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Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: You know, we were talking just before show Confirman Marine Corps.
Speaker 3: And tell me a little bit about you know this
Speaker 3: young Miles who's like sixth grade?
Speaker 2: What's going on in your head in sixth grade?
Speaker 4: Man? Sixth grade?
Speaker 2: He's through it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: What was it? That was? That's what nine to eleven happened?
Speaker 4: Actually I was in sixth grade, yeah, and I remember.
Speaker 4: But what do you mean, like specifically, what were you
Speaker 4: doing in life? Bro?
Speaker 3: What was your goals? Because it probably was not to
Speaker 3: be an author? Miles Legosi?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 2: What's going on in seventh grade?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Were you struggling in school?
Speaker 3: Because the people that are going to listen to this,
Speaker 3: the guys like you, the kids that are fifteen, What
Speaker 3: were you up to? Man?
Speaker 2: What made you this badass today that we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I wasn't at fifteen and sixth grade. That
Speaker 4: would have been freshman year. But I think I didn't
Speaker 4: get into my head that I wanted to go to
Speaker 4: war until I was about sixteen or seventeen. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it just really it had to do with like a
Speaker 4: feeling of emptiness, you know, a kind of aimlessness.
Speaker 3: I knew I didn't want to go.
Speaker 4: To college like everybody else. I wanted to film the war.
Speaker 4: And I saw Fullmela Jacket about thirty times, and I
Speaker 4: saw that, you know, you could the main character was
Speaker 4: essentially what my job was. I saw that you could
Speaker 4: just join the Marines and they'll give you a camera
Speaker 4: and then you to war.
Speaker 2: Stars and Stripes. H you wanted to be in Stars
Speaker 2: and Stripes? Is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, make that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the reason why I want to ask that is
Speaker 3: because you know, I like to get into no. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've never really met you, and I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: you know, we want to talk about Whistles from the Graveyard,
Speaker 3: of course, which is the book that took you to
Speaker 3: where we're at today, but going through Afghanistan and combat
Speaker 3: and everything that you had to deal with. But you know,
Speaker 3: at fifteen sixth grade, fifteen junior high you know, high schooler,
Speaker 3: starting to get your learners permit, and you're like, there's
Speaker 3: a sense of emptiness, but there's something had to happen
Speaker 3: between sixth grade and that to have emptiness, right, there
Speaker 3: had to be like, do you have a good structure
Speaker 3: at home?
Speaker 2: Mom and Dad were there for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good structure at home. I just felt like I
Speaker 4: was kind of like holding Coffield type, you know, catch
Speaker 4: on the Rise, sort of just everyone thought everyone was phony,
Speaker 4: everything was fake. There wasn't really and I don't think
Speaker 4: there still is really a way for young boys, especially
Speaker 4: to test themselves. And basically that's so, you know, the
Speaker 4: main reason I joined it wasn't It wasn't really out
Speaker 4: of like patriotism or desire to serve or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, for a lot of guys that's the case,
Speaker 4: but I think the number the main issue is that
Speaker 4: they are The main impetus for people to join is
Speaker 4: to get the shit kicked out of them and to
Speaker 4: get tested. Basically.
Speaker 2: And when you turned seventeen eighteen, and did the recruiter
Speaker 2: come to you at your high school or did you
Speaker 2: go to them and say, you know, I want to
Speaker 2: be the blade on the tip of the sphere of
Speaker 2: the military and become a marine.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so I know I was going to join.
Speaker 4: I went to high school in Manhattan. They had five
Speaker 4: thousand kids in a building that looked like a prison. Basically,
Speaker 4: you know, caged windows. And I was like one of
Speaker 4: two white kids in my high school, and of course
Speaker 4: the recruiters like to target minority kids and whatnot. And
Speaker 4: I go over there and he's like, how come the
Speaker 4: only white boy in the school is the one signing up?
Speaker 4: So anyway, yeah, that was it. And then like as
Speaker 4: soon as I graduated high school, they put me on
Speaker 4: a bus and I ended up, yeah, in Paris Islands.
Speaker 3: Paras Islic because you're east of the Mississippi, so you
Speaker 3: would go to Paras Island for your recruitment and you know,
Speaker 3: they call you a boot there recruit Is that what
Speaker 3: happens when you get there? Or they call you the
Speaker 3: do they know how to say your last name correctly?
Speaker 4: They call you all kinds of things, mostly bitch mostly yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, your mouth is the cum dumpster open.
Speaker 2: You know, everything it's just coming at you.
Speaker 4: Everything takes on a new term. You know, at first
Speaker 4: you kind of think like it's us against the drill instructors, right,
Speaker 4: you know, like we stick together, we can kind of
Speaker 4: make it through together. And within about a week, I'd
Speaker 4: say everyone was was against each other and had developed
Speaker 4: an extreme form of Stockholm syndrome. You know, where they
Speaker 4: were were kind of like in love with our drill
Speaker 4: instructors and couldn't stand each other, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: that's stock That's how Stockholm syndrome works, you know. So
Speaker 4: that's that's basically what how boot Can't functions basically is
Speaker 4: a form of brainwashing but also mass punishment. Right, so
Speaker 4: if one person sucks up, just like in Full Metal Jack,
Speaker 4: one person fucks up, everyone else get just punished and
Speaker 4: that person has to watch basically, right, and so they
Speaker 4: develop a fear in you of letting down the tribe,
Speaker 4: you know, letting down the group, you know, And that's
Speaker 4: kind of how the whole system functions. That's how it's
Speaker 4: been functioning, functioning, and probably the dawn of war, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sticks and stones stick together, two people, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's yeah. There is always like that camaraderie that is instilled.
Speaker 3: But I get what you're saying, where all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they be there's this term called drill privates or
Speaker 3: you know, like they're not the drill instructor. They're just
Speaker 3: like every day they maybe they now want to be
Speaker 3: they see the drill instructor, Like why not choose that job,
Speaker 3: the power job, the job over me.
Speaker 2: Right now, you know, And they're like, I want to
Speaker 2: be that guy.
Speaker 3: I want to walk in and be like say hello
Speaker 3: in fifty different ways, but mean fifty different things.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you'd have to be insane to
Speaker 4: be a drill instructor, those guys, so that you have
Speaker 4: to go through there's boot camp, right, and then if
Speaker 4: you want to be a drill instructor, you have to
Speaker 4: go through like another form of boot camp to become
Speaker 4: a boot camp, perfect boot camp. And yeah, those guys
Speaker 4: are nuts. I mean, it's all it's all a mormans,
Speaker 4: but god damn, some of them could really some of
Speaker 4: them could really act. You know. I actually thought they
Speaker 4: wanted to kill us sometimes. Yeah, but yeah, it's all
Speaker 4: a performance. You know.
