Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 2: Will not be deemed a culture.
Speaker 3: Miss fan from the Chris Westling Podcast Studio and beyond.
Speaker 3: It's Around the NFL, the Week eleven flagship program where
Speaker 3: we break down everything that went down on this football Sunday.
Speaker 2: I am Dan Hansis, and I am joined.
Speaker 3: By two heroes in the afore mentioned Chris Westling Podcast studio,
Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. I am in the guest
Speaker 3: bedroom of Keith and Deb's. So that's that's the setup
Speaker 3: as we begin today's show.
Speaker 4: And yet it's not even the biggest story about the
Speaker 4: setup here. Very nice Mark to have you back in
Speaker 4: the crest with Chris Westling Podcast Studio.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 6: You know it's have a recurring health issue that is
Speaker 6: bubbled up multiple times. And appreciate you guys, you know,
Speaker 6: holding it down to anyone that some people that reached
Speaker 6: out to me who have not had a chance to
Speaker 6: thank some of the listeners. We've got a great group listeners,
Speaker 6: So thank you, and I hope it doesn't occur ever again,
Speaker 6: or at least not again during the regular season our playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I must say that we did miss you this week, Mark,
Speaker 3: and the shows were I thought solid and entertaining, but
Speaker 3: we need the cess dog in the mix, so getting
Speaker 3: them back for the flagship show is a big deal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just trying to be a culture fit at the
Speaker 6: same time, So working on all these issues at once.
Speaker 4: Plus we got to have it back when the Browns
Speaker 4: are seven and three. There's something that's never happened in
Speaker 4: the history of our podcast, but I know we'll get
Speaker 4: to that later.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 2: That's true, Mark, don't be a culture misfit, culture fit.
Speaker 6: I will say, Actually, the Browns were seven and three
Speaker 6: once when Mike Petton was coach. I believe now it's
Speaker 6: but they lost all the rest of their games, So
Speaker 6: hopefully a different path this time for that crew.
Speaker 3: We're going to get to the Browns in just a
Speaker 3: little bit because they are a very nice story here.
Speaker 2: But let's start with a game and a lot of
Speaker 2: good games for the second straight Sunday. We had a
Speaker 2: lot of games that went right down to the wire.
Speaker 3: Not as many field goal kicks to end it, but
Speaker 3: there were a few of those as well. But let's
Speaker 3: start in Detroit where the Lions did battle with the
Speaker 3: Bears and it was a little tighter than we expected.
Speaker 6: Fields back, Lions rush four, field four, getting get hit
Speaker 6: ball loose.
Speaker 5: It's not the fun.
Speaker 1: It's kicked out of the enzone. That's a safety, that's
Speaker 1: a safe thing.
Speaker 4: The Lions are gonna win this game.
Speaker 1: Meg hudred six knocked loose.
Speaker 4: Itick went out of the back of the enzone and
Speaker 4: the Lions are gonna lock this one down.
Speaker 7: What a game?
Speaker 2: What a game? Whoa man?
Speaker 3: We still got to get Dan Miller on the show,
Speaker 3: but that is on the to do list.
Speaker 4: Yeah, put that on the potential top ten calls of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 7: Left.
Speaker 3: Sure, I think Miller's all over that list once we
Speaker 3: get a look at the raw data.
Speaker 2: Yes, Miller for w x YT with the call.
Speaker 3: Jared Goff through a thirty two yard touchdown, tested Jamison
Speaker 3: Williams with three to zero six to play and set
Speaker 3: up David Montgomery. Gough had one yard touchdown run with
Speaker 3: twenty nine seconds left, and then the defense that you
Speaker 3: heard there closed things out in a thirty one to
Speaker 3: twenty six win over the Chicago Bears, a Bears team
Speaker 3: that got Justin Fields back on the field.
Speaker 2: Greg Gyard.
Speaker 3: Goff has been so good this year and yet this
Speaker 3: game he wasn't here's a quote, it was not my
Speaker 3: best ball for three and a half quarters. Where a
Speaker 3: resilient crew, we're tough, we don't back down. So even
Speaker 3: in a day when GoF was his old turnover bug
Speaker 3: had returned, they still find a way a sign of
Speaker 3: a good team.
Speaker 4: I was shocked by the end of this game because
Speaker 4: for fifty five minutes it was one sided like it
Speaker 4: wasn't like I know, Goff had the three interceptions, one
Speaker 4: was tip, the other one like a receiver bumped off
Speaker 4: his route, but he also had two that weren't caught
Speaker 4: by the Bears that were terrible throws, and he was terrible.
Speaker 4: But even beyond that, they were just outmanned. The time
Speaker 4: of possession was thirty eight to sixteen going into those
Speaker 4: final five minutes three hundred and forty three yards to
Speaker 4: one ninety one. Justin Field's played fantastic, and yet they
Speaker 4: got the ball with four thirty to go and they
Speaker 4: were four to fifteen to go. It's the first time
Speaker 4: all year any team down ten with five minutes to
Speaker 4: go has won the game.
Speaker 1: And they scored so quickly.
Speaker 4: Six plays seventy five yards including that Jamison will Jamison
Speaker 4: Williams touchdown, he gets free, they get a three and
Speaker 4: out where justin fields after run run pass, you know,
Speaker 4: Putt in a tough spot drops an absolute dime down
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 1: Would have been the game winner. It was a it
Speaker 1: was a.
Speaker 4: Gutsy throw to try, but it was a perfectly thrown
Speaker 4: ball down the field. Tyler Scott drops the ball about
Speaker 4: forty five yards down the field. Lions get the ball back,
Speaker 4: score quickly, and then make that defensive play. Just handled
Speaker 4: all the situational football so well and markets cut. I
Speaker 4: think it's kind of one of those other things, like
Speaker 4: the Lions are eight and two, but this is a
Speaker 4: nice little thing to add to your resume on a
Speaker 4: day where you kind of stink and you're getting outplayed,
Speaker 4: that hey, we can go score two touchdown to win
Speaker 4: a ball game.
Speaker 6: In the last five year, Yeah, in a way, it's
Speaker 6: learning to win a different way. And then when they've
Speaker 6: been dominant, they've been so dominant and this was a
Speaker 6: typical and it was a typical Jared Goff from this
Speaker 6: version that we've seen. He hadn't had a game like
Speaker 6: this going back to like twenty twenty one, and I
Speaker 6: love the way they talked about him after because I
Speaker 6: think if you're Jared Goff, like one of my seared
Speaker 6: memories that affected my idea of GoF for songs, we
Speaker 6: saw that Rams Patriots super Bowl in person, and you
Speaker 6: could just tell pregame the moment just seemed too big
Speaker 6: for him. And this could have been a chance he's
Speaker 6: getting booed in, you know, by the fans during a
Speaker 6: year where the Lions become the biggest story around. It's like,
Speaker 6: are we gonna slink back and go back to our
Speaker 6: old ways? And he found a way out of it.
Speaker 6: And I thought another part of this too was that
Speaker 6: for all the ups and downs, like they did hold
Speaker 6: the Bears on third down, they stopped him a bunch
Speaker 6: and some potential touchdown drives or field goals. I think
Speaker 6: that mattered a lot. And you can't go blame justin Fields.
Speaker 6: This was just a Lions team that finds different ways
Speaker 6: to win, and today it was like, go into the
Speaker 6: darkest corner and work your way out.
Speaker 2: Fields' return was successful.
Speaker 3: They didn't get the win out of it, but he
Speaker 3: finished sixteen to twenty three for one hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: nine yards and a touchdown. Had a very nice deep
Speaker 3: ball in this game. Including a touchdown throw to DJ More.
Speaker 3: But in the end, yes, they weren't able to win
Speaker 3: a game in which they turned the ball over on
Speaker 3: the other side four times.
Speaker 2: That's a bitter pill to swallow.
Speaker 3: And I think Shuk brought this up Greg on the
Speaker 3: preview show, and it's worth bringing up again because I
Speaker 3: don't want to take any air out of the balloon
Speaker 3: to the Lions. We're off to their best start in
Speaker 3: many years now at eight and two, steaming towards a
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Day game where they were always kind of like
Speaker 3: the laughing stock of Thanksgiving, and now they're one of
Speaker 3: the top dogs in the league.
Speaker 2: That's great, but you know, this schedule is not imposing.
Speaker 3: So you take care of business against a team like
Speaker 3: the Bears, there's gonna be questions about Detroit all the
Speaker 3: way to the playoffs because this is kind of what
Speaker 3: their schedule is. I'm not not trying to be that guy,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like you had to pull a
Speaker 3: rabbit out of your hat against the Bears, They're gonna
Speaker 3: have to be sharper than this when the real schedule arrives,
Speaker 3: which might not be till the middle of January.
Speaker 4: Right, They've got the Vikings a couple of times. They
Speaker 4: have basically I think they have an at Cleveland in there.
Speaker 5: I believe, well the Saints, Oh.
Speaker 1: No, they have the Saints.
Speaker 4: They're gonna end up losing one or two of these
Speaker 4: games because they're not perfect. Because we saw what could
Speaker 4: happen to golf today. They did run the ball very effectively,
Speaker 4: including on even on those game you know, winning drives.
Speaker 4: In the fourth quarter, they threw in a couple of
Speaker 4: runs and that was good. Jameson Williams is starting to
Speaker 4: make plays. But I was concerned about their defense now
Speaker 4: coming off some bad performances out of the bye, and
Speaker 4: then you play against Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: He was the best player on the field.
Speaker 4: I mean, he made good decisions, he made good throws.
Speaker 1: It could have been more.
Speaker 4: They scored, I believe, on five straight drives before that
Speaker 4: last five minute sweequence, where again I pointed out how
Speaker 4: Fields actually had a nice throw that was dropped on
Speaker 4: the last drive.
Speaker 1: They really had a chance.
Speaker 4: And you're right, Mark, it was these fourth down decisions,
Speaker 4: which if you look at each one, you can't kill Eberflus.
Speaker 4: But he kicked a couple field goals in fourth down
Speaker 4: situations one to go up two scores, but it was
Speaker 4: fourth and one and they really had the Lions on
Speaker 4: the rope, and he decides to kick a short biegal
Speaker 4: and then another fourth and five when they decide to
Speaker 4: go from nine to twelve. I didn't like that one
Speaker 4: at all, and I think, big picture for the Bears,
Speaker 4: his defense again after a great game like collapses in
Speaker 4: the big spot and he is now I think something
Speaker 4: like five and twenty three, and I think games like
Speaker 4: this they're not gonna help him stick around picks.
Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on this one, Greg that you took
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 4: It by the way six and twenty two. I want
Speaker 4: to be accurate when I'm getting after it. No, I
Speaker 4: think I hit the big ones. I will give the
Speaker 4: Lions some credit here that they ran the ball really
Speaker 4: well against a good Bears run defense. It's been good
Speaker 4: all year, and Gibbs Montgomery like that is a thing.
Speaker 4: It shows in this game they do not want to
Speaker 4: fall behind and like get into those sort of game scripts,
Speaker 4: because when they can get ahead and run the ball,
Speaker 4: they are toughest.
Speaker 6: There was a play in this game where Jill and
Speaker 6: Johnson dropped what would have been another interception in oh
Speaker 6: yeah six. It's like goth Not all of those interceptions
Speaker 6: interceptions were on him, but he came close to us
Speaker 6: talking a very different way about him this evening.
Speaker 4: He could have had five picks. He could have had
Speaker 4: that pick six that Jalen Johnson dropped. It would have
Speaker 4: ended the game. So the Lion's getting a little lucky too,
Speaker 4: but that never hurts, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So the Lions get the Packers. On Thanksgiving Day,
Speaker 3: it was the Packers fighting for their playoff lives against
Speaker 3: the La Chargers, and it's another one that went down
Speaker 3: to the very end.
Speaker 2: At the thirty five Keenan, Allen and Merchant left.
Speaker 8: Herbert had the shotgun fourth and one for the Chargers
Speaker 8: twenty three seconds ago.
Speaker 9: Snap to Herbert, looks, wait, fires it.
Speaker 2: Come play down, Tenny Clark. The biggest play of that game.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Chargers, we are dismissed with nineteen seconds to go.
Speaker 2: There is your dagger, delivered.
Speaker 8: By the Green Bay defense in particular Tenny Clark.
Speaker 2: Yes, Kenny Clark with a big paw. He got that
Speaker 2: big play.
Speaker 3: You got that big meat hook up there, knocked it
Speaker 3: away the Herbert pass, ending another frustrating game for the
Speaker 3: LA Chargers under Brandon Staley. In the end, it was
Speaker 3: a twenty three to twenty victory for the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3: Jordan Love had perhaps the best game of his young
Speaker 3: career here, throwing for three hundred and twenty two yards,
Speaker 3: and he hit Romeo Dobbs for a twenty four yard
Speaker 3: touchdown with two thirty three to play that put Green
Speaker 3: Bay ahead, and then they get the stand on defense
Speaker 3: to shut it down. So this was kind of a
Speaker 3: good opponent for Green Bay because we know the Packers
Speaker 3: are a.
Speaker 2: Team this year that have struggled.
Speaker 3: Down the stretch of games trying to find ways to
Speaker 3: close games out. And they found a Chargers team that
Speaker 3: this is their business, this is their bread and butter.
Speaker 3: They take games that they should win and they find
Speaker 3: ways to lose them. And that is absolutely what I
Speaker 3: saw here today. And we're getting to the point now
Speaker 3: with the Chargers mark where you start to ask questions
Speaker 3: about I understand management side of it. They're not a
Speaker 3: team that is known for firing coaches in season, but
Speaker 3: you know, after another day where the offense or the
Speaker 3: defense that's supposed to be his baby gets shredded, this
Speaker 3: time by Jordan Love. And a Packers' offense that has
Speaker 3: not been dynamic this season, Like, are they a team
Speaker 3: that is a candidate here to pull the trigger in
Speaker 3: season on a move in a desperation ploy to save
Speaker 3: their season because we are heading to the life support
Speaker 3: ward right now for the Chargers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, on the hottest seat around maybe west of Ron Rivera.
Speaker 6: And it's because of the way these games dissolve for
Speaker 6: the Chargers. It's like you have bad dropped by Keenan
Speaker 6: Allen Quentin Johnson's like signature move at this point is
Speaker 6: like game defining bobbles and drops that like change everything.
Speaker 4: And I don't need to hear that Justin Herbert can't
Speaker 4: like game winning drive he puts that pass out there
Speaker 4: for Johnston.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like I think it's like you'd have to
Speaker 6: be had not watched to blame it, to blame it
Speaker 6: on Justin Herbert. But I thought this was sort of
Speaker 6: like an acid test for this defense. It's been as
Speaker 6: struggling up and down Packers offense, and instead we come
Speaker 6: out of this with Love playing one of his finer performances,
Speaker 6: and guys like Jaden Red and Luke Musgrave and Dante
Speaker 6: Avian Wicks like showing up and making the offense look functional.
Speaker 6: It's like, what this is the opposite of what Brandon
Speaker 6: Staley can argue. But I think after the game like
Speaker 6: his comments were baffling people as well.
Speaker 3: Here's Brandon Staley asked about changes for the team that
Speaker 3: is struggling badly as we reach late November.
