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Speaker 1: of course man we have journalists extraordinarire mister Sawn Baker.
Speaker 4: Into his now Yes, yes, thanks for having me, Ah
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. Man, you know we touching down man on
Speaker 1: this top fifty gangster rap albums of all time. Man,
Speaker 1: it's been a a journey, and I won't say it's
Speaker 1: been too much controversy with it. Man, you know anything,
Speaker 1: you know? First of all, these are just our opinions.
Speaker 1: Y'all free to go out there and create any kind
Speaker 1: of holistics y'all want to. But I think that we
Speaker 1: are the experts up here. I do think we know
Speaker 1: a little bit of something. What we were talking about.
Speaker 3: Were the experts?
Speaker 5: Well, hey, I don't say we we we have a
Speaker 5: we have a high opinion.
Speaker 3: You get me. You wanna be you wanna be labeled
Speaker 3: the expert?
Speaker 1: Well, I think I gotta not. You know, motherfuckers have
Speaker 1: actually paid me for my opinion on certain you know, man,
Speaker 1: I think I want to know a little something. You know,
Speaker 1: how many records you don't sow? You know, saw like
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen million records? I think that would make you
Speaker 1: when someone on road for everybody from the La Times
Speaker 1: to the Sores and all this other shit. So I
Speaker 1: would say we definitely know a little bit more than
Speaker 1: the average bear.
Speaker 4: More than a little bit, you know, a.
Speaker 1: Little bit more, man, I want to hop right into it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: When we talk about the top five gangster rap albums
Speaker 1: of all time, we talk about like albums like you know,
Speaker 1: the Chronic Can't forget that Ice Cube, America's most wanted
Speaker 1: certificate albums like that. Man, I think with some of
Speaker 1: the craziest production around, the Boogeyman just went insane on that.
Speaker 1: DJ Bobcat, DJ Pool, who else? To Rashad, it was
Speaker 1: just real, just nasty on that album. He did a lot.
Speaker 1: It was just a very well produced album. I think
Speaker 1: there was kind of ahead of his time because it
Speaker 1: kind of took that. You remember back then how everybody
Speaker 1: was missing samples together. Yeah, but they had started kind
Speaker 1: of playing their own instrumentation during that time over whereas
Speaker 1: the Bomb Squad was just kind of sample of stuff
Speaker 1: as it was.
Speaker 6: Well, that's one of the many things as rap production
Speaker 6: in the late eighties going into the early nineties, there
Speaker 6: was a lot of musicianship that people I think don't
Speaker 6: understand or appreciate because a lot of people dre in particular,
Speaker 6: you know, as you know on the early Ruthless records,
Speaker 6: they had a lot of drums that were live, a
Speaker 6: lot of bass guitars staying guitar man and guitar man
Speaker 6: Sims and all those type of dudes. Man, they were
Speaker 6: playing live music, and that I think makes it's a
Speaker 6: big difference when.
Speaker 5: You I guess, you know, the sample era was, you
Speaker 5: know what it was, But a lot of dudes didn't
Speaker 5: want to touch that ship because they didn't want to
Speaker 5: give up that bread.
Speaker 4: So very expensive.
Speaker 5: That's what made uh me and you know slipping who
Speaker 5: you know whatever. That's why we wanted to start creating.
Speaker 5: I guess basically what we would hear or just try
Speaker 5: to come up with our own melodies or whatever, and
Speaker 5: then we would bring it, you know, Willie z in,
Speaker 5: you know, because I mean sampling was good, you know,
Speaker 5: especially if you know how to chop a lot of
Speaker 5: ship up, which a lot of good producers knew how
Speaker 5: to do back then. But a lot of records were
Speaker 5: sample heavy man back.
Speaker 3: In that era.
Speaker 6: So in this time too, a lot of people were
Speaker 6: doing their interpolations. So explain how to that worked financially
Speaker 6: if you interpolated a record versus sample.
Speaker 4: That what was the financial difference? Hmm?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I would just say, and the way
Speaker 5: we did shit is. We would try to hide the
Speaker 5: shit you get me, so the financial gain from it
Speaker 5: would would be you so better because you wasn't given
Speaker 5: up publishing, and then you wasn't giving up you know whatever,
Speaker 5: or the whole song. Sometimes you would have to give
Speaker 5: up the whole fucking song. If you sample somebody'shit and
Speaker 5: it was recognizable, so you know, learning how to interpret
Speaker 5: the shit, you could do different tricks with it. You know,
Speaker 5: leave a note out here or there, add a note here,
Speaker 5: add this or add that. So you know, a lot
Speaker 5: of shit I replayed, you know, it was probably shit
Speaker 5: I heard. But then by the time I got to
Speaker 5: the keyboard and Willie Z and we would just recreate
Speaker 5: this shit. You know, wanted to have probably the same
Speaker 5: melody and.
Speaker 4: Shit, but like the same feel but a different.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna change up something, so a motherfucker just
Speaker 5: can't be like, oh that's my song, you get me?
Speaker 1: You know, I think a thing that was really pivotal
Speaker 1: to that time because before if you remember, with sampling,
Speaker 1: wasn't nobody clearing shit for a long time hip hop,
Speaker 1: But then biz Mark he got hit with that. When
Speaker 1: biz Mark he got hit with the album, was it.
Speaker 4: What was I need a haircut?
Speaker 1: I need a haircut and he got hit man. It
Speaker 1: was something man like.
Speaker 4: It was Gilbert O'Sullivan, I believe, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It was something like a million dollars at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did a ceason assist. They had to pull
Speaker 4: the record.
Speaker 6: So I remember when I bought it, I was one
Speaker 6: of the only people in Maryland that had it because
Speaker 6: the album got yanked pretty quick. So that basically put
Speaker 6: a big problem in the biz. Marky's career and a
Speaker 6: lot of other people got they old tribe called quest
Speaker 6: I heard I had read multiple times over the years
Speaker 6: that can I Kick It?
Speaker 4: They don't get any money.
Speaker 6: Off that because they didn't clear any of the samples,
Speaker 6: and Lou reed, I guess it's the Walk on the
Speaker 6: wild Side, I believe, but he basically owns can I
Speaker 6: Kick It? So they don't get any money off that song.
Speaker 1: You know. The one upside to it, door is they
Speaker 1: get that touring revenue off of.
Speaker 4: That, that's for sure, you know, because.
Speaker 1: You know, Tribe has been all around.
Speaker 6: The world, you know, many times forming that song, you know,
Speaker 6: so they even use it.
Speaker 4: At the NFL.
Speaker 6: Man shout out to Justin Tucker when the Ravens when
Speaker 6: they go to commercial break they play can I Kick It?
Speaker 6: A lot of times on a commercial. I've seen it
Speaker 6: at least three or four times over the last two
Speaker 6: or three years.
Speaker 1: But that's the downside to what his artists get older
Speaker 1: that tipping them not getting none of that money. You know,
Speaker 1: the low family is getting that money. And in some
Speaker 1: cases you only taking a little tiny semission of a
Speaker 1: sample and it's like, shit it dog, I want the
Speaker 1: whole record.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh Steely Dan was the same thing for
Speaker 6: me myself and I I don't I don't remember reading
Speaker 6: the financial breakdown of that, but that's really what hurt
Speaker 6: a lot of uh Our Soul's early momentum because of that.
Speaker 6: But yeah, man, and when was that the Guns on
Speaker 6: Peter Guns. Yeah, they sampled Steely Dan and they did
Speaker 6: the same thing that.
Speaker 5: That is one of the reasons why we tried to
Speaker 5: stay away from outright sample and ship because you could
Speaker 5: probably get the label to pay for it, which is
Speaker 5: gonna come out of your budget.
