Speaker 1: We had problems that people just didn't understand us. We
Speaker 1: didn't fit what they expected or what they assumed what
Speaker 1: a real gangster or real whatever the cases in their
Speaker 1: head should look like. And I always say I'm not
Speaker 1: a gangster. I would say if a gangster could never
Speaker 1: be a hustler, a cancer could never be a businessman,
Speaker 1: because did they have that mentality and that would never work.
Speaker 1: That's why there's just so many field hustlers or drug
Speaker 1: dealers are businessmen in prison? You know, you try to
Speaker 1: pick up two things that are never gonna work.
Speaker 2: And I'm Charlie Webster. This is surviving Old Chapel. The
Speaker 2: twins who brought down a troubled Season two now on
Speaker 2: their own in prisons at opposite ends of the country.
Speaker 2: After the Billboard incident, the Flora twins had to learn
Speaker 2: to be independent of one another.
Speaker 3: What was it like being separated from Pete?
Speaker 1: It was one of the difficult terms I think I
Speaker 1: ever had to go through in prison. For a long time,
Speaker 1: I just wasn't used to it. Like and I said
Speaker 1: to be man, when am I gonna see my brother again?
Speaker 3: Not I'm being involved in his life, letting go of the.
Speaker 1: Fact that I wasn't going to have him anymore, and
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, I have to just try to like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this on my own. You know, that
Speaker 1: was like a big step, I think, you know. And
Speaker 1: it took me years for me to understand that I
Speaker 1: didn't have that person next to me. And then you're
Speaker 1: in prison, right, and I think everyone handles things differently,
Speaker 1: has a different settuation.
Speaker 3: To me, this was a big deal. How I didn't
Speaker 3: have much a brother, my person that I was you.
Speaker 1: Know, with before I was born, before I understand anything,
Speaker 1: and in.
Speaker 3: Prison supposed to be hard, I get it, but.
Speaker 1: It just it did change in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: where I felt the depression.
Speaker 3: Probably I felt.
Speaker 1: Like I could feel myself just like where something was missing.
Speaker 1: Their entire lives, Pet and Jay had one another to
Speaker 1: rely and depend on, but now if they were going
Speaker 1: to survive in prison, they had to learn how to
Speaker 1: be more like each other. I had to learn to
Speaker 1: like be on my own and average here for myself
Speaker 1: in different ways for all the different things that we
Speaker 1: were going through and in prison. You know, in prison,
Speaker 1: now I'm by myself, and you get put in a
Speaker 1: bunch of different situations where you know, I just started
Speaker 1: becoming a little bit more confident, I guess, and then
Speaker 1: over time it didn't make me a little bit stronger.
Speaker 1: I started to realize how we had kind of handicapped
Speaker 1: each other, and I started to like I had to
Speaker 1: like kind of fill in the part that was missing
Speaker 1: I guess on my own and the part that he
Speaker 1: kind of like brought on. It took learning. It took,
Speaker 1: you know, just learning and really thinking about what that was.
Speaker 3: And for instance, like my.
Speaker 1: Brother's negativity, I couldn't always be so positive. Now I
Speaker 1: had to like kind of adjust and you know, be
Speaker 1: more like cam, Like what would peep think about any situation?
Speaker 1: But I started to realize different things as well.
Speaker 3: Was that being with my brother for so long and
Speaker 3: us having.
Speaker 1: Going through the same hardships or life lessons or life
Speaker 1: made us understand a lot of things in the same way.
Speaker 1: Even though we had different views, we were able to
Speaker 1: communicate in a way where we just look at each
Speaker 1: other and be like we understood each other, Like that
Speaker 1: was fine.
Speaker 3: And I started to with that. People be lost sometimes
Speaker 3: talking to me like what did you say?