Speaker 10: I have full confidence, like I've told you, and like
Speaker 10: I told you from the beginning, I have full confidence
Speaker 10: in our way of playing. Full confidence in myself is
Speaker 10: the play caller and the way that we teach and
Speaker 10: the way that we scheme. Full confidence in that we
Speaker 10: got to bring this group together and do it consistently. Okay,
Speaker 10: And that's where it's at. So you can stop asking
Speaker 10: that question. Okay, I'm going to be calling the defenses, okay,
Speaker 10: So we're clear, so you don't have to ask that again.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, we've been doing this long enough.
Speaker 3: When you hear that tone in a head coach, it's
Speaker 3: it's a little defiant, but it's also there's a defensiveness
Speaker 3: and a sensitivity that you're picking up on.
Speaker 2: This is a coach who knows that he's in trouble.
Speaker 3: Joey Bosa limped off the field in the first quarter
Speaker 3: with a foot injury, showed up in the second half
Speaker 3: in street clothes and in a walking boot. It had
Speaker 3: all the all the looks of a serious injury and
Speaker 3: maybe Greg, you and I were texting, maybe this is
Speaker 3: the last snap that Joey Bosa ends up playing for
Speaker 3: the Chargers. Day was not happy being prodded about Bosa's situation.
Speaker 2: Either, I don't.
Speaker 4: Man, there, he goes.
Speaker 6: It's I mean, you've all been like in hot water
Speaker 6: with a like a significant other, and like when things
Speaker 6: get testy, it's like this is like that's it makes
Speaker 6: me feel that same way. It's like he he came
Speaker 6: in as such a likable guy by the media and
Speaker 6: not a tough group of media people in general in
Speaker 6: covering this team, and it's like it's dissolving before you
Speaker 6: ours And you're right, Dan, it reminds you of like
Speaker 6: other coaches in the eleventh hour, and not a good
Speaker 6: eleventh hour.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I feel like we could play Brandon's
Speaker 4: daily clips all night. I don't even want to. But
Speaker 4: it's the it's the defensiveness like that. At one point
Speaker 4: he talked, you know, talked about he's not here to
Speaker 4: talk about the fan base. They talk to the fan base,
Speaker 4: and it's not like we haven't made improvements. We have
Speaker 4: made improvements. It's not the true that truth that we
Speaker 4: haven't made improvements. And he's just feeling this all personally,
Speaker 4: and then as he's trying to defend the defense, he
Speaker 4: points out essentially, you know, the offense kind of blew
Speaker 4: this one too, which is like, not not a great look.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely true.
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen drops a touchdown, Quentin Johnson drops another, past
Speaker 4: they are zero and five in games decided by three
Speaker 4: points or less, and I just think, I just think
Speaker 4: of this team, and I think of sloppiness like that
Speaker 4: Jane Reid rushing touchdown, where like none of the guys
Speaker 4: on the second and third levels are in their run
Speaker 4: fits at all. It's just you know, Austin Eckler getting
Speaker 4: stuff at the goal, and it's just all these little
Speaker 4: things add up when you watch a Chargers game.
Speaker 3: It was to kind of even underline the point you
Speaker 3: just made, Greg, five of the Chargers six losses have
Speaker 3: been for a combined fourteen points. So the difference between
Speaker 3: ten and seven and seven to ten is right there.
Speaker 3: That inability to kind of find a way. And you know,
Speaker 3: this is a team that has a lot of stars
Speaker 3: on it, a lot of big names, and it's never
Speaker 3: really happened. Khalil Mack went over double digit sacks in
Speaker 3: this game. You have Herbert, you have Keenan Allen Havn
Speaker 3: arguably the best season of his career. You also have
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler. I just want to Austin Eckler. Two things
Speaker 3: I noticed here with their star players. Eckler broke away
Speaker 3: in the first half into the open field and it
Speaker 3: was like he had a piano on his back. And
Speaker 3: that has been kind of a kind of sneaky, quiet
Speaker 3: situation with Eckler this season. I feel like he has
Speaker 3: not been nearly as explosive, and he did deal with
Speaker 3: injuries earlier in the year, and I'm just wondering if
Speaker 3: he's playing healthy. Obviously not good for a guy trying
Speaker 3: to get a deal. And then the other thing I
Speaker 3: want to note is Herbert, who did really nothing to
Speaker 3: lose this game. But you actually sometimes I want Herbert
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more like Why I like Burrow,
Speaker 3: for instance, more than Herbert as a player to watch
Speaker 3: is I love the fiery charisma that Burrow possesses, which
Speaker 3: Burrow that Herbert doesn't naturally possess. But I want to
Speaker 3: show you one play again the dysfunction and the failures
Speaker 3: of the team to do the little things. It's late
Speaker 3: in the game. It's a fourth and short play. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: it's late in the game and they're trying to get
Speaker 3: something going with seven forty to play.
Speaker 2: They don't get the playoff.
Speaker 3: They have a backup center in and you see Herbert
Speaker 3: spike the ball into the ground, scream at his line,
Speaker 3: and it's just like I actually liked seeing it, but
Speaker 3: it also I thought was a snapshot into the frustration
Speaker 3: around that has to be in that building right now,
Speaker 3: and you're just wondering, we're gonna get to the Jets
Speaker 3: a little bit later, how long before it starts leaking
Speaker 3: out and that could be the death knell for the coach.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, I just I have a bit of.
Speaker 3: A just a suspicion that Staley is in mortal danger
Speaker 3: this week and in the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'd almost have to publish like a flashpoint focus
Speaker 6: probably right after the show to get ahead of that.
Speaker 4: I think we're a little late. I'm like saying that
Speaker 4: the Chargement.
Speaker 6: We're a little late, but I mean, I do think
Speaker 6: that Herbert has shown like insane toughness and like total competitives.
Speaker 6: I know what you mean, Dan, but it's like he's
Speaker 6: also finally got reasons every game to feel frustrated and.
Speaker 5: That reaction just has to be natural.
Speaker 6: And it's like these players are not children, they're not
Speaker 6: college players. It's not hard to lose a lot a
Speaker 6: month ago, and so I really wonder what's happening inside
Speaker 6: the building, because you're right, Dan, they don't do the
Speaker 6: little things right. They remind you of a team that
Speaker 6: doesn't close when they need to, and it goes beyond
Speaker 6: just the game to execution.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: They also got their leading rusher out of Justin Herbert
Speaker 4: today eight carries for seventy three yards, which to me
Speaker 4: shows he knows how desperate the situation is.
Speaker 1: He is not someone that is looking to run.
Speaker 4: A lot of those were runs up the middle where
Speaker 4: he took some big hits and everything. I know Packers
Speaker 4: fans are geting on us. We spent all this time
Speaker 4: in the Chargers.
Speaker 1: I said it.
Speaker 4: If you go check out NFL Plus last week or
Speaker 4: no was it. It was on our podcast. Actually we
Speaker 4: talked about snaky stories. It's so hard about Yeah, we
Speaker 4: thought Jordan Love. I thought Jordan Love had his best
Speaker 4: two games of the season in a row, and here's
Speaker 4: another nice game. Doesn't even you know, Christian Watson is
Speaker 4: their seventh leading receiver on this gate and they still
Speaker 4: get it done. So three twenty two, you get to
Speaker 4: four and six, you're on Thanksgiving. You're not out of it.
Speaker 4: Actually going into Thanksgiving here against millions.
Speaker 3: I know the lines are eight and two, but that
Speaker 3: is not an impossible ask if they can find a
Speaker 3: way in that game, in that conference. The NFC is very,
Speaker 3: very soggy in the bottom half of the playoff picture
Speaker 3: the whole season. Even if all these struggles is right
Speaker 3: in front of you and I do have a bad
Speaker 3: feeling everything they do from here on out might be
Speaker 3: without Aaron Jones, who suffered an ugly looking knee injury.
Speaker 3: He was helped off the field then carted and it
Speaker 3: looked like something that's you know, the dreaded cart with
Speaker 3: the towel over the head.
Speaker 6: But with mattla Floor did say that he didn't think
Speaker 6: it was long term that he's in good spirits. We'll
Speaker 6: see what that means, but we're not gonna probably see
Speaker 6: him four or five days from now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we shall see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably asking a lot for Thanksgiving, and that would
Speaker 3: be great news if it's not a long term injury.
Speaker 2: If it is something that costs some time.
Speaker 3: AJ Dillon gets yet another chance to establish himself in
Speaker 3: that backfield. Let's move to Houston where, yes, like Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert and Joe Burrow, there's a young crop of quarterbacks
Speaker 3: that are the tomorrow of the league. No, nay, the today,
Speaker 3: the right now C J. Stroud looking to keep it going.
Speaker 2: Here's the game.
Speaker 1: Here comes the blitz.
Speaker 5: Fourth and eight at the Houston twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Murray and the gun.
Speaker 1: Murray throwing downfield to his left hand. They cut play,
Speaker 1: knocked the way. Steven Nelson and the Texans takeover on.
Speaker 11: Downs twenty one, sixteen day at the ball with thirty
Speaker 11: seconds to go.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, there was I don't know, man, it was
Speaker 2: a hard week.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was here this one. I was thinking maybe the
Speaker 2: Rams game.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Roberts, we're giving out bongos and beating
Speaker 3: the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it was a fun game.
Speaker 2: The text.
Speaker 1: The Texans were almost team of atm man.
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 5: I don't know's choice?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't care. It was a fun game. Where
Speaker 2: would you have gone this week?
Speaker 4: Oh he don't want to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill's jets. I don't want. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: do Bill jets to you, Dan, give it to me.
Speaker 5: No musical instruments in that event.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, I think if we're if you
Speaker 3: asked me so now I'll answer, I would have given.
Speaker 2: Them to the Packers.
Speaker 3: Really okay, getting back in the mix, Well you asked me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you win, semmy loosen. CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud threw for three hundred and thirty six yards with
Speaker 3: two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That was Mark Vandermire on the call. By the way,
Speaker 2: Kilt and the.
Speaker 3: Texans on a day where they weren't overly sharp, still
Speaker 3: do what they need to do to beat the Cardinals
Speaker 3: twenty one to sixteen. And Mark, greg excuse me, that
Speaker 3: was the call that we heard. Was once again the
Speaker 3: defense getting the big stop when it came down to
Speaker 3: it in a sign of, you know, the emerging idea
Speaker 3: that the Texans have some depth here to win games
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. That's a huge step
Speaker 3: in becoming a team.
Speaker 4: Right defense, Will Anderson Derek Stingley, their top five pick,
Speaker 4: their top three pick from a year ago makes a
Speaker 4: huge interception. Their offensive line is playing much better. And
Speaker 4: this game, while I get what you're saying with the bongos,
Speaker 4: it was about as crazy as humanly possible a game
Speaker 4: could be that had only seven points in the second half.
Speaker 4: It was just like turnover after turnover, fourth down stop
Speaker 4: after fourth down stop.
Speaker 1: Three times in.
Speaker 4: The fourth quarter, Kyler Murray had a chance to go
Speaker 4: maybe take the lead with the touchdown, and three times
Speaker 4: they came up short on fourth and short, so they
Speaker 4: had three straight turnovers on dons. One was just a
Speaker 4: total miss by Kyler. He had a couple throws today
Speaker 4: that were just off target, and so that sometimes happens
Speaker 4: when you returned from a torn acl You didn't really
Speaker 4: see it the first week. You saw it this week,
Speaker 4: just like fluttering balls. Maybe it was just weird. One
Speaker 4: came on a well time blitz. We heard that. That
Speaker 4: was the last play call. I think the Demico Ryans
Speaker 4: just one right there, and then one was on a
Speaker 4: bad route I thought by the receiver didn't make a
Speaker 4: good play. So it all happened, and they were only
Speaker 4: in this game because the Texans, who racked up three
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty three yards in the first half, just
Speaker 4: couldn't quite put as many points as they should have
Speaker 4: on the You mentioned Stroud with three interceptions, but other
Speaker 4: than those three interceptions, and one was on a drop mark,
Speaker 4: like he couldn't have possibly played any better. That's a
Speaker 4: big other then, But other than those two interceptions, he
Speaker 4: made some absolutely insane play.
Speaker 6: I just find him so watchable, like he's like a
Speaker 6: fringe MVP guy for me. I know that this game
Speaker 6: like this could you know, I get shadows some of
Speaker 6: that kind of voting, but I think it's incredible to
Speaker 6: see that a rookie quarterback because we're watching so many
Speaker 6: like second and third year quarterbacks still struggle and show
Speaker 6: inconsistency and a lack of growth, and then it's so
Speaker 6: frustrating to watch.
Speaker 5: But CJ.
Speaker 6: Stroud, like his relationship already with a fellow rookie in
Speaker 6: Tank Dell. I mean, there were some plays today where
Speaker 6: like their connection and their mind mild is already one
Speaker 6: of the best in the league. And it's like I
Speaker 6: forgive some of these turnovers because that I just would
Speaker 6: expect from a rookie, especially one that's throwing the ball
Speaker 6: as much as he is. And it's like the upside
Speaker 6: is just simply insane, and it's like send them right
Speaker 6: into the second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 5: That's how I view the text, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Stroud had three interceptions excuse me, two interceptions. Uh, he
Speaker 3: was throwing the ball into tight windows. Didn't it always
Speaker 3: work out? But you know what the guy believes. He
Speaker 3: finished with three Sunday excuse me, and he had two
Speaker 3: all season entering the game. After the game, he did
Speaker 3: not like sound like a young quarterback who's going to
Speaker 3: turn gun shy after making some mistakes.
Speaker 12: And man, Steph Curry, don't ever stop shooting. I'm gonna
Speaker 12: keep I'm keep laying to ride, you know. And I
Speaker 12: got a shame of my game. I definitely gotta be smarter,
Speaker 12: but I don't like, I don't know confidence is taken
Speaker 12: away from me. I'm gonna keep laying to fly.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's obviously what you want to hear from
Speaker 3: your quarterback unless he continues to have three interception games.
Speaker 2: But you obviously giving him a pass.
Speaker 3: Here Mark and that is also a famous Cesstag quote,
Speaker 3: ain't no shame to my game.
Speaker 2: I've heard you say that, Yeah you can.
Speaker 6: You can hear me saying that around the building. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know at any time of day. That's true.
Speaker 4: His his like throw at the end of the half,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure people have seen it. The forty yard
Speaker 4: touchdown Tank Dell was just it showed everything from these
Speaker 4: two players. It was just an insane route. I don't
Speaker 4: you know it was a triple move. I don't think
Speaker 4: the third move was play on. That was freestyle. But
Speaker 4: Dell is snapping off these routes in a way that
Speaker 4: I still have a feeling like as high as you think,
Speaker 4: like the ceiling is for Tank Dell, Like, I don't
Speaker 4: think people realize it's not high enough.
Speaker 1: He is as good as like.
Speaker 4: As any rookie that's come into the league this year
Speaker 4: in terms of his wide recet, Like, his routes are insane.
Speaker 4: The way he wins is insane, the way he wins
Speaker 4: on the outside he ends up with eight for one,
Speaker 4: forty nine and one, And because he's one hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty five pounds, I think people think it's like some
Speaker 4: sort of weird creation of the system. But no, it's
Speaker 4: like he is just getting wide open. I mean, Stroud
Speaker 4: was on pace at halftime for five hundred yards in
Speaker 4: this game, and a lot of them were like these,
Speaker 4: like third third reads where he's getting into tight windows.
Speaker 4: It was really really awesome to watch, even though they
Speaker 4: kind of blew it in the in the second half.
Speaker 4: And Kyler at least he's running well, like he didn't
Speaker 4: throw it great, but seven for fifty one on the ground,
Speaker 4: including a touchdown a forty yard run called back by penalty.
