Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltyest Charge Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen
Speaker 1: and I am the host as always, and joining me
Speaker 1: is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's up, Han? How are
Speaker 1: you doing this afternoon? You know?
Speaker 2: Two and four Chargers not so great?
Speaker 3: Getting e J.
Speaker 2: Snyder and Brett Coleman on the podcast. Bertie darn good,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see Coat to show you guys
Speaker 2: what they had to say. You know, rarely do you
Speaker 2: get to have a bucket list person show up on
Speaker 2: the show and you get to interview them. We got
Speaker 2: both of them, so I'm excited to share.
Speaker 1: That with you guys. Yeah, definitely, super excited to get
Speaker 1: this one out to you. Guys. We know that things
Speaker 1: are are rough right now. We know we hear the frustration.
Speaker 1: We share a lot of the frustration. So we decided
Speaker 1: to see if we could bring out the big guns
Speaker 1: today and thankfully we were able to do that. So obviously,
Speaker 1: you guys know Brett Coleman so far. If you watch
Speaker 1: this channel, hopefully you know EJ as well if you
Speaker 1: consume any of their content. So they've greatly influenced our
Speaker 1: own podcast and certainly on this channel, as we've kind
Speaker 1: of tried to figure out the best way to talk
Speaker 1: about the Chargers on this channel, and so we've definitely
Speaker 1: stolen some ideas from them and had a great conversation
Speaker 1: with them about the truth of the Chargers, the truth
Speaker 1: of the Bears. They were huge on Too Lee. They
Speaker 1: were by far the first ones to talk about Too
Speaker 1: Lee leading up to the draft, so of course had
Speaker 1: to pick their brains there, and like Tyler said, hopefully
Speaker 1: you guys enjoy this conversation today. So as always, Tyler
Speaker 1: and I are fans of the team just like you
Speaker 1: guys are. The opinions that we express on this show
Speaker 1: and every show on this channel are just that they
Speaker 1: are opinions. They are not the opinions of the Chargers organization.
Speaker 1: We are very grateful to have this platform and they
Speaker 1: are gracious enough to host us on this platform. So
Speaker 1: that's that's that, that's business. So the interview did go
Speaker 1: a little bit longer than initially planned. We were tied
Speaker 1: on we're gonna jump back in here after the interview
Speaker 1: and have some thoughts, So we're just gonna do that now.
Speaker 1: Tyler biggest takeaway from the interview with with EJ and Brett.
Speaker 1: Before we get to the interview and then and the
Speaker 1: show man.
Speaker 2: Another Tuley thing that we can talk about the eleven
Speaker 2: press coverage snaps for Tuley that EJ mentioned within the interview.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, like, what can't this guy do?
Speaker 2: Because of course, like the guy who played noseguard a
Speaker 2: bit at Stanford and then some edge and then some linebacker,
Speaker 2: some detackle you name, it is also really good at
Speaker 2: edge and sending over a guard and impress coverage and
Speaker 2: against the run, against your tight end, against your tackle,
Speaker 2: against your guard. I mean, the dude is just phenomenal,
Speaker 2: Like and what can he do? But any Yeah, both
Speaker 2: these guys awesome. And then being high on Tuley of
Speaker 2: course because they're the best in the business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it only makes sense. So again, certainly, well the
Speaker 1: follow during draft season, my biggest takeaway is kind of
Speaker 1: what we've talked about. You know, the Chargers defense and
Speaker 1: their structure right now has to change this week or
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another long day for the Chargers secondary.
Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that with Brett and EJ.
Speaker 1: We'll get into all the two Ley stuff. Hopefully, you
Speaker 1: guys enjoy it. We certainly had a great time speaking
Speaker 1: with those gentlemen and obviously wish them a great success
Speaker 1: on their own show. That being said, here is the
Speaker 1: conversation with Brett and EJ. And that will do it
Speaker 1: for our episode. We greatly appreciate you guys checking us out.
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Speaker 1: the interview. We'll talk to you later. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: we are so happy now to be joined by the
Speaker 1: Bootleg Football guys, mister Brett Coleman and EJ. Snyder. Very
Speaker 1: fortunate that this game happened to be this week being
Speaker 1: Chargers and Bears. So obviously by now you know Brett
Speaker 1: doing some great work on the Chargers channel, and if
Speaker 1: you listen to the bout Leg Football podcast, which if
Speaker 1: you don't, I strongly encourage you to go and do that,
Speaker 1: you know that EJ is a very big Bears fan.
Speaker 1: So fellas we appreciate the time today. E J will
Speaker 1: start with you, man, how are you doing this afternoon?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great.
Speaker 4: I got to pull out my Bootleg Chargers shirt, which
Speaker 4: I secretly love because my hot take that everybody hates.
Speaker 4: And we'll point all the swords at me for is
Speaker 4: that the Chargers dark blues are the.
Speaker 5: Best uniform in the NFL. Like I love that color copy.
Speaker 6: It's the Powders man, you know, not for me.
Speaker 5: Not for me.
Speaker 1: Hey, we can spend all day long talking about uniform
Speaker 1: rankings if we really really wanted to. There's some great
Speaker 1: throwbacks in the NFL right now. But I'm with the
Speaker 1: EJ Man. I love the Navies, and I hope one
Speaker 1: day we'll see the alternate Navy helmet. Come back, Brett,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming back man. You're doing great work on
Speaker 1: the channel, like I said, and excited to pick your
Speaker 1: brain about some of the work that you've previous previously
Speaker 1: done for the Chargers and how it's kind of melded
Speaker 1: together today. But how are you doing this afternoon?
Speaker 3: I'm doing good.
Speaker 7: I'm genuinely looking for forward to the game on Sunday.
Speaker 7: I know there's been some frustrating moments this season.
Speaker 3: But EJ cover years.
Speaker 7: If there was ever an opportunity for a get right game,
Speaker 7: I think it's this Sunday, and I expect good things.
Speaker 4: You're not the first to call you that, so it's okay.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to hear. Hopefully, that it does come
Speaker 1: to fruition. Well, we'll preview some of the game, but
Speaker 1: first and foremost, you guys do great work and we're
Speaker 1: sincerely very grateful for your time today. One of the
Speaker 1: gold standards in the content production right now, and you
Speaker 1: guys have certainly influenced Tyler and I and the way
Speaker 1: we've done our own podcast. So very very grateful to
Speaker 1: have you guys on this afternoon.