Speaker 4: And I was gonna say it's your budget, your money.
Speaker 5: But knowing that you would get no publishing, you probably
Speaker 5: have to pay some upfront money. I mean, because we
Speaker 5: we were part of that. I mean we paid, we sampled.
Speaker 5: I sampled some Berry White, you know, I sample, we
Speaker 5: sample some Isaac Hayes.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, a lot of big artists.
Speaker 3: They paid like a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: But you know, I think what was good about our
Speaker 5: ship at the time was it was away from what
Speaker 5: everybody else was typically using at the time. So we
Speaker 5: kind of got like that, Oh, okay, you want to
Speaker 5: use our ship.
Speaker 3: Okay, no problem.
Speaker 5: Oh you know, because a lot of people wasn't using
Speaker 5: you know, Berry White and other ships.
Speaker 3: We was coming from. You know, that was records I
Speaker 3: used to listen.
Speaker 1: To growing up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Berry is pretty fair with Yeah, so didn't crazy.
Speaker 5: I used I think a very white on fucking the
Speaker 5: music to drive By album, more straight checking than one
Speaker 5: of them. And then we used to walk on By
Speaker 5: by Isaac Hayes on Nigga Struggling and Ship.
Speaker 3: You know, so, I mean that's what you did.
Speaker 5: I mean back then, you know, you found a funky
Speaker 5: motherfucking record and you go ahead and try to chop
Speaker 5: it up, but you know the consequences of it. So
Speaker 5: it all depends on how much you you desperately feel
Speaker 5: like that song is worth giving up, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, all your publishing and giving up a couple
Speaker 5: of dollars up front and maybe all on the back end.
Speaker 4: Who knows, But well I also know too.
Speaker 6: Some artists had it that if a producer was gonna sample,
Speaker 6: the producer was responsible for Yeah.
Speaker 3: They started doing they started doing that.
Speaker 5: Well, if you produce the record, yeah, it's gonna come
Speaker 5: out of your end and your publishing and whatever. So
Speaker 5: that wouldn't affect like me as a writer or an artist,
Speaker 5: because I'm not the one who produced the beat, So
Speaker 5: why should I get my cut taken out of a
Speaker 5: money drawn from me? You gotta pay for that, especially
Speaker 5: if you using an out our producer outside of the camp.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. I remember when I was working
Speaker 1: for Minder Music, we were actually involved in suing Doctor
Speaker 1: Dre for the Less Get Higher record because he had
Speaker 1: used the baseline from the fat back band the Dunk
Speaker 1: d Dunk. And what was crazy about it is John
Speaker 1: Foggery that was the guy on Minded Music shout out
Speaker 1: the Big John out of the UK. But he contacted
Speaker 1: Dre numerous times he wanted to clear the record. Wow,
Speaker 1: like we wanted to clear the record. He just wouldn't
Speaker 1: respond when Dre when we went to court with Dre,
Speaker 1: you know what dra did. Drake came in, went to
Speaker 1: sleep and walked out and left like he didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. He didn't give a fuck, walk out and left.
Speaker 3: What y'all won't, man?
Speaker 1: I think that sample wound up costing him one point
Speaker 1: two million.
Speaker 3: Dollars And they get a nigga that ship billion.
Speaker 1: Dollars and they own like the publishing for the song.
Speaker 1: But they wanted to share with him that. They were
Speaker 1: willing to do that, but he just wouldn't get back
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because at that time, you know, it's like, nigga, please, nigga,
Speaker 5: I'm making y'all hot as fuck again, right feel me?
Speaker 5: That was probably my nigga, Dre's motherfucking mind state, Like nigga.
Speaker 5: Ain't nobody in ninety three bumping fat back band?
Speaker 3: You feel me? Was you bumping it?
Speaker 1: No? I was?
Speaker 4: I did what I did when the two thousand and
Speaker 4: one album.
Speaker 3: Came out as fuck.
Speaker 1: You know when one of the two thousand and one
Speaker 1: album still said, nah, I want to go back to service,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to I know you talk
Speaker 1: about death certificate someone right, Yes, I want to go
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 4: That's my number one in your mind.
Speaker 1: What makes that the number one gainst the rap album
Speaker 1: of all time?
Speaker 6: I think because it really examines, uh, so many angles
Speaker 6: of what was going on in society at the time.
Speaker 6: And Cube had so many brilliant stories that you know,
Speaker 6: from the beginning of the album to the end of
Speaker 6: the album really examined you know, Alive on Arrival was
Speaker 6: going after the healthcare system. You had Us, which was
Speaker 6: looking in the mirror at the self created problems.
Speaker 4: You had color.
Speaker 6: Blind dealing with with the problems of gang banging. You
Speaker 6: had Steady Mob, which was just a day in the hood.
Speaker 6: You had My Summer Vacation, which I think is one
Speaker 6: of the best songs ever made about the migration of
Speaker 6: gangs and drugs. You had I mean it was just
Speaker 6: back to boy I want to Kill Sam talking about
Speaker 6: the government.
Speaker 4: It was a little devil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my Summer Vacation, yeah, number which really examined the
Speaker 1: migration of the West Coast, you know, the West Coast
Speaker 1: gangsters into the.
Speaker 4: Into the Midwest and the Midwest, and.
Speaker 1: It actually spawned me being originally from the Midwest. As
Speaker 1: I remember crips and bloods coming to Ohio and it
Speaker 1: wasn't on no hostile takeover stuff like. It was just
Speaker 1: they had the best prices. They had prices cats couldn't
Speaker 1: believe in. So cats they came up there with the work.
Speaker 1: So you had cats. You saw local gangs like the
Speaker 1: Brick City Outlaws and the Dynamite Devils that had been
Speaker 1: around since the sixties started kind of making the transition
Speaker 1: and turning the blood gangs turning the crip gangs just
Speaker 1: because they met somebody that was cool from California. And
Speaker 1: a lot of those cats set up the set up
Speaker 1: shopping the Midwest. It's still there to this day. They
Speaker 1: wound up having families, wound up just never going back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they didn't go to the Feds. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the intention. Shit and Pott of Cali go somewhere set up.
Speaker 1: Once you plant the roots, you like, frok it, nigga,
Speaker 1: this is home.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they had You know, Cube does a great
Speaker 6: job on My Summer Vacation of really breaking down that
Speaker 6: reality and how the gang culture spread in a different way,
Speaker 6: and like you guys are saying, the different drugs in
Speaker 6: a different way that it was distributed, it was just
Speaker 6: my summer is just an amazing, amazing breakdown. And then
Speaker 6: of course there's a very heavy Nation of Islam influence
Speaker 6: on there, and he's talking about you know, knowledge itself
Speaker 6: and historical facts and different.
Speaker 4: Things going on.
Speaker 6: That all of that added together plus the production, plus
Speaker 6: Cube being such a brilliant writer, it just really has everything.
Speaker 6: And I think Cube, Bob Can Rashata as the Boogeyman,
Speaker 6: and then Sir Jenks all super underrated producers and all
Speaker 6: of it coming together all at once, and Cube having
Speaker 6: a few guest appearances mainly on color Blind. It was highlighted.
Speaker 6: It's incredible. It's phenomenon.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, from the transition of coming off
Speaker 5: as the solo artists, first from the America's you.
Speaker 3: Know, this record was more.
Speaker 5: West Coast field, much more America's most wanted was, you know,
Speaker 5: it had it had a few West Coast references and field,
Speaker 5: you know, we had once upon a time in the
Speaker 5: projects and you know, but I think with the death certificate,
Speaker 5: it really hit home on what you say, niggas, you know,
Speaker 5: West Coast rap and transition of what it was about.
