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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 4: I mean it is Nashville really a part of Tennessee.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the same way and that like if
Speaker 4: you say somebody's from Techa, Yeah, Austin's part of Texas.
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Speaker 3: Man, I hear that.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So this is the one, Yes, this is the one
Speaker 1: where we get all our pumpkins in we're here it
Speaker 1: is pumpkin season. Yeah, and they've got the day, so
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Also, mince meat, I've never really is it?
Speaker 2: Is it just ground beef?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Well, like a mince like a traditional one will have
Speaker 2: also like fruit in it. Sometimes it's mince meat pie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: meat pie. Yeah, it's like it's to celebrate mince meat pie. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: don't care because you imagine National ground Beef Day, I mean,
Speaker 2: based on what we've seen, that is very possible.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: in our third seat by the best selling author of
Speaker 1: books like Oh I Don't Know John Dies at the End,
Speaker 1: Zoe punches the future and the Dick and the News.
Speaker 1: Zoe is too drug for this dystopia which out now?
Speaker 3: Can we?
Speaker 4: Is it out out on Halloween Tuesday this coming Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Also one of the hosts of the podcast Big Feats, which,
Speaker 1: if I'm reading this Paris Review article correctly, is the
Speaker 1: only Mountain Monsters podcast officially endorsed by Big Feats. He's
Speaker 1: my former coworker at Crack dot Com and co creator
Speaker 1: of the Crack podcast. Welcome back to the show, Jason Pardon.
Speaker 4: There are certain people listening to us who are hearing
Speaker 4: me on a podcast for the eighth time in the
Speaker 4: last week.
Speaker 1: Are round to you.
Speaker 4: I apologize. I booked a total of twenty two podcast
Speaker 4: appearances and this is the last one because they were
Speaker 4: all in the run up to the way book promotion goes,
Speaker 4: you promote in advance. It's kind of like Christmas how
Speaker 4: you start celebrating Christmas in August in the United States.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that. You promote in advance to
Speaker 4: build up pre orders. And I've been promoting for the
Speaker 4: past I don't know, three years for this book and
Speaker 4: finally it is here. But this in the last few weeks,
Speaker 4: I've booked basically every podcast that will have me to
Speaker 4: let people know that the book is coming. There are
Speaker 4: a lot of audiobook listeners in your audience. That is
Speaker 4: something I have learned because I guess they see audiobooks
Speaker 4: is just another kind of podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what if this podcasts out something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if this podcast was fact checked and didn't have
Speaker 1: people randomly singing at the beginning of it. Well, it's
Speaker 1: all been leading up to this, Jason that thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us. How has the twenty two podcasts?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it just a blur of podcast? Do you even
Speaker 1: know what podcast you're on?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: This isn't Rogan Man all right.
Speaker 4: So the ones that are the toughest are the interviews
Speaker 4: where they want to ask me about my process and
Speaker 4: all that. They're all very nice people. Nobody is out
Speaker 4: to grill me. But that's to.
Speaker 2: Me the least.
Speaker 4: The least interesting subject for me to discuss is myself
Speaker 4: and what goes through my mind when writing books. I
Speaker 4: realized that fans find it interesting, but I think most
Speaker 4: creative people would prefer to prefer to talk about something
Speaker 4: else unless they are just terrible people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't understand it, right, Like it's hard to
Speaker 1: like figure out your process or it seems boring to you, right.
Speaker 4: Well? Also, my process for writing books is not like
Speaker 4: Hunter S. Thompson. I didn't get high and go in
Speaker 4: the desert for nine months and then go undercover with
Speaker 4: the Hell's Angels.
Speaker 2: It is it is a story.
Speaker 4: I just yea, I came about what your process was.
Speaker 3: That was it? Right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well sorry I cut you off. J Miles, what
Speaker 1: were you saying?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just saying. I mean it's talking
Speaker 2: about process. I'm sure can be boring to you, but
Speaker 2: if it's something different, right, I think, like for creative people,
Speaker 2: it's good to hear or people who are aspiring to
Speaker 2: do creative work, just to even hear people demystified to
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, there's nothing like really special about it.
Speaker 2: It's just something I do by expressing myself because I
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of the times it's easy to
Speaker 2: build it up in your head. It's like, what's my
Speaker 2: mythical fucking process that's so different? And sometimes it is
Speaker 2: like refreshing to hear people whose work you like, just
Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, just just kind of have ideas
Speaker 2: and just kind of toy with them and yeah, it's
Speaker 2: nothing really wild like that.
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan is the most fascinating person to hear talk
Speaker 1: about everything except like Bob Dylan songs, and then he
Speaker 1: becomes like completely incoherent and you're just like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is.
Speaker 3: He talking about? I thought this guy was smart.
Speaker 4: And likewise, Quentin Terrence, if you ask him about cinema
Speaker 4: fascinating to listen to, fascinating, like the science of cinema, storytelling, writing,
Speaker 4: He can talk about that stuff. He knows more, He's
Speaker 4: forgotten more than most filmmakers ever know. If you listen
Speaker 4: to him speak on any other subject. The most insufferable man, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the most uninformed opinions, the most just you get him
Speaker 4: talking about screenwriting or storytelling or the history, like he
Speaker 4: has seen every movie. Yeah, it's like, let's just talk
Speaker 4: about that. But yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Saw like a thing. It was probably like an old
Speaker 2: clip where people were just reading him the like the
Speaker 2: back of like vhs like B movies to see if
Speaker 2: he could kind of figure out what the movie was.
Speaker 2: And he was like, to your point, I mean, I know, you,
Speaker 2: like worked in a video store, and that is like
Speaker 2: a sort of a huge part of him, like ingesting
Speaker 2: so much media. But it was wild how pretty accurate
Speaker 2: he was with things I had never even heard of.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I just watched a B movie recommended by him. Well, like,
Speaker 1: so he programs it. Wait, we might even talk about
Speaker 1: this a little bit later on, but he programs an
Speaker 1: entire movie theater here in Los Angeles, the New BEV,
Speaker 1: And he also recommends this movie My Bloody Valentine as
Speaker 1: like a good He said it's his favorite slasher movie
Speaker 1: and I watched that last weekend and it is terrible
Speaker 1: and also like, I highly recommend it. It's like a
Speaker 1: lot like he knows what he's talking about. Absolutely when
Speaker 1: it comes to b movies, he's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: great time at the movies. Anyways, Jason, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. They did elect a speaker of
Speaker 1: the House. I don't know we can talk about that.
Speaker 1: We probably talked about it on Yesterday's Trending so but
Speaker 1: we might. Well we'll mention it briefly.
Speaker 2: Turns out he's a piece of crap. Turns out real
Speaker 2: piece of shit. Hey, speaking of real pieces of shit.
Speaker 2: This serial killer, that's right, I said it. This serial killer,
Speaker 2: the kill Go Beach serial killer. Not a good guy.