Speaker 2: Influencers Stole and I think we took the five truth
Speaker 2: things straight from them, So imitation is most sincere form
Speaker 2: of flattery, I think.
Speaker 5: Right absolutely percent.
Speaker 3: We'll give you license. It's all good, Happy to help,
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's a great segment because it really allows us to
Speaker 1: take a step back, watch the film, look at the data,
Speaker 1: and really evaluate things. You know, Tyler and I have
Speaker 1: never been like hot take artists or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Like we we like calling it like it is and
Speaker 1: film and data are the best way to do that.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do a little bit of a variation
Speaker 1: of that. I'm sure our listeners are are a little
Speaker 1: bit tired of hearing from Tyler and I, but so
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from you guys today talking about the
Speaker 1: Charters and the Bears and their truths. So we'll kick
Speaker 1: it off with that, and we'll have some key previews
Speaker 1: of this upcoming game. And we're all being Tooley fans
Speaker 1: on this show today, so we're gonna talk about Tooley again.
Speaker 1: So thankfully, our listeners love listening about Tooley and we
Speaker 1: will continue to talk about Tooley because he's awesome. And
Speaker 1: EJ and Brett were very early on that trend, so
Speaker 1: excited to get some of their thoughts there. Brett, we'll
Speaker 1: start with you today. You've had obviously six games worth
Speaker 1: of Chargers taped to watch, six games worth of data.
Speaker 1: You did great work from the Kellen More perspective when
Speaker 1: the Chargers made that move. Now that we have six
Speaker 1: games worth, what is your biggest truth about the Chargers
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 7: Oh man, My biggest truth is they're more balanced than
Speaker 7: perhaps we've seen them in quite some time. And I
Speaker 7: don't just mean in terms of like run pass ratio.
Speaker 7: I'm talking in terms of like the style of how
Speaker 7: they run the ball. Like it's a very versatile run game.
Speaker 7: It's a run game where they have a lot of
Speaker 7: answers for whatever front you're gonna throw at them. You know,
Speaker 7: I obviously Eck being down for a little bit impacted things,
Speaker 7: but like I from a schematic perspective, I've been very
Speaker 7: impressed with what Kellen's done.
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of there's a lot of run.
Speaker 7: Games in the NFL that feel a little bit one
Speaker 7: dimensional in the sense that they have a few core
Speaker 7: concepts that they lean on and they don't really they
Speaker 7: don't really touch anything else. But I've seen the Chargers
Speaker 7: run everything this year like a like outside zone, inside zone,
Speaker 7: power counter, like all manner.
Speaker 6: Of Pin and Poll.
Speaker 7: It's it's been really a pleasure to watch, like a
Speaker 7: truly balanced run game. And you know, overall, I think
Speaker 7: the offense has has benefited tremendously from that because they're
Speaker 7: harder to prepare for, especially in the red zone. They're
Speaker 7: they're much harder to prepare for in the red zone.
Speaker 6: And I think I think going forward, we still haven't
Speaker 6: seen them play their best game, and they've played some
Speaker 6: pretty darn good ones.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: You know, losing Mike definitely hurts, But as QJ comes
Speaker 7: along and Keenan's having a wonderful year, and you know,
Speaker 7: Josh Palmer's doing his thing. Like I I still think that, uh,
Speaker 7: there's one more higher peak, or maybe a couple more
Speaker 7: higher peaks that they can.
Speaker 3: Get to, and I'm really eager to see that. But
Speaker 3: the versatility of.
Speaker 6: The run game is a big reason why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, regardless of how the Chargers perform on offense, I
Speaker 2: feel like, for better or worse, Kellen Moore is bringing
Speaker 2: variety to this offense. Do you feel that Washington tapent
Speaker 2: either You can answer this that the Chargers have kind
Speaker 2: of lost that because of Coy Linsley and because of
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's finger injury. And then as you talked about,
Speaker 2: there is one more spot they can go, another tier
Speaker 2: that they can reach. I mean, they had a really
Speaker 2: strong passing attack against the Vikings, for example, maybe not
Speaker 2: so the rushing attack, or maybe they have a good
Speaker 2: rushing day but not.
Speaker 1: Exactly the passing day.
Speaker 2: How do they get to that next level? What is
Speaker 2: that next thing? Or is the answer as simple as
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnston, I'll.
Speaker 4: Let you start, Ejay, Well, it leads right into my truth,
Speaker 4: so I'll just I'll lead off with that because it
Speaker 4: dovetails perfectly. Couldn't have got a better transition. Chargers are
Speaker 4: not going to hit that stride, are not going to
Speaker 4: reach that peak, which I think they can, but they're
Speaker 4: not going to do it until Kellen finds the plays
Speaker 4: that Justin can hit consistently. And consistently is the big
Speaker 4: word there, because we see Justin hit all kinds of
Speaker 4: plays every every week, short ones that he shouldn't hit,
Speaker 4: you know, escapism down the field. We know he's got
Speaker 4: a great arm, but they don't. It doesn't feel to
Speaker 4: me like the two of them have that play or
Speaker 4: that set of three plays that when things get off
Speaker 4: track and drives start to derail, they can go, hey,
Speaker 4: we're gonna run play two. Everybody knows we like to
Speaker 4: run play two. You're good at play two. Run play two,
Speaker 4: get a completion, move the sticks. It still feels like
Speaker 4: too many drives die out because they just haven't hit
Speaker 4: that handshake yet between quarterback and offensive play caller, one
Speaker 4: of the most important relationships in sports, where they just
Speaker 4: know this will work. It might not get us the
Speaker 4: first down all by itself, but it's going to get
Speaker 4: us back on track. It's gonna build our confidence, it's
Speaker 4: going to keep this drive moving. And until they hit
Speaker 4: that and they're going to have to do whatever they're
Speaker 4: going to have to do. I would posit that lowering
Speaker 4: the A dot for Justin is a thing. He has
Speaker 4: the third highest A dot in the league right now.