Speaker 1: Like he looked ready to go this sea two weeks
Speaker 1: in a row. Yep.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and then we will
Speaker 3: continue on. All right, we are back. Let's dive right
Speaker 3: back into the games. And it's time now for the
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Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Another game that went right down to the end, Rams Seahawks.
Speaker 2: The rivalry goes on from.
Speaker 11: The left hash fifty five yards, So decide Week eleven.
Speaker 2: Here's his kick, very right. It is no God, no God?
Speaker 2: Why rights?
Speaker 11: And the Rams celebrates a week eleven to three seventeen sixteen,
Speaker 11: and only three seconds left. The three game losing streak
Speaker 11: is over. The November losing streak. He's over.
Speaker 3: The great JB Long for Rams Radio with the call,
Speaker 3: and yes, it was Jason Myers who could not connect
Speaker 3: from fifty five yards out with three seconds to play
Speaker 3: and have allowed the Rams to escape with a seventeen
Speaker 3: to sixteen win over the Seahawks. And yes, like JB said,
Speaker 3: that's ended the losing streak for the Rams and it
Speaker 3: also keeps them live four and six in the NFC
Speaker 3: playoff picture. Greg let's start with the quarterbacks because Matthew
Speaker 3: Stafford he returned from an injury. He led the team
Speaker 3: on two scoring drives in the fourth quarter to complete
Speaker 3: a comeback. Gino leaves with an injury of his own
Speaker 3: and then comes back in a lot of drama down
Speaker 3: the stretch here.
Speaker 1: So much drama.
Speaker 4: Cooper Cupp also left this game early with an ankle injury,
Speaker 4: never returned. Ken Walker left with an oblique injury right
Speaker 4: off the bat, never returned, and that sounds like a
Speaker 4: multiple week injury the way Pete Carroll talked about it.
Speaker 4: But Gino missed two drives in the second half and
Speaker 4: it ended up being really crucial. And it was interesting
Speaker 4: because on the second of those two drives, he had
Speaker 4: his helmet on and he looked like he wanted to
Speaker 4: go in, but they decided at that point they're still winning,
Speaker 4: and I think the score was sixteen to seven or
Speaker 4: sixteen to fourteen at that point, and they went with
Speaker 4: a second drive for Lock, and he throws an interception
Speaker 4: on that drive. Even though Gino seemed like he was ready,
Speaker 4: he got hit in the elbow by a helmet and
Speaker 4: was able to play through it. Gets the ball back
Speaker 4: with one thirty one to go and no timeouts and
Speaker 4: gets them into field goal range. The problem was they
Speaker 4: could have been much closer. You kick a fifty five
Speaker 4: yard field goal at eight seconds left, it's not a
Speaker 4: bad job to get in that position. But they were
Speaker 4: in that position with thirty seconds to go, and they
Speaker 4: ended up handing the ball off for two yards and
Speaker 4: everyone including myself, is killing Pete Carroll. But Gino said
Speaker 4: after the game that that communication and his helmet went
Speaker 4: out and he thought he saw a look quickly and.
Speaker 1: And he he just was at.
Speaker 4: That point freestyling and making the calls and he called
Speaker 4: the running play there, so unfortunate timing for the headset
Speaker 4: to go out there, an unfortunate decision ultimately by Gino
Speaker 4: not to clock it there or throw a pass, because
Speaker 4: they could have gotten a lot closer than that fifty
Speaker 4: five yards.
Speaker 3: Can I just say Mark or or Gino messed up
Speaker 3: and then he made up the headset thing and and
Speaker 3: Greg bought into it.
Speaker 4: Hooklines, Well, that's him, that's him taking the blame. That's
Speaker 4: him taking the Because Pete Carroll, you know, the way
Speaker 4: he talked about it so obliquely, I'm like, what is
Speaker 4: he talking about here, Because he's like, well, that didn't
Speaker 4: go the way we wanted. He admitted it, but he
Speaker 4: he basically was trying to cover for what happened, and
Speaker 4: you know, just told them the truth. That was not
Speaker 4: covering himself. He's saying, I messed up. I should not
Speaker 4: have called a run there.
Speaker 6: Well, yes, I think to Dan's point, we just don't
Speaker 6: tech a lot, have like a z Repruiter film on
Speaker 6: what exactly happened on that effect.
Speaker 5: And that's fine.
Speaker 6: But the Seattle starts four and four on third downs
Speaker 6: and then goes one and eleven the rest of the game.
Speaker 5: They kind of, I think part of the story here.
Speaker 1: They're the worst third down team in the NFL. They
Speaker 1: have been all year.
Speaker 6: It's plagued them NonStop. And the Rams, who in two
Speaker 6: games have allowed three points to Seattle in the second half.
Speaker 6: I thought you kind of remind me of when we
Speaker 6: were in London and they came out against the Cardinals.
Speaker 6: The Rams, after very being able to do nothing on
Speaker 6: the ground, came out and kind of dominated and had
Speaker 6: a couple of drives where they just marched up and
Speaker 6: down the field running the ball. But they kind of
Speaker 6: let Seattle back into this by throwing that pass down.
Speaker 5: With it the Rams did.
Speaker 6: They let Seattle back in that choice to throw it
Speaker 6: and it gives Seattle to essentially the ball back with
Speaker 6: about a minute forty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were a lot of fascinating game management decisions.
Speaker 4: I think Pete Carroll really blew it at the end
Speaker 4: of the first half by not taking a time out,
Speaker 4: could have given his team when the Rams were going
Speaker 4: into score, some time to possibly respond. And like, that's
Speaker 4: just that's just how Pee Carroll works defensively, not being aggressive.
Speaker 4: But what you're referring to, Mark is the Rams y
Speaker 4: had the ball inside the ten after two really impressive
Speaker 4: drives where they ran it down the Seahawks' throats in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, to score those ten points and make
Speaker 4: this comeback, and they chose to pass instead of making
Speaker 4: those Seahawks burn their timeouts. In hindsight, I was with you,
Speaker 4: that was my first reaction. But in hindsight, you had
Speaker 4: to throw the ball to try to score a touchdown there,
Speaker 4: So I just I can't kill them. They tried to
Speaker 4: be aggressive going to Puka Nokua. They didn't execute it there.
Speaker 4: Either way, the Seahawks would have gotten the ball back,
Speaker 4: it just would have been with like fifty five seconds
Speaker 4: in no timeouts. It's it's such a collapse though, Dan,
Speaker 4: and this is one of those games if you're a
Speaker 4: Seahawks fan that feels like, oh my god, this game
Speaker 4: might ruin our season. Because at one point in the game,
Speaker 4: the Seahawks had thirty four offensive plays to the Rams
Speaker 4: nineteen yards, So they had two hundred and five yards
Speaker 4: on those forty five plays to nineteen yards. For three quarters,
Speaker 4: they absolutely looked like the better team, and they just
Speaker 4: didn't quite take advantage of enough. Gino gets hurt, and
Speaker 4: then the fourth quarter their run defense, which has been
Speaker 4: great all year, kind of gets mowed over by freaking
Speaker 4: Royce Freeman.
Speaker 1: It is a tough way to lose.
Speaker 2: Now, I can't Royce Freeman still in the league. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twelve penalties, Greg, Yeah, for one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty yards, the most penalties for any team this season,
Speaker 3: the most for Seattle since twenty and eighteen. And you're right,
Speaker 3: like you say that this might ruin our season. This
Speaker 3: is just one game. There's still a team with a
Speaker 3: winning record. In fact, six and four is pretty nice
Speaker 3: spot to be. But then you look at the schedule
Speaker 3: up ahead. They got the Niners on Thanksgiving Night, then
Speaker 3: they get the Niners again in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: and they also get the Cowboys and Eagles. This is
Speaker 3: a murderers roa stretch. So this is a win at home.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, there's a win on the road. You want
Speaker 3: to stick in your back pocket and then set up
Speaker 3: and say and hope, you know, maybe we could split
Speaker 3: those next four. Now you kind of have to find
Speaker 3: a way to win and then maybe three, or you're
Speaker 3: gonna find yourself in dangerous, dangerous spot late in the
Speaker 3: regular season.
Speaker 6: I would tend to think we probably will not trust
Speaker 6: Seattle after that rugged three game stretch.
Speaker 5: And I don't need a.
Speaker 4: Score game and it's the next four too, so you
Speaker 4: got to win one of those scours.
Speaker 5: Trust them.
Speaker 6: Coming out of this game, I do have a question,
Speaker 6: like if you're Geno Smith, like in terms of medically
Speaker 6: clearing Gino Smith, like you're out. He's got a big
Speaker 6: rap on his arm and shoulder. Yeah, and then it's
Speaker 6: like you're in. You're playing again. What happened over the
Speaker 6: course of five or six minutes that suddenly greenlit Gino Smith.
Speaker 6: We don't even know if he'll be able to play
Speaker 6: on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I I I think he just can't heat.
Speaker 4: What Pete Carroll said was Gino convinced them he could play,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure they're thinking twice because I think he
Speaker 4: was ready to go to the drive before and they
Speaker 4: decided to leave Locke in there. And Gino had a
Speaker 4: good game overall, two thirty three and a touchdown.
Speaker 1: You know, avoided the interception.
Speaker 4: He he made good decisions and throws it in the last drive,
Speaker 4: but the balls did kind of come out funny if
Speaker 4: you were looking at him. He had one weird sideline
Speaker 4: pass the metcalf and even the one over the middle,
Speaker 4: like they went in right direction. It got there, but
Speaker 4: they were a little wobbly, So I don't know if
Speaker 4: this elbow injury is going to be an issue. And
Speaker 4: one reason I don't I just don't believe in the
Speaker 4: Seahawks team right now because they just have too many
Speaker 4: things going wrong with them. Neither of these teams could
Speaker 4: protect Stafford and Gino were just bruised and battered.
Speaker 1: Both of them are running for their lives the whole game.
Speaker 2: I'm bummed about Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3: This is now back to back seasons where the injury
Speaker 3: bug is biting on him hard in that you know,
Speaker 3: we talked about the idea of getting Stafford back, and
Speaker 3: then you get the Big three with Nakua and Cup
Speaker 3: together and it just seems like it's starting to be
Speaker 3: one of those seasons for the Rams where you can't
Speaker 3: get your guys back together at the same time for
Speaker 3: any length of time. But otherwise, a very nice win
Speaker 3: for Sean McVay and company. It always, you know, it
Speaker 3: always means a little more in the NFC West.
Speaker 4: To get swept him by the way he owns Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4: There's something about this matchup. He swept them, and he's
Speaker 4: kind of killed him since Pete Carroll, especially in the
Speaker 4: second hand there are Ye.
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Speaker 3: so it wasn't you know, I'm in New York this
Speaker 3: weekend and you know, spending getting a lot of family
Speaker 3: time in It's very nice. At the last moment, I
Speaker 3: decided to bring my two boys as well, so they
Speaker 3: they've been bonding with their cousins and.
Speaker 2: Their uncles and aunts. It's been very nice.
Speaker 3: And to kind of keep it all in that headspace
Speaker 3: of where I grew up, I did draft the Giants
Speaker 3: Mark on Thursday show, So Poppy's not next to me
Speaker 3: sitting in the big brown chair drinking roop here cursing
Speaker 3: off Phil Simms. But still there was something nice about
Speaker 3: watching the Giants the Autumn Leaves and the Crisp November air,
Speaker 3: and they delivered a performance set reminded you of the
Speaker 3: old Giants on Sunday.
Speaker 9: Takes the snap back to throw, steps up under pressure,
Speaker 9: runs out of a sack, then loves it.
Speaker 13: And it's intercepting by Isaiah Sevens running down the love
Speaker 13: sideline twenty fifteen ten to five touchdown. Giants Isaiah Simmons
Speaker 13: with the pick six to enter with sixteen seconds to go,
Speaker 13: third interception by Howell, and the Giants take out the groom.
Speaker 5: They're sweeping Washington again.
Speaker 1: Get gone.
Speaker 2: Who I mean that's Bob Papa.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Lost season for the Giants.
Speaker 3: It's a nice I would maybe give the Giants of
Speaker 3: bongos for one night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think you know, when Tommy DeVito gets
Speaker 4: thirty one on you, you get some bongos.
Speaker 2: He got to veto throwing three touchdown passes.
Speaker 3: He got Isaiah Simmons pick six taken to the house
Speaker 3: one of six. Count them six commander's turnovers in a
Speaker 3: thirty one nineteen home loss to the last place New
Speaker 3: York Giants. Great line here, you know the old writing
Speaker 3: on deadline. You'll have those one sentenced grafts that hit hard.
Speaker 3: The ugly game got even smellier afterward when there was
Speaker 3: no hot water in the stadium for players to shower.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the.
Speaker 3: Most annoying thing. We can't even blame Daniel Snyder. Well,
Speaker 3: we kind of can still blame him.
Speaker 2: This is his old dilapidated building.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what a dark, dark game for the Commanders
Speaker 3: and I guess I'll just start with the Commanders, because
Speaker 3: they are a team that, at least entering Sunday, had
Speaker 3: some more relevance than the Giants.
Speaker 2: I think it's not just us, it's everyone.
Speaker 3: Every time we seem to get behind the idea of
Speaker 3: Sam Howell, he has an outrageously poor game, and this
Speaker 3: was an outrageously poor game. By how he didn't get
Speaker 3: a chance to watch this yet some of these interceptions
Speaker 3: he threw were just wretched, and he did not give
Speaker 3: his team a great opportunity to win this game. And
Speaker 3: I got a shout out mark Tommy DeVito because this
Speaker 3: guy who's become something of an internet meme at this point,
Speaker 3: and we talked about on an NFL Plus last week.
Speaker 3: Greg just having fun with the idea of the guy
Speaker 3: that has his mom making his bed and he's starting
Speaker 3: for the NFL. He played really well in this game,
Speaker 3: lighting up Washington's defense despite taking a beating. He got
Speaker 3: sacked five times in the first quarter in this game,
Speaker 3: but hung tough, much tougher than his counter counterpart in
Speaker 3: New York, Zach Wilson. And this was a nice win
Speaker 3: for the Giants and a good look for Brian Dable
Speaker 3: quite frankly, whose team in a lost year was playing
Speaker 3: very hard throughout.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because de Veto looked completely utterly lost at sea
Speaker 6: when we first saw him. And this is a short
Speaker 6: amount of time to get someone who's not a high
Speaker 6: draft picked on any level ready, and that's kind of
Speaker 6: what dables special sauce was meant to be.
Speaker 5: So I think it's a win for him.
Speaker 6: If you're Ron Rivera, you were kind of hitching your
Speaker 6: wagon to the fact that you stood by Sam how
Speaker 6: and no one really believed or necessarily thought that was
Speaker 6: the smartest thing to do.
Speaker 5: Howell has been I thought, really watchable.
Speaker 6: He had been keeping the turnovers down prior to this week,
Speaker 6: and even the like six nine sack games had disappeared.
Speaker 5: But this kind of sounds like that Buffalo wipeout.
Speaker 6: And if you get that version of him, that's wild
Speaker 6: because like you have to go back to nineteen eighty
Speaker 6: four when a Washington team that sacked a quarterback nine
Speaker 6: or any team sacked a quarterback nine plus times and
Speaker 6: still lost by double digits.
Speaker 5: It's like, if you're on Rivera, your.
Speaker 6: Calling card is no matter what, our defense is gonna
Speaker 6: cause a problem for the opposing quarterback and it's like
Speaker 6: you didn't do any of that today.
