Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Gidias Charge Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network.
Speaker 2: My name is Stephen and I am the host as always,
Speaker 2: and we have.
Speaker 1: A very special show today. Our guy Argent is going
Speaker 1: to be joining us. Argan has some unique insight into
Speaker 1: this upcoming Chargers and Jets matchups, so we're excited to
Speaker 1: have him on.
Speaker 2: Argin, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Im doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Doing very well. Glad to be recording on Halloween. Obviously
Speaker 3: not doing anything, and that's why I'm here to record.
Speaker 3: So excited to be talking about Chargers Jets obviously two
Speaker 3: teams I'm very familiar with, So excited to be hopping
Speaker 3: into and talking Paul about this one.
Speaker 1: Yes, Happy Halloween to those who celebrate. Obviously, this will
Speaker 1: be coming out on Wednesday. So hopefully you guys had
Speaker 1: a good night out if you went out, If not,
Speaker 1: hopefully had a good time as well.
Speaker 2: Tyler is here too, man, Tyler? What's up? How you
Speaker 2: doing tonight?
Speaker 4: Do it great? I'm doing very well.
Speaker 5: Happy to hear that Argin is only here because he
Speaker 5: had nothing else better to do today on Halloween, but
Speaker 5: that's totally fine. I'm doing very well. We're coming off
Speaker 5: of a Chargers victory. The offense did their part, the
Speaker 5: defense did their part, the special teams did its part,
Speaker 5: and the Bears, well, I can't say that on this show,
Speaker 5: so I'll avoid that. But I'm doing very well, Steven.
Speaker 5: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good man.
Speaker 1: We had a dress up day today at school, so
Speaker 1: I went as a college student, so I got to
Speaker 1: wear like a Utah hoodie to school for once, which
Speaker 1: was it was funny, but it was a good time.
Speaker 1: So hopefully you guys had a good night out in
Speaker 1: Halloween and that should be fun.
Speaker 2: If you don't know Argin, just a quick little bit
Speaker 2: about Argin.
Speaker 1: He has been working with us on the Guiltiest Charge
Speaker 1: channel for the last three seasons, has obviously a data
Speaker 1: driven analytical background, has intern for PFF in this past season,
Speaker 1: spent this past summer excuse me, intern for the New
Speaker 1: York Jets, so I've had to have him on because
Speaker 1: of our relationship, because of his insight into both of
Speaker 1: these teams. Heading into Monday Night Football, we'll also get
Speaker 1: some of his thoughts and our thoughts as well. From
Speaker 1: the Chargers and Bears matchup. Like Tyler mentioned, and should
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun, should be a fun show today.
Speaker 1: As always, before we get started, the three of us
Speaker 1: are fans of the Chargers, just like you guys are.
Speaker 2: We are not Chargers employees.
Speaker 1: The opinions that we show on this episode are that
Speaker 1: that just that there are opinions first and foremost. They
Speaker 1: are not the opinions of the Chargers organization. But that
Speaker 1: being said, we'll have a good show and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to dive in today. So as always, we are going
Speaker 1: to do our truths segments. We think it's important to
Speaker 1: sit back and take a step back and look at
Speaker 1: the numbers and the film and really evaluate what happened
Speaker 1: to the Chargers during their previous game.
Speaker 2: So we'll get some opinions here.
Speaker 1: Instead of doing five, we're just going to do one
Speaker 1: each today because we do want to highlight the Chargers
Speaker 1: and Jets matchup on Monday Night Football. So Argent, we'll
Speaker 1: start with you. When you kind of zoom out about
Speaker 1: what happened on Sunday Night football from the Chargers win
Speaker 1: over the Chicago Bears. What's your biggest truth or takeaway
Speaker 1: from that game on Sunday Night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my biggest truth is actually a negative which is
Speaker 3: interesting given that the Chargers won by seventeen. But it
Speaker 3: is that this run game is not very good in
Speaker 3: this you know, in the game against the Bears, the
Speaker 3: Bears won't have a great run defense, but it's not
Speaker 3: like terrible either.
Speaker 6: It's kind of middle of the pack.
Speaker 3: But the Chargers ran for fifty four yards on twenty
Speaker 3: five attempts. They had a rushing success rate of eight percent.
Speaker 3: So basically, on twenty five attempts, they were only successful
Speaker 3: on eight percent of those, which basically means they were
Speaker 3: only staying ahead of the sticks. They were keeping the
Speaker 3: you know, getting closer to scoring points on eight percent
Speaker 3: of those runs. Now, this has been a problem ever
Speaker 3: since week one. This is a trend that since week one,
Speaker 3: the Chargers rank dead last in rushing success rate, in
Speaker 3: dead last in rushing expected points added or rushing EPA.
Speaker 3: So basically their rushing success rate after post week one
Speaker 3: is twenty three point eight percent, which means they're only
Speaker 3: staying on schedule twenty three point eight percent of the
Speaker 3: time when they're running the ball. Now that is a
Speaker 3: huge problem. That's seven percent lower than the thirty first
Speaker 3: second the thirty first place team, which is the Tampa
Speaker 3: Bay Buccaneers, and again that just can't happen that after
Speaker 3: Week one, I think everyone was so excited about this
Speaker 3: run game and then everything's kind of gone downhill from there.
Speaker 3: And I think with a seven games sample size, we
Speaker 3: can kind of rule out those, Oh they've played a
Speaker 3: tough run defense like Tennessee or Brian flores Is lining
Speaker 3: up eight men in the box every single play, where
Speaker 3: now they've had we'll clap in the lineup for multiple
Speaker 3: games and you can't really point to the Corey Lindsley
Speaker 3: absence because they've had the same offensive line on the
Speaker 3: field for like the past four weeks.
Speaker 6: So I think it's a huge issue.
Speaker 3: Obviously, they didn't really need to run the ball and
Speaker 3: two clock out against the Bears, but going forward, if
Speaker 3: they want to close out some of these one score
Speaker 3: games where they've struggled with this season, I think they
Speaker 3: have to be able to improve their run game.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought that up, and just looking at
Speaker 5: the numbers, Joshua Kelly, it's his best year in terms
Speaker 5: of yards after contact per attempt, yards per attempt and
Speaker 5: Steven you brought up an interesting point earlier on social
Speaker 5: media and I'll let you get to that in just
Speaker 5: a second.
Speaker 4: It seems like the charters should be.
Speaker 5: Not not saying twenty times a game, but pivoting towards
Speaker 5: a Joshua Kelly centered rushing attack while allowing Austin Eckler
Speaker 5: to be what he's great at, which is more of
Speaker 5: a receiver. At this point, this is, unfortunately, Austin Eckler's
Speaker 5: worst yards per attempt and rushing yards over expected of
Speaker 5: his career, the worst yards after contact of his career.