Speaker 1: But also the the cops did a It's just like
Speaker 1: more in the deprogramming of my brain from a lifetime
Speaker 1: of being watching cop movies and shit like that. And
Speaker 1: then every time I read a story about the actual
Speaker 1: investigation that ends up, you know, finding finding a killer
Speaker 1: or not finding a killer. It's always just like shocking
Speaker 1: incompetence on the part of the police. So I just
Speaker 1: wanted to there's a New York Times article about the
Speaker 1: process of eventually arresting this serial killer in Long Beach
Speaker 1: or Long Island, not Long Beach, Long Island near New
Speaker 1: York City, and how it happened. All of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But before we get to it, Jason, we do like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 4: Yes, yesterday I searched can a president serve from prison? Yeah,
Speaker 4: because if the the elections hell today, not only would
Speaker 4: Donald Trump win, he would win so easily that as
Speaker 4: soon as they closed the polls they would announce he
Speaker 4: had won. He's ahead in most of the swing states.
Speaker 4: But also it looks like the odds are he will
Speaker 4: lose some of these court cases and possibly wind up
Speaker 4: in prison. So him winning the presidency from jail at
Speaker 4: this moment is the statistical most likely outcome. So I
Speaker 4: was trying to figure out can you do that? And
Speaker 4: the answer is it's never happened before, so we don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what is a does he get like
Speaker 2: a briefing through like the plate glass and like on
Speaker 2: that phone, you know, like how to even do that
Speaker 2: kind of shit?
Speaker 4: I see, This is what I was searching, because every
Speaker 4: article I ran into, they were digging into like the
Speaker 4: constitutional rules of is there anything that prevents him from
Speaker 4: serving an office? And the answer is no, unless there's
Speaker 4: some possible thing that if you can, you know, claim
Speaker 4: that he rebelled against the government, that could prevent him
Speaker 4: from holding off or whatever. I was more looking at
Speaker 4: the logistics up, Yeah, like wouldn't he be considered incapacitated
Speaker 4: because he can't perform the functions of the head of state,
Speaker 4: He can't do those meetings, he can't do like that
Speaker 4: would be against all sorts of rules of his incarceration.
Speaker 4: So would you just be electing his vice president, which
Speaker 4: again we don't know who that is, and it is
Speaker 4: so unprecedented, apparently it's never been considered before.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember reading things about like what would happen if
Speaker 2: he went to jail, not really talking about if it's
Speaker 2: possible that he is president from there. And a lot
Speaker 2: of people are pointing out because you have that like
Speaker 2: lifetime secret Service detail, the logistics of trying to protect
Speaker 2: someone who's incarcerated, like that already becomes like murky, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, maybe it would just
Speaker 2: end up being house arrest because of like that fact
Speaker 2: or whatever. But yeah, there's a lot of unanswered questions
Speaker 2: as to like mechanically how any of that wor.
Speaker 1: Think we're like picturing him in an orange jumpsuit in
Speaker 1: prison yard the prison yards that we've seen in movies,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any way that ends up happening, right,
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna come up with some modified solution where
Speaker 1: he is like or a deferred sentence or something along
Speaker 1: those lines. But I also don't think the jail that
Speaker 1: he would go to, even if were he not elected president,
Speaker 1: would look anything like the jails that we're imagining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it wouldn't be like san Quentin in the
Speaker 2: Metallica video.
Speaker 1: No, Like yeah, oh, I feel like he would be
Speaker 1: like he would have a lot of credibility and you
Speaker 1: know who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean again, that's like that thought experiment is also wild,
Speaker 2: Like what happens if he were to go in gen pop?
Speaker 2: Like you know, the skinheads are.
Speaker 3: Like, hey man, we got your back.
Speaker 4: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: Does it go for bullwarth on us is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's impossible to know.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we don't spend a lot of time paying
Speaker 1: attention to pulling, but just generally he underpolls, like he
Speaker 1: doesn't perform well in as well in polls as he
Speaker 1: does in elections, and he is winning in the poll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're you're right, it's pretty like stagger, like he's
Speaker 1: if the election is tomorrow, and it's not like he's
Speaker 1: riding a wave of good fortune at this point. He
Speaker 1: is winning the election while being the most indicted human
Speaker 1: being in the United States. So I don't know what happens,
Speaker 1: but it does feel like we are headed towards you know,
Speaker 1: an answer on this experiment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really fucked up for sure.
Speaker 1: Cool country, Jason.
Speaker 2: What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: I know for a fact I have said this on
Speaker 4: previous appearances, but Twitter as a place to follow a
Speaker 4: big news story, as bad as it may have been
Speaker 4: in the past, it's now you now can't use it
Speaker 4: for that. And I'm saying that. You say, well, who
Speaker 4: still thinks that? I'm telling you a lot of people
Speaker 4: are trying to use it for that because following the
Speaker 4: situation in Gaza with Israel, Twitter became instantly became such
Speaker 4: a cesspool of misinformation, faked clips, faked headlines. It became
Speaker 4: usually before if you knew who to follow, you could
Speaker 4: sort through the garbage and track what was actually happening
Speaker 4: with a mass shooting or Ukraine or something that situation.
Speaker 4: From the moment it happened in early October the seventh
Speaker 4: or whatever it was, From this the very start, it
Speaker 4: just became a fog of war, of lies and propaganda
Speaker 4: and AI deep fakes and everything whatever. All of the
Speaker 4: people Elon Musk has fired from the Trust and Safety team,
Speaker 4: all of those moderators, all those people that he thought
Speaker 4: was constraining the freedom of speech. Now with this event
Speaker 4: not just a big event, but an emotionally charged event
Speaker 4: that a highly put sized one, this was the one
Speaker 4: that totally broke Twitter for me in terms of a
Speaker 4: place to learn information, right, because I found myself knowing
Speaker 4: less about the situation spending an hour on Twitter than
Speaker 4: if I just didn't read anything at all.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because like on top of the lack of moderation,
Speaker 2: there's also just like just a general fog of war,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of times we think that
Speaker 2: we can get like you know, news from the front
Speaker 2: line in real time and like in an environment where
Speaker 2: journalists on the ground have limited access to things, and
Speaker 2: then we're like, yeah, but it's tweeted, so this must
Speaker 2: be what's happening. There's like so many layers to sort
Speaker 2: of combat and go through that. Yet like it's, yeah,
Speaker 2: we were talking about this like for the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. It's just it's impossible to like find solid
Speaker 2: ground on certain things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mess.
Speaker 1: It feels like in hearing people when you hear people
Speaker 1: interviewed who worked for Twitter prior to La Musk, and
Speaker 1: like they felt like they were just racing from like
Speaker 1: one crack in the damn to the other, just like
Speaker 1: barely holding it together, you know, like working around the
Speaker 1: clock to like stop disinformation. They're in a race with
Speaker 1: all these you know, the forces of capital and the
Speaker 1: forces of you know, just any people chaos, just wanting
Speaker 1: to like sew disinformation discord, and you know they suddenly stopped.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, it's it's like that this was
Speaker 1: a around the clock pursuit just to like keep it
Speaker 1: usable serviceable right still with lots of disinformation and then
Speaker 1: he just fired all of them. So yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a deluge of bullshit at this point.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately that you can pay to have your your signal boosted,
Speaker 4: if you know, for eight bucks. Yeah, so it's like,
Speaker 4: well that's now what filters up. But that's a very
Speaker 4: small amount to pay if you've got an agenda you
Speaker 4: want to push. And again, if you are just on
Speaker 4: there because you want to yell at people and quote
Speaker 4: tweet people and try to score points from your for
Speaker 4: your side and have a bunch of arguments and basically
Speaker 4: take something like the the the bombing of that hospital
Speaker 4: and turn it into just dunking on each other the
Speaker 4: way two sports fandoms do. Then Twitter is still great
Speaker 4: for that if you're trying to just find out what's
Speaker 4: going on, Like I just want to know what's going on.
