Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan
Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeartRadio and Yes, your eyes
Speaker 1: Ears don't deceive you. It is a Saturday New Saturday
Speaker 1: episode because we are doing a spoil Saturdays. It's been
Speaker 1: a minute since we've done one.
Speaker 2: It has been, it has been.
Speaker 1: We have so many ideas for them, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: but we do have so many ideas for them. But
Speaker 1: as I hinted at in our recent classic about Scream
Speaker 1: five that we brought back today, we are talking about
Speaker 1: Scream six now in New York. I say, heavy horror
Speaker 1: movie franchise has to have the New York movie. They're
Speaker 1: usually pretty, but this is a pretty good movie. So yes,
Speaker 1: there will be spoilers for that because it came out
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, early twenty twenty three. I have
Speaker 1: a fun I saw it in theaters. I took a
Speaker 1: picture next to a huge ghost space. That's when Samantha
Speaker 1: sent me the creepy voicemail. Yes, and I have one
Speaker 1: of those cups. It has ghost face on it and
Speaker 1: then it has like a little ghost face figurine. So
Speaker 1: every time you take a sip there it is I
Speaker 1: as I mentioned I had a really good time rewatching this.
Speaker 1: I thought I was nervous, because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: have this thing where I get nervous about engaging with
Speaker 1: things I really like sometimes, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that. But I had a really
Speaker 1: fun time rewatching this. I rewatched it twice for this.
Speaker 1: It's great. You can see our past episodes on screen five.
Speaker 1: We did a whole episode on that one Scream Queens,
Speaker 1: where it was kind of a trojan oors for me
Speaker 1: to talk about Sidney Prescott. And then the recent episode
Speaker 1: we did with Bridget about Scream and technology, which is
Speaker 1: kind of what inspired this, and then the episode I
Speaker 1: did with Lauren back when I was sort of co hostless.
Speaker 1: Co hostlessness, that's not.
Speaker 3: Right without a co host. Without a co host, you
Speaker 3: could just say you were missing me.
Speaker 1: I was missing I was waiting for Samantha, but yeah,
Speaker 1: why didn't you believe her? Where we did play a
Speaker 1: clip from Scream Too that I love so content warning,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about violence and murder. These
Speaker 1: are slasher films, so that's what we're going to be
Speaker 1: discussing a bit. I did find it funny that Amazon
Speaker 1: lists this movie as erotic. That was one of the
Speaker 1: like three genres that put it in. I was like,
Speaker 1: what awesome If you haven't listen to the one in
Speaker 1: Screen five. Look, I know I make everything about Star Wars,
Speaker 1: but the creators and even some of the actors were
Speaker 1: very clear that Scream five was about the fan backlash
Speaker 1: to the Last Jedi and this one is a continuation
Speaker 1: of that movie. And I was rewatching it and they
Speaker 1: mentioned the Holidays specials. There's the part where the killer
Speaker 1: from the last one, Richie, is on a screen and
Speaker 1: he's just talking about like the stab movies, which are
Speaker 1: kind of the meta version of the screen movies within
Speaker 1: the screen movies, and he's like, well, I didn't see
Speaker 1: the Holiday special I heard how bad it was and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I was like, ah, but it
Speaker 1: was a good awe. I'm very excited. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep a cool, cool head.
Speaker 2: It's trying.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wow, let's talk about the plot. Stream six
Speaker 1: is a twenty twenty three American slasher movie directed by
Speaker 1: Matt Bettinelli, Olpen and Tyler Gillette or Chillette, written by
Speaker 1: James Vanderbilt and Guy Busick, that picks up. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: screen five left off. I think it's a year later.
Speaker 1: It stars Melissa Barrera, Jenna Ortega, Jasmine Savoy Brown, Mason Goodding,
Speaker 1: a return from Hayden Pantier, as hinted at in the
Speaker 1: Fifth One, Curtin Cox, with cameos by Samara Weaving and
Speaker 1: Anthony Revelaurie. But there was somebody else that you told me.
Speaker 1: You were like, oh, he's a boomer. Now, I can't
Speaker 1: believe it. Who was that?
Speaker 3: Samantha Dermitt Maroni I was talking about the fact that which,
Speaker 3: by the way, I can't believe you didn't put him
Speaker 3: on the list. What the hell, He's one of the
Speaker 3: nain people in here. What are you doing so many things?
Speaker 3: I'm very confused. But yeah, he was like a heart throb,
Speaker 3: I guess at my young age. So he played in
Speaker 3: many of different movies as the main male lead, and
Speaker 3: he was the like the first time I ever saw
Speaker 3: him was in Julia Roberts my best friend's wedding, which
Speaker 3: is huge, uh, And he was very iconic in my
Speaker 3: best friend's wedding, and so growing up, he was just
Speaker 3: that dude that you were like, oh, yeah, he's he's
Speaker 3: very like.
Speaker 2: Good looking but normal good looking.
Speaker 3: He's kind of what I would imagine what we call
Speaker 3: dadbod type of conversation where he's not beyond handsome. He's
Speaker 3: not like Brad Pitt level of looks, but he's still
Speaker 3: endearing and he becomes the male lead because of that level.
Speaker 3: So to see him in this character was quite interesting.
Speaker 3: To see him as the father character. So the boomer
Speaker 3: older character hurt my feelings. Oh, there's a lot that
Speaker 3: has hurt my feelings as of late. Please y'all miss
Speaker 3: this entire conversation we had with as a staff meeting.