Speaker 5: And that's not to say he's a bad running back,
Speaker 5: not to say he has nothing left in the tank,
Speaker 5: but we're starting to see what we maybe did start
Speaker 5: to see at the early part of last season, which
Speaker 5: is that Austin Eckler has accumulated a lot of touches,
Speaker 5: a lot of carries, a lot of hits, a lot
Speaker 5: of injuries, and over time, that of course limits your efficiency.
Speaker 5: And we're starting to see Joshua Kelly, who's much younger
Speaker 5: and pretty explosive as is, start to become better. And
Speaker 5: at this point, I am sort of feeling like, until
Speaker 5: the run game really starts to get fixed and maybe
Speaker 5: the blocking starts to get better, maybe you change things
Speaker 5: with the blocking tight end unit, which they already did
Speaker 5: today by waving Tram mckitties, So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 5: I feel that this team needs to start leading into
Speaker 5: Joshuva Kelly the runner. I'm not saying again that they
Speaker 5: have to do that twenty times, but I feel like
Speaker 5: they should lean into him that way one, because he's been.
Speaker 4: More efficient so far in two.
Speaker 5: I think it suits what the Chargers are doing or
Speaker 5: want to do in the run game maybe a bit better.
Speaker 5: And so, Steven, you talked about the difference between the
Speaker 5: way they're rushing the football with Joshava Kelly and Austin Eckler.
Speaker 5: What have you seen on tape?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when you really dive into what we've
Speaker 1: been seeing, I think we're seeing two different styles for
Speaker 1: this Charger's rushing attack when it comes to these running backs.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the whole thing in training camp
Speaker 1: and in the preseason was this is physical, this is downhill,
Speaker 1: this is vertical, this is gap, this is counter, this
Speaker 1: is the.
Speaker 2: Pin and pole play.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of north and sound, and I think
Speaker 1: that really fit the skill sets of the guys that
Speaker 1: they had. With Joshua Kelly obviously leading the charge among
Speaker 1: the preseason backs, and Isaiah Spiller and Elijah Dottson. All
Speaker 1: three of those guys are north and south runners, and
Speaker 1: I think that led to a lot of the excitement
Speaker 1: around the rushing attack. And obviously they had over six
Speaker 1: hundred yards rushing in the three preseason games and then
Speaker 1: the aforementioned Week one where they ran for two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty yards or whatever the number was. And I
Speaker 1: think with Austin Eckler coming back from his injury, I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing them do a little bit more of
Speaker 1: an emphasis on outside zone, which it just doesn't fit
Speaker 1: like what we've been seeing work well with this team.
Speaker 1: And in particular, I'm notniceing a lot of like twelve
Speaker 1: personnel outside zone looks with this tight end roupe which
Speaker 1: is really struggling blocking right now, and so the run
Speaker 1: game is definitely struggling, like Argin mentioned, and I think
Speaker 1: it's important to the workshop some of these potential reasons
Speaker 1: and potential successes as well, and to me, the outside
Speaker 1: of like personnel, the first change that I would like
Speaker 1: to see is like get north and south, like trust
Speaker 1: your physical vertical running attack that you have built the
Speaker 1: whole thing around. There's no real need for me to
Speaker 1: pivot to an outside zone rushing attack just because Austin
Speaker 1: Eckler came back. Austin Eckler can do the vertical stuff,
Speaker 1: but Joshua Kelly that's what he's built for. And in
Speaker 1: a game where you're blowing out the other team, for
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly to have six carries to me feels like
Speaker 1: a mistake. And I feel like a lot of that
Speaker 1: was in the first quarter. So I think, just like
Speaker 1: the identity that Kellen Moore came here with, you just
Speaker 1: need to keep leaning into that and that's that vertical,
Speaker 1: physical rushing attack, and I think these outside zone looks
Speaker 1: are really just not doing anything for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and another stat I wanted to talk about, so IPFF,
Speaker 3: we have a rushing yards overexpected model, So basically we're
Speaker 3: trying to predict how many yards of runner is going
Speaker 3: to get on the play based on situational factors like
Speaker 3: down in distance, where they are on the field. As
Speaker 3: well is taking into account how good the blocking is
Speaker 3: on that play, So the number of positive blocks that
Speaker 3: were recorded by any offensive line in or tight end
Speaker 3: and the amount of negative blocks the chargers outside of
Speaker 3: the red zone, so not filtering those red zone plays.
Speaker 3: The Charges rank dead last in terms of expected yards,
Speaker 3: so they're not putting their runners in a good position
Speaker 3: to succeed, whether that is the tight end room, whether
Speaker 3: that is the offensive linement, or like you said, Steven,
Speaker 3: the scheme is just not putting anyone in success to succeed.
Speaker 6: At least in the run game.
Speaker 3: They've only been expected to gain three point three eight
Speaker 3: yards outside of the red zone, which again, that's dead
Speaker 3: last in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Only the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs are thirty first, so and they're thirty first
Speaker 3: by point two yards, so the Charges are last by
Speaker 3: a pretty i would say significant margin. So that's definitely
Speaker 3: something that needs to be fixed. I just wanted to
Speaker 3: add another stat to the plate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I appreciate that, Stephen. Do you feel that
Speaker 5: this downhill approach would also just better suit the tight
Speaker 5: ends that they have. Is this something that Gerald Everett,
Speaker 5: Donald Parham Stone Smart can at least be seem more
Speaker 5: successful with or do you feel that it's just kind
Speaker 5: of more the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it mitigates a little bit more the
Speaker 1: responsibility of the tight end room, because if you're doing
Speaker 1: more power stuff there, you can build in more double teams,
Speaker 1: you can build in more ways to get the tight
Speaker 1: ends on the move as opposed to outside zone. If
Speaker 1: you're on the front side, you have to set the edge,
Speaker 1: like you have to go out against these edge rushers
Speaker 1: and set the edge. Or if you're on the back
Speaker 1: side of an outside zone, you have to cut off
Speaker 1: an edge rusher like Max Crosby. And that's just we
Speaker 1: saw we he did on Monday Night Football, right, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just not a recipe for success. So if you're
Speaker 1: doing more power concepts, you can build in more double teams,
Speaker 1: you can build in those opportunities like Brett Coleman did
Speaker 1: that awesome breakdown of Joshua Kelly's touchdown run against the
Speaker 1: Chiefs where they kind of had Gerald Evertt in an
Speaker 1: offset thing and then he had a running start to
Speaker 1: a linebacker like that. That's the kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: I'm looking more for with this offense, and I think
Speaker 1: it just suits Joshua Kelly's skill set better. But the
Speaker 1: touches thing definitely has to improve. Like Joshua Kella getting
Speaker 1: six touches is just not going to cut it.
Speaker 2: Like he's a power back.