Speaker 5: And like I said, the songs just you went through
Speaker 5: a motherfucking roller coaster ride. Yeah, and like you said,
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of that around that time,
Speaker 5: you know, with being in the rap game and having
Speaker 5: to deal with the oppression of motherfuckers didn't want rap
Speaker 5: and you know, they was hating on it. You kind
Speaker 5: of even though niggas was on some gang shit, you
Speaker 5: kind of was able to listen to those songs on
Speaker 5: that record because you was like, Yeah, they don't want
Speaker 5: a nigga to eat and they tripping because we saying
Speaker 5: we from here and niggas is wearing colors and you know,
Speaker 5: bitch and whole shit, and you know, just a reality
Speaker 5: of what niggas was going through on the daily. But
Speaker 5: for some reason in that time, man, they really was
Speaker 5: against what we was pushing. So you know, that's what
Speaker 5: that record represented to me. You know, especially the cover
Speaker 5: with the Sam toe tager.
Speaker 4: That that was cracking crazy.
Speaker 5: That was like one of those classic covers, like like
Speaker 5: music to drive by.
Speaker 1: And Ship, you know exactly.
Speaker 5: You know, one of them classic covers that you always remember,
Speaker 5: like damn them niggas did that, Like damn he did that.
Speaker 3: Damn nigga put a toe tag on.
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam, Like, I'm gonna tell you one thing that
Speaker 1: he did it too, that he did to even the
Speaker 1: sequence and the way the album was sequence, because yeah,
Speaker 1: he had given up the nappy dug out that talked
Speaker 1: about a promission WITHS Girl and then he.
Speaker 4: Hed, look who's burning STD.
Speaker 1: You know, right after that. And I think that's something
Speaker 1: that was seldom talked about in hip hop is AIDS. Yeah,
Speaker 1: during that, you know, nobody talked about AIDS. Nobody talked
Speaker 1: about nario sexually transmitted diseases as well.
Speaker 6: I think the difference is though with Cube because uh,
Speaker 6: if you remember booking down productions on the bio all
Speaker 6: Means necessarily had a Jimmy song where they were talking
Speaker 6: about the Jay and the Jimmy had so people were
Speaker 6: talking about it. But the difference that Cube did and
Speaker 6: Cube always did is I took it much more on
Speaker 6: a street profane level, whereas Karaswan was doing it more
Speaker 6: of a edutainment whereas Cube was like street edutainment on
Speaker 6: a totally different level, much more graphic and explicit because
Speaker 6: because people.
Speaker 4: Had been rapping about it.
Speaker 6: But when Cube did it, Cube did it in a
Speaker 6: way that I think resonated more with a lot of
Speaker 6: people because as great as the Jimmy song is, by
Speaker 6: booking down productions, a lot of people don't remember that song,
Speaker 6: even though it's a safe sex song, and even though
Speaker 6: it's on a great album. It's on a gold album.
Speaker 6: That's a gold album. It's on the My Philosophy album,
Speaker 6: it's on I'm Still Number one album. So it's on
Speaker 6: the Self Stop the Violence album, Illegal Business album. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's one of the best albums too ever made. But
Speaker 6: I think that's the we have giving up the nappy dugout.
Speaker 6: You have twenty Little Devil, these type of songs when
Speaker 6: they're examining uh, sexual tension, racism, sexually transmitted diseases, but
Speaker 6: doing it from such a profound naway.
Speaker 3: Niggas gonna like.
Speaker 5: You're speaking on topics that usually motherfuckers would be like, man,
Speaker 5: what the fuck you talking about?
Speaker 3: But you're putting it in the way to it go.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly when Nigga got burnt and I knew a bit
Speaker 5: she was given them what you burn it, Nigga, So
Speaker 5: he put in a conscious shit in a way that
Speaker 5: the average motherfucker could relate to it, and you got
Speaker 5: to simplified shit sometime for motherfuckers exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You knew anybody during that time period, the Kaids and anything, No,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that was the thing. And what
Speaker 1: was scary about that is that it was affecting, that
Speaker 1: it was impacting the African American community and disproportionate numbers,
Speaker 1: right because nobody talked about it. Nobody talked about it.
Speaker 1: And I remember my cousin that caught my head, a
Speaker 1: cousin rec in Peace Tiff the Ks, right, and she
Speaker 1: caught it from her husband, he was a humophiliac and
Speaker 1: he caught it from Kais And I just remember thinking,
Speaker 1: like wow, that really kind of fucked me up a
Speaker 1: little bit because at that point you would hear little
Speaker 1: rumors about certain people in the neighborhood, right, they had
Speaker 1: the package, but it would never get confirmed. Like so
Speaker 1: it was almost one of them things didn't nobody want
Speaker 1: to talk about, right, Like nobody ever talked about it,
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna lie to have me scared to death.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely scared you away.
Speaker 1: From some ass Hell yeah, maybe definitely, go.
Speaker 5: E say it definitely scared you away from some asses
Speaker 5: that like they got think twice I think I will
Speaker 5: pass or that or right there, it's a little a
Speaker 5: little funky today, I think I will pass.
Speaker 1: So for sure, you definitely became more You definitely be
Speaker 1: more mindful.
Speaker 5: Exact it had to be you say you have to
Speaker 5: be more smell forul you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Ship. You got to be able to sniff out that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, And I think it was a phenomenal
Speaker 1: labum man. But I want to go name your listener
Speaker 1: name name those five off again.
Speaker 4: So Cube is number one, and then my other five.
Speaker 3: This is Sawerings number one.
Speaker 6: This yeah, that's my number one, that certificate and the
Speaker 6: other ones in the top five. I would say it's
Speaker 6: the Brothers for Life n w A, The Chronic Doctor, Dre,
Speaker 6: Straut Compton.
Speaker 4: N w A and Easy Easy does it?
Speaker 3: My nigga sown said the Brothers for Life. Man.
Speaker 5: You know, be politically he's slick with some people say,
Speaker 5: I'm saying for him, it's Niggas for Life. You feel
Speaker 5: mean all good?
Speaker 1: Man? I want to talk about Niggas for Life for
Speaker 1: a minute, man.
Speaker 4: Because that's Dre's best produced album.
Speaker 1: Dre was making that transition, and I think everybody has
Speaker 1: something to proof. You gotta remember you had just left
Speaker 1: the group and everybody was kind of wondering what.
Speaker 5: A deduction was. Production was way better than than Straight
Speaker 5: Out by far.
Speaker 4: It's Dre's produced best produced album.
Speaker 5: Donny Compton was on some real like you know, like
Speaker 5: a lot of niggas, especially DJ's and him coming from
Speaker 5: a DJ, it was a blender man that nigga knew
Speaker 5: how to blend record, scratch and all that. So a
Speaker 5: lot of the first Straight Out of Compton record was
Speaker 5: a lot of breakbeat.
Speaker 4: Well it's a very bomb squad esque.
Speaker 5: Exactly, very bomb really, you know, like not too like
Speaker 5: as of today, if you listen to it, you would go,
Speaker 5: this ain't no West Coast record.
Speaker 3: As far as production.
Speaker 5: Now, what they talking about very West Coast, but the
Speaker 5: production they mocking back back East, you know, with the
Speaker 5: with the heavy, motherfucking breakbeat.
Speaker 3: Influenced tracks all day.
Speaker 5: The Niggas for Life album was more you know, baseline
Speaker 5: riffs and horns and instrument exactly, so it gave a
Speaker 5: more of a West Coast field to the n w
Speaker 5: A ain't.
Speaker 1: Nothing away from Dre, but Drey has started doing a
Speaker 1: lot of work with the homies from Above the Law.