Speaker 4: That's average deep of target. The farther you go down
Speaker 4: the field, the lower percentage of the throw. He throws
Speaker 4: a lot of balls down the field during a game,
Speaker 4: and he doesn't complete enough of them right now to
Speaker 4: keep that going. They've got to shorten that up. They've
Speaker 4: got to find some ways to choke up on the
Speaker 4: bat if you will, since we're in you know, ALCS
Speaker 4: and NLCS series, and just keep things moving. And right
Speaker 4: now it just feels like they're so close to doing that.
Speaker 4: And if they do that, those next peaks.
Speaker 5: Are available to them.
Speaker 4: If they don't, they're going to continue to kind of struggle,
Speaker 4: have good days, like you said, Tyler, in one phase
Speaker 4: or the other, but not really marry them together and
Speaker 4: beat quality opponents like soundly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think from our perspective, that consistency factor has
Speaker 1: really been missing because you look at like the explosive
Speaker 1: play rate, and you look at the core concepts that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the pinning you mentioned counter. You know they're
Speaker 1: great at hitting explosive plays off of that. You know,
Speaker 1: in your initial breakdown of the passing game, Brett, you
Speaker 1: talked about the dagger plus a crossing route being one
Speaker 1: of the core concepts of Kellen Martin. We're seeing that
Speaker 1: and they're hitting Keenan, they're hitting Palmer out of that
Speaker 1: and creating these explosive plays. You know, the screen game
Speaker 1: has been really popping with Darius Davis as a way
Speaker 1: to create explosive plays. But if you look like their
Speaker 1: overall like down to down success rate, like it's pretty
Speaker 1: middle of the pack right now. So Brett, like, how
Speaker 1: how do they take these core concepts and you know,
Speaker 1: the hunt for explosive plays and balance that with what
Speaker 1: EJ is talking about and finding that consistency maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more in the intermediate range to have that
Speaker 1: more consistent success rate going forward.
Speaker 7: I feel like the Vikings game we saw that and
Speaker 7: that was like the best example of it where you know,
Speaker 7: a lot of it was like, hey, we're working little
Speaker 7: speed outs to Keenan or like a bullet slant to
Speaker 7: get us off the goal line.
Speaker 6: And I and I feel like the Vikings game.
Speaker 7: Which statistically, if I recall correctly, was their best day
Speaker 7: passing from an efficiency stand.
Speaker 1: It was Herbert's best game in our opinion, Yeah, and.
Speaker 7: I would agree with that, And a lot of it
Speaker 7: was because they worked all three levels right, and it
Speaker 7: wasn't it wasn't just hunting for explosives. It was also like, hey,
Speaker 7: it's first and ten, we're on the goal line. Let's
Speaker 7: take something easy to get off of it here and
Speaker 7: give us some space. Oh, here's twelve yards to keenan,
Speaker 7: you know, to give us that space to do so,
Speaker 7: in addition to h in addition to all the other
Speaker 7: you know, short and intermediate body blows that they were
Speaker 7: landing throughout the game, I would like to see them.
Speaker 3: As EJ said, do do more of that.
Speaker 7: And I kind of feel like that's what what they
Speaker 7: brought Quinton here to do, because he can take some
Speaker 7: of those shorter, shorter passes and kind of, you know,
Speaker 7: turn them into explosives after the catch. Like he was
Speaker 7: by far the best yards after catch receiver in college
Speaker 7: football last year. It was like eight point seven yards
Speaker 7: was his average yards after the catch per catch.
Speaker 6: Like that's insane.
Speaker 3: So, you know, if they.
Speaker 7: Are gonna call a little a little slant or if
Speaker 7: they are you know, running like some sort of spacing
Speaker 7: concept where it's it's present your numbers, catch the ball
Speaker 7: and go, Like I would like to see them do
Speaker 7: more that with Quinton, just because the more you get
Speaker 7: the ball in his hands, the more good things are
Speaker 7: gonna happen. Like he's just so explosive and so fast
Speaker 7: that naturally he's gonna he's gonna get explosives that way.
Speaker 7: And once they do that, it's gonna open up everything else,
Speaker 7: like and and so I think I think more body
Speaker 7: blows in general is a good thing. It doesn't even
Speaker 7: matter how you get them, just get them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree there.
Speaker 2: It was definitely a surprise for all of us as
Speaker 2: Chargers fans to see the usage for Quentin john even
Speaker 2: with Mike Williams going down. I think he's had fewer
Speaker 2: targets with Mike Williams down, and with Mike Williams healthy,
Speaker 2: and of course posts by Josh Parmer had a groin
Speaker 2: injury too, So it's been a bit of a surprise because,
Speaker 2: like you talked about, whatever you feel or felt about
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson as a receiver, first guy, second guy, third guy,
Speaker 2: fourth guy on your board or whatever, undeniably he was
Speaker 2: the best after the catch guy. I mean he was,
Speaker 2: like you know, Patrick Mahomes on every graph is up there,
Speaker 2: that was Quenton Johnson with yak and miss tackles force
Speaker 2: like that was his thing. So it's a surprise to
Speaker 2: see the lack of involvement in that specific way so far.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the return of Jalen Guiden at
Speaker 2: some point freeze that up for him. You now have
Speaker 2: your speedy downfield threat to do more of those vertical
Speaker 2: things to open him up. But it's definitely been a surprise,
Speaker 2: so we'll see what happens here.
Speaker 3: EJ. Why do you.
Speaker 2: Think they haven't quite gone to that with Quentin Johnson yet,
Speaker 2: because it really just feels like you're taking a player
Speaker 2: who can do something so specifically well that he wasn't
Speaker 2: just not just good at in calling, but I mean
Speaker 2: compared to your receivers in this charges room last year,
Speaker 2: he was so much better than those guys at yack,
Speaker 2: miss tackles force, like he was the missing piece to
Speaker 2: complement this team. Regardless of how you felt about him
Speaker 2: and how he can develop, he immediately had a roll.
Speaker 2: They haven't lead into that role. What do you think
Speaker 2: has been happening so far?
Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I wish I knew enough, because I think it meshes
Speaker 4: really well with what I said about Justin at the top.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: If you want to pull that average depth of target down,
Speaker 4: you have a guy to do it who is Taylor Made.
