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Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Dan hans Us. Here are heroes, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: Week seven.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've been doing this for a long time,
Speaker 2: so there are times where we could be cynical old
Speaker 2: bastards and complain about the games and the week that was.
Speaker 1: Never this is not one of those weeks. Fun.
Speaker 2: This was a fun, fun week of football and just
Speaker 2: goes to show you when you looked at the slate
Speaker 2: heading into Sunday, it was a little meh, and yet
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of quirkers on Sunday, a lot
Speaker 2: of games going down to the wire, gregy and ahead
Speaker 2: of a hopefully when we close the show out another
Speaker 2: scorcher between the Dolphins and Eagles.
Speaker 1: And I probably just jinxed that, but so far, so great.
Speaker 3: Never a jinx. It was alive in the newsroom today.
Speaker 1: It was a lot.
Speaker 3: I've in the Chris Westling podcast studio before we tape
Speaker 3: with some hot button media talk that we'll have to
Speaker 3: save for the off season Media Legacy pod.
Speaker 4: We definitely trend in our pre show conversations to things
Speaker 4: that couldn't be put out there in the public space,
Speaker 4: which is fine. I don't agree with Jason Sumwaltz's concept
Speaker 4: that we graded fifty five percent from PFF.
Speaker 5: That's basically like the most of the New York Giants
Speaker 5: defensive line.
Speaker 1: That's not good. That's troubling. That's a tough one. Are
Speaker 1: we that leaky? That's a bad number.
Speaker 2: But the thing is we have what about eleven weeks
Speaker 2: to figure it out or whatever?
Speaker 1: All right, so how do we want to do this today?
Speaker 1: I think what we should do is.
Speaker 2: Even though the benchmark or kind of the hallmarker this
Speaker 2: week is all these great games that went down to
Speaker 2: the wire, let's start with one that was not close,
Speaker 2: one that was decided by the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 2: Because what it potentially means in our league to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Want second in goal halftime, slings it back of the en.
Speaker 6: Zo, touchdown Ravens mark Andrews and the back of the
Speaker 6: Enzo and the Ravens are back on the scoreboard.
Speaker 7: His old reliable throws it out there form and lets
Speaker 7: him go get it one of the most surehanded tight
Speaker 7: ends that I ever seen, and look like it's a party,
Speaker 7: and Detroit wasn't invited.
Speaker 2: It was one of the most surprising blowouts of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season. The Ravens scored four touchdowns before
Speaker 2: the Lions even had a first down.
Speaker 1: It was a stunning stomping.
Speaker 2: By the home team over a fellow division leader, thirty
Speaker 2: eight to six in favor of the Ravens at M
Speaker 2: and T Banks Stadium. Lamar Jackson threw for three point
Speaker 2: fifty seven to three touchdowns ran for another nearly perfect
Speaker 2: passer rating Greggy. The Ravens, you know they're one of
Speaker 2: your eight or so favorite teams, and so you must
Speaker 2: be over the moon right now unless it clashes with
Speaker 2: the Lions, which I also believe is in your top eight.
Speaker 2: If this was a MySpace situation, will take us through
Speaker 2: where that after.
Speaker 3: Watching, I told you guys this game was coming, that
Speaker 3: this Ravens team was a Super Bowl contender all week,
Speaker 3: that they've got the bones of a team that can
Speaker 3: be great. Not saying they've sown it all. You did
Speaker 3: say that, but the underlying elements were all there today.
Speaker 3: This was a crazy game for them to have sixteen
Speaker 3: first downs before the Lions had any, but have three
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five yards to when the Lions had
Speaker 3: thirteen At that point, I think the Lions had only
Speaker 3: run like thirteen plays or something, So you can't repeat
Speaker 3: this sort of performance. But seeing Lamar Jackson back there
Speaker 3: with a ton of time, his offensive line winning big
Speaker 3: time against this Detroit defensive line, and then when they
Speaker 3: did get some pressure on him, him making magic like
Speaker 3: he does was really outstanding to see. Because Odell Beckham
Speaker 3: was getting open. I know he only ended up with
Speaker 3: five or forty nine, he looked like he had a
Speaker 3: little more juice. John Harbust said to the broadcasters during
Speaker 3: the week that he looked more like himself.
Speaker 1: Thought that was good.
Speaker 3: Like Zay Flowers opened down the field, Andrews looked as
Speaker 3: healthy and with as much juice as he's had all season.
Speaker 3: And you just see an offense that to me has
Speaker 3: a really high ceiling, paired with, oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: a defense who's been really injured and yet ranks in
Speaker 3: the top four in basically every DVOA category. And it
Speaker 3: all came together today. I think it's easy to forget
Speaker 3: that this is a new offense.
Speaker 4: That it's like it's a completely different approach under Todd
Speaker 4: Monkin and that you wanted to arrive right away, and
Speaker 4: they've been They've been a frustrating watch on that side
Speaker 4: of the ball, but like today, they hadn't crossed two
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty seven yards passing all year, and it
Speaker 4: looked like it today an explosion. I think it's super
Speaker 4: encouraging because it came against a super quality team that's
Speaker 4: really well coached on both sides of the ball. And
Speaker 4: I would also give credit to Mike McDonald, who you
Speaker 4: mentioned on Thursday show that you know, Harball went out
Speaker 4: and got him as his defensive coordinator at post wing
Speaker 4: Martin and a lot.
Speaker 5: Of this was what they did to Detroit's offense too.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't know if there's any defense in the
Speaker 3: league that is better at disguising their looks before the
Speaker 3: snap and then getting free rushers to quarterbacks and then
Speaker 3: be there confused, you know, and holding the ball or
Speaker 3: them just not knowing which guy is gonna come free.
Speaker 3: Because it's not like other than Clowny, anyone on the
Speaker 3: front has really been playing that well this year, like
Speaker 3: in their one on one matchups, but they really cause
Speaker 3: havoc and that's a recipe for Jared Goff to struggle,
Speaker 3: and I don't think he had like a disastrous game.
Speaker 3: It was just twenty eight nothing, you know, once four
Speaker 3: drives were over and they called enough, really good defensive
Speaker 3: place to scramble, a good offensive coordinator and a good
Speaker 3: coach in Goff and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the what.
Speaker 2: You were saying kind of heading into this week, that
Speaker 2: you saw them as a absolute Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: The reason I pushed back against.
Speaker 2: It is because this doesn't totally stun me in the
Speaker 2: sense that you know, when everything clicking with this team
Speaker 2: that they can be special. But they've also blown two
Speaker 2: games horrendously. We were at London last week. They're just
Speaker 2: kind of like, yes, just kind of finding a way
Speaker 2: get to get by a bad Titans team that lost
Speaker 2: their quarterback. So there's this like weird DNA in this
Speaker 2: team that makes me struggle with trusting them. But this
Speaker 2: isn't the week to talk about that, because when you
Speaker 2: welcome in a Lions team that was playing as well
Speaker 2: as any team in football and absolutely pants them, you
Speaker 2: have to be feeling very good about yourselves. Now, Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell's the head coach of the Lions, it's always good
Speaker 2: to hear from Dan, especially after some type of seismic
Speaker 2: happening around his team.
Speaker 1: This is a negative one. Let's see what the coach
Speaker 1: had to say.
Speaker 8: So those guys, they played well, they kicked their ass
Speaker 8: and it's a credit to them. Lamar beat us. He
Speaker 8: hammered us with his arm. You know, he threw the
Speaker 8: ball extremely well, he ran when he needed to, and
Speaker 8: we did not handle it well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Lamar here's a stat over seven two percent
Speaker 2: completion percentage in every start but won this year, which
Speaker 2: is again Greg kind of points to. He's been as
Speaker 2: good as we've seen him, probably since his MVP season,
Speaker 2: and yet the offense has been enigmatic at times.
Speaker 1: And he's been part of that with some turnover and he's.
Speaker 2: Had moments that have helped seal losses and things of
Speaker 2: that nature. But he's playing at a high level and
Speaker 2: they if they can get on a run here, look out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you look at what they do on offense,
Speaker 3: and they get guys open for Todd Munkin. Yet the
Speaker 3: running game was effective enough, you know, Gus Edwards is
Speaker 3: fourteen for sixty four.
Speaker 1: Justice Hill had had a couple.
Speaker 3: Of nice runs in there, and Lamar scrambles, and you
Speaker 3: just think you can win games in different types of
Speaker 3: ways because Rokwan Smith I just keep hammering every game.
Speaker 1: He's a force multiplier.
Speaker 3: That was ended up being such a great trade because
Speaker 3: he makes everyone around him better. He broke up a
Speaker 3: couple passes in the red zone that were key today.
Speaker 3: He just is flying all over the field and you
Speaker 3: can tell he makes his teammates better. I'm not worried
Speaker 3: about the lines, partly because of the schedule. They play
Speaker 3: one team with a winning record the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: It's the Cowboys in Week seven.
Speaker 2: But will worry you in the sense that yes, and
Speaker 2: they beat their previous four opponents by at least fourteen
Speaker 2: points each, so they they were kicking ass themselves. But
Speaker 2: it then it doesn't plant that seed of doubt when
Speaker 2: they get to January football, which I believe that they will.
Speaker 2: I mean, are they going to be maybe a paper
Speaker 2: division champion when you see something like this. I'm not
Speaker 2: going that far. I'm just saying, yeah, I don't see them.
Speaker 2: As you go your you got stomped here they did.
Speaker 4: And also they're a team on a journey like the
Speaker 4: Ravens have been in these battles in these wars and
Speaker 4: have been dealing with, you know, playoff type seasons for
Speaker 4: years on end.
Speaker 5: Detroit's in a new place, They're coaches in a new place.
Speaker 4: They are all of them, and I like, I know
Speaker 4: we I don't want to just hand out Mulligan's left
Speaker 4: and right, but I'm willing just to let the Lions
Speaker 4: sit with this and see where they go because the
Speaker 4: larger sample size of what they've been all season are
Speaker 4: things that you can rely on. There are both of
Speaker 4: their lines, Like I just I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: Detroit will learn from this versus going to a dark skid.
Speaker 3: I have a question about their defensive line though. They've
Speaker 3: beaten up on some bad offensive lines this year and
Speaker 3: they got crushed today. And some Lions fans are a
Speaker 3: little on this too. So it's like no pass rush
Speaker 3: plus a lot of injuries at cornerback. They had a
Speaker 3: couple injuries going into this game.
Speaker 1: At cornerback.
Speaker 3: They had another one during the game, so that was
Speaker 3: part of it. No pass rush plus bad cornerbacks, you
Speaker 3: get fried.
Speaker 1: All right. That's how we start with a bud weapon.
Speaker 1: Now let's move.
Speaker 9: Before we move on, Dan, you tell me to get
Speaker 9: in your ear and your mind. You about a tweet
Speaker 9: you wanted to fly oh from the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah an X, then thank you, Eric Roberts, fly
Speaker 2: up the tweet. Mark yes, Bud? Oh, jeez, Bud. What
Speaker 2: we got to get out of this thing where.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you went a second?
Speaker 2: How you got like farmed into this for NFL dot com.
Speaker 2: You're doing these picks every week and here it is
Speaker 2: the tweet from the Ravens. You're sure about that week
Speaker 2: seven expert picks and you are one of six, fifth,
Speaker 2: twelve what is it, twelve NFL media employees that all
Speaker 2: picked the lines to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't like you. I've mind. I got pulled
Speaker 4: into what I already had promised to you guys. That
Speaker 4: my new strategy with these picks. So what happened, Well,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well wait a second, I call it. I'm throwing the
Speaker 3: flag on the Ravens. This is a new level of
Speaker 3: chicanery from the social media department. They went and just
Speaker 3: looked around at various organizations of who got it right
Speaker 3: and who got it wrong. So, for instance, they find
Speaker 3: five NFL network people that got it wrong.
Speaker 1: But that means five got it right.
Speaker 3: It was like a pick them game because I was
Speaker 3: like half the people picked the Ravens for sure. They
Speaker 3: were favored in this game, and so they just picked
Speaker 3: and choose different people from different places and put it
Speaker 3: all up there. Yes see, I actually did pick throw
Speaker 3: the flag.
Speaker 4: But again it's but to your point, Yeah, this exercise,
Speaker 4: to your point, I only hear about my uh, you know,
Speaker 4: my toils in this when I am felt.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like, we got Jeremiah and shook on there, but then
Speaker 3: we also have Connor or Albert breer Brinson.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Greg doesn't like media houses being doesn't.
Speaker 1: Greg also wants to him to.
Speaker 2: There's the Ravens logan next to Greg, and then the
Speaker 2: brand is built a little strong.
Speaker 4: Greg called him a spall team that I did.
Speaker 1: I did pick them to win one of the few
Speaker 1: games I got right to.
Speaker 3: But you could literally do that with any game, any
Speaker 3: win all season.
Speaker 1: You can find someone that pick.
Speaker 2: Park and I offer a long time come help me out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was approached by the same individual for this assignment,
Speaker 2: which was optional.
Speaker 1: And you know what I said. I just say yes
Speaker 1: to things. I said pass.
Speaker 5: I just say yes to things. Oh can you come
Speaker 5: help me move?
Speaker 4: Like sure, throw out my whole f and Saturday just
Speaker 4: to go help someone move a bunch of furniture up
Speaker 4: and down a staircase when now not recent help me move?
Speaker 1: I know, but you are like not the person I
Speaker 1: would expect has been doing a lot of that.
Speaker 4: I didn't help do that recently for anyone. But I'm
Speaker 4: just saying that's the kind of thing I might be
Speaker 4: like cajoled.
Speaker 2: And you can't picture the sess dog taking a piano
Speaker 2: up five flights.
Speaker 3: I would potentially ask Mark just to hear the excuse
Speaker 3: he came up with to not do it.
Speaker 1: It would be created. It would I'd come up with
Speaker 1: some excuse. It would be very much a lie as well.
Speaker 2: But wait again, it's okay, okay, well yeah you could
Speaker 2: do this as well. You have to just tell him
Speaker 2: you can't do it. Tell him something came up with
Speaker 2: your daughter. My daughter, you're twenty four year olds. I'm
Speaker 2: very busy.
Speaker 4: Who is She needs a lot of help all the
Speaker 4: time connecting with her father. It's time to reconnect through
Speaker 4: all these years. And I said yes to the nifel.
Speaker 4: It's time to say yes to someone else.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's that easy, right, Eric, thank you. Let's get Let's
Speaker 2: get you know who on the line. All right, let's
Speaker 2: head to we got we got Mark Nyson lubed up now,
Speaker 2: so let's head talks and Browns football.
Speaker 10: Whatson and Harris Browns from the one. This is the
Speaker 10: game out of the eye. They need the touchdown hunt
Speaker 10: and Harris Walker gives the Kareem Hunt pushing, pushing touchdown.
Speaker 1: Durream hot got it across the goal line.
Speaker 11: He didn't wait for the official card. Are the cardiac
Speaker 11: kids back? Kareem getting it over the goal line? The
Speaker 11: huge touchdown on fourth down. You knew you could run
Speaker 11: it at that point. It didn't matter.
Speaker 1: That was the last play.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, bongo time.
Speaker 1: Wait two weeks in a row. Well, Jets got it
Speaker 1: last week as they did know, was it Cleveland? Cleveland
Speaker 1: got the bongos last.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Jet's got It's on in New York City right.
Speaker 1: Well it's I mean, this was a bongo worthy game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that.
Speaker 2: Was bongo worthy. Call from Andrews Ciciliano, our friend and
Speaker 2: colleague for w k r K. Andrew filling in for
Speaker 2: the great Andrew filling in for the great Jim Donovan.
Speaker 1: He pointed at Mark though.
Speaker 4: Andrew liarly sorry, Yes, are you know the wonderful Jim Donovan?
Speaker 1: Yes, cram Hunt just.
Speaker 2: Broke the fame of the goal line where the bongos
Speaker 2: keep it going?
Speaker 1: What'll we doing? We're shutting down the bongos.
Speaker 2: The band went away. If you're gonna play the bongos,
Speaker 2: you keep it playing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, song's not that long. We had a pause there
Speaker 9: for a second.