Speaker 1: You got to remember Above the Law was very very
Speaker 1: much in the live instrumentation at the time. I actually
Speaker 1: in VENTI G Funk around that time, because you got
Speaker 1: to remember Warren and Warren and Snoop were in Above
Speaker 1: the Laws camp at that time. Yeah, they kind of
Speaker 1: honed their skills over there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: before they got over to before started messing with Trump.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I talk about this in my book,
Speaker 6: The History Against the Rap, But if you really look
Speaker 6: at it, the Vocally Pimping EP that Above the Law
Speaker 6: put out in ninety one, and then Black Mafia Life,
Speaker 6: which came out and really in ninety two. I don't
Speaker 6: know how I got it in ninety two and Maryland,
Speaker 6: but I did. I had it before the Chronics somehow,
Speaker 6: and I got it from a record store, so maybe
Speaker 6: it had shipped accidentally or something. But by the time
Speaker 6: the Chronic came out, I had heard a lot of
Speaker 6: the samples that they used on Vocally Pimping and Black
Speaker 6: Mafia Life were used on the Chronic in the exact
Speaker 6: same way. So Above the Law they did it first,
Speaker 6: and they created it, and i'd say dre stamped it
Speaker 6: and perfected it. And Warren g really commercialized it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure, you know, I would say the
Speaker 1: biggest thing man on the Niggas for Life album, Man,
Speaker 1: outside of Drey's production, it's all of them dudes was
Speaker 1: coming off on there.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say Wren Rien was.
Speaker 1: On there killing shit, was destroying shit on there in
Speaker 1: the album, man, and I think he had a I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie, man, I could picture all them dudes like, Man,
Speaker 1: fuck this. I'm tired of motherfucker's talking about Q being
Speaker 1: a man all the time. I make my statement on
Speaker 1: this album.
Speaker 5: I think Wren was always uh, he was always he
Speaker 5: was always there.
Speaker 3: To the penmanship.
Speaker 5: Like you said, outside of Cube, I always thought that
Speaker 5: he stood his own ground.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 6: Well let me let me ask you this being from here,
Speaker 6: growing up here and being in Compton, because on Easy
Speaker 6: does It, it's really Easy and Ren are on that
Speaker 6: album a lot, and even on the Straight out of
Speaker 6: Compton it's Dre and Ren are on.
Speaker 4: It a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they was back and forth, man.
Speaker 4: And they were going to harmonize it.
Speaker 3: The Compton and the Hot Common. Yeah, the house was.
Speaker 4: Cracking, man, super cracking.
Speaker 3: Again that New York did a lot of that back
Speaker 3: and forth man.
Speaker 4: The run MC style.
Speaker 6: So my question eight is when being here because even
Speaker 6: in Maryland, I always thought it was more of an
Speaker 6: equal share. Like I always looked at Rend and Cbe
Speaker 6: back then at this as like the same level dude.
Speaker 4: So was that the vibe out here that you guys
Speaker 4: were getting?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: For me, I always put Rin and they like there
Speaker 5: was no first and second to me back then when
Speaker 5: they was getting off, dre was who he was. I
Speaker 5: never looked at you know, dreas because he was the
Speaker 5: producer doing the beats and all that.
Speaker 3: We all knew.
Speaker 5: Easy was a hood nigga, so we knew he wasn't
Speaker 5: writing his raps and ship but his delivery and his voice.
Speaker 5: But when it came to you know, Rin and Cube,
Speaker 5: I never looked at like Cube is here and then
Speaker 5: I always was like both of them niggas is fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because because.
Speaker 5: N solo record on, you know, when he would do
Speaker 5: those solo songs, killing him, that was the They was
Speaker 5: just both prolific To me at the time.
Speaker 1: I actually Rin had a little bit more styling.
Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of people you know probably
Speaker 5: had Rin as the favorite also because.
Speaker 3: He was just a hard nigga man, and.
Speaker 5: That's how we we respected them. Nigga, he can't. He
Speaker 5: was from the hood, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 5: and just to be putting our records in ser Rin
Speaker 5: was like the was like king to niggas. Man, It wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't no separation to us like oh, you know
Speaker 5: Cube and then Wren. It was never especially when they
Speaker 5: was together. N could hold his own with with any motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna tell y'all now, Bob Kak got an
Speaker 1: album on Rihn. It never came out. I had the
Speaker 1: craziest beats I ever heard in that they got a
Speaker 1: song with cbe Ring and Dragon never came out that
Speaker 1: Bob can't produced. Wow, craziest motherfucking beat I ever heard.
Speaker 1: And all of them is on there coming off.
Speaker 4: Why I say it though, and it just never came out. Dog.
Speaker 1: They they got some shit in the cut, I'm.
Speaker 6: Sure because Bobcat worked with ran On Kissed my Black
Speaker 6: ass on and On shot at the Hour and he
Speaker 6: destroyed it. But they they always seem to work well together.
Speaker 6: So I love to hear that.
Speaker 4: One day. Still, we gotta we gotta talk to Bobcat.
Speaker 1: Man, I know you watched the show.
Speaker 4: Bob.
Speaker 1: Please come up here, man, Bob, we gotta put them records.
Speaker 1: Are he's supposed to be putting a lot of that
Speaker 1: stuff out this year.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe it's some ship, Bobcat. Maybe to me on
Speaker 5: the Secret. I won't let them, I won't let steal
Speaker 5: play none of it. Just send it to me on
Speaker 5: the Secret.
Speaker 4: Yes, hey, it'll just play it for us so we
Speaker 4: can hear it at least.
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, you know, I know it's something. Sorry you
Speaker 1: didn't have it in your top file lifts, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring it up right now. It's Doggy Style.
Speaker 4: That's probably number six or seven.
Speaker 1: I don't know if dogg easty. I think Doggy Style
Speaker 1: might be a number one dog And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why. And it's conflicting to me. I almost want
Speaker 1: if we can have a tie in this, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what we go probably do. We gona probably
Speaker 1: all make our own list and let the fans vote
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, you know, I think we probably should
Speaker 1: make our own top fifty. And you know we dropped
Speaker 1: over sometime this week on line on the internet. So
Speaker 1: if you go to the Gangst the Chronicles podcast, Hit
Speaker 1: the Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Instagram up. You'll be able
Speaker 1: to go in and see all three of our top fifty,
Speaker 1: and we gonna have the fans actually vote on which
Speaker 1: one they did the most. I think that's the only
Speaker 1: fair thing. Is we close on a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But I just think, see Doggy Style wasn't just the
Speaker 1: introduction the Snoop Dogg, which is the biggest brand in
Speaker 1: hip hop, probably the most famous motherfucker ever, the most
Speaker 1: famous motherfucking raperever probably. But I just think what you
Speaker 1: came with that, And I'm gonna tell you Rage set
Speaker 1: that whole motherfucking album off Rage probably the one of
Speaker 1: the most vicious fuck is called Female them Seeds, one
Speaker 1: of the most vicious them seeds of all time. What
Speaker 1: do you think.
Speaker 5: I think Doggy Style, Uh, change the little change the
Speaker 5: lane of which you know we were coming as far
Speaker 5: as West Coast music, a lot of us, you know, Uh,
Speaker 5: we're focused on East Coast hip hop. Not that we
Speaker 5: wanted to mimic East Coast, but if it ain't broke,
Speaker 5: don't fix it. A lot of our beats, like I said, breakbeats.
Speaker 3: And and and a lot of heavy you know whatever.
Speaker 5: Chopping up samples and and up tempo. And you know,
Speaker 5: I think when it came to Doggy style, Uh, it
Speaker 5: just put us in a in a different element as
Speaker 5: far as West Coast concerning the production, you know what
Speaker 5: Niggas was, you know, Niggas wrapping them out, getting high,
Speaker 5: and it was on a different element.