Speaker 2: So you've even got to like relearn how to communicate
Speaker 2: in a way. As we've said before in this podcast,
Speaker 2: and as I'm sure you've noticed, the brothers sometimes talk
Speaker 2: as well. Even now after all this time apart, they
Speaker 2: still finish each other sent I know exactly what the
Speaker 2: other is thinking. Many twins feel like they have some
Speaker 2: kind of telepathic ability or sixth sense between themselves and
Speaker 2: their sibling, So you can imagine what it must have
Speaker 2: been like for Pete and j Jay had to learn
Speaker 2: how to communicate on his own pretty quickly, because if
Speaker 2: he didn't, it was going to cause trouble.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you go to prison, it's going
Speaker 1: to be different, right, You're gonna get away from that
Speaker 1: life and you're going to be around you know, it's
Speaker 1: supposed to like make a difference. And here I am
Speaker 1: transferred to a new prison and I get put in
Speaker 1: this out. I was supposed to be alone, and then
Speaker 1: they came like, oh, you're going to have a sally
Speaker 1: make room. He should be here any minute, I guess.
Speaker 1: I look, Oh my god, I know, isn't he doesn't
Speaker 1: you know me? I'm like, yeah, I had a young brother.
Speaker 2: The Ariano Cartel, also known as the Tijuana Cartel, was
Speaker 2: at the time one of the Cineloa Cartel's biggest rivals.
Speaker 2: They attempted to assassinate El Chapo and Mayo multiple times.
Speaker 2: The Ariano brothers founded and led the Ariano Cartel, and
Speaker 2: Jay's new cell mate was the youngest of the brothers,
Speaker 2: Francisco Ariano.
Speaker 3: And he looked at me. He was like, then you
Speaker 3: do know me, and you're not supposed to each other.
Speaker 1: We're not supposed to each other, but we're you know,
Speaker 1: and here we are being Sally's and I used to
Speaker 1: you know, we started talking a little bit like wow,
Speaker 1: look at us.
Speaker 3: We're hearing this like we're in the South together. And any.
Speaker 1: If you knew anything about me before when we were
Speaker 1: in Mexico, you would have had no problem just.
Speaker 3: Killing me.
Speaker 1: And here we are, and we always woul laugh about
Speaker 1: those t kind of things like and it was funny
Speaker 1: to him because he never met someone like who spoke English,
Speaker 1: who like and then knew a lot of the same
Speaker 1: people he knew. And here I am with Chapel's biggest rival.
Speaker 1: And the head was out already on ocur to being
Speaker 1: my Sully and turning into this friend of mine.
Speaker 3: And it was training for.
Speaker 1: Him because he didn't understand the culture right, the politics
Speaker 1: of prison. So there was a lot of times where
Speaker 1: I had to like kind of just use my influence
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, stop hold on, he doesn't know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know any better just because it's prison, and
Speaker 1: and uh yeah it was you know, we will save
Speaker 1: stories and was it we just got really c I
Speaker 1: think that people would be taken back, like hold on,
Speaker 1: did he just say that ran brother?
Speaker 3: Yes, brother who was swore they were like torn in
Speaker 3: me for you know, carte or top of my.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't like to me, I wasn't invested in
Speaker 1: those type of like politics, but me being part of
Speaker 1: the cartev for sure.
Speaker 3: Didn't know who you were. Did end? I didn't bring
Speaker 3: it up. I didn't bring it up at first.
Speaker 1: This was early on, so as I started to kind
Speaker 1: of talk to him, he would kind of look at
Speaker 1: me and like maybe two three years into me being
Speaker 1: with him a lot, and I think I would share
Speaker 1: stories like like stories about Mexico, but never really like
Speaker 1: like you don't want to like seem like you're bragging.
Speaker 1: And one time he told me, hey, Twin, you know
Speaker 1: they say that you used to like do this and
Speaker 1: do that for top of my own like, but he
Speaker 1: I used to tell him that I knew them and
Speaker 1: I knew certain people, and he was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: for the longest time, I just never believed you, and
Speaker 1: it bothered me that I thought you were full of shit.