Speaker 3: We did have like a twenty five second Jim Donovan pause.
Speaker 1: Though that was not my fault. Spreem Hunt just broke
Speaker 1: the plane of the.
Speaker 2: Goal line in the final seconds in Indianapolis, the deciding
Speaker 2: score and one of the wildest back and forth affairs
Speaker 2: of the year. The Browns force the gardner means chew
Speaker 2: fumble on the ensuing drive, clinching a thirty nine thirty
Speaker 2: eight win over the Colts. Mark Uh, We'll get into
Speaker 2: the latest and the enduring Deshaun Watson injury sagin a bit,
Speaker 2: but let's start with the game.
Speaker 1: How did your Cleveland brown to pull this one off?
Speaker 4: If you look at the last two weeks, and maybe
Speaker 4: Andrew Siciliano is something of a lucky charm.
Speaker 1: Does he sound younger when he's making these calls. I
Speaker 1: think he feels young. I think he's Benjamin buttoning something.
Speaker 6: You love.
Speaker 5: They in the years off him, like, cause these are
Speaker 5: two games.
Speaker 2: Imagine the twenty four year olds of Siliano Yum spicy.
Speaker 1: That's what they say. That's what they've said.
Speaker 4: But like two weeks in a row, these are games
Speaker 4: that other versions of the Cleveland Browns, and they're a
Speaker 4: weird team, Like would have lost, just flat out lost.
Speaker 4: They would have found a way to lose last week
Speaker 4: to the Niners, and this there were so many opportunities
Speaker 4: for them to lose. And there's a lot of particulars
Speaker 4: to this game and how it went. And you've got,
Speaker 4: you know, three weeks in a row where Deshaun Watson
Speaker 4: is not readily available and winning was in there today
Speaker 4: for a little bit, very unattractive as a player, and
Speaker 4: like did not do a good job. But this was
Speaker 4: the game that I've waited for. Miles Garrett like has
Speaker 4: these moments of greatness and we see them. But it's
Speaker 4: like the one thing that I find a little different
Speaker 4: between him and if you go to Pittsburgh in certain
Speaker 4: times in Baltimore, but especially in Pittsburgh like TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt, where TJ.
Speaker 4: Watts sort of specialty, his magic power is like, oh,
Speaker 4: the offense isn't producing or are they're ups and downs
Speaker 4: like TJ Watts, Like it's the late in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do something as a defensive player to completely
Speaker 4: change this game and add to what you think about TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt.
Speaker 4: And I always felt like Miles Garrett he has those moments,
Speaker 4: but they come in losses or they come in games
Speaker 4: where it's like his compiling stats where it's like it's
Speaker 4: not his fault, but he's not in a game changing moment.
Speaker 4: Today though, the first half of Miles Garrett, it was
Speaker 4: the greatest half I've ever seen him play in my life.
Speaker 4: Two incredibly important sacks, two force fumbles, and a play
Speaker 4: if you've not seen this because this typically gets flagged
Speaker 4: because players aren't able to do this physically. Miles Garrett
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you one time when they were playing
Speaker 4: the Charges in a number of years ago, I went
Speaker 4: downtown to downtown LA to meet with a young guy
Speaker 4: who was a Browns writer and I walked in the
Speaker 4: hotel and Miles Garrett walked by me, and it's like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this is literally a completely different type of human being
Speaker 4: than wherever I came from. I mean, he just looks
Speaker 4: like a completely different specimen and he's able to do
Speaker 4: things with his body.
Speaker 1: And today was one of the best examples I've seen
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 4: In a key moment where the Cults were lining up
Speaker 4: for a field goal that kept hanging around with the Browns,
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett just literally leaps over the offensive lineman, multiple
Speaker 4: offensive lineman and doesn't touch them so there's no penalty,
Speaker 4: and then just seamlessly waltz is in and blocks the pick.
Speaker 1: It reminded me.
Speaker 2: I tweeted about this, that xed about this, that Lawrence
Speaker 2: Taylor in the original Techmobile.
Speaker 1: Yes, he could do that too.
Speaker 2: You can always do a non tale extra pointer or
Speaker 2: a field goal against the Giants Techmo Bowl, because he
Speaker 2: had this other worldly ability to get to the kicker.
Speaker 2: Only Miles Garrett's a real person and he's doing this
Speaker 2: And as Greg you would say, and it's one of
Speaker 2: your favorite terms, and you've already used it once a
Speaker 2: forced multiplier.
Speaker 1: Wow, I do need to get away from that.
Speaker 3: But a couple of sacks on the game too, like
Speaker 3: like a pass defense, like he is everywhere, and he's
Speaker 3: everywhere on a day, and you could explain it to
Speaker 3: me where their defense, you know, has a lot of
Speaker 3: regrets that they give up four hundred and fifty six
Speaker 3: yards to the Minshew Colts. Now part of that is
Speaker 3: sixteen drives, but it was six point eight yards per play.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Mark?
Speaker 4: I thought so, yes, it's the right time for that,
Speaker 4: because the Minschhew of last week with the fumble, the
Speaker 4: lost fumble and three interceptions where you're like, maybe the
Speaker 4: Minshew thing doesn't last for more than a couple weeks,
Speaker 4: totally effective on the ground today, I thought he played
Speaker 4: one of the better Minshew games I've seen. Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 4: who we were waiting to show up, had a couple
Speaker 4: big moments today where you're like, wait a minute, the
Speaker 4: idea that Jonathan Taylor might not come back and be
Speaker 4: the same guy incorrect.
Speaker 1: He looks that way.
Speaker 4: And I think there were defensive breakdowns today for Cleveland, which.
Speaker 3: Is that's the way you beat the Shorts defense is
Speaker 3: you throw some bomps because they're going to be aggressive.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Deshaun Watson here, because it's fair to
Speaker 2: wonder you know how the injury is being handled, what
Speaker 2: the truth is behind the injury, and it got even
Speaker 2: murkier this week, so he was it looked like he
Speaker 2: was trending toward not playing this week. Then late in
Speaker 2: the week he practiced and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he's on the field in this game, but not for long.
Speaker 1: He's struggling.
Speaker 2: He goes into the blue ten to be checked for
Speaker 2: a concussion, ruled not to have suffered a concussion by
Speaker 2: the independent neurologist, but then does not come back in
Speaker 2: the game and PJ Walker finishes it. Here is what
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson had to say after his head coach Kevin
Speaker 2: Stefanski said they kept him out to protect himself.
Speaker 12: No, it was just a medical decision with the staff
Speaker 12: and everyone. That's that's you know, part of making a decision,
Speaker 12: and they felt like the decision was best to you know,
Speaker 12: let PJ go in and finish the game to make
Speaker 12: sure the team, you know, benefits the team.
Speaker 3: It's weird because the question was like, what was the decision.
Speaker 3: Did you think you could make your shoulder worse? And
Speaker 3: Stefanski had said, look, I made the decision. Watson says,
Speaker 3: it's a medical decision. It just and Stefanski also said
Speaker 3: Watson will play next week.
Speaker 1: So did he hurt his shoulder today? So I'm confused.
Speaker 3: So he didn't answer it. That's why that was the
Speaker 3: answer to that question. And yeah, the Browns never completely
Speaker 3: clarify that.
Speaker 4: But on the play where he went out like he does,
Speaker 4: hit his helmet, the back of his helmet hard, hard
Speaker 4: on the ground, and so I could see where a
Speaker 4: concussion concern would come up. He also though, was like,
Speaker 4: but they said he passed the protocol, so he passed that.
Speaker 4: But his arm, his throwing arm was sort of hanging
Speaker 4: the way that we saw Anthony Richardson like we can
Speaker 4: the same play.
Speaker 5: It was just hanging. I thought, maybe he's just I
Speaker 5: think he aggrevates.
Speaker 4: The Browns are conservative with their injuries, maybe more than
Speaker 4: some teams would be. I would say the other thing
Speaker 4: would be a bigger concern is like he threw a
Speaker 4: terrible interception and nearly through a second that simply was
Speaker 4: an interception, just with it right, But he was hurt.
Speaker 4: So I think I think I think the thing is
Speaker 4: like he's not healthy and he should play. He said
Speaker 4: this week that he may not be healthy this entire
Speaker 4: season because of the shoulder things.
Speaker 5: So I don't they're a little bit lost a quarterback.
Speaker 1: On the field today. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They certainly aren't handling this very well. I would. I
Speaker 1: think that's safe to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point, it's very strange because I feel
Speaker 3: like the Browns are having one season and this is
Speaker 3: a season of crazy wins.
Speaker 1: In the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: It's a season of huge defense, and now it's a
Speaker 3: season of like, wow, PJ. Walker not exactly playing well
Speaker 3: of but finding a way to get a win. And
Speaker 3: then Deshaun Watson is off to the side and he's
Speaker 3: sort of having this other season yea, and they're like
Speaker 3: not the same, you're right seasons. And I want you to,
Speaker 3: you know, speak someone like the other Browns because you
Speaker 3: are enjoying this game. I haven't seen you as excited
Speaker 3: in the newsroom watching a Browns game in a while.
Speaker 3: And they are. They're a legit team. I just don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they're going, but they are legit.
Speaker 1: They're there there.
Speaker 4: I will say this because I think Stefanski has sort
Speaker 4: of been like a hot seat contender. I think he's
Speaker 4: done a good job coaching this team up through a
Speaker 4: quarterback abyss, someone like Jerome Ford who came in today
Speaker 4: and sixty nine yard touchdown gallop on the opening drive.
Speaker 1: You don't not Nick Chubb.
Speaker 4: You don't if you're starting quarterback or Nick Chubb, and
Speaker 4: you're getting these performances from other people around them, so
Speaker 4: they're enjoyable for that element of resiliency. And I think Stefanski,
Speaker 4: who did not do a good job coaching this team
Speaker 4: a year ago, I think he did actually with Jacoby Brissett,
Speaker 4: but in general, like your coach of the year from
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, didn't look like it.
Speaker 3: But the basically an effort. Deshaun Watson's not playing, I think.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing to me what it feels like.
Speaker 2: It's not dissimilar to how I feel about watching my
Speaker 2: own team right now, where they're a fun watch because
Speaker 2: they're a little plucky, especially with PJ. Walker playing. But
Speaker 2: if you take out Nick Chubb and if Deshaun Watson's
Speaker 2: gonna be an injury riddled mess, like there's a ceiling
Speaker 2: on the on the season. Oh there's a skull here,
Speaker 2: of course, is to win the Super Bowl, So like
Speaker 2: this is as fun as these games are, like the
Speaker 2: need if there's a path to Watson getting healthy, they
Speaker 2: need to get on that right path because that's what
Speaker 2: can make them truly dangerous in the AFC, because.
Speaker 1: The Walker thing is that there's an expiration date there
Speaker 1: that's gonna limit you. But how about that mark? Four
Speaker 1: and too? Though so wild games back to now, maybe they've.
Speaker 3: Bought themselves sometimes if they do need to sit Watson,
Speaker 3: they found a way to win enough games that maybe
Speaker 3: they're they're in the mix when he comes back.
Speaker 2: They already had their buy was they were resting the
Speaker 2: shoulder then. So they can't seem to make progress in
Speaker 2: up front. But in terms of winning football, what are they?
Speaker 1: Four and two? Now? Four and two? How about that mark?
Speaker 1: How about that? I approve the Bills.
Speaker 2: Bills fans like Eric Roberts do not approve of the
Speaker 2: arc of the season so far. Tremendously frustrating, and that
Speaker 2: continued at Foxborough today.
Speaker 13: A second of goal to go from the left catchwe
Speaker 13: Andrew's over the football to snap it back Jones.
Speaker 1: Cassick looks to us.
Speaker 14: Right, crossing to the right, got it he touchdown.
Speaker 1: He's going to Patriots.
Speaker 15: There he is Mike Kasicki off the side of him,
Speaker 15: Milk Carton catching the day winner.
Speaker 1: But a little look kid from Jokes.
Speaker 15: To the right slot and it is the drive that
Speaker 15: back Jolks has stated.
Speaker 2: I mean wackling Micah Sicki is like Tony Gonzalez in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven?
Speaker 6: Where is?
Speaker 1: Where is? Where is Mike Kisicki bin.
Speaker 2: Bob Sochi in the Sension power bottle with the call
Speaker 2: for WBZ.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones give him that extension.
Speaker 2: Greggy through a one yard like that to Mike Aseki
Speaker 2: with twelve seconds to play, and the Patriots steal went
Speaker 2: away from the Bills. Twenty nine, twenty five mark a
Speaker 2: weird one for me personally tracking from Afar because I'm
Speaker 2: just kind of following this game on the scroll.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Indie game was the same thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are multiple points where it appeared the game
Speaker 2: was decided in favor of each of the teams.
Speaker 1: How did the underdog Pats come out ahead?
Speaker 4: I think this was sort of the team that if
Speaker 4: you were Bill Belichick and his like small cadre of
Speaker 4: assistant coaches, this is the team that you thought you would.
Speaker 1: Get his family members basically essentially his.
Speaker 4: Sons and you know, like friends that keep secrets for
Speaker 4: nephew seven.
Speaker 5: They like it doesn't look like it because if you look.
Speaker 4: At like, for instance, like Ramandri Stevenson's line box score,
Speaker 4: like doesn't look impressive.
Speaker 5: But I thought he ran the ball as well as
Speaker 5: he has all season.
Speaker 4: And Mac Jones played a better game than he's played
Speaker 4: all season, and like they got little contributions on offense,
Speaker 4: and their defense looked tighter. And you're getting a Bills
Speaker 4: team that I don't know if it's their DNA because
Speaker 4: things change, but this is weeks in a row where
Speaker 4: they come out flat. They looked completely at a sink
Speaker 4: early on. They have scored what is going on here
Speaker 4: with one of these numbers. They've been outscored like an
Speaker 4: insane amount in the first half, like, and they just
Speaker 4: to come out as a flat team.
Speaker 2: They really had no business winning last week now against
Speaker 2: the Giants in their building on Sunday Night football. The
Speaker 2: week before it didn't go well, Greg, And now you
Speaker 2: can't find a way to close out the Patriots. And
Speaker 2: you know, I as soon as you saw Matt Mulano
Speaker 2: go out. I wondered what was going to happen with
Speaker 2: their defense, And again I didn't see the game, but
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like, is that one of those Janga
Speaker 2: pieces where they're going to struggle to get big stops
Speaker 2: all season without kind of heart and soul there, d.
Speaker 3: Well, you let Mac carve you up twenty five for
Speaker 3: thirty two hundred and seventy two yards in the second
Speaker 3: half of that game. The only stop they get was
Speaker 3: on a forced fumble, and otherwise the Patriots had a
Speaker 3: field goal, touchdown and a touchdown, and the Patriots are
Speaker 3: up or behind and up in this game rather twenty
Speaker 3: two to ten. They just went on a touchdown drive
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. They played a very clean game,
Speaker 3: market am I right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Then then the Bills get a two minute, five play,
Speaker 3: seventy five yard drive, then they force a fumble and
Speaker 3: then Josh Allen ends up running it in, and you think, like,
Speaker 3: there is no way at that point that the Bills
Speaker 3: defense lets the Patriots get to overtime, even much less
Speaker 3: lose the game. So that's very surprising to me, Like,
Speaker 3: what did you see out of the Bill's defense here?
Speaker 4: They allowed a team that's looked completely dead on arrival
Speaker 4: on offense to make plays, and they got ran on
Speaker 4: in key situations. Mac Jones played I thought, the best
Speaker 4: game he's played all season, and it's just like, I
Speaker 4: don't know where the Patriots team was, but this is
Speaker 4: a Bills team that did not live up to the
Speaker 4: moment today. I mean, this is the against the Jaguars,
Speaker 4: against the Giants in today. Three weeks in a row,
Speaker 4: they've come out flat, and I guess just like in
Speaker 4: the scope of these seasons, it leaves me I already
Speaker 4: think we had some suspicions about the Bill's floor when
Speaker 4: they don't kind of operate the way that they should.
Speaker 5: And it's just an example of like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: is this team.