Speaker 1: It was a change to the guard kind of like
Speaker 1: it was just it was a change it to me,
Speaker 1: And that's why I say that album itself not just
Speaker 1: for Snoop Dogg's appearances on there, but just for everybody
Speaker 1: from the way that Dogo came in from.
Speaker 6: But I think to the the main key to me
Speaker 6: that the chronic and doggy style did that really changed.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 6: On a commercial pop level least they made the music
Speaker 6: slower and it also made it feel more inviting. If
Speaker 6: you listen to Fuck the Police, that's an angry record. Gangster,
Speaker 6: Gangster is an angry record definitely, whereas Jen and Juice
Speaker 6: that sounds fun.
Speaker 3: It's an angry record.
Speaker 5: Like Niggas was Madgas was mad then because.
Speaker 4: Of what was one time is not a happy record.
Speaker 5: No, we had angry records because at the time we
Speaker 5: wanted people to respect what we were doing in hip hop,
Speaker 5: but then we also wanted motherfuckers to know what was
Speaker 5: going on over here.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: Dog came in with the aspect of like, Okay, you
Speaker 5: niggas know we banging, So now I'm gonna take it
Speaker 5: to a different aspect. I'm gonna take it to where
Speaker 5: when we ain't shooting and killing each other and WOOTI
Speaker 5: wom Now I'm gonna tell y'all what we do just
Speaker 5: on a good day, smoked weed, we gin and juicing nigga.
Speaker 5: It wasn't all just like put it. It wasn't fun.
Speaker 5: It wasn't all murder, was the case.
Speaker 4: You get me?
Speaker 6: And to this something that in retrospect, I noticed this
Speaker 6: when it happened, but I didn't understand it at the time,
Speaker 6: which is with Doggy Style.
Speaker 4: In ninety three and being.
Speaker 6: Going to like high school and college events, I noticed
Speaker 6: this was the first time I had ever seen at
Speaker 6: a white party, or a lot of white people at
Speaker 6: a party where they would play the whole album. I'd
Speaker 6: never seen that with the NWA or comptences, with nobody,
Speaker 6: not a public enemy, not named the most popular rappers ever,
Speaker 6: never until really the Chronic and Doggy Style, and I
Speaker 6: remember it started with the Chronic and then that really
Speaker 6: exploded and became even more pronounced with doggy style.
Speaker 5: Never saw that hood feel good, yeah, because it wasn't music.
Speaker 3: Because even like said, with the Chronic.
Speaker 4: Let me ride, not even to start.
Speaker 5: With nothing for the G thing, you would you would
Speaker 5: look at that title and before you hear the music,
Speaker 5: you would go nothing but a G thing. Your instant
Speaker 5: is like, oh, these niggas gonna be on some hood,
Speaker 5: gangster shit. Nigga, this ain't nothing but a G thing,
Speaker 5: a gangster thing. But then when you hear the music
Speaker 5: and then video making popular a groove that has already
Speaker 5: been embedded in some motherfuckers know when motherfucker's heard that,
Speaker 5: I want to do some freak. That's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: hurt that ship before. My mama used to play that
Speaker 5: shit in the kitchen and shit or my auntie used
Speaker 5: to bump that ship. So it gave you the automatic
Speaker 5: and I feel good like a mother.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you another sheet two eight rolling down
Speaker 1: the street smoking and those sipping on Jenning's juice. They
Speaker 1: walking down the street watching ladies go by, watching you.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, it became familiar.
Speaker 5: But then, like I said, but then they knew how
Speaker 5: to nigga, We're gonna turn this into a feel good
Speaker 5: And then when you watch the visuals, it make you
Speaker 5: feel man. Niggas is all out kicking it at the
Speaker 5: drive in and pass and drink around.
Speaker 3: It's like like you said.
Speaker 5: It made a motherfucker put on the record and go, oh,
Speaker 5: I could listen to.
Speaker 1: This like they was having a party.
Speaker 3: Dog It was gonna sound like they had a party.
Speaker 4: And then Doggie Dog World continue that too.
Speaker 3: Let me, like you said, let me ride? Who gonna
Speaker 3: let me?
Speaker 5: How can you even it don't matter what the color is,
Speaker 5: even if you are, like you said, all Caucasian white
Speaker 5: party with a gang of college kids getting drunk and
Speaker 5: motherfucker's bumping led me.
Speaker 4: I've never seen that before.
Speaker 3: How can that be deniable? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's undeniable for you to sit up and be like,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: Want to hear that.
Speaker 4: I was at College Xavier in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Want to hear that even with.
Speaker 5: Banging, they made the ship that shit accept the ball
Speaker 5: even on the street tips. So that's why I think
Speaker 5: it turned the era of alienatean a lot of West
Speaker 5: Coast artists to where you know, yeah, you niggas don't
Speaker 5: do nothing but gang bang, shoot at each other and
Speaker 5: say fuck the police. Now, Oh no, nigga, We party,
Speaker 5: We feel good, We smoke a little weed, We ride
Speaker 5: around and a nice cars and on low riders.
Speaker 3: And it's a good day today. You feel me?
Speaker 5: Like you said from the chronic, Snoop just they it
Speaker 5: was the same formula because who you got behind the boards,
Speaker 5: you got Dre behind the boards, and like you said,
Speaker 5: Snoop layed all of the chronic. So it's just the
Speaker 5: same fucking formula. Let's just do a part two and
Speaker 5: call it Doggy Style, and now you're gonna be the last.
Speaker 1: They should never get invited in the No Sessions, which
Speaker 1: ones for Doggie Style.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no, I was I was.
Speaker 5: I was not a death Row camp invite because they
Speaker 5: were cool with you know, Sug. Sug ran death Row
Speaker 5: and even though they were mixed in bloods and crips
Speaker 5: and they all got along, we were still crips to Sug.
Speaker 5: You feel me, So we were Bompting's most wanted to shug.
Speaker 5: That's what he used to call us.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, You think Quick being over there
Speaker 1: at that time with them, because Quick was hanging around them.
Speaker 5: Of course that had a lot to do with it.
Speaker 5: I mean you've heard stories about it, so I mean,
Speaker 5: but that was that would that would be natural. Of course,
Speaker 5: you know Quick was hanging around with them, He was
Speaker 5: hanging out with him. I think Shug started managing them
Speaker 5: and all of that. That's how he was able to
Speaker 5: perform at the Source Award on their showcase. You get me,
Speaker 5: because Quick was signed the profile he was. He was
Speaker 5: non existent with death Row.
Speaker 3: But Ah came.
Speaker 1: In, had him on suspension of some at that time,
Speaker 1: let them put.
Speaker 5: These records, so he got sug involved and should got
Speaker 5: to be in his manager. So you know, no, I
Speaker 5: never got any uh uh death uh doggy styling.
Speaker 1: You imagine how that would have sounded.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm I'm you know, ship went the way
Speaker 5: it should have, and I think it is what it is.
Speaker 1: You was dropping your own, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I had already he was doing quite well for himself.
Speaker 5: I had already been you know, I had been a
Speaker 5: part of a crew. You know that was a crew.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying death Row was a crew.
Speaker 5: Ruthless was a crew. You know, Lynch Mob was a cruise.
Speaker 5: We was we was, We was just us, man, that's it.
Speaker 1: We were just hearing about wondering what Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear hawking Berg. We were.
Speaker 5: We didn't have no big entity click or nothing like that.