Speaker 4: I want to be I'm not on there to try
Speaker 4: to dunk on people. I want to know what has happened.
Speaker 4: Impossible if there's such a just a torrent of people
Speaker 4: yelling genocide at each other and just saying the most
Speaker 4: horrible things they can say, and then you've got the
Speaker 4: actual Nazis joining in, right, It's like why I don't
Speaker 4: want to be on their side, but it's like why
Speaker 4: am I seeing them at all?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right, It's like, oh, now, now I remember, this is
Speaker 4: the new Twitter. This is not Twitter.
Speaker 2: This is X eight bucks, where you have like real
Speaker 2: neo Nazi type people who have like the like squeaky
Speaker 2: clean app guitar and suddenly like they've become the source
Speaker 2: of news. But a lot of people are pointing out
Speaker 2: there like, uh, this guy's an actual Nazi, so like
Speaker 2: be careful what his like actual sentiments are here, Like
Speaker 2: this sort of conveniently overlaps with his worldview, and there
Speaker 2: isn't like he doesn't have actual care for anyone in
Speaker 2: this situation. He's just able to try and attack, you know,
Speaker 2: like the like Jewish people as a whole. And I've
Speaker 2: seen like there's a couple accounts like that where I've
Speaker 2: been like, oh, this person's posting a lot, and then
Speaker 2: like other sort of extremist monitoring people are like, this
Speaker 2: person's a fucking Nazi.
Speaker 3: Like just so you know, don't get your fucking news
Speaker 3: from him.
Speaker 4: Profits from your engagement now, yeah, yeah, because remember that's
Speaker 4: not part of the model. So if they make you
Speaker 4: angry enough, like you, you're putting money in their pockets.
Speaker 4: Do you understand they're getting paid for your dunks now?
Speaker 4: But anyway, so please everyone stop using it for that.
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be using it at all. I realize that,
Speaker 4: but but it's hard to give it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what is what?
Speaker 2: Something you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: Apparently we've been severely underrating the money making potential of
Speaker 4: movies for adults. The Scorsese film did very well last week,
Speaker 4: and now it had an incredibly high budget, but it
Speaker 4: performed very well. And obviously this is coming off the
Speaker 4: summer when the Oppenheimer movie, a biopic of Freakin' Robert Oppenheimer,
Speaker 4: made of a billion dollars worldwide, made more than any
Speaker 4: of the recent Marvel movies has made. There is clearly
Speaker 4: they have clearly created a void of demand for movies
Speaker 4: for grown ups. And it's because once one time the
Speaker 4: narrative was, well, it's just it's just Tom Cruise, the
Speaker 4: last movie star. He's the only one keeping at the loft.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, not really, the last question of possible
Speaker 4: movie did not do well, But there clearly are adults
Speaker 4: who want to go out to the theater with their families,
Speaker 4: or and not watch the Mario Brothers movie. They want
Speaker 4: to see something for grown ups that looks good on
Speaker 4: a big screen.
Speaker 3: Some adults Brothers movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, laugh, Mario was brother the movie Christian genius man.
Speaker 4: His voice, how does he do those voices? He just
Speaker 4: disappears into every role.
Speaker 2: Hey it's me Mario. Oh my god, Chris, I've.
Speaker 3: Done it again. Shape shifter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Oppenheimer thing, is worth Like, yeah, at
Speaker 1: the time, it was part of this Barbenheimer Boppenheimer phenomenon
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I feel like we rushed past the fact
Speaker 1: that a biopic of Robert Oppenheimer made almost a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: That's doesn't really make sense and doesn't cohere to any
Speaker 1: form of Hollywood logic, you know, Is it just it's
Speaker 1: just because it's Nolan and when you have a filmmaker
Speaker 1: but like has what when Stanley Kubrick was making movies
Speaker 1: like people, people weren't rushing out to see them, like
Speaker 1: like it was a blockbuster, you know, Like this this
Speaker 1: feels like it's a new phenomenon that we haven't really seen.
Speaker 1: Like a director who anything he puts out is just
Speaker 1: like that's gonna make a billion dollars and it can
Speaker 1: be like a dry ass you know, look at and
Speaker 1: not now that this was like a dry boring movie,
Speaker 1: but it's it's pretty remarkable and very adult of us.
Speaker 1: And I must compliment we the movie going public. All right,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back. We're back, as we covered
Speaker 1: yesterday's trending. We do have a speaker of the house.
Speaker 1: Guy's kind of boring. You need to be a seditionist too,
Speaker 1: He's kind of boring.
Speaker 2: He's tied to like hate group, kind of like a
Speaker 2: like a Antiica transphot Yeah you know he said marijuana
Speaker 2: is a gateway drug anyway. Yeah, Yeah, that's again run
Speaker 2: of the mill stuff.
Speaker 4: I think we read on your creationists believe yeah, doesn't
Speaker 4: believe in evolution.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I feel like the night before when people
Speaker 2: were like asking questions like hey, did you, like you know,
Speaker 2: you voted against certifying the election, that the like all
Speaker 2: the republics are like, boo, stop bringing up fucking reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, good, good taste of things to come.
Speaker 1: But it feels like they've done this more out of
Speaker 1: embarrassment and exhaustion than anything else, like, and they've just like,
Speaker 1: all right, we got to get behind somebody. And because
Speaker 1: of the way that I don't know, group dynamics work,
Speaker 1: like the people further to the right are the ones
Speaker 1: who come break through at that part, like just full
Speaker 1: boat maga guy is the one they all cohere.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, and I'm sure the death threats helped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Gym Jordan death threats or they death threats
Speaker 1: once people were like, oh, I'm getting like people are
Speaker 1: calling my wife and threatening us because I voted against
Speaker 1: Jim Jordan.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that that probably helped to to get
Speaker 2: have people.
Speaker 3: Fall inline at some point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but ultimately, like the principled moderate Republicans,
Speaker 1: like those are the principles that seem to wear down
Speaker 1: first because they don't actually care about them.
Speaker 3: I feel like, but yeah, as.
Speaker 1: We talked about yesterday, this guy's like real extremist piece
Speaker 1: of shit masquerading as a boring guy with glasses. So
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's how they got away
Speaker 1: with it. They were like, he looks like kind of
Speaker 1: a normal boring guy, right.
