oh we never wrote that timeframe? Okay, Yeah, if we've
Speaker 6: been where we're ten years early, gotcha? If we come
Speaker 6: along in the nineties the same four people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been.
Speaker 4: I was always wondering, like, when you talk w w
Speaker 4: F for w W OR or n w A or whatever,
Speaker 4: how do they decide who is going to be that
Speaker 4: quote unquote man.
Speaker 6: Right, you know, they give you the opportunity and you
Speaker 6: got about five minutes do something that the guy goes.
Speaker 3: That people are gonna like, really, yeah, mean you got that?
Speaker 2: You got we call it gorilla.
Speaker 6: Right, there's Vince and Hunter and where were the agents are?
Speaker 6: That's got some Mike, Michael Hayes, guys that have been
Speaker 6: there for a while, and you got they go out
Speaker 6: the door and you got five minutes to show them
Speaker 6: something gonna make him go mm hmm. Or you know, Vince,
Speaker 6: I've seen him a thousand times. You're gonna tell you
Speaker 6: you're the ship. It's gonna shake your hands in that job,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Or I'll talk to you later, Mike, kids,
Speaker 6: I'll dog you later.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that conversation with you, that first conversation
Speaker 4: when they pulled you to the side and say you're
Speaker 4: the guy.
Speaker 6: It wasn't Vince, it was it was uh, yeah, well
Speaker 6: much when I wanted to end NBA Championship for the
Speaker 6: first time.
Speaker 2: Now, I guess i'd be eighty one. But I wasn't
Speaker 2: the guy I thought it was. But I had wrestled
Speaker 2: so many guys that were really good in that one
Speaker 2: area of the mid Atlantic right that when I went
Speaker 2: on the road and started wrestling guys for an hour
Speaker 2: that didn't know anything about wrestling, when I thought I
Speaker 2: knew it all I was. I was lost and I
Speaker 2: didn't draw, So they took it off me, and I
Speaker 2: prepared myself and got myself back and realized that everybody's
Speaker 2: not going to be the best wrestler every night. And
Speaker 2: then the second time I was ready to go. That's
Speaker 2: not really turned it on.
Speaker 1: Where did the figure four a leg lot come from?
Speaker 2: Buddy Rogers?
Speaker 1: Okay, does that work in real life? If you put
Speaker 1: somebody in there?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well yeah, I put the linebacker Penn State,
Speaker 6: still sitting at the bar, sitting on the floor of
Speaker 6: a bar.
Speaker 3: You still do it? You still doing that?
Speaker 2: If I can put it on somebody, you gotta let
Speaker 2: me put it on.
Speaker 3: I would love to see you put on Charlemagne one time.
Speaker 1: What time? Tell me about the guy in the bar
Speaker 1: and Penn state what happened to him?
Speaker 2: Well, he's you know the phony rest of the thing
Speaker 2: said figure for and go of it. So I was
Speaker 2: with trying to think who was on the quarterback.
Speaker 6: Then the kid that played for the Panthers, Cam, Cam's Auburn, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know the guy before him.
Speaker 1: Let me see.
Speaker 2: Carry Collins.
Speaker 6: So we're down on the landing there in Pittsburgh and
Speaker 6: drinking and the Slane Backer with the Kerry Collins. And
Speaker 6: the kid told me, he said, I can get out
Speaker 6: of that, so they can't, so that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I'd been at the Dapper down right
Speaker 2: with I was a Marty Schottenheimer and uh Bill Kauer
Speaker 2: who we're all down there, and so I put it
Speaker 2: on him, said you gotta let me get it in.
Speaker 2: And he was a big kid too. He's still laying there.
Speaker 3: You feel love for for? I wanted to set on
Speaker 3: charl time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta tap out. Yes, I would love to
Speaker 4: see that one time.
Speaker 2: Come on, don't have me back on? Then?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite iteration of the full Horseman?
Speaker 2: Iron Ali, Arnold Tully, myself and Buried Windom.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the original one, right, is that the
Speaker 1: original one?
Speaker 6: Originally but only kids were older at that time, and
Speaker 6: you wanted to work part time, and only was great,
Speaker 6: but the best forward Bury ironed myself and.
Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of younger wrestlers come up
Speaker 4: to you and ask for guidance and mentorship and do
Speaker 4: you do you give it to a lot of the
Speaker 4: younger wrestlers.
Speaker 6: I try to, but I realized it doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 6: because the first thing they're going to is what do
Speaker 6: you think?
Speaker 2: What do you think that all the young wrestler and
Speaker 2: what ever?
Speaker 3: It's not just famous more important than the skill, you know, they.
Speaker 2: Want to go look and see what the fans are saying.
Speaker 2: The fans running, fans run their life, social media runs everything.
Speaker 1: How do you think a younger play would handle social media?
Speaker 2: Well, he'd be in jail.
Speaker 6: We'd be conducting this interview from records, right yea, yeah,
Speaker 6: hello record, he's still records.
Speaker 2: Do you mind joining the Breakfast club? We're not talking
Speaker 2: about your silver coins.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious young work flair.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's I got my gold club at
Speaker 2: the China Club and they threw me out one night.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: I got into a fight. I was talking.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to his.
Speaker 2: Pandam flight attendant. You're the nasty boy, right. So there's
Speaker 2: a guy that sells toys to the w W and
Speaker 2: they took his glasses off and stopped on him, and
Speaker 2: he came over crying to mean, So I go over
Speaker 2: to I go to Brian. I slap Brian as a Brian,
Speaker 2: don't leave the guy alone. Mall it just happen. We're
Speaker 2: just having a good time.
Speaker 6: And and then SAgs jumped on me and they already
Speaker 6: had my.
Speaker 2: Card, me out and kept the nasty boys in there.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1: I am?
Speaker 2: Yeah, three thousand dollars? Wow?
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you wouldn't tell people now? Even
Speaker 1: even now at this age, is there anything you still
Speaker 1: keep to yourself?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, I got a whole closet full thing.
Speaker 2: I have a keeper of the closet. You know. That's
Speaker 2: why I didn't run for governor North Carolina and gino
Speaker 2: ocahma's gonna be the keeper of the classes.
Speaker 1: How is it watching your daughter following your footsteps?
Speaker 6: Oh god, it's amazing that I'll take very seriously. She
Speaker 6: is the greatest thing going.
Speaker 2: Yeah you seen her?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in a different world, different different planet, different
Speaker 2: status for than I was. Did you want her to No,
Speaker 2: I had, I said. Somebody asked her.
Speaker 6: And she was, you know, doing real well in the
Speaker 6: business world and graduating in college. And I saw her
Speaker 6: looking at the guy asked her and he said, why
Speaker 6: aren't you doing this? And had a talent relations at
Speaker 6: the time. I saw her just I know her like
Speaker 6: a book. I saw her walk around her room and
Speaker 6: think of herself. She walk over to me said, do
Speaker 6: you think think about it? I said, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Why. She said, I just want to. I think I
Speaker 2: try it. She is not the greatest of all time?
Speaker 1: Isn't that like the ultimate uh form of Hameda?
Speaker 6: They though, Well, it's not really. It's because of her
Speaker 6: little brother, my son that passed away. She everything. I
Speaker 6: think it's still in the back of her mind. She's
Speaker 6: fulfilling the dream that he lived m which it makes
Speaker 6: it even more special and more personal.
Speaker 1: That's clearly the most important thing to you. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: What do you think sports entertainment is missing right now?
Speaker 6: Oh man? Yeah, came every day. What's sports entertainment missing
Speaker 6: right now? Maybe a sports entertainment period or wrestling wrestling.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's missing anything.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: I think it's tracking on all fours. I mean every
Speaker 6: time you turn around, Tony is opening up another show,
Speaker 6: and I've got They've got three live shows a week now.
Speaker 6: WWE's making more money than never. I still believe that
Speaker 6: wrestling is the greatest form of sports entertainment there is.
Speaker 1: Oh, people will be like, oh, it's not real.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're sold out saying it's not real and
Speaker 6: it's docks at one hundred and twenty dollars or whatever
Speaker 6: it is. I mean it's they can say whatever they
Speaker 6: want to say. People watch it, and it's not just
Speaker 6: the blue collar fans. I mean doctors, lawyers, everybody.