Speaker 1: He needs these touches to get into a rhythm. And
Speaker 1: also the offensive line, like, you can't be flip flopping
Speaker 1: back and forth between power outside zone. Expect the offensive
Speaker 1: line to be in a rhythm when every other play
Speaker 1: they're kind of switching rushing identity. So I think that's
Speaker 1: showing up on tape, and obviously Argent is correct here
Speaker 1: as showing up in the numbers as well.
Speaker 5: All right, I will pivot to something more positive because
Speaker 5: obviously they did win, and for all we can say
Speaker 5: about the rushing lack of success and the rushing attack
Speaker 5: not working so well, what did work well was the
Speaker 5: passing game and in particular Kellen Moore leaning into Yack
Speaker 5: over depth of target. It was huge for this offense
Speaker 5: and specifically for their personnel. And what it really felt
Speaker 5: like was Kellen Moore wasn't just doing what was best
Speaker 5: to express his vision for the offense and what was
Speaker 5: best for Kellen Moore's offense.
Speaker 4: It was what was best, especially at.
Speaker 5: This point in the season, for Justin Herbert, and so
Speaker 5: by doing that, it was what was best for the offense.
Speaker 4: You look at this group without Mike.
Speaker 5: Williams and then Josh Palmer, questionable going into the game
Speaker 5: and then hurt during the game. Their vertical options are
Speaker 5: currently limited, and so they really played to the strengths
Speaker 5: of Austin Eckler, of Donald Parham, and of course Quinton
Speaker 5: Johnston really played into their strengths. I mean, this team
Speaker 5: only had ninety two yards after the catch against Kansas City.
Speaker 5: They had two hundred eight yards after the catch against
Speaker 5: the Bears. I mean, significantly significantly better. That shallow crosser
Speaker 5: from Quinton Johnston. We've seen it several times now, we
Speaker 5: love replaying it.
Speaker 4: He missed.
Speaker 5: He forced three mistackles on that play alone. Keenan Anod's
Speaker 5: only forced three miss tackles all season, and Quentin Johnson
Speaker 5: on that play alone forced three. And Stephen you talked
Speaker 5: about throwing the Chris Berman whoop, because all he was
Speaker 5: doing was making Bears defenders miss. I mean he put
Speaker 5: the Bears on ice. It was exactly what he was
Speaker 5: good at. They allowed him to be that oem behold
Speaker 5: excellent from him.
Speaker 4: Donald Parham was an.
Speaker 5: Absolute force after the catch, especially on that touchdown. He
Speaker 5: was fantastic. They allowed him a couple of like delays
Speaker 5: out to the flat for him to be involved. He
Speaker 5: was excellent there. He was physical, he made guys miss.
Speaker 5: Of course, Austin Eckler had his best game. He was fantastic.
Speaker 5: The Chargers scored on all three of their touchdowns were
Speaker 5: scores from outside the rens, the red zone, shallow crosser,
Speaker 5: dump off screen. They allowed their guys to get into
Speaker 5: the end zone outside of the end zone. They didn't
Speaker 5: have to throw it down the field. Of course, when
Speaker 5: you're really close to the end zone, of course, not
Speaker 5: throwing it down the field, but still they allowed their
Speaker 5: guys after the catch to be successful and they were.
Speaker 5: And so Herbert, you know, through all of this, was
Speaker 5: only pressured eight times in total all game, and only
Speaker 5: five pressures allowed by the offensive line. And it's time
Speaker 5: to throw a went from two point nine to one
Speaker 5: seconds and two point seven seconds the past two weeks
Speaker 5: to two point four to six And it was just
Speaker 5: a brilliant adjustment that the Chargers really needed, especially ahead
Speaker 5: of the defensive front they're going to face this week
Speaker 5: where they are on pace for three hundred and ninety
Speaker 5: eight pressures this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to the Jets pass rush here in
Speaker 1: a second, but you know, it's just it was really
Speaker 1: nice to see Kellen Moore make these adjustments, and then
Speaker 1: this is why I was preaching patients for the offense
Speaker 1: like all over the last few weeks, Like you have
Speaker 1: to realize that this team, in this coaching staff is
Speaker 1: adjusting to life without Mike Williams, adjusting to life without
Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley. You know, Quentin Johnson is coming along, and
Speaker 1: you just have these different different I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: this game, you don't have Gerald ever, Josh Palmer has
Speaker 1: the knee injury. Like you have to account for this
Speaker 1: new offensive coaching staff. I know that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of similar position coaches, right, but Kellen Moore is doing
Speaker 1: all this for the first time with the Chargers, and
Speaker 1: so for him to come out and have this specifically
Speaker 1: the passing plan, I think really shows an area of
Speaker 1: growth for where this offense can continue to go. Because
Speaker 1: we know that they can hit the deep shots. We
Speaker 1: know that they can hit the deep overs. Those are
Speaker 1: the Kellen Moore staples that we've seen lead to you know,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen having such a high level of deep passing
Speaker 1: successful plays this year. You know, we know that they
Speaker 1: can hit the deep over for Josh Palmer for a
Speaker 1: big play in Quentin Johnson hopefully in the future, but
Speaker 1: we need to see more singles, or we needed to
Speaker 1: see more singles, more doubles, and I think we saw
Speaker 1: that on Sunday night against the Bears. Ardude, what did
Speaker 1: you make of the kind of the the more quick
Speaker 1: passing game approach from Kellen Moore on Sunday?
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I loved it.
Speaker 3: I've been a big fan of what Kellen Moore has
Speaker 3: been putting together in the passing game this year. Like
Speaker 3: I think in the Dallas game, we saw Justin kind
Speaker 3: of had those uncharacteristic misses, but guys were open, like
Speaker 3: he was scheming guys open or Keenan was getting opened by,
Speaker 3: you know, by Kellen's play design, and so I definitely
Speaker 3: think like he's done a great job. One of the
Speaker 3: things that I've loved about his his passing scheme is
Speaker 3: the explosives, Right, That's one of the things that we
Speaker 3: wanted to see be upgraded from Joe Lombardi's scheme last year,
Speaker 3: and I think that's definitely something we're seeing this year.
Speaker 3: This year, the Chargers have currently thirty passes of twenty
Speaker 3: plus yards, So that's what you would define as an
Speaker 3: explosive play, and that ranks fifth in the league, and
Speaker 3: they've had a bye week, so they're in terms of
Speaker 3: per game, they're probably a little bit higher than that.
Speaker 3: And as Tyler talked about, like you want to compliment
Speaker 3: that with a short yak game, which is what fits
Speaker 3: into Quinton Johnson's abilities, Darius Davis if you want to get.
Speaker 6: Him involved like that.
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler obviously one of the best in the league,
Speaker 3: turning a checkdown of negative two yards into six yards.
