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Speaker 3: What's up, guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of
Speaker 3: Chargers Weekly. We're presented by Microsoft Surface as always, joined
Speaker 3: by Matt Mundy Smith trying to turn the page on
Speaker 3: what happened at Lambeau Fields. Sunday, Chargers lose twenty three
Speaker 3: to twenty to Jordan love in the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3: They're four and six in a tough hole as the
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens come to town Sunday with a little extra
Speaker 3: rest money. Let's just start at Lambeau. I'm sure it
Speaker 3: was a cool trip for you to be a part
Speaker 3: of that history and call a game there, but not
Speaker 3: the result the Chargers we're hoping for.
Speaker 1: Don It was a big one, you know, we said
Speaker 1: it before the game.
Speaker 2: You just look at the percentages historically, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of history there to lean on. You start five
Speaker 2: and five and you got a thirty point five percent
Speaker 2: chance at least historical teams have made the playoffs thirty
Speaker 2: and one half of one percent of the time. You
Speaker 2: start four and six and that drops to seven percent.
Speaker 2: So it is a huge swing from five to five
Speaker 2: to four and six. Of course, those numbers don't take
Speaker 2: into account what your future schedule looks like or are
Speaker 2: you playing does the schedule get easier a lot of
Speaker 2: those games at home? Is there a lot of rest
Speaker 2: in there? And I think for the Chargers, you know,
Speaker 2: this goes back to what we said last year, right,
Speaker 2: which is when you lose one like they did against
Speaker 2: the Raiders to drop the six and six, well, now
Speaker 2: you got to find one to win. You got to
Speaker 2: overcome what looked to be a game that you weren't
Speaker 2: going to win and win it. So, you know, I
Speaker 2: think we probably would have said the odds favored the
Speaker 2: Ravens for that Sunday nighter the Mini Buy. It's one
Speaker 2: of the best teams, if not the best all around
Speaker 2: team in the AFC. Probably not in the Chargers favor
Speaker 2: So you were thinking five and six and then New
Speaker 2: England six and six, and that's where they were last
Speaker 2: year when they ended up finishing ten and seven. So
Speaker 2: now they've got to flip that. They just they have
Speaker 2: to beat the Ravens. This was a terrible loss against
Speaker 2: a team that on paper they were considerably better than.
Speaker 2: On the field they were better than, or I shouldn't
Speaker 2: say that's not true. On the field, they were at
Speaker 2: least evenly matched, and had they been able to execute,
Speaker 2: they should have won this game. They were in position
Speaker 2: to win this game had they been able to execute
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, and they just weren't.
Speaker 2: Weren't able to Yeah, lack of execution is where I
Speaker 2: think it starts.
Speaker 3: Uncharacteristic drops from Keenan Allen. He had two of them,
Speaker 3: Donald Parhum right at.
Speaker 4: The beginning of the game, easy drop.
Speaker 3: Just Justin was awesome in this game, and he was
Speaker 3: locked in. And I love to see the fire from
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert, and I hope that we see more of
Speaker 3: that moving forward. He knew how important that game was
Speaker 3: in money, there were moments where we haven't seen Justin
Speaker 3: run like he ran in that game this season. No, No,
Speaker 3: he found the opportunities. He knew what was required to
Speaker 3: win that game and how important it was. And obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, we don't want to belabor the point that
Speaker 3: Quinton Johnson drop was a game changer at least was
Speaker 3: going to tie the game. He could have taken that
Speaker 3: one to the house and they win the game. So
Speaker 3: a variety of mistakes and then defensively, you know, that
Speaker 3: that last Jordan Love drive the third and twenty was
Speaker 3: the was the play that sticks out. The next play
Speaker 3: to I think it was to Wick where where Michael
Speaker 3: Davis didn't wrap up. It was kind of reminiscent of
Speaker 3: the Tony Pollard play about a month ago against the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: And then obviously the miscommunication on the Dobbs go ahead
Speaker 3: and game winning touchdown. So a lot of mistakes in
Speaker 3: this game, and you could point to several different reasons
Speaker 3: as to why they lost.
Speaker 1: A lot.
Speaker 2: A lot to unpack there, Chris, So we'll start with
Speaker 2: the Keenan drops, right, So one's a touchdown, one is
Speaker 2: a first and goal from the one that's eight points
Speaker 2: that you know turned into field goals instead of touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That the thing about those two drops. Keenan came back
Speaker 2: and you knew he was gonna you knew that he
Speaker 2: was going to make an impact in this game, come
Speaker 2: up with some huge third down catches, came up with
Speaker 2: a huge touchdown catch to give him the lead. And
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, that's what Keenan does because he's an
Speaker 2: elite player in this league, and he recognizes we left
Speaker 2: him on the field. I got to pick my guy up.