Speaker 4: Well no, I mean, and it has an all season,
Speaker 4: which is why we don't need to belabor it. Rivera
Speaker 4: is the one coach out there that, like, we know
Speaker 4: he's not making it. He's ann next season. I guess,
Speaker 4: I guess you could create a scenario where they win
Speaker 4: out like then maybe he would have a chance. But
Speaker 4: borring that, it's a tough spot. And it's because his
Speaker 4: defense has been so bad. And how about DeVito dimes
Speaker 4: out there? He now has six touchdowns. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: I don't even need to check. That's gotta be more
Speaker 4: than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: Has this year.
Speaker 4: It is, It's definitely more than Kenny Pickett has this year. Uh,
Speaker 4: de Vito, it's happening in Sequon we talked about Saquon
Speaker 4: has been running his ass of one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: yards from scrimmage in two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Nice job by Saquon.
Speaker 3: Hey, Eric Roberts, you know it's not too late. We
Speaker 3: can give Tommy de Vido some bongos on a Sunday night.
Speaker 6: It might be his last chance, all right, I mean
Speaker 6: I'm down if you guys are like an unshowered deviat.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that we could do it in the
Speaker 4: middle of the game.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, hey, you know what really?
Speaker 3: You know, when he after he threw his first touchdown
Speaker 3: through two touchdowns to Barkley, he went sprinting down the
Speaker 3: field doing that, you know, like the Italian dude thing.
Speaker 2: We're like holding the fingers up like he is.
Speaker 3: There's there's a level of self awareness Greg that I
Speaker 3: was not expecting from a guy that said his all
Speaker 3: time dinner features Elon Musk, who else was it?
Speaker 4: Floyd Mayweather and Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, there was a little more depth of character
Speaker 3: or a sense of humor than I was expecting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of creeps and maybe another creep. Okay,
Speaker 4: selling your own plank.
Speaker 2: No, But honestly, he played very well. He really did.
Speaker 3: And and I'm not saying he's the future of the position,
Speaker 3: but he's really helping out Dable here because this could
Speaker 3: have this could have really degenerated into an all time
Speaker 3: humiliation season that would put Dable in trouble. But now
Speaker 3: I'm starting to think they're going to be able to
Speaker 3: kind of get to the finish line with Dignity Attack
Speaker 3: because I think he's good enough.
Speaker 2: Like with the old trope Gregory, we talked about it
Speaker 2: last week.
Speaker 3: You know what, with this game, he's going to be
Speaker 3: around for ten years as a backup.
Speaker 2: You know, he bought a whole career.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, sure, but I bet but right now,
Speaker 3: but for one for one day, he really did play
Speaker 3: well and good for him. And uh and and I'll
Speaker 3: give a shout out Mark.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a check. Chance to check his final line.
Speaker 3: But every time I do a Giants game on Sundays,
Speaker 3: Cavon Thibodau's making plays and he really is having a
Speaker 3: nice year or two with the Giants. He's absolutely made
Speaker 3: the leap, and I think they have a guy going
Speaker 3: forward that can anchor that that line.
Speaker 6: Yeah, two sacks, two tackles for loss, Like he seems
Speaker 6: to be the guy that shows up regularly. And this defense,
Speaker 6: I mean, I know, like they've had a couple of
Speaker 6: sneaky good games. I look back on the Bills when
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, I'm not sure what to make
Speaker 6: of that one because of what's happened in Buffalo. But no,
Speaker 6: this isn't great anything you can cling to if you're
Speaker 6: Brian's able.
Speaker 1: This is great. They now passed the Patriots in Tankathon.
Speaker 4: The tank the Patriots are into that top three here,
Speaker 4: and we got a big Patriots Giants Tankathon matchup next week.
Speaker 4: Well you should pick We need that quarterback to Vito. Yeah,
Speaker 4: save your job, get out of they watch.
Speaker 2: Look, we haven't heard that a lot either.
Speaker 3: And I was watching the games with Keith Hansas for
Speaker 3: the first time, like on a football Sunday in fourteen years.
Speaker 3: Wo And you know, he's a little rusty on like
Speaker 3: you know, who to be rooting for and against. It's
Speaker 3: good that I was there to help him because he
Speaker 3: likes Herbert a lot.
Speaker 2: So he's rooting for the Chargers.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Dad, because I have these two games
Speaker 3: on as like, Dad, actually the Chargers have the tiebreaker
Speaker 3: on the Jets and they have a similar record, so
Speaker 3: we've got to be against the Chargers.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, oh, those Giants, those dogs.
Speaker 3: My dad hates the Giants more than anyone hates anything
Speaker 3: in the world. And I was like that the Giants
Speaker 3: win this game, it actually gives them a worst draft
Speaker 3: pick and they fall out of contention for one of
Speaker 3: these big college prospects. He's like, all right, Danny, So
Speaker 3: it was good to have, like have that dynamic back
Speaker 3: and forth.
Speaker 2: I've missed it.
Speaker 5: You're a man of reason.
Speaker 2: Oh you're right, Danny. All right, let's move on and
Speaker 2: uh yeah.
Speaker 3: Check in with the other team that plays in the Meadowlands,
Speaker 3: who traveled up to Orchard Park to face a Bills
Speaker 3: team that needed a win in the worst way, and
Speaker 3: they got it.
Speaker 4: Bobby, Bobby Alan making a check Bobby Wagner back to
Speaker 4: the shotgun.
Speaker 6: He goes, here's the snap, pre man Rush Jets drop
Speaker 6: an eight and the passes complete to Shakir gets away
Speaker 6: for the tag un to the.
Speaker 5: Corty thirty five thirty.
Speaker 3: Doubles back to the twin still loose piece, going all
Speaker 3: the way for the touchdown.
Speaker 13: Eighty one yards to paydirt Khalil ship here.
Speaker 2: Wow, Chris Brown with the call, WGR.
Speaker 3: I think that's a fitting call for this game, which
Speaker 3: was a very one sided affair thirty two to six
Speaker 3: in favor of the Bills over the fading Jets. And
Speaker 3: it was Sauce Gardner that got beat in coverage by
Speaker 3: Shakiir on that beautiful throw by Josh Allen and then
Speaker 3: a Gardener sprints down the field, uses his ketchup speed
Speaker 3: and then is unable to bring it down. Shakira in
Speaker 3: around the twenty or so and he goes in. And
Speaker 3: this was kind of the game where the dam finally
Speaker 3: broke for a Jets defense that had been carrying this
Speaker 3: team all season, and after another disgraceful effort by the offense,
Speaker 3: it was the defense that also caved.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen led the way.
Speaker 3: A very strong effort from Allen with his new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: and a Buffalo team that scored points on six of
Speaker 3: its first eight possessions gets back above five hundred. And also,
Speaker 3: I think importantly Mark has a win that they can
Speaker 3: kind of feel good about. And you could kind of
Speaker 3: sense that with some of the it was an endless game,
Speaker 3: the game would not end it Maybe.
Speaker 2: I have to check.
Speaker 3: It might be the longest four quarter game of the season,
Speaker 3: and considering it was so one sided, it felt terminal
Speaker 3: at least for interminable for this Jets fan. But there
Speaker 3: was some swagger in this game and some chess pump pumping,
Speaker 3: and this idea that the Bills, who have been struggling
Speaker 3: to really find their swagger. This is the type of
Speaker 3: game against the Jet team that's fading but still where
Speaker 3: you can find yourself a little bit and build off it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a legitimate stink on Buffalo all week
Speaker 6: leading up to this game, so it take I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't recall at any moment Sean McDermott being widely
Speaker 6: criticized by so many different people for so many different reasons,
Speaker 6: and you just felt like the bow could break down,
Speaker 6: will come baby and cradle and all and all that business.
Speaker 5: But this kind of stops all that. And yet I'm.
Speaker 6: Not sure totally what to take from it, because you're
Speaker 6: watching a non functional offense and it's like, I kind
Speaker 6: of felt like a game when they took away the
Speaker 6: opening kick return, the Bills and the Jets were suddenly
Speaker 6: a sitting duck. And out comes the offense in twenty
Speaker 6: minutes into this affair, they have zero yards. Obviously, zero
Speaker 6: yards per play. That is pretty unusual. We've seen some
Speaker 6: weird games this year, but you're watching a non functional offense,
Speaker 6: and I think that that weight of that and probably
Speaker 6: what is a fractured locker room at some point, to
Speaker 6: some degree, what can you do as a defense. The
Speaker 6: Bills start to make plays and It's like there are
Speaker 6: a couple teams out there where they're leaning hard on
Speaker 6: their great defense and really problematic offense and you're gonna
Speaker 6: get these things. And it's like the four and six
Speaker 6: Jets right now, there's got to be a lot of
Speaker 6: division inside that locker room.
Speaker 3: They're cooked. I mean I would stick a fork in them.
Speaker 3: But I'm emotional right now because they're my team.
Speaker 1: And it's a tough game Friday Field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got their on Black Friday, and but they're
Speaker 3: getting They're going there.
Speaker 2: They're playing the Dolphins. It's at the metal ends.
Speaker 3: But their confidence is at an all time low as
Speaker 3: a team. I could tell you that for sure just
Speaker 3: by watching them. And they finally benched Zach Wilson in
Speaker 3: the third quarter. I mean, this is a game that
Speaker 3: it's all there again, and it's so frustrating that we're
Speaker 3: back here where the Jets are the butt of jokes.
Speaker 3: But this is just what seems to happen when you
Speaker 3: tie your wagon to a team like this. Like Wilson
Speaker 3: at one point, coming off the sideline coming back from
Speaker 3: break is backpedaling. I guess what he's kind of communicating
Speaker 3: with the coach and he falls over, he trips on
Speaker 3: his own feet and falls to the ground, and I
Speaker 3: looked over to my brother and I said, you know,
Speaker 3: he's throwing an interception now, because this is the jet thing,
Speaker 3: and not only is that gonna happen. And sure enough,
Speaker 3: three plays later, he throws the interception that more or
Speaker 3: less puts the game to bed. They finally put in
Speaker 3: Tim Boyle, and obviously he doesn't do much either. They
Speaker 3: scored six points one touchdown in the first half. But
Speaker 3: this is a team that is getting everything they deserve
Speaker 3: now because it's all exposed all the things that they
Speaker 3: were skating by on with all those crazy wins, and
Speaker 3: they were ignoring the real problems with this offense and
Speaker 3: refusing to make real changes, and this was all coming
Speaker 3: and building to this point in these last few weeks
Speaker 3: during this losing streak, I think everyone has been exposed,
Speaker 3: from Joe Douglas on down for making a terrible mess
Speaker 3: out of what could have still been a fun, exciting season,
Speaker 3: even after the Aaron Rodgers injury. So they deserve everything
Speaker 3: they're getting right now. With the with the quarterback play,
Speaker 3: the fact that Nathaniel Hackett has a free pass on
Speaker 3: this team is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 2: But you know exactly why he has a free.
Speaker 4: He's the one guy.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the change. He's the guy changes.
Speaker 4: Changed it, but it didn't make any difference.
Speaker 3: Here are the big changes that I noticed in this game.
Speaker 3: You put the overmatched offensive coordinator in a booth. You
Speaker 3: cut the third string running back in this game. I
Speaker 3: didn't see much else. And they're trying to pull the
Speaker 3: wool over the eyes of the fan base and acting
Speaker 3: like they're trying to really make changes, but the truth
Speaker 3: is they're not doing anything.
Speaker 2: And this is what happens. And if I'm Aaron.
Speaker 3: Rodgers, who supposedly reportedly was targeting a Christmas Eve return, no, bro,
Speaker 3: You've got a terrible offensive line that got further weekend
Speaker 3: by Makai Becton's ankle injury today. And I think it's
Speaker 3: just a matter of time now before this whole locker
Speaker 3: room breaks because they already had a players meeting players
Speaker 3: only meeting heading into this game, and now they're going
Speaker 3: to face a Miami team in prime in a game
Speaker 3: at an Island game, it is gonna be potentially a
Speaker 3: grizzly scene at the Metal Lens. And again, like these
Speaker 3: are games that Jets fans are supposed to be looking
Speaker 3: forward to all these spotlight games and now there's a
Speaker 3: sense of dread around them, and it just sucks. They
Speaker 3: let the fan base down with their decision making and
Speaker 3: it's really tough to swallow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're third loan touchdown was their first and forty
Speaker 6: one drives, I believe, and I think you're you're hamstrung
Speaker 6: because you have a super empowered quarterback and you knew
Speaker 6: what came along with that, but he's tied at the
Speaker 6: hip to an offensive coordinator and at Daniel Hackett that
Speaker 6: is arguably and maybe overtly having an even worse campaign
Speaker 6: than a year ago. And that was one of the
Speaker 6: worst head coaching stints we've ever seen. So it's like,
Speaker 6: you could have made changes here, like the but for instance,
Speaker 6: Bill's at least went out and got someone like Roseull Douglas,
Speaker 6: who had three takeaways today. It's like, you know, go
Speaker 6: and try to change the situation, and the Jets did
Speaker 6: nothing and stuck with a non functional quarterback who somehow
Speaker 6: is playing less adequately than a Giants quarterback that no
Speaker 6: one had heard of, you know, a fortnight ago. It's
Speaker 6: just like it couldn't get any mess year, And if
Speaker 6: you don't have the guts to switch quarterbacks or go
Speaker 6: and get one, it's all on you and the floor
Speaker 6: falls out and they have no one to blame but themselves.
Speaker 4: Well, Zach Wilson, And you know, the thing that is
Speaker 4: similar between this year and last year is not the
Speaker 4: play card.
Speaker 1: It's Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4: And like Mike, I have a feeling Mike Lafleur could
Speaker 4: coach some offense had a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's the quarterback, it's the offensive line.
Speaker 4: Rodgers, ultimately the choice is gonna be made for him,
Speaker 4: like if they have eight once they have eight or
Speaker 4: nine losses, he's.
Speaker 1: Not coming back anyway.
Speaker 4: So if they get to that point and the Bills
Speaker 4: have I think they're at Philly next week before a
Speaker 4: late bye, but it's now they could even if they
Speaker 4: lose that game. I look at this AFC and I
Speaker 4: know the point differential. Thing's crazy. They're now like plus
Speaker 4: one hundred for the year, which is just nuts. You
Speaker 4: know all their offensive statsic. I actually think Josh Allen
Speaker 4: is having a good season. I know it's wrapped around
Speaker 4: a couple like clunky, turnover prone games, I really do.
Speaker 4: If you take out like those two games, I think
Speaker 4: he's been a total top five.
Speaker 1: Quarterback, if not better.
Speaker 4: And you could say that basically about any quarterback this year,
Speaker 4: if you could pick out one or two bags. My
Speaker 4: point is they're running the ball well. You get a
Speaker 4: big day out of Leonard Floyd and Ed Oliver. I
Speaker 4: know it's against the Jets, but ed Oliver's playing with
Speaker 4: his hair on fire lately, and you've been running it better,
Speaker 4: and you have Alan. I think they are still a
Speaker 4: playoff team even if they go six and six, and
Speaker 4: I know that the schedule's tough.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to like though. I'm not
Speaker 1: giving up on the Bills. Is my point.
Speaker 3: Well, you shouldn't give up on the Bills, but let's
Speaker 3: not go around the knack like Josh Allen is a
Speaker 3: couple of bad throws away from having a good year.