Speaker 4: Gonna go win multiple games on the road in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like it to me. And I think
Speaker 4: Josh Allen today was one of the reasons they didn't
Speaker 4: perform well. It's like it's not always in spite of
Speaker 4: everyone else. It's like Josh Allen sinks them at times.
Speaker 4: I feel like it just was not a great game.
Speaker 4: He didn't ever slipt that today.
Speaker 3: Very surprising against this team though, right they've owned the
Speaker 3: Patriots in this McDermott Belichick rivalry.
Speaker 1: Here's some stats.
Speaker 2: So the Pats average four yards of carry, which doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like a big deal because everybody should do that,
Speaker 2: But they had been averaging less than three and a
Speaker 2: half a game going into this game.
Speaker 1: So they ran the ball like you were saying.
Speaker 2: Mac Jones was pressured on just twenty percent of his
Speaker 2: dry ESPN, so he was able to sit back and
Speaker 2: find open receivers.
Speaker 1: Against a bad pitch right line. So they weren't.
Speaker 2: They weren't doing the job on defense and on offense.
Speaker 2: The slow starts and Eric, we talked a little bit
Speaker 2: before the show that they only seemed to be able
Speaker 2: to get things going when they fall behind. Over the
Speaker 2: past three games, this team has averaged less than six
Speaker 2: points in the first three quarters of the game.
Speaker 1: And and sometimes you can, you have.
Speaker 2: The ability to come back and steal these games, like
Speaker 2: they did last week, But then other times it's not
Speaker 2: going to work out. And they're supposed to be better
Speaker 2: than this, Eric, Yeah, and they're not.
Speaker 9: It's it's like pulling teeth until the end of the
Speaker 9: fourth quarter. They mean, they fell short against the Jaguars
Speaker 9: in London, where they had the little spur and they
Speaker 9: put himself in a kind of a spot to maybe
Speaker 9: steal it where they had a quick little rebound and
Speaker 9: you know it's like they cut it close. They had
Speaker 9: a weird hooking ladder. They got lucky last week. You
Speaker 9: know they probably could have got a PI call that
Speaker 9: would have thrown that game the other way. And then yeah,
Speaker 9: this week, they the offense is asleep at the wheel,
Speaker 9: feels like until until way late with it like it's
Speaker 9: they shouldn't be they it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's real tough. Week seven.
Speaker 3: Week seven is early for a team like the Bills,
Speaker 3: where it's almost like the playoffs only matter three losses,
Speaker 3: you don't have three losses. But it doesn't. It doesn't
Speaker 3: put them. They're just such a strange team because they
Speaker 3: were the number one team in DVOA heading into last
Speaker 3: week because they were stopped. They've had these weird like
Speaker 3: huge downs and huge ups, and that's surprising to me
Speaker 3: for a veteran team. Now, there was one schematic, one
Speaker 3: thing with the Patriot dophinsive line, and I think could
Speaker 3: help change their season. They put mike O and Wuennu,
Speaker 3: who's been a very good right tackle when they played
Speaker 3: their out at right tackle. He'd been at guard when healthy,
Speaker 3: and they got cold strange back there their first repick,
Speaker 3: so they had a couple spots that looked better. The
Speaker 3: right tackle position was the worst in the entire NFL,
Speaker 3: so maybe that helps there off when.
Speaker 4: They went on this run of dominance earlier in the year,
Speaker 4: though you look back, it's like they dominated the Raiders
Speaker 4: and the Commanders and the Dolphins. That's a big win
Speaker 4: when I watched this team, because I think Dalton Kincaid
Speaker 4: had a nice game today, and you thought that would
Speaker 4: be consistent throughout the year. But like, if it's not
Speaker 4: Stephan Diggs, there's a lack of weapons on this in
Speaker 4: this offense. And I think we felt that way like
Speaker 4: going into the year, that like they were they gonna
Speaker 4: go sign DeAndre Hopkins or one of these guys, and
Speaker 4: they didn't do it. And there's just periods and moments
Speaker 4: throughout some of these lower echelon performances by the Bills
Speaker 4: where someone's missing right.
Speaker 1: A couple of things here.
Speaker 2: Here's just because I like this quote David Andrews Patriot Center.
Speaker 1: This one gave me, gave me feels.
Speaker 16: You know it feels good.
Speaker 1: It feels good.
Speaker 2: You can go home and you know, having a beer
Speaker 2: sitting outside and you feel real good. And I like
Speaker 2: the idea of just going outside and sitting outside having
Speaker 2: a beer.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been a nice they've not had a lot
Speaker 4: of beer drinking Sundays.
Speaker 2: Like a crisp like New England Shore mid to late October. Like,
Speaker 2: he's gonna sit he's gonna be a little sore, but
Speaker 2: he's gonna have that beer.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: The other the other quote, I want to play for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you like put on a little like you know, maybe.
Speaker 3: One of the first two like Band of Horses albums, right,
Speaker 3: especially a guy who he'd gone to three straight Super
Speaker 3: Bowls at one point.
Speaker 1: This is dark. He's going to need more than one.
Speaker 2: You can smell, you know, you smell that chimney, you know,
Speaker 2: the chimney smoke in the air and that then you
Speaker 2: could maybe a breath, but you're bundled up, Crisp.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's I don't know if the
Speaker 3: fires have started yet, right, I don't Foxboro.
Speaker 1: Well, what I mean, it's almost November. I lived there.
Speaker 1: Cold there, it's cold. Uh, here's Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Uh, and this was actually really nice to see because
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick won his three hundredth game of his career.
Speaker 2: That's third all time, and uh, he obviously was looking
Speaker 2: inward and was quite verbose and sharing, Uh, this special
Speaker 2: moment for him.
Speaker 1: So let's listen to it.
Speaker 3: It's your reaction to becoming the third head coach with
Speaker 3: three hundred wins behind Don Shula and George Hellis.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's great.
Speaker 2: I'm really more focused on, you know, our team in
Speaker 2: this year and worry about that later.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was you actually got me for some reason.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you were going to throw it too.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, because he was. There was a
Speaker 3: great clip of him I tweeted out of him at
Speaker 3: the Patriots Hall of Fame ceremony this weekend. I've never
Speaker 3: seen him looser and happier talking about Dante Scarnekia, who
Speaker 3: got inducted to the Hall of Fame, like telling jokes
Speaker 3: and like making impressions and like, I've actually never heard
Speaker 3: him literally speak like that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Wow, Bill, maybe Bill, this was
Speaker 1: like you know in concert thing right? Absolutely No, he
Speaker 1: was gushing.
Speaker 3: Hey, warm, shout out to Mike Rabil also got inducted
Speaker 3: on Sunday. I love the fact that he ended his
Speaker 3: halftime induction speech to the Patriots Hall of Fame, who
Speaker 3: was like, all right, I'm out of here. We got
Speaker 3: a game to win. I was like, oh wow, I
Speaker 3: hope Crave Digger is not watching this. We got a
Speaker 3: game to it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank for all those touchdowns.
Speaker 4: I thought this was surprising because we've already sort of
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, flashpoint focus that like maybe this
Speaker 4: whole Belichick thing ends with New England. Like Rapaport brought
Speaker 4: this bomb this morning that Belichick signed a lucrative multi
Speaker 4: year extension in the offseason.
Speaker 1: So if Kraft was already.
Speaker 4: Thinking, and I get all that that's just money, it's
Speaker 4: Crafts a billionaire, So like.
Speaker 3: I want to know what that means exactly right, Tom
Speaker 3: Kerran kind of following two things, lucrative and multi year.
Speaker 5: Well, those two things are words that have meaning.
Speaker 3: Tom Kerrn followed up believing that multi year meant twenty
Speaker 3: three and twenty four and that it wouldn't affect the decision.
Speaker 1: Like he was not hired for this season.
Speaker 3: They basically ripped that it was a way of their
Speaker 3: kind of spinning it, whereas like they ripped up the
Speaker 3: old contract that it's probably pass.
Speaker 4: And again, I think Robert Kraft could buy forty two
Speaker 4: houses and decide he doesn't want them.
Speaker 1: So I get that, So it's not I also thought.
Speaker 2: But in the minority on the show, that I don't
Speaker 2: think he's going to lose his job after this year,
Speaker 2: but he'd be more likely to get another shot, maybe
Speaker 2: a new quarterback.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's.
Speaker 3: Well, who knows, there's ten there's literally ten gars that
Speaker 3: that's the biggest factor is how these ten games go.
Speaker 3: If they if a bunch of them go like this,
Speaker 3: he'll do fine.
Speaker 1: They'll win a few games, you know they will.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean all the fans out there, like
Speaker 2: Brockman with the Rich Eisen Show. I like Brockman, but
Speaker 2: you know they're like pounding the table like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna get the first roll up pick. We're tanking for
Speaker 2: Caleb and all this stuff. We're not rooting for you
Speaker 2: to get that. Yeah, no, why would you're not like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe the Patriots will look out and get the first
Speaker 2: overall pick.
Speaker 4: No, what a fairy tale with that delight us?
Speaker 5: So I don't need that to happen. You got it, Greg,
Speaker 5: You've got twenty years.
Speaker 16: Great.
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of bad teams lost today though,
Speaker 3: is a good day for the one win teams. They're
Speaker 3: not too far down in the Peccan order still. I
Speaker 3: think they're at the fifth pick. All right, Okay, I'm trapping,
Speaker 3: I'm tracking it.
Speaker 1: Let's take a.
Speaker 2: Break and then we will continue onward. All right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so a bunch of close games there. Uh, here's a
Speaker 2: game that disappointed me. Like, I'm like, my dog is
Speaker 2: he just turned one and he's still you know, he's
Speaker 2: essentially a teenager at this point, so he'll he'll act
Speaker 2: out when we leave him. Sometimes he gets up, so
Speaker 2: he'll jump up and grab something and like he ate a.
Speaker 1: Box of cookies and we're like, gosh, he gonna die.
Speaker 1: Like he didn't die, which was good. What kind of cookies?
Speaker 1: Like were they?
Speaker 2: They were ginger dark chocolate ginger cookies I got from
Speaker 2: England for my wife and she's like I don't like ginger.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh great, the big hell there and then
Speaker 2: the dog ate them and was like heaving for a
Speaker 2: couple of days.
Speaker 1: It's a double l good job by me.
Speaker 2: Anyway, My point being I'm disappointed both in captain but
Speaker 2: still love him, and also the potential shootout between the
Speaker 2: Chargers and Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Hmm, that wasn't Kelsey's in the backfield is an h BAC.
Speaker 1: They're gonna fake a handoff.
Speaker 17: Now they're gonna go on a pass inside and dragging
Speaker 17: into the insign tuch doown Cansas City.
Speaker 1: Him.
Speaker 17: The Chiefs get the touchdown with a little bit of
Speaker 17: a formation trickery. They had Travis Kelsey lined up in
Speaker 17: the backfield. He ran a running back route and Kelsey,
Speaker 17: who lined up in the backfield, just ducked inside and
Speaker 17: was able to drag three Chargers almost lost the ball
Speaker 17: as he hit the ball up above his helmet and
Speaker 17: the Charger were trying to rip it out.
Speaker 2: All right, Bob w Z excuse me. That was Mitch
Speaker 2: Holtis with WDAF with a call. That was a funny
Speaker 2: play because Travis Kelcey wasn't really opening and Canarius Tony
Speaker 2: flared out out of the backfield and he was all
Speaker 2: by himself for an easy touchdown and Mahomes is like, no,
Speaker 2: keylor Swift's here someon.
Speaker 3: He was going to fire this ball into Kelsey threw
Speaker 3: it low. Kelsey had a great athletic thought process, like
Speaker 3: I really.
Speaker 2: Do think it factors in, and he made the catch
Speaker 2: and then just lifted the ball above his head like
Speaker 2: I took the kids to see.
Speaker 1: H there's an old time theater in the town I live.
Speaker 2: Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein and like he's like Strange,
Speaker 2: the guy Glenn Strange who played Frank Sign. He's just
Speaker 2: holding over his head the ball and it's like, hey, Chargers,
Speaker 2: come back to us, knock the ball out of his hands,
Speaker 2: and instead they just let him get pushed into the
Speaker 2: end zone. It was the third touchdown for Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: in the first half. He finished with four, and the
Speaker 2: Chiefs end up cruising to a thirty one to seventeen win.
Speaker 2: The reason I was disappointed because this game was seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 2: I want to say about early to mid second quarter.
Speaker 2: There were four touchdowns scored in seven minutes and five
Speaker 2: seconds of game time in the first half at one point,
Speaker 2: and you know, listen, in the early games, I went
Speaker 2: from watching and I'm like, God, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about it later, but it was when we're watching Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield and Desmond Ritter in the early slate. Tow all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I have Herbert and Mahomes in the
Speaker 2: late slate, and this game starts out beautifully, and all
Speaker 2: I could think to myself is this is going to
Speaker 2: be the game everyone's talking about. Not quite, because the
Speaker 2: Chiefs defense greg, which it's been lights out pretty much
Speaker 2: all year, once again once they kind and of course
Speaker 2: corrected completely shut down LA in the end of the
Speaker 2: second quarter throughout the second half, shutting them out in fact,
Speaker 2: and it's an easy win for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: As a result.
Speaker 3: It's another second half where the Chargers offense gets absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: They're just not built to be like this.
Speaker 3: And you do have to give the credit though to
Speaker 3: the Chiefs defense, because it's now week after week, it's
Speaker 3: now coming against some good quarterbacks and it's very often
Speaker 3: at the linebacker position. Bolton Nick Bolton hurt his wrist
Speaker 3: late in this game, and I think that would be
Speaker 3: a big loss.
Speaker 1: Located rist.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's tough, and we'll see like when and how
Speaker 3: he can play through that if they put a cast
Speaker 3: on that, but that could be a while. But Willie
Speaker 3: Gay was everywhere in this game, and when Drew Trankles
Speaker 3: needed to play this year.
Speaker 1: He's been awesome.
Speaker 3: I just love the way Spags is deploying these guys.
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, like sometimes maybe you will
Speaker 3: get four hundred and twenty four yards and four touchdowns
Speaker 3: from a Homes plus a good defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not.
Speaker 2: Kind of been waiting for that, and I know, like
Speaker 2: fantasy owners been waiting for that, Like, where's the Mahomes
Speaker 2: explosion game. Here's some crazy stats. Because to the credit
Speaker 2: of the Chargers, and I don't want to give them
Speaker 2: a ton of credit because they kind of drive me
Speaker 2: crazy watching them. They tightened up defensively in the second
Speaker 2: half of themselves the second half themselves and kept this
Speaker 2: from turning into a fifty burger situation. But the Chiefs
Speaker 2: had three hundred and thirty three yards of offense at halftime.
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey's stat line at half nine for one forty
Speaker 2: three and one on nine targets. Patrick mahomes Is stat
Speaker 2: line and a half twenty for twenty three for three
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one yards, three touchdowns and a pick,
Speaker 2: another touchdown called back on penalty that led to a
Speaker 2: field goal. And I mean, listen, Mahomes's beauty personified as
Speaker 2: a quarterback. But the Charges were embarrassing their defense in
Speaker 2: the first half of this game. The number of times
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey is in the conversation is the greatest tight
Speaker 2: end who's ever lived. He is all by himself, over
Speaker 2: and over and over. And I understand Mahomes. Part of
Speaker 2: his greatness is he can evade a pocket when he
Speaker 2: gets muddy, and he makes late decisions, and he does
Speaker 2: that move where he gets close to the line of
Speaker 2: scrimmage and just when you think he's scrambling, he throws
Speaker 2: it not like a little checkdown but like a twenty
Speaker 2: yard shotdown field that goes for a huge play because
Speaker 2: the defense is broken down. He was doing that, but
Speaker 2: doing it over and over and over to the point
Speaker 2: where it's like, aren't you a defensive head coach, Brandon Staley?
Speaker 2: Where are the adjustments? And by the time they came,
Speaker 2: it was already too late.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've come to expect frustration from the Charge to this point.
Speaker 4: But it is a division opponent. You should know Patrick
Speaker 4: Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Andy Reid as well as
Speaker 4: anyone in the league.
Speaker 5: And you have justin Herbert that's the one thing.