Speaker 1: You know, he's real, honest, he said. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if I still believe it, but I'm starting to
Speaker 1: kind of understand. He was more curious about the way
Speaker 1: I was raised and where I come from to how
Speaker 1: I made it there. Yeah, and I guess that's everyone's
Speaker 1: my curiosity. The good thing is that, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a family man. You know, I was feminized who were
Speaker 1: kind of there for each other, and two hard times
Speaker 1: I was there when his brother was murdered, and I
Speaker 1: was there for him as well. So it was like
Speaker 1: one of those things where he would always be like,
Speaker 1: I never met someone like you like that you could
Speaker 1: just be honest and just open. He would be like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good idea for you have
Speaker 1: pictures of your family, especially not of your wife, because
Speaker 1: then you have different people come in and they're like
Speaker 1: looking at your family.
Speaker 3: I used to be like, they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Look anyway, Like it's okay, just bringing him up to
Speaker 1: like culture, and I always trying to show him things
Speaker 1: that he picked up because of me. He picked up
Speaker 1: starting to play basketball, so we used to love playing basketball.
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete for sure. Soccer player. He actually
Speaker 1: made me play soccer and I.
Speaker 3: Never like played soccer.
Speaker 1: I remember even when I started playing chess. When I
Speaker 1: got there, he gave me his motivation because I just
Speaker 1: had started playing just and I'll get aggravated because you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't good. And I remember he told me, he
Speaker 1: said that I know if you put your mind to this,
Speaker 1: he said, no one will be to you.
Speaker 3: And he said that he kind of sparked something and
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, he's.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think for five years I dedicated myself
Speaker 1: to like chess and like learning it and just taking
Speaker 1: earl in and understanding my mistakes and I would just
Speaker 1: you know, I dedicate a lot of time to it.
Speaker 1: Sammy the Ball was one of the first ones. I
Speaker 1: sat there and he was like, you know this piece
Speaker 1: does this.
Speaker 3: You know, yep, you heard that right.
Speaker 2: Sammy the Bull, the same Sammy the Bull whose cooperation
Speaker 2: against mafia boss John Gotti was the very thing that
Speaker 2: inspired Jay to convince his brother to turn their lives
Speaker 2: around and cooperate in the first place.
Speaker 3: So he'd sit youkw did show you reach? Yeah, like
Speaker 3: Richie and he left the game with Chest too.
Speaker 2: It may seem far fetched, but both Jay and Pete
Speaker 2: ended up spending time with Sammy the Ball in prison.
Speaker 2: Pete would later spend years as sam of the balls
Speaker 2: cell mate. Some of the Ball even tried to extort
Speaker 2: Pete at one point.
Speaker 1: So I'm with Cartel figures, a lot of big, major ones.
Speaker 1: I'm with Italian bosses. Sami the Ball, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the persons that kind of planted the seed in
Speaker 1: my head of you know what was going to kind
Speaker 1: of take the you know, my life right and my
Speaker 1: decision in a way, and.
Speaker 3: Then you ended up in prison with him. Yeah, really ironic.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was a good friend of mine. He was
Speaker 1: able to teach me now to learn, you know, I
Speaker 1: learned how to play board games in prison. I grew
Speaker 1: up differently. I never played board games. I never knew
Speaker 1: how to play a card game. I used to use
Speaker 1: them chess analogies, and I didn't even know what it
Speaker 1: meant to be honest, life is like a game of chess,
Speaker 1: and so I started playing, said, oh shit, life is
Speaker 1: like a game of chess.
Speaker 3: Reveral cancer business.
Speaker 2: Playing chess is very common in prison. It helps build
Speaker 2: critical thinking skills as well as strategy and patience. It's
Speaker 2: so popular that there are international chess tournaments for prisoners.
Speaker 2: Both Pete and Jay became passionate chess players. They even
Speaker 2: showed off their chess skills to me while we were
Speaker 2: all in the safe house. Chess also helps to keep prisoners'
Speaker 2: minds occupied, but there's more to do in prison than
Speaker 2: just play chess. Being a part meant the twins were
Speaker 2: able to find their own voices. Pete took every class
Speaker 2: available and even led his own Bible study class after
Speaker 2: he found God.
Speaker 1: You know, I participated in every educational program at the
Speaker 1: prison offic like every program you think about. Participated and
Speaker 1: I had like I have a certificates, like you know,
Speaker 1: a thousand certificates and classes I took and things I did.