Speaker 3: You look, I mean, you had the first Jet game,
Speaker 3: you have the Giant game, you have the Denver game.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at multiple weeks where they scored less than
Speaker 3: twenty points.
Speaker 4: Yes, on a down to down like play to play basis,
Speaker 4: I think he's not been much different than he always is.
Speaker 4: He is a quarterback that matters that is playing reasonably well.
Speaker 1: I think they have a chances off I.
Speaker 6: Would say globally though, like what they are is an
Speaker 6: offense like today is not a measuring stick of that
Speaker 6: like they seem.
Speaker 1: I think it is. People love to say like and
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: The defense caved in eventually, but it's also the same
Speaker 4: defense that's totally stopped the Bills in games before when
Speaker 4: their offense wasn't doing anything. So you can't have it
Speaker 4: both ways. You got to give them some credit for
Speaker 4: being able to move the ball today.
Speaker 1: It's a nice day for.
Speaker 6: Them lost cause, but there's definitely issues with the Bills
Speaker 6: in general, and I think three weeks from now we'll see.
Speaker 6: But it's like date, go out and show us that
Speaker 6: you're a good team against a different team against the Jets.
Speaker 6: Like Josh Allen has a ton of touchdowns and I'm
Speaker 6: not saying he's like a major issue, but this isn't
Speaker 6: the same version I think of Josh Allen that we
Speaker 6: got it's certain heights in the last two seasons.
Speaker 3: I think the point is great because I nobody would
Speaker 3: argue that Allen hasn't had moments of this season and
Speaker 3: stretches where he looked as good as ever. I think
Speaker 3: he has the ability, he has the natural ability and
Speaker 3: the players around him to be the best quarterback in
Speaker 3: the league for the rest of the season. But this
Speaker 3: year has been marked by inconsistencies on their offense. So
Speaker 3: I think we've gotten but we've gotten sucked in before
Speaker 3: Greg by the Bills this year where it felt like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this team is on track and then they lay an egg.
Speaker 2: I guess I just need to see a real.
Speaker 3: Extended stretch here where he's not shooting himself in the
Speaker 3: foot and they're not putting the ball on the ground.
Speaker 3: And maybe the scheme alteration with the new OC makes
Speaker 3: a big difference. And maybe Allen who kind of got
Speaker 3: his offensive coordinator fired, Greg, like maybe that was the
Speaker 3: way you call he needs in some level, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to like paint like a rosy
Speaker 3: picture of a guy that I think he got Lombardi.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I think he got Dorsey run out of
Speaker 3: town with his sloppy play this year.
Speaker 4: I just I just think people go so far in
Speaker 4: one direction or the other.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't think these stats like paint the total picture,
Speaker 4: but I also kind of get it that, like his
Speaker 4: EPA per play is a career high, he's second in
Speaker 4: the league to a Purty, He's top five in QBR.
Speaker 4: He usually doesn't rank that high. Completion percentage over expected,
Speaker 4: these are down to down things. They're actually at or
Speaker 4: above his career high. Now, no one's saying he's having
Speaker 4: his best season, but I think he's having a better
Speaker 4: season than people recognize. And there's a decent chance, because
Speaker 4: he's often been pretty up and out, there's a decent
Speaker 4: chance he gets on a heater down this stot.
Speaker 6: I just don't think anyone's walking around saying that he
Speaker 6: is some sort of a disaster either.
Speaker 5: People aren't saying that, no one.
Speaker 4: I feel like all of last week was spent on
Speaker 4: like what a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think part of it is, like to what Dan
Speaker 6: just said that, like, did are you the reason your
Speaker 6: OC just got canned? When all those stats are true
Speaker 6: about what the OC produced as well, A lot of
Speaker 6: those are from their highs.
Speaker 4: I think the OC got caned because Don mcdermom didn't
Speaker 4: like him.
Speaker 1: That's my that's my room.
Speaker 4: They can't be best pals, well you mean like personally, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean just that they didn't like working together.
Speaker 2: I mean when you got there, Greg, not a little stupid.
Speaker 4: Nothing other than like no one with that sort of
Speaker 4: track record and production. Ever it gets fired in the
Speaker 4: middle of season. I mean he clearly didn't want to
Speaker 4: work with him anymore.
Speaker 1: He got rid of him. You gown, well, you.
Speaker 6: Keep firing people until you're next in line, exactly.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think that's a team under an extreme amount of
Speaker 3: pressure to get this thing figured out, and I think
Speaker 3: that hurt Dorsey as well, like the amount of pressure
Speaker 3: on them to not let this season go down in
Speaker 3: infinity infinity for Buffalo fans.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: By the way, safety Tailer Rafts.
Speaker 3: To stained a neck injury, came off the field in
Speaker 3: an ambulance, a scary scene, but it looked like he
Speaker 3: had feeling like in his extremities, so that that's good.
Speaker 2: But they also lost.
Speaker 3: Dan Jackson and Toron Johnson to head injuries, so they
Speaker 3: they've been they've been a bit hard. It's not just
Speaker 3: the offense with the turnovers. They've had a ton of
Speaker 3: injuries this year and they and now they get the
Speaker 3: Eagles coming up, and that's gonna be potentially a fun
Speaker 3: little shootout all right, good, good, good.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So a little like I said at the top of
Speaker 3: the show, a little bit of a different week. I'm
Speaker 3: back east, so with my family on the other side
Speaker 3: of the store, I am going to We're gonna take
Speaker 3: a break here, and then when we get back, it
Speaker 3: will be Nick Shook tagging.
Speaker 2: I'm tagging in. Man. Imagine Nick Shook as your tag
Speaker 2: team partner.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you play different roles.
Speaker 6: That would be you'd be the guy with like the
Speaker 6: dust and the little thing that you scored in someone's face.
Speaker 3: Well, wait, that's the valet. Let's give me a little
Speaker 3: more credit than that. But he's definitely the guy that, like,
Speaker 3: I just gotta like not get pinned. And if I
Speaker 3: could just get to that corner where Shook is at
Speaker 3: the turnbuckle and slap his hand, He's gonna hulk up
Speaker 3: and just clean house.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm gonna do at this break.
Speaker 3: And I will see you guys tomorrow night for the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl rematch recap of Monday night football. Let's take
Speaker 3: a break and then Shook will join us.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back.
Speaker 4: Let's head where we always head when Nick Schuck is
Speaker 4: coming on the show.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Cleveland.
Speaker 9: Twenty four yard line is where they spotted thirty four
Speaker 9: yard field Goala tap, five seconds to go. Here we go.
Speaker 9: She look ready to put the ball, back step to it,
Speaker 9: back ball down.
Speaker 14: Hopkins in with flag down, kick us up and the
Speaker 14: kick is good. We're two seconds left. There's a flag down.
Speaker 14: It looks like the Snailers were offside. Two seconds left
Speaker 14: and Dustin the Hopkins puts the Brown toad.
Speaker 5: Thirteen to ten offside.
Speaker 4: You bet indeed, Jim Donovan back in the house. That's
Speaker 4: great to hear. Longtime Browns play by playban is healthy
Speaker 4: again for w k r K. Dustin Hopkins. He's been
Speaker 4: a difference maker all season. Fitting he gets the field
Speaker 4: goal in a thirteen to ten Brown's victory over the Steelers.
Speaker 4: If you're watching on YouTube, you can see Dorian Thompson
Speaker 4: Robinson overcome by emotion. He says he's a winning starter
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Also overcome by emotion. Nick Shook and
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler because they're both Browns fans, even if they
Speaker 4: don't want to honk about it. This had to be satisfying, Nick,
Speaker 4: beating the Steelers with your backup quarterback.
Speaker 15: Oh I mean, it was.
Speaker 7: It was an ugly game, but you know, you take
Speaker 7: the wins, Harvey can if you're the Browns, the slap
Speaker 7: walk through the third quarter and then most of the
Speaker 7: fourth quarter, and then found it when they needed it most,
Speaker 7: and they turned the rookie who was able to complete
Speaker 7: a few passes, get them in range and pull off
Speaker 7: a drive that you desperately needed to kick a field
Speaker 7: goal that I was certain was not going to happen
Speaker 7: in this game. And sometimes the spice of life is surprises,
Speaker 7: and it was today.
Speaker 6: I mean, for the first time ever, the Browns have
Speaker 6: beaten the Ravens and Steelers and back to back contests.
Speaker 6: If you go back through time, so many of these
Speaker 6: games would end so differently because you have issues at
Speaker 6: the field goal pick kicking position, You've lost your starting quarterback,
Speaker 6: you've lost the center of your offense, your star running back,
Speaker 6: and countless you've got issues at the tackle position, and
Speaker 6: you're facing the Steelers defense that is even with your
Speaker 6: starting tackles reak tavoc for a decade plus. So a
Speaker 6: lot was going on wrong for the Browns going into
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 5: And it was ugly.
Speaker 6: But it's ugly, I thought, because You've got something truly special,
Speaker 6: and it is a beautiful defense, and it is really
Speaker 6: rewarding to see Miles Garrett, who's been surrounded by very
Speaker 6: little his entire career, making game changing place. I gotta
Speaker 6: ask you, Nick, like that, I thought that was a
Speaker 6: safety out of the gate when Miles Garrett comes to
Speaker 6: tearing up the belly and blows up picket and it's
Speaker 6: it like the camera says, we'll see it to Pennstreet
Speaker 6: where the rep solid.
Speaker 5: But Jean Sarahtor said, you should have challenged that.
Speaker 1: You gotta challenge a potential scoring place.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it was a really bad day of challenges for
Speaker 7: the Browns because they didn't challenge that, and on that
Speaker 7: sideline angle, you could see the balls clearly over the
Speaker 7: goal line. The entire football has to be out of
Speaker 7: the goal line for it to not be a safety.
Speaker 7: We're not gonna split hairs with the rules here, but
Speaker 7: it should have been challenged. Then they go challenge the
Speaker 7: Jerome Ford touchdown, which they somehow get overturned and turned
Speaker 7: into a touchdown because it wasn't initially ruled as a
Speaker 7: touchdown even though there's really no conclusive evidence. I feel
Speaker 7: like that was a makeup review there, and then they
Speaker 7: went and challenged another play in the second half that
Speaker 7: was just a terrible challenge, like it was just swings
Speaker 7: and misses, and they lucked out on the one that
Speaker 7: went their way. I wonder who is in the booth
Speaker 7: making these decisions for them, because they need to be replaced.
Speaker 4: That is something we can investigate. I think you're right
Speaker 4: Mark to bring up Garrett right away, because it's hard
Speaker 4: not to think about TJ. Watt, Miles Garrett, and you
Speaker 4: know TJ. Watt had a couple quarterback hits in a
Speaker 4: sack in this game. But when it comes down to
Speaker 4: it in the fourth quarter in a huge spot where
Speaker 4: Steelers I think they had the ball in great field position,
Speaker 4: they got over the fifty yard line, I believe before
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett puts them back with a big time sack
Speaker 4: in that moment. He just keeps stacking those moments this year.
Speaker 4: It is pretty special. It is crazy. They are seven
Speaker 4: and three. They're seven and three.
Speaker 6: No, I mean, they're winning games in ways they would
Speaker 6: have lost them in the past, and I think that
Speaker 6: there is a difference here. If you watch Kevin Stefanski's
Speaker 6: postgame locker room speech, to the team I think is
Speaker 6: even kealed nature through all sorts of stuff that's happened
Speaker 6: affects them. I think there's a Browns team that leaves
Speaker 6: in each other in a way that you typically would
Speaker 6: look at the Steelers and say, that's how they feel
Speaker 6: about each other. And meanwhile, all this chaos could have
Speaker 6: caused disunity, and I've seen the opposite, and it's stories
Speaker 6: of people like Dave and Nadjoku who like keeps showing
Speaker 6: up in big moments. And it's the fact that you've
Speaker 6: had three different quarterbacks and even your starter.
Speaker 1: Fifteen targets for Dadoku today.
Speaker 6: Really, I mean, I think in other years he says inconsistent,
Speaker 6: He's still gonna give you the drops. But it's like
Speaker 6: you made out you made a pinpoint passes coming at
Speaker 6: you in some of these situations this season, but certain
Speaker 6: guys have stepped up, and I just think it's kind
Speaker 6: of a season altering win back to back to beat
Speaker 6: the Ravens and Steelers. I think it means a lot
Speaker 6: to a Browns franchise that like has not been able
Speaker 6: to do that consistently in twenty years.
Speaker 15: There's something weird around this team right now, and it's built.
Speaker 7: You know, it's centered on their defense, because you know
Speaker 7: when you have a good defense, it's gonna give you
Speaker 7: a chance in every game. But there's like a sense
Speaker 7: of belief and it's like cautious optimism within the fan base,
Speaker 7: whereas this team's just going out there and trying to
Speaker 7: prove every week believe in us, believe in us. And
Speaker 7: they stack a couple couple of wins that are coming
Speaker 7: wildly different fashion with different quarterbacks who have massively different
Speaker 7: stat lines, and yet the one true reliable factor is
Speaker 7: that defense. And I don't know if we're in that
Speaker 7: era anymore in which a defense can win new championships,
Speaker 7: like I don't know if the Ravens and Trent dilferd
Speaker 7: win a championship in this era. But you are looking
Speaker 7: for a unit that's going to come about as close
Speaker 7: as possible to getting you there. This is the defense
Speaker 7: this year that's been that so far. It's the only
Speaker 7: thing they've been able to count on in most of
Speaker 7: their games. And even today, I felt like Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 7: coached very passively in the third quarter, and I thought
Speaker 7: he's done a really good job in the last month.
Speaker 7: But today there was a stretch where they just were
Speaker 7: so conservative and so predictable offensively, and they had two
Speaker 7: times where they had the ball in Pittsburgh territory, started
Speaker 7: drive and they did absolutely nothing with it, took no
Speaker 7: time off the clock, clinging to a three point lead.
Speaker 7: And I'm sitting there watching this, going the Browns are
Speaker 7: going to lose this game. They are coaching not to
Speaker 7: lose instead of coaching to win right now, and it's
Speaker 7: gonna happen.
Speaker 15: And yet every time the defense bailed them out.
Speaker 7: And just like you said, that sack, that Miles Garrett
Speaker 7: sack that took them out of field goal range late,
Speaker 7: that's the defense coming through.
Speaker 15: Yet again, that's what gave them the opportunity here.
Speaker 7: And I want to be like sitting back and think, oh,
Speaker 7: eventually it's gonna falter. And it's broken down a couple
Speaker 7: times in the past, but it is more reliable and consistently.
Speaker 7: I fully believe that they'll have a shot in every
Speaker 7: game from here on out.
Speaker 6: Yet I think some of the passive coaching came on
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh's offensive side. Where can you Pickett said afterwards that
Speaker 6: you know they were expecting Cleveland out to come out
Speaker 6: and play man from wire to wire and they switched
Speaker 6: that up.
Speaker 5: They confused them.
Speaker 6: This is a division opponent, and he said, we've got
Speaker 6: to adjust better. And then Naji Harris, we know that
Speaker 6: he's been upset with a few things. You got Jayleen
Speaker 6: Warren going off for a big touchdown. But Naji Harris,
Speaker 6: I think was another crack in the armor about what's
Speaker 6: going on with this offensive coaching staff.
Speaker 5: Let's listen to it.
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of stuff that just goes around.
Speaker 7: It's just.
Speaker 2: It's just that you guys don't see as I say.
Speaker 7: It's just true.
Speaker 2: I'm miss at a point where it.