Speaker 3: So I think kind of complementing that explosive pass game,
Speaker 3: which they've been able to do despite not having maybe
Speaker 3: the fastest receivers, with that shorter yak game I think
Speaker 3: will be super helpful to this offense, mainly because if
Speaker 3: you look at the Chargers, they you know, going back
Speaker 3: to the advanced stats, they rank like pretty high in
Speaker 3: terms of expected points added, which expected points added kind
Speaker 3: of or EPAS is kind of skewed by explosive plays.
Speaker 3: But in terms of success rate, which is measuring how
Speaker 3: well you're staying ahead of schedule, they haven't been more
Speaker 3: like average, not a top five, So they've been they've
Speaker 3: been explosive, but that's coming at the expense of them
Speaker 3: keeping being on schedule. And I think having that short
Speaker 3: yak game will kind of compliment that explosive passing game
Speaker 3: really well. And overall that kind of marriage of that
Speaker 3: short and deep game, the single, the hitting a single
Speaker 3: or hitting.
Speaker 6: A home run.
Speaker 3: I think that's where you want the Chargers to be,
Speaker 3: and they have the personnel to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uppercuts and knockouts are really cool, but you got
Speaker 5: to have those body blows too, and it was really
Speaker 5: cool to see that the Chargers had that. But then
Speaker 5: you don't miss out on the deep throws. Sure there's fewer,
Speaker 5: of course, but you still have the corner route to
Speaker 5: Keenan All and you still have that deep pass to
Speaker 5: to Donald Parham like. They were still able to push
Speaker 5: the ball down the field while still keeping ahead of
Speaker 5: the chains, out of the down and distance, et cetera,
Speaker 5: because of the body blows. So it worked out phenomenally.
Speaker 5: It was a great, great game plan.
Speaker 1: Look at us cross referencing boxing and baseball and on
Speaker 1: a football show, look at us I love it both.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 1: My truth of the game is that this was the
Speaker 1: return of mister Joey Bosa. This was the best game
Speaker 1: of his season for sure. Obviously he's been dealing with
Speaker 1: the hamstring and the toe injury. You know, the numbers
Speaker 1: are not eye popping. This isn't the six sack game
Speaker 1: from Khalil Mack, but still for Joey Buzz to come
Speaker 1: in for this game and post his five total pressures,
Speaker 1: one sack, one quarterback hit, still a very impressive game
Speaker 1: against the team that was doing a lot of six
Speaker 1: man protections. Running the football in that kind of game
Speaker 1: script rotating as much as they do with two Lee
Speaker 1: as well. I think you saw Joey really flash what
Speaker 1: has made him so great for such an extended period
Speaker 1: of time. This was really the first time where I
Speaker 1: sit back and I watch his tape and I feel
Speaker 1: like I really felt his power comeback, really felt his
Speaker 1: explosiveness off the football come back. And there were some
Speaker 1: reps where he had the Bears offensive tackles, albeit not
Speaker 1: great offensive tackles, there's still NFL offensive tackles. Had them
Speaker 1: turning like a top flowing flowing around with both arms up,
Speaker 1: looking like the car dealership inflatable machine out there, and
Speaker 1: just putting these offensive tackles and guards in the quarterback
Speaker 1: lap was a true treat to see he had three
Speaker 1: run stops as well, really made his presence felt in
Speaker 1: that regard, and so this is huge news for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: This means that the Chargers can get out there with
Speaker 1: their foremat combination of Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Morgan Fox
Speaker 1: and Tuley at a much more frequent level and just
Speaker 1: get after folks. And this is especially important against the
Speaker 1: Jets on Monday Night Football because the Jets have one
Speaker 1: of the longest distance to go on third downs, which
Speaker 1: is I don't know if we were going to talk
Speaker 1: about that, but the Jets are not staying ahead of
Speaker 1: the sticks and this is definitely a game where this
Speaker 1: foremat combination should be out there very often and should
Speaker 1: be able to get after the pass or so. Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa had his highest pass rush win rate as a
Speaker 1: starter since Week two of last season. We've seen him
Speaker 1: have some pretty big games at the end of last season,
Speaker 1: you know, as a reserve in terms of win rate,
Speaker 1: but he had a win rate of twenty three point
Speaker 1: eight percent according to PFF, which is his highest of
Speaker 1: the season by farest the only game of the season
Speaker 1: where he's been above twenty percent.
Speaker 2: So far this year. So this is huge news for
Speaker 2: the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa making his presence known on Sunday Night Football,
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to see what this trio of
Speaker 1: edge rushers can really look like now that all three
Speaker 1: of them are healthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing what you can do when your toe
Speaker 4: isn't fractured. He recovered from it.
Speaker 2: I play with a steel toe boot on basically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that helps when you don't have to
Speaker 5: do that. I took like two weeks off from the
Speaker 5: gym because my shoulder hurt.
Speaker 4: I certainly didn't have.
Speaker 5: To go face NFL tackles week in and week out
Speaker 5: with a shoulder injury. Granted, Joey Bosa is a bit
Speaker 5: more physically talented and very tough, but still like him
Speaker 5: returning to form was awesome. And the Chargers, they give
Speaker 5: up that explosive play on the first play of the
Speaker 5: game and you think, oh goodness, here we go. But
Speaker 5: Joey Bosa responded and it absolutely knocked over the left guard.
Speaker 5: Was a terror for most of the night for them. Again,
Speaker 5: it wasn't like the six sack performance like you said,
Speaker 5: but five prushures, a sack, the run stops, etc.
Speaker 4: That's what we needed from Joey both. That's we've been
Speaker 4: waiting to see.
Speaker 5: And I am sure that these edge rushers are absolutely
Speaker 5: excited about the Jets next week because at the stat
Speaker 5: you said, and all we'll get into in just a bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, we can kind of talk about the Jets.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Jets are five missing offensive linemen right.
Speaker 3: Dwayne Downs on IR, Connor McGovern and West schweitz Er
Speaker 3: just went on IR. Elijah Vera Tucker, one of the
Speaker 3: best young offensive alignment in the league, went on IR.
Speaker 3: They're missing and joe Tipman, their second round pick, who
Speaker 3: was playing great when he.
Speaker 6: Was healthy, is on hire or is out.
Speaker 3: So, as Tyler talked about, Joey won that rep to
Speaker 3: get the sackle over our guard. The Jets are missing
Speaker 3: three interior offensive lignment. They're playing Billy Turner at right guard,
Speaker 3: who's normally he was played tackle his whole life.
Speaker 6: They're playing him out.
Speaker 3: Of position, and you have and I don't think Joey's
Speaker 3: athletic enough to do the Micah Parsons Malex Sygarrett thing
Speaker 3: where he lines up over the center like Melvin. But
Speaker 3: the Jets are starting Xavier Newman, who just got signed
Speaker 3: to their practice squad two weeks ago off the street.