Speaker 3: Did you get your name read out just like in
Speaker 3: full metal Jacket and like, uh Snowball and three eleven Infantry.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they called me. They called me a word
Speaker 4: I can't say on the air. But yeah, if you
Speaker 4: read the.
Speaker 3: Book, it's in the book and we won't give you
Speaker 3: a spoilers. Yeah, this book doesn't hold back. Dude. He
Speaker 3: didn't really hold back yet, just said what you felt
Speaker 3: and how it was. You know, I got to the
Speaker 3: point where you went over and sat next to a
Speaker 3: dude sitting with his rifle like he was praying to
Speaker 3: the and he was just like, I don't even want
Speaker 3: to know this guy.
Speaker 4: Well, I just didn't expect them to give us rifles.
Speaker 4: On the first day. I was like, because you know,
Speaker 4: I grew up in the city, I never shot guns
Speaker 4: or anything, and I'm being handed an M sixteen at
Speaker 4: like five or six in the morning, just you know,
Speaker 4: just after getting off you know, the bus, Like holy shit, man,
Speaker 4: no joke.
Speaker 3: Like, no joke.
Speaker 2: They're just like, this is what you're here for.
Speaker 3: What you're here for exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then you go through basic, you get a sign
Speaker 3: to photography. You've got to stick with that. Is that correct?
Speaker 4: That is correct? I thought I had a two year contract,
Speaker 4: but it turns out that that doesn't exist, So I
Speaker 4: end up with that. I end up with sigh. It
Speaker 4: was extra year tacked on because they because of the
Speaker 4: camera school. Okay, and basically it's just like a crash course.
Speaker 4: Actually on it's on for me. The school which is
Speaker 4: where the NSA is. Think Snowden was there while I
Speaker 4: was there, and Yeah. Basically it's just like a crash
Speaker 4: course in uh propaganda, like how to sort of put
Speaker 4: together a video package that was showing like our whole
Speaker 4: mission at when was it two thousand and eight when
Speaker 4: Obama's troop surge started, right, the whole mission of combat
Speaker 4: camera was to show that we were transitioning out and
Speaker 4: we're going to give like they wanted a lot of
Speaker 4: imagery of the Afghan National Army, the soldiers that we
Speaker 4: were working with, you know anyway, so our job was
Speaker 4: to kind of show that these guys could could take
Speaker 4: over after we left, and we all saw how that
Speaker 4: that didn't go too well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah in Iraq, right, Afghanistan? Oh, Afghanistan, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because like you were kind of Iraq was going on
Speaker 3: as well at the same time, because we didn't pull
Speaker 3: out of there until two thousand and nine. So I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to get confused on your theater of operations,
Speaker 3: but you were surging up in Afghanistan while they were
Speaker 3: cut withdrawing in Iraq.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Iraq was kind of dwindling down. I mean, we
Speaker 4: had the whole country was in a civil war, which
Speaker 4: we started basically right.
Speaker 2: We went, Yeah, we.
Speaker 4: We fucked it up.
Speaker 2: And we're kind of like as politicians for you though, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, the soldiers have to take credit
Speaker 4: to you know, it's it's a volunteer army. It's not
Speaker 4: like we were drafted or anything, right, Right. And everyday
Speaker 4: citizens are complicit too, because their tax money goes to
Speaker 4: fund these wars. Now, I've often kind of toyed with
Speaker 4: the idea of if there was a draft, like if
Speaker 4: there was like if we were like Russia or another
Speaker 4: country Korea where you have to have mandatory service for
Speaker 4: two years or whatever. I wonder if that might actually
Speaker 4: prevent us from having more getting more involved in these wars, right,
Speaker 4: because everybody's kid would be on the on the shopping block, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: and every politicians kid would be would it would have
Speaker 4: to go serve and all that. And at the same time,
Speaker 4: I think it might even you know how divided the
Speaker 4: country is, you know, by bringing in like you know,
Speaker 4: liberal kids and right wing kids.
Speaker 2: And let flat feet people serve.
Speaker 3: Don't give them an out, you know, make sure that
Speaker 3: people with flat feet don't get to use it as
Speaker 3: an excuse or spurs you know, like make sure that
Speaker 3: those people aren't pussing out and just you know, calling
Speaker 3: their daddies with all their money and just getting out
Speaker 3: of conscription. You know what I'm saying, because why does
Speaker 3: one get the other you know, labels right labels, whether
Speaker 3: they're liberal or their conservative or there.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying it would put it. Military does introduces you to
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of kids that you would never you know,
Speaker 4: interact with other.
Speaker 3: See, that's right.
Speaker 4: I think there there's just such a divide right now
Speaker 4: because we're in our bubbles and all that. If we're
Speaker 4: you know, if there was like a mandatory shirt and
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I'm not you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: advocating for them. I'm just kind of toying with the idea.
Speaker 3: Sure it might actually.
Speaker 4: You'd have kids with you know, Southern kids, Northern kids
Speaker 4: all together, kind of seeing that they're not really that
Speaker 4: all that different. You know, it's just politics like politics
Speaker 4: and that and that. You know, we're all human beings basically.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I mean, that is true. We are. We are
Speaker 2: all human beings.
Speaker 4: Political beliefs aside. You know, we're still you know, we're
Speaker 4: still the same in a lot.
Speaker 3: Of ways, still neighbors, We're still you know, we still
Speaker 3: sit down to go to the bathroom or stand up
Speaker 3: or whatever, the same one leg on a time with
Speaker 3: your pants, if you got legs. But everybody's got something
Speaker 3: to say about some analogy. What about us, We don't
Speaker 3: have legs? Well, you put your shirt on one arm
Speaker 3: at a time. Oh, you don't got no arms or legs?
Speaker 3: Are you the Metallica video of one Come to Life
Speaker 3: or what? Bro Huh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Jeez? So you were you joined in like two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven, two thousand and seven, that right, yeah, two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. Yeah, so that's when you were eighteen,
Speaker 3: because you were mentioning nine to eleven was when you
Speaker 3: were in sixth grade. And so your combat photography courses,
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in the f stop life that you
Speaker 3: learned there.
Speaker 2: And uh, do you use auto focus? Are you a
Speaker 2: manual guy? Today?
Speaker 4: Today?
Speaker 3: Today? Today?
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't use auto focus, but when I was
Speaker 4: in Afghanistan, I did, yeah, just because when you're getting
Speaker 4: shot at, it's kind of you don't want to be like.
Speaker 3: Hold the button.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And I even had a what's it called? Uh? I
Speaker 4: think I had auto the auto light onto, So like
Speaker 4: if I were going into you know, if we're we're
Speaker 4: outside and then we would go into someone's mud hut
Speaker 4: or house, you know, auto exposure would come on. I
Speaker 4: was not I was not like the best cameraman, i'd say,
Speaker 4: but I knew what to film. You know, it's not
Speaker 4: really like the camera the camera working combat of the
Speaker 4: spirit is not it's not great. It's very shaky. You
Speaker 4: could tell him like nineteen years old. But it's what
Speaker 4: it's the kind of access that I had to these kids,
Speaker 4: you know that like a civilian journalists wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Have, you know, right, yeah, right, you're getting you're taking
Speaker 3: photos of things that go back to be looked at
Speaker 3: and put into dossier's, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I would imagine, no.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there's well, oh.