Speaker 1: And not only did I do that, I help, you know,
Speaker 1: teach classes. I took courses to help tutor and you know,
Speaker 1: and do you know e s l like English classes
Speaker 1: and and all kinds of stuff I didn't. I run
Speaker 1: the Bible study for years.
Speaker 3: I did all that. Can you tell us submit the
Speaker 3: courses that he took h.
Speaker 4: Fat you know, CDL thing and real estate classes, psychology classes,
Speaker 4: mental health preparation and self help perchane leather class, parenting,
Speaker 4: I mean, carpentry, whatever they offered.
Speaker 3: You know, I was participating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't feel like a waste of time, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I like to learn new things.
Speaker 2: Jay also started his own class, but it wasn't a
Speaker 2: Bible study. He created a self help class with his
Speaker 2: own curriculum.
Speaker 1: I decided to start teaching them like a self help
Speaker 1: class and strengthening your thoughts and your mind and the
Speaker 1: way you stink, your mindset and how you perceived and
Speaker 1: how you look at things. In a extra permission to
Speaker 1: teach a class, you had to go through the through
Speaker 1: the whole, like fill out paperwork.
Speaker 3: I had to do a curriculum. I head to all that, and.
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I actually would askally, like list,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a class like next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like having sixty people.
Speaker 2: And there was another class he had a handle or
Speaker 2: maybe I should say foot in getting starts it.
Speaker 3: So there's a guy in prison, older man.
Speaker 1: He was always moving and he's bothering me and always
Speaker 1: like I see him step like.
Speaker 3: Like he might be like hey and just come in
Speaker 3: dancing and look really like like like nice. And I
Speaker 3: was like, you think of the Joe said, hey, Joe,
Speaker 3: would you teach me how to dance? So so? And
Speaker 3: he's like, sure, I'll teach you. He thought about it first,
Speaker 3: like I'm like, but I'm stiff, you want to? I said,
Speaker 3: what do you want her? And he said, I'll teacher.
Speaker 3: I'm a teacher. So he like and he thinks I'm
Speaker 3: playing like he thinks like, yeah, let me know. I'm like, no, okay.
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't tell anyone because I knew I was
Speaker 3: gonna hear. So we go.
Speaker 1: And we had MP three players and we were like
Speaker 1: they would make these wires that you could hook up
Speaker 1: to like arrange your TV and you know, to play
Speaker 1: the sound then. So I had to kind of make
Speaker 1: arrangements so that everybody else feel like if there was
Speaker 1: a speaker going and it was a workout time, so
Speaker 1: I could kind of be like, hey, can I let
Speaker 1: me play this music?
Speaker 3: You know, like could you could you front on your headphones?
Speaker 1: Like I had to extra favors in order to happen,
Speaker 1: and sure enough he started teaching.
Speaker 3: We had that. So at first I was kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, it was a little bit. I was more
Speaker 3: nervous about being able to do it. And of course
Speaker 3: we're in prison.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of dudes like so for was a
Speaker 1: girl and you know, and at first it was like constant, constant,
Speaker 1: and at first like you puttering on the guard. See
Speaker 1: you guys feeling this.
Speaker 3: We have cameras, and then the guards would come in
Speaker 3: and be like, are you guys serious? There he go,
Speaker 3: guying by the hip and move your hip, whatever the case.
Speaker 3: And I'm always said, I'm always de sured myself. And
Speaker 3: next thing, you know, the jokes, the jokes, they start
Speaker 3: to giving up, just like they always know.
Speaker 1: But next thing you know, they're putting up chairs lucky
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, let me try.
Speaker 3: But it became a dance fan.
Speaker 1: The only thing that some guys even even you know,
Speaker 1: some guys got it fast.