Speaker 3: So executive producer Maya was on and she was referring
Speaker 3: to a lot of the movies, specifically this and how
Speaker 3: it was when she was really young, and I was like,
Speaker 3: remember Gonna Sit in their Corner. That was a few
Speaker 3: things that was said, and I was like, I think
Speaker 3: you're purposely trying to hurt my feelings, and I feel
Speaker 3: like in this movie was similar to that. But to
Speaker 3: be fair, Maroney was is like sixty, I think, so
Speaker 3: it's not beyond the realm, and I think my best friends,
Speaker 3: I guess Julia Roberts is around that age. But because
Speaker 3: when you're that young. Those people are the standard of
Speaker 3: who you want to be, Like, that's who glamorous and
Speaker 3: sexy and like, oh my goodness was so to see
Speaker 3: him in this role was a real big flip.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I was thinking about this the other day
Speaker 1: because I always love when an actor gets cast kind
Speaker 1: of against type and then you as the viewer, is
Speaker 1: used to seeing that person, especially in like a who
Speaker 1: Done It type of way. Yeah, so you're like not
Speaker 1: suspecting them because you're used to them in like this
Speaker 1: other type of role. I don't know, I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think he's recently become more of like a nice
Speaker 2: dad role. Oh okay, anyway, I think that's the more
Speaker 2: and more I seen him. But again, this was an
Speaker 2: interesting twist.
Speaker 1: It was it was we will talk about that. So
Speaker 1: this movie, it did make a lot of money. It
Speaker 1: was very well received. They have of course, already greenlit
Speaker 1: a sequel, and yeah, it begins one year after the
Speaker 1: previous film, and that In that movie, Richie Kirsh and
Speaker 1: Amber Freeman were the killers, and they terrorized and murdered
Speaker 1: people in the town of Woodsborough, which is where it
Speaker 1: all kind of started, and a lot of them take place,
Speaker 1: but they namely were after his sisters, Tara and Sam Carpenter,
Speaker 1: and yes, their last name is Carpenter. So the new
Speaker 1: ones aka starting with five are like I would say
Speaker 1: that they're kind of like their own thing, like they're
Speaker 1: restarting without ignoring the old ones at all. But if
Speaker 1: the first one of this kind of like new reboot,
Speaker 1: new requel, the fifth one mirrors the first scream, this
Speaker 1: one mirror is the second scream. This is the college one.
Speaker 1: You go off to college, because that's what happens. Tara
Speaker 1: goes off to college, and Sam and the whole crew
Speaker 1: follows her there. But every screen movie opens with kind
Speaker 1: of a random kill, or it seems a random kill
Speaker 1: at the time, and the lady you find out it
Speaker 1: wasn't random, but okay, So it opens with associate Professor
Speaker 1: Laura Crane, who specializes in horror and especially in slasher
Speaker 1: And she's at a bar and she's waiting for her date,
Speaker 1: a date she met online, and he's late. He calls
Speaker 1: and lures her down a dark alley, claiming he's lost
Speaker 1: and he's looking for her, and he murders her in
Speaker 1: a ghost face outfit. And you know me as Vier
Speaker 1: watching this, I'm like, whoa the killer already?
Speaker 3: Right immediately, which, by the way, the woman that plays
Speaker 3: a character is the main evil character from The Babysitter.
Speaker 2: Yes, in the Netflix trilogy.
Speaker 1: She's also often confused with Margaret Robbie, and she's in Uh.
Speaker 1: These creators also did a movie called Already or Not
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ready, the wedding movie there's too nu. Yes,
Speaker 1: not that there's two movies, the Hide and Seek and
Speaker 1: Ready or Not different, very different, but yeah, she is
Speaker 1: in that anyway. Yeah, he murders her. It's revealed the
Speaker 1: killer is a student of hers, and that he was
Speaker 1: planning on killing the survivors of the Woodsboro like see
Speaker 1: killings as they're called Samon Tara specifically. However, he gets
Speaker 1: a call from another goho's face who pretty quickly kills him,
Speaker 1: exclaiming who gives a about movies?
Speaker 3: And he's the beginning of it is very much like
Speaker 3: don't blame the movies for death and essentially what y'all
Speaker 3: you and uh talking about.
Speaker 1: But it was immediately like, oh, this is which they
Speaker 1: said very clearly, the creators of this, but like, this
Speaker 1: is a different killer because normally he's like what's your
Speaker 1: favorite scary mood? Like all that stuff. He was right
Speaker 1: out the gate or she are? They? Like, who gives
Speaker 1: up about scary movies? And there was a pretty graphic
Speaker 1: scene where he opens the fridge and his roommate Greg,
Speaker 1: I think was like cutting the pieces in the fridge
Speaker 1: a co killer. We don't even him, No, he's just pieces.
Speaker 1: And I did think about this because we're hopefully going
Speaker 1: to bring Bridget back, because we did have so much
Speaker 1: to say about Scream. But I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: that I think when I said, like, phone calls really
Speaker 1: freaked me out. I think there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: why I'm not alone in that, But I wonder if
Speaker 1: Scream has contributed in some.
Speaker 3: Way to right but on the call, yeah, oh you
Speaker 3: know the whole like they're inside your house, which is
Speaker 3: an urban legend.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, that's true. I would love to talk
Speaker 1: about that. I did on my rewatch because you were
Speaker 1: recently talking about the trip you checked to New York
Speaker 1: for your birthday and you complained that like the restaurants
Speaker 1: didn't have the sign up front, you couldn't find it,
Speaker 1: and the at the beginning, the same thing.
Speaker 2: I was very was like, oh, I was Yeah.