Speaker 5: It was a couple of niggas from the neighborhood, you know,
Speaker 5: and and and that's how we did it. Then four
Speaker 5: five of us and that was it, man. And so
Speaker 5: we didn't we never uh, we never had to trickle
Speaker 5: down of you know, of of the tree. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. From from n w A to Dre
Speaker 5: and then you know the tree. We didn't have that.
Speaker 5: You would think you being from Compton, man, Dre ain't
Speaker 5: never reached out or nothing. No, Dre was cool. I've
Speaker 5: I've you know, I talked to Dre. We've hung out
Speaker 5: a couple of times, but we've never got to the stage.
Speaker 3: Fuck it eight, let's do some music.
Speaker 1: Because Drei's temple. I'm a big temple person. Dre's temple
Speaker 1: of his music, it's like a groove like even though
Speaker 1: it's up in the ninety bpms sound a little bit slower,
Speaker 1: sound like eighty five, you know what I mean? Definitely,
Speaker 1: And I think that's Riding because that's eighth lane right there.
Speaker 1: Eight Ride, one of them type of tracks that would
Speaker 1: be perfect. Actually that would have been That would have
Speaker 1: been fucking banana. It's I know you mentioned Easy does
Speaker 1: it right?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: In the mix of all this now, I definitely for
Speaker 1: what Easy represents the gangster rep. I definitely say you
Speaker 1: almost have to put him in that top five. I
Speaker 1: don't know if sonically it maxes up with those others.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Man, Easy does it? That album is
Speaker 4: I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Tell you my favorite song up there. This is the
Speaker 1: stick of Nobody Moved Nobody, Gere.
Speaker 4: This is a stick down Nobody Moved. Number two.
Speaker 1: That was crazy Dude.
Speaker 4: That's another one with mc wren is still talking ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The first track there that that was a crazy Way.
Speaker 6: And being in Maryland, I was like comped and I
Speaker 6: thought they were from LA. They said confin Michigan.
Speaker 4: I was like, what are they doing? Like who are
Speaker 4: these dudes?
Speaker 6: But that whole album the thing I like about it, it's,
Speaker 6: first of all, it's incredible, but you got mc.
Speaker 4: Rent is on it a lot. Easy's on it a lot.
Speaker 6: But then Easy's character, He's got the humor, he's got
Speaker 6: the voice, he's got you know, they got miche la,
Speaker 6: the girls talking like on radio and on uh uh
Speaker 6: that we want Easy. You know, they got all the
Speaker 6: stuff coming back and forth. Easier Sayer done has one
Speaker 6: of my favorite line my little sections of a rap ever,
Speaker 6: when he said, Yo, I don't do dope, but I'm dope.
Speaker 6: Not a dope, but I'm doper than anybody who tries
Speaker 6: to cope. And uh that ship, dude, they told me.
Speaker 6: Dre wrote that That's what I was told by people there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 3: Restraint with smocks from the micros the one with the
Speaker 3: act like.
Speaker 4: No More Questions, dude, he's breaking down a bbery.
Speaker 3: Come on man, hey, you.
Speaker 6: Know, and and the song structures so different like on
Speaker 6: No More Questions he's doing the interview and then he
Speaker 6: goes off and describes what the lady's asking him. He
Speaker 6: goes in talks about like, oh, I'm doing a robbery
Speaker 6: to help.
Speaker 1: It was cracking, especially the way to break down in
Speaker 1: the beats.
Speaker 4: With And then.
Speaker 1: I got another trick.
Speaker 4: My sleeve to the back of the house. Then all
Speaker 4: the Lights is Out.
Speaker 1: Was hard as a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like that album, Boys and the Hood is on there too,
Speaker 6: of course, and the remix. But that album, I think
Speaker 6: it just showed. It was super street, super gangster, super hard.
Speaker 6: But he had such character and the humor, which I
Speaker 6: think anytime you're able to add something.
Speaker 3: I can always have an on Hoole skizer.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, who is this he was playing with him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and with the yellow Man sample, with the nobody moved,
Speaker 6: nobody hurt. It was just it brought in so much
Speaker 6: stuff coming.
Speaker 5: Right afterde said here's what I'm going to put put
Speaker 5: inside like a rabbit. It was a lot of white an.
Speaker 6: It was, and until the controversy with the police, that
Speaker 6: album was actually it went gold before Straut content. It
Speaker 6: came out before Strau content, and it was platinum before
Speaker 6: Straud content. It was a very big album. I think
Speaker 6: just the controversy absolutely, JJ Fad set it up, then
Speaker 6: Easy set it up, and the n w A took
Speaker 6: it out out the park.
Speaker 5: Nigga was as clever as a motherfucker dude, Like I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be in the group and then my own solo.
Speaker 5: Fuck it, let's get all this this mother He did
Speaker 5: all this motherfucking bread right quick.
Speaker 4: And let's not also forget that.
Speaker 6: Obviously I understood this better later, of course, but to
Speaker 6: especially people like us in Maryland or people just around
Speaker 6: Easy E was he had the uniform.
Speaker 4: He was what the gangster rapper was. He was the
Speaker 4: gangster dude.
Speaker 5: He did had on the white tea with the gloves
Speaker 5: nigga with the Loachs nigga, the five oh ones nigga.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Jerry Carl the throw home on.
Speaker 5: He was the epitome of what what white people like.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the gang that is the guy.
Speaker 3: That's the gangster, that's the guy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely guess. Back in the day and still this day,
Speaker 1: you would see a ze cad. It'd be nine degrees outside.
Speaker 1: They got a big ass jacket on, they got some glove,
Speaker 1: we got a beanie on, or some looks still and
Speaker 1: it'll be nine degrees outside.
Speaker 3: And something for you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, motherfuckers got to recognize that. We've had a lot
Speaker 5: of em c's and groups and crews and artists come
Speaker 5: out of the West Coast and you are. You know,
Speaker 5: niggas are on all kinds of ship right now. You
Speaker 5: could represent your hood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking you can be. You just think about it.
Speaker 5: With with with with our expression of hip hop. Uh
Speaker 5: no disrespect to the East Coast, but with our expression
Speaker 5: of hip hop, you know, being able to say, you know,
Speaker 5: fuck the police or what went on in the neighborhoods
Speaker 5: with drugs and niggas pulling dry byes and getting jacked,
Speaker 5: and you know from from expression of of the dicky
Speaker 5: suits and the khaki suits and the bandannas and and
Speaker 5: and what we went through for Look at hip hop today, right,
Speaker 5: motherfucker you can be anything from a trap nigga to
Speaker 5: a gay rapper to you can be anything you fucking
Speaker 5: want today because we took all of that.
Speaker 4: Oh hell nah, you can see who you want to be.
Speaker 5: Oh hell no, you can't do that right Remember nigga
Speaker 5: back in the days, niggas shit, you can't wear motherfucking
Speaker 5: ten shoes and clubs and jeans and fucking T shirts
Speaker 5: and shit.
Speaker 4: With saggy jam please.
Speaker 1: That was the funny thing about it. You remember I
Speaker 1: used to have them dress codes for them clubs and how.
Speaker 5: They would man you better come in here. I used
Speaker 5: to call them with the motherfucking Sunday Best. You gotta
Speaker 5: come to the club with your Sunday best only, Nigga.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to go to a club like I'm
Speaker 5: finna go to crazy.
Speaker 1: Back then, if you want to go see a concert
Speaker 1: or something, you had to wear your slacks, your shoes,
Speaker 1: go in. But the had on some khakis. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: had on a T shirt or jacket on.
Speaker 3: Nigga.
Speaker 5: I remember nigga back in the days, Nigga when they
Speaker 5: wouldn't even want the artists to wear.
Speaker 3: Hats in the club.
Speaker 4: Nigga.