Speaker 4: We're all saying the same thing that he has a
Speaker 4: very specific skill set and he was the best at it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Matt Harmon, who does a reception perception, talks about a
Speaker 4: trump card, a skill that a player has that is
Speaker 4: well above other.
Speaker 5: Players, Like that's his trump card.
Speaker 4: You have that, and it would work really well to
Speaker 4: keep your offense moving. Right now, I'm not doing it. Instead,
Speaker 4: you're saying, hey, you're big and tall and fast. I
Speaker 4: want to run you down the field and throw balls
Speaker 4: over your shoulder. And his completion percentage on those was
Speaker 4: actually quite a bit lower than everybody thought they should
Speaker 4: be in college. That was something he didn't do as
Speaker 4: well or even up to quote unquote replacement level, if
Speaker 4: you want to use that as a metric.
Speaker 5: So the idea that they have this superpower drafted.
Speaker 4: Him presumably like they saw the same thing we did
Speaker 4: and said, hey, he's really good at that.
Speaker 5: We need that in our offense. We'll draft him up high.
Speaker 5: This isn't like a third round pick.
Speaker 4: This is a primary draft pick, and it would help
Speaker 4: our offense keep moving. And by the way, we're just
Speaker 4: not going to use it. We're going to try and
Speaker 4: expand his repertoire and not do that at all. Like
Speaker 4: I don't I don't understand that choice schematically, and I
Speaker 4: understand things like, oh, why don't.
Speaker 5: You pass it more?
Speaker 4: And you know, because the quarterback checked out to a run,
Speaker 4: But like, why are you calling routes that he's not
Speaker 4: good at and you're not calling a lot of routes
Speaker 4: to sort of get him on track. We talk about
Speaker 4: scheming quarterback touches. You need to scheme Quentin Johnson a
Speaker 4: touch of quarter that is in his roundhouse and he
Speaker 4: has several to choose from. You know, you have a
Speaker 4: palette of three or four routes.
Speaker 5: Pick one every quarter.
Speaker 4: Go to him, make sure it happens, build his confidence.
Speaker 5: We're going to see those explosives.
Speaker 4: He has that skill set, it's proven and they just
Speaker 4: haven't used it. And I wish I had the answer.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: One little change that I hope happens going forward. Here
Speaker 1: is more reps from the slot for Quentin Johnston. That
Speaker 1: was going to be such a huge aspect of the
Speaker 1: Mike Williams plan. Under Joe Lombardi, Mike was running like
Speaker 1: twelve percent of his snaps from the slot. Basically everything
Speaker 1: was out wide. This year, in the first three games
Speaker 1: under Kellen, it was twenty nine percent of his reps
Speaker 1: were from the slot. And not to say that you
Speaker 1: obviously replace Mike Williams with Quentin Johnston, but there's a
Speaker 1: part of that offense that is just missing right now.
Speaker 1: And Quentin Johnston is only running fourteen percent of his
Speaker 1: passing snaps from the slot, and I would like to
Speaker 1: see that go up. I think that's an easy way
Speaker 1: for him to create some touches going forward and leading
Speaker 1: into the season. Brett did a great video of Quentin
Speaker 1: Johnson's skill set, and I think that lines up pretty
Speaker 1: well for me.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, let's pivot to the Bears now, because I rarely
Speaker 2: get to talk about the Bears.
Speaker 1: I rarely watch the Bears.
Speaker 2: It's basically an every four years sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So Brett will start with, trust me.
Speaker 5: I understand why.
Speaker 6: You're not missing much.
Speaker 3: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: We're about to find out. And I'm not even entirely
Speaker 2: sure that Charles will win this game. So, Brett, leading
Speaker 2: into this Bears team, what is your truth about them
Speaker 2: so far? Having watched them this season?
Speaker 7: Oh man, my truth about them is on some level,
Speaker 7: they are already regretting not taking Jalen Carter over Darnel
Speaker 7: Wright because the pass rush has been really, really bad,
Speaker 7: And I understand the reasons why they didn't take Jalen Carter,
Speaker 7: but at the same time, seeing what Jalen is doing
Speaker 7: in Philly right now and then seeing what the Bear
Speaker 7: stefensive line is doing, I do think there is a
Speaker 7: slight tinge of regret there. And Darnell himself has been
Speaker 7: very good in the run game, but very inconsistent in
Speaker 7: the past game. And if you had to ask me
Speaker 7: which is the better player right now, it's Jalen Carter,
Speaker 7: no questions asked, not even close. And so again I
Speaker 7: understand why they did at the time, I do think
Speaker 7: there's a little bit of regret there, and I also
Speaker 7: think that there's a lot of regret that they didn't
Speaker 7: take Touley because even let's just say they still take
Speaker 7: Darnel Right with all.
Speaker 3: The assets that they had after.
Speaker 7: That top ten pick, knowing that they did not have
Speaker 7: a good pass rush.
Speaker 3: Touley was there Tooley.
Speaker 7: Was a vailab they didn't take him and tu Lee's
Speaker 7: top four a mon rookies and pressures right now, and
Speaker 7: now they got to face him this week. And again
Speaker 7: if we if we're doing a rookie on rookie battle
Speaker 7: to Lee on Darnell Wright, I would favor Tully in
Speaker 7: that battle, especially in passpro. He's been magnificent. So I again,
Speaker 7: I understand why they did what they did, but they
Speaker 7: let a lot of really good defensive players end up
Speaker 7: on other teams, especially particularly defensive linemen. They happen to
Speaker 7: be facing one of them this week, and I think
Speaker 7: I think he's gonna let them know that they shouldn't
Speaker 7: have passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were big fans of Darnell Wright on on
Speaker 1: our podcast, but you know, going as high as he went,
Speaker 1: I think we'll see e J. What are you What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Darnell so far and what he's
Speaker 1: been able to do. I know Braxton Jones is also heard,
Speaker 1: which probably doesn't like help matters there, but what are
Speaker 1: you seeing from Darnell Wright on a week to week basis?