Speaker 3: Let me tell it, took me sixty seven months to
Speaker 3: learn song.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you go so that I'll show off blade
Speaker 1: and there's other guys and like I'll be hey, hey,
Speaker 1: hold on, that's me and thank my teacher, the nicest
Speaker 1: one of the nicest, oldest men from Philly, and he
Speaker 1: really really nice, really nice guy, and he was patient
Speaker 1: with me and be like and he begs flim and
Speaker 1: whatever the case is. I always make fun of Him'll
Speaker 1: be like, well, well, how do you you know in
Speaker 1: the beginning, how do you touch her?
Speaker 3: How do you ever? And he's like, you got a
Speaker 3: firm she had a big butt. So I'll be like
Speaker 3: like this, how you like day? I'm not dry to
Speaker 3: be like, you know, whatever the case. So we were.
Speaker 1: It was a fun time, but it was six months
Speaker 1: and I had to do a lot of these actually
Speaker 1: put that together because we're in the visiting room, we're
Speaker 1: in prison.
Speaker 3: I had to get the right guard that knew me.
Speaker 1: And you know, when they know that you're there to
Speaker 1: do your time and like not to cause trouble, and
Speaker 1: you help like they respect that they're not going to
Speaker 1: give you a hard time. So you know, me taking
Speaker 1: my infantry to the visiting room was like, it's kind
Speaker 1: of bad, Like you can't do that.
Speaker 3: And he put the picture up.
Speaker 1: And you had to walk into a visiting room and
Speaker 1: there's a picture of a woman. It's not like it's
Speaker 1: just her in a wedding dresses valeries type of wedding dress,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: And you're lucky you didn't say breach of security. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So he.
Speaker 1: And we planned it out and I put on my three.
Speaker 3: I already had a plane.
Speaker 5: I walked in on my kiss and it was our anniversary,
Speaker 5: and he had somebody to do this big painting and
Speaker 5: they put it up on the wall and made my
Speaker 5: in my wedding picture, my wedding photo.
Speaker 3: There's a television in the visiting.
Speaker 5: Room, so they allowed him to plug up his MP
Speaker 5: three player. So he put on the Mark Anthony's song
Speaker 5: and it was Sausa and Jay didn't know how to
Speaker 5: dance alsa at all. When he put out my hand,
Speaker 5: my kids were just giggling. They were laughing. My daughter
Speaker 5: and my son they were laughing. They were cracking off.
Speaker 3: And he took me to dance. And the way he
Speaker 3: was leading me and the way he was dancing.
Speaker 5: Like I felt like I couldn't even keep up with him,
Speaker 5: like he was that good, like he was.
Speaker 3: Like a year.
Speaker 1: And then at first she was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And she was getting read and then she just we.
Speaker 3: Just danced some dance. I just followed because I'm up.
Speaker 1: Because he was like, we played the mark Anthony, can
Speaker 1: you remember what songs caed?
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: In bring my Confident.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, okay, can tell me don't ever
Speaker 3: take your eyes off of her and.
Speaker 1: He and it was like you stare.
Speaker 3: Laughing, my kid laughing, and they were they were so happy.
Speaker 6: They were like wow after I played song, and that's
Speaker 6: when it's yours.
Speaker 3: I didn't get in trouble one day for going overboard.
Speaker 3: It was for Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: I decided to make val They used to do cruseee
Speaker 1: like Teddy Bears, and I put like a Teddy Bear
Speaker 1: with a red heart with Jayanne. I made the biggest
Speaker 1: picture of our and I actually had them like airbush
Speaker 1: a background for Valentine Day, not just for me, but
Speaker 1: for everyone.
Speaker 3: And I closed up the busy room with.
Speaker 1: Or got me flowers and basis on every table for everyone.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking Valdiste's Day, it's control and yeah, they
Speaker 1: thought it was cute, they thought it was nice. They
Speaker 1: let me enjoy it, they let me like cover and
Speaker 1: then after that and then I got it for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I'm not going to go the time,
Speaker 3: who how I did it? You know, like at that time,
Speaker 3: But the cons like, oh what then you think you want?
Speaker 3: And how did you do that? How did you manage
Speaker 3: to pull it off? I'm like, just happened? All They're
Speaker 3: all right, you know what, Ha's just happened.