Speaker 2: You can't just post everything, you know.
Speaker 4: No, No, no, I was. I was. I was secret secretly,
Speaker 4: but I had my you know, I had my job
Speaker 4: just to make bullshit. It was just to perpetuate the
Speaker 4: lie that the war was working and we were we
Speaker 4: were going to win and we the Afghan or movie
Speaker 4: is gonna you know, defeat the Taliban once we left,
Speaker 4: and then I would film guys smoking ash sheish and
Speaker 4: opium while getting shot at, you know, out so it
Speaker 4: was like that dichotomy. But obviously that the hasheesh would
Speaker 4: not go to my I would not send that to
Speaker 4: my superiors.
Speaker 3: Sure, can I ask you what kind of camera that
Speaker 3: you were running? Do you want to say the brand?
Speaker 3: Was it a cannon?
Speaker 4: I can't actually for legal purposes?
Speaker 3: Oh say huh, yeah, Oh that's cool, And that's cool.
Speaker 3: That's okay. I've just always heard that you take a
Speaker 3: can into battle. Yeah, right, jokingly, Nikon, that's cool. I'll
Speaker 3: say their names, you know, we'll give them all out there,
Speaker 3: We'll give them the pentax.
Speaker 4: What's up the whole well, the whole reason, you know,
Speaker 4: the Marine Corps was trying to assume me their whole
Speaker 4: basis because I had none of the footage was classified.
Speaker 4: But their whole argument was.
Speaker 3: What camera were you using?
Speaker 4: Was it our camera? Like? That's how that was like
Speaker 4: a propriet cherry legal argument that they had It wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't that the footage was classified. It was good.
Speaker 4: The footage belongs to the public domain, right if you're
Speaker 4: if you're filming for the government, as long as it's
Speaker 4: yeah true. Their whole argument was you know, I was
Speaker 4: interiorated by n CIS and they were like, which camera
Speaker 4: were using, which what kind of came whose camera were using?
Speaker 4: You know, because if they were saying, if you were
Speaker 4: using our government equipment and technically it belongs to us.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So well that's like saying your eyeballs in
Speaker 3: your brain because your government equipment.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: So like, you know, I don't know about that. You know,
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: They might have offered you a soda pop to get
Speaker 3: your fingerprints in that suration you want to mountain dew.
Speaker 4: It's the right, but you literally are government property.
Speaker 3: Correct, Because I was joking with my dad right at
Speaker 3: the VA one time and he was wearing his he
Speaker 3: was checked in for the hospital for getting some surgery,
Speaker 3: and it said property of the US government with a barcode.
Speaker 3: And I said, Dad, I thought you retired, you know,
Speaker 3: I thought you said you were retired.
Speaker 2: He's like, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: And I said, well look, and I pull a shirt
Speaker 3: back and says property US government. And he looks at
Speaker 3: me like what do you do?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I love going to I love seeing the old
Speaker 4: timers at the VA. You know, they're pretty wide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's that's us saying, well, the young
Speaker 3: timers need to go to the VA because otherwise they're
Speaker 3: going to be the old timers and they won't have
Speaker 3: the energy to go to the VA, and then they'll
Speaker 3: be like, you know, their wives will be pushing them
Speaker 3: in the wheelchairs with no energy. And these young timers
Speaker 3: have all of the care to go there, and they
Speaker 3: have the ability right now while they're in a younger
Speaker 3: age to go get their ailments and whatnot looked at.
Speaker 3: And I'm a big proponent to go get yourself taken
Speaker 3: care of. You know, whether you're going to get a
Speaker 3: colonoscopy at forty forty five years old, or you've got
Speaker 3: some issues going on and you think you're too young,
Speaker 3: or it's not affecting you to go to you don't
Speaker 3: want to go to the VA because it's old timers,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's it's there's a real thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, go get yourself taken care of if you
Speaker 3: need it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, but it is funny to like see
Speaker 4: the difference that you know, the Vietnam generation guys that
Speaker 4: are now, like you said, getting wheeled around, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: get into arguments with the police because there's a heavy
Speaker 4: police presence at the vas, you know, because we're all
Speaker 4: fucking nuts, and yeah, I have some kind of protection
Speaker 4: against the doctors and whatnot. It's just interesting to see
Speaker 4: that that generational divide, you know, and that's that's what
Speaker 4: I perhaps to look forward to think.
Speaker 3: You know, it's true. I was listening to the nurses station,
Speaker 3: just kind of over listening to the nurses, and they
Speaker 3: are calling them all these different code names, and I
Speaker 3: was like, what are you guys saying over here? I
Speaker 3: was my dad was in the room, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what's the wws. She's like, oh, those are our World
Speaker 3: War two vets, and then we have the vs and
Speaker 3: and so they call them ww's the vs and all
Speaker 3: these different categories of who's in right now. And I
Speaker 3: just looked at her like, oh, you guys just are
Speaker 3: filing them away as ww's and vts and you know,
Speaker 3: Afghany and like you know, or whatever the case is, Iraq,
Speaker 3: you know, the war zone of the theater that these
Speaker 3: guys have gone through. And it just kind of sat
Speaker 3: with me, like, geez, you know, as you hear there's
Speaker 3: no more ww's left, you start thinking that there's not
Speaker 3: going to be vts. And and then it just keeps
Speaker 3: on going down that line. You know, because when I
Speaker 3: was going to the VA at a younger age, it
Speaker 3: was the World War two guys and the Koreans that
Speaker 3: were starting to get wheeled around, you know, when my
Speaker 3: dad was starting to go in the early nineties. And
Speaker 3: so to see that, I agree. You know, I've sat
Speaker 3: in the smoking shack. I've heard the stories from five
Speaker 3: different sailors tell this story five times about Kracking, that
Speaker 3: they all killed at five different locations.
Speaker 4: Everybody's got a war story, even the guys, right, even
Speaker 4: some of the guys you never went to war.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That Krack has been killed five
Speaker 3: times by five different guys at five different locations. You know,
Speaker 3: one time the cracking came and got me, you see,
Speaker 3: and guys like, but what about the time it got me.
Speaker 3: Now you're getting ncis coming at you. You know, you
Speaker 3: got the Marines. You know, everybody's saying, hey, you stop, stop,
Speaker 3: what why are they what's up? Man?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What's your first thoughts when they're like, why are they
Speaker 3: coming at you?
Speaker 4: I first thought was a shit, I need a lawyer.