Speaker 7: Was just like, I'm just tired of it.
Speaker 4: Let's let's hear some more, because that, especially from Najia Harris,
Speaker 4: was pretty telling, knowing that they're six and four or
Speaker 4: but that they've once again been out gained.
Speaker 1: Wait where are they outgain?
Speaker 4: We kept it going, Yes, two fifty nine to two
Speaker 4: forty nine. They they kept the streak going. Let's hear
Speaker 4: him talk about that this record might be fools gold Meeks.
Speaker 2: The two things. You can look at the record and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: well we're still.
Speaker 3: Good right now.
Speaker 12: We can look at the record and.
Speaker 14: We like, you know, if we keep playing this type
Speaker 14: of football, how long is that last?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I look at it, like, how long does it last?
Speaker 4: Mandalkamhad like I said, good record players, I missed the NFL.
Speaker 2: You know it's winning, Like, how we did it?
Speaker 4: Chiphold, It's not gonna get us nowhere? Wow, that's selling
Speaker 4: to me because that Naja Harris is kind of known
Speaker 4: for being a leader. I think it's one of the
Speaker 4: reasons why he was drafted so early. Like he is
Speaker 4: that dude that has a sense of the locker room
Speaker 4: and wants to lead by example. So for him to
Speaker 4: be saying that, he's probably not too happy either. He had,
Speaker 4: you know, thirty five yards on twelve carries. Jalen Warren
Speaker 4: was basically their entire offense, and Kenny Picket has one
Speaker 4: hundred and six yards and twenty eight attempts. Ben Solak
Speaker 4: of The Ringer sent out this cut up of every
Speaker 4: pass he threw beyond the line of scrimmage today, and
Speaker 4: it's first of all, it's only forty three seconds long.
Speaker 4: Second of all, I only count I think there's only
Speaker 4: two completions. I'm not sure they don't have a passing attack.
Speaker 4: And we got to move on from this game soon, Mark,
Speaker 4: But when he was getting tested for potential concussion, I
Speaker 4: know you thought maybe he was playing despite a concussion.
Speaker 4: Like I was thinking, Trubisky's gonna give them a better
Speaker 4: If I'm rooting for the Browns, and I was today
Speaker 4: because I picked the Browns and I root for my picks,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking Trubisky gives them better chance. Because yes, there'll
Speaker 4: be more, there'll be some variance, but he's at least
Speaker 4: an NFL quarterback, and Kenny Pickett right now is making
Speaker 4: you wonder whether he's an NFL.
Speaker 6: Well, you could feel a switch potentially coming at some point.
Speaker 6: I'd say Picket if he has had one thing to
Speaker 6: offer in close games like this Nick in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 6: he's had sort of a little bit of a flare
Speaker 6: to him where suddenly he awakens and they're winning types.
Speaker 6: That's why their record is what it is. They're not
Speaker 6: blowing people out. They're winning very close games, one score games,
Speaker 6: and you need great play and you came out against
Speaker 6: a nasty defense, So no luck today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that defense is in his head. It was very
Speaker 7: obvious in the way that he was carrying himself. And
Speaker 7: I think that these players have gotten to the point
Speaker 7: of frustration, and now he has multiple reasons to be frustrated,
Speaker 7: by the way, because he's also losing his job. Yeah,
Speaker 7: as we speak, but this scheme just doesn't empower any
Speaker 7: of them. I mean, third and long too many times
Speaker 7: over the course of the entire season, even the last
Speaker 7: two weeks has been Pickett drops back, throws up a
Speaker 7: prayer to George Pickens incomplete, throws up a prayer to
Speaker 7: Deontay Johnson incomplete. And when they did that on their
Speaker 7: last possession this game to day, where they had to
Speaker 7: solely rely on the pass, I knew they were doomed
Speaker 7: because they hadn't done it all day. And I don't
Speaker 7: think he trusts his offensive line. Dan Moore, by the way,
Speaker 7: got dominated by Miles Garrett. If you dive in the
Speaker 7: next gen stats, he owned him there. And I can't
Speaker 7: blame Kenny for being uncertain in that situation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Dalen Warren goes for one in this game, the rest
Speaker 4: of the team went for one hundred in four yards.
Speaker 4: Steelers fall to six and four, or it is messy
Speaker 4: in the AFC.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the AFC south.
Speaker 16: First down at the twenty yard line of Tennessee under
Speaker 16: center as Trevor.
Speaker 1: Play fake again. Trevor's avoids trouble close to the corner
Speaker 1: of the end of the Paul is gonna be caught.
Speaker 14: That is a touchdown to Calvin Redley.
Speaker 8: Twenty yard touchdown pass from Trevor Lawrence to Calvin Ridley
Speaker 8: as extended the lad.
Speaker 4: It's one of those weeks, one of those weeks where
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley goes off. It's been a while. Seven for
Speaker 4: one oh three and two touchdowns. What's his third one
Speaker 4: hundred yard game of the season. Somehow they win, they
Speaker 4: being the Jacksonville Jaguars thirty four to fourteen.
Speaker 1: This was not close.
Speaker 4: That was our friend Frank Frangie from w ok D.
Speaker 5: We are friends.
Speaker 4: Jaguars needed to bounce back after one of the worst games.
Speaker 4: He was maybe the worst game of the Doug Peterson era,
Speaker 4: and they did it in style. Nick, How'd they get
Speaker 4: it done?
Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence, Baby, I would even want to say he's back,
Speaker 7: because I don't think he ever really left.
Speaker 15: But man, he looks so good today. He looked so confident.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: This is a few days after we talked about I
Speaker 7: wrote a post about Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence talked
Speaker 7: about how his bum knee has been limiting him and
Speaker 7: he can't move in the pocket. Well, he's sure moved
Speaker 7: on that touchdown pass. He moved on another big throw
Speaker 7: to Dearnest Johnson down the sideline escape in the pocket,
Speaker 7: doing everything on the run. He's got the mobility back.
Speaker 7: He looks exactly like he did at his peak last year.
Speaker 7: And yeah, it's the Titans, but you still got a
Speaker 7: formidable front that you have to respect. Formidable front, by
Speaker 7: the way, included a defensive tackle to score a touchdown
Speaker 7: mister Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 15: But that was in the blowout portion of the game.
Speaker 7: And it was a blowout because Trevor Lawrence was on
Speaker 7: fire today and Calvin Ridley ended up being the main
Speaker 7: beneficiary of it.
Speaker 6: I think when you get this version of Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 6: they're a different offense. And I mean he was six
Speaker 6: for eight Trevor Lawrence on fifteen plus air yard passes,
Speaker 6: and that kind of explosive action through the air changes
Speaker 6: what they can do. They dominated in time of possession,
Speaker 6: and this version of the Jacksonville Jaguars, like last week,
Speaker 6: was a little concerning because it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: this is the kind of team you're going to play
Speaker 6: at some point in the playoffs if you overachieve and
Speaker 6: they got their doors blown off, it's like a response game.
Speaker 6: I like to see a young team that's learning how
Speaker 6: to win come back and do it. You got a
Speaker 6: special quarterback, and I think you also have a defense
Speaker 6: that's obviously a game changing defense. For a year ago
Speaker 6: that was your achilles heel.
Speaker 4: Right, because the final stats nick for Levis look good,
Speaker 4: the thirteen for seventeen one to fifty eight. You know
Speaker 4: that that's great per attempt, But what was happening in
Speaker 4: the early portion of the game, basically the first three
Speaker 4: quarters when it got to twenty seven nothing before They
Speaker 4: kind of made it look better at the end.
Speaker 7: Yeah, those numbers are fulls gold, like the passer ratings
Speaker 7: through the roof, And that's wasn't what the game was.
Speaker 7: It's not really his fault. It's a lot of like
Speaker 7: what we saw last week and they played Tampa. It's
Speaker 7: will Levis knows that well, the defense knows that Will
Speaker 7: Levis has no running game to support him.
Speaker 15: The offensive line is subpar.
Speaker 7: They're not going to protect him well he's going to
Speaker 7: stand there and take his lumps, and they're gonna blitz
Speaker 7: the crap out of him and see what he does
Speaker 7: and be willing to take the risks. Like that touchdown
Speaker 7: pass to DeAndre Hopkins was on a trick play where
Speaker 7: Lewis motioned back after the snap into the pocket and
Speaker 7: caught the pitch and then turned and found Hopkins wide
Speaker 7: open run down the field. That was their first sign
Speaker 7: of life, and at that point it was a blowout
Speaker 7: because what they do traditionally in the past, leaning on
Speaker 7: Dereck Henry to kind of open up the passing game,
Speaker 7: none of that is working, and he's just it's an
Speaker 7: uphill climb. I feel bad for him because I actually
Speaker 7: think he's got something to him. It's just that we're
Speaker 7: not going to really ever see it until they figure
Speaker 7: out how to balance out their offense right now, and
Speaker 7: there's no hope for that.
Speaker 15: Their offensive line is just not good enough. The Texans
Speaker 15: next week, ooh, that's good.
Speaker 4: Jaguars are at seven and three. We mentioned the Texans
Speaker 4: at six and four. There is absolutely a route for
Speaker 4: both of these teams to get into the playoffs, but
Speaker 4: the Jaguars need to win that game where they give
Speaker 4: up first place in the division because Texans already won earlier,
Speaker 4: Titans totally out of it at three and seven.
Speaker 1: It's strange.
Speaker 4: I just kept way because there are the Titans that
Speaker 4: that like they're gonna ugly into some of these wins
Speaker 4: and like they'll end up sneakily playing in a game
Speaker 4: that matters with playoff implications in week sixteen or seventeen,
Speaker 4: and it just is not looking like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They are three and seven.
Speaker 4: Their defense just has a lot of resources put into it,
Speaker 4: and it is not good enough. Our friend Justin Graver
Speaker 4: pointed out to me, I believe now that they lost
Speaker 4: this game, they'll have gone a full calendar year without
Speaker 4: winning a road game.
Speaker 6: So that's they're looking fourteen in their last in that stretch.
Speaker 6: And so the plan they came into the season with
Speaker 6: already there was evidence that it wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that is not a good sign. Hopefully
Speaker 4: they I don't know, they got to stick with Levis,
Speaker 4: but for now, we're gonna stick with Nick Schuok. He
Speaker 4: doesn't know this, but he's staying on for a third
Speaker 4: game because I know you watched forty nine ers bucks
Speaker 4: and we didn't tell you, but we're gonna ask you
Speaker 4: what you think about forty nine ers bucks.
Speaker 1: Let's go to San Francisco.
Speaker 15: Heard he goe a can to play?
Speaker 16: Here is three receivers, right I you came to you
Speaker 16: check left, going deep down the sideline for are you?
Speaker 13: He's got it and he's gone twenty ten five touchdown, Sarin.
Speaker 1: Frid Cisco, are you? Are you a yuk is on fire?
Speaker 4: High call?
Speaker 2: Baby?
Speaker 1: What a throw from brock Perty.
Speaker 4: It's all great throws from brock Perty twenty seven to fourteen.
Speaker 4: The forty nine ers get it done on a day heck,
Speaker 4: they could have won by even more potentially. That was
Speaker 4: Greg Papa and Tim Ryan on k NBR. We should
Speaker 4: always call uh for ayuk touchdown because that means we
Speaker 4: get the little single on brock party Mark. He came
Speaker 4: out of the bye week and he did it again.
Speaker 4: He's basically been perfect for two weeks. He finishes with
Speaker 4: three hundred and thirty.
Speaker 1: Three yards in three touchdowns.
Speaker 6: I'm only twenty five, twenty one of twenty five total
Speaker 6: pristine operation, the first Niners quarterback to have a perfect rating.
Speaker 5: I know everyone's like.
Speaker 6: Don't care about QB rating, but but it has not happened.
Speaker 1: I am everyone, wouldn't you say everyone?
Speaker 6: Well, no, because I mean I get it, like it's
Speaker 6: it's an imperfect stat. But the last time it's happened
Speaker 6: to a Niners quarterback, and it's been a lot of
Speaker 6: good Niners teams was Joe Montana and Steve Young back
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty nine tot it.
Speaker 5: So it's like it was that kind of a game.
Speaker 6: And I thought Nick that there were there was a
Speaker 6: stretch of play here. We've seen it before from the Niners,
Speaker 6: but it feels like that good old four o'clock Eastern
Speaker 6: Niners game when they're really rolling, where Brandon Ayuk, who
Speaker 6: has developed into an absolute star wide receiver, was utterly
Speaker 6: unstoppable at one point, went back Jamal bats and Jamal Deane,
Speaker 6: who like got injured on the play because Ayuka just
Speaker 6: is like insane with his speeding what he's doing.
Speaker 5: George Kittle is back in the mix.
Speaker 6: They didn't even really need a lot of from Deebo
Speaker 6: Samuel until late Christian McCaffrey an incredibly powerful first drive,
Speaker 6: then they kind of rested him. It's like they seem
Speaker 6: to me like they were gonna win this game forty
Speaker 6: five to ten. And I would say this the only
Speaker 6: thing I came him a little concerned with the Steve
Speaker 6: Wilkes defense, where it's like they could not put the
Speaker 6: bucks away the way you would have thought down the stretch.
Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield's been spicy. Evans and the crew have been
Speaker 6: that way too, But it's like, there was a chance
Speaker 6: for the Niners to win this game by twenty five
Speaker 6: thirty points and it got way too close or just
Speaker 6: a little too nasty down the stretch.
Speaker 7: Yeah, where it really turned was when they the Baker
Speaker 7: Mayfield let at five play seventy five yard touchdown drive
Speaker 7: that happened really really quickly, like two and a half
Speaker 7: minutes worth of time in the fourth quarter, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 7: we do kind of have a game. Then they get
Speaker 7: right back down there, they're on the doorstep of the
Speaker 7: end zone and they fail to convert. Then they get
Speaker 7: down there again and Baker throws a pick because Chris
Speaker 7: Godwin didn't really sell out for the ball, and so
Speaker 7: you do our concerned about that. And Christian McCaffrey was
Speaker 7: frustrated because in the possessions in between first they were coming.
Speaker 7: In the blink of an eye, it was like three
Speaker 7: and out up, We're give them the ball back. I look
Speaker 7: up and all of all of a sudden, they're putting back
Speaker 7: to the Buccaneers again. But Christian mca haffrey was frustrated
Speaker 7: because it's fourth and one and they can't convert and
Speaker 7: they turn it over on downs and he comes over
Speaker 7: and starts punching a Microsoft Surface tablet on the sideline
Speaker 7: out of frustration when they're up thirteen points, when there's
Speaker 7: four minutes left in a game in which their defense
Speaker 7: has already stopped them twice. Like you think it's not
Speaker 7: that big of a deal, but they sense that too,
Speaker 7: which you really have to appreciate because a lot of
Speaker 7: teams of lesser caliber that maybe don't have as high
Speaker 7: of expectations as these forty nine ers do would be
Speaker 7: laughing on the sideline in that instance, and he wasn't.
Speaker 7: He was upset because they do need to clean that up.
Speaker 7: But man, what a day for brock Purty. I feel
Speaker 7: like the concerns that we had about them during their
Speaker 7: three game losing streak feel like a month and a
Speaker 7: half ago.
Speaker 15: It was like three weeks ago. But it feels like
Speaker 15: twice as long.
Speaker 7: Games like this will instantly make you forget about that
Speaker 7: he's super efficient. The splash players were there. He was
Speaker 7: incredible on passes of ten to fifteen plus are yards.