Speaker 1: Loves it absolutely.
Speaker 6: And I do autographs for Ryan as an example, who
Speaker 6: runs the biggest sports memorabilia company in probably the world,
Speaker 6: we'll say the United States for sure, and we sign
Speaker 6: these autographs, and the wrestlers that participate we get as
Speaker 6: much attention as anybody.
Speaker 2: I think ryank about for that. You know, we're not
Speaker 2: We're not all going to be like.
Speaker 6: If Barkley's or came out for something like that or
Speaker 6: with a good friend of mine.
Speaker 2: But but the.
Speaker 6: Guys that do it on a regular basis we get.
Speaker 6: I think Brian would will tell you that the wrestlers
Speaker 6: hold their own with any credible athlete.
Speaker 3: What's the biggest misconception of wrestling?
Speaker 2: That it's fake, not fake, that it's it's I think
Speaker 2: a misc I don't even know if that's a misconception anymore.
Speaker 2: I have to think about that. I don't.
Speaker 6: I think it's a misconception as to how much hard
Speaker 6: work goes into it, especially if you're on top. Now,
Speaker 6: because let's say they're they're if they're working a full schedule,
Speaker 6: they still wrestle, you know, one hundred and fifty five
Speaker 6: times a year. I think that's a full schedule, right,
Speaker 6: But if you're in the top tier, you know what
Speaker 6: you're doing in the three days off you have.
Speaker 2: All you're doing is media media for the next round match.
Speaker 2: There is no time off. Really.
Speaker 6: That's why it's nice to Vince or Vince or whoever
Speaker 6: they're calling the shots. And now I understand the kids
Speaker 6: need to take a month's break here of there.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, how does your body heal
Speaker 4: with so many matches? You're talking one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: five matches.
Speaker 2: I rested at four and twenty five I wrestled over
Speaker 2: four hundred times for eight years. We don't rest, We
Speaker 2: just drink and sleep on the plane and then. So
Speaker 2: that's why I got.
Speaker 6: One of the reasons I got into Cannabi's business that
Speaker 6: I've been eating xanax trying to sleep on his international flights.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm telling him. Somebody asked you about it.
Speaker 2: One week I was.
Speaker 6: I wrestled an hour in Sydney, wrestling an hour in Auckland,
Speaker 6: wrestled an hour.
Speaker 2: In christ Church.
Speaker 6: I flew to Saint Louis, and hour in Saint Louis,
Speaker 6: flew to Atlanta, and an hour in Atlanta, and flew
Speaker 6: to Tokyo, all in the same week. Wow, that's a
Speaker 6: lot of booze, and at least three is annex.
Speaker 1: So you like to smoke the whed I do.
Speaker 2: I can't, but I can't hang with Mike.
Speaker 1: I will ask I would love to see you.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, edibles or what the edibles can get you
Speaker 2: off of that.
Speaker 1: Have you had Mike Tyson edibles? Have you had Mike's edibles?
Speaker 2: Have my own called? Wo choose?
Speaker 3: Really you should bust some of that up too. Yeah
Speaker 3: with these cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bring you guys, someone.
Speaker 1: I like edible, I can't smoke.
Speaker 6: E Like, yeah, well I just had asthma as the
Speaker 6: kids tried to smoke. But I'm not against it. I
Speaker 6: certainly have been around in my all life. But the
Speaker 6: edibles actually can help you get off X or ambient
Speaker 6: and stuff like that if you do it under a
Speaker 6: doctor supervision. I've when just stop taking then that you
Speaker 6: got to get to withdrawal issue. But if you do
Speaker 6: it the right wave, I've cleaned myself of not one
Speaker 6: hundred percent, not going to say I'll never take one
Speaker 6: once in a while, but if I have the intervals
Speaker 6: and I'm not stressed out about something, which I'm very
Speaker 6: ready to get stressed out anymore. But when I was working,
Speaker 6: I did you know there's a lot of pressure and.