Speaker 4: And then it took me really really long time to
Speaker 4: find a lawyer who because it was such a it
Speaker 4: was unprecedented. No one had ever made a film with
Speaker 4: like government footage, right, No one had ever really done that.
Speaker 4: The only other instance was at I think was the
Speaker 4: Mila massacre in Vietnam, which was photographed by combat camp.
Speaker 4: So that that was a.
Speaker 3: Soldier who yeah, where the general shot the dude in
Speaker 3: the street, right.
Speaker 4: No, not that one. The masacre in my life, they
Speaker 4: basically killed I think three hundred women and you know children,
Speaker 4: And there were the photographs that were taken were by
Speaker 4: combat like a soldier, you know, whose whose job was
Speaker 4: this film? And so there was the whole thing with
Speaker 4: that was you know who was can we release these
Speaker 4: photo as well as their government property and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: But it's not classified. It's a war crime. And so
Speaker 4: eventually I was in that same boat where I was
Speaker 4: talking to military lawyers and they were kind of like
Speaker 4: scratching their heads like, yeah, I don't know, this is
Speaker 4: a gray area. I'm not really sure what to tell you.
Speaker 4: And I finally eventually I was I was studying at
Speaker 4: Columbia University and I found this group called the Night
Speaker 4: Institute and these motherfuckers go hard. I mean they they
Speaker 4: they litigated the.
Speaker 5: Release of like Cie Black Sites in Afghanistan where people
Speaker 5: were getting poor Jared you know one, you know, abuses
Speaker 5: at one and then once I fell in with them
Speaker 5: and they took me on pro bono, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm good now.
Speaker 4: And uh, the Marine Corps basically realized they couldn't bleed
Speaker 4: me financially right by taking me to court, and they
Speaker 4: would just give more publicity to the film by doing that,
Speaker 4: So they eventually ACKed.
Speaker 2: Off, and uh, what's the progress with the film?
Speaker 4: What's the progress?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, where where's that right now?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it Whistles from the Graveyard based on this book
Speaker 3: that's new to me. I'm just learning about that from you.
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah. No. The documentary is called Combat Obscura.
Speaker 4: It's on Combat Obscure Obscure a okay, Yeah, the book
Speaker 4: is kind of about the making of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and I was getting into that. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: Combat Obscura the film that you put together, the documentary,
Speaker 3: and that that's out there to find on platforms everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll make sure that that's noted.
Speaker 4: On our anyone who uh, you know computer with internet?
Speaker 3: What a computer?
Speaker 4: What's that phone?
Speaker 3: That's a word.
Speaker 4: I don't watch on your phone. Please, don't watch it
Speaker 4: on your phone.
Speaker 3: I hate when people watch.
Speaker 4: Movies on their phones.
Speaker 2: That's that's great Combat obscura.
Speaker 3: I'll have to check that out, and we'll put a
Speaker 3: link in down below so that our viewers can go
Speaker 3: ahead and just click on it and check out. You know,
Speaker 3: the book, the video that you put together, documentary. I
Speaker 3: mean what I'm saying, I guess what's the progress is it?
Speaker 3: Is it a sun dance thing? Is this something that
Speaker 3: you've submitted to any festivals for you know, any type
Speaker 3: of Yeah, yeah, we did the.
Speaker 4: Whole festival circuit. I played France, Germany, Czech Republic, all
Speaker 4: over the US. Obviously in Germany the craziest shit happened. Yes,
Speaker 4: So the movies obviously pretty intense. You know, it's very graphic.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of blood, a lot of kids getting
Speaker 4: shot up. And at the end, my boy, my buddy,
Speaker 4: Jacob Leedy gets shot and there's this guy in the
Speaker 4: crowd and the audience and he just thinks he just
Speaker 4: clocks out on the floor. They shut down the film.
Speaker 4: The paramedics had to come and then afterwards I have
Speaker 4: to do a Q and A and I'm like, I
Speaker 4: was trying to kind of make like the guy was fine, right,
Speaker 4: he just fainted, right, But Germans, I don't know, if
Speaker 4: you've ever been to Germany, they don't really have much
Speaker 4: of a sense of humor.
Speaker 3: And so I've been to Ramstein, the band that's about
Speaker 3: as close to Germany so far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're great, and so I was kind of
Speaker 4: trying to make light of me, but they were not.
Speaker 3: They were not.
Speaker 4: They're not They're not having it.
Speaker 3: Crickets bro. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. So just so it's
Speaker 3: got that effect on people. Yeah, you know, my dad
Speaker 3: talked about that with like Platoon back in the eighties.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to see it, you know, He's like,
Speaker 3: guys walked out of the theater on it because it
Speaker 3: was just so much of a muddy grind.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's but that's a Hollywood film. This is we're
Speaker 4: talking about real, real and just and seeing it on
Speaker 4: the big screen is pretty intense. Like I cod, the
Speaker 4: first time I saw it on the big screen, I
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, I had to walk out. I
Speaker 4: couldn't do it. It was just too loud.
Speaker 3: She need to mentally prepare herself to see it. It's
Speaker 3: just not like, yeah, it's a Sunday morning viewing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got green screen my cat into the every podcast.
Speaker 3: She seems I have my pencil, you see my David
Speaker 3: Letterman pencil, and so she's like, I want that pencil,
Speaker 3: my spine like she likes that whole like, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4: And she likes to like, yeah, yeah, I got two
Speaker 4: of them myself.
Speaker 3: Oh good, we're going to get along. I think you
Speaker 3: already are.
Speaker 2: So where are you based out of right now? Where
Speaker 2: am I talking to you from?
Speaker 4: Oh little place called Los Angeles, California?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, and I'm in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Speaker 4: Nice. Yeah, skiing a lot and.
Speaker 2: Snowboard all the time.
Speaker 3: In fact, my snowboards are just right against the wall,
Speaker 3: just right there waiting for two three weeks from.
Speaker 4: Now, snowboarding I ever did out there. Yeah, Trady can
Speaker 4: come boarding into the town, you know. I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you can ski in and out of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: That is cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should come out any time and hit me up.
Speaker 4: We'll go right yeah, just you know, buy me a flight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, breeze, breeze.
Speaker 3: Let me just give them a shout out, dude, twenty
Speaker 3: nine dollars one way from John Wayne to Salt Lake City,
Speaker 3: provo which is John Wayne?
Speaker 4: Which airport is it?
Speaker 2: John Wayne? I think is Orange County?
Speaker 3: Okay, But if you're talking realistic, it just takes you
Speaker 3: a minute to get Yeah, just get to John Wayne,
Speaker 3: fly out to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: It takes you thirty bucks one way, it's.
Speaker 3: Six two bucks around and then you get with the past.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you a red Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: I might know somebody though.