Speaker 4: That you have where if the Chiefs keep scoring, they
Speaker 4: keep producing. And I'm looking at what happens here in
Speaker 4: the second half in a key divisional matchup, and it's
Speaker 4: red zone interception, three and out, three and out, three
Speaker 4: and out, closed the game with another interception, and it's
Speaker 4: two games in a row where it's like and I
Speaker 4: look at we all, justin Herbert, it's no questioning his talent,
Speaker 4: but like, you're not getting the job done, and I
Speaker 4: think there's just something intrinsically and chemically wrong with the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Well it's like I don't expect that. I mean they're
Speaker 1: the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But then even to the point where you went
Speaker 4: in thinking this would be a great game, I mean,
Speaker 4: they'll take games down to the end.
Speaker 5: But it's like, this is a team that is two
Speaker 5: and four.
Speaker 1: Is not the sum of.
Speaker 4: Their parts for the second or third year in a
Speaker 4: row under this coaching staff, and you can't make things
Speaker 4: this easy for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Well, they know what's at stake this season, Brandon Staley
Speaker 3: and the coaching stuff. They know they have to finish,
Speaker 3: I think with a winning record to keep their jobs.
Speaker 3: But this actually was different because look, they every one
Speaker 3: of these games always comes down to the wire. This
Speaker 3: is actually the first two score win by the Chiefs
Speaker 3: over the Chargers in four years, so that, yeah, that
Speaker 3: goes back even to before when Staley was here. It's
Speaker 3: October twenty second, we're wrapping up Week seven. The division's over.
Speaker 3: The AFC West has won. Unless you think the Raiders
Speaker 3: are rallying here to go win this division, it's over.
Speaker 1: Only a psychotic with the just say it it is over.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: Barring a disaster around Patrick Mahomes or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, same Buckler, whoever's backing him up could do it.
Speaker 2: And the yeah, I mean I understand creation mark because yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sick of talking about the Chargers like this also,
Speaker 2: but it's like you watch a game like this and
Speaker 2: there's such a mess in the first half defensively, and
Speaker 2: then the second half when they plug that hole, they're
Speaker 2: total mess offensively, and it's like, guys.
Speaker 3: And they give up a big special teams play right
Speaker 3: after Staley, who's been a little more cautious, decides to
Speaker 3: punt on fourth and five. The football gods punish him
Speaker 3: by having the return go to almost exactly the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage where the punt was.
Speaker 2: And the return was by Mikole Hardman, who also had
Speaker 2: a big third down conversion. Or the closing Travis Kelcey,
Speaker 2: uh before the closing Isaiah Pachenko touchdown the.
Speaker 1: One the one thing.
Speaker 4: And I know people like there's half the people listeners
Speaker 4: don't want to hear anything about like this individual. But
Speaker 4: like the splits, Travis Kelcey's like whether Taylor Swift oh
Speaker 4: present or not?
Speaker 5: Are insane? And you know what, I don't know. We're
Speaker 5: human beings.
Speaker 4: Like if you're if the woman that you love is
Speaker 4: watching you something, don't you think that maybe it can
Speaker 4: change who you are?
Speaker 1: Is that crazy?
Speaker 2: People are like, oh whatever, he might be in a
Speaker 2: very happy headspace. I yeah, because Taylor is at the
Speaker 2: game again. I was actually thinking this is a little
Speaker 2: different quick tailor take, and everybody's like.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they're talking about tills fast forward fifteen. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's a story, it's it's just a thing. Just relax.
Speaker 2: We have we have to ruin everything now, right Like that,
Speaker 2: That's what social media mostly does.
Speaker 3: Like this, I haven't heard one, but always like that
Speaker 3: table the tailor swifts, like what is it one minute
Speaker 3: a show?
Speaker 1: Tops Ever, there was a.
Speaker 2: Play where Mahomes made a great throw to to Kelsey
Speaker 2: in the end zone. He was interfered with, almost came
Speaker 2: down with that interfered with. So they were set up
Speaker 2: first and goal, and they showed Patrick Mahomes's wife is Brittany. Okay,
Speaker 2: Brittany Mahomes next to Taylor, and Brittany Mahomes is reacting
Speaker 2: when she sees the flag go up.
Speaker 1: She knows what it means.
Speaker 2: Taylor is like, oh, because the ball wasn't caught. I'm curious.
Speaker 2: Is Taylor is starting to learn some of the nuances
Speaker 2: of the sport. I bet that she understand what the
Speaker 2: laundry came coming out meant. Are we still working toward that?
Speaker 2: Did she know football before? I don't want to make
Speaker 2: an assumption that she didn't know anything about football. In
Speaker 2: that moment, she seemed a little bit lost in space,
Speaker 2: whereas Mahomes's wife was totally plugged in.
Speaker 1: That was one take I had from a replay, and.
Speaker 3: That's the new question two weeks two weeks ago, we
Speaker 3: were I was talking about like, yeah, Kelsey's catching passes,
Speaker 3: but like, where are the explosive plays yards for play
Speaker 3: at the last two games twenty one for three oh
Speaker 3: three in two games.
Speaker 1: Absurd, what is happening?
Speaker 4: And also, by the way, this is a completely like
Speaker 4: side note, but Greg and I noticed this before the game, like,
Speaker 4: why is Bernie Cozar hanging out?
Speaker 2: I don't know, pregame with Taylor Swift. You answer that
Speaker 2: question you've been in contact with over the year.
Speaker 1: No, I will ask him. I'll ask him hashtag wellness.
Speaker 2: That was one of the strangest tweets I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in my life. Real quick, two more things. She Rushi,
Speaker 2: Rice flashed a little bit in this game, has splashed
Speaker 2: a little bit the last couple of weeks like that.
Speaker 2: We've talked about we need the Chiefs need one more
Speaker 2: guy to kind of become a guy.
Speaker 1: He's a guy? Could it be Rice?
Speaker 2: And if he is, lookout because this team with this
Speaker 2: defense and my goodness. And finally, speaking of internet cynicism,
Speaker 2: controversial Chargers fan lady, Remember we got all upset about
Speaker 2: Mary and the woman Mary and Doe or do I
Speaker 2: don't know?
Speaker 1: Really you have her name, that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. She was wearing a Chargers jersey.
Speaker 2: They cut her at one point, so obviously a big event. Oh,
Speaker 2: she was wearing a matching yellow hat of like a
Speaker 2: startup chicken company, so she was helping out in front.
Speaker 1: No, it was Buffalo Wild Wings was the hat she
Speaker 1: was wearing.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, as I thought, I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 2: held out your intent lingering around. Yeah in the situation, Yeah, Greg,
Speaker 2: I'm happy she got paid. You know, let's go free chicken.
Speaker 1: You've done it again, all right. Case The offensive line
Speaker 1: was great too.
Speaker 2: They're very Hey, guess what, they're a good ass team
Speaker 2: and everyone's going to suffer another long season trying to
Speaker 2: beat them. Oh, speaking of suffering, I was on this
Speaker 2: Falcons Bucks beat.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So it's a fifty one yard try
Speaker 1: never locking it away South team. Oh ever, piniont home snap?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? They think you win the game
Speaker 1: for Atlanta.
Speaker 13: Spot kick from coup is aware and it is good.
Speaker 13: Fly home safely Atlanta. Sixteen thirteen is the final in
Speaker 13: Tampa Jung Way Coup the winner from fifty one yards.
Speaker 13: Atlanta goes to two and zero in the division.
Speaker 1: Ow Megan Western with the call Falcons Radio.
Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons lead a division in the NFL I
Speaker 2: demand to reco and a sloppy affair the that accelerated
Speaker 2: the aging process of all those unfortunate enough to watch.
Speaker 1: In the spirit of transparency, I was paid to.
Speaker 2: Do so, the Falcons rode a late thirty nine yard
Speaker 2: reception by Kyle Pitts at a Young Way coup fifty
Speaker 2: one yard er that you heard his time expired to
Speaker 2: edge the Bucks sixteen thirteen. Tampa Bay has now lost
Speaker 2: three or four, proving once again that September is a
Speaker 2: big fat liar. They're not very good, very frustrating, watch
Speaker 2: very hard watch the Falcons. The reason I'm not even
Speaker 2: that you know upseaid about the lock is because the Falcon.
Speaker 2: The Falcons should have won this game four different ways,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't because Desmond Rinner fumbled the ball three
Speaker 2: times and lost all three fumbles.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you about the fumbles.
Speaker 2: One was first and goal at the one a muff
Speaker 2: snap that he couldn't recover, and the second one was
Speaker 2: on a really nicely designed play call where he scrambled
Speaker 2: and was heading toward the pylon, maybe let up just
Speaker 2: enough for a Tampa Bay defender to come in and
Speaker 2: knock it out.
Speaker 1: Of his hand at a.
Speaker 3: Bound Antoine Winfield, who is having of a contract year
Speaker 3: man is looking.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful play and a great hustle play.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't quite call it don beebe leon Lett, but
Speaker 2: it was that type of vibe where it looked like
Speaker 2: it was definitely a touchdown and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's going the other way. So the fact that you
Speaker 2: had two absolutely crushing turnovers by Atlanta on offense at
Speaker 2: the one yard line that never happens, but you still
Speaker 2: find a way. And part of the reason mark they
Speaker 2: found the way is because the Bucks offense could not
Speaker 2: get things going. I owe the Falcons defense and apology.
Speaker 2: I kind of kind of said they weren't much on
Speaker 2: the Thursday preview show. Statistically they've been pretty good this year,
Speaker 2: and in this game they continually kind of gave Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield fits. And the Bucks are zero for two in
Speaker 2: the red zone, including late in the game where they
Speaker 2: had a chance to steal it themselves, but they never
Speaker 2: came close.
Speaker 1: The Falcons find a way.
Speaker 4: You don't see too many games like this where if
Speaker 4: you're Atlanta, you got inside the twelve yard line three
Speaker 4: times and produced zero points on those instances. I wonder
Speaker 4: if it'd be different because I know so Bjeon Robinson
Speaker 4: went out with an illness because he did play it
Speaker 4: for a spot of time at least, but then they
Speaker 4: lose him.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that would played a big difference.
Speaker 3: He played ten total snaps, he said out after the game.
Speaker 3: He woke up suffering from like headaches, a ton of headaches,
Speaker 3: and they tried to go easy on him.
Speaker 1: Strange.
Speaker 2: Everything was strange about it because he was not on
Speaker 2: the injury report obviously, so he's saying he woke up
Speaker 2: with it. Okay, then he's on the sideline with his
Speaker 2: helmet on and not getting on the field at all.
Speaker 2: He actually does eventually get a touch, and his first
Speaker 2: touch comes with twenty eight seconds remaining in a thirteen
Speaker 2: to thirteen game and the Falcon's driving for the game
Speaker 2: winning field goal attempt. Like I've never seen any of
Speaker 2: this stuff happen before. It just this Artie Smith Falcons
Speaker 2: team is bizarre. But to their credit, they found a
Speaker 2: way without their best player to get this done. So
Speaker 2: it's not going to change anyone's feelings. I don't think
Speaker 2: about the Falcons' offense because they're still held back by
Speaker 2: a turnover plagued quarterback. However, if you look at some
Speaker 2: of the yard, yes they're moving the ball better, and
Speaker 2: unquestionably the team has a pulse in terms of moving
Speaker 2: the football.
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts has been involved, Greggy, but you just wonder.
Speaker 2: How much longer they can sustain these back breaking turnovers
Speaker 2: if they play teams that are actually good, which the Bucks.
Speaker 1: Are not, which but they really don't.
Speaker 3: And so right, I think we should all just take
Speaker 3: take a minute, take a step back, and just accept
Speaker 3: like this is the NFC South, right, we are going
Speaker 3: to experience this for ten more weeks.
Speaker 1: Right there is what Colleen was talking about.
Speaker 2: By the way, yes I see where she was on
Speaker 2: some level, and this sometimes happens with Connie doesn't understand
Speaker 2: a seg totally. She tried to the entire division and
Speaker 2: great comedy ensues. But in the case of this, like
Speaker 2: watch this game, and then Colleen's comment makes more sense
Speaker 2: because we just do we need this, like society need it.
Speaker 1: But they're also like the Bucks, Saints and Falcons.
Speaker 3: They're all deeply flawed, deeply frustrating, dumb in different ways
Speaker 3: that the Bucks are just kind of like mediocre. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they quite fit with the Falcons in
Speaker 3: the Saintes and they're gonna have They're not the worst
Speaker 3: five teams in the league.
Speaker 1: They're certainly not anywhere near the best.
Speaker 3: And there's just gonna be like a whole season worth
Speaker 3: of these types of games, and one of them will
Speaker 3: get to nine wins maybe who knows, maybe even ten
Speaker 3: because the schedules are so soft.
Speaker 1: Probably not, though I just don't see it. And you know, if.
Speaker 3: We're lucky, it's not the Sunday night Week eighteen game
Speaker 3: with only like the only playoff potential game.
Speaker 1: Can't do that. It's too early to worry about that.
Speaker 3: I don't mind like weird, ugly teams, but it's just like,
Speaker 3: let's just accept that.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they are.
Speaker 2: They're a quadrant of like relegated teams that are within
Speaker 2: the NFL, And it's like, as long as you understand that,
Speaker 2: like they're not really like the real teams, but they
Speaker 2: do their little thing. They play each other twice a
Speaker 2: year and occasionally they play the real teams.
Speaker 1: It helps to process it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you you you know, went out of your
Speaker 4: way to lock one of these teams and pick this
Speaker 4: game to witness, so I hope I think. I mean,
Speaker 4: like the lesson learning on your end will probably never
Speaker 4: lock a.
Speaker 2: Bad team, like and and that's I've made that mistake before.
Speaker 2: And I didn't think the Bucks were necessarily bad, but
Speaker 2: I kind of think they might be pretty bad after
Speaker 2: watching this because Baker in the offense is really coming
Speaker 2: down to earth and.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can we get a running back in
Speaker 1: that building?
Speaker 5: They seem allergic to that not run the ball.
Speaker 2: I would say, like, it's not gonna work without a
Speaker 2: running game when you're Baker Mayfield your quarterback.
Speaker 4: I know, although today he had like that thirty one
Speaker 4: yard thirty something yard run on third and long, and like,
Speaker 4: I feel like this is just a small little part
Speaker 4: of his game. But every week there's been an element
Speaker 4: of Baker like converting and moving the chains with his feet,
Speaker 4: and I mean that's a small, little, tiny thing.
Speaker 3: So what I mean, there's just enough with this Bucks team.
Speaker 3: Like Lavante David is playing outstanding. I mentioned Winfield. I
Speaker 3: think he's been an all Pro type safety this year,
Speaker 3: like and the Falcons have players too, like London and
Speaker 3: Pits are showing up week after week, making some impressive plays.
Speaker 1: That's why they'll get to eight wins and not four wins.
Speaker 2: That was a good scrambled by Baker, but they scored
Speaker 2: six points in lest.
Speaker 5: No, I know they're an incomplete You gotta win.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Falcons fans are gonna be mad
Speaker 2: at me. But it's like you guys know, no, they're frustrated.
Speaker 2: You guys know I'm not doing this like to antagonize
Speaker 2: you what that you locked against them? No, like they
Speaker 2: know when I'm What I'm saying here is not trying
Speaker 2: to get the mad like.
Speaker 1: It's just they're They're very fortunate to have the number
Speaker 1: of wins. I think they have the highest ceiling of
Speaker 1: this division.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's gonna matter or mean anything, though,
Speaker 3: I do think they have the highest ceiling.
Speaker 1: All right, let us move on.
Speaker 2: Then up next we head to the middle ends the
Speaker 2: swamps of Jersey.
Speaker 1: Another tough one. Who I can't they have the corn?
Speaker 1: I showed one on one with Banks right out for
Speaker 1: the left. I'm sorry, took me. Banks's playing how back
Speaker 1: under pressure of points?
Speaker 15: The sun spins away, Crows love on the passer complete
Speaker 15: attended Producson Isaiah Simmons got pressure on the quarterback, forcing
Speaker 15: a pack crow and the Giant stop Washington on fourth
Speaker 15: and five with fifty.
Speaker 1: Six seconds left. The call.