Speaker 2: Nah, oh no, oh no, yeah, yeah, this is how
Speaker 2: he looks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, plutch twist. What I'm rooting for is sometime in
Speaker 4: the next few months, a court somewhere will rule that,
Speaker 4: in fact, Donald Trump did win the twenty twenty election,
Speaker 4: he has been president this whole time, and therefore is
Speaker 4: ineligible to run in twenty two twenty four. Wow, because
Speaker 4: that would be a third term.
Speaker 2: So you're right, we agree.
Speaker 4: Finally we've come around.
Speaker 3: We're right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They just pull the chair on them, like that term
Speaker 1: in basketball when you're guarding someone in the post and
Speaker 1: then you just like get out of their way and
Speaker 1: they fall backwards like they're just like actually, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're ready one uh and we're good here,
Speaker 2: little political ikdo there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about about this New York Times
Speaker 1: article about the Gilgo Beach serial killer. It's a long
Speaker 1: read that was in the paper I guess about a
Speaker 1: week ago, but it ties into something that we were
Speaker 1: talking about, I guess on Monday's episode because I recently
Speaker 1: rewatched the movie Zodiac and seeing it again, like after
Speaker 1: having I didn't realize how old that movie was. Like
Speaker 1: that movie came out like you know, two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, like forever ago, and the first
Speaker 1: time I saw it was like in theaters and I
Speaker 1: hadn't Like we did a bunch of cracked articles on
Speaker 1: like police incompetence and like the you know, pseudo science
Speaker 1: of police science and stuff like that, and I don't
Speaker 1: think we had done those I don't think I had
Speaker 1: done that research when that movie first came out, and
Speaker 1: just like seeing it again through those eyes, it's like
Speaker 1: the story of like they catch the Zodiac Killer pretty
Speaker 1: early on in the movie, Like there's just a lead
Speaker 1: suspect who there's no explanation for all the like he
Speaker 1: like described the killings to somebody like a year before
Speaker 1: they happened, and like it was like, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call myself Zodiac Killer and like kill all these people
Speaker 1: and then send letters to the media.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He's just like the most guilty anyone's ever been. But
Speaker 1: then because of bullshit police science, they rule him out
Speaker 1: and then he eventually like they ask the only eyewitness
Speaker 1: to the Zodiac kill or like who he shot and
Speaker 1: almost killed, like to identify it, and they're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's the guy who said he was gonna be the
Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer. That's that's him. That's the last time I
Speaker 1: saw him. He was a zodiac killing me. But anyways,
Speaker 1: so I was in that mind frame when I'm reading
Speaker 1: this New York Times article about this serial killer who
Speaker 1: was on the loose in Long Island for a long time,
Speaker 1: and first of all, like one of the leads of
Speaker 1: the investigation, like I think he's like the DA or
Speaker 1: maybe he's the chief of Police's last name is Spoda,
Speaker 1: And he is the closest I've ever seen a real
Speaker 1: human being come to embodying the mayor from Jaws. Like
Speaker 1: he keeps having press conferences where he's like insisting that
Speaker 1: there's no reason to believe this is a serial killer,
Speaker 1: right and not just like their beach is like a
Speaker 1: dumping ground for multiple killers and so like, don't get
Speaker 1: your panties in a bunch. It's just like people like
Speaker 1: to dump by here. You don't know that it's the
Speaker 1: same person. Yeah, wasn't he getting defensive? Like when the
Speaker 1: Feds were like, hey, hey, find a new angle, it
Speaker 1: ain't here, It's like yes, yes, So the FEDS keep
Speaker 1: coming in, Like the FBI keeps coming in and being
Speaker 1: like we want to help you because you have a
Speaker 1: serial killer, like, and we have access to technology you
Speaker 1: don't have access to, Like we've been tracking cell phone
Speaker 1: data from the nights of the killings, and we've got
Speaker 1: like the killer was using a burner phone to interact
Speaker 1: with the people who he would then murder, sex workers,
Speaker 1: like who he was hiring on Craigslist. And they were like,
Speaker 1: but what we can do is we can take like
Speaker 1: any calls that were hit those same cell towers, like
Speaker 1: around the same time as the burner, like if he
Speaker 1: then switched from burner to his other phone, Like we
Speaker 1: can just do that and cross reference to that and like,
Speaker 1: you know, find it pretty quick, probably find your killer
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. And this SPOTA guy is like, this is
Speaker 1: our town. I say, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's a fishing expedition. Is just doesn't he
Speaker 1: refuses to accept the help because he is running like
Speaker 1: one of the most corrupt like police forces in the world,
Speaker 1: Like it's just crazy. So he doesn't want outside eyes
Speaker 1: in and so I don't know. In one instance, they
Speaker 1: go to the house of the last victim, like the
Speaker 1: woman whose body they found, and they like they interview
Speaker 1: the people who she was living with, and they're like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we saw the guy. Like he has a green Chevy
Speaker 1: Avalanche with a custom door. It's like not normal on
Speaker 1: green Chevy Avalanche. Also, he's six foot four. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: a white guy with like big bushy hair, and like
Speaker 1: he lives close by to where they are doing doing
Speaker 1: this interview. But they like run a check in a
Speaker 1: database and it doesn't immediately find the car, and they
Speaker 1: give up that.
Speaker 3: They give up that lead like it's a it's.
Speaker 1: A rare car, a rare like a very rare color
Speaker 1: of car, and he's six foot four, right, it's and
Speaker 1: they just don't do anything with it. They just don't
Speaker 1: fucking do anything. It's over and over. It's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you could have saved so many lives, you could have
Speaker 1: just done that. Like it it's very basic human like
Speaker 1: problem solving that they just refuse to do, either because
Speaker 1: they're like wildly incompetent, like illogically unexpectedly like I didn't
Speaker 1: know people came that incompetent, or they're like they just
Speaker 1: like don't want to solve it because they don't want attention,
Speaker 1: or I don't I don't know, but there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of shit just throughout this article. It's really worth a read.
Speaker 1: I'll link off to it in the footnote. Okay, as a.
Speaker 4: Somebody who is a fan of true crime podcasts, I'm
Speaker 4: telling you this is every serial killer.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, this is what I like. True crime.
Speaker 1: I think is at least partially popular because it's the
Speaker 1: first like genre that just gets at the reality that
Speaker 1: we've all been living with that like the police, like
Speaker 1: don't are not going to help you?
Speaker 4: Like on that show mind Hunter on Netflix. They made
Speaker 4: Edmund Kemper famous, the six foot nine serial killer with
Speaker 4: the mustache. The way ed mc kemper got caught, he
Speaker 4: called the local cops and said, I'm the serial killer.
Speaker 4: I can't stop. I can't stop myself. I just killed
Speaker 4: my mother. They hung up on him. They thought it
Speaker 4: was a prank, nice track. He had to call them
Speaker 4: back because they knew him. It was a small town
Speaker 4: like they knew ed Kemper. He had he was known
Speaker 4: to the cops. He come by. I said, no, listen,
Speaker 4: this is not a joke. I've just killed my mother.
Speaker 4: If you come by, you can see her corpse to
Speaker 4: prove on telling you the truth. And only didn't that
Speaker 4: they reluctantly believe him. The most prolific killer in American
Speaker 4: history is a guy named Samuel Little. He's killed at
Speaker 4: least sixty people. He claims it was closer to one hundred.