Speaker 3: You just never know. You can do it for cheap
Speaker 3: if you're me, you know how to play the system,
Speaker 3: if you know how to just like you know, use
Speaker 3: a coupon like the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about what's from the graveyard, Like, what
Speaker 3: do you think is next? If you're going to write
Speaker 3: another book, you're going to have anything that's on your mind?
Speaker 4: What hopefully? Yeah, I'd like to write a novel next,
Speaker 4: but yeah, write.
Speaker 3: Something that's just something in your mind, like you have
Speaker 3: a you have characters and that you're gonna put out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, but that is much harder. I
Speaker 4: think writing fiction is a lot harder than writing what happened, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because you're already you know, you're just writing down what happened,
Speaker 4: what you saw. You know, you know all the characters,
Speaker 4: you know their backstory because they're real people. And with fiction,
Speaker 4: that all has to be created out of center. You know.
Speaker 3: Let's read the back of your book here, I'm going
Speaker 3: to read this. At just eighteen years old, Miles Logozi
Speaker 3: joined the Marine Corps a decade after the war began
Speaker 3: and found himself surrounded by people not unlike those he'd
Speaker 3: left behind at home. Aimless youth searching for stability, community
Speaker 3: and economic security. Deployed to Afghanistan as a combat cameraman.
Speaker 3: An active duty videographer and photographer, Logozi produced slick images
Speaker 3: of glory and heroism for public consumption, but his government
Speaker 3: approved footage concealed a grim reality. Here, Logosi pulls back
Speaker 3: the curtain and illustrates the grizzly truth of the law
Speaker 3: longest war in American history. As these young men and
Speaker 3: women were deployed in an unfamiliar country half a world
Speaker 3: away History's graveyard of empires, they carried the scars of
Speaker 3: the fractured homeland that sent them. Legozi shows US marines
Speaker 3: straddling the edge of chaos. We see forces desensitized to
Speaker 3: gore and suffering by the darkest reaches of the Internet,
Speaker 3: unsure of their place in an unraveling world, and set
Speaker 3: further adrift by the uncertain mission to which they had
Speaker 3: been assigned abroad. Whistles from the Graveyard shows the parts
Speaker 3: of the Afghanistan War we were never meant to see.
Speaker 3: Afghan locals and American infantry, drawn together by their fears
Speaker 3: of the ghostly ever present terror of the Taliban, moments
Speaker 3: of dark resignation, and as the devastating toll of years
Speaker 3: in wars. Crossfire reveals itself between bouts of adrenaline laced
Speaker 3: violence and knights of reckless drug fueled abandoned to drug fueled,
Speaker 3: abandoned to dull the pain. Yeah why not? In full
Speaker 3: vivid color miles, Logozi shows us an overlook generation of
Speaker 3: young Americans we cast out into the desert, steeped in nihilism,
Speaker 3: and shift back home with first hand training in extremism, misenthropy,
Speaker 3: and insurrection. That's on the back of the book. I
Speaker 3: just wanted to read that for you, so you get
Speaker 3: an idea of what's in this book, what's going on
Speaker 3: with Miles. So Miles, you know, I like to talk
Speaker 3: about snowboarding. I like to talk about thrills before pills
Speaker 3: and getting out and doing something with yourself mentally. You know,
Speaker 3: we do talk about the VA and going there and
Speaker 3: then here's a prescription, go take this pill and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. How does someone like you who's
Speaker 3: seen through lenses seeing things firsthand that didn't no one
Speaker 3: really sees. How are you coping with all of that?
Speaker 3: Is it snowboarding writing? Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 4: Well? I mean, for a long time it was just drinking.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to cut back on that. But
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, like I didn't really feel it as
Speaker 4: much when I first got out, but the thing is,
Speaker 4: it comes back. I was just talking to a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine and he never you know, he he was
Speaker 4: getting disability for PTSD and he actually even you know,
Speaker 4: canceled it as if he said, no, I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know PTSD can stop giving me a monthly
Speaker 4: checked you know for that. And then just recently, uh,
Speaker 4: he started having panic attacks, you know, so it's like
Speaker 4: it go, it goes away, and it comes, but it's
Speaker 4: always kind of there, you know, it comes and goes.
Speaker 4: I think especially during COVID when everyone, you know, everyone
Speaker 4: was locked down, that's when it was the hardest for me.
Speaker 4: It was because there wasn't really you just trapped with
Speaker 4: your own thoughts and and all that, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and not not go out and talk to anybody.
Speaker 3: You're kind of like that certain amount. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: you and your headspace. Yeah, yeah, wow, somewhere deep in
Speaker 3: your mind, you know.
Speaker 4: And and also and also every you know, everyone was
Speaker 4: drinking during the day. I remember like just day drinking,
Speaker 4: doing drugs, you know, there were a lot of ods
Speaker 4: during COVID. Yeah, just being trapped with nothing to do,
Speaker 4: nowhere to go. On top of that, then the pull
Speaker 4: out from Afghanistan, and I think that I think that
Speaker 4: was very hard for a lot of veterans, you know,
Speaker 4: myself included.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to see what they were sent over for, to
Speaker 3: fight for, to just be abysmally just ended, like you know,
Speaker 3: just cut open a pool above ground pool, let the
Speaker 3: water just out.
Speaker 4: That's kind of how the well they knew, not a
Speaker 4: single fucking person I know who was in Afghanistan was
Speaker 4: actually in the ship like in the fucking war. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about like being on Bagram Air Base
Speaker 4: where they had like a TGI Fridays and the Starbucks
Speaker 4: and shit. We're talking about living like in the actual war.
Speaker 4: No one was surprised. No one was surprised by what happened.
Speaker 4: I mean, the quickness of it was surprised. It was.
Speaker 4: It was surprised me how quickly the Afghan Army just said,
Speaker 4: just surrendered and melted it. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: you got to understand they had been fighting the Taliban.
Speaker 4: So around twenty I want to say twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: don't quote me on that, but I think that's when
Speaker 4: we stopped actively like patrolling with the Afghan Army, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, kicking indoors with them and actually like you know,
Speaker 4: patrolling and getting taking fire and whatnot. Once we stopped
Speaker 4: doing that, their troops reached Vietnam casualty race. I mean,
Speaker 4: they were getting totally massacred by the Taliban because they
Speaker 4: didn't have US with them, they didn't have our air support,
Speaker 4: and so they had they were tired, man, they were
Speaker 4: fucking tired by the time Biden pulled us out, and
Speaker 4: so I think they were just like, what's the point.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, the accord was signed by Donald Trump
Speaker 3: in December. Yeah, that's what was signed. And he also
Speaker 3: invited the Taliban to Camp David. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's
Speaker 3: bring that up in perspective of what was left for
Speaker 3: the guy that came in to take over, because Biden wasn't.