Speaker 2: Is by the Great Bob Papa Giants Radio and boys.
Speaker 2: I think there's one thing to take away from this game.
Speaker 2: You never fork the New York Football Giants.
Speaker 1: That's your takeaway. We can move on to the next game.
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor threw two second quarter touchdown passes and Dexter
Speaker 2: Lawrence led a Big Blue defense that.
Speaker 1: Had six sacks.
Speaker 2: They had five all year entering this game, had six sacks,
Speaker 2: including five in the first half, and they made that
Speaker 2: last minute Stan you just heard.
Speaker 1: With a little help from John Dotson, squeeze a kid.
Speaker 2: They snap a four game losing streak with a fourteen
Speaker 2: to seven win over the Commanders at MetLife Stadium. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this game another one that they will not be sending
Speaker 2: to Canton. Giants looked really good in the first half
Speaker 2: and the defense was humming. Like I said, five sacks
Speaker 2: in the first half, Taylor throwing it all over the
Speaker 2: field with ease. Saquan looking good even though he suffered
Speaker 2: a little bit of an elbow injury in this game.
Speaker 2: Darren Waller again in the mix, clearly has better chemistry
Speaker 2: with Taylor than he's had with Daniel Jones. That all
Speaker 2: dried up in the second half, but the defense did
Speaker 2: enough to get this win and keep their faint hopes alive.
Speaker 4: I mean, Sam Howell came in having been sacked thirty
Speaker 4: four times. I think it was like thirteen of those
Speaker 4: were on Sam Howell and the way that he plays, So,
Speaker 4: I mean it's one of those rare instances. I feel
Speaker 4: like we spend our preview show looking at what's happened
Speaker 4: and saying, this is probably something that could happen, and
Speaker 4: then when it actually does in today's NFL kind of like, wow,
Speaker 4: it actually went as as you'd think.
Speaker 1: Sam halliw went and got sacked six times that I'd be.
Speaker 3: Surprising when it's against the Giants who had you know,
Speaker 3: as Dan mentioned, I've going into the year, but they didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't handle the butz and like, look, he's on
Speaker 3: pace for ninety seven Were these Were they the same
Speaker 3: batter David Carr's record.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't put this under what he's gotten in
Speaker 2: trouble with a lot this season was holding the ball
Speaker 2: too long. I think the offensive line had a lot
Speaker 2: of breakdowns and the pressure was instant in many of
Speaker 2: the cases, which you know is surprising against the Giants
Speaker 2: have done almost nothing in.
Speaker 1: That realm until this game.
Speaker 2: But this is also a Commander's team, and I was
Speaker 2: getting tweets throughout the game from Commanders fans that are
Speaker 2: just like they're they they're so sick of this team.
Speaker 2: There's I think it's a Ron Rivera situation. They've now
Speaker 2: lost to the winless, previously winless Bears, They've now lost
Speaker 2: to the one in five Giants, and this is just
Speaker 2: in the last three weeks. And it makes sense when
Speaker 2: you hear Jonathan Allen, one of the very talented players
Speaker 2: on a very talented defensive line, speaking to reporters after
Speaker 2: the game. Here is what he said at courtesy of
Speaker 2: NBC four Sports in DC.
Speaker 1: Does he get frustrating when that tired? Seven years of
Speaker 1: the same tired?
Speaker 18: What can you do now going forward to get it
Speaker 18: turned around?
Speaker 1: Get on man's right and get ready to play for Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: WHOA yeah, Randy or Eric who was in charge of
Speaker 3: the beeps there?
Speaker 1: That was me? Yeah, you did a great Giant.
Speaker 3: I guess what he was saying, excellent beeps that was
Speaker 3: the most him.
Speaker 1: Just enough so they know it's being said.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's a lot of frustration because I
Speaker 2: think they they know or think that they are a
Speaker 2: better team than the Giants, so to be kind of
Speaker 2: punched in the mouth the way they were, and they
Speaker 2: only get back in that game because Sterling Shepherd muffs
Speaker 2: the punt in the second half that leads to a
Speaker 2: short field and the only Commander's touchdown.
Speaker 1: And then late in the game the Giants had it
Speaker 1: locked up.
Speaker 2: Saquan who's I think had his one fumble his entire
Speaker 2: career in the Pros, he coughs it up in the
Speaker 2: red zone. Uh setting up that last drive by Washing
Speaker 2: the falls short again on a dots and drop.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a perfect.
Speaker 2: Throw by Howl, but he did a great job getting
Speaker 2: away from pressure, puts it near enough to make the catch.
Speaker 1: The catch isn't made.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's an inconsistent team for a playing
Speaker 2: for a head coach who's maybe been around for too long,
Speaker 2: and everyone just like there's a lot of excitement around
Speaker 2: the Commanders from a big picture perspective because Snyder's gone,
Speaker 2: but a lot of it is way too familiar for
Speaker 2: fans that are sick. Ye, it doesn't fix it all
Speaker 2: in one week.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna like become a team that sneaks into
Speaker 3: the playoffs, which I think is the ceiling for this
Speaker 3: team unless you take advantage of those situations. On the
Speaker 3: third down play, Sam Howell has Terry McLaurin one on one.
Speaker 3: It's third and five from the seven. There's he like
Speaker 3: a Dori Jackson is out of this game. He's up
Speaker 3: against a rookie. In that scenario, Howell is facing no
Speaker 3: pressure whatsoever, and he doesn't put it anywhere near Terry McLaurin, who,
Speaker 3: by the way, like they didn't target for the first half,
Speaker 3: and then in the second half they target nine times
Speaker 3: and he gets nine yards because He'sterry freaking McLaurin. It's
Speaker 3: just been a bizarre thing. So Howell doesn't even put
Speaker 3: it anywhere near. Just a totally bad ball. And he's
Speaker 3: a very strange quarterback because he makes so many good
Speaker 3: plays and so many bad plays. And then the next
Speaker 3: play he scrambles after getting pressured, makes a nice throw
Speaker 3: to Dotson. It wouldn't have been the game tying touchdown
Speaker 3: because it probably would have been it probably would have
Speaker 3: been a bad first down. It would have been a
Speaker 3: first down down at the one or two with plenty
Speaker 3: of time left. And it's just this team is frustrating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Giants fans, like I said, I mentioned the
Speaker 2: Shepherd turnover, I mentioned the Barkley chip over. There was
Speaker 2: also an all time and I understand he's an edge rusher,
Speaker 2: so these guys, even though defensive backs can't catch. But
Speaker 2: Cavon Hall made a horrendous decision under pressure in his
Speaker 2: own end end zone and threw up a balloon right
Speaker 2: to Cavon like basically handed to him on a platter,
Speaker 2: and had a real chance at a pick six.
Speaker 1: He drops the football.
Speaker 2: And it was so bad that there was a tweet
Speaker 2: that I liked about this, and I took no joy
Speaker 2: in this. But this is just me reporting on the
Speaker 2: game boys. Here is a tweet from I wish I
Speaker 2: had who it was from, but here's what it. Here's
Speaker 2: what it said, Giants players lying all over the field
Speaker 2: in disbelief, Thibodeau distraught. It's like how they reported on
Speaker 2: the Titanic sinking.
Speaker 1: All right, So Felix.
Speaker 4: Seeing Jayal and Hyatt show up, I mean it seems
Speaker 4: like the guy almost functioned better without Daniel.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you you.
Speaker 3: You tweeted it out that there's gonna be a weird
Speaker 3: conversation in New York this week.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting there.
Speaker 2: If things would have kept up for the last two quarters,
Speaker 2: there absolutely would have been a huge conversation. Now it's
Speaker 2: still kind of like more like some whispers. I think, well,
Speaker 2: I think gonna get louder. I thinks next week it
Speaker 2: gets louder.
Speaker 3: I think the whispers can be like, okay, like maybe
Speaker 3: let's not go crazy and say they're way better with
Speaker 3: Tyler Tyrod. But it's like there's certainly no major difference.
Speaker 2: They're very close to winning both these games. All right,
Speaker 2: let's move on. It's time now for the Sunday presented
Speaker 2: by the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Tough timing because
Speaker 2: you don't even have to drive to this particular game
Speaker 2: I'm about to talk about.
Speaker 1: It's right across the sidewalk. Well, we don't have to drive.
Speaker 1: Put we gotta drive to work. Someone else.
Speaker 5: You gotta drive you yet, I gotta get here walking
Speaker 5: home from here.
Speaker 4: Talking about us, we're here, we're here. Now, that's true.
Speaker 4: If you want us make it specifically about us.
Speaker 2: You're right, but if we weren't here now, we would
Speaker 2: be taking the Highlander. Everybody get in the Highlander. Okay,
Speaker 2: First and goal at the three.
Speaker 17: The Steelers in a tie game, climbing the Highlander with
Speaker 17: everything in tight picket, but head into Pittsburgh West.
Speaker 1: The loan setback is Naji Harris.
Speaker 17: Picket steps in, hands it off Nagy into the end zone.
Speaker 17: Pittsburgh Steelers go ahead, touchdown the iron Horse.
Speaker 19: Nagy goes into the end zone, angry man, running all day,
Speaker 19: showing that strength, that power, and when you had to
Speaker 19: do it, who do you give it to?
Speaker 1: You give it to Nagy.
Speaker 19: Harrison christ job of plunging over the left side his
Speaker 19: first he.
Speaker 1: Was like he was Jim Brown or something.
Speaker 2: Bill hill Grove and Craig Willfie of the call wdv E.
Speaker 2: So if I stadium was lousy with Steelers fans, including
Speaker 2: shack Our Buddy Stills haven't played here a lot, and
Speaker 2: everybody had fun watching him take care of the Rams
Speaker 2: twenty four seventeen behind fourteen unanswered points in.
Speaker 1: The fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: The defense Greggie in this game really shut down Los
Speaker 2: Angeles down the stretch.
Speaker 3: I want to start giving some credit with for Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: before we get to the calls by the officials. Okay,
Speaker 3: even though the calls by the officials were the story,
Speaker 3: let's mention at least that the Steelers came into the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter doing absolutely nothing on offense, had barely over
Speaker 3: one hundred yards six first downs in the game. In
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, they came alive for the first time
Speaker 3: all season. They held the ball for over eleven or
Speaker 3: twelve minutes, They had eleven first downs in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: They get a couple of touchdown drives going, extended drives
Speaker 3: going that kept the ball away from the Rams at
Speaker 3: the end of the game, and Kenny Pickett looked at
Speaker 3: least like rookie Kenny Pickett for the first time all season.
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson absolutely changes this offense. To me, he's more
Speaker 3: valuable to them to Kenny Pickett, maybe even then George Pickens,
Speaker 3: because he's more reliable on a down to down basis. So, yes,
Speaker 3: they got a ton of breaks, and we'll get to that,
Speaker 3: but their offense did take over in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: and also stop the Rams from moving the ball. So
Speaker 3: so some credit, Yeah, give it to the Steelers for
Speaker 3: playing their best when it mattered most in a game.
Speaker 1: They were basically dominated for three quarters. Hm.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, I want to believe in the Steelers tema,
Speaker 4: so they'd win twelve games, and like they finally you
Speaker 4: know what, they're on the base.
Speaker 1: They are on the base. Just the vout. I'll help
Speaker 1: you guys out. They're not gonna win twelve games.
Speaker 4: Well, what I was asking for though before starting to wonder,
Speaker 4: see what you're saying about Pickens. But I I was
Speaker 4: hoping that, like Jalen Warren and Pickens becomes sort of
Speaker 4: the centerpiece of this attack. And I saw they had
Speaker 4: like what ninety one yards in the first half is.
Speaker 1: Pickens ends up five for one oh seven?
Speaker 3: Make some big plays they had, They had some good
Speaker 3: connection on those three drives that I'm talking about. They
Speaker 3: went they had a touchdown drive on a shorter ar
Speaker 3: field and then a ninety yard touchdown drive and then
Speaker 3: they closed the game out.
Speaker 1: Pickens did it?
Speaker 4: Warren, I would like to see more of Jalen Warren. Yes,
Speaker 4: do you believe in Kenny Pickett at this point? Like,
Speaker 4: is no anything change?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But this was in it. It wasn't a fiasco. So
Speaker 3: that's that's a start, like this was a solid game
Speaker 3: from him.
Speaker 2: What are you hear if that's where If that's the
Speaker 2: bar right now, we're gonna talk about the team winning twelve.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: They say, are somehow four and two and I do.
Speaker 3: I just know teams change and and because they're the Steelers,
Speaker 3: I give them a chance to be a team that
Speaker 3: actually becomes good at some point. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: you got to four and two without being good. Now
Speaker 3: you did it with some luck because of the calls
Speaker 3: that I that I mentioned so horrible. First of all,
Speaker 3: they get a as interference on a killer weatherspoon the
Speaker 3: Rams cornerback on a third and eight in a spot
Speaker 3: in the field where the Steelers probably would have punted
Speaker 3: at that point and the Rams would have gotten the
Speaker 3: ball back with over two and a half minutes to
Speaker 3: go down seventh. Doesn't mean they're gonna win, you know,
Speaker 3: there are the Rams offense had shut themselves in the
Speaker 3: foot of the last few drives before that, and so
Speaker 3: who knows, but the Rams were going to get the
Speaker 3: ball back. It was a phantom call. There really wasn't contact.
Speaker 3: It was just awkward. The official was in a bad spot.
Speaker 3: It ended up being like a no no blood play
Speaker 3: because they called the taunting. But the Steelers got another
Speaker 3: chance at it and they picked up the first.
Speaker 1: Down, which was also a bad call.
Speaker 3: By the way, the top was the taunting was a
Speaker 3: bad call too, but it felt like a ball.
Speaker 1: Dopeb was chirping and then he helped, well.
Speaker 3: He went he like turned the guy or he like
Speaker 3: ran around him, so he was in his face and
Speaker 3: then you know, whispered and you know, I don't like
Speaker 3: the taunting called spur they're gonna call. I'm saying they
Speaker 3: did the like shut in his face, like for a
Speaker 3: few seconds.
Speaker 1: I was happy with the resulting, not the process.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I do love the Auntie Johnson.
Speaker 3: I think I think he changes it and that was
Speaker 3: a big time moment in the game. But then then
Speaker 3: the spot and I'm sure if you watch you know,
Speaker 3: red Zone today, you saw it like they go for
Speaker 3: it on a fourth down play for Kenny Pickett. Basically,
Speaker 3: the games on the line. If you pick it up,
Speaker 3: the Steelers win the game. If not, the Rams have
Speaker 3: great field positions to go down the field, and Katy
Speaker 3: Pickett clearly was short replays clearly showed it was short,
Speaker 3: and Sean McVay couldn't challenge it because he was out
Speaker 3: of timeouts. And the play actually went into the two
Speaker 3: minute warning, but it started before the two minute warning,
Speaker 3: so it's not an automatic review game over What are
Speaker 3: we doing here?
Speaker 2: I gotta I got this is gonna be a little controversial,
Speaker 2: but we know there's a little bit of a cannery
Speaker 2: that goes on about sometimes all of a sudden a
Speaker 2: play is ruled a catch and there's like actually upon
Speaker 2: further review, yes, like there is some help going on
Speaker 2: in there. Yes, yeah, yeah, Like just get in the
Speaker 2: air and say we can't end the game that way.
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear that this is at best close but
Speaker 2: not there to let the game end that way. And
Speaker 2: I know you had fifty thousand Steelers fans that were
Speaker 2: thrilled with the ending of that game, but the Rams
Speaker 2: fans that were hoping for one more chance, like that
Speaker 2: is such a gut wrenching way for the game to
Speaker 2: end and kind of in a lot of ways, kind
Speaker 2: of ruin that game because you took it, took away
Speaker 2: what should have been the climax, and ye have that.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're moving on.
Speaker 3: I it was a mistake, and I think it was
Speaker 3: either Patrick Claybon or someone else like quote tweeting him
Speaker 3: that was like, what we have to look at, what
Speaker 3: is the purpose of these replay things, because yes, like
Speaker 3: Sean McVay didn't have a time out left, but the
Speaker 3: point is to get the call right, and I feel
Speaker 3: like there has to be a mechanism to get the
Speaker 3: call right on a call like that. The pass interference,
Speaker 3: I get it. That happens probably once a week where
Speaker 3: there's a big pass interference call that you could argue
Speaker 3: with in a big spot.