Speaker 3: So if there's ever a time for Joey to be
Speaker 3: feasting on the interior, I think this matchup versus the
Speaker 3: Jets is the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We've seen two Ley do that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it should be.
Speaker 1: It should be fun there, All right, guys, any other
Speaker 1: final thoughts before we get to our game ball about
Speaker 1: the Chargers performance against the Bears. Nope, all right, hey guys.
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Speaker 1: awaits only with on location Tyler, why don't you kick
Speaker 1: us off? Who's your game ball of the week.
Speaker 5: My game ball of the week is a bit different.
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with a trio of coaches that
Speaker 5: is Jay Rodgers, the interior defensive line coach and run
Speaker 5: game coordinator, Giff Smith who worked at the ed rushers
Speaker 5: like Joey Bosa, and Jeff Howard the linebackers coach.
Speaker 4: And this is not even just really a game.
Speaker 5: Ball, it's really kind of a half season game ball
Speaker 5: and award I think for how much better this run
Speaker 5: defense has been. I'm not saying they're even an elite
Speaker 5: run defense right now, but they are way better than
Speaker 5: what we were hoping for going into this season. Really
Speaker 5: without many changes. This is for the most part the
Speaker 5: same group, obviously bringing Nick Williams Eric Kendricks, but for
Speaker 5: the most part these guys are all the same. Oh
Speaker 5: that to the guys pretty good too. But I think
Speaker 5: just this trio of coaches has got so much out
Speaker 5: of this group against the run and also rushing the pass,
Speaker 5: so they're getting better and better.
Speaker 4: Like this pass rush unit has.
Speaker 5: Another tier or two to go with Joy returning, and
Speaker 5: they're always already doing so well so far. The reason
Speaker 5: the defense is in it at all in most games
Speaker 5: is because of this front seven.
Speaker 4: So the game ball to me goes to those three
Speaker 4: coaches because.
Speaker 5: They continue to pass the test, in particular against the run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that on our show live, that
Speaker 1: this was going to be a big test for this
Speaker 1: Chargers defensive front and the Bears wanted to run the
Speaker 1: football and they did and three point eight yards.
Speaker 2: Per carry is is. No, it was lower than that.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, But defensive front played well for sure, Argine,
Speaker 1: If you had to pick a game ball for this week,
Speaker 1: who would it.
Speaker 2: Be for you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna I'll go with Donald Parhum.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think he stepped up well in Gerald Everett's absence.
Speaker 3: Four catches forty three yards, a nice touchdown where he
Speaker 3: kind of you took two defenders for a ride where
Speaker 3: he caught the ball at like the six or seven
Speaker 3: and then was able to turn up field really quickly
Speaker 3: and outstretch for a touchdown. He also had a really
Speaker 3: nice catch on a crossing route with the defender draped
Speaker 3: all over his back. That was a dying by Herbert,
Speaker 3: But I thought that was a great great catches well
Speaker 3: given the type of coverage that parm was seeing, So
Speaker 3: there weren't.
Speaker 6: You know, I think it was a good win.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was a lot of standouts
Speaker 3: but I thought Parum definitely stepped up in Everett's absence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think for me, I
Speaker 1: want to give this game ball to a Loohi Gillman.
Speaker 1: I know the stats are not necessarily eye popping, but
Speaker 1: we talked about this heading into the game on our show.
Speaker 1: He just has a tendency to be this spark plug
Speaker 1: for this Charters defense and specifically the secondary.
Speaker 2: You know, he did not get the interception.
Speaker 1: It was obviously Derwin James, but Alohi Gimman was the
Speaker 1: cause of the interception. I think just the way that
Speaker 1: he played on the back end, you could really feel
Speaker 1: his stabilizing presence and what he was really meaning for
Speaker 1: this team.
Speaker 2: So interception goes to their win.
Speaker 1: I think the credit really goes to a Loohi Gimman
Speaker 1: for what the play that he made on that football
Speaker 1: run defense playing the free safety position, which is not
Speaker 1: really his natural position anyway, just really has a stabilizing
Speaker 1: presence back there. So I wanted to give a Loohi
Speaker 1: Gillman a shout out. He'll get my game ball today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been a closer for them. The last time
Speaker 5: he played was against the Vikings and he in two
Speaker 5: separate drives was huge, and then stopping the Vikings there
Speaker 5: and of course in this game, another great pass breakup
Speaker 5: pops the ball up Jermen James picks it up like
Speaker 5: there are just some guys you need to just be
Speaker 5: good at football, you know, to see the flashiest name
Speaker 5: is even the flashiest safety on the team.
Speaker 4: No, but he's so important to this team.
Speaker 5: And you can really tell this defense is just better
Speaker 5: when a Lohi Gillman is out there.
Speaker 4: And that's no disrespect to Dean Marlowe either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dean have been playing pretty well too. So all right,
Speaker 1: let's get to some of this Chargers Jets talk. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Monday night football in New Jersey, it's a big game.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have Argin on here because I think
Speaker 1: it's it's such a fascinating thing that the Jets are
Speaker 1: four and three right now, because I think if you
Speaker 1: had told any Jets fan, heck, if you had told Argin,
Speaker 1: the July version of Argin that the Jets are gonna
Speaker 1: lose Aaron Rodgers, all the offensive line that we just
Speaker 1: mentioned and they're gonna be four and three, I think
Speaker 1: everybody in New York, New Jersey would have been shocked.
Speaker 1: So Argin, I just kind of want you to set
Speaker 1: the table here a little bit, because you were there
Speaker 1: were the what was the vibe around the Jets with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? What were like, really the expectations heading into
Speaker 1: the season with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I won't lie.
Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of Super Bowl aspirations
Speaker 3: there for good reason. I mean, he really looked good
Speaker 3: during training camp and it's obviously unfortunate that the Met
Speaker 3: Life Turf claimed him for plays into the season. Yea,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean this is a team that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you told me that in July, I'd probably be
Speaker 3: a little bit shocked, given how hard the Jets schedule
Speaker 3: was to start. But I think the Jets, you know,
Speaker 3: obviously speaking, they've done very well. They've been very crappy,
Speaker 3: been pulling out some of these close games that you know,
Speaker 3: usually you need a good quarterback or an elite quarterback
Speaker 3: to win these close games. And Zach Wilson, objectively speaking,
Speaker 3: hasn't been a great quarterback to start his career, but
Speaker 3: he's kind of turned around the way he's played football.
Speaker 3: He's taking care of the football a little bit more.
Speaker 3: His turnover worthy play rate is much lower this year.