Speaker 3: In New York City, the new posh Italian restaurant that
Speaker 3: we went to that we loved and had the amazing
Speaker 3: food was down an alley, literally by an alley in
Speaker 3: like side streets where we had to go where we
Speaker 3: passed many restaurants, there was no side said there was
Speaker 3: a design, except it was for a different name. I
Speaker 3: was like, that is not the name. And there was
Speaker 3: no mention of the actual place that we reserved, like
Speaker 3: we went and reserved the table or at the bar
Speaker 3: sitting next to the pasta station, as was recommended by TikTok,
Speaker 3: and like the name of the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Was not on there. It was a completely different name.
Speaker 3: And I had to be like, what the And on
Speaker 3: Google it doesn't tell you that it's a different restaurant either,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why did you do this?
Speaker 2: Why would you do this to us? Who? Who? Who
Speaker 2: thinks this is a smart marketing?
Speaker 3: I mean it was packed, so I don't one cared,
Speaker 3: I guess, but I was like, this is not smart.
Speaker 1: It was all ghost space. It was ghost space.
Speaker 3: I hadn't been when my partner one of those would
Speaker 3: have gotten murdered by ghost face. Now I said, that's
Speaker 3: you know, that's the lesson.
Speaker 1: It did make me laugh though, because I think maybe
Speaker 1: if you haven't been to New York aren't familiar with that,
Speaker 1: you know, this opening scene, you'd be as people love
Speaker 1: to do. And I understand it, but you're like, why
Speaker 1: would she do this? Why would she do that? I
Speaker 1: do think that, But she does have that comment about
Speaker 1: the the not they're not being a sign and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and he kind of uses that to lure
Speaker 1: her out. He's like, you can't find there's no sign.
Speaker 3: Which is like, you stand in front of him. That's
Speaker 3: a don't go anywhere. Other lessons. Stay with the peoples,
Speaker 3: staying with the people. Yep, all right, but yes. Tara
Speaker 3: and Sam now all live in New York, along with
Speaker 3: fellow survivors from the last movie, Mindy and Chad, who
Speaker 3: are related to Randy, who was the like movie guy
Speaker 3: who knew all the rules from the first three. Tara
Speaker 3: is attending the same university where the murdered professor taught, where.
Speaker 1: The killer student went to. In fact, they had to
Speaker 1: run in in the beginning, and it's chafing at the
Speaker 1: overprotectiveness of her sister, who moved to New York to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on Tara. Tara basically wants to have
Speaker 1: a quote regular college experience, and Sam is like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to taste this guy. We are also introduced
Speaker 1: to roommate Quinn, Chad's roommate Ethan Mindy's girlfriend Anika, Quinn's father,
Speaker 1: Detective Bailey, this Dermott guy, Sam's boyfriend from across the
Speaker 1: away of the apartment's Danny, and Sam's therapist, doctor Christopher Stone,
Speaker 1: who she mostly talks about Tara with. So these are
Speaker 1: your suspects, these are your victims. Because of an online
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that Sam masterminded all of the Woodsboro Legacy murderers,
Speaker 1: Sam is outcast and regarded with suspicion. When she goes out,
Speaker 1: Detective Bailey brings her in for questioning after her id
Speaker 1: was found the murder of the student, along with the
Speaker 1: ghost Face mask warned by Richie and Amber. However, as
Speaker 1: they're making their way to the police station, Sam gets
Speaker 1: a call from Richie's phone from ghost Face and she
Speaker 1: and attacked at a bodega where ghost Face kills several
Speaker 1: people with a gun. This is notable. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about this because ghost Face has never not used
Speaker 1: a knife ever.
Speaker 2: That's well, yeah, it's odd.
Speaker 1: Yes. The killer leaves another mask at the scene, this
Speaker 1: one from the twenty eleven words Boro Murders, which is
Speaker 1: Scream four. Once they get to the station, we're introduced
Speaker 1: to Kirby Reid, who is the horror movie scholar from
Speaker 1: the fourth one, who was presumed dead from these twenty
Speaker 1: eleven killings but now works, so they have to be FBI.
Speaker 1: I know I made you watch it in the fifth one,
Speaker 1: if you like, pause it at the right moment on
Speaker 1: the side of the YouTube page you can see survivor
Speaker 1: Kirby talks about the horrors of this whole thing. So
Speaker 1: you well, the fifth one was like, she's alive, but
Speaker 1: in the fourth one I definitely thought she was dead
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: So it ends like she does she's dead.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Okay, absolutely. I actually can't wait to talk
Speaker 1: about that because it's got a real like douchebag you
Speaker 1: didn't see how good I was earlier, Now I'm going
Speaker 1: to kill you vibe. So yeah, we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: So guess who else is there? Gail Weathers Border Gail Weathers, who,
Speaker 1: despite her promise at the end of the fifth one
Speaker 1: after Dewey Riley was murdered, who is her on and
Speaker 1: off again love interest, and her best friend wrote a
Speaker 1: book about the Legacy killings, which infuriated Sam and Tara.
Speaker 1: This is one of the things Bridget and I joked about,
Speaker 1: is I love about Gail Weathers. At the end of
Speaker 1: every movie, she's like, that's it, I'm done. Never again.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of the next she's like, I did
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: She gets punched. That's the kind of a running joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets punched, and yeah, by the way, Sam
Speaker 1: is the daughter of killer Billy Loomis from the first movie,
Speaker 1: so she was writing a little bit about that. Gail
Speaker 1: informs them that in order to keep her family safe,
Speaker 1: Sydney has gone into hiding, and we will talk about
Speaker 1: that more. In the end, Sam's therapist is murdered by
Speaker 1: ghost Face and the murderer steals her file while weaving
Speaker 1: the ghost Face mass from the Hollywood Killings Scream three.