Speaker 1: It happens. It sucks.
Speaker 3: But a play like that, which is like the down,
Speaker 3: where you can tell that he's down and something's clearly like,
Speaker 3: there needs to be a mechanism to get rid of it.
Speaker 3: Now that said, I do want to point out Sean
Speaker 3: mc they didn't have those three timeouts in part because
Speaker 3: they blew a timeout because they ran out of time
Speaker 3: early in the third quarter. And that is a Sean
Speaker 3: McVay specialty that absolutely drives me crazy, and it comes
Speaker 3: back to haunt.
Speaker 1: Him pretty often and he still does it. It drives
Speaker 1: me crazy. Two quick points.
Speaker 2: Phukanakua made another big day eight for one fifty four.
Speaker 2: He had one catching near the sideline that like, actually
Speaker 2: it was challenged by Mike Tomlin just because he didn't
Speaker 2: want to believe that it was possible that he could
Speaker 2: get two feet down on the play, and he did.
Speaker 2: And it's like he's almost demanding to be in the
Speaker 2: conversation for the Superstar Club, which is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest surprises of this season. He is the second player
Speaker 2: of via ESPN and NFL history with seven hundred or
Speaker 2: more receiving yards in his first seven career games, and
Speaker 2: the fact that he's still doing it with Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: there tells you a lot. The other thing is, and
Speaker 2: I don't I don't say this in a way to
Speaker 2: be like mean, but if you signed Brett Mahert to
Speaker 2: be your kicker, it And they lost a game today
Speaker 2: that was a close game, and he missed two field goals.
Speaker 1: They were both long kicks.
Speaker 2: But people are drilling fifty yarders on the rag now
Speaker 2: and most crucially an extra point, which led to him
Speaker 2: having the yips at the end of last season. And
Speaker 2: I remember thinking when they broke camp with him, like,
Speaker 2: is he They're going to get through eighteen weeks without
Speaker 2: this guy melting down and costing you a game or
Speaker 2: games before you have to pivot in the middle of
Speaker 2: a season, which no team likes to do.
Speaker 1: It was it was a kind of needless risk.
Speaker 2: I hope Mahart it has a long and successful career,
Speaker 2: but you don't see things like you saw at the
Speaker 2: end of last season very.
Speaker 1: Often in our league.
Speaker 2: Come back from that and to see this happen again,
Speaker 2: I wonder how how long he is.
Speaker 1: For the run.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's we used to have this with quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: and I mean we still do disagree, but there's like
Speaker 4: twenty five functional kickers that don't leave you completely suspect
Speaker 4: and wondering what is going to happen to your team
Speaker 4: on any given Sunday. And Maher's in that subdivision of like, no,
Speaker 4: I don't trust you, and you're going to prove to
Speaker 4: me why I don't trust.
Speaker 3: Right, he missed that extra point, actually got the point
Speaker 3: back with a two later, But the two kicks he
Speaker 3: made after that. What is it that Jay Pheely says
Speaker 3: that he piped it. It was the opposite of piping.
Speaker 3: It was a reverse pipe hook. It was like the
Speaker 3: first you're on the first t and the water is
Speaker 3: on the left, and you're like, just don't hit in
Speaker 3: the water, just don't end in the water. And both
Speaker 3: of them are just these hooks where you're just like,
Speaker 3: I don't need to be a kicking expert to know
Speaker 3: he kicked those with no confidence whatsoever. And so that
Speaker 3: is a big time concerned because going into the fourth
Speaker 3: quarter they had three hundred plus yards and the Steelers
Speaker 3: had one hundred and they should have been winning this
Speaker 3: game by two and a half touchdowns. But the play
Speaker 3: of the game, and I know we've talked about this game,
Speaker 3: but it was one of the plays of the season
Speaker 3: to me, TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt's interception.
Speaker 3: So many things happened after it that you could say
Speaker 3: won in the game, but they were losing that game
Speaker 3: unless TJ. Watt in zone coverage somehow reads the route combination.
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt like he's dropping back and he's supposed to be
Speaker 3: covering the outside receiver.
Speaker 1: He reads exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: He breaks on the ball like he's prime Patrick Peterson,
Speaker 3: not the Peterson they got now, and he gets an
Speaker 3: interception and brings it back to the ten year old
Speaker 3: and is one of the most astounding plays I've ever
Speaker 3: seen a defensive lineman make.
Speaker 1: And that's the only reason they were even in this
Speaker 1: game is setting up that chart.
Speaker 4: How many it's not that they've made this exactly play
Speaker 4: in the past.
Speaker 1: How many times? This is what I mean? But but
Speaker 1: the miles I get it. But that's what TJ.
Speaker 4: TJ Wats credits like. There have been like ten or
Speaker 4: eleven instances of TJ. Watt completely ceiling changing the changing
Speaker 4: games like this with things that other people in his
Speaker 4: position don't do.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the MLB playoffs and Bryce Harper of the
Speaker 2: Phillies has this knack for the big moment, and I
Speaker 2: noticed he's wearing a headband that says the Showman on it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, that's a perfect nickname for that guy. Wat's
Speaker 2: like a showman. And also you are you are you
Speaker 2: arguing Greg? Perhaps uh not on purpose that that was
Speaker 2: a bit of a big momentum swing for the Steelers
Speaker 2: that interception.
Speaker 1: No, don't robot it. What do you mean? Who met
Speaker 1: some swing?
Speaker 3: They were just they were just like losing the game,
Speaker 3: and hen what happened He made it so that they
Speaker 3: won that path to winning the game.
Speaker 1: You describe Okay, else, could you describe what happened?
Speaker 13: Right?
Speaker 3: Speaking of showman, Uh, sometimes this guy Nick Westley tries
Speaker 3: to get on me for not being a showman, even
Speaker 3: though you know I took the Eagles this week. He
Speaker 3: tried to be cool and take the Rams. How'd that
Speaker 3: work out for you?
Speaker 1: There? You go unfair?
Speaker 3: And I already see while we're taping, and I'm trying
Speaker 3: not to focus on it, but there's there's been like
Speaker 3: seven texts between the Cincinnati Zoo.
Speaker 1: Phil is getting after Nick. It's just who knows not again?
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break up and a shout.
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Speaker 2: uh light slate this week with six teams, so we
Speaker 2: just need a pinch hit appearance from Shook to handle
Speaker 2: a game from mile high.
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little Packers Broncos and then welcome
Speaker 1: in the pipe.
Speaker 2: Obviously two down territory even from the Packers forty six,
Speaker 2: A crowd on.
Speaker 1: Their feet making noise.
Speaker 17: Four man rushed Love in the pocket bounces around throws
Speaker 17: a ball deep down the field.
Speaker 14: That ball is in accepting e in accepting bite, and
Speaker 14: this one is going to end with the Broncos winning.
Speaker 1: A whole game.
Speaker 2: Jordan Love, down two points, had a chance to be
Speaker 2: the hero, but then stead he threw a balloon ball
Speaker 2: down the right sideline that was easily intercepted, the death
Speaker 2: low for the Packers in a Broncos nineteen seventeen win.
Speaker 2: The Broncos are now two and five, so they've kind
Speaker 2: of woken up a little bit the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: and the Packers now two and four and not looking
Speaker 2: very good. Yes, as I said, we now welcome in
Speaker 2: the pipe, Nick Shook. And by the way, I just
Speaker 2: realized Jay Feely is saying you piped it, which means
Speaker 2: like a perfect type of thing right in that case
Speaker 2: of kick, And now we have a perfect type of thing.
Speaker 2: A guess that handles game coverage, Nick Chook. Jordan Love
Speaker 2: is tough to watch, Bud right now?
Speaker 1: What is up with that?
Speaker 16: I'm also wondering what reverse pipe would mean in that
Speaker 16: with all that connotation.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we won't go there.
Speaker 16: You know, they say the call, it's it's obviously two down,
Speaker 16: territory right, Not in Jordan Love's world, not where he
Speaker 16: wants to go be the hero and chuck one deep
Speaker 16: into what's essentially ends up being double coverage. I'm I
Speaker 16: am so frustrated watching him play because I've seen the
Speaker 16: potential and you saw it in this game too. He
Speaker 16: was bad Jordan Love for the first two and a
Speaker 16: half three quarters, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 16: wake up.
Speaker 1: They string together a couple of touchdown drives.
Speaker 16: And you're like, well, you're figuring it out again, and
Speaker 16: then and then it ends in the same way like
Speaker 16: it's these Packers fans have to be just so frustrated.
Speaker 1: Now, great, they're spoiled.
Speaker 16: Packers fans have been spoiled for the last two decades
Speaker 16: by elite quarterback play. Welcome to gen pop, folks. This
Speaker 16: is what being an NFL fan and not being a
Speaker 16: fan of the Packers is. Unfortunately for them, another loss,
Speaker 16: another frustrating one.
Speaker 1: But hey, good on the broncos Man.
Speaker 3: They got another w It's funny that shook as much
Speaker 3: like Mark, a Browns fan who hated that the Packers
Speaker 3: had three decades of great I.
Speaker 4: Think I shook and I have dealt with some similarity.
Speaker 4: Don sas have, you know, the Jets fans and all
Speaker 4: the rest.
Speaker 3: Because I just I think with love he's got some
Speaker 3: good things. But at least the way he sees the game,
Speaker 3: like the way he sees defenses when like he's not
Speaker 3: seeing it yet.
Speaker 1: Maybe he will, but he's not seeing it.
Speaker 3: He is very often seems to be confused by what
Speaker 3: the defenses are showing him, even when it's the Broncos defense.
Speaker 1: Shook.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the Broncos defense that was ranking your dead last
Speaker 16: during the last two weeks, and suddenly maybe they're not
Speaker 16: that bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 16: I was watching this game, and I actually had a
Speaker 16: couple of games on my slate today that we're pretty
Speaker 16: similar in that it was just two teams that you
Speaker 16: really don't know if they're any good, the other one
Speaker 16: being Accaneers Falcons, where I'm just like, yeah, these teams
Speaker 16: are basically the same, and either of them are going
Speaker 16: to separate themselves from the rest of the packers. That
Speaker 16: these two teams in Denver were worse than those two teams.
Speaker 16: It was just like the stats are very similar. They
Speaker 16: both ended up with one hundred and ninety four net
Speaker 16: passing yards.
Speaker 1: The door Man's Falcons Bucks game for the week.
Speaker 16: Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's rough to watch them right now.
Speaker 16: And when it's just tough, you know, on the Denver side,
Speaker 16: you gotta feel a little bit better about some of
Speaker 16: the stuff they did. You know, Russell Wilson not great,
Speaker 16: but he's still kind of making plays.
Speaker 1: He hangs out of the football too long.
Speaker 16: They did get a good contribution from the rushing attack,
Speaker 16: and their defense played better. But was it really like
Speaker 16: a litmus test of this defense is starting to come
Speaker 16: around or were they just playing the Packers who slept
Speaker 16: walk through three quarters of this game.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it was an important game.
Speaker 2: Shook And tell me if you agree for Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: coming off two really poor games. If he had another
Speaker 2: clunker here, you might have started hearing some conversations about
Speaker 2: who's the quarterback of this team as we get closer
Speaker 2: to November. But did he do enough in your mind
Speaker 2: to just they won the game and they're not going
Speaker 2: to hear anything like that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I means statistically he was fine. Twenty twenty nine
Speaker 16: and a touchdown pass. It was a nice touchdown pass
Speaker 16: to Courtland Sutton. It's just a good read on a
Speaker 16: good route concept that beat the defense. But again, it's
Speaker 16: kind of some of what we've been seeing from him,
Speaker 16: which is you see the potential. There was that game
Speaker 16: against Washington like a month ago where they lit it
Speaker 16: up in the first half, and you're like, there he is.
Speaker 1: That's who he is.
Speaker 16: But it's just not consistent whether they're playing a good
Speaker 16: defense and they're struggling, and they're playing an average team
Speaker 16: and struggling.
Speaker 1: There just hasn't been a lot of separation there.
Speaker 16: So I feel better about him under Sean Payton than
Speaker 16: I did a year ago because they were completely lost
Speaker 16: a year ago. But and he moves better, he's faster
Speaker 16: to process and make decisions, but he's still Russell. He
Speaker 16: still tries to extend to play way too long, gets
Speaker 16: himself into some bad situations and they end up been
Speaker 16: a game like this where it's a one score game
Speaker 16: because neither team can get out of its own way,
Speaker 16: and then includes Russell Wilfs.
Speaker 4: Do you think like so, Matt Lafloor, It's hard to
Speaker 4: get like a real read on a coach when he
Speaker 4: rolls into a head coaching situation with a Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame quarterback for a number of years and they roll
Speaker 4: through the regular season.
Speaker 1: I think this is a sea.
Speaker 4: This is where it's like, we're gonna find out who
Speaker 4: he is and what and what he can do, and
Speaker 4: what he can do creatively to get out of a
Speaker 4: troubling situation at quarterback. Reallying up and down, like do
Speaker 4: you think he's what's your take on him at this point?
Speaker 4: You think it's a difference making to kind of coach
Speaker 4: or just a guy.
Speaker 16: Well, you know how they take pictures of presidents when
Speaker 16: they first show up in the oval office and then
Speaker 16: they fast forward either four to eight years at the
Speaker 16: end of their term and they've aged significantly. I expect
Speaker 16: that type of aging process.
Speaker 1: A bearded boy no more.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, look, he's a good looking guy, and
Speaker 16: I think he's gonna get a couple of wrinkles this
Speaker 16: year off this season because it's just so frustrating. But
Speaker 16: it's a product of being, you know, a coach of
Speaker 16: the youngest team in the NFL. You got a bunch
Speaker 16: of young guys who just don't have experience. You got
Speaker 16: a receiver goes and bails out his quarterback on a
Speaker 16: touchdown pass that should have been an interception if Romeo
Speaker 16: Dobbs hadn't tied up Patrick Surtain on a pass that
Speaker 16: may or may have not been an interception that was
Speaker 16: ruled in correctly should have been a pick. Yeah, y,
Speaker 16: And so he well, Flora's gonna have to overcome a
Speaker 16: lot of this stuff. He got frustrated with Luke Musgrave
Speaker 16: last week and chewed him out in the sidelines that
Speaker 16: everybody could see on TV. It's just gonna be a
Speaker 16: growing pains process that's going to age him a little
Speaker 16: bit and they're probably not going to contend for much
Speaker 16: of anything. But the hope is is by the end
Speaker 16: of the year that your quarterback makes enough progress. So
Speaker 16: to answer your question, Mark, I think he is the coach.
Speaker 16: I think he's done enough at this point to prove
Speaker 16: that he is.
Speaker 2: But it's just I think sometimes we all get sucked
Speaker 2: in a little bit. And remember all those camp reports
Speaker 2: that are glowing like this was going to be a
Speaker 2: seamless handoff.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a process.
Speaker 2: The Packers have been outscored sixty three to six in
Speaker 2: the first half of their last four games. And here
Speaker 2: is is I as we kiss off the pipe. Nope.
Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos had lost ten consecutive games when leading
Speaker 2: at halftime until today.
Speaker 1: That is one of the more insane. That's hard to do.
Speaker 2: I'll see you fans. That's a tough one. That's a
Speaker 2: tough one. But that streak goes by the boards. Nick
Speaker 2: I apologize for that comment, and we'll.
Speaker 1: See you next week. I'm gonna go figure out what
Speaker 1: reverse pipe means.
Speaker 2: Well, see you guys later, All right, later, buddy, All right,
Speaker 2: let's keep moving. Let's head to Seattle where the Cardinals
Speaker 2: were looking to stage and upset themselves.
Speaker 17: If histe the formation playfake two at this time, Gino's
Speaker 17: gonna throw quite.
Speaker 20: Down the same touchdown Shayhawks Jays and with the touchdown
Speaker 20: his first career score in the National Football League, Tyler
Speaker 20: Lockin picks up the ball.