Speaker 2: Herbert's playing his ass off and we've got to go
Speaker 2: win this game for him for as hard as he's playing.
Speaker 2: And Keenan did that, and he gave them a you
Speaker 2: know what, was it a twenty four to seventeen lead
Speaker 2: or a twenty to some sorry, twenty to seventeen lead,
Speaker 2: and you know, unfortunately were twenty to sixteen lead, and
Speaker 2: they weren't able to hold on to it.
Speaker 1: So that's that's one I felt like.
Speaker 2: And even with the palm catch, Parm had a couple
Speaker 2: other big catches in that game where you felt like
Speaker 2: he overcame it. Quintin did not. Quinn had a terrible game.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any two ways about it. And
Speaker 2: people point to that last drop. He did not have
Speaker 2: a good game overall, and something has ought to change there,
Speaker 2: and I feel for him.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie.
Speaker 2: It's tough when you've got this much talent on a
Speaker 2: team and these games are this close. But it's no
Speaker 2: longer what Brandon Staley was trying to preach earlier about patients,
Speaker 2: and we don't have to rush him, and he's got
Speaker 2: look at our wide receiver room. Mike Williams, Josh Palmer
Speaker 2: and Keenan Allen, and you know, it's no big deal.
Speaker 1: We believe in him long term. It's not a one
Speaker 1: year thing, but.
Speaker 2: It is this year, you know, with all the injuries,
Speaker 2: with Josh Palmer down, with Mike Williams down, there is
Speaker 2: no time for that. Zay Flowers leads the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 2: and catches and yards. Jordan Addison leaves the Vikings in touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Those two guys were picked right after him, and they
Speaker 2: were ranked ahead of him on just about every draft board.
Speaker 2: So that's and I'm not saying that to point out
Speaker 2: that it was a mistake of a pick. I'm saying
Speaker 2: it because I can only imagine what the confidence is
Speaker 2: for him, you know, seeing what the players around him
Speaker 2: are doing, what the commentary is around his performance thus far,
Speaker 2: it's going to be incredibly negative. So team's got a
Speaker 2: rap and try to feed him positivity while also coaching him,
Speaker 2: coaching him to hold his hands like this, not like
Speaker 2: this when you catch the ball. And that was and
Speaker 2: that's that muscle memory that we were talking about.
Speaker 1: That's how he.
Speaker 2: Played at TCU, and so that repeatedly showed up in
Speaker 2: this game. If you go and look at every one
Speaker 2: of his targets, the six targets, it's all this and
Speaker 2: it led to him falling out of bounds on a
Speaker 2: third down that maybe had he extended his arms to
Speaker 2: catch these balls, and for whatever reason, it's just not happening.
Speaker 2: There was a pass downfield earlier. And it's been a
Speaker 2: weird thing with him this season. He doesn't fight through
Speaker 2: contact to get his second arm up, and if you
Speaker 2: go back and you watch a lot of his targets,
Speaker 2: he's got just one hand extended, and it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: You're not going to catch the ball with one hand.
Speaker 2: You've got to fight through contact. He's not separating, he's
Speaker 2: not fighting through press like. There's just a lot going
Speaker 2: on there. And again I'm not saying it to say, hey,
Speaker 2: this is terrible. I'm saying like, they've got to figure
Speaker 2: out a way to feed him positivity coaching so he
Speaker 2: can try to get something positive here before the end
Speaker 2: of the year and maybe be a big part of
Speaker 2: this playoff push.
Speaker 1: Or I'm just afraid long term.
Speaker 2: You know, if you come through a season where you're
Speaker 2: on pace to have one of the absolute worst worst
Speaker 2: production wise seasons by a first round receiver in a
Speaker 2: long time. I feel like you've got to try to
Speaker 2: get over that hump, that it's so important for the
Speaker 2: future of this draft pick and for him as an
Speaker 2: individual that they've got to try to fix that. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll stop there and let you kind of
Speaker 2: jump in. But yeah, look, the drop cost him the game.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: You can say, oh, well, it's not just one play. Well,
Speaker 2: in this case, it was because a field goal ties
Speaker 2: it and sends it to overtime, and that thing was
Speaker 2: going for a touchdown. He's got two steps on the defender,
Speaker 2: it hits him in stride, he's fast enough where that
Speaker 2: thing is going in for a touchdown with twenty seconds
Speaker 2: on the clock and the game is probably over. And
Speaker 2: instead it was something that unfortunately we've seen a lot of.