Speaker 4: He was arrested because he went to a homeless shelter,
Speaker 4: and they, I guess when homeless people check in, they
Speaker 4: run their names to see if they've got any drug warrants,
Speaker 4: because why not just go ahead and arrest them if
Speaker 4: you got them there? And yeah, he popped for the
Speaker 4: small drug warrants. They picked him up for that, and
Speaker 4: then only then ran his DNA. He's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: guy killed sixty people.
Speaker 1: Oh right, it's you. He's the guy, like the DNA
Speaker 1: we've been looking for in those sixty open murder cases.
Speaker 4: Everything we like to believe about, you know, these CSI
Speaker 4: shows and they've got the hologram that recreates the victim's
Speaker 4: skull and all of that, like that technology stuff exists,
Speaker 4: but there's incentive that it's hard to get into it here.
Speaker 4: But local police do not want to believe they've got
Speaker 4: a serial killer like you would think they'd be eager to.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh my gosh, we've caught the Golden State
Speaker 4: strangler or whatever, like we're going to be famous, I'm
Speaker 4: going to get a book deal. That's not how it works.
Speaker 4: They are so reluctant to acknowlogy, and I think that
Speaker 4: there's bureaucratic reasons for it, like a bunch of open
Speaker 4: cases all fall in their lap and ou it's like
Speaker 4: their problem. And also, serial murders are almost impossible to
Speaker 4: solve because the vast majority of murders, it's somebody killing somebody.
Speaker 4: They know it's a guy killing his wife or his
Speaker 4: lover or something like that. If you have a killer
Speaker 4: who's just killing because of some obsession and they're killing
Speaker 4: strangers or sex workers, almost impossible to catch them. So
Speaker 4: they never want to admit or even believe that's what
Speaker 4: it is. But Jack, one of the things we covered
Speaker 4: on Cracked was at one point Jeffrey Dahmer, one of
Speaker 4: his victims, gaped a man who he had drilled a
Speaker 4: hole in his skull to lobottomize him with acid. He
Speaker 4: was walking naked down the street. The neighbors called and said, Hey,
Speaker 4: this guy is walking naked on the street. I think
Speaker 4: he came from this jeff dah Dahmer's apartment. I think
Speaker 4: they're gay. It's his gay lever. The cops picked up
Speaker 4: the naked man, took him back to Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment,
Speaker 4: noted that it smelled like rotten meat, and said, hey,
Speaker 4: this guy got out, here's your boyfriend back, and then
Speaker 4: chuckled because like, oh, they're gay. Who knows what weird gay?
Speaker 4: The guy was bleeding from his head and they walked out.
Speaker 4: And both those guys not only are still police officers,
Speaker 4: but they are they were later promoted and are very successful.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially when the victim is someone that
Speaker 1: is easy for the police and the mainstream media to other,
Speaker 1: like you know, sex workers in the case of the
Speaker 1: gilg Beach killings, or you know, in the case of
Speaker 1: the Dahmer thing, you know, someone who's gay, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they just must be into weird, weird things. But it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty like they just don't want to do the work.
Speaker 1: It's like it's i mean, on the one hand, it's
Speaker 1: easy to identify with like that of just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I just got so much more work. But
Speaker 1: there's got to be a way to set up the
Speaker 1: incentive structure so that people aren't just like the police
Speaker 1: aren't hiding the fact that there's a serial killer happening,
Speaker 1: you know, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It feels like like cops sort of think that like
Speaker 2: people don't understand how anything works, so they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're on the case.
Speaker 3: It's like we're ignoring leads.
Speaker 2: We don't know what the fuck's going on and are
Speaker 2: sort of and only now like as more and more
Speaker 2: people sort of observe and analyze how sort of these
Speaker 2: cases work, they're like, what the fuck are you guys doing?
Speaker 2: Like every every case is a fuck up. It feels
Speaker 2: like or you guys pressing it to be like the
Speaker 2: wrong you know, wrongfully convicting someone just you can be like,
Speaker 2: all right, wrap that one up. That's a successful caller, moving.
Speaker 3: On to keep the numbers up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's wild because like what they got
Speaker 2: them They got this Gilgo Beach guy, because like they
Speaker 2: they got a pizza box and got the DNA off
Speaker 2: like the crust, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they eventually made it a priority. Yeah, after they
Speaker 1: got the there were multiple people like the chief of
Speaker 1: police for a long period during when the case was
Speaker 1: going unsolved and really like uninvestigated. It was like multiple
Speaker 1: people's part time job, but nobody was like a full
Speaker 1: there was no full time task force looking into it.
Speaker 1: Was this guy who started out as a fourteen year
Speaker 1: old who lied on behalf of like who was a
Speaker 1: witness to a crime that the police needed like a
Speaker 1: witness for, and so people think like he just would
Speaker 1: lie for the police, like starting at age fourteen, and
Speaker 1: he became this more powerful guy's kind of stooge. And
Speaker 1: then there's like this long period of the case where
Speaker 1: he's like using the police force to investigate like an
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend and like harass her exes and like her son,
Speaker 1: and then he like beats a witness for like touching
Speaker 1: a bag that he has that's full of porn, and
Speaker 1: then like is like spends it all this time, like
Speaker 1: engaging in a year long cover up while failing to
Speaker 1: follow up on like the obvious leads in this case,
Speaker 1: in this serial killer case, and there's like a serial
Speaker 1: killer stalking his community in his jurisdiction, and he's too
Speaker 1: busy like engaging in a cover So eventually those two
Speaker 1: get taken down and then like a single competent person
Speaker 1: is able to like come in and Basically, they find
Speaker 1: all of this evidence in boxes not digitized. They send
Speaker 1: it down to Quantico, it gets digitized, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just need to like find this green Chabby abblue that.
Speaker 2: This is the guy with the bush.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's this six or four guy with bushy hair
Speaker 1: who's like where the cell phone records were, like he worked.
Speaker 1: They knew the guy worked in midtown Manhattan and lived
Speaker 1: in this like small area on Long Island, and he
Speaker 1: fit that description. And so after following he was like
Speaker 1: an avid hunter. One of the things, like all the
Speaker 1: bodies were wrapped in this burlap that suggested that the
Speaker 1: person was a hunter. They like pulled hunting licenses and
Speaker 1: then like forgot to follow up on it. This guy
Speaker 1: was a hunter who had ninety seven registered guns, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they they just what Once they looked at the evidence,
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, it's the like, this is the
Speaker 1: fifth thing we have pointing to this guy who's like
Speaker 1: obviously the killer.
Speaker 3: And then they ran a DNA.
Speaker 2: All right, look at his search history. Let's see if
Speaker 2: it's really the guy. Oh he's googling Gilgo Beach serial
Speaker 2: killer a bunch and the victims. Yeah, like I saw
Speaker 2: that part to him like what the fuck? Yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: could be this guy could be this might be this actually.