Speaker 1: This brings us to the laying out of the rules
Speaker 1: scene which they have in every movie, where Mendy explains
Speaker 1: that they are in a franchise and one of the
Speaker 1: big rules is anyone can die and the franchise can
Speaker 1: go on Luke Skywalker Rip, Dewey Riley Rip. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny because Scream three already made this point
Speaker 1: when it was like you're in a trilogy. But anyway, right,
Speaker 1: there's survivors of the Legacy killing sort of form a
Speaker 1: pact to stick together and have a lighthearted moment where
Speaker 1: they tease Sam about her boyfriend Danny across the lay. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: said boyfriend sees their roommate to Quinn get attacked by
Speaker 1: ghost Face from his window, tries to get their attention,
Speaker 1: and then ghost Face attacks the rest of the group,
Speaker 1: eventually killing and leaving behind a mass from the Windsor
Speaker 1: College killing Scream too, so it's counting down. Also, there's
Speaker 1: a very scary scene of crossing an alley via a
Speaker 1: ladder suspended horizontally between two windows. Freaky. That is very reminiscent.
Speaker 1: The scene is Scream two where they're stuck in the car,
Speaker 1: the police car, and they have to like crawl out
Speaker 1: the front over ghost Face. No No. Gail tries to
Speaker 1: make amends with the group by bringing them into her investigation.
Speaker 1: She takes them to a theater that she found that
Speaker 1: contains a shrine set up for ghost Face, full of
Speaker 1: evidence now displayed as if it was like a movie
Speaker 1: prop museum, like if you were to go to a
Speaker 1: scream exhibit. It feels like that. The group splits up,
Speaker 1: very unsettled. Gail gets a call from gross Face at
Speaker 1: her apartment. This is sort of when they're like trying
Speaker 1: to set a trap for ghost Face and then they
Speaker 1: realize they're gone for Gail, and ghost Face kills Gail's
Speaker 1: boyfriend mocks her previous boyfriend, Dewey, before stabbing her and
Speaker 1: realizing the danger. Gala is in Sam and Tara arrived
Speaker 1: just in time to save her life. She is taken
Speaker 1: to the hospital. They decide to meet up with Kirby
Speaker 1: at the theater at her request in order to trap
Speaker 1: the killer. On the way there, they board a train
Speaker 1: filled with people just as ghost Face. Because this takes
Speaker 1: place at Halloween.
Speaker 3: On different faces. You had Mike Myers in there, yea
Speaker 3: different killers. Oh yeah, I wondered if they got permission
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Oh they must have.
Speaker 2: They must have, right, Like that must have cost some
Speaker 2: money though.
Speaker 1: It was a creepy scene, and one of them stabs Mindy,
Speaker 1: who like missed the first train was on a separate train.
Speaker 1: When they get to the theater, Sam is confronted with
Speaker 1: the hallucination of her father, Billy Limis, which was the
Speaker 1: thing that happened a lot in the fifth one, and
Speaker 1: he's basically like, if you want to save your sister,
Speaker 1: you need to embrace your inner murderer, Like, we really gotta,
Speaker 1: we gotta get a move on on this. Sam then
Speaker 1: realizes they are locked in the theater. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there are two ghost faces and they attack Chad. Both
Speaker 1: Kirby and Detective Bailey, whose first name is Wayne, shows up.
Speaker 1: They both show up that their guns are drawn. Wayne
Speaker 1: claims that Kirby is the killer, that she never was
Speaker 1: sent here by the FBI, that she is obsessed and
Speaker 1: mentally disturbed after what happened to her. But then he
Speaker 1: shoots her and reveals he is a third ghost face,
Speaker 1: which is a first in the franchise Three Killers. They
Speaker 1: had to do it, and he's also the ghost face
Speaker 1: in charge because the other two are his children roommates
Speaker 1: Quinn not Dead faked the whole thing, and Ethan, and
Speaker 1: they both like made sure they get to live with
Speaker 1: the people they wanted to kill, which is a tripe,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that and also guess what.
Speaker 1: They're Richie's family and they want revenge his surprise, a
Speaker 1: lot of surprises, that's true. I also talk about that
Speaker 1: yees to that end. They were the ones online spreading
Speaker 1: conspiracies and disparaging Sam. They want to pin the blame
Speaker 1: on her for all of the killings, basically exonerating Richie.
Speaker 1: Sam and Tara fight back, and Tara kills Quinn stabs
Speaker 1: Ethan while Sam puts on the ghostface mask from the
Speaker 1: original Woodsboro killings, the one her father wore in the
Speaker 1: first Scream, and calls Wayne using the pookoder to taunt him,
Speaker 1: which is something else that happens in the first Scream,
Speaker 1: and then kills him. Ethan makes another attack, but Kirby
Speaker 1: kills him with the TV that killed Stu Mocker in
Speaker 1: the first one. Sam promises to let Tara be more independent.
Speaker 1: Tara promises to go to therapy Mindy, Chad and Kirby
Speaker 1: are taken to the hospital. Sam stares at her father's
Speaker 1: mask for a long moment before tossing it away and
Speaker 1: following Tara and Danny, which, by the way, Danny has
Speaker 1: a whole thing where he's like, you shouldn't trust me.
Speaker 2: It's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because she says I've had a good run with boyfriends.
Speaker 1: He's like, I get it, which we are going to
Speaker 1: talk about too, but yeah, that's that's the plot that
Speaker 1: does bring us to the themes. One of the big
Speaker 1: ones in this is definitely like sisterhood and overprotectiveness, or
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue legitimate protectiveness.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't think it's. None of this is overprotective,
Speaker 3: especially if they're being like online harassed.
Speaker 2: That's a little different.