Speaker 2: If you're on top, it's your I think in ninety
Speaker 2: I speak for ninety percent of the.
Speaker 6: People that are on top. They still feel responsible for
Speaker 6: drawing the money. They're going to get paid five million
Speaker 6: dollars damn Marina better before yeah, because other people underneath it,
Speaker 6: even though they have guaranteed salaries, will make more.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. They want to exceed their guarantees. That
Speaker 2: that's the goal. Damn.
Speaker 1: That's why the rappers like you, man, the new rappers,
Speaker 1: you do drugs like them? Xanax you got used to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 6: No, no, no cocaine, no pain killer is nothing ever.
Speaker 1: Damn. What's the most you ever made for a match?
Speaker 1: For a salary?
Speaker 2: For you for a full year? The most ever made?
Speaker 2: Eight hundred thousand?
Speaker 1: No, God, damn, that's rock, Rick Flair.
Speaker 2: What I make twice that with with Ryan Fiederman.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: You ain't gotta you ain't got to beat your body up.
Speaker 2: I just got to go out and hang out with
Speaker 2: him while they drinks together. Right.
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's talk about the reason that you're in
Speaker 4: town comic con. Let's talk about these coins in these
Speaker 4: cars that you again, we.
Speaker 2: Can feel the way of them. Yep, solid silver guys.
Speaker 4: So people can buy these these coins. They're five dollars, right,
Speaker 4: since five dollars in the back while they were five.
Speaker 2: The price I actually be announced tomorrow, the price tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We can keep these, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know, talk to we can.
Speaker 1: Keep these Ryan, just for sure? Oh damn can't he
Speaker 1: Damn canny and then took pictures of him to send
Speaker 1: them to people like me too.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 4: Ok, okay words people, so people could purchase the cars
Speaker 4: and you'll sign him at Comic Con.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what I'm doing whatever they want me to.
Speaker 3: So what are they doing over here? Ryan, come here,
Speaker 3: come to the mic.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all come to the mic.
Speaker 3: So we yeah, yeah, explain it any eating one of y'all.
Speaker 7: So The Nature Boy will be releasing our products October fourteenth,
Speaker 7: which is tomorrow ten thirty live on eBay, live at
Speaker 7: Comic Con. So we'll post all the prices and all
Speaker 7: the products that are available, and Rick and I will
Speaker 7: be opening them live for customers. So there's different chase
Speaker 7: elements inside there. So there'll be redeemables for personalized memorabilia
Speaker 7: from Rick. A meet and greet with Rick is also available.
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of cool stuff that will be
Speaker 7: announcing tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3: And these a limit? Are these limited editions?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 7: So I made a thousand of this. Of the silver
Speaker 7: coins and the bigger holders there those, I made a
Speaker 7: thousand of those. There's a thousand of those, and then
Speaker 7: of the gold card there's five hundred.
Speaker 2: Wow, So yeah, okay, it's pure gold.
Speaker 3: So his is different to mine, right, I see he's
Speaker 3: read in his minus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he has to chase.
Speaker 7: So when we when we stop, I'll explain everything to
Speaker 7: you guys, and we'll split it up evenly among.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I love it all right?
Speaker 1: What is there? A website is so celebrity mean dot
Speaker 1: com dot com. The distribution will be handled by Okay.
Speaker 4: So get the comic cont early and hopefully they can
Speaker 4: get some of this stuff and Ricklebatia to meet some people.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 4: Congratulations man, you deserve it. The fact that you got
Speaker 4: your body beat up and they only paid you eight
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars. I love to see you win in there.
Speaker 2: That yeah, yeah, five hundred for the most Before that Before.
Speaker 1: That, Wow, I didn't want to ask you. What do
Speaker 1: you think of like about celebrities getting into wrestling, Like
Speaker 1: when you see the logan Paul and.
Speaker 6: I like the guys that are actually good athletes, and
Speaker 6: I've got no problem with that. I'm not crazy about
Speaker 6: some of the people they bring in, but I mean
Speaker 6: when they're actually can't get in the ring and like
Speaker 6: and bad Bunny.
Speaker 3: He did pretty good, he did, he killed it.