Speaker 7: He was perfect on passes of twenty plus are yards.
Speaker 7: Everything worked for them, And when this offense is humming
Speaker 7: like it is like it did today, they're gonna be
Speaker 7: a tough team to be well.
Speaker 4: Kittle's having his best year in three or four years.
Speaker 4: He goes eight for eighty nine in a touchdown. He's
Speaker 4: getting chunk plays out of twenty four years, I'd open
Speaker 4: all day A Yukas is a true one. Deebo's healthy
Speaker 4: at least again did get it like a forty yard er.
Speaker 1: Later.
Speaker 4: I think McCaffrey's punching his tablet because they aren't a
Speaker 4: great running team right now, even though they have Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4: They're just not and they haven't really been for two months.
Speaker 4: So that is a little jarring that you're a forty
Speaker 4: nine ers team that when you absolutely need a yard
Speaker 4: you can't just hand it to Christian McCaffrey and be
Speaker 4: confident you're gonna get that yard. But that's that's one
Speaker 4: little fly in the ointment when they're throwing the ball
Speaker 4: this well, and Fred Warner's kind of making his great
Speaker 4: plays again, and both Chase Young and Bosa get sacked,
Speaker 4: so like, I'm not gonna I gotta watch it closer
Speaker 4: and everything. But they did well, you know, out gain
Speaker 4: him by one fifty, held him under three hundred, ultimately
Speaker 4: win by a couple scores, and with the Seahawks losing,
Speaker 4: you know, you get up a game in the NFI.
Speaker 6: I think it says a little bit about Baker Mayfield too,
Speaker 6: and the fact that, like, yes, he's imperfect and they're
Speaker 6: gonna be frustrating moments, but.
Speaker 5: He kind of just refused to give up.
Speaker 6: And he did have good chemistry with his wide receivers,
Speaker 6: so it wasn't just the Niners having their own issues.
Speaker 5: And that's sort of I'm not trying to nitpick.
Speaker 6: It's just that, I don't know, kind of reminds me
Speaker 6: of a couple of weeks ago in primetime when the
Speaker 6: Bill should have won by fourteen more points than they did.
Speaker 6: It's like the Niners kind of just let them back
Speaker 6: in and that that doesn't matter today, but will it
Speaker 6: matter in the NFC title game for the fourth time
Speaker 6: in five years or whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's a valid concern if they do get
Speaker 7: to that point. You know, you bring up Baker just
Speaker 7: real quick. This is the first time ever gonna admit
Speaker 7: this in my life because the first time I've ever
Speaker 7: experienced this feeling. I felt bad for Baker today, Like
Speaker 7: I seriously felt bad for him. Like he's out there
Speaker 7: giving it his all, and his teammates just aren't footing
Speaker 7: their end of the bill. Like it just he's he
Speaker 7: tries hard, man, he's having a good year. He makes
Speaker 7: some mistakes. He probably should have got picked off two
Speaker 7: more times than he did they had. I think the
Speaker 7: Niners dropped three would be interceptions that were right there.
Speaker 1: All right, let's not feel too bad for him.
Speaker 4: He's yeah, he's playing out there, Sharon and Trey Palmer
Speaker 4: and yeah all these days.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. I think you know.
Speaker 4: We Dan pointed out a cleice, like when a backup
Speaker 4: quarterback plays a couple of good games. We said, like, well,
Speaker 4: he's he's earned like ten years in the league. I
Speaker 4: think Dave Canalis, the play caller offensive coordinator for the Bucks,
Speaker 4: has earned himself like eight years now. In the NFL
Speaker 4: as a play caller, because he was the guy who
Speaker 4: was there when Gino Smith's career turned around in Seattle,
Speaker 4: and he's turned Baker Mayfield and the guy that I
Speaker 4: didn't think I'd ever see with Baker Mayfield. And so
Speaker 4: this staff is gonna have to win the division to
Speaker 4: keep their jobs. Probably, I think they have a much
Speaker 4: better chance than the outside does. They really don't have
Speaker 4: any hard games the rest of the year, and I
Speaker 4: think they're probably the best team in that division if
Speaker 4: I had to choose one.
Speaker 1: So I think they have a chance. But Canalis has
Speaker 1: done a nice job.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be tougher though, because they lost Jamel Dean,
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis, and Levonte David the injuries in this game,
Speaker 4: and so that is disappointing for that defense. You know,
Speaker 4: it's never disappointing. He's having old Nick Shookhan. No, it's
Speaker 4: not Nick. Go go celebrate in the streets. Seems like
Speaker 4: people are celebrating a little too much in Cleveland. Actually
Speaker 4: stay inside and stay safe.
Speaker 7: Away from the windows. Yeah, I'll do that, guys, take care,
Speaker 7: appreciate it.
Speaker 4: A little inside joke that things are going a little
Speaker 4: whild there in the Cleveland streets.
Speaker 1: Thanks Chookie, We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 4: All right, that's it for Nick, But Mark, we got
Speaker 4: a couple games left before we get to Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Miami.
Speaker 16: Thirty two seconds remains Aiden O'Connell, the rookie maman the
Speaker 16: thirty nine yard line back to throw, looking, looking, lots
Speaker 16: of time, goes seep.
Speaker 11: To the end, tensed by Jalen Ramsey perfects.
Speaker 2: A tremendous diving interception, his second of the ball game
Speaker 2: is third of the year. And there is your MVP
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 4: Joe, Jimmy, Sephalo and Joe rose on wb D G
Speaker 4: Ramsey with his second big time interception.
Speaker 1: Of the game.
Speaker 4: That was an incredible read and play just all around
Speaker 4: awesome by Jalen Ramsey. Clinch is a closer game than
Speaker 4: a lot of people expected twenty to thirteen, with the
Speaker 4: Raiders having a chance there at the very end. Mark,
Speaker 4: there is not a game today I know less about
Speaker 4: than Dolphins Raiders.
Speaker 1: Why was it that close at the end.
Speaker 6: You know they've been They're seventeen and two at home
Speaker 6: in their last nineteen home games, the Dolphins, and they've
Speaker 6: been blowing people's doors off in super sweltering hot Miami today.
Speaker 6: It took a couple, it took a different type of win,
Speaker 6: and it took it different heroes like Jalen Ramsey to
Speaker 6: step up, who had that game ceiling interception, which was
Speaker 6: one of the most athletic picks we'll see all year.
Speaker 6: Had another one that was really high quality and tough.
Speaker 6: That was the Raiders melting down late. What the reason
Speaker 6: it was close was that the offense we've seen from Miami,
Speaker 6: which if anything else too, has been extremely efficient. They've
Speaker 6: been statistically right at top of the charts no matter
Speaker 6: how you look at it. But it came out of
Speaker 6: the gate with on a scamper loses the ball at
Speaker 6: his own thirty one, leads to a Raiders field goal.
Speaker 6: They had a twelve pay play drive that ended on
Speaker 6: downs at the Vegas three. That's a lost opportunity. There
Speaker 6: was a Julian Hill fumble at Miami's thirty two that
Speaker 6: led to another Raiders field goal. Tua was picked off
Speaker 6: on a deep shot. Later in the game, Jake Bailey
Speaker 6: missed a fifty yard field goal. So stuff cropped up
Speaker 6: where Miami just hasn't been doing these things and it
Speaker 6: kept the Raiders in the game. The Raiders, to me,
Speaker 6: I will say this, it was not an overly impressive
Speaker 6: performance for Aidan O'Connell because the turnovers down the stretch
Speaker 6: were a death knell. They could not run the ball
Speaker 6: well today two point three yards per Kerry. But their
Speaker 6: defense under Patrick Graham, I think there's just more unity
Speaker 6: and cohesion in that coaching staff. The Raiders were dancing
Speaker 6: around early, the players on the sideline, and there's something
Speaker 6: about the Raiders experience where you lose this game, but
Speaker 6: I see a different team.
Speaker 5: I think we all do.
Speaker 6: And it came very close because Miami just lacked what
Speaker 6: slacked in other games. But I'll say one last thing.
Speaker 6: Tyreek Hill did some incredible things in this game. He
Speaker 6: did some incredible things, so it was kind of like
Speaker 6: we need two heroes to step up. It was Jalen
Speaker 6: Ramsey and Tyreek Hill with a catch and run touchdown
Speaker 6: unlike anything else you'll see from anyone but Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 6: and he did it again. So they did just they
Speaker 6: got just enough from their offense.
Speaker 4: So ten for one and one touchdown, and that's why
Speaker 4: you give up all those picks for Tyreek Hill. Sure,
Speaker 4: a day like today where he just carries you. On
Speaker 4: a day where, yeah, you mentioned two, I had a
Speaker 4: couple of mistakes. You know, he's already at his interception
Speaker 4: total for a year ago.
Speaker 1: I just find that, you know, interesting.
Speaker 4: He obviously only played ten games and he's had like
Speaker 4: nine fumbles. Now, some of those were bad snaps, so
Speaker 4: I'd have to go back and through and and see
Speaker 4: some of those weren't really on him. But that's a
Speaker 4: ton of fumbles. But you get him, you trade the
Speaker 4: pick for Jalen Ramsey. It was more about just like,
Speaker 4: we're gonna take on his contract and we're not gonna
Speaker 4: worry about it.
Speaker 1: And that's what it's for.
Speaker 4: On days where like everything else is relatively even and
Speaker 4: you're playing a five and six Raiders team that's playing
Speaker 4: above their heads, it's like, yeah, we have dudes that
Speaker 4: are better than your top dudes other than DeVante Adams,
Speaker 4: who is dude who got a nice long one.
Speaker 6: Hunter renfro Is back in this offense and made an
Speaker 6: incredible catch.
Speaker 1: Wow, five for forty two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're using him again.
Speaker 6: So it's another thing i'd point to that's a positive
Speaker 6: for the Raiders who are still very much alive in
Speaker 6: this thing. But I like to see Miami closing the
Speaker 6: game with two interceptions.
Speaker 5: Of course that.
Speaker 6: Took you know, the acabatomy from Jalen Ramsey. But they
Speaker 6: won this one a little bit differently, And I really
Speaker 6: think for this team, depending on what happens, like if
Speaker 6: they get a situation where they can play a couple
Speaker 6: home games in the playoffs versus having to go on
Speaker 6: the road, they're just a different team at home.
Speaker 1: It's a long way though.
Speaker 4: I know they're seven and three and that sounds like
Speaker 4: a big lead over the Bills, which are six and five,
Speaker 4: But I am concerned. They came into this week ranking
Speaker 4: twenty first in EPA for the three weeks preceding the bye.
Speaker 4: This is another game that you know, might not raise
Speaker 4: that by much. So that offense, I don't think from
Speaker 4: the first month is coming back fully because just because
Speaker 4: that's not how it works to me. The question is
Speaker 4: can they're improving defense? And it's definitely improving Jalen Phillips,
Speaker 4: they're healthier, Jalen Ramsey like, they're better, they've been getting better.
Speaker 4: Can their defense improve enough and can they show that
Speaker 4: they can start to win closer games against better competition
Speaker 4: to make up for the offense coming back to Earth,
Speaker 4: because it's coming back.
Speaker 6: To Earth it is, Or can the schedule help you
Speaker 6: because you've got the Jets, the Commanders, the Titans, and
Speaker 6: then the Jets again over your next four games.
Speaker 1: That's it's a fair point.
Speaker 4: If you don't come out of there ten and four
Speaker 4: at the worst, you're you're deeply disappointed. And there, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's absolutely a chance you win all of those games. Sure,
Speaker 4: I mean they'll be favored significantly. That's a fair point.
Speaker 4: They were excited to get Devon Aheen back in this game,
Speaker 4: and he got hurt almost right away.
Speaker 6: It sounds like they're not because they kept him like
Speaker 6: they didn't rule him out or anything, because they thought
Speaker 6: he might be able to play. But was a knee
Speaker 6: injury and it was the same knee as before, so
Speaker 6: I think they were just being very cautious.
Speaker 15: So a short week, Yeah, Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 6: Hurt his hand and like continue to play awesome with
Speaker 6: what looks like a bandaged kind of glove situation. So
Speaker 6: you know, he's tough as nails. He's back in there.
Speaker 6: But I think with a chan it's like I want
Speaker 6: to wait and see what happens with that. But they
Speaker 6: played soon. They played the Jets on.
Speaker 4: That button Friday, a very rare four day week for them.
Speaker 4: I guess that literally never happened if we ever have
Speaker 4: Friday games.
Speaker 1: I not that we did.
Speaker 5: A year ago, I believe. Am I incorrect about that?
Speaker 4: I don't know who can remember all this stuff. They're
Speaker 4: just changing things around. During the COVID year, there was game.
Speaker 5: It was a Wednesday game.
Speaker 4: Any any day of the week that was wild. That
Speaker 4: was the Pittsburgh game. Aiden O'Connell. Look, he's he's moving
Speaker 4: the ball a little bit. He could be a lot worse.
Speaker 4: In fact, I would say he's been better than the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three version of Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: You know what else is better?
Speaker 4: Wrapping up our early games, Cowboys at Panthers, let's get
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 3: From the twenty five play action, Young Froze the bcept
Speaker 3: it that's a thirty yard line coming.
Speaker 5: Down the left side is touch it to five?
Speaker 1: He did it again.
Speaker 5: He did it again.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable what he has doored.
Speaker 9: Undercut the first down pass and Deran Bland said, I
Speaker 9: don't think I've scored in about two weeks.
Speaker 4: Oh man, just like, make a list of all the
Speaker 4: great players in the NFL this season who have not
Speaker 4: caught three touchdown or four touchdown passes. They've all scored
Speaker 4: less than Deron Bland. Somehow, this Digs injuries like worked
Speaker 4: out pretty well for the Cowboys. Not for Diggs. I
Speaker 4: feel bad for him, but four pick six is this
Speaker 4: season and Deron ban gets his hands on a lot
Speaker 4: of other passes too that he doesn't even return for
Speaker 4: a pick six, like he's a legitimately good cornerback. Thirty
Speaker 4: three to ten is the score here. Dallas goes to Carolina,
Speaker 4: they take care of business. That was Brad Sham, the
Speaker 4: Sham God of course from k rl D. What was
Speaker 4: the most interesting thing about a score line mark that
Speaker 4: felt entirely predictable.
Speaker 6: Well, there is the pick six right there, and be
Speaker 6: fright before that, Tony Pollard with a really powerful touchdown run.
Speaker 6: I thought he ran really well, maybe one of his
Speaker 6: best games of the year. It's not the most impressive
Speaker 6: box score, but he looked a little different to me,
Speaker 6: and I think that within that couple of minutes in
Speaker 6: the game, the explosiveness from two different parts of your
Speaker 6: team that put the Panthers away because this is a
Speaker 6: frustrating one for the Panthers.
Speaker 5: Of course, no one's thinking they're going to win.
Speaker 6: But they kept this thing really close, and they shot
Speaker 6: themselves in the foot at key times.
Speaker 5: There was a drive where essentially the.
Speaker 1: Cowboys as a one score game entering in.
Speaker 6: The fourth course, and it looked like it, and it
Speaker 6: was seventeen to nothing after a drive where the Panthers
Speaker 6: had no business giving up a touchdown, but they had
Speaker 6: they I have not seen this before. Xavier Woods was
Speaker 6: flagged for simultaneously the unusual combination of a face mask
Speaker 6: and a horse collar on the same play.
Speaker 5: It doesn't happen too often.