Speaker 1: And then like all the killings happened when his wife
Speaker 1: would leave town that they like SYNCD up with his
Speaker 1: wife would like go on a vacation, and then the
Speaker 1: serial killing what happened?
Speaker 3: Would have thought crazy story.
Speaker 1: We'll link off to it in the footnotes. Let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, Miles, your alma mater is doing the lord's
Speaker 1: work and asking twins.
Speaker 2: Asking teens, what are your what are you horny?
Speaker 4: For?
Speaker 2: Y'all young adults, this cohort age cohort from ten to
Speaker 2: twenty four what are y'all into? And the results are
Speaker 2: not too surprising, giving what we know about loneliness and
Speaker 2: the lack of originality in Hollywood. Nearly half of these
Speaker 2: respondents like this is the annual Teens and Screens Report
Speaker 2: from UCLA. Yeah, thank you so much, Jocko Bruns. Nearly
Speaker 2: half of the respondents said that sex and romance are
Speaker 2: too prominent in the media they're consuming. Over half said
Speaker 2: they want to see shows and movies that are centered
Speaker 2: around friendships and platonic relationships. They are definitely they're not
Speaker 2: interested in shows where they feel the messages like you
Speaker 2: need to be in a relationship to be happy, or
Speaker 2: predictable plots like the man and the woman get together
Speaker 2: at the end, And they damn sure are not into
Speaker 2: love triangles. They feel like that shit is so tired.
Speaker 2: And I'd imagine presumably that's from watching a fuck ton
Speaker 2: of Twilight and Hunger Games and being like, okay, bro,
Speaker 2: like we get it, Like there's fucking these love triangles
Speaker 2: power everything. And another really interesting thing was, like last
Speaker 2: year's report, I remember we talked about this they wanted
Speaker 2: to see, and this was this again what I think
Speaker 2: was sort of translated to when people said they want
Speaker 2: to see lives unlike my own, like shows like in
Speaker 2: that category, they're like, oh, more diversity, Like they want
Speaker 2: to see diverse stories, which is true. But now this
Speaker 2: year they're also saying, we want shows that are showing
Speaker 2: me lives like my own, or movies like my own
Speaker 2: that show lives like my own, where it's not the
Speaker 2: sort of like sensationalized hyper romance shit. There's this one
Speaker 2: psychologist at UCLA who's working on it, who's just saying
Speaker 2: that the results are part of quote. There's been a
Speaker 2: wide ranging discourse among teens about the meaning of community.
Speaker 2: In the aftermath of COVID nineteen and the isolation that
Speaker 2: came with it, teens are looking to media as a
Speaker 2: third place where they can connect and have a sense
Speaker 2: of belonging, and with frightening headlines about climate change, pandemics,
Speaker 2: and global destabilization, it makes sense they're gravitating towards what's
Speaker 2: most familiar in those spaces. So the message, like overall
Speaker 2: too is they're saying, knock off the romantic bs, show
Speaker 2: us real life and they're fucking done with remakes and reboots,
Speaker 2: like originality please.
Speaker 4: The.
Speaker 1: Like not wanting the romance is just so different from
Speaker 1: what I grew up with, like the media I grew
Speaker 1: up with. If a male character and a female character, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if two characters were friends, people were like,
Speaker 1: why are they just friends?
Speaker 3: Like why?
Speaker 1: It became a will they won't they? You know, like
Speaker 1: why am I not watching them make out with each other?
Speaker 3: If they are.
Speaker 1: A man and a woman, And there was usually an answer,
Speaker 1: you know that The answer was usually like because they're
Speaker 1: building sexual tension or because Ralph Maccio is forty five
Speaker 1: years old in Karate Kid three, and the love interest
Speaker 1: is like sixteen, and he was like, this is weird,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting that like
Speaker 1: this feels like a huge shift in how people kind
Speaker 1: of think about the stories that they consume.
Speaker 4: Do you take anyone under the age of say forty,
Speaker 4: and have them watch any selection of eighties action movies
Speaker 4: or comedies, they are stunned. Stunned by the amount of
Speaker 4: casual nudity in those movies. Like they used to find
Speaker 4: any excuse for the women to pop their boobs out,
Speaker 4: any excuse. This was the trend well into the nineties.
Speaker 4: But the movies I grew up with, like it was
Speaker 4: a whole thing. It wasn't like these are specifically sex
Speaker 4: movies or horny movies. It's just a comedy, any teen comedy.
Speaker 4: Especially thing said in high school college you were going
Speaker 4: to see thirty to forty pairs of boobs in the
Speaker 4: course of the movie. Movies are so chased now, like
Speaker 4: the Mission Impossible movies, you know, but one of the
Speaker 4: biggest action franchises right now, like Tom Cruise doesn't hang
Speaker 4: dong in that he doesn't whip out his dick at
Speaker 4: any point that equivalent franchise. I feel like you would
Speaker 4: have seen if it was Stallone, like Stallone gets naked
Speaker 4: in Demolition Man. Hell yeah, finds an excuse. They had
Speaker 4: their the cut of the movie with his with his
Speaker 4: penis in it, just straight up his his dick in
Speaker 4: the movie. And so it's weird.
Speaker 1: And there's a whole scene where he like immediately has
Speaker 1: to figure out how to fuck like his partner, like
Speaker 1: his professional partner. They're like, well, and now we have
Speaker 1: sex with each other. Obviously the movie hints is his
Speaker 1: daughter in the opening scenes, because the whole thing is
Speaker 1: he goes to the futures like, I, where's my daughter
Speaker 1: and to try out. They cut that scene from the
Speaker 1: movie because so because then the the director's cut whatever,
Speaker 1: he meets his daughter in that underground community. So everybody thought, oh,
Speaker 1: Sandra Bullock is his daughter. That's gonna be the twist.
Speaker 1: That's why she's so in the eighties and shares his personality.
Speaker 4: And then they it's like, oh, they're gonna start start
Speaker 4: boning and he and anyway, the boint being it is
Speaker 4: very weird to see how clean movies are now, But
Speaker 4: of course it's in We did not have pornography in
Speaker 4: the eighties. You couldn't get it, Like you would have
Speaker 4: to go to the counter at like a game station
Speaker 4: and buy it, and they wouldn't sell it to you,
Speaker 4: so you had to have an older relative who had
Speaker 4: a stash they would show you. Otherwise this was your
Speaker 4: only chance to see anything like that. Where now porn
Speaker 4: is so ubiquitous that it's hard to avoid, Like it's
Speaker 4: hard to avoid on a platform like TikTok or Instagram
Speaker 4: accounts that are just they're there to feed you into
Speaker 4: an OnlyFans account like they're sex workers, which is fine,
Speaker 4: but it's hard to avoid, Like if you don't want
Speaker 4: that on your Instagram, it's hard to get rid of it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I can see now it's fascinating to actually hear teenagers,
Speaker 4: which are you know, allegedly the horniest of the population,
Speaker 4: say no, I want movies that are about some other
Speaker 4: kind of relationship. I don't want everything to be about
Speaker 4: sex or about will these two people have sex? When Yeah,
Speaker 4: it used to be in an action movie, like the
Speaker 4: guy had to get the girl at the.