Speaker 5: We used to get ready to go perform at little clubs, Nigga,
Speaker 5: try to walk in, Nigga. They used to be like, oh, no,
Speaker 5: you gotta go leave your hat in the car.
Speaker 3: I used to be like, huh.
Speaker 5: In Maryland to go out of town, the little small towns,
Speaker 5: and the motherfuckers used to be like, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 5: leave your hat in the car.
Speaker 4: People like what did they do that out here?
Speaker 6: But in Maryland when I went on the roads in them, nigga.
Speaker 5: When I would go on the road, yep, you go
Speaker 5: to the little clubs, you know. Promo tour little small clubs. Nigga,
Speaker 5: You walk up nigga with your your motherfucking big jacket
Speaker 5: on nigga or your pendleton nigga, and we got a
Speaker 5: motherfucking la had on or or c on the cap
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 3: The motherfucker security be like the car. You gotta go
Speaker 3: leave that.
Speaker 5: In the car like this motherfucker pistol of bomb to
Speaker 5: shoot a nigga with my cap and ship when I
Speaker 5: get inside, nigga's gonna provoke a nigga like a motherfucker.
Speaker 3: But you had to go. We had to go through that.
Speaker 3: You did me.
Speaker 5: We had to go through that because of the fear
Speaker 5: of motherfuckers not knowing what was going on at the
Speaker 5: time as far as hip hop being new or or
Speaker 5: not hip hop, but us as far as West Coast artists,
Speaker 5: because you know they had hip hop. We had, like
Speaker 5: I said, Curtis Blow and the Fat Boys, and you
Speaker 5: know we had East Coast and whatever. But when niggas
Speaker 5: started pulling up with motherfucking low riders and khaki suits.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying with full ain't your mama
Speaker 5: and Danna's around their head. Motherfuckers be like you niggas
Speaker 5: rap like you niggas do music.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no turn away.
Speaker 5: So like I said, they easy was the epitome of
Speaker 5: the gangster to motherfuckers and shit because you know they
Speaker 5: used to they used to get harassed going around the
Speaker 5: country and shit too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask both of you all, this is
Speaker 1: the Chronic two thousand and one as good as Doggy
Speaker 1: Style over the Chronic?
Speaker 4: Wait say that again. It's two thousand and one album.
Speaker 1: You get a two thousand, two thousand and one album.
Speaker 1: Is that as good as either Doggies?
Speaker 4: Not to me?
Speaker 5: No, not to Doggy Style? I think, And I like
Speaker 5: the Chronic. The Chronic is, but the Doggy Style is
Speaker 5: better than the Chronic. And I think Chronic two thousand
Speaker 5: and one is what you put that before the original
Speaker 5: Chronic or after?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 1: After, I think it's after. I think it's after. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the top five album. I think
Speaker 1: it's definitely a great album, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a top five album.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's not to me.
Speaker 3: These nuts so much stuff in Yeah, definitely, you.
Speaker 1: Know, shout out to the homie Warren Gee. He don't
Speaker 1: get enough credit as far as his input in that
Speaker 1: because a lot of those records I used to see.
Speaker 1: You remember it was a record store in North Long
Speaker 1: Beach called the Velvet Underground of off Atlantic Boulevard, because
Speaker 1: I used to go up there looking for records and
Speaker 1: I would see Warren up there, always getting a gang
Speaker 1: of records. He would have like one hundred records on
Speaker 1: the counter and searching for more and now I know
Speaker 1: what the fuck he was.
Speaker 4: Doing and getting his samples together.
Speaker 1: Because this was around that time, This was before all
Speaker 1: that stuff, So to be around during that time period
Speaker 1: was just special because I would see him up there
Speaker 1: and I always knew who Warren was, right, we didn't
Speaker 1: know each other personally, but he would be like, what's up.
Speaker 4: Man, you know, Warren talking something.
Speaker 1: And he would have stacks of records on it and
Speaker 1: I would be wondering, like, what the fuck is this
Speaker 1: dude doing with all these records. And he brought a
Speaker 1: lot of those records to Drea, and a lot of
Speaker 1: those records on the chronic were records that he was
Speaker 1: working on. Of course, Drake put his hands on him
Speaker 1: and made him tighter because I know mister Grimm was
Speaker 1: on the original Little Ghetto Boy that was originally a
Speaker 1: Mister Grim record, and of course we all know what
Speaker 1: happened with that. You know, by the time snooping the
Speaker 1: the mister Officer, Mister Officer, Yeah, you know, to break
Speaker 1: him off something that was originally Big Mike's record.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Big Mike.
Speaker 1: He was almost on it ain't that crazy, Big Michael
Speaker 1: and three two was almost on the Chronic.
Speaker 6: Dog They were almost on death row because I think
Speaker 6: they were gonna do a joint project, gonna do something.
Speaker 1: With Jay Prince, and that's crazy, man, that's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: But I think when you look back at all these records, man,
Speaker 1: that's why I say, you know, we could have our
Speaker 1: own top fifty and stuff. Man, But you gotta seriously
Speaker 1: consider that a doggy style, man, for just so many reasons.
Speaker 1: Because it's, like A said, it changed the landscape of
Speaker 1: music against the rap anyway, So.
Speaker 4: A, why do you think it's better than the chronic
Speaker 4: doggie style?
Speaker 5: I mean shit, anytime, you I think, just just shit,
Speaker 5: just being able to just being able to just feed
Speaker 5: off of what was happening around you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: If we was there with the Chronic putting the Chronic together,
Speaker 5: now we see the formula. So now everything is gonna
Speaker 5: be a step up. I just think, you know, with
Speaker 5: Dre having too, you know, with the success of the
Speaker 5: Chronic and seeing this success that Snoop was having.
Speaker 3: For being on the Chronic.
Speaker 5: Now, nigga, we can go in and really flip this,
Speaker 5: and I think that's what happened. You know, anytime you
Speaker 5: get you know, you get a chance, you get those,
Speaker 5: you get those one once in the blue moons, you
Speaker 5: get me and when you get the feed off the
Speaker 5: formula that's already working. I mean, because shit, we was
Speaker 5: all here around the roundtable, right, we all in here
Speaker 5: putting together the Chronic. Rage is here, RBX is here,
Speaker 5: Dad's is here, Corrupts is here, you know, Warren is here, whoever?
Speaker 4: We all here.
Speaker 5: So now when it's time to do Donkey style ship
Speaker 5: and still got more. We got more money, We got more,
Speaker 5: we got more money, we got better.
Speaker 3: Success, but better success.
Speaker 5: We got better. This better, So it's just gonna make
Speaker 5: the ship. Oh nigga, let me try this now.
Speaker 6: Well. So one thing I do like about the Chronic
Speaker 6: better though, is I love Dre Rappin. That's why I
Speaker 6: think now that we're talking about all this stuff, that's
Speaker 6: what I think. Doggie style doesn't have as much of
Speaker 6: that the Chronic does. Is I think Dre is a
Speaker 6: great rapper and always has been.
Speaker 5: Remember the Chronic album technically, well, I mean the Chronic, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Drey's album.
Speaker 3: But like I.
Speaker 4: Said, I think that's why Cray just knew, you.
Speaker 5: Know the you know, you know the formula ship I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go with what I think is working.
Speaker 3: And he knew what was.
Speaker 5: Working since he knew since deep Cover happened, you get me,
Speaker 5: since deep Cover happened. He like, I know the formula,
Speaker 5: you get me? Like, I'm not one of them niggas
Speaker 5: who's selfish too, you know, uh in front of the
Speaker 5: motherfuckers are, But some people, when they see the bigger picture,
Speaker 5: it's what make.
Speaker 3: The product better.