Speaker 1: Your room'll be shirking down, and I hope you don't
Speaker 1: have anything you have in there this contraband.
Speaker 3: You're gonna answer that. I went to my room.
Speaker 1: There was like two CEOs in my room just tearing
Speaker 1: it up. And one of them was a nice seal
Speaker 1: that I knew that I didn't have.
Speaker 3: To worry about. But one of them wasn't. And they
Speaker 3: gave me like five different signs like different.
Speaker 1: Contraband expecisively fact they want to put me to shoot,
Speaker 1: And thank god I.
Speaker 3: Had good prison attorneys and we beat this. We beat
Speaker 3: the stargesh.
Speaker 2: Jay wasn't the only romantic one. Pete sent flowers every
Speaker 2: Wednesday for the entire time he was in prison, and
Speaker 2: he learned yet another skill.
Speaker 3: He played the guitar.
Speaker 6: He taught himself how to play the guitar one song
Speaker 6: and one song, and he played it, and he played
Speaker 6: he played the guitar and sang me the song on
Speaker 6: the phone. And then and Grains of Rice he wrote
Speaker 6: down all the lyrics of the song.
Speaker 3: And a grain of rice.
Speaker 5: He wrote every single lyric, every word is the song
Speaker 5: and a grain of ice. How many grains of rice
Speaker 5: is that?
Speaker 3: It took months to do that, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was the Brian Brian Adams.
Speaker 3: So the theme song to Brave Part Brave Heart and
Speaker 3: thank You j.
Speaker 2: In the movies, you often get the perception that prison
Speaker 2: is survival of the fittest, hardened criminals, all fighting to
Speaker 2: be the top dog. In many ways, it mirrors the
Speaker 2: power dynamic of the cartel. But there's another side that
Speaker 2: we don't get to see or hear about as much,
Speaker 2: one that's full of Salza classes, Bible study, and even
Speaker 2: extravagant gestures like writing song lyrics on grains of rice.
Speaker 2: For Pete, it was his love for viv that kept
Speaker 2: him going, especially as the struggle of prison life really
Speaker 2: started to take its toll.
Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to should I got into
Speaker 1: some more trouble and you know the apology where you're going.
Speaker 3: They put me in a place where they're like, okay
Speaker 3: you and they.
Speaker 1: Targeted me you know, the constant like personal and just
Speaker 1: to show you who's in charge.
Speaker 3: And it was like it was just overwhelming. At times.
Speaker 1: They're literally like shake down my cell every other day,
Speaker 1: you know, and they'll count my pictures so you can't
Speaker 1: one in twenty five, you know.
Speaker 3: And the visits were horrible.
Speaker 1: It went from me being able to sit next to
Speaker 1: my family to them saying we're gonna sit across from
Speaker 1: each other like this, don't get up your chair, don't
Speaker 1: look and wear don't do nothing, you know, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't touch a kid, Like no, you're
Speaker 1: gonna sit in from the churre.
Speaker 3: You're canna talk and that's it.
Speaker 1: And they would cancel my visit quick like, oh, we
Speaker 1: have a bunch of people are expected to visit this week,
Speaker 1: so you cannot go out because you're the one that
Speaker 1: gets the most visits. And then the people want to
Speaker 1: show up and I'm like, can have my wife, No
Speaker 1: one's coming. No.
Speaker 2: The twins were under intense protection because there was such
Speaker 2: a valuable asset to the government, which meant the security
Speaker 2: surrounding visits was tight. They had to vet all visitors
Speaker 2: when they arrived, case of any association to them. Because
Speaker 2: of this, family, visits were often ended abruptly or just
Speaker 2: stopped all together.
Speaker 3: Then you go and they'll be like, well, there's another
Speaker 3: visitor coming there. You gotta get up.
Speaker 1: I gotta get off my chair, go to the bag
Speaker 1: and look out, you know, a two way window, like
Speaker 1: a two way mirror, and look at the new visitors
Speaker 1: coming in and okay, then clearing them. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't have no parts with them, like they
Speaker 1: I try to kill me.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have to check who they were in
Speaker 3: the case they recognized you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then I have to Now I'm good. But
Speaker 1: they'll take their time, and sometimes it was like constant.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: to my visit, and there was just so much for me.