Speaker 2: End, right, and it's like when the same way, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh man, it's like I don't have access to porn,
Speaker 2: so I watch these movies. It's like I'm to feel
Speaker 2: alone and isolated. So that's like the new commodity. So
Speaker 2: can the things I consume contain that thing that I'm
Speaker 2: yearning for, which is like like a some kind of
Speaker 2: like sincere portrayal of friendship rather than yeah we used
Speaker 2: to have friendship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you just had like you you were constantly
Speaker 1: interacting with people and you know, maybe more more than
Speaker 1: you would like in my case as an introvert, but
Speaker 1: like you know, you constantly Like that wasn't the commodity.
Speaker 1: The porn was, right, you had to go to the
Speaker 1: woods to find the porn exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some yeah, some zip lock bag with
Speaker 2: a couple magazines, so it'd be okay in the rain.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was by the way.
Speaker 1: The thing that the one of the reasons that the
Speaker 1: police chief beat up somebody was they like opened up
Speaker 1: his party bag in the Gilgo Beach killing, which was
Speaker 1: just a bag full of porn. You just had a
Speaker 1: bag full of porn, and you like beat the ship
Speaker 1: out of somebody for opening it. And then that was
Speaker 1: like kicked off his whole cover up. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean my one of my favorite movies as a kid,
Speaker 1: die Hard, has a moment where like Bruce Willis, like
Speaker 1: it has multiple like people just like getting pulled, Like
Speaker 1: when the terrorists come, they get like pulled out of
Speaker 1: an office and they're like a woman is topless and
Speaker 1: they're like in the middle of having sex and then
Speaker 1: like wow, they were like that's not enough nudity. When
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis is running away and like hiding from the terrorists,
Speaker 1: he's going to see a naked woman. I think it's
Speaker 1: like a magazine pin up and like like out loud
Speaker 1: actively decide not to jack off during this terrorist situation.
Speaker 2: He's like, nah, ladies, ah, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Do it right now? Not right now?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it was just such a such a thing.
Speaker 1: Everyone was so horny. It was just like popping through
Speaker 1: the surface.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think there's also too right, Like
Speaker 2: we were talking about this I think yesterday about just
Speaker 2: how younger people are more informed now and they're much savvier,
Speaker 2: so they they sense bullshit a lot quicker than like
Speaker 2: I would as like a thirteen year old and things
Speaker 2: like that, So like authenticity is like the real thing
Speaker 2: that they're like looking for because it feels like everything
Speaker 2: around them is just some weird, fake vapor wave vaporware
Speaker 2: version of like real life and like so then they
Speaker 2: talk about too like for them. And I know, Jason,
Speaker 2: you talked about this. Maybe one of the last times
Speaker 2: you came on was just how everyone's on TikTok and
Speaker 2: now all those kids that are on there, like this
Speaker 2: is actually the most authentic media platform for us, because
Speaker 2: I'd rather just see someone work their shift at McDonald's
Speaker 2: or something and share that versus some like hyper overly
Speaker 2: produced like big budget YouTube video or something like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh, I think I think it's a
Speaker 2: good trend and I hope that, you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: if Hollywood gets that message where they're like they don't
Speaker 2: like things based on comic books or video games that
Speaker 2: their parents liked. Hmm, okay, maybe we'll make something original now,
Speaker 2: but we'll see, we'll see TBD.
Speaker 4: We do think that it's interesting that part of the
Speaker 4: fantasy is watching friends, Like the whole idea of if
Speaker 4: you've lost a lot of real life friendships, now that
Speaker 4: is a fantasy to engage in. It is like what
Speaker 4: if somebody had a gang of friends and that they
Speaker 4: they find that as a form of pornography because it's like,
Speaker 4: this is something I can watch and imagine myself, what
Speaker 4: if I had all of those friends. You know, I'll
Speaker 4: watch Stranger Things, a show about loaners and losers. But
Speaker 4: this group of loaners and losers have eleven friends, right,
Speaker 4: they could. They could form an entire football team if
Speaker 4: they wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's funny.
Speaker 2: Stranger Things was listed as one of like their like
Speaker 2: top series for this group of people because again they
Speaker 2: despite the romantic tension that exists here and there, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we like that. That end the Summer I Turned Pretty
Speaker 2: was another one that got high marks from them.
Speaker 1: Is that not a I would have assumed that that
Speaker 1: was like a romantic bit, like a show about romances,
Speaker 1: but it's just a show about friendships basically.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because it is about a
Speaker 2: love drunk. Oh okay, it's I think because it's more
Speaker 2: talking about like I think for younger audiences, they just
Speaker 2: like that it's like this high school thing that sort
Speaker 2: of feels like a crush triangle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think that the content that has been very
Speaker 1: popular for a while has already been reflecting this. I
Speaker 1: think part of Nolan's popularity is that he is an
Speaker 1: incredibly sexless director.
Speaker 3: I've talked about that.
Speaker 1: Before, like that Oppenheimer was like his attempt to like
Speaker 1: make a sexy movie, but like all those sex scenes
Speaker 1: were like very weird and felt alien and yeah.
Speaker 2: Like just just someone who has been intimate with another person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like it'sn't comfortable with it. And like I
Speaker 1: think that's also true of the superhero movie these that
Speaker 1: were like incredibly dominant for a long time, like the
Speaker 1: the Avengers movie, like the the one love like relationship
Speaker 1: with like Black Widow. Was it Black Widow and Hulk
Speaker 1: had a relationship at some point in there was.
Speaker 2: I famously have not seen those movies. Maybe some Victor
Speaker 2: Victor came in with the producer Victor. Yep, it was them,
Speaker 2: Like they they had a graphic sex scene.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, you're right, that is that's just the
Speaker 1: fan art that I yeah ordered, it's the AI stuff
Speaker 1: you've been making.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: No, but that that part also like jumped out to me.
Speaker 1: It's like, God, this feels really weird and like forced,
Speaker 1: So like I feel I feel like the art has
Speaker 1: also like been reflecting this for a while and people
Speaker 1: are just you know, we're just now like catching up
Speaker 1: to it. That like people want content that doesn't have
Speaker 1: sex in it or like doesn't have this like sexual
Speaker 1: or just.
Speaker 2: The message that that's the most important thing or that's
Speaker 2: how people connect is like that they have to have sex.
Speaker 2: So now the characters can like open up to each
Speaker 2: other or something, you know, like versus Yeah, sometimes you
Speaker 2: can just like be friends with people, because I feel
Speaker 2: for sure, like you know, like there's like so many
Speaker 2: men have like an inability to have like platonic relationships
Speaker 2: a lot of time with women. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of that can be reinforced from like a lifetime or
Speaker 2: your adolescence, like watching content that's like yeah, the man
Speaker 2: and the woman have to get together. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: those are the only options your failure otherwise, right, Right.
Speaker 4: She's taking advantage of you if if she doesn't give
Speaker 4: you sex, and if you are merely friends and you
Speaker 4: you are, you're a dope.