Speaker 5: Like, I'm not one of those self centered motherfuckers who
Speaker 5: feel like I can be the only star. I want
Speaker 5: to be the I want to be the entity. I
Speaker 5: want to be the motherfucker that umbrella niggas is under.
Speaker 5: You get me, So I don't give a fuck if this.
Speaker 5: If I sell one million and he sell ten, it's
Speaker 5: still the success of fucking success exactly. I think that's
Speaker 5: where his vision allowed you know ship, Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: let you wrap on half of the motherfucking chronic and
Speaker 5: then we're gonna turn around and flip around and let
Speaker 5: you do a whole project by trying to say snoop
Speaker 5: up and all those other cats. Was yeah, definitely got
Speaker 5: throw you the alley, nigga. I've never been the forefront
Speaker 5: wrapper hit me far as production and the mixer and
Speaker 5: all of that. That's my That's where I stick my
Speaker 5: foot in rapping. I'm doing just you know.
Speaker 1: Dre's hardest line was man when he said, because if
Speaker 1: a bigs try to diss me one on full of liquor,
Speaker 1: I smacked the big up and shoot the nigga with it.
Speaker 1: That's the type of nigga that you're listening to talk
Speaker 1: to you for a minute and my dick.
Speaker 6: And that's why now that we say and I think
Speaker 6: about it, because I always didn't understand why people like
Speaker 6: doggy style better, but now I understand why. For me,
Speaker 6: it's the chronic. It's because Dre rapping more on the
Speaker 6: chronic to me makes it better because snoop is all
Speaker 6: over the chronic. Snoop is the It's really a snoop
Speaker 6: and Dre album per seatman. So the style we lose
Speaker 6: Dre on doggy style, that's my that's my concern sonically.
Speaker 1: But this is a Snoop Dogg album. You ain't supposed
Speaker 1: to have Dre on it rap song.
Speaker 6: But that's what I'm saying. Still, he's Snoop is on.
Speaker 6: He is really the Chronic too. It's like a Dre
Speaker 6: and Snoop album. It's like the Ray Kuan only built
Speaker 6: for Cuban Linx. It's ray Kwan, a ghost is all
Speaker 6: over it, whereas the Chronic has Snoop all over. It's
Speaker 6: a similar type of thing to me at least. But
Speaker 6: I just think Dre brings his presence vocally, brings a lot.
Speaker 6: And that that's why I think Straut Compton, one hundred
Speaker 6: Miles of Running, Brothers for Life, all those records are
Speaker 6: so good because Dre's rapping on not He's not all
Speaker 6: over them.
Speaker 1: See what we go see with the side people out
Speaker 1: their side. I'm gonna tell you this though, man, I
Speaker 1: was I was in Ohio a lot at the time.
Speaker 1: I was going back to the Crib a lot, and
Speaker 1: I was, you know, floating through Kentucky and all that.
Speaker 1: Everybody around the country was playing Doggy Style.
Speaker 6: Dog Well, like I said, I've never seen so many
Speaker 6: white people listening to rap everywhere.
Speaker 1: Dog It's like that album took if you think about
Speaker 1: a dog you know how many gangster rappers came with
Speaker 1: a poor man version of Doggy Style and the chronic.
Speaker 1: After that, you had all these you had and then
Speaker 1: y'all had a big impact to eight. I never saw
Speaker 1: so many most wanteds. Detroit's most wanted, Miami's most wanted,
Speaker 1: all these other different place, Chicago's most wanted. It was
Speaker 1: like that was like the season for the gangster rap.
Speaker 1: Every gangster came out. You had cats coming out of Flint,
Speaker 1: you know. Speaking of which, and these ain't no top
Speaker 1: ten albums. Detroit put out some pretty good gangster shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think really, once the fludgates opened, almost every major
Speaker 6: city that had a rap scene. Don't forget Flint with
Speaker 6: Dayton Family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dayton Family and the DFC and you know what,
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, man gamester rap. You gotta
Speaker 1: remember that we we was going into the nineties with
Speaker 1: hip hop. I truly believe gangster rap saved hip hop.
Speaker 1: I think it needed something cutting eggs for mainstream, because
Speaker 1: if mainstream America wouldn't have caught on to it would
Speaker 1: have been dead. If it would have just stayed a
Speaker 1: thing that was just in our local hoods that we
Speaker 1: just consumed, it would probably never gotten no bigger than that.
Speaker 1: But when you had, like to me, Doggy Style came out,
Speaker 1: it was almost like Snoop was almost like the Jelly
Speaker 1: the peanut butter Dog, and it was just like it
Speaker 1: was just the perfect marriage between him and Dre Dog
Speaker 1: and the music and the way that album just came off.
Speaker 1: You gotta think about the first voice you hear on
Speaker 1: Doggie Styles Rage, and it's a shame she never came
Speaker 1: out like her album the way it got done. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like I was really looking forward to hearing rage. Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too fortunate. You know, shit, that's what happened.
Speaker 5: Sometime in the music biz, you get caught up with
Speaker 5: labels and deals and you can't.
Speaker 1: Do shit about it. I was that's your homegirl eight.
Speaker 1: We gotta get her.
Speaker 3: Up here, man, And they were trying to get her
Speaker 3: up here and she was cracking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you think happened with her album? She ain't
Speaker 1: never tell you about it. M I bet you. That's
Speaker 1: just something because I was really anticipating her because I
Speaker 1: just said it.
Speaker 4: I mean, labels caught.
Speaker 3: Up in label shit, so there's nothing else to it.
Speaker 5: She got it just you get caught up in when
Speaker 5: labels get the falling.
Speaker 3: You know, who's ever the last left around? You know?
Speaker 4: Because look at it.
Speaker 6: Think of it in reality, Death Row, as big as
Speaker 6: it was, put out very few albums.
Speaker 4: They did not release a lot of records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of compilations and stuff. They
Speaker 1: had soundtracks and stuff like that. Yeah, but a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, as far as my number one though, man,
Speaker 1: And I think I don't see it numerous times. Man,
Speaker 1: I think it's and I love Ice Cubes albums, man,
Speaker 1: but you gotta think about it this point. Man, Doggy
Speaker 1: Style is twenty something years thirty years old now.
Speaker 4: Came out in ninety three, so that's thirty when you.
Speaker 1: Listen to them now. Man, I think you could put
Speaker 1: Doggy Style out the day and it was still jam
Speaker 1: Munk changed, absolutely, and it was still jam mun changed. Man.
Speaker 1: That was a great piece of work, man, great piece
Speaker 1: of history. I've been going back and revisiting all these
Speaker 1: albums and even just the album covers back then. I
Speaker 1: was talking to eight about, like for music to drive by.
Speaker 1: Who thought of that album cover? Because that had really
Speaker 1: everything was original back then. It was just it was
Speaker 1: just so dope back then, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like when I saw the album cover, I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: who the fuck thought of that shit? Right there? Man?
Speaker 1: Just the thing. Even remember King T's album cover where
Speaker 1: he's walking down the street with the twelve.
Speaker 4: Gauge on the side. That was crazy.
Speaker 1: And you had the back part the where you didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was like. He was just walking down
Speaker 1: the street just looking like a real lope. He had
Speaker 1: on his khaki suit in his head. Remember Nigga used
Speaker 1: to dress like that.
Speaker 3: Ache Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: He had the twelve gauge on the side, like the
Speaker 1: grip on the side.
Speaker 3: That was hard.
Speaker 4: Man, that was incredible.
Speaker 1: We had some really genius stuff, man. So remember if
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Speaker 4: Definitely what I'm saying, Man, it's a big accomplishment.
Speaker 1: You know, we gonna keep rocking and roller. You know,
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