Speaker 1: It is it is, And I think it's interesting that
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense that Tara is like, no, I
Speaker 1: want I want to have this whole college experience. I
Speaker 1: want to be normal. But the fact is they did
Speaker 1: go through this, and they are being harassed online, and
Speaker 1: Sam does have a real concern and trauma around that
Speaker 1: and keeping her safe and keeping her alive, So it's
Speaker 1: like it makes sense. And then you do have the
Speaker 1: scene at the end where Sam's like holding Tara and
Speaker 1: she's about to fall and the killers are coming from
Speaker 1: all the sides, and Tara's like, let me go, let
Speaker 1: me go, I could do this, and Sam lets her go.
Speaker 1: And Tara did. To her credit, she killed that one
Speaker 1: person and then almost the other guy. I mean, it
Speaker 1: feels weird to be like, yeah, you killed him, but
Speaker 1: in a movie like this, that's the point. I do
Speaker 1: like in the beginning because Tara is drunk at a
Speaker 1: college party, having college party and it's like, I want
Speaker 1: to go with this guy, and I like that all
Speaker 1: of her friends are like, no, you really shouldn't. Anna
Speaker 1: becaus like, no, this guy is no good for you,
Speaker 1: and that's when uh, Sam comes in. Days is soon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna taste you
Speaker 1: in the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta get it done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that it is a nice thread throughout that
Speaker 1: they are friends. They call themselves the Core for jokingly
Speaker 1: and then kind of seriously that they're a team. They
Speaker 1: talk about being like a found family and surviving and
Speaker 1: bonding through this like trauma and the Woodsboro Legacy. I
Speaker 1: really appreciated the camaraderie between Mendy and Kirby Whore you're
Speaker 1: like horror movies aficionados. They have like a whole scene
Speaker 1: where they're like quizzing each other, and I really like
Speaker 1: that scene. But it is true that I would never
Speaker 1: put myself on the same level as this, but protective
Speaker 1: of my brothers, but especially my younger brother, especially when
Speaker 1: I was younger. I've kind of like east back, but
Speaker 1: it is hard when you're like the line between and
Speaker 1: why I doing too much? Like is this more for
Speaker 1: me and less for them? Like all of those things.
Speaker 1: So that made me think about about that. There's certainly
Speaker 1: the theme of trauma in a lot of ways, a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, including the sisters in their relationship, but
Speaker 1: also the ex boyfriend, which is a plot in the
Speaker 1: second scream where Sydney has this sex boyfriend to this boyfriend,
Speaker 1: but she keeps her boyfriend was the killer in the
Speaker 1: first one, so she just has a understandable concern that
Speaker 1: maybe is the boyfriend and this one. And I feel
Speaker 1: like even Dewey says, who he's a cop, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, look at the boyfriend, and she has that conversation.
Speaker 1: Sam has conversation with her boyfriends in this one because
Speaker 1: her ex was the killer, one of the killers previously,
Speaker 1: and he is just like, well, don't trust me until
Speaker 1: this is over. Let's figure this out. There's also that
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a lot of times. But the
Speaker 1: whole aspect on like mental health and horror, so like
Speaker 1: having Sam go to a therapist, having the thing at
Speaker 1: the end where Tara agrees to go to a therapist,
Speaker 1: but also the killer like steals her file, Sam's file
Speaker 1: because they know they can manipulate Sam that way, but
Speaker 1: also how people perceive Sam because it is seen as like, oh,
Speaker 1: something must be wrong with her, She's probably the killer.
Speaker 1: She's well, she's going to therapy, and this is what
Speaker 1: the therapist is saying. But then then also on top
Speaker 1: of that, there's the whole thing with Kirby, which I'm
Speaker 1: glad they actually turned because at first I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, when they're like she's crazy, she's the killer,
Speaker 1: she's obsessedes, I was like, oh, but they kind of
Speaker 1: like weaponized it because they knew people would believe it,
Speaker 1: and then turned out it wasn't true. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: that it turned out it wasn't true because we do
Speaker 1: see that trope all of the time. So I really
Speaker 1: liked that because that's what Scream does. That's what all
Speaker 1: these movies are about, is like taking a trope and
Speaker 1: then being like, let's flip that. So yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of times it would be her, but it wasn't, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad. And then just the kind of the there's
Speaker 1: a through line throughout with Sydney and then now with
Speaker 1: Sam of this idea like you're gonna crack, You're gonna
Speaker 1: crack and then kill people, And they're both kind of
Speaker 1: consistently either gaslets or being told they're paranoid, even though
Speaker 1: I would again argue have reasons of me paranoid. They
Speaker 1: have PTSD and they're just gonna snap that all this
Speaker 1: trauma with your boyfriend it means you can't function. So
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a constant thing with that of
Speaker 1: the dismissing of their trauma or using it to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the killer. You're definitely like I mean, a lot
Speaker 1: of our true crime shows like Snap to have titles
Speaker 1: like that in there, like You're just gonna one day snap.
Speaker 1: And that was a big theory because that's never been
Speaker 1: done so far, is that one of the main characters
Speaker 1: that you're like onboard with turns out to be the killer.