Speaker 2: And again I say it because I just want to
Speaker 2: see him get something positive, to see him get over this,
Speaker 2: because it's such a mental hurdle right now for him
Speaker 2: where the concentration isn't there and it's leading to these
Speaker 2: just backbreaking plays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the sake of his confidence and really his development,
Speaker 3: he's going to have to forget it quickly, and they're
Speaker 3: going to have to go back to him and money.
Speaker 3: They don't really have a choice. They have to go
Speaker 3: back to him because you know, Justin's down a lot
Speaker 3: of guys right now, and you know we saw him
Speaker 3: make plays with stones smart and whoever you throw out there,
Speaker 3: Justin is going to find you. He found Quinton. Quintin
Speaker 3: didn't take advantage of the opportunity at the end, but
Speaker 3: that's okay. If he can bounce back and help this
Speaker 3: offense to beat the Ravens. I mean, that's all you
Speaker 3: can do at this point. You know, the other turnover
Speaker 3: was Austin Eckler at the five. I mean, that's something
Speaker 3: that can't happen either, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's a weird one.
Speaker 2: Chris, just to I just want to jump in there
Speaker 2: because you know, Shannon did a great job where she
Speaker 2: mentioned to us that they had wheeled out this giant
Speaker 2: cart with all these cleats and tools to swap out cleats.
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, there must be something going on
Speaker 2: with the field because I haven't seen this card out
Speaker 2: here in a game before, and it's out now and
Speaker 2: it looks like some players are dealing with their cleats. Well,
Speaker 2: Austin slipped on that play led to a fumble, and
Speaker 2: then on the second and ten to play, prior to
Speaker 2: Quinton's drop, he slips on a play that certainly would
Speaker 2: have gone for a first time.
Speaker 1: And it gets you wonder like, hey, what are we doing.
Speaker 2: You've got the card out, you know what the footing is,
Speaker 2: You've already slipped once it led to a fumble. Why
Speaker 2: has this not been remedied? Why have the cleats not
Speaker 2: been swapped out? And now there's a second slip in
Speaker 2: there that leads to another negative play and it's third
Speaker 2: and ten instead of first and ten and you're trying
Speaker 2: to get into field goal range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they talked about it on the broadcast too,
Speaker 3: I believe, pretty early in the game about the field conditions.
Speaker 3: And just know that's something that I think the Chargers
Speaker 3: were prepared for. And obviously, you know it showed out
Speaker 3: in those two plays by Austin that it obviously had
Speaker 3: an effect on him in the game. So certainly if
Speaker 3: we go to the defense money real.
Speaker 2: Quick though, Chris, before we move on, sorry, before we
Speaker 2: move on from Q, I do want to say this,
Speaker 2: like I think they have it's a very interesting crossroads.
Speaker 2: They cannot afford another loss, you know, they got to
Speaker 2: go six and one if they want to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how they play this because
Speaker 2: on that throw to Quinton, you know, if you go
Speaker 2: back and watch the film, Herbert's progressions take him through
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, and this is something that
Speaker 2: we've been talking about, right. I want to see more
Speaker 2: of those kill shots. Donald Parmer is wide open at
Speaker 2: the fifty. It's a twenty yard gain and they've got
Speaker 2: first and ten. He's probably going to get an extra five.
Speaker 2: So now you're probably at the forty five of Green
Speaker 2: Bay with about twenty five twenty seven seconds left, eight
Speaker 2: yards to tie this game up, and parum is, I mean,
Speaker 2: there is nobody around him, and Herbert saw it and
Speaker 2: then he saw Johnston and he's like, there it is.
Speaker 2: There's the game winner. So he goes off that progression
Speaker 2: and he tries, you know, and it fails. And so
Speaker 2: that so I'm interested to see because look, Alex Erickson
Speaker 2: had a huge catch on a third down in this game,
Speaker 2: Simmi Fojoko's got a touchdown and you know on his ledger,
Speaker 2: So to me, I think Jalen Giden got a touchdown
Speaker 2: against the Lions there's some familiarity there.
Speaker 1: You know, he's dealing with that corn.
Speaker 2: But I'm just interested to see what the snapcout's going
Speaker 2: to look like against the Ravens and it gotta have
Speaker 2: it game and whether or not they feel more comfortable
Speaker 2: with the veteran ericson or Fojoko or the familiarity if
Speaker 2: he's healthy, of Jalen Geidon, And you're just gonna see
Speaker 2: that snapcount drop again for Quinton because of how dire
Speaker 2: the circumstances are at this point in the season.