Speaker 1: He's gonna save it for the rookie out.
Speaker 17: Of Ohio State twenty eight yards and a dart thrown.
Speaker 1: By Gino Smith. The Seahawks on the board. First day
Speaker 1: lead six times. Very nice Steve were able to call.
Speaker 2: Seahawks Radio Kenneth Walker the third ran for a bucko
Speaker 2: five and yes, Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jake Bobo
Speaker 2: nice year for Bobo. Both got first half touchdown passes,
Speaker 2: Seahawks take care of business twenty to ten over the
Speaker 2: one win Cardinals. Class sounds like a classic Marquee take
Speaker 2: care of business effort for Seattle. Maybe one of those
Speaker 2: old Milton Burrell games taken out just enough needed, very
Speaker 2: Milton Burlish.
Speaker 3: Yes, I you now had an abbot in Castello and
Speaker 3: Burroll reference, who are you out?
Speaker 1: Michael's hey all the way back? Maybe poor Al.
Speaker 4: You're right, though, it was. It really was take care
Speaker 4: of business. And I get at this point, I'm kind
Speaker 4: of like, all right, Cardinals, I get it. You're gonna
Speaker 4: do this every week. You're gonna hang around they've lost. No,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's like, no, but this whole
Speaker 4: thing about like like, so you are in this game
Speaker 4: in Seattle. I mean, this was not Seattle's shining moment
Speaker 4: because there were a series of drives in the third
Speaker 4: and fourth quarter where Seattle was sort of inviting the
Speaker 4: Cardinals to come on, make this thing close. It's seventeen
Speaker 4: to ten and Gino Smith gets intercepted at Arizona's one
Speaker 4: yard line. The next drive they're at thirty you at
Speaker 4: the Arizona two. They get nailed with a holding call,
Speaker 4: get stuck at a field goal, gott to punch it
Speaker 4: in there. Then next drive, Gino Smith fumbles the ball
Speaker 4: in Seattle's territory and they're lucky that Arizona misses the
Speaker 4: field goal there. So it's like Cardinals had a chance
Speaker 4: to get back into this, but their final six drives
Speaker 4: the Cardinals wore downs, punt, punt, that missfield goal. I
Speaker 4: mentioned downs, downs. I don't know how many times you
Speaker 4: can go out on fourth down here, but it's like
Speaker 4: they're not able to complete it. I think it's important
Speaker 4: that for the Cardinals, we didn't mention this on Thursday,
Speaker 4: that Kyler Murray's back in that twenty one day window,
Speaker 4: and it sounds like from the reporting from Rapaport and
Speaker 4: others that they are intent on playing him and playing
Speaker 4: him a lot and as soon as possible. So this
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory that I clung to to some degree that
Speaker 4: maybe we never saw Kyler Murray this season will not
Speaker 4: be true. And they do play hard and they do
Speaker 4: hang around. But Seattle, I think one thing that came
Speaker 4: away with this game. They have some young players that
Speaker 4: are really interesting. You mentioned Jake bobl guy can play
Speaker 4: like he made an incredible catch today, maybe the catch
Speaker 4: of the day league wide, and it's like this guy
Speaker 4: can do it. Like Devin Witherspoon, every game seems to
Speaker 4: blow someone's world up. He had a hit today that
Speaker 4: was maybe one of the most massive, devastating elements of
Speaker 4: contact that I've seen all season. And I just kind
Speaker 4: of dig these and I think on Thursday I wanted
Speaker 4: to see Jackson Smith and Jig but like show up,
Speaker 4: and he did today. You know, you didn't have DK
Speaker 4: Metcalf and these guys are making plays.
Speaker 1: So that's my hope for Seattle.
Speaker 4: They don't wow me as a team that's gonna knock
Speaker 4: people off in the playoffs. They're sort of just a
Speaker 4: team to me, but a better than average team.
Speaker 3: They didn't have DK Metcalf today. I mean, all these
Speaker 3: teams changed so much. The Seahawks have changed quite a
Speaker 3: bit for me already through seven weeks. I'm so much
Speaker 3: higher on their defense than I was a month ago.
Speaker 3: And I was wondering what they were going to do
Speaker 3: with Spoon because they had that crazy game on Monday
Speaker 3: Night Football where he was really only in the slot
Speaker 3: because Jamal Adams got hurt. And it's like, oh, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna leave him there. We're not gonna mess with him.
Speaker 3: We're gonna play the safeties around him. We're gonna let
Speaker 3: him be as close to the ball as possible. And
Speaker 3: they really have something there, and Wagner and Brooks are
Speaker 3: playing well together. And if they haven't had an above
Speaker 3: average defense literally for I think eight years, I think
Speaker 3: it was twenty fifteen, if they have a fun defense,
Speaker 3: then you can win games like this where look, they
Speaker 3: handled the Cardinals offense better than most defenses had this year,
Speaker 3: and then they got something where they could be pretty
Speaker 3: dangerous with enough weapons on offense too.
Speaker 2: Gino has been picked inside the twenty back to back weeks.
Speaker 2: That didn't happen at all with Seattle before the last
Speaker 2: two weeks, so he's got to protect the ball there.
Speaker 1: As we know.
Speaker 2: And I'll throw out one more nugget that the Cardinals
Speaker 2: mark did not cross one hundred yards passing until the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, So Josh Dobbs, maybe that plays into a
Speaker 2: little bit of the team itching to get another look
Speaker 2: at their high paid supposed superstar quarterback on the men
Speaker 2: for acl.
Speaker 4: I will say Dobbs like in the last you know
Speaker 4: this season, but also what he did with the Titans
Speaker 4: at the end of last year. That's a nice way
Speaker 4: to carve out a five or six year career going
Speaker 4: forward like this is one of the better backup quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in the league.
Speaker 3: The target, it sounds like for Murray would not be
Speaker 3: next week, week eight, but potentially as soon as week nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a deadline in play where you have
Speaker 2: to have him right on the field or he's done
Speaker 2: for the year. So it looks like it's trending that way.
Speaker 2: Before we get Sunda Night football, Let's close it out
Speaker 2: with a little Raiders Bears at Soldier Field.
Speaker 6: Left to right, five forty six to go in the
Speaker 6: ball game.
Speaker 1: Still, by time you get one Ryan Hoyer first.
Speaker 6: Out, it's out of the twenty five four man a rush.
Speaker 1: It's coming home, but Royer bros. Left hand, it's intershed
Speaker 1: up to Jenny Johnson. Goodbye baby.
Speaker 6: Twenty fifteen ten Bick six touchdown. There an exclamation point
Speaker 6: by a job well done by the Bears defense, his
Speaker 6: second career interception and his first touchdown. Lawyer's been staring
Speaker 6: left all day. Justin broke on it. It took it
Speaker 6: to the house.
Speaker 2: The Raiders went into the season, saying Brian Hoyer is
Speaker 2: our backup. Josh McDaniel said, though, but yeah again, you
Speaker 2: get what you ask. Yeah, Jalen Johnson with a pick six,
Speaker 2: Tyson beagent, nice job, three touchdown drives on the first half.
Speaker 2: Excuse me in this first start with Justin Fields out
Speaker 2: with that hand issue, and the Chicago Bears cruise to
Speaker 2: a thirty twelve win over the Raiders. The Raiders are
Speaker 2: three and four, but it feels like they're one and six.
Speaker 2: But they're three and four and the Bear has now
Speaker 2: improved to two and five. Greg certain corners of Twitter
Speaker 2: slash x, you know, chirping about the idea of is
Speaker 2: Beijing actually better for this offense than Justin Fields?
Speaker 1: You're gonna buy into that. Do you see anything in
Speaker 1: this kid?
Speaker 3: I thought he played really well today. I it wasn't
Speaker 3: about him, He didn't have to do that much, but
Speaker 3: he played like a guy who is gonna be in
Speaker 3: the NFL for nine or ten years. Job's thing you mentioned, Dobbs, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what his ceiling's gonna be. This
Speaker 3: is a rookie playing his first start, undrafted rookie, but
Speaker 3: what he did was get to his second read more
Speaker 3: than once, not do anything stupid really the whole day
Speaker 3: and run and look comfortable.
Speaker 1: He's twenty one for twenty nine.
Speaker 3: One sixty two is nothing crazy, But I felt like, man,
Speaker 3: they might have something here when almost immediately when he
Speaker 3: scrambled on the third down where he goes through his reads,
Speaker 3: he gets the first down and then he's asking a
Speaker 3: moribun soldier field crowd.
Speaker 1: To give him some freaking lovey like just like he played.
Speaker 3: Like a confident young young player who was like not
Speaker 3: not at all, you know, cowed by the moment. He
Speaker 3: only took three quarterback hits, and yes that's partly because
Speaker 3: of the Raiders, partly because of the good game plan
Speaker 3: By gets to getting the ball out of his head,
Speaker 3: but it's probably because he wasn't holding on to the ball.
Speaker 3: So it looked like a functional offense today for one
Speaker 3: of the first times all year. I mean they've had
Speaker 3: they've been up and down, even with fields. They were
Speaker 3: putting up some yardage numbers. But it was a very
Speaker 3: good performance by Like the Bears happy for him.
Speaker 4: The Bear's defense has been such a disaster under Matt
Speaker 4: ebra Flus this season. Like, so I get you're playing
Speaker 4: the Raiders, who are you know, you're dealing with a
Speaker 4: backup quarterback and their their offensive lines got issues. Their
Speaker 4: running game is dead on arrival. So is it that
Speaker 4: or Chicago's defense sort of turning the corner maybe a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 3: They've been a little better certainly the last couple of Look,
Speaker 3: they have two wins by what was this by? By
Speaker 3: twenty plus points. I'm just saying the last cut this
Speaker 3: has been a little bit different. Remember I tried it
Speaker 3: out that that stat about the Texans a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago, that they have more seventeen plus point wins
Speaker 3: than the Vikings have had for the last four years combines. Well,
Speaker 3: now the Bears have too in the last two weeks. So, yes,
Speaker 3: the Bears defense played better, but they were helped out
Speaker 3: by Hoyer starting this game. Josh McDaniels is living in
Speaker 3: his fears. Starting him over O'Connell was insane. Why oh
Speaker 3: Hoyer was staring down receivers. He was begging for a
Speaker 3: pick six all day. He ends up with one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty nine yards and two interceptions on thirty two attempts,
Speaker 3: and he was making the types of mistakes if O'Connell
Speaker 3: was making it the whole time, you're like, go, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a rookie. That's a rookie, just like locking into
Speaker 3: certain guys. Almost every pass he through was touched by
Speaker 3: a Bears defender. It was just like, is the Raiders
Speaker 3: it's DeVante Adam's going to make a contested catch? Or
Speaker 3: are they going to intercept the ball?
Speaker 1: Are they going to.
Speaker 4: Layers lost thirteen straight starts and what are you even
Speaker 4: telling your locker room?
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be playing.
Speaker 5: But O'Connell in there, like skeet let the young players.
Speaker 2: There's a great line in the final season of Succession. Actually,
Speaker 2: I think it's the last scene with Logan Roy the
Speaker 2: patriarch and the children at a karaoke bar I think
Speaker 2: in Chinatown, and he goes after they you know, they
Speaker 2: unload on the father, you know, because they want to
Speaker 2: have control of the company, and then he kind of
Speaker 2: just buries him and he goes, I love you, but
Speaker 2: you'll not see it people. And that's what I feel
Speaker 2: like the Raiders, and specifically McDaniels when he's making decisions
Speaker 2: like this, like you're not a serious head coach.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't get even invested in them. Right now.
Speaker 3: Do you want to know the moment? Well, they're gonna
Speaker 3: be on Monday Night Football next week. I think it's
Speaker 3: their last primetime game. But my god, it's line. It's
Speaker 3: Lines Raiders Monday Night watch US on Channel five in
Speaker 3: the UK. Uh Daniel Carlson kicked a twenty five yard
Speaker 3: field goal on fourth and you know, I think it
Speaker 3: was at like the six or seven, after a seven minute,
Speaker 3: fifteen play drive to cut the score to twenty one
Speaker 3: to six. You're like, oh, okay, well that must have
Speaker 3: been in the second quarter, maybe early thre No, that
Speaker 3: was the.
Speaker 1: That was in the fourth quarter. Logan, that was in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. It was twenty one to three, and he.
Speaker 3: Asked for a field goal and there were actually some
Speaker 3: Raiders fans that risk and I was like, you can't
Speaker 3: be serious. Jasse mcdoners are like, well it cuts into
Speaker 3: two scores. What about this game was gonna tell you
Speaker 3: that they were going to get down there to possibly
Speaker 3: score a touch on or that they would stop the
Speaker 3: Bears running game. The Bears, of course, probably went on
Speaker 3: a seven minute drive and put points up by themselves.
Speaker 1: It's just you're right, they're not as serious. I heard
Speaker 1: Greg going off about this this during the day in
Speaker 1: the news. This because I you know, because and attached.
Speaker 1: I have an attachment to Josh McDaniels. He was part
Speaker 1: of a lot of great moments. You know what.
Speaker 2: Yep, he might be have success yet in this league
Speaker 2: as an offensive coordinator. But this ain't a thing. Before
Speaker 2: we move on, I want to say, can we put
Speaker 2: you know, our producer? By far, We've had a lot
Speaker 2: of producers. It's turning into like a a good drummer
Speaker 2: from a spinal tap situation. The pop culture references are
Speaker 2: all over, spanning the decades, Greg forties, fifties, eighties, thousands.
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at Tyson Badgin when he got
Speaker 2: the uh the game ball. I mean Eric Roberts what
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Eric Roberts is the most inked
Speaker 2: producer we ever had.
Speaker 5: Yes, by far, this is gonna that Sydney was closed.
Speaker 2: He was not since not since Age McCarn have we
Speaker 2: seen ink like this?
Speaker 1: Would you look at that?
Speaker 2: I mean, that is a lot of work and Eric, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're a man who's turned your body into a canvas
Speaker 2: to get that amount of work done on the breastplate
Speaker 2: and surrounding territories. That's gotta be you gotta have respect
Speaker 2: for that, right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about a little bit before. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of work.
Speaker 9: A full chess piece across the shoulder down to looks
Speaker 9: like at least the mid forearm, and it's a lot
Speaker 9: of like scripture, a lot of like it looks religious.
Speaker 9: But yeah, the breastplate is what I've heard, is probably
Speaker 9: the most painful. My brother has a pretty big American
Speaker 9: eagle brother across his chest, and he has a bunch.
Speaker 9: My whole family has a bunch. And he said that's
Speaker 9: the only one where he thought about, like tapping outude.
Speaker 1: He's got a prop engine lane on his I mean left.
Speaker 3: His dad is like the seventeenth time arm wrestling champion
Speaker 3: of the universe.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, they're built different.
Speaker 1: In the Beijing, you love it. He's pretty.
Speaker 9: He's brown out pretty hard in this video where the
Speaker 9: game ball backwards hat trucker hat and tatted up respect
Speaker 9: him though it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I I don't, you know, don't let him win another
Speaker 3: game or else. Like the discourse in Chicago will just
Speaker 3: be a little too much. But I think we they
Speaker 3: I think we can have a nice story without making
Speaker 3: it like him or him type of thing.
Speaker 5: Do you do you have any tattoos?
Speaker 1: Stand?
Speaker 4: No, not like would you would you be could be
Speaker 4: be compelled to get one? I know Greg does No?
Speaker 2: I mean you guys too, You would turned into uh
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm in a biker bar when I
Speaker 2: step in here.
Speaker 1: Every time I look at you, guys, you have new.
Speaker 2: But uh uh no, I I've never had the urge
Speaker 2: quite not your body judgmental.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I hope you. I hope you have that opinion.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not no judging your way. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that you should have them. I just didn't know. I've
Speaker 4: not seen your entire.
Speaker 1: It would I mean you knew it.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be shocking if Dan was like, yeah, I've
Speaker 3: got a Taylor Swift on my lower back, that would
Speaker 3: be But I.
Speaker 1: Mean it could be something else.
Speaker 2: No, nothing yet, but open minded if something really strikes me.
Speaker 1: Yep, good, All right.