Speaker 3: He was a civilian when all of that happened, right,
Speaker 3: and so it was just putting his lap to deal
Speaker 3: with and he had to. But I think what he
Speaker 3: said also is what you said also, is it just
Speaker 3: happened so quickly no one stood up to fight for
Speaker 3: their country.
Speaker 4: There there's no country.
Speaker 3: Well, they've been fighting for so long, since seventy nine,
Speaker 3: the you know, invasion of Russia, the Ottomann Empire, I mean, Petra,
Speaker 3: you know, all the way back to Donna time.
Speaker 2: This is we're talking. You know, every stone over there
Speaker 2: has DNA on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, it's a crazy place, and it's not It's like
Speaker 4: our whole thing was like trying to convince them that
Speaker 4: trying to give them a national identity or something like
Speaker 4: you're your Afghan and have some pride, have pride in
Speaker 4: your country, and they're like, but I identify with this tribe,
Speaker 4: Like I don't identify as an Afghan. You know, a
Speaker 4: lot of the civilians that are living out there in
Speaker 4: the rural parts where the war was happening, We're like,
Speaker 4: who the fuck are you guys? Like, what's an Afghan
Speaker 4: to them?
Speaker 2: You know, they're just Afghanistan. They're like, wait, what we
Speaker 2: call this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just identifies as their tribe, you know. And
Speaker 4: it was just insane. It was totally fucking insane to
Speaker 4: think that we could, I don't know, make.
Speaker 3: It work, change it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just so stupid.
Speaker 2: Change the scenery.
Speaker 4: Knew those motherfuckers, Crystal and uh pet what's his name?
Speaker 4: Betray us, all those motherfuckers knew it wasn't working and
Speaker 4: it wasn't going to work, and they just kept perpetuating
Speaker 4: it for reasons that I think we all know. You know,
Speaker 4: a lot of it had to do with money.
Speaker 3: In economy. Yep, our number one exports our military. As
Speaker 3: in America, we export the military worldwide, global international, It's
Speaker 3: our number one thing. And then back home the war
Speaker 3: machine kicks up, like, oh yeah, here we go. The
Speaker 3: wheels are spinning becomes the d D contracts. Oh wait,
Speaker 3: why are we bidding on the lowest dollar for the
Speaker 3: most night vision best night vision?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 3: What just get three?
Speaker 5: Three?
Speaker 4: Three dollars were spent on Afghanistan And we still don't
Speaker 4: have healthcare back at home. And you can't wage, you
Speaker 4: can't get you can't get a minimum wage job, you know, Like, but.
Speaker 3: We have healthcare, but we're paying for it likes but
Speaker 3: everybody has to pay for it. But we're like, I
Speaker 3: completely the war machine, like you said, you know, here
Speaker 3: we are as taxpayers paying our taxes because we have to.
Speaker 3: But they go to some Patriot missile that gets its
Speaker 3: wires ripped out for forty grand, And now that money
Speaker 3: that I wanted it to work is just a ripped
Speaker 3: out Patriot missile wire. It's like, yeah, please don't put
Speaker 3: my taxpayers dollars into a Patriot missile. We please put
Speaker 3: it into body armor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean we patrolled with the with here
Speaker 4: like and weapons of destruction at our disposal, but totaled
Speaker 4: more in like the average college like college students debt,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like everybody's in debt, everyone's
Speaker 4: enslaved to the system back home. Meanwhile, we're wasting trillions
Speaker 4: of dollars abroad.
Speaker 2: Just I would stay talk about and Lons already dead.
Speaker 4: Okay, he died, he died here, he got shot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he died while we were out there, and they called
Speaker 4: his formation in the middle of the night and they said, yeah,
Speaker 4: we we get up in Loaden. And so everyone's like that,
Speaker 4: I mean, we can go home, like the war over
Speaker 4: and uh no, another ten years, another.
Speaker 3: Ten years with a free piece of paper that said
Speaker 3: you have car blanche to do whatever you need in
Speaker 3: the name of terrorism. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And when you say, when you say the global War
Speaker 4: on terrorism, what does that mean? What does that means?
Speaker 4: That means that means we can go anywhere we want.
Speaker 3: Anywhere, we can go anywhere we want.
Speaker 4: That we call a terrorist place. So basically we opened
Speaker 4: up the whole Middle mostly the Middle East in Asia
Speaker 4: right to basically just do whatever we want. I mean,
Speaker 4: imagine if a country flew a drone into like Manhattan
Speaker 4: and just shot a fucking there and just shot like
Speaker 4: a low level drug dealer. Right.
Speaker 3: Just I'm with you X.
Speaker 4: You know, no trial, nothing, just straight you know, execution, right, right,
Speaker 4: That's what we're that's what we've been doing for the
Speaker 4: past twenty years. It's just literally killing lola like usually
Speaker 4: the wrong people. Let's be honest, because intel, military military
Speaker 4: intelligence is an oxymoron. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't,
Speaker 4: they don't. No one knows what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 4: And you're killing these low level guys with no trial,
Speaker 4: you know, no nothing, just oh he's a bad guy. Yeah, done,
Speaker 4: he's dead. And then uh and then they kids come
Speaker 4: running over and they kill them too, And it's like,
Speaker 4: what if we create, well, you know what kind of
Speaker 4: like system apparatus have we created that allows us to
Speaker 4: just go into other people's backyard and assassinate people from
Speaker 4: the sky like freaking.
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of playing out right now where you know,
Speaker 3: unfortunately Hamas you know, through rockets in a volley at Israel. Recently,
Speaker 3: Israel has retaliated saying that this is now they're nine
Speaker 3: to eleven. They have retaliated saying that they have every
Speaker 3: right to go into Gaza and just level it and
Speaker 3: whatever they need to do to now go carb Blanche, right,
Speaker 3: and so now Israel is like coiling up to do
Speaker 3: some type of GWOT global war on Terror front because
Speaker 3: they saw us do that when we were assaulted in
Speaker 3: New York City and then we turned into the global
Speaker 3: War on Terror mechanism machine just to go after him.
Speaker 4: Right, It's uncanny. It's uncanny how similar the seermongering is
Speaker 4: that the news is doing, you know, back like they
Speaker 4: did after nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, right right, And I'm just I see things,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just watching it. I talked to a
Speaker 3: lot of folks. You know. I've got a friend in
Speaker 3: Gaza right now on the ground, and he's just like, rad,
Speaker 3: can you get me somewing at Marine DoD To so
Speaker 3: I could talk to him about this MEU unit that's
Speaker 3: off the coast. He's like this, that and the other.
Speaker 3: And he's right there, you know, he's taking photos of
Speaker 3: the Israeli tanks. I want to call him like a
Speaker 3: Mrko but it's something different. But nonetheless, dude, Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: coiling up over there for something. I mean. And the
Speaker 3: actors who perpetrated the war that through those rockets are
Speaker 3: not the children that are exactly slingshots. I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Kids with a rock in a slingshot are
Speaker 3: not the kids with the rockets no, no.