Speaker 4: Man, It's it's a fascinating question.
Speaker 3: Because I just go back to what I said earlier
Speaker 3: about you got to put him right back out there.
Speaker 3: This is your first round pick, and and if you're
Speaker 3: gonna you don't want to risk his development and his confidence.
Speaker 3: And if he's open, he's getting open obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: you know he drew those pass interferences against the Lions.
Speaker 4: Albeit there were some drops in those pis.
Speaker 2: But that's what was That's what that's what covered those up, right,
Speaker 2: Those were all drops. Those are all passes that hit
Speaker 2: him in the hands, that they that he dropped, that
Speaker 2: they threw flags on.
Speaker 3: I think I think you tried to you got to
Speaker 3: go back to him. You got to against this against
Speaker 3: the Ravens and just see how it shakes out.
Speaker 4: And a guy to have a game. The defense, obviously,
Speaker 4: no frustrations.
Speaker 3: Have boiled over, I think on a lot of levels
Speaker 3: with regards to the defense and certainly the head coach,
Speaker 3: the passing defense. Jordan Love three hundred and twenty two yards.
Speaker 3: I think it was twenty seven straight games three hundred
Speaker 3: yard game in Green Bay and and Love breaks that streak,
Speaker 3: and you know he had dudes open. And again it
Speaker 3: was that last drive though, that was just a killer.
Speaker 3: You know, we've seen the third and longs way too
Speaker 3: many times this season get converted or a PI or
Speaker 3: some sort of mental error that leads to a third
Speaker 3: and long being converted. And then obviously the tackling the
Speaker 3: fundamentals they've been an issue.
Speaker 4: And then the miscommunication.
Speaker 3: I believe thirlwe was trying to get Kenneth in position
Speaker 3: and Michael Davis and Kenneth kind of ran into each other.
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs had had a couple of steps on Michael
Speaker 3: Davis and that was it. You know that that can't
Speaker 3: be a reason why you lose a football game, not
Speaker 3: being lined up properly, and you know, as we move
Speaker 3: forwards in this season, money, you're four and six. The
Speaker 3: Ravens maybe the best team in the AFC right now.
Speaker 3: I think if you saw the Chiefs and what they're
Speaker 3: doing offensively right now, you may have some questions. The
Speaker 3: Ravens are as balanced as it gets, and you know,
Speaker 3: more as a threat to run, and also the way
Speaker 3: he's throwing the football. You can't have those mental errors
Speaker 3: in this game on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: No doubt, before we push it forward.
Speaker 2: I do just think it's fair to kind of break
Speaker 2: down what coach said after the game about the defense
Speaker 2: and about the competition in the secondary and how he's
Speaker 2: got to find the right players that he believes in
Speaker 2: the plays that he's calling, he believes in the scheme
Speaker 2: that they're running that he just believes that they need
Speaker 2: these plays need to be executed correctly. That's going to
Speaker 2: be interesting because there's going to be personnel changes. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going after Michael Davis, if
Speaker 2: he's going after you know, look, Michael Davis was the
Speaker 2: odd man out early remember when jac was in there,
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the guy he's going to replace with
Speaker 2: Dean Leonard. Jo's already been replaced at slot corner by Derwin.
Speaker 2: You know, for the majority of that game against Green Bay,
Speaker 2: that's what we saw in Dean Marlow playing safety, so Jos,
Speaker 2: you know, snap count went way down. The one thing
Speaker 2: I would say to that is, you know, when I
Speaker 2: went back and watched the game, there's way too many
Speaker 2: people open. On nearly every single third down, there are
Speaker 2: two and three guys wide open, and so that to
Speaker 2: me is not execution. I would just politely disagree with
Speaker 2: coach on that and say, I don't I don't quite
Speaker 2: know how execution plays in and man, there's a couple
Speaker 2: plays when you're watching and you're just like, I don't
Speaker 2: quite know what. There's a first and ten that Jaden
Speaker 2: Reid ended up going maybe like twenty five thirty yards
Speaker 2: on this first and ten, and you got Eric Kendricks
Speaker 2: and Kenneth Murray with their feet stuck in the ground
Speaker 2: and about ten yards of grass in front of them,
Speaker 2: and to each of their you know, to Kendrick's left
Speaker 2: and to Murray's right are Musgrave and I think it
Speaker 2: was Watson wide open ten yards downfield. And then you've
Speaker 2: got the safeties that are putting the lid on it
Speaker 2: and no, and that's what it was. Kendricks is trying
Speaker 2: to run with Reed and is lost. He gets spun around.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even know where he's at, and that's how
Speaker 2: he flashes open point being they only rushed four, right,
Speaker 2: So you've got seven guys in coverage and all four
Speaker 2: receivers are wide open. And that tended to show repeatedly
Speaker 2: on the film on every major third down. If you're
Speaker 2: not blitzing, you're rushing four, you've got seven guys and
Speaker 2: just too many guys are looking at grass and guarding grass.