Speaker 3: Shout out to that listener who had to heed the call,
Speaker 3: uh tattoo in a similar spot.
Speaker 1: Is matching me? You're right. All that photo.
Speaker 3: In London that was even the font I think was similar.
Speaker 3: I have like the typewriter fond he didn't go all
Speaker 3: caps like me. It's pretty similar.
Speaker 1: Did you a little annoyed actually sneaking like, hey, that's
Speaker 1: my ipe.
Speaker 3: No, we've seen for many listeners that have heed the
Speaker 3: call tattoos and I it's on one of the things
Speaker 3: that gives me like the most amount of joy in
Speaker 3: thinking about Chris seeing those out there.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Greg was not going to let you turn in that
Speaker 4: into something they're did so just a nice try that
Speaker 4: you're weird. The Sunday Night Football check it out.
Speaker 6: On three Hurts takes the gun, goes to game well,
Speaker 6: game well, spins.
Speaker 18: Pigs down not to be denied, jinny game Weell takes
Speaker 18: this thing off the left and he gets hit on
Speaker 18: about the two yard lines, but he smells paper.
Speaker 1: I spin, he keeps his balance and he's into the
Speaker 1: in jone like, that's what they call a cartwheel? He
Speaker 1: caught wheeled at the end zone. Is that a cartwheel?
Speaker 1: That was a cartwheel? Well, yeah, you know he's just
Speaker 1: about to say that.
Speaker 2: Merril reeson Mike Quick, we're a great batman and Robin
Speaker 2: there and then Merril comes in with the cartwheel.
Speaker 3: Wasn't a cartwheels like a Spinnerama, Spinnerama.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'll I could run with Spinnerama anyway. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was a nice short touchdown run by Kennethan Gainwell,
Speaker 2: and the Philadelphia Eagles use a strong second half to
Speaker 2: take care of business thirty one seventeen at home over
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins. So the Eagles moved to six and one,
Speaker 2: proving to three and zero at home and you know,
Speaker 2: putting some of that bad bad blood of the week
Speaker 2: six loss to the Jets to bed and Greg is
Speaker 2: a great finish for this team because after a pick
Speaker 2: six by Hurts in the third quarter, it's seventeen seventeen,
Speaker 2: and then Philly did what a true Super Bowl contender
Speaker 2: does against another big time opponent.
Speaker 1: They just took control.
Speaker 3: I think this was a major step forward for the
Speaker 3: Eagles to get this to five and one to six
Speaker 3: and one, rather because they checked a lot of boxes.
Speaker 3: Neither of these teams had really played quality opposition. If
Speaker 3: you look at the five wins the Dolphins had against
Speaker 3: soft teams. The one time they played another good team,
Speaker 3: they got smoked. Philadelphia comes into this game and they
Speaker 3: know they're catching the Dolphins at the right time. Zavian
Speaker 3: Howard is out, the offensive line is injured, they lose
Speaker 3: Isaiah Win right off the bat, and they looked like
Speaker 3: the better team. But I think it's a box check
Speaker 3: for Sean Decai, their defensive coordinator was just kind of
Speaker 3: learning on the job. Who comes up with a really
Speaker 3: good game plan. It's a box check for their defensive line.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna make all that money, let's get after
Speaker 3: the quarterback, who's the hardest to get after in the league.
Speaker 1: And they did.
Speaker 3: They hit him six times to a got rid of
Speaker 3: the ball quickly, plenty, but they got after him. And
Speaker 3: then Jalen Hurts, who's been a different player this year,
Speaker 3: but I think this game was emblematica that like, his
Speaker 3: highs are higher and he has way more lows. He
Speaker 3: already has more turnovers this year than he had all
Speaker 3: of last year. Whoa, but the highs are pretty damn special.
Speaker 3: And that that forty two yarder to A. J. Brown
Speaker 3: was great? The throw on the run? What was it
Speaker 3: on the third down? Was that also to Brown in
Speaker 3: the first half fort to DeVonta Smith, Like he made
Speaker 3: some really special plays in this game, and that was
Speaker 3: more than enough to get the win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a crazy stat about her. It's the
Speaker 1: ten turnovers versus eight. Yep, it's week seven. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2: You Another way to put it is he's been more
Speaker 2: inconsistent than a year ago, and tonight though he after
Speaker 2: that picks when the games looked like it could potentially
Speaker 2: slip away, the offense kind of put it together and
Speaker 2: took care of business. And I think this was a
Speaker 2: performance that on two sides, the Eagles where we're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out, you know, who they are and whether
Speaker 2: these issues on offense are serious issues or just a
Speaker 2: team that's still relatively early in the season and figuring
Speaker 2: themselves out with a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: On the Dolphins side.
Speaker 2: I think it's a very real it's a very fair
Speaker 2: thing to ask Greg that you know, there's no doubting
Speaker 2: that this is a special offense when things are humming.
Speaker 2: But once again, now it was to the Bills in
Speaker 2: Week four and now the Eagles here in Week seven
Speaker 2: when it was time to really ball out against a
Speaker 2: big time team, they don't really show up twenty points
Speaker 2: against the Bills, seventeen against the Eagles, and questions will
Speaker 2: persist about whether they are able to be the team
Speaker 2: they need to be when it matters against the opponents
Speaker 2: when they stepp But they got They got the Chiefs
Speaker 2: in two weeks, by.
Speaker 1: The way, in Germany.
Speaker 3: That's a big time game for NFL network getting one
Speaker 3: of the games of the year out.
Speaker 1: Then dust, it's not too late, schedule makers, look a flight.
Speaker 3: Look the Dolphins got twelve first downs in this game. Now,
Speaker 3: now they they are a team that gets a lot
Speaker 3: of chunk plays, and but tonight Sean Desaia, as they mentioned,
Speaker 3: did a good job even though they gave up a
Speaker 3: lot of throws over the middle. Tyreek Hill has along
Speaker 3: a twenty seven Cedric Wilson as a twenty nine waddle
Speaker 3: doesn't get anything over sixteen. They prevented the big plays.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins are unlikely to be one of the great
Speaker 3: offenses of all time. That's a ridiculous bar to go after.
Speaker 3: Can they be the best offense in the NFL this year?
Speaker 3: Like they can, But you need to be better than
Speaker 3: twelve first downs two hundred and forty four yards on
Speaker 3: a day where I know your Dolphins fans are gonna
Speaker 3: point out like, look, we're missing toront Armstead. News flash,
Speaker 3: You're always missing Toront Armstead. Like he's he's out for
Speaker 3: half the season. Every almost every season.
Speaker 1: Every team is missing key guys every week.
Speaker 3: And that's part of Armstead and then said win gets
Speaker 3: hurt and so can you work around it. I thought
Speaker 3: Tua made some really special throws in this play. I
Speaker 3: mean they could have been smoked in this game. It
Speaker 3: actually in a different scenario, like it could have not
Speaker 3: been closer. He had a great third and nine in
Speaker 3: the first quarter which saved them near the goal line.
Speaker 3: He also had a third and eighteen late in the
Speaker 3: second quarter which was just an absolute dime and they
Speaker 3: end up getting a touchdown right before the half in
Speaker 3: part because of that third eighteen, but he was not
Speaker 3: convincing otherwise. And to me, the biggest play of the
Speaker 3: entire game was he leaves one up for grabs that
Speaker 3: Darius slay picks off, just left it in the air
Speaker 3: too long. At first it looks like a touchdown. Then
Speaker 3: it very well could have been a pass interferre and
Speaker 3: so they got a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of a linebacker just railroads the receiver.
Speaker 3: And then slayh intercepts it and it was almost like
Speaker 3: the official got distracted by the interception. But either way,
Speaker 3: just the timing was just a little bit off, and
Speaker 3: this whole thing of like to a MVP, it's like,
Speaker 3: you gotta play better in the bigger games, and he
Speaker 3: didn't play bad in this game, but they weren't enough.
Speaker 3: Like the best part of this game were the two
Speaker 3: Philly Lions. Like they've been the last two seasons, they
Speaker 3: are the dominant force in the NFC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a thirty eight who drops a gorgeous bucket
Speaker 2: pass TD to Tyreek Hill who runs through bracketed coverage
Speaker 2: and again it just showed with thirty nine seconds to
Speaker 2: play in the half.
Speaker 1: That just shows you how different he is.
Speaker 2: But Tyreek Hill also had a huge drop that would
Speaker 2: have been a back pocket touchdown that they lose that
Speaker 2: and then a blown up call by the officials on
Speaker 2: the next play, a no call on a fourth down
Speaker 2: pass turns.
Speaker 1: The ball over. Now they get the picks.
Speaker 2: Football gods step in and go, oh oh, pump the brakes.
Speaker 2: There pick six right after that, so things kind of
Speaker 2: get evened out there. But in general, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: kind of to me when I was thinking about the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: They just have to take their game to a higher
Speaker 2: level because they're built right now from a if you're
Speaker 2: someone who's doubting them, like you are gonna run up
Speaker 2: You're just gonna run.
Speaker 1: Up the score against these bad teams.
Speaker 2: But we're now seeing maybe a trend here of them
Speaker 2: getting punched in the mouth against bigger opponents.
Speaker 1: So you know, yes, the AFC was it though? The
Speaker 1: AFC East is it a little bit interesting? Oh, you
Speaker 1: were enjoying this one. You did not want your enough?
Speaker 3: What so the Jets so we got they got a
Speaker 3: break here by the from the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Your your buddies, The Patriots helped them out today.
Speaker 2: My buddies, the Patriots. Yes, they they knock off the Bills.
Speaker 2: So the Bills are now four and three. Dolphins fall,
Speaker 2: so they're five and two, and the Jets on by
Speaker 2: pick up a half game out both teams at three
Speaker 2: and three. Very interesting. I still, I mean, who is
Speaker 2: the favorite in this division? I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess Miami. I'm not shaken that much by This
Speaker 2: is a tough spot to go on the road on
Speaker 2: Sunday night. After the loss that the Eagles had, it
Speaker 2: felt like it was kind of stacked against them.
Speaker 1: With Armstead out, they could not get the running game going.
Speaker 1: At all.
Speaker 2: They had negative eight rushing yards the Dolphins in the
Speaker 2: first quarter, which is their worst since twenty thirteen. So
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, it was kind of up
Speaker 2: uphill climb for them. A tough game. But I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not hitting the panic button. Put it that way.
Speaker 3: I think the Bills are still the favorites, but they're
Speaker 3: one and two in the division with losses to the
Speaker 3: Jets and the Patriots, so it is a straight It
Speaker 3: is a strange season. The Dolphins have to feel good
Speaker 3: that they have a game, a couple games in the
Speaker 3: lost call or a game in the lost callum in hand.
Speaker 3: But they got smoked by the Bills. And an interesting
Speaker 3: thing happened today, just standings in general, including the Patriots.
Speaker 3: All these one win teams won dan The Patriots got
Speaker 3: their second win, the Broncos got their second win, the
Speaker 3: Giants got their second win, the Bears got their second win.
Speaker 3: So as you know, if you're the Bears, your hat,
Speaker 3: your loving life that you own that Panthers draft pick.
Speaker 3: That's a nice solid number one the Cardinals. But just
Speaker 3: big picture, like a lot of these teams at the
Speaker 3: bottom got win.
Speaker 2: Parody like a python around pray even tighter. It's grip
Speaker 2: on the NFL. Two last things for me, once again,
Speaker 2: the third and short, fourth and short set up for
Speaker 2: the Eagles is beyond flawless. I will say one thing
Speaker 2: and you listen to me. Eagles fans, Philadelphia people, sports
Speaker 2: fans who have a very it's very nice time to
Speaker 2: be alive in Philadelphia. Is a sports fan with the
Speaker 2: Phillies and the Eagles. You don't get it. No, it's
Speaker 2: not brother Lee Shove. You don't get it. I know
Speaker 2: you want it to be brother lyshev, but it's the
Speaker 2: toush push and you gotta live with that. That's the
Speaker 2: name that history will remember it by.
Speaker 1: You have you noticed this. They're trying to make it
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to change the name because they don't think
Speaker 2: that's a cool name, like brother Lee show Off.
Speaker 1: That's a cool name. You don't get it.
Speaker 3: I'd like that the NBC tried to split the difference
Speaker 3: in on the graphic tonight. They say they were four
Speaker 3: for four on the QB push play. It was like
Speaker 3: nobody wins there, that's but they were four for four.
Speaker 3: It's remarkable how many situations they are in like that.
Speaker 3: And you know they go for it. They had to
Speaker 3: take a time out because Sirianni changed his mind. Thought
Speaker 3: better if it was gonna punt it away in a
Speaker 3: one score game.
Speaker 1: Right, that was bizarre.
Speaker 3: Midway through the fourth quarter. Well, it's not that bizarre
Speaker 3: because they're on their own twenty five.
Speaker 1: It's not that much earlier.
Speaker 2: But the thinking going on in the NFL anymore, it's
Speaker 2: all data driven, right, But no one eighty two verse
Speaker 2: seventy nine percent win probability to go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I go for it.
Speaker 3: I disagree because I think thirty one other teams would
Speaker 3: have punted that, or maybe like twenty nine other teams.
Speaker 3: But because they have this superhuman play that could never
Speaker 3: be stopped. Uh, they do it and no one else
Speaker 3: can do it. Push push, It is the tush push.
Speaker 3: And then they go on these long drives. It's been
Speaker 3: an inconsistent offense, but man, they go on these long drives.
Speaker 1: I got another thing. You had a second thing.
Speaker 2: Well my second thing, real quick, is that No, you
Speaker 2: do your thing, and then I'll do one more.
Speaker 3: I just want Eric to look remind me who won
Speaker 3: the lockoff tonight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the bad form by Sessler, like he said,
Speaker 2: he had he had something to take care.
Speaker 1: Of this morning.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no problem, because it's a long
Speaker 2: season and we got different things in our lives. But
Speaker 2: I had forgot that there was a lockoff. You can't
Speaker 2: abandon your post. You can't abandon your post on a lockoff.
Speaker 3: No, And I mean he's a Bannon post in these
Speaker 3: lock standings. I think he's he's three back. He needed this?
Speaker 1: Did he do it? Was there more to it?
Speaker 2: Remember the Kaiser SoSE Sessler that we discovered in the
Speaker 2: draft few weeks back. Did he get bad vibes about
Speaker 2: how this game would turn out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Does that explain your opinion? He is not thrilled.
Speaker 3: I know from hearing from him even before this game
Speaker 3: started that he jumped out of his Browns lock never
Speaker 3: jump out of there. But maybe it was bald o't LII.
Speaker 3: You know he's not here for the lockoff and baldon't
Speaker 3: line I got.
Speaker 1: I have to say.
Speaker 2: I disgusts me to say it, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you're in a little bit of a groove in the
Speaker 2: locks right now, and I don't feel overly confident. In fact,
Speaker 2: I'm almost ready to kind of call oh, this is
Speaker 2: because there's no way at this point that we're going
Speaker 2: to catch you, because you're.
Speaker 3: Just this is like, oh, break out the locks playbook
Speaker 3: from Dan. It's like, once he falls two back, he
Speaker 3: breaks out this old canard, give me a break last one.
Speaker 2: And maybe this is me showing my age, But is
Speaker 2: it just me or all these eighties throwback uniforms better
Speaker 2: than all the current ones, like every team. I saw
Speaker 2: it with the Giants today, I see it with the Jets,
Speaker 2: I see with the Eagles tonight.
Speaker 1: They're just they're pretty, they're.
Speaker 3: Nice, wells are particularly beautiful. They're among my favorite uniforms
Speaker 3: in sports history.
Speaker 2: Tell me one rand that's been that's popped up recently
Speaker 2: that you're like, oh, that's that's not an upgrade over
Speaker 2: what they usually wear.
Speaker 1: The Patriots, pat Patriot that's better. Well those?
Speaker 3: How about those bumblebee uniforms by the Steelers. But that
Speaker 3: was like throwing it back to like the four. Now,
Speaker 3: that's that was ridiculous. That's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: I'm talking Yeah, I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Those in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, it's you know, everything's cyclical. All right, that's good,
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a while though Cold.
Speaker 2: Sessler will be there for that. I bet uh so
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