Speaker 4: Darnell Wright is improving every week and he's had really
Speaker 4: good plays. He hasn't hit a level of consistency yet,
Speaker 4: but he is a rookie. And what he did in
Speaker 4: the Raiders game was an absolutely sort of lunch pale,
Speaker 4: gritty performance. And in the second half he couldn't use
Speaker 4: his left arm. Like if you go back to the
Speaker 4: All twenty two, he's literally hanging his left arm off
Speaker 4: the side.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And he's handling Max Crosby, the best edg dresher in
Speaker 4: the NFL, not taking any questions at this time with
Speaker 4: one hand, all right, Like he's rerouting Max Crosby with
Speaker 4: his right arm, and that's it. He's okie dokin linebackers
Speaker 4: with one arm, getting out in run pro and just
Speaker 4: stuffing people with one arm.
Speaker 5: He's a great player. He has not achieved a great
Speaker 5: level of play yet. The injury is concerning.
Speaker 4: We'll see if he's you know, full go this week
Speaker 4: or not. But to be able to do that against
Speaker 4: really quality players when you are clearly i'm just gonna
Speaker 4: say it in like not hurt, injured, you can't move
Speaker 4: your arm was super duper impressive.
Speaker 5: And again to see him.
Speaker 4: Paired with a guard next to him with a lot
Speaker 4: of power. Tevin moved over to the right side last
Speaker 4: week for the first time. Nate's been in and out
Speaker 4: as a right guard, and they've been just a rotating
Speaker 4: cast of characters in.
Speaker 5: The offensive line. That's just been a problem sort of
Speaker 5: beginning to end.
Speaker 4: But it was a little glimpse of what the Bears
Speaker 4: thought they had in their offensive line in terms of
Speaker 4: their preseason lineup before injuries struck, and they did amazingly well.
Speaker 4: When they ran to the right side against the Raiders,
Speaker 4: they had thirteen carries for eighty one yards six point
Speaker 4: two per attempt, and again, Darnold Wright didn't have his
Speaker 4: left arm for the second half, so that includes those
Speaker 4: numbers nine first downs.
Speaker 5: When they went to the other.
Speaker 4: Side, Cody White, Aaron Larry Borum not so much, seventeen
Speaker 4: carries for fifty six yards, three point three per attempt
Speaker 4: and two first downs. Now those stats are credit it
Speaker 4: to our buddy Bill Zimmerman. But when they went right
Speaker 4: against the Raiders, they made hey behind that right side,
Speaker 4: and it's a it's a sort of glimpse of hope.
Speaker 5: It is not the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Darnell Wright is not a finished player, but a little
Speaker 4: bit of like the Bears going, yeah, this is what
Speaker 4: we thought we were gonna get. Look at that, and
Speaker 4: just those two powerhouses on the right side beating people up.
Speaker 4: If it was me, I would keep them there. I
Speaker 4: would rotate whoever else we need on the rest and
Speaker 4: just keep Tevin and Darnell as the young stalwarts and
Speaker 4: have them go beat the hell out of people because
Speaker 4: they're both really capable of that.
Speaker 1: Well's I think it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 7: Tevin, honestly like Tevin, Tevin for me was the difference
Speaker 7: maker because, especially when they were running all his own stuff,
Speaker 7: because Darnell only had one arm, Like you saw Tevin
Speaker 7: literally crack people in the ribs and shove them outside
Speaker 7: where it's like, all right now you got them, darn
Speaker 7: Like Tvin, Tevin was very conscious of what Darnell could
Speaker 7: have couldn't do, and I think he played a whale
Speaker 7: of a game at right guard. And I I do
Speaker 7: think that on some level, And I can't remember if
Speaker 7: it was during the show or not when EJ I
Speaker 7: mentioned there was like the vast majority of Beajen's passes
Speaker 7: where eight yards or less. I think a lot of
Speaker 7: it was because they knew that if they had to
Speaker 7: hold out of the ball longer to go down the field,
Speaker 7: they probably weren't going to hold up in pass protection overall.
Speaker 7: But boy, they could really run the ball.
Speaker 2: Well, all go out now, you're good, go after it
Speaker 2: kind of bowl, you know, Max Crosby, Darnell Riot, Tevin Jenkins.
Speaker 2: That's not a bad set of matchups to watch there.
Speaker 2: I do have to ask about then, about Tyson Badgen.
Speaker 2: What were the expectations going into this game? Was it
Speaker 2: just a range of expectations. Did you expect two point
Speaker 2: five yards as your average depth of target? And why
Speaker 2: was that so successful for them? Because the Raiders they
Speaker 2: couldn't stop it.
Speaker 6: I can't speak for each again, EAJ and I have
Speaker 6: not compared.
Speaker 7: Notes before this appearance whatsoever, so each is always far
Speaker 7: with me on this.
Speaker 3: That is exactly what I expected.
Speaker 6: It worked, But that is exactly what I.
Speaker 7: Expected, just based on what we've seen from Tyson. Tyson
Speaker 7: as a player in preseason as as well as a shepherd.
Speaker 7: Because e J and I are degenerates and did have shephard,
Speaker 7: we appreciate exactly what And you know, obviously we saw
Speaker 7: the Senior.
Speaker 3: Bowl too, like we were able to watch all the.
Speaker 7: Teams the team practices from Senior Bowl and kind of
Speaker 7: see him him throw it around and everything, and like.
Speaker 3: That's stylistically like what he's good at.
Speaker 7: So I wasn't surprised by the average depth of target.
Speaker 7: Slightly surprised by the result, like slightly surprised that it
Speaker 7: worked at the NFL level, not surprised by the plan.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I would agree that if anything, it was a little
Speaker 4: more conservative even than I expected. But I expected short
Speaker 4: to medium in that order. If short worked, go to medium,
Speaker 4: short worked, They never went to medium. I think he
Speaker 4: had four targets over ten yards of depth and only
Speaker 4: two of them were completed.
Speaker 5: And again after he came in.
Speaker 4: In relief duty in his first you know, his first
Speaker 4: adding ends up throwing a duck of an interception to
Speaker 4: kind of seal the game and gets you know, stripsacked early.
Speaker 4: So I think they really wanted to build confidence, lean
Speaker 4: into his skill set, and everybody rallied the reason it
Speaker 4: worked and surprised Brett and Ie in terms of effectiveness,
Speaker 4: even though it was kind of what we expected to
Speaker 4: see coming. Was everybody rallying around him, including the offensive lineman,
Speaker 4: all the pass catchers. Darnell Mooney got involved in a
Speaker 4: way that he hasn't gotten involved for really the whole season.