Speaker 6: That puts him in a situation where Dallas could have
Speaker 6: had a field goal, right, But then there's two more
Speaker 6: personal fouls against this team as well on third down.
Speaker 6: It's like the Panthers just kept letting the Dallas back
Speaker 6: into a game where like it wasn't the Dallas didn't
Speaker 6: look effective or good.
Speaker 5: Dak Proscott, he looks.
Speaker 6: He's throwing the ball as went as well as anyone
Speaker 6: in the NFC or the NFL. But it was like
Speaker 6: you could have gotten Dallas caught into one of those
Speaker 6: situations and Bryce Young they put together the longest drive
Speaker 6: of the year seventeen plays, seventy yards, nine plus minutes
Speaker 6: and made it that made it seventeen to ten in
Speaker 6: the third quarter. But then the Cowboys exploded with the
Speaker 6: Tony Pollard touchdown Deron Plan pick six, and it's like
Speaker 6: they just Dallas against Obviously these these like lesser teams,
Speaker 6: is way too much to handle. And Carolina by the
Speaker 6: end was like completely underwater.
Speaker 4: Right, the Cowboys are now seven and three. They had
Speaker 4: that one slip up to the Cardinals in Week three,
Speaker 4: but otherwise they got a forty to nothing against the Giants,
Speaker 4: a thirty to ten against the Jets, a thirty eight
Speaker 4: to three against the Patriots, a forty three to twenty
Speaker 4: against the Rams, and a forty nine to seventeen against
Speaker 4: the Giants.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pick on them.
Speaker 4: That is a sign of a great team, teams that
Speaker 4: beat up on bad teams. And yeah, they got to
Speaker 4: prove it against the better team. Fine, but in the meantime,
Speaker 4: like we'd be killing them if they lose any of
Speaker 4: these games, or even if it came down to the
Speaker 4: last few plays. So they're getting it done only five
Speaker 4: yards per attempt for Dak today, but you know, no
Speaker 4: turnovers or anything. Maybe playing it a little safer, like
Speaker 4: he comes down to earth somewhat. But they're in good
Speaker 4: position and any away win for them is massive because
Speaker 4: they can't be beat at home.
Speaker 2: It team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, their road like splits are very differently. I would
Speaker 6: say Micah Parsons three sacks today. They absolutely dominated Bryce Young,
Speaker 6: especially on third and long. Frank Reich has taken over
Speaker 6: play calling and the one thing I'd say they used
Speaker 6: a lot more tempo. They tried to go a little
Speaker 6: new no huddle, and I think it helped Bryce Young
Speaker 6: to some degree. But this team feels so lost to
Speaker 6: me on third down, especially, and there's a lack of
Speaker 6: creativity and they get stuck in a lot of third
Speaker 6: and unmanageable yardage situations and Dallas just teed off at
Speaker 6: that point. It's you know, it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: great coaching helps a rookie quarterback out and puts him
Speaker 6: in the best possible situation. And outside of Adam Thieling
Speaker 6: Felun playing above his head like there's just nothing else
Speaker 6: happening with this offense.
Speaker 4: I mean, they haven't scored more than thirteen points in
Speaker 4: a four games, and then the last time they scored
Speaker 4: more was fifteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough.
Speaker 4: He had two point one yards per play on passing
Speaker 4: plays because he was sacked seven times. He was hit
Speaker 4: eleven times. And you mentioned Parsons having a monster game.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't for Garrett, I swear Parsons is just
Speaker 4: on another planet. He's over ten sacks for the third
Speaker 4: straight season to start his career. I mean that seems
Speaker 4: like that's a low bar for him. But only nine
Speaker 4: people since they started keeping track I've ever done that
Speaker 4: to start their career. So that is the type of
Speaker 4: company Michael Parsons is keeping, and they keep it rolling.
Speaker 4: I like that. We have some powerhouse teams that stay
Speaker 4: good for the most part week after week.
Speaker 1: That is the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: That is not how you would describe our two teams
Speaker 4: playing Sunday night football, but they are fun. Let's finish
Speaker 4: up with the Vikings and the Broncos.
Speaker 9: Snap Plucket two at one all out, puts them away.
Speaker 2: Give it up. Pruss Rust throws the ball.
Speaker 1: To the end zone.
Speaker 4: It is touchdown.
Speaker 2: That is Clatland seven his a three zone touchdown of.
Speaker 8: The year, sixteen yard touchdown Wilson's to seven.
Speaker 2: He went up all from McKay Brockman.
Speaker 8: And the Broncos with sixty three seconds left are in
Speaker 8: front of the Vikings twenty one twenty.
Speaker 4: Oh Yeah, those two men did it again. Courtland signed
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson. Dave Logan's back on the show. Week after
Speaker 4: week koa Denver Wow, still stunned by this one. Courtland
Speaker 4: Sutton's fifteen yard touchdown catch from Russell Wilson put the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Behind twenty one to twenty.
Speaker 4: Broncos take this one after shutting down a Josh Dobbs
Speaker 4: would be game winning field goal drive with a bunch
Speaker 4: of pressure in his face. Mark, the Denver Broncos are
Speaker 4: five and five. And you mentioned, as we're walking in here,
Speaker 4: the unlikely source of great primetime drama in the last
Speaker 4: two weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 6: When you scan this, you know the future schedule, and
Speaker 6: they're sitting out there in these island games.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't want to be taken to that island.
Speaker 5: But they've been.
Speaker 6: They've been a different team, and I think, like tonight,
Speaker 6: you know, it continued a theme for them. They've got
Speaker 6: twelve takeaways in the last three games, and you.
Speaker 1: Know thats sustainable. You wouldn't think, no, it's not.
Speaker 6: And they talked about a streak like that not occurring
Speaker 6: for that team in almost a quarter century. But those
Speaker 6: little moments in a game like this made a big difference,
Speaker 6: because I thought the Brian Flores Vikings defense did a
Speaker 6: great job of shutting down what would be touchdown drives
Speaker 6: for much of the game, stopping them at the Minnesota's thirteen, twelve,
Speaker 6: thirty four, nineteen, and ten. Those were all field goal drives,
Speaker 6: but two of those field goal drives came off of
Speaker 6: Vikings fumbles.
Speaker 5: That was their problem earlier in the year. It crept
Speaker 5: up again tonight.
Speaker 6: Then Dobbs had that one interception that led to a
Speaker 6: fifth field goal. And I would point to one other
Speaker 6: thing right before the half, Kevin O'Connell, and I love
Speaker 6: what he did tonight with a fake punt. I thought
Speaker 6: he did a nice job in the second half trying
Speaker 6: to give his offense a chance. But they had a
Speaker 6: fourth and one opportunity from the Denver forty eight with
Speaker 6: a minute left before halftime, and they punt. That's your choice,
Speaker 6: but then Russell Wilson drove the team right down the
Speaker 6: field to make it ten to nine before the house.
Speaker 6: So these little moments in a twenty one to twenty
Speaker 6: game added up up for the team of ATLS oh
Speaker 6: ugly evening for us for that franchise that.
Speaker 4: It was a sad end. And yes, the first loss
Speaker 4: by the Vikings as the team of the Around the
Speaker 4: NFL podcast, that's a great point mark that you made
Speaker 4: about the end of that first half. And that's unlike
Speaker 4: O'Connell to be passive, but.
Speaker 2: That's a great point mark.
Speaker 6: I don't know if Tony Grossi ever listens to the
Speaker 6: show or is aware that this is happening.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I know he's enjoying this
Speaker 4: Brown season. I'm sure he's a little surprised to see
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs, the former Browns quarterback, in such big spots.
Speaker 4: Maybe we shouldn't be surprised, but I am surprised. Russell
Speaker 4: Wilson at the end of these games two minute drill,
Speaker 4: that is where he's at his best. So he did
Speaker 4: it at the end of the first half to get
Speaker 4: those three points, and then he did it to end
Speaker 4: the game calmly moving down down the field. Most of
Speaker 4: it was what the Broncos offense has been all see,
Speaker 4: which is dum dumpoffs to the running backs. I mean,
Speaker 4: Samaji p Ryan had a good chunk of that drive
Speaker 4: on just these dumpoffs. But Russell Wilson's been in those
Speaker 4: situations so many times. The Vikings actually didn't bring that
Speaker 4: much pressure in that drive. I'm sure Flores will think
Speaker 4: about his strategy then when they were rushing for that
Speaker 4: wasn't working. They tried rushing two and three in that drive.
Speaker 4: They weren't sending a ton of heat in that drive,
Speaker 4: and Russell Wilson generally was just backing up quickly, surveying
Speaker 4: the scene and getting about seven ten fifteen yards to
Speaker 4: p Ryan. And you get a little break that p
Speaker 4: Ryan's fumble that he had went out of bounds, yes,
Speaker 4: right before the game winner, and Russell Wilson, to his credit,
Speaker 4: just throws it up on a play where they did
Speaker 4: send pressure. I should point out the touchdown came when
Speaker 4: they did send the house, and Russell Wilson had an answer.
Speaker 4: When that ball's in the air, I'm thinking, man, there's
Speaker 4: two Vikings defenders over there. But the difference is those
Speaker 4: two Vikings defenders are like five ten five of it.
Speaker 4: In Courtland Sutton, I believe is seven foot nine when
Speaker 4: he's jumping up in the as.
Speaker 6: To be and like he's quietly having, you know, a
Speaker 6: great year, and Russell Wilson looks like a different player
Speaker 6: obviously from a year ago. There was another throw with
Speaker 6: total heat on Russell Wilson and he threw that dart
Speaker 6: to Jerry Judy in the end zone that should have
Speaker 6: been caught. But it's another example of him looking more
Speaker 6: organized and you know, less outside of his head than
Speaker 6: he was a year ago when he was lost at Sea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I don't know what to make of this
Speaker 4: Bronco seem I don't think you have to make anything
Speaker 4: of it. I think they were much better than their
Speaker 4: one in five record indicated. They had the one seventy
Speaker 4: point game they gave up, but the other a lot
Speaker 4: of their other losses were like these tight losses, and
Speaker 4: now they're winning tight games. And these two teams are
Speaker 4: pretty emblematic of the NFL this season. I mean, the
Speaker 4: Vikings a completely unlikely five game winning streak. They almost
Speaker 4: moved it to six here, and I still think they're
Speaker 4: in good shape. To make the playoffs, but who knows
Speaker 4: with them. I think they're gonna be fine. I think
Speaker 4: they will make the playoffs, but they're not going to
Speaker 4: be blowing teams out. And the Broncos have won four
Speaker 4: straight games. Im probably they were one and five and
Speaker 4: now they're they're five and five, and I guess we
Speaker 4: have to talk about them as a playoffs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like I can take them seriously with the
Speaker 6: way that they're taking the ball away. And you know,
Speaker 6: I thought I thought they made Josh Dobbs uncomfortable in
Speaker 6: that final drive and on previous drives too, but their
Speaker 6: pressure made a big difference. I mean, Dobbs is playing
Speaker 6: out of his mind and he's it's still hard to
Speaker 6: comprehend now you know how little he knows about even
Speaker 6: the team around him.
Speaker 5: Still a couple of weeks can really help with that.
Speaker 6: But he had that incredible first touchdown pass to Josh
Speaker 6: Oliver where he you know, escapes he's nearly yang to
Speaker 6: the ground and then destroyed by two people as he
Speaker 6: gets the pass off right, and he had he ran
Speaker 6: for He's been a great running quarterback all year and
Speaker 6: so he's leaning on his athleticism and I think he
Speaker 6: makes good decisions. I thought on that final drive though,
Speaker 6: that kind of just he was forced to run all
Speaker 6: around all over the place to like eighteen figure eights
Speaker 6: and he's having to make wild throws to try to
Speaker 6: keep the Vikings alive, and that that's not the situation
Speaker 6: you wanted to be in.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if teams will look at the way this
Speaker 4: game ended in thought and think, like, Okay, Josh Stobbs smart,
Speaker 4: playing well, but it's asking a lot for him to
Speaker 4: know all the protections and communicate that to the offensive line,
Speaker 4: and the offensive line to be cohesive enough. And because
Speaker 4: guys were getting free and they just did not have answers.
Speaker 4: They have the Bears next week, and then which is
Speaker 4: on Monday Night football. Wow, Josh Stabbs is living in
Speaker 4: primetime now. And then they have the bye week, which
Speaker 4: I think for them will be really great to reset
Speaker 4: a bit. Because he was scrambled in this game. He
Speaker 4: lost the fumble early. That was a fumble that I
Speaker 4: would put on him. It was kind of loose with
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 5: He had three of them in this game too, had a.
Speaker 4: Few other plays that could have been intercepted, So this
Speaker 4: game could have gone a few different ways. I think
Speaker 4: the Vikings will be really happy that they ran the
Speaker 4: ball for one hundred and seventy five yards. Madison looked
Speaker 4: as good as he looked all season. The Broncos haven't
Speaker 4: been able to stop the run all They only end
Speaker 4: up with thirteen first downs in this game, but they
Speaker 4: just keep finding a way. And look, there's not that
Speaker 4: much that separates the good teams from the bad teams
Speaker 4: this year. There's definitely not a lot that separates like
Speaker 4: the Broncos from the Vikings. And if you look at
Speaker 4: these two teams as scheduled, they just both have a
Speaker 4: bunch of games where you're like, yeah, they could win
Speaker 4: that game, or yeah they could lose that game, and
Speaker 4: that's kind of the middle of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like the Vikings can't come into these games and
Speaker 6: lose the turnover battle the way they deny. The Broncos
Speaker 6: were two for twelve on thirteen. At one point, I
Speaker 6: think they were like zero for seven. They had like
Speaker 6: five yards rushing in the first half, so there wasn't
Speaker 6: a lot of balance around Russell Wilson and they just
Speaker 6: made the plays down the stretch and it's like, I
Speaker 6: don't know, like this is a weird team in a
Speaker 6: weird outside of the Chiefs, the rest of the AFC
Speaker 6: West is really bizarre. So I don't know what they
Speaker 6: can do at this point. They could win some division games.
Speaker 6: It's hard to take them like overly seriously, but why not, Like.
Speaker 4: Well, they got the Browns next, they're at Texans. I
Speaker 4: like the good thing of having all these little two
Speaker 4: games in the mix is these games between all these
Speaker 4: teams in the middle.
Speaker 1: This tonight as a perfect example.
Speaker 4: We kind of know these two teams aren't going to
Speaker 4: super Bowl, but it makes these types of games more fun.
Speaker 4: There's going to be more meeting. We're getting into the
Speaker 4: meat of the season. It's Thanksgiving week, it's week twelve
Speaker 4: coming up. We will be back Monday night. Believe it'll
Speaker 4: be all three of us well on that show. Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll be back Monday night. Dan's gone.
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm scrambled.
Speaker 5: Let's try to get let's try to get some consistency here.
Speaker 1: Let's get up.
Speaker 4: Let's get a Sessler winning streak going. It is great
Speaker 4: to have you back. And then we will tape a
Speaker 4: preview of all the games, including Thanksgiving games on Wednesday morning.
Speaker 4: We'll be taping a little earlier than normal. We'll try
Speaker 4: to get that out as soon as we can on Wednesday,
Speaker 4: but that's going to include the Thanksgiving Day game previews
Speaker 4: and all the games, and then we'll wrap the Thanksgiving
Speaker 4: games on Friday. Until then, for Dan Hansis, Nick Shook,
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler, Tony Grove, Grossy, and
Speaker 1: Dorian Thompson Robinson the call