Speaker 1: But they do play with that this one and in
Speaker 1: a couple of them, so you have like Sam becoming
Speaker 1: the killer, like wearing the mask, using the voice again,
Speaker 1: I know. But we talked about this in the fifth
Speaker 1: one where the whole Star Wars thing where Ray is
Speaker 1: a Palpatine metaphor, which at the end of the fifth one,
Speaker 1: she's like, Oh, you want to kill her, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a killer. Sidney did the whole thing, but she
Speaker 1: didn't have She wasn't the whole Her father wasn't a killer,
Speaker 1: her her parents weren't killers. But that kind of the
Speaker 1: final girl of the victim as the victim versus a
Speaker 1: final girl of the killer. So it's like Sydney is
Speaker 1: kind of the first where she doesn't have this family
Speaker 1: thing looming over her. And then you've got Sam whose
Speaker 1: father was the original killer, and so that's she's a
Speaker 1: kind of different final girl. That's really interesting dichotomy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's there's something to say about sort of
Speaker 1: the the cycle of abuse here and the mass that
Speaker 1: her father wore when she puts that on. But again,
Speaker 1: she does become the killer then, and she looks at
Speaker 1: the mask and puts it away and chooses to go
Speaker 1: forth with her her sister and her boyfriend. But it
Speaker 1: is sort of suggestive of that idea that it's only
Speaker 1: a matter of time before she becomes her father and
Speaker 1: or it's just like hanging over her. And as you said,
Speaker 1: the blame the family trope is in here, but notably
Speaker 1: there is no mother. It is everyone presumably but the mother, yes,
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. It's also interesting to hear
Speaker 1: Sam describe killing Richie because I feel like most of
Speaker 1: the time that would have been painted in these movies
Speaker 1: specifically would have been painted as just self defense because
Speaker 1: he was trying to kill her. He had killed a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But because of who her father is,
Speaker 1: it seems more like evidence like she's also a killer,
Speaker 1: and that that whole idea of like come to the
Speaker 1: dark side, become a serial killer to save your sister. Again, look,
Speaker 1: I can't help it. It's Star Wars everywhere. Another thing
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting was the fact that the opening
Speaker 1: scene when the professor is killed, the killer is kind
Speaker 1: of like and you think, you know, horror like and
Speaker 1: you think you came down the stark alley and you
Speaker 1: did this, And we briefly talked about that in the
Speaker 1: episode we did with Bridget. But it is interesting as
Speaker 1: someone who does this, as someone who like I love
Speaker 1: to dissect, but I think there is a whole thing
Speaker 1: to be said about, like knowing the tropes but not
Speaker 1: knowing you're in a horror movie. I guess, like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I'd like that they commented on
Speaker 1: that though, that they commented on kind of the how
Speaker 1: a lot of people are dissecting these horror movies, and
Speaker 1: these movies lend themselves to that because there's so meta
Speaker 1: about horror movies. Also, something that was on my mind
Speaker 1: that we didn't get to talk about when Bridget was on,
Speaker 1: but I would love to come back, because we were
Speaker 1: sort of talking about like the media and how that
Speaker 1: maybe inspires killers or make people more violent. Those conversations
Speaker 1: we've all heard, and Bridget was making the point like
Speaker 1: when these movies were coming out, news media, like all
Speaker 1: day news media was really becoming a thing, and they weren't.
Speaker 1: They didn't receive the same rating like Y seven ORPG
Speaker 1: or whatever it would be that media did, so that
Speaker 1: they were kind of escaping the system while blaming the system,
Speaker 1: but doing the thing. And I do think that's interesting
Speaker 1: because so many of these movies have copycat killers and
Speaker 1: we've talked about, oh we haven't talked about but in
Speaker 1: our media, in our society. We've talked about, like there
Speaker 1: was a whole conversation of never saying a mass shooter's name,
Speaker 1: or like never because it'll inspire other people, and that's
Speaker 1: a bigger conversation than this. But I do think that's
Speaker 1: interesting that a lot of times it's not the movies,
Speaker 1: it's the people or copycat killers that saw it on
Speaker 1: the news. And then how often so many of these
Speaker 1: killers and throughout these movies are killing over things, like
Speaker 1: killing over grays. Because it's kind of implied that the
Speaker 1: professor in the beginning was in part killed because the
Speaker 1: guy didn't get a good grade I'm s which is
Speaker 1: real sad and awful. But then he's mad at her
Speaker 1: because he's like, you didn't you don't listen to your
Speaker 1: own you don't know the trope, so you're either you're
Speaker 1: ignoring them to come down this alleyway, and he talks
Speaker 1: about how she feels like an animal and like meat,
Speaker 1: and then the real ghost face calls and it's like,
Speaker 1: how does it feel before it kills him? And then
Speaker 1: this whole idea that they had to finish when Shei's
Speaker 1: filmed the killers in this movie but make it seem
Speaker 1: like he was not the killer and or was not
Speaker 1: to blame. Of course Gale. We talked about her, the
Speaker 1: complex nature of her and her relationship with her friends
Speaker 1: who are very much involved in a very like true
Speaker 1: crime type case, and then her as someone who wants
Speaker 1: to make money off the true crime type case. She
Speaker 1: even has a quote it's all about true crime limited
Speaker 1: series these days, which make me laugh. She does use
Speaker 1: her book to fight off ghost Space, which I thought
Speaker 1: was funny. Uh yeah, okay, and ghost Face makes a
Speaker 1: comment of like, who do you think will make money
Speaker 1: off of your death? There's also controlling the narrative, especially
Speaker 1: with the detective who blames Sam for radicalizing his son
Speaker 1: and his death because his son, Richie was very involved
Speaker 1: in this. Dab Movies was not happy with the newest
Speaker 1: Dab movie, wanted to make a storyline in real life
Speaker 1: that they would make the next Stab movie off of.
Speaker 1: And he's on Reddit boards and all this stuff. So
Speaker 1: not really her fault at all, but that's what the
Speaker 1: detective said. But that was one of the things throughout it.