Speaker 6: He did really good. But that Paul kids believe it
Speaker 6: or not. I know that Sean trained, which I was
Speaker 6: gonnaware of that Paul kid is. It's damn good. He's
Speaker 6: athlete and he didn't afraid anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know a big part of wrestling is they start
Speaker 6: telling you to jump off that turnbule and going through
Speaker 6: the table. I mean that the table doesn't always break
Speaker 6: the way you wanted to. And nothing guaranteed about those tables.
Speaker 6: You know, they're not gimmicked or anything. They have taking
Speaker 6: their screws out.
Speaker 2: If you got to him right dead center in the middle,
Speaker 2: they won't break it right away. Wow.
Speaker 1: Oh, so those tables weren't staged, they weren't Like.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. That's a big misconception.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many people y'all got hurt that
Speaker 4: went home and tried that on one of them tables?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Sure with the steel chairs, Yeah, steel chair that they
Speaker 6: don't know, more head shots because of all the concussion issues,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean guys like min folding. I mean,
Speaker 6: the stuff Mick did is still if you look at
Speaker 6: the stuff going off the top of the cage. And
Speaker 6: then that time I was just talking to take her
Speaker 6: about it the other day when they were on top
Speaker 6: of the cage.
Speaker 2: And take to their guy.
Speaker 6: Make I can feel that the wires breaking the top right,
Speaker 6: Mike said, I'm ready. Man, he fell through land in
Speaker 6: the back of his neck, teeth went through his right
Speaker 6: to his nose. Oh my god, I mean Micke has
Speaker 6: beat his brains out.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: More more, I mean thumb tack matches. I only had
Speaker 6: a couple of those, and it doesn't hurt while you're
Speaker 6: out there, But man, when you go back there in
Speaker 6: the pullo thumba the barber wires stuff that the barbed
Speaker 6: wire is really rough barb wire.
Speaker 2: Baseball that there's nothing good about that.
Speaker 1: Jesus all the time, I thought all that stuff was
Speaker 1: prop props too. I'm like, there's no way that's real.
Speaker 1: Thumb tacks. They gotta be plastic, no way.
Speaker 2: But when you hit a guy with a barboar, but
Speaker 2: you're gonna hit him one time. And once again, it
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt when you're out there because the adrenaline was slowing.
Speaker 2: Right when you go back and you've had barbare you.
Speaker 1: Had to be on boarding adrenaline. You had to be
Speaker 1: on something. There's no way you want to know.
Speaker 6: I mean, they didn't stick it. The barber isn't sticking you.
Speaker 6: But yeah, when you when your adrenaline is running, you'd
Speaker 6: be surprised.
Speaker 4: How many medics were backstage medics.
Speaker 2: Oh they have, they have two full time doctors.
Speaker 1: Just too had to be some cocaine involvement.
Speaker 6: Okay, it had to be for me. Never really tell you.
Speaker 6: You don't teach the kids for cocaine anymore back in
Speaker 6: the eighties. Yeah, it's very prevalent. But I don't. I
Speaker 6: never hear of any cocaine news in our business. I'm
Speaker 6: not saying they don't, but it's certainly not done on
Speaker 6: the premises.
Speaker 2: The wellness policy.
Speaker 6: The w W has, it's stricter than actually it's probably
Speaker 6: stricter than the NFL.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure.
Speaker 6: Tony has the same thing at the AW They can't
Speaker 6: afford someone, you.
Speaker 3: Know, overdosing. Yeah, absolutely, wow. Well, Rick Flair, we appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Make sure you head out the comic con, get what
Speaker 4: you got to get, get these mint cards.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to get a Rick Flair movie.
Speaker 6: Man, I know, guess what's coming down based on your
Speaker 6: book to be a Man? No, no, no, I can't
Speaker 6: tell you anymore. And I just got the word. The
Speaker 6: writer's trike is over.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, we get in this. We don't get a rick.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: This guy right, I can't say I can't say no more. Wow.
Speaker 2: I can't say anymore.
Speaker 3: All Right, it's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: It's Rick Fly.
Speaker 3: I want to come back anytime, anytime.
Speaker 2: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club