Speaker 2: You're right. And we're seeing that like pasticized into these
Speaker 2: other sort of like you know, movements or subcultures where
Speaker 2: it's sort of built on this like expectation, like, but
Speaker 2: this is what I've been sold for my whole life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like looking at seventies movies and eighties
Speaker 1: movies now, like I find it a little weird how
Speaker 1: casually everyone was having sex with one another and that
Speaker 1: that was just like a way like it was like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, why are you so uptight? And like
Speaker 1: everybody I don't know, like and I guess I kind
Speaker 1: of always did, but I was just assuming that was
Speaker 1: like what it was like to be an adult. But
Speaker 1: I yeah, I do think it's interesting that like from
Speaker 1: that era of like the seventies, we've gotten like less
Speaker 1: and less what some people would call progressive. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like this is a long
Speaker 1: continuum that's been happening and it's not just that like
Speaker 1: porn's everywhere now. I think also things were like a
Speaker 1: little weird and like during the seventies, like some of
Speaker 1: the I feel like the male gaze was just like
Speaker 1: so dominant that it like kind of got a little
Speaker 1: bit out of hand.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and again, like I think it's it's
Speaker 2: just how the growth or the difference is generationally. Again,
Speaker 2: these younger kids, they know more sooner and they know
Speaker 2: a lot more. And you look at eighties movies and stuff,
Speaker 2: it's like consent isn't even a concept that exists in
Speaker 2: those It's more like, Yo, that guy snuck in on
Speaker 2: those ladies changing and got to see boobs. He's fucking
Speaker 2: cool and you're like, what the fuck is that? What's
Speaker 2: that saying? Or like you see because sometimes I've seen
Speaker 2: on TikTok where like younger people are like looking at
Speaker 2: these movies, like what the fuck was wrong with you guys,
Speaker 2: like what is this scene? And you're like, you're right,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Did you watch me changing?
Speaker 1: Cameron?
Speaker 2: That's okay, all right?
Speaker 1: Moving along. Feris Feelers.
Speaker 4: It's like if the events of Revenge of the Nerds
Speaker 4: actually occurred, it would be an international news story. That
Speaker 4: would be they would be talking about her from the
Speaker 4: floor of Congress.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just watched one of the movies in that new
Speaker 1: Beverly Quentin Tarantino movie theater double feature, was this like
Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood like police drama serial killer thing, but like
Speaker 1: he is. He spends the movie investigating like this serial
Speaker 1: killer who keeps killing sex workers in New Orleans, but
Speaker 1: like also having sex with the sex workers, and it's
Speaker 1: clear that like the serial killer is targeting the ones
Speaker 1: that he has sex with, and he just like doesn't stop,
Speaker 1: and there's not not really like consequences for it. It's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, well that's what a man does, right.
Speaker 2: He's like, but I killed the other guy though, right,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, okay, yeah, great, lesson.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Jason Pargin, what a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 1: As always, Where can people find you? Follow you?
Speaker 3: All that good stuff.
Speaker 4: So the book that is coming out in a few
Speaker 4: days is called Zoe is Too Drunk for This Dystopia.
Speaker 4: It is the third book in the Zoe Ash series.
Speaker 4: The first one is called Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits.
Speaker 4: The second is called Zoe Punches to Future and The Dick.
Speaker 4: Those first two are up on Kindle Unlimited for free
Speaker 4: if you've got that otherwise, you could probably find very
Speaker 4: inexpensive copies of it somewhere. I can. I am on
Speaker 4: TikTok at Jason K. Pargin. I have three hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty thousand followers on there now wow, that same username.
Speaker 4: I'm on most other platforms. If you're not on TikTok
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be. That's just
Speaker 4: where that's where the people are it. It appears just
Speaker 4: where the action is.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 1: And is there a work of media or a tweet
Speaker 1: that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got this tweet here where a guy has
Speaker 4: said this New Jersey rest stop has a virtual bon
Speaker 4: Jovi we live in an era of wonders and miracles.
Speaker 4: And it has a video clip of they have a
Speaker 4: full body screen slash hologram of a John bon Jovi
Speaker 4: you can interact with as the ambassador of the state
Speaker 4: of New Jersey. I guess and yeah, this is what
Speaker 4: technology has given us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he the it's a virtual John bon Jovi
Speaker 1: in the sense of like how he's like standing awkwardly
Speaker 1: and like smiles at you and then like unfolds his
Speaker 1: arms and kind of gives you a head nod, but
Speaker 1: like doesn't really know what to do with his hand.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's exactly what Joan bon Jovi would be
Speaker 1: doing if he was in a box there and they
Speaker 1: were like, just hang out Joan bon Jovi, don't it's
Speaker 1: such a weird Yeah, They're just like this is we
Speaker 1: have John bon Jovi in a box life size and
Speaker 1: this this is what it's like.
Speaker 3: How you doing bro exactly? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: That is you're taking a pooh you're doing at number
Speaker 2: one or number two?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Man, all right, take care.
Speaker 4: Welcome New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Garden stateum.
Speaker 1: Man, Miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 2: What's working media? You've been enjoying at Miles of Gray
Speaker 2: wherever they got the at symbols. Find us on the
Speaker 2: Basketball podcast Miles and Jackot mad Boosti's the NBA season
Speaker 2: kicked off. The Lakers are right back where they ended
Speaker 2: the last season, losing to the Nuggets. It was sight
Speaker 2: to see uh. And also find me on four to
Speaker 2: twenty Day Fiance where I talk about ninety day Fiance
Speaker 2: and the Good Thief, which is true crime but without killing,
Speaker 2: talking about the Greek robin hood who is robbing the
Speaker 2: rich and giving it away. A tweet I like is
Speaker 2: from at Ryo a Wryote maybe it's Ryote and it's
Speaker 2: a graphic. It says like, I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: heard this story about the javelinas that are like these
Speaker 2: pig like animals that have been like fucking up golf
Speaker 2: courses in Arizona and people are like, why are they
Speaker 2: doing this? It's like cause you shouldn't have a fucking
Speaker 2: golf course in the desert, asshole, And they're looking for water.
Speaker 2: And the tweet has like a nice info or like
Speaker 2: a graphic, like a cartoon of the these animals like biting,
Speaker 2: like breaking in half golf clubs, and it says no
Speaker 2: place for golf in the desert. Yeah, I as an Angelino,
Speaker 2: I very strongly believe that fu fuck these golf courses
Speaker 2: or make them parks for people to fucking enjoy. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I'm just getting word in
Speaker 2: the chat from super producer Catherine that I am completely
Speaker 2: fucking up. The pronunci as is actually Hobblelina.
Speaker 3: Mister Hobblelina, mister bob Hobblelina.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes tweets, I've been enjoying. No Garfin Goal tweeted
Speaker 1: pretty wild that the Greeks pioneered drama and went straight
Speaker 1: to guy killed his dad and slept with his mom,
Speaker 1: completely skipping past dog can play sports and goofy neighbor
Speaker 1: and Eden Dranger tweeted, don't don't mean to get political.
Speaker 1: The big shout out to farts that sound like questions.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those are those are always a good time.
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