Speaker 1: You're like, how are they getting this evidence? How are
Speaker 1: they getting this evidence? The ghost face mask and he's
Speaker 1: a detective and he had access to it, so he
Speaker 1: could kind of control that. The trope of the roommate,
Speaker 1: that is a huge horror movie trope, Oh the roommate,
Speaker 1: then they will always look out. The whole idea of
Speaker 1: assassinating the character is a big topic in a lot
Speaker 1: of these where they did purposely go online basically start
Speaker 1: a campaign to say no, it was her, it was
Speaker 1: Sam all along. Like I said earlier, this was supposed
Speaker 1: to be it was. It was like this one's different,
Speaker 1: the three murderers thing completely new. I'm still perplexed at
Speaker 1: how he was going to explain his daughter was alive.
Speaker 1: The detective the gun I think was supposed to be
Speaker 1: kind of a hint that it was a cop. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Being not a fan of ghost Face,
Speaker 1: I think in the very first scene, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this is not because a lot of
Speaker 1: times it does turn out to be somebody who in
Speaker 1: some way respects ghost Face. But this was not that
Speaker 1: kind of leaning into the trope of the good cop
Speaker 1: that he was like the good the good guy, and
Speaker 1: he was gonna he really wanted to get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of this because what happened to his daughter. Then
Speaker 1: you get to see the evolution of the mask, all
Speaker 1: of the different masks and how they get more and
Speaker 1: more worn and torn and dirty. Interesting. So this brings
Speaker 1: us to kind of the elephant in the room. Sidney
Speaker 1: Prescott was not in it, and they did try to
Speaker 1: explain it as like she's taking care of herself. She
Speaker 1: deserves a happy ending, which I've talked about, Like I
Speaker 1: do feel that. I'm like, stay away, Sydney, You've been
Speaker 1: through enough. But the fact she's not in there, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, something's missing. But okay. Yes. This was the
Speaker 1: first screen movie not to feature Nev Campbell Sidney Prescott
Speaker 1: and it was due to a pay disputes, and Campbell
Speaker 1: said the offer was insulting. Here is a quote from Newsweek.
Speaker 1: I felt the offer that was presented to me did
Speaker 1: not equate to the value I brought to the franchise.
Speaker 1: It's been a very difficult decision to move on. To
Speaker 1: all my screen fans, I love you. You've always been
Speaker 1: so incredibly supportive to me. I'm forever grateful to you
Speaker 1: and what this franchise has given me over the past
Speaker 1: twenty five years. I honestly don't believe that if I
Speaker 1: were a man and had done five installments of a
Speaker 1: huge blockbuster franchise over twenty five years. That the number
Speaker 1: that I was offered would be the number that would
Speaker 1: be offered to a man. I'm not just done with
Speaker 1: the chapter. I care about these movies. If they were
Speaker 1: to come to me with an amount that felt in
Speaker 1: keeping with the value that I bring them, I would
Speaker 1: certainly consider it. So that being said, like I mentioned previously,
Speaker 1: there is discussion she'll be in the next one. It
Speaker 1: is not confirmed at all. There is discussion, and I
Speaker 1: did appreciate that a lot, well, I won't say a lot,
Speaker 1: a couple at least. I didn't like go looking, but
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of high profile cases of her
Speaker 1: co stars supporting her. Matthew Lillard was very openly vocal
Speaker 1: about his support of her and her getting more money,
Speaker 1: which is nice because we know so often that is
Speaker 1: not the case when things like this happen. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see. Also, I wasn't convinced Gail was
Speaker 1: even going to come back. I thought she might die
Speaker 1: and they'd kind of leave it open. I'm assuming she's
Speaker 1: going to come back unless they don't pay her enough.
Speaker 1: They left it open that she could have died at
Speaker 1: the end. I was I like, looked it up afterwards.
Speaker 1: I was like, Gail is still alive?
Speaker 3: That they said she's fine, Then they don't. They say
Speaker 3: she's at the hospital, she's recovering.
Speaker 1: They say she's recovering. But I was like, they could
Speaker 1: kill her. It could be like making sure. I don't
Speaker 1: think they would.
Speaker 3: It would be really silly. At the very least, they
Speaker 3: need to say she's in hiatus or hiding, like because
Speaker 3: they might want to bring her back. Because this seems
Speaker 3: to be a never ending thing. Yes, but isn't there
Speaker 3: a rumor that Matthew Willer is going to be in there?
Speaker 1: There is a rumor he's going to be in there.
Speaker 1: I am so perplexed by it. I mean, he seemed
Speaker 1: it as a door dill, but.
Speaker 2: I mean the TV.
Speaker 1: It could be either. It could be the thing like
Speaker 1: with Billy Loomis. Though I feel like they can't hold
Speaker 1: that trick too many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: You can't have too many like I mean, actually you
Speaker 3: can if you keep doing the movie and focus on
Speaker 3: one at a time. That's so the next one ends
Speaker 3: up being the Matthew Lillard offspring. And they're fighting because
Speaker 3: they're blaming Billy for killing him because he does kill them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, Yeah that could be there.
Speaker 2: You go, I just saw spoiler.
Speaker 1: I knew you were involved in the writing of that.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Also, there is something that they're trying to do at
Speaker 1: the end of this one where they are also implying.
Speaker 1: Because it's been mostly oh Sam could be a killer,
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, Tara could be a killer.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, Tara was like the one encouraging her to
Speaker 3: kill him, like a part. She's like, I'm gonna be human,
Speaker 3: I'm better than this. And you see the look on
Speaker 3: Tara's face where it's like yeah, and then it's just.
Speaker 2: Do what what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: To finish them essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like it's of a strange because she's
Speaker 1: not directly related to Billy Loomis. I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: that matters that much, but she's the one that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: leaning into it.
Speaker 3: There's this whole thing and it's not just scream but
Speaker 3: like the old narrative that a psychopath or sociopath is
Speaker 3: passed down slash hereditary and is still being used everywhere,
Speaker 3: except there's no proof at all.