Speaker 4: All the running backs running hard, you know, backup running backs.
Speaker 4: At this point you're down to third and four stringers.
Speaker 4: Everybody was just grinding for yards and leaning for the
Speaker 4: sticks and taking on that one extra piece of contact,
Speaker 4: and there was a real energy going through the offense.
Speaker 5: But I want to caution people, it's not sustainable.
Speaker 4: Like Tyson Pagent is a really good QB two. He
Speaker 4: is just exactly what you want as QB two. He
Speaker 4: can come in, he can execute the offense, he can
Speaker 4: be accurate, he can be quick, and as he gains
Speaker 4: experience in the league, he can stretch into that medium zone.
Speaker 4: We saw him do that at Sheppard where he had
Speaker 4: a high comfort level and he worked very well in
Speaker 4: that zone. He is not a deep ball thrower right now,
Speaker 4: not saying he's not ever gonna be, but that's again
Speaker 4: not the strength you want to lean into. If you
Speaker 4: squad on the Bears short passing game right now, they're done,
Speaker 4: like because there isn't another hit right Because if you
Speaker 4: are playing cover three press and you come up and
Speaker 4: you say nothing in the five yard zone.
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's a runner pass. We're just
Speaker 5: coming forward.
Speaker 4: We're gonna snuff everything in a five yard zone and
Speaker 4: threat and just dare you to throw it over our heads.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's consistency in that offense for the Bears,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna take away all the things that worked
Speaker 4: against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's great because the Chargers are doing the
Speaker 1: opposite of that right now. Right now the strategy seems
Speaker 1: to be Darien teams to throw out short. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really a frustrating game plan the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks against teams i'd also like to throw out short.
Speaker 1: So it just it blew my mind looking at Tyson
Speaker 1: Pagent's numbers, because it was the average of the target
Speaker 1: was extremely low, but then his average time to throw
Speaker 1: was pretty high, and I was like, Okay, normally that's
Speaker 1: not the case. Normally it's like when you're eight hours low,
Speaker 1: it's it's quick, you're pulling the trigger quick. But that
Speaker 1: was the opposite. So, you know, Brandon Staley said on
Speaker 1: Sunday that the team needs to reset, and I think
Speaker 1: a part of that has been the secondary performances and
Speaker 1: just the constant soft zone and off coverages here. This
Speaker 1: is this is the game where you say, Okay, Michael Davis,
Speaker 1: let's let you get back to your form, let's get
Speaker 1: you at the line, let's press DJ more and let's
Speaker 1: mess with the rhythm. Whether or not that happens this week,
Speaker 1: I think is another conversation.
Speaker 2: Brett, What did you make of that defense from the
Speaker 2: Charges the last two weeks? Because I watched the preview
Speaker 2: show before Week seven for the Chiefs and Chargers game,
Speaker 2: and you said you were shouting things from the stands
Speaker 2: and saying, look, you cannot play this off. You cannot
Speaker 2: play this way, and if you do that against the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: they are going to get you. Now, granted, the Chiefs
Speaker 2: are the best at that, so you're gonna struggle regardless.
Speaker 2: But one hundred and ninety two yards after the catch
Speaker 2: generated by the Chiefs in that game, what did you
Speaker 2: make of that? And do you feel the Chargers would
Speaker 2: pivot away from that this game?
Speaker 7: I you know, I don't know if they're gonna pivot
Speaker 7: away from it this game because I feel like their
Speaker 7: insistence on playing this this way stylistically indicates a.
Speaker 6: Lack of trust in their speed.
Speaker 7: You don't play this far over the top of every
Speaker 7: single receiver if you think that your guys can run
Speaker 7: hip to hip in like press coverage, and the fact
Speaker 7: that they insist on not doing that rightly or wrongly,
Speaker 7: indicates that at least a coaching staff thinks that they
Speaker 7: can't do that, which is a whole different conversation of like, Okay, well,
Speaker 7: then how did the secondary get into this particular state
Speaker 7: where you don't think you have the speed? Do you
Speaker 7: not think that Michael Davis can play press coverage all day?
Speaker 3: Anymore?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 7: Do you not think that Assante has the second and
Speaker 7: third gear to stay with guys hip to hip down
Speaker 7: the field? Like do you not think that the safeties
Speaker 7: can run man demand with the thirty four year old
Speaker 7: Travis Kelcey. If so, that's a whole different problem that
Speaker 7: we are now in, and arguably a worse problem. So
Speaker 7: I feel like the style is determined by what the
Speaker 7: coaching staff thinks as possible. And apparently what the coaching
Speaker 7: staff thinks as possible is we are going to create
Speaker 7: an umbrella, and we're going to give you whatever you
Speaker 7: want underneath, and we're going to try to tackle and
Speaker 7: we're going to live and die by our ability to tackle.
Speaker 7: Couldn't do it against Dallas, definitely couldn't do it against
Speaker 7: Kansas City. And the problem is tysonvagent is more than
Speaker 7: happy to give the ball to DJ Moore in space
Speaker 7: and say, go ahead, do all the work, Dj. And
Speaker 7: you know not that Travis Kelsey was good at burning angles.
Speaker 3: Wait to see Dj Moore.
Speaker 6: So it's it's a frustrating. It's a frustrating.
Speaker 7: Recipe because I feel like the Bears are content to
Speaker 7: do exactly what the Chargers are going to allow them
Speaker 7: to do, and it's going to have to be a
Speaker 7: herculean performance by the Chargers pass rushers again to get
Speaker 7: there before Tyson can get the ball out, or at
Speaker 7: minimum throw their hands up and clog these throwing lanes
Speaker 7: and try to get some bad at passes.
Speaker 6: Because it doesn't seem to me.
Speaker 7: That the coaching staff believes that the secondary has the
Speaker 7: juice to play the press man coverage style that in
Speaker 7: theory would frustrate this Bears offense.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how that one goes. I generally we'll
Speaker 1: get back to the run game here, because I generally
Speaker 1: am very very exciting. We can pivot like this into
Speaker 1: the towo le the conversation too, because you know, the
Speaker 1: Bears are running the football more than any team over
Speaker 1: the last three weeks with justin fields, with Tyson Bagent,
Speaker 1: They're running for more yards per game than any team
Speaker 1: over the last three weeks. Their success rate is really good.