Speaker 3: In fact, it's lower than just Herbert, So you know,
Speaker 3: you look at some of the things that they've changed. Obviously,
Speaker 3: getting Breeze hallback, one of the most electric backs in
Speaker 3: the game, has been huge. But I still think this
Speaker 3: is a team that has Super bo Bowl aspirations. The
Speaker 3: defense is playing as good as anyone, and we'll talk
Speaker 3: about like why they're playing so good, and you know,
Speaker 3: and they've put some of the best quarterbacks in the
Speaker 3: NFL in a blender and some of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 3: in the league have had their worst performances against this
Speaker 3: Robert Solid led Jets defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this defense is really really good.
Speaker 5: And when we all picked the Chargers to either win
Speaker 5: or lose but by like a thirteen to fourteen or
Speaker 5: seventeen to eighteen sort of score this week, because this
Speaker 5: defense is really really good for the Jets, But the
Speaker 5: offense is kind of what I want to stay focused
Speaker 5: on here, because yeah, I think we all, I think
Speaker 5: unanimously picked the Jets to make the playoffs in some capacity,
Speaker 5: and that was certainly because of Aaron Rodgers. If you
Speaker 5: told me that it would have been Zach Wilson at quarterback.
Speaker 5: Don't think I would have picked that one but the
Speaker 5: Dolphins or anybody else, but they've been solid, not counting
Speaker 5: the last game where that was the third most punts
Speaker 5: in NFL history in a game, although the Giants did
Speaker 5: contribute to that as well. What have you seen from
Speaker 5: Zach Wilson this year, maybe even compared to last year,
Speaker 5: so between different offensive coordinators from this year to last year,
Speaker 5: maybe just having Breeze Hall in there, of course Garrett
Speaker 5: Wilson tape stepping up in year two, etc. What have
Speaker 5: you seen, argin or even steven from Zach Wilson this
Speaker 5: year that's maybe different? Has he taken any step forward
Speaker 5: outside of the turnover.
Speaker 4: Where they play rate?
Speaker 5: Because the stats are so interesting. He's third in aggressiveness
Speaker 5: in the NFL this season, but he's not completing these
Speaker 5: passes either. He's only twenty seven completions over I think
Speaker 5: ten yards of this season. Justin Herbert has thirty nine,
Speaker 5: Josh Dobbs has forty three.
Speaker 4: I mean Derek Carr is thirty eight.
Speaker 5: You know, so they're very aggressive, but they're not really
Speaker 5: completing that aggressiveness.
Speaker 4: And then, of course the.
Speaker 5: One thing, and I'm curious where you feel this is
Speaker 5: the issue, Argin. You know, as Stephen pointed out earlier,
Speaker 5: the Jets are the longest distance to go on third
Speaker 5: down at over eight yards, and they are also the
Speaker 5: worst by quite a bit in ep A pri play
Speaker 5: on third down at almost like negative four EPA per
Speaker 5: player or whatever it is, which is not great. So
Speaker 5: Argent and or Steven, what have you seen from Zach
Speaker 5: Wilson this year and what's going on with that that inefficiency,
Speaker 5: especially on third down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can jump in real quick. So,
Speaker 3: like I talked about his his turnover worthy play rate
Speaker 3: is down. His eight hot is also about two yards
Speaker 3: lower than it was last year. He's he's throwing the
Speaker 3: ball a little bit quicker. But I think this Chefs
Speaker 3: offense is tough, too tough to explain because Nathaniel Hackett
Speaker 3: was hired for a reason. Aaron Rodgers had two of
Speaker 3: the best years of his career under Hackett. They install,
Speaker 3: you know, an offense for Aaron Rodgers. Nathaniel Hocket obviously
Speaker 3: tailoring a lot of things for Aaron Rodgers. One of
Speaker 3: the biggest things that Rogers loves is not to use
Speaker 3: motion despite you know, if we talk about which teams
Speaker 3: use motion the most often in the NFL this year,
Speaker 3: it's the Dolphins, the Niners, the ram the Chiefs, and
Speaker 3: the Chargers. Those are five of the best offenses in
Speaker 3: the NFL in terms, you know, and they use motion
Speaker 3: the most often. The Jets are only using motion on
Speaker 3: about thirty seven percent of their plays, which is the
Speaker 3: sixth lowest. That is again what Aaron Rodgers wanted, and
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson, unfortunately, I wouldn't say unfortunately, he is basically
Speaker 3: running the Aaron Rodgers offense.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: Even when he is running motion, he only has a
Speaker 3: thirty seven percent success.
Speaker 6: Rate, which is the third lowest.
Speaker 3: So there aren't a lot of great things about this
Speaker 3: Jets offense. The biggest thing I think is the Zach
Speaker 3: Wilson Garrett Wilson connection. That is has been very good,
Speaker 3: especially out of structure. In structure, I think Wilson's also
Speaker 3: done a great job with some of these inbreaking routes.
Speaker 3: I think that's where he has the most success. On
Speaker 3: some of these play action like drift routes or crossing routes.
Speaker 3: I think that's where I've seen him make some of those.
Speaker 3: Some of his best throws on the year that Chiefs game,
Speaker 3: he had a couple of nice throws across the middle.
Speaker 3: But I think where it can get a little bit
Speaker 3: tough for them is, you know, when no one's open.
Speaker 3: I think he does panic a little, panic a little.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's that great out of structure either.
Speaker 3: He'll make a couple throws now and then, but I
Speaker 3: think if you're able to, you know, force him outside
Speaker 3: the pocket, it's most likely going to result in a
Speaker 3: negative play then it is in a positive play.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the numbers, you know,
Speaker 1: Argent pointing out the areas that are different. But I
Speaker 1: think you watch the tape a little bit here, and
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is that he's willing to
Speaker 1: take the checkdowns more often. Now that was such an
Speaker 1: issue previously, where it was like he was essentially living
Speaker 1: like you know, the phrase that a lot of quarterback
Speaker 1: gurus will use is like touchdown a checkdown and like
Speaker 1: meaning like you go vertical and then you check it down.
Speaker 1: I feel like previously Zach Wilson was always like touch
Speaker 1: was touchdown or scramble, Like touchdown to scramble.
Speaker 2: Was his progression.
Speaker 1: And so he's he's taking the checkdowns more this year.
Speaker 1: The return of Breeze Hall is huge there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not like a super prolific receiver by any means,
Speaker 1: but he's got you know, one hundred and eighty nine
Speaker 1: yards receiving so far this year. His aid DOT is
Speaker 1: literally zero, so he's he's been like the beneficiary of
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, you know, being able to take the checkdowns
Speaker 1: more often.
Speaker 2: So I think that's been the key thing.