Speaker 2: Anywhere.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that that's the case mental health, sure, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean sociopathic serial killer. Like that's a whole
Speaker 3: different conversation. We know that sociopaths can also be CEOs
Speaker 3: and politicians oftentimes, But like this narrative that just keeps
Speaker 3: perpetuating that it has been fairly debunked, essentially keeps happening
Speaker 3: and reinforced, which I find interesting because I've seen that
Speaker 3: in a lot of K dramas as well. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm very confused, especially when it's like they're adopted, but oh,
Speaker 3: I know that my father was a serial killer.
Speaker 2: My biological father was a serial killer, so so am I.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's not how that completely goes because
Speaker 3: the environment, okay, whatever, But there's a lot of conversation
Speaker 3: in that in which we see Sam's character being that, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, every time they say Sam and Samantha,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I always confused because my name is
Speaker 3: so rarely used as main characters.
Speaker 2: Like, so I'm like, what's happening, what's happening?
Speaker 3: But yeah, Taro just being sick and tired of it
Speaker 3: and wanted to kill, Like I feel like she should
Speaker 3: come out as being the full killer. She's just tired
Speaker 3: of Almond and just takes them all out.
Speaker 1: I mean she was giving off that vibe at then
Speaker 1: she is definitely give it off a.
Speaker 2: Vibe like it's my head. She's gonna just go after
Speaker 2: a screen fans Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where people like get so obsessed and they're on
Speaker 3: Reddit about how amazing he is and attacking the family.
Speaker 2: So she just everybody here, I just made two movies.
Speaker 1: You did, You're welcome? Wow, you could be rolling in
Speaker 1: the dough Samantha.
Speaker 3: I'm giving damn it. Like I heard like screen producers
Speaker 3: are listening to us.
Speaker 1: That would be such a like dark heavy load to
Speaker 1: pull off the like terror has been radicalized by Reddit.
Speaker 1: It is now killing people, but like.
Speaker 3: Not because she's a fan, but because she's pissed off
Speaker 3: that they're perpetuating those and making her life miserable.
Speaker 1: And then the campaign would be like, oh no, because
Speaker 1: Screen does have They had what I think is a
Speaker 1: I mean X it works, but it could have gone
Speaker 1: very wrong where they had ghost space factors dresses go
Speaker 1: space walking around New York at night and going up
Speaker 1: to like cameras.
Speaker 3: I told you, it was just turning very dark. That
Speaker 3: I had a defect case where one of the spouses
Speaker 3: were tormenting his spouse. His spouse by randomly placing the
Speaker 3: screen mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, we came to investigate and she was she was
Speaker 3: not doing well anyway, so which was perfect layout for
Speaker 3: someone to like gaslight her essentially, And she pointed to
Speaker 3: the back and was like, do you see this? And
Speaker 3: we turned back around and it was the ghostface mask
Speaker 3: and I was like, what is happening. She's like, he
Speaker 3: put it there last night, and we were like what.
Speaker 3: And this was before like security cameras were so accessible,
Speaker 3: like you can get them, but it was expensive. It
Speaker 3: was for rich people, and she was going through a
Speaker 3: really ugly divorce. So I was just like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's no good.
Speaker 2: That was my era.
Speaker 3: That was two thousand and five, two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Right around the fourth one. Nah, that was right around
Speaker 1: the third one. The fourth one was excuse.
Speaker 3: Me, I was gonna say, I think it was still
Speaker 3: in the trilogy because the third one came out as big.
Speaker 2: The second was like.
Speaker 1: Ooh m oh, I love their well, I love them
Speaker 1: all but I do think that the interesting thing about
Speaker 1: ghost Face, and we did talk about this in the
Speaker 1: Fifth Wood, and I promise I'll wrap up, even though
Speaker 1: I did skip a whole section of Star Wars comparison.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 2: Writing it out.
Speaker 1: I've done enough. I don't need to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: There is an interesting thing about ghost Face and that
Speaker 1: he she, they is not the same killer. It's not
Speaker 1: like Michael Myers somehow got resurrected like every movie somehow,
Speaker 1: it is a different killer every time. Uh ooh, that
Speaker 1: could be an interesting Oh no, but it's a different
Speaker 1: killer every time. But they wear the mask and it's
Speaker 1: like they are ghost Face. And they use that in
Speaker 1: a lot of the movies where they're at a movie
Speaker 1: premiere and everyone's wearing the ghost Face mask, but one
Speaker 1: of them actually is ghost Face and kills you in
Speaker 1: front of everyone. Like I feel like the ghost Face
Speaker 1: mask has this because because it does that, when I
Speaker 1: see someone dressed as that, I am legitimately nervous, like,
Speaker 1: oh god, where.
Speaker 2: Were we recently and you're like ghost Face.
Speaker 1: Oh, there was a bunch of them at Dragon Con.
Speaker 1: There was a bunch, That's what it was. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny because he was come up
Speaker 1: the escalator and I was like.
Speaker 2: I'm going on down the stairs things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, I have had a blast. I've had
Speaker 1: so much fun. I do recommend this movie. If you're
Speaker 1: in any way interested in slashers and horror and dissecting horror,
Speaker 1: I recommend it. We might be doing more. We don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the second after thing is done, so yeah,
Speaker 3: let's talk about more movies.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. We will announce it one way or
Speaker 1: the other. Our Sex in the City happy hours are
Speaker 1: probably gonna resume in the new year. Yes, but we
Speaker 1: might be doing some scream happy hours in the meeting.
Speaker 2: I think we should.
Speaker 1: I think we should. Wow, of course I think we should.
Speaker 1: But yes, well, listeners, if you have any thoughts about this,
Speaker 1: if you have any movies we should do for Spoiled Saturdays,
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