Speaker 4: And you can't, like like we said, you know, you
Speaker 4: can't for one, you know, for one terrorist group to
Speaker 4: miss a terrorist act, right, you can't just then invade
Speaker 4: the whole country because it's like about the because of
Speaker 4: one hundred guys did something like what we did in Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: like al Qaeda I think was maybe a thousand deep
Speaker 4: in the cave and you know the cave.
Speaker 2: Why do we even go into Iraq?
Speaker 4: Don't get me sorry.
Speaker 3: On that case, Saddam paid a family twenty five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars for their suicide bomber. And as soon as he
Speaker 3: did that, as soon as he did that, they said,
Speaker 3: oh oh, he just became a terrorist.
Speaker 4: Go yep.
Speaker 3: Turkey's like, we're not gonna let you invade from the north.
Speaker 3: And then they made him move all of everything, go
Speaker 3: all the way around Iraq.
Speaker 2: It was like we know you're coming this whole thing.
Speaker 4: And because yeah, yeah, and you know, I like when
Speaker 4: we talk about terrorism, you also got to think when
Speaker 4: you're the weaker force there, resistant and you're you're being
Speaker 4: oppressed by a giant machine of war that can just
Speaker 4: that's constantly bowling, constantly oppressed me sometimes and this was
Speaker 4: the case with the Vietcong and Algerians and France and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, terrorism is sometimes the only way to resit,
Speaker 4: to fight back because you can't, you know, Hamas can't
Speaker 4: just like overrun the Israeli military, right, so they have
Speaker 4: to I'm not advocating for terrorism. I'm just saying, when
Speaker 4: let's when we think about it, it's sometimes the only
Speaker 4: option that they have right is to commit acts of
Speaker 4: terror because they don't have any other resources.
Speaker 3: They don't have the same infrastructure. They're they're working on
Speaker 3: the sidelines. They're doing things that are like these they're
Speaker 3: being Tom Hanks is saving Private Ryan where he creates
Speaker 3: a sticky bomb out of a sock to try to blow.
Speaker 2: Up a tank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, because it's this last it's all he has.
Speaker 3: He's like, and then one of their guys blows up
Speaker 3: trying to blow up the tank. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: they have to do these crazy things. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying one way or the other. I think war is bad.
Speaker 3: I understand to train for war and be ready to
Speaker 3: handle it if it happens, But are you I asked
Speaker 3: my friend the other day, I said, are you ready
Speaker 3: for a hypersonic missile to blow up the Quickie mart
Speaker 3: across the street while we're getting a oil change. Like
Speaker 3: that was a real conversation, I said to him, because
Speaker 3: he's like this, that, and the other with Ukraine and
Speaker 3: they know I do these shows and they want to
Speaker 3: get into my brain. And I'm like, are you ready
Speaker 3: to go pick up your neighbor's daughter who's blown into
Speaker 3: your yard because they just blew up your house out
Speaker 3: of what nowhere all of a sudden, suppoom booms a boom?
Speaker 3: Then what then?
Speaker 4: What? Then? Then you see the true? Cause you see
Speaker 4: the true?
Speaker 3: Are you not an insurgent now to them? Because now
Speaker 3: you live here and we there, you're being invaded?
Speaker 2: What does that make me?
Speaker 3: Right? If I'm moving house to house because I know
Speaker 3: my neighborhood, you damn right, Yeah, I'm an insurgent now,
Speaker 3: Oh I live here, dude, this is my house. You
Speaker 3: call me an insurgent because you attacked me, you came
Speaker 3: to me. If I go to you, I'm an invader.
Speaker 4: Right, if I we'd kill people from the sky. We're
Speaker 4: not terrorists, right right? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 3: And I'm not. Hey, you know the world needs to
Speaker 3: just realize that's the way it is. Like we all
Speaker 3: believe the same blood. You know, we all come from aliens.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 4: What do you about this Dave Grush guy? You hear
Speaker 4: about him, maybe David Grush, he's uh, he went he
Speaker 4: went to Congress and said that we have possession of
Speaker 4: alien spacecraft. So this guy, this knucklehead, this chuckle, but
Speaker 4: he's he's he's like the high high echelons right of
Speaker 4: the intelligence apparatus. And it gives you such a perfect
Speaker 4: picture of how incompetent these guys are. I don't know
Speaker 4: what you believe about aliens, but I can tell you
Speaker 4: from my experience with the intelligence community is, uh, they're
Speaker 4: not very intelligent. And uh, they're very global and they
Speaker 4: like they like hoarding secrets or like knowing. They kind
Speaker 4: of share, like they're gossiping about what they know that
Speaker 4: someone else doesn't know. And yeah, it's just funny man
Speaker 4: that that that came out like he like somebody convinced
Speaker 4: him that they were, you know, the government had alien
Speaker 4: spacecraft and he bought it so hard without any of it,
Speaker 4: you never saw any of it. Just someone someone told
Speaker 4: him and he was like, I fuck it, I'm going
Speaker 4: to Congress and I'm.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, yeah, you know, it's like it's like
Speaker 3: I live by Hill Air Force Space and I always
Speaker 3: see the F thirty fives flying over, and I'll take
Speaker 3: a photo for Instagram a story, and I always add
Speaker 3: an alien spacecraft chasing it. Okay, it's just who I am, right,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, do you not get it?
Speaker 3: Like the technology, Like we go from flying popsicle sticks
Speaker 3: at Kitty Hawk in nineteen twenties whatnot to the SR
Speaker 3: seventy one in the atmosphere in nineteen forties. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: in twenty some years, you're gonna tell me that we
Speaker 3: go from popsicle sticks to nuclear energy of sorts?
Speaker 4: Well, when was the popsicle stick? Wasn't that the eighteen hundreds?
Speaker 3: No, Kitty Hawk was nineteen Let me see here, Let's
Speaker 3: get people to correct us on the comments I say
Speaker 3: it was like before Christ. Prove me wrong. I think
Speaker 3: Kitty Hawk was.
Speaker 2: Let me look real, Kitty Hawk is where the right
Speaker 2: Brothers flight?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the first aircraft that actually flew for like
Speaker 3: one hundred yards and it was made out of it?
Speaker 3: Was it was nineteen hundred?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll find it real quick here. Uh, kitty. This
Speaker 3: might just get you a snowboard pass if I'm wrong. Okay,
Speaker 3: Kitty Hawk, They're probably gonna tell me uss Kitty Hawk. Hello,
Speaker 3: Kitty Dolls was right, brothers, because first flight, let's go
Speaker 3: with that. Nineteen oh three December seventeenth. Wilbur and Orville
Speaker 3: Wright spent four years of research and development to create
Speaker 3: the first successful powered airplane, the nineteen oh three right Flight.