Speaker 1: But Garrett Wilson is the engine of this offense. I
Speaker 1: think Garrett Wilson is the is the key reason for
Speaker 1: why it looks better even though the points are not there,
Speaker 1: Like the Jets are not scoring at a super high level,
Speaker 1: but they're more efficient, I feel like, and Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: is really like the key reason there as a receiving threat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Garrett Wilson leading the way. Of course, Breese Hall
Speaker 4: leading the way, and then after that their options behind
Speaker 4: them are not working out.
Speaker 5: I mean, Breese Hall is first according to next gen
Speaker 5: stats and rushing yards overexpected.
Speaker 4: The guy who's last in.
Speaker 5: Rushing yards are expected is Dalvin Cook and Alan Lazard.
Speaker 5: Their wide receiver two right now has fewer receiving yards
Speaker 5: than Mike Williams, who hasn't played since Week three. So
Speaker 5: that's kind of what it's like for the Jets right now.
Speaker 5: Like it is very much so Breese Hall and Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 5: who are excellent and doing excellent work right now. And
Speaker 5: I believe Breese Hall even has a higher yards per
Speaker 5: rout run than Austin Eckler and I think like seventh
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: So Breesehaw can do everything.
Speaker 5: I know that was stevens RB one coming out of
Speaker 5: the draft that one year, they're awesome. If you can
Speaker 5: stop them, of course, and get to the other options
Speaker 5: or force the other options, it is clearly not as productive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: an interesting challenge for the defense because it's so one
Speaker 1: person central and Garrett Wilson right now, and obviously the
Speaker 1: last time we had an offense that was one person central,
Speaker 1: it didn't go so well. I think Brandon Slady wants
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a well rounded defense, but this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a game where you have to let
Speaker 1: the other guys beat you.
Speaker 2: And really focus in on Garrett Wilson here.
Speaker 1: So let's move into this this Jets defense a little
Speaker 1: bit because This is one of the nastiest fronts in
Speaker 1: the league.
Speaker 2: In my opinion.
Speaker 1: Karl Lawson is a guy who had over fifty pressures
Speaker 1: last season and he can't even get on the field
Speaker 1: right now for this Jets defense. So, Argen, I know
Speaker 1: if you've watched Hard Knocks, like you saw specifically Quinn
Speaker 1: Williams in this defensive line just like really be the
Speaker 1: biggest outside of Aaron Rodgers. So do you feel like
Speaker 1: the Jets defensive line has has been living up to
Speaker 1: these expectations that were set out back in back in
Speaker 1: the summer.
Speaker 3: I think they have And honestly, like I want to
Speaker 3: give a shout out to another unit, I want to
Speaker 3: give a shout out to the line or well shout
Speaker 3: out because I worked at that, I was worked at
Speaker 3: the two. Like the linebacking unit for the Dreads, Quincy
Speaker 3: Williams and c. J. Mosley right now, for my money,
Speaker 3: could be the second best linebacking duo in the league
Speaker 3: behind Fred Warner and Trey green Love. You could make
Speaker 3: the argument that they they've played better this season. Quincy
Speaker 3: Williams obviously signed a three year, eighteen million dollar extension.
Speaker 6: A lot of people at the time thought it was.
Speaker 3: An overpaid because he had one kind of like okay,
Speaker 3: like above average season, but you don't usually pay players
Speaker 3: like that much money after that. But he's definitely proven
Speaker 3: to be one of the better linebackers in the league.
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the best pursuit linebackers, where
Speaker 3: if you throw a screen pass or swing pass or
Speaker 3: a running back, he's always there. And I think he's
Speaker 3: done a tremendous shop in the run game. So I
Speaker 3: think more than the defensive line, honestly, I think this
Speaker 3: linebacking room has been such a stabilizing presence for the Jets,
Speaker 3: given that they've had games where they've had Sauce Gardener're out,
Speaker 3: they've had DJ Reid out, they've had their starting safety out,
Speaker 3: like they've had injuries in the secondary. But I think
Speaker 3: because of the linebacking room a CJ. Mosley, Quincy Williams,
Speaker 3: they've done such a good job against the run, taking
Speaker 3: away explosive plays and just being an overall a great
Speaker 3: presence for setting up the defensive line for success as well.
Speaker 5: It is unfair that you can have Will McDonald take
Speaker 5: forty one pass rush snaps and Carl Lawson take forty
Speaker 5: three pass rush snaps and be on pace for almost
Speaker 5: four hundred pressures this season.
Speaker 4: This front is so good and.
Speaker 5: Chargers fans will totally get this. This front is so
Speaker 5: good that they almost blitz as much as Gus Bradley
Speaker 5: and the Colts because.
Speaker 4: They don't need to to get pressure.
Speaker 5: They only blitz zero point four percent more than the Colts,
Speaker 5: which is thirty first in the league. That's how good
Speaker 5: this front is now. Gus Bradley does that by choice.
Speaker 5: The forty nine Ers don't need to because of how
Speaker 5: these guys get pressure. They are excellent and I am
Speaker 5: terrified of this group. I was terrified of the Cowboys front,
Speaker 5: of course, and that certainly did not look pretty in
Speaker 5: many moments. This Jets front is unfortunately even better, and
Speaker 5: their linebackers are actually healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is a really difficult matchup for
Speaker 1: the Chargers offense. This is going to be a matchup
Speaker 1: where you have to get the run game going this week.
Speaker 1: This is definitely a game where you're trying to protect
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, you know, limit the chances of making these
Speaker 1: mistakes because you look at these defensive linemen for the
Speaker 1: Jets and it's just it's just mind blowing. Bryce Huff,
Speaker 1: one of the most efficient pass rushers in the league,
Speaker 1: has really kind of taken that next step so far
Speaker 1: this year. You know, Quinn Williams, I think is arguably
Speaker 1: the best non Aaron Donald defensive tackle in the league,
Speaker 1: depending on how you feel about him and Chris Jones,
Speaker 1: but he's in that conversation, you know, Jermain Jermaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: Quentin Jefferson, John Franken Meers like this is this is
Speaker 1: a deep and explosive defensive line in The Chargers offensive
Speaker 1: line has not outside of the vice Kians game, which
Speaker 1: was more about like scheme and aggression, they haven't necessarily
Speaker 1: risen to the challenge, and that was obviously when Corey
Speaker 1: Lindsay was healthy. So I think the Chargers offensive line
Speaker 1: had their best game this past week against the Bears.
Speaker 1: I think hopefully you're seeing some of the kinks get
Speaker 1: worked out that it had been giving them struggles. But
Speaker 1: going from the Bears to the Jets is a pretty
Speaker 1: drastic game for this charged offensive line. So I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how Brandon Staley and Kellen Moore get this
Speaker 1: unit prepared for this because this is potentially the toughest
Speaker 1: defense that this charged offense will see all season long.