Speaker 1: And despite the struggles in the passing game, the Charges
Speaker 1: run defense has been very good this year, and a
Speaker 1: large part of that is Tuley and what he's able
Speaker 1: to do consistently on a down to down basis. The
Speaker 1: way he's been able to you know, close space against
Speaker 1: pollers or just the brute force against outside zone, it's
Speaker 1: been a ton of fun to watch. And the way
Speaker 1: that EJ Is describing Tevin Jenkins and obviously Darnell Wright
Speaker 1: for me who loves the trenches, gets me pretty excited
Speaker 1: because both Klumac and Tuley are great against against the trenches.
Speaker 1: In the trenches so to speak. Right now. So EJ's
Speaker 1: what's kind of the secret sauce to the Bears pushing
Speaker 1: attack outside of Tevin and Darnell being bullyballs, what's kind
Speaker 1: of their their mo right now?
Speaker 4: Well, right now is the most important phrase there. They
Speaker 4: didn't have any secret sauce. Early in a year, they
Speaker 4: were not running the ball particularly well. They were getting
Speaker 4: some explosives, but in terms of we talked about down
Speaker 4: to down consistency in terms of the Chargers. Down to
Speaker 4: down consistency for the Bears early in the season, largely
Speaker 4: because of the old line struggles in the line shuffles,
Speaker 4: especially at center, they were just the bad news Bears.
Speaker 4: They could not get out of their own way. They
Speaker 4: had linemen blocking their own linemen.
Speaker 5: It was it was a mess.
Speaker 4: And about three three and a half weeks ago it
Speaker 4: started to clean up and we started to see a
Speaker 4: little bit more consistency.
Speaker 5: Some of that was returned to health.
Speaker 4: Players are turning to the lineup, getting players back in
Speaker 4: their more natural positions. But then you got running back injuries,
Speaker 4: so line came up, running backs went down. You would
Speaker 4: expect that they would stay in that sort of middling territory,
Speaker 4: but they picked right up where they left off, and
Speaker 4: that's largely because the running back room is probably the
Speaker 4: strongest depth room that the Bears have. They were legitimately
Speaker 4: four deep at running back. Very few teams are four deep,
Speaker 4: so pivoting to the third and fourth third being Deontay Foreman.
Speaker 4: Like josph Foreman was stride for stride with Nick Chubb
Speaker 4: through the last.
Speaker 5: Eight weeks of last season.
Speaker 4: Like if you look at Nick Chubb's stats and Deontay
Speaker 4: Foreman's stats from last year second half of last year.
Speaker 5: They're the same. It is a carbon copy. Because Steve
Speaker 5: Wilkes with the Panthers said, we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna run the ball.
Speaker 5: It's very talented guy.
Speaker 4: As long as he gets some downhill blocks and gets going,
Speaker 4: don't expect him to run outside zone. But they leaned
Speaker 4: into that and said, cool, we got a couple of
Speaker 4: hulks on the inside. We're gonna run some power concepts
Speaker 4: and we're gonna blast Deonty Foreman. And you know, Darrenton Evans,
Speaker 4: who was signed away from another team's practice squad, spent
Speaker 4: time with the Bears last year, so he was sort
Speaker 4: of familiar with the playbook. He's looked way better than
Speaker 4: he ever looked with the Bears in the past or
Speaker 4: really anybody else. And again, it's that thunder and lightning.
Speaker 4: I hate that that saying, but that's the way it's
Speaker 4: been working right now. Down to Foreman's been pounding away
Speaker 4: Darrenton Evans has been the slasher, the outside concept, the
Speaker 4: big cutback counter guy, and they've found success.
Speaker 3: And it's a.
Speaker 4: Little surprising to me just because, well, at least last week,
Speaker 4: they didn't have any threat of a deep passing game,
Speaker 4: like I believe the Raiders pretty much understood by the
Speaker 4: second half, like Tyson Bageen's not going deep on us,
Speaker 4: we should we should just pack everybody forward.
Speaker 5: And they still had success.
Speaker 4: So you can say what you want about the Raiders
Speaker 4: defense hasn't been tremendous as a as a unit. They
Speaker 4: lost to Van Diablo last week. I get it, but
Speaker 4: the Bears had more success even than I think with
Speaker 4: all those variables figured in, than either of us thought
Speaker 4: they would. It's looked really good, and it's been as
Speaker 4: a guy that loves the run game, pretty refreshing, because
Speaker 4: the first month of the season as a Bears run
Speaker 4: game was not pretty to look at. We were just
Speaker 4: talking about why it wasn't working and where it.
Speaker 5: Was failing, and.
Speaker 4: Why it wasn't supporting the offense as an equal part
Speaker 4: and the load that was putting on Justin and everything else.
Speaker 5: In the last couple of weeks have.
Speaker 4: Been able to like, hey, look at this great efficiency,
Speaker 4: lots of first down, some explosives like this part of
Speaker 4: the offense is carrying the offensive part of the team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys that I believe.
Speaker 2: The Bears I should say, are third in rush EPA
Speaker 2: the last few weeks. I mean, looking really good. They're
Speaker 2: a lot of surprise. I think they finished last season
Speaker 2: second in rush EPA, but that was justin fields.
Speaker 3: Helps with those things.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a guy like Mercedes Lewis also helps there.
Speaker 2: I see a big matchup this week between one of
Speaker 2: the oldest guys in the league and Mercedes Lewis versus
Speaker 2: two Lee Twipplow too, one of the youngest guys who
Speaker 2: just turned twenty one. How has he and Brett will
Speaker 2: start with you and last question so I can get
Speaker 2: you guys out of here. How has he either defied
Speaker 2: expectations or met your expectations? Because he's been awesome and
Speaker 2: like you said, the Bears maybe are regretting passing on him,
Speaker 2: but for the Chargers, we're loving it.
Speaker 7: He has been phenomenal in all in all respects. You
Speaker 7: know again, he's fourth among rookies and pressures. Two of
Speaker 7: the three guys ahead of him are Jalen garter will Anderson,
Speaker 7: who were arguably the two best players in.