Speaker 2: At this point, the Flora's twins have been in prison
Speaker 2: for six years and still didn't know how much longer
Speaker 2: they would have to stay there.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sentenced it, so it was six years in
Speaker 1: prisonage six years. Why did it take so long for
Speaker 1: you actually to get sent so I guess, I mean
Speaker 1: it's part of the you agreed to postpone your sentence.
Speaker 3: So the cases kind of finished.
Speaker 2: Their first six years were spent in limbo because they
Speaker 2: couldn't be sentenced until El Chapo was arrested. On the
Speaker 2: twenty second of February twenty fourteen, Mexican authorities conducted a
Speaker 2: series of raids on El Chapo's safe houses, which were
Speaker 2: protected by reinforced steel. Initially, he was able to escape
Speaker 2: through a tunnel underneath the hydraulic bathtub. He was tracked
Speaker 2: to a hotel in Mazatlan, a beachside town on the
Speaker 2: Pacific coast of Mexico, where he was hiding with his family,
Speaker 2: a bodyguard, his chef, and his babysitter. Three minutes after
Speaker 2: the raid on the hotel began, El Chapo was in custody.
Speaker 2: What did it feel like when he knew Chapo was
Speaker 2: first arrested.
Speaker 3: I couldn't relid myself. H it was so real. I
Speaker 3: was shocked, just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: I remember being shocked and then kind of like like
Speaker 1: first time, I was like, well, this wasn't for nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, like this wasn't for anything, Like this is
Speaker 1: like this is There's gonna be more to this. Instantly,
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be more to this, Like it's not
Speaker 1: just me just you know here in prison, which was
Speaker 1: kind of scary. At the same time, I was in.
Speaker 3: The visiting room room. Man, I was on my.
Speaker 1: I was on my visit and they came in and
Speaker 1: like terminated my visit like kind of randomly, like.
Speaker 3: You know, really, and they they aksed me, what did
Speaker 3: you say? They they are?
Speaker 1: They approached, like three seals approached and they opened the
Speaker 1: door and they and it was me and a man
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're probably the only ones in
Speaker 1: the small visiting room at the time.
Speaker 3: They approached me.
Speaker 1: They say, you know, I'm sorry, but your you know,
Speaker 1: visit has ended and we need you to come with us.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what they do. We're sitting across
Speaker 3: on the table like.
Speaker 1: I as soon as I came to like the door
Speaker 1: that she was like and they just caught chappels.
Speaker 3: You said that to you? The correction officer, the seal
Speaker 3: comes and he like, they just caught chapel. Man, did
Speaker 3: they say do.
Speaker 2: You like that?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like they really kind of nonchalant, yeah, like and
Speaker 3: you know, he was like wait. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: they keep the fuck out there here, like for real.
Speaker 1: The whole prison was going on lockdown, like they didn't
Speaker 1: understand why, but they locked us down like that was
Speaker 1: escorted straight to my son.
Speaker 3: Were locked down for the.
Speaker 1: Next two or three days, and I guess they felt
Speaker 1: like that the prisoners were like, you know, like getting rowdy,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in the in the main units of
Speaker 1: this maximum security prison, you know, so in order to
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, calm, they just prevent the measures.
Speaker 3: They just locked everyone down.
Speaker 1: And I remember like being able to watch the news
Speaker 1: on TV and just like being shocked, like and they
Speaker 1: never thought they'd.
Speaker 3: Catch 'em alive, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, it was one of those moments where it
Speaker 1: was on every channel, especially like the Spanish news.
Speaker 3: They interrupted all the broadcasts.
Speaker 1: What key it Jazman.
Speaker 3: The maximusa.
Speaker 2: Mexican no deficient beginian who say that you're tuning the
Speaker 2: DS metros for Locas.