Speaker 3: It flew the It flew at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina,
Speaker 3: on December seventeenth, nineteen oh three, with the Orville at
Speaker 3: the controls.
Speaker 2: So the first flight flew twelve seconds, all right.
Speaker 3: Now let's go from that. Let's go from that to
Speaker 3: the SR seventy one and the forties. Okay, so let's
Speaker 3: talk forty years of technology now has increased from flying
Speaker 3: a paper airplane too, yep, aliens bro. The F sixteen
Speaker 3: has been around since nineteen seventies. Yeah, it's still in
Speaker 3: service today. But now we got the thirty five. And
Speaker 3: when I was in the Air Force, it was the
Speaker 3: y F twenty two, which was still a test aircraft.
Speaker 3: But now the F twenty two Raptor has been surpassed
Speaker 3: by the thirty five. So I mean you've got to wonder.
Speaker 4: I think whether the government has an incentive in people
Speaker 4: believing that they possessed alien technology, because if the government
Speaker 4: what I call aliens, like a super intelligent being, right,
Speaker 4: they could travel here, I would call that. I call
Speaker 4: aliens basically like gods for atheists. Right. Atheists don't believe
Speaker 4: in the old old man, the beer in the sky, right, No,
Speaker 4: they believe in a super intelligent life form that can
Speaker 4: travel here and do whatever they want to us and
Speaker 4: maybe invade our consciousness and all this shit. Right, And
Speaker 4: if the government is in possession of that kind of technology,
Speaker 4: by the facto, the government kind of becomes a form
Speaker 4: of God itself. So I want I think, I think
Speaker 4: the government has an incentive in us believing that they
Speaker 4: have alien shit they have, but they don't. I don't
Speaker 4: believe they do personally, but I think they do have
Speaker 4: an incentive. And actually in the eighties, in the late
Speaker 4: seventies and the eighties, they infiltrated the UFO community and
Speaker 4: started spreading misinformation and saying because these guys were these
Speaker 4: like mob bizarre type guys were filming outside the basis
Speaker 4: and they were just filming like tops you good technology
Speaker 4: it wasn't alien ship.
Speaker 3: It was like, like it is a UFO because unidentified
Speaker 3: flying object because you don't know what it is and
Speaker 3: it's not you know, you don't know its name, so
Speaker 3: it does fall into that classification. But is it Is
Speaker 3: it the lensed eyeball style aliens that come down and
Speaker 3: just can save humanity or destroy it? Is it Prometheus R?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 3: I love that movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. I know everyone hates it, but
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that movie.
Speaker 2: I find that it's like, you know, I love when.
Speaker 4: The dude just rips off the creator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like yeah, He's like, I think
Speaker 3: I can talk to him. I'm like, bro, well, David, no,
Speaker 3: But it just goes to tell me. It just shows
Speaker 3: that that they're mammals, because aliens are mammals. You know that,
Speaker 3: you realize it because they how they She is the
Speaker 3: mother of aliens. She mothered it and he gave it
Speaker 3: to her and it came out of her and it's
Speaker 3: still alive. And then aliens comes from Prometheus. Oh man,
Speaker 3: Now are those the aliens people think about?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: If I DeLong is thinking about and blink, you know,
Speaker 3: aliens are real, you know, I got to get Tom
Speaker 3: a shout out in here. He just played a show
Speaker 3: last night in Vegas?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like why is he spearheading? Though? Why is blink
Speaker 4: when I need to like spearheading? This whole movement is crazy.
Speaker 4: You know, if I to me, it would seem a
Speaker 4: super intelligent life form wouldn't have to physically travel here.
Speaker 4: They could just send particles that would be able to
Speaker 4: We wouldn't be able to see it, but they could
Speaker 4: be watching us right in the air if they would
Speaker 4: have some form like a or like a crystal ball,
Speaker 4: Like why would they need to come all the way
Speaker 4: over here? And then on top of that crash like
Speaker 4: they make it, you know, they make it billions billions
Speaker 4: of light years right.
Speaker 2: To crash on Earth.
Speaker 4: And then second I got stuck in the second gear.
Speaker 3: And they you know, stop stop stop.
Speaker 2: I want to like him it in black stop stop stop.
Speaker 2: I want to Vincent.
Speaker 3: I want to know he needs sugar, sugar water.
Speaker 2: He crashes plane here again, jay.
Speaker 3: Man, sugar.
Speaker 2: It's around Orion.
Speaker 3: Okay, well listen, Miles, Miles, all right, bro, I've had
Speaker 3: you on here for an hour and I really have
Speaker 3: appreciated it, and I'm sure my listener, my one listener,
Speaker 3: So thank you for talking to me and them just one.
Speaker 3: That's all I ever think of is just the person listening.
Speaker 3: So thank you to you, and thank you to buying
Speaker 3: all my merch to that one listener.
Speaker 4: There's really only.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just one, just and if not, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: thank you. Really you know that's the old radio thought,
Speaker 3: you know, Miles, is that back in the day when
Speaker 3: you had no digital radio, you stayed on the static
Speaker 3: dial because it took forever to find it. And that's
Speaker 3: why advertising worked so well, because they'd always stay on
Speaker 3: that station, always hear the same ad over and over again.
Speaker 3: Now today you have this dial that can just push
Speaker 3: into fifty different stations. So what I'm getting at is
Speaker 3: you always want to just talk to the listeners. If
Speaker 3: it's not one person that just has you tuned in.
Speaker 4: I hope so I hope more people listen to it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you need to be in New York Times
Speaker 3: best Selling often to help you get there. That one
Speaker 3: person might just buy all your books, okay, And you
Speaker 3: never know if if Miles is at the airport and
Speaker 3: he's signing a book, you never know if it's there,
Speaker 3: So go check it out.
Speaker 4: We're telling people to buy ten copies each and then
Speaker 4: sell them to your friends and agra profit.
Speaker 3: And oh done, done, branch that out, dude. And here
Speaker 3: in Utah we love a good old You know, how
Speaker 3: can I sell to my neighbor? So get going on
Speaker 3: that door to door back again, Miles, you've been great.
Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you for your service
Speaker 3: to the country. You know, you chose to join, you
Speaker 3: weren't forced, So thanks for that. Thanks for talking about
Speaker 3: the VA, thanks for talking about yourself as a young
Speaker 3: man growing up. And you know, no one ever pays
Speaker 3: me to say go join the military. But if you're
Speaker 3: on the fence and you're out there and you're thinking
Speaker 3: about it and you're on a scale of one to
Speaker 3: ten and possibly joining, just see what happens. Go talk
Speaker 3: to them, he says. No, I'm just saying you never
Speaker 3: know until you try. And with that, this is rad
Speaker 3: said on behalf of Miles. Please, thank you, go mind.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: Miles.
Speaker 1: All right, cheers, you've been listening to your self.
Speaker 4: Rep.
Speaker 1: Radia