Speaker 6: The entire draft class.
Speaker 7: So he's he's mentioned in the same breath as them.
Speaker 7: And oh, by the way, also he leads the Chargers
Speaker 7: and run stops. You know, he lines up everywhere and
Speaker 7: does everything. Four point stance, three point stance. You know,
Speaker 7: they'll they'll put him in a two point stance over
Speaker 7: the guard and he'll backdoor guards and get TFLs that way.
Speaker 7: Like he's been fantastic. They're playing it, playing him at
Speaker 7: a lighter weight than he did at USC, and so
Speaker 7: his quickness and fluidity I think has been highlighted more
Speaker 7: in the NFL than it.
Speaker 3: Was at the collegiate level.
Speaker 7: And I would just keep him at this weight because
Speaker 7: for sure, guards seemingly can't handle his quickness, but he
Speaker 7: still retained a lot of the power that he had
Speaker 7: when he was heavier and uh and so you know,
Speaker 7: even these tackles that are three fifteen, three, twenty three,
Speaker 7: twenty five, like he's getting into their chest and just
Speaker 7: rocking them back. So I think the Chargers absolutely knocked
Speaker 7: it out of the park. And again, you compare, you
Speaker 7: compare Tuley to the edge rotation for the Bears. I mean,
Speaker 7: the Chargers have three of them at this point, but
Speaker 7: like the Bears are last in the NFL and pass
Speaker 7: rush win rate there at twenty nine percent, Tully by himself,
Speaker 7: you know, would would be I think the pressure leader
Speaker 7: in Chicago right now. So again, Chargers are very lucky
Speaker 7: that he fell that far. EJ was a massive Tuley guy,
Speaker 7: coming out like he thought he should have been a
Speaker 7: first round pick, and then to see.
Speaker 6: Him slide and slide and slide and then not end
Speaker 6: up in Chicago was heartbreaking for him.
Speaker 3: But Chargers are very happy about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I think I said this before, but
Speaker 1: I remember listening to Your Guys show about tu Lee
Speaker 1: and that was the first time I went back and
Speaker 1: watched him. In the first game I watched was Stanford
Speaker 1: and they had him playing noseguard that week for like
Speaker 1: thirty five snaps and I'm like, I'm like EJ and
Speaker 1: Brett said, this guy as an edge rusher, Like what
Speaker 1: is going on here? But I stuck with it, and
Speaker 1: I liked too Lee not as much as EJ did,
Speaker 1: But you know, again, influencing the show, influencing us, because
Speaker 1: I would not have stuck with that I would not
Speaker 1: have watched him playing nose guard and stuck with it
Speaker 1: if not for your guys' opinions there. So EJ, what
Speaker 1: do you seeing from Tuley from afar as as a
Speaker 1: Bears fan right now?
Speaker 4: Well, as a Bears fan, it's just tears right. I
Speaker 4: wanted him very bad to be at Bears. But he's
Speaker 4: one of those guys that you fall in love with
Speaker 4: this film. He was on our honorable mentions list for
Speaker 4: our Defensive Gems episode. Was a strong advocate. Thought he
Speaker 4: was going to be a value. I thought he should
Speaker 4: go higher. I also kind of knew he wouldn't though.
Speaker 4: I thought the league would discount his mix of skills
Speaker 4: and that he would be a second or third rounder,
Speaker 4: and to me, that represented a huge value.
Speaker 5: So that made him even more attractive to me.
Speaker 4: I'd say he's met my expectations for him, but I
Speaker 4: had super high expectations, maybe the highest in the draft
Speaker 4: community that I know about.
Speaker 5: So you know, his usage.
Speaker 4: Is fantastic And when I was digging around for this episode,
Speaker 4: I find a fun one.
Speaker 5: Brett. You're gonna love this.
Speaker 4: He leads edge rushers in press coverage snaps for the league.
Speaker 3: Of course, he does at first.
Speaker 4: At first, I was like, Oh, let's just see if
Speaker 4: he leads all rookies, and I screwed the filter up
Speaker 4: and I didn't sort it for rookies and he was
Speaker 4: still at the top, and I was like, oh, crap,
Speaker 4: he's leading the NFL in press coverage snaps for edge rushers.
Speaker 4: He has eleven, which doesn't seem like a ton, but
Speaker 4: it's a whole lot more than obviously anybody else playing
Speaker 4: edge in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Inside outside versatility.
Speaker 4: You talked about in college his usages, they had him
Speaker 4: slid in you know, nose two I, they played him
Speaker 4: at four I.
Speaker 5: He would occasionally.
Speaker 4: Play wide nine and he just terrorized people from all
Speaker 4: those alignments. Tons of effort, tons of physicality, and a
Speaker 4: lot of savvy. He he didn't always just get it
Speaker 4: done by out athleting people and oftentimes put himself in
Speaker 4: the right position that required film study, that required and
Speaker 4: understanding if I do this, the offensive linement's going to
Speaker 4: do this, and then I'm going to be in.
Speaker 3: The spot to do that.
Speaker 4: I loved all that stuff about his game. He's done
Speaker 4: that and more for the Chargers. Plus, you know, apparently
Speaker 4: he covers, so why not like, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Why not.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I had not seen that stat until until just now,
Speaker 1: so that's that's awesome. So along with everything else, he's
Speaker 1: he's a great great interview, great guy, super humble off
Speaker 1: the field. We were big fans of two on this show,
Speaker 1: so all right, that's gonna do it for us. Brett Ej.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for joining us today. We
Speaker 1: are super grateful for your time. We kept you longer
Speaker 1: than we initially planned, so appreciate the graciousness of your time.
Speaker 1: Charges fans, sincerely, go check them out. If you're a
Speaker 1: draft nerd, they are the best in the business and
Speaker 1: covering the draft. If you want deep dives on every
Speaker 1: team in the summer, definitely go. Encourage you to go
Speaker 1: check those out. They put a ton of work into that,
Speaker 1: as we were talking about before the show. Sincerely, one
Speaker 1: of the gold standards in the industry right now, and
Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time. So Brett EJ. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us so much, and we will talk soon,
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate it.