Speaker 1: Plan, you know, and they, you know, they're showing different
Speaker 1: parts of the story, and it's weird to see like
Speaker 1: your face come up in those news, you know, Breeze,
Speaker 1: and when they talk about the case and the magnitude
Speaker 1: of his you know, drug dealings and.
Speaker 3: And everything he had you know done in the history,
Speaker 3: in his whole history, you know, and.
Speaker 1: It was just one of those moments you just feels surreal,
Speaker 1: like I just didn't believe it, you know, and I questioned,
Speaker 1: you know, what was next for us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they moved the sentence me and my brother.
Speaker 1: In that year after he was captured, they started to
Speaker 1: talking about us getting a sentence, like towards the end
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 3: I think it was in their point of view that
Speaker 3: they didn't think that.
Speaker 1: Chapel was the government was ever going to extra day,
Speaker 1: So I guess they felt like, why, you know, keep
Speaker 1: making his way. So my sentencing day was set for
Speaker 1: January twenty seventh, twenty fifteen, that they would be, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing the judge and he would be decided.
Speaker 3: My faith and me and my brother were separated. It
Speaker 3: wasn't be the first time I seen him.
Speaker 2: El Chapo was captured in February twenty fourteen, but there
Speaker 2: was no guarantee that the Mexican government would ever extradite him,
Speaker 2: so the twin centencing was arranged for the twenty seventh
Speaker 2: of January twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: So when did you next see each other after that moment?
Speaker 1: We've seen each other in suw thousand and fifteen January
Speaker 1: twenty six.
Speaker 3: We got sent the twins. It was kind of like
Speaker 3: five years later, remember.
Speaker 1: Thinking that we're gonna go get sentenced, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's we're nervous for our situation. We're like, it's a
Speaker 1: really stressful time for us. We've been to so much
Speaker 1: and really we're like, this is really going to.
Speaker 3: Determine our future.
Speaker 1: And our wives been waiting so long, the kids, you know,
Speaker 1: we're thinking that, you know, guy are willing, you know,
Speaker 1: we want to go on.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. We want a long wait, you know, and
Speaker 3: playing and simple.
Speaker 2: The twins were in separate parts of the country and
Speaker 2: they both had to get to Chicago to be sentenced.
Speaker 2: The government sent a private jet to escort them. Jay
Speaker 2: was the first one to be picked up, then Pete.
Speaker 2: They were both shackled for the journey.
Speaker 1: The next day, the Marsh's coming and when they moved
Speaker 1: you when they move someone with my brother and I
Speaker 1: they come like with you know, fifteen of their special force,
Speaker 1: you know, marshals or whoever their contractors are.
Speaker 3: Like, and they come to get you, and I remember
Speaker 3: it was very cold, it was snowing. They end driving
Speaker 3: me like.
Speaker 1: Literally ten minutes away to the little airport. I'm parking
Speaker 1: a hangar and I'm sitting there.
Speaker 3: And I can hear them talking. You know, I'm shackled,
Speaker 3: you know, been in the over the last three days
Speaker 3: and not feeling good. You know, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there. I can hear them saying, Warlock
Speaker 1: one to Warlock two.
Speaker 2: We're approaching the sentencing will be their first public court
Speaker 2: appearance since they were taken into custody. Pete and Jay
Speaker 2: hadn't seen each other for five years.
Speaker 3: They're waiting for the plane to land, and he kept saying,
Speaker 3: more like one to where I to. My brother's on
Speaker 3: the plane. Almost plasitive share she's on the plane.
Speaker 1: I can't ask them, so almost the plane, you know,
Speaker 1: I could see the plane getting rid of the land.
Speaker 1: We're sitting like in the hangar. I could see the
Speaker 1: plane approaching the private plane. I know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: taking forever, like the land to spin around. But I remember,
Speaker 1: like they pull up and I'm sitting in the in
Speaker 1: the in the truck stuff, and I see the mill
Speaker 1: pull the doors open, and when they tell me come on,
Speaker 1: I rush out. Can I remember, I'm just looking down
Speaker 1: trying to peek over at the corner, and I just
Speaker 1: see it as a great squats and it shows you know.
Speaker 3: And brother was staying there.
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