Speaker 3: One thing I did want to point out also, I
Speaker 3: was looking at this last week actually, so I wanted
Speaker 3: to look at like pressure rate and time to pressure
Speaker 3: on non blitzes. So the Jets rank fifth in pressure
Speaker 3: rate when they don't bled, so when they only sent
Speaker 3: four rushers, but they actually have like an average time
Speaker 3: to pressure for about two point six seconds, So they're
Speaker 3: getting pressure, but they're not getting pressure super quickly, which
Speaker 3: I think speaks to how good coverage unit is of
Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner, DJ Reid, Michael Carter, and then the linebackers
Speaker 3: obviously mentioned like you know you're not gonna get open quickly.
Speaker 3: They also rank so with PFF, I have a stat
Speaker 3: called perfectly covered plays just basically does every defender in
Speaker 3: coverage do their job or receive a zero or a
Speaker 3: positive grade by PFF. The Jets rank top five in
Speaker 3: terms of perfectly covered rate on defense, so their coverage
Speaker 3: is doing their job, which allows their pass rush to
Speaker 3: have more time to get home, which they are at
Speaker 3: about a thirty eight percent clip so on non blitzes.
Speaker 3: And like Tyler talked about, they don't need to play.
Speaker 3: It's because because they have a great front four. I
Speaker 3: will say one thing that did happen al Woods towards Achilles.
Speaker 3: He's not a huge part of what the Jets do.
Speaker 3: He's more of a run stopping He's a huge, like
Speaker 3: six six three forty pound defensive alignment, but that forces
Speaker 3: guys like Quintin Jefferson to play more on early downs. Jefferson,
Speaker 3: I think is more of a pass rushing specialist who
Speaker 3: can mix it on early downs. But adding those snaps
Speaker 3: onto his I think could reduce his efficiency. So there
Speaker 3: are things I think that play into the Chargers favor.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think overall this is probably the best
Speaker 3: front four the Chargers are going to see for the
Speaker 3: course of the season, maybe maybe outside of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: So I'm looking for, like any optimism here. Is there
Speaker 5: any discernible either weakness in this defense or maybe just
Speaker 5: an area the Chargers are good at, maybe the Jets
Speaker 5: have trouble defending. I certainly can't think of anything right
Speaker 5: now other than justin Herbert make good play, which happens
Speaker 5: frequently and can happen. But other than that, is there
Speaker 5: something that is maybe sustainable that the Charger will try
Speaker 5: to exploit this week if possible at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one thing from a data perspective that I
Speaker 3: was looking at that the Chargers that matches up well
Speaker 3: is running outside of the right tackle spots, running to
Speaker 3: Trey Pipkins outside shoulder. So the Chargers this year are
Speaker 3: averaging they're averaging about like a fifty. They're actually averaging
Speaker 3: a fifty percent success rate when they run outside of
Speaker 3: Trey Pipkins right shoulder, which is which is like about
Speaker 3: six percent higher than the league average success rate in
Speaker 3: those situations. The Jets worst the Jets run defense worst
Speaker 3: gap is when teams run outside the right tackles right shoulder.
Speaker 3: So the Chargers' best or one of the best run
Speaker 3: gaps for the Chargers is running to Trey Pipkins outside shoulder.
Speaker 3: And that's where the Jets defense struggle as well. And
Speaker 3: part of that is because Bryce Huff Will McDonald, they're
Speaker 3: they're very good at rushing the passer, but they're also
Speaker 3: undersized pass rushers. Even Draymaine Johnson like he's very athletic,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't very athletic.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say he has a ton of power.
Speaker 3: He's he definitely has a bowl rush in his arsenal,
Speaker 3: but I definitely think he can be a liability against
Speaker 3: the run. He likes to line up over the right tackle,
Speaker 3: whereas JFM is over the left tackle. So when you
Speaker 3: talk about establishing the run game, you know this could
Speaker 3: be a big Trey Pipkins, Jamari Sallier, whoever the tight
Speaker 3: end is going to be.
Speaker 6: Outside of Trey Pipkins.
Speaker 3: I think if you want to run the ball, running
Speaker 3: it to that right tackle spot outside the right tackle shoulder,
Speaker 3: that because that's that's where statistically the charges have been good.
Speaker 6: And also the Jets defensive struggled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that checks out.
Speaker 1: I think Jamari and Trey like they have some communication
Speaker 1: issues from a pass protection standpoint, but I've really loved
Speaker 1: watching them run block and I think this past week
Speaker 1: seeing Kellen Moore introduced the Jordan mcfatten hulk package was
Speaker 1: a really nice surprise. I would like to see that
Speaker 1: continue this week and maybe just kind of hammer that
Speaker 1: point home. So I think this is normally the three
Speaker 1: of us advocate for big justin Herbert games. I think
Speaker 1: this needs to be a big running back game too,
Speaker 1: and maybe get some jet sweeps with Daris Davis and
Speaker 1: Quenton Johnson and just really established the run so to
Speaker 1: speak this week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fine by me.
Speaker 5: I this is a week where I really don't care
Speaker 5: how they get it done on offense. Just get like
Speaker 5: seventeen points and you're probably winning this game, especially traveling
Speaker 5: across the country, so you can get to seventeen.
Speaker 4: But that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if you're a betting person, I think you're
Speaker 1: smashing the under this week. Is what I'm gathering from
Speaker 1: this conversation today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, you know, this was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a really interesting
Speaker 1: trench matchup if you're if you're a fan of the trenches,
Speaker 1: you're a fan of film, this this should be a
Speaker 1: game that should be really exciting to watch for you.
Speaker 2: Back on tape. And I'm excited to get to that point.
Speaker 2: So we are.
Speaker 1: We got an appearance from a gladial tonight. Love it
Speaker 1: very fitting on Halloween that the dog makes an appearance.
Speaker 1: All right, Arjin any final thoughts before we head out
Speaker 1: for tonight.
Speaker 3: Now, I really appreciate you guys having me on as well.
Speaker 3: This was This was a very fun conversation to have,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm excited for both. I'm excited for this game, obviously,
Speaker 3: with rooting interest for both teams. I just hope that
Speaker 3: both teams come out of their relatively healthy given all
Speaker 3: the injuries that have happened on MetLife at the MetLife Turf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully nothing major there, Tyler, any final thoughts
Speaker 1: before we head out.
Speaker 4: I'm so blummed Argie just said that.
Speaker 5: Dude, I hope for nothing but health and happiness the
Speaker 5: rest of the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, health and happiness. That's a good all right, guys,
Speaker 2: that's going to do it for us tonight.
Speaker 1: As always, make sure like subscribe, comment all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We're obviously very grateful of the Chargers who have this
Speaker 1: platform and appreciate Greg Kim and Brian Jorgensen for producing tonight.
Speaker 2: That's going to do it for us. We'll see you
Speaker 2: guys next week. As always, Both up,