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't know, you know, if that's
Speaker 2: on the individual because I don't know what the play
Speaker 2: call is. I don't know what they're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: I kind of have an idea, and it feels like it's,
Speaker 2: you know, either they're playing a soft coverage or they're
Speaker 2: passing guys off to people that aren't there. Players I
Speaker 2: think are confused. I thought d had a really good
Speaker 2: line in the game. He said, our defense leads the
Speaker 2: league in points and I don't mean preventing them. I
Speaker 2: mean pointing out where guys are supposed to be because
Speaker 2: it seems like on every snap someone's being told that
Speaker 2: they're in the wrong place. So I don't I think
Speaker 2: the big concern, Chris is how do you fix that
Speaker 2: when it's Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: You know? How?
Speaker 2: How do you fix that when you're four and six
Speaker 2: and you got seven games to go? I don't know
Speaker 2: how you do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna be in December next week. Man,
Speaker 3: right the money, I'm sorry dj I moved the sticks head.
Speaker 3: Another point about Jordan Loved there was a lot of
Speaker 3: meat on the bone. I think there was like a
Speaker 3: loop Musgrave wide open play where he could have had
Speaker 3: an eighty r touchdown.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there were several plays in that game.
Speaker 2: That's every snap, Chris. It's it's every snap there's guys
Speaker 2: wide open. So I know it's it's frustrating and and
Speaker 2: I bring it up not to say what do we do?
Speaker 2: You know, and it's not like that, it's hey, I
Speaker 2: don't know how you fix it? Like I I I
Speaker 2: understand you want like to me, it's not just the secondary.
Speaker 2: You have competition at the linebacker level. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you you if you're going to open a competition in
Speaker 2: the secondary, can get zero better zero exactly. You got
Speaker 2: you got someone out there that can't that that is
Speaker 2: really really struggling to cover, really struggling, and he's getting
Speaker 2: picked on over and over and over again. And I
Speaker 2: would say, if you're going to have a competition, let's
Speaker 2: let's have a competition at that position as well, because
Speaker 2: I think I think there's opportunities there that you might
Speaker 2: be able to get to find a fix or at
Speaker 2: least try to find a fix. Because it's been all
Speaker 2: season long.
Speaker 3: So but money, this is the question for me, how
Speaker 3: many more personnel changes can you make at this point
Speaker 3: that are going to drastically improve the secondary? Because we've
Speaker 3: talked about this throughout the season. Everybody in that secondary
Speaker 3: was here last year. There should be.
Speaker 4: No confusion as to what the scheme is and how you.
Speaker 3: Execute the scheme and how you play in this defense.
Speaker 3: So you know, you can replace Michael Davis or you know,
Speaker 3: move him or moves on. But how much better can
Speaker 3: it get with guys who maybe don't have the skill set.
Speaker 4: That a Michael Davis has or an Asante Siemuel Junior has.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's hard, and I get you know,
Speaker 3: the players have to make the plays. But I just
Speaker 3: I find myself here. You know this, he was four
Speaker 3: and six and you're in twelfth or thirteenth place in
Speaker 3: the AFC. And I know, I realize everybody's kind of
Speaker 3: bottled up right now. But you know, it's it's like
Speaker 3: you said, it's Thanksgiving. It's not a great place to
Speaker 3: be going up against, you know, perhaps the best team
Speaker 3: in the AFC right now in the Multipore Ravens who you.
Speaker 4: Know, and the Chargers.
Speaker 3: You know what, this is zero not an excuse by
Speaker 3: any stretch, but man, they've had some bad luck with
Speaker 3: these buys and extended buys and when it comes to
Speaker 3: playing these good teams, no.
Speaker 2: No doubt to the question about you know, is there time?
Speaker 2: So I don't know, like you can't bring new guys
Speaker 2: in right Like that's not going to happen. So it's
Speaker 2: just a question of are the players that have been
Speaker 2: sitting on the bench better than the ones that you
Speaker 2: have on the field. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 2: find a dramatic difference in the secondary if you go
Speaker 2: from you know, Michael Davis to Dean Leonard. I you know,
Speaker 2: for me, the one the one interesting stat that kind
Speaker 2: of jumps out at you is you look at their
Speaker 2: blitz rate and they're dead middle like they are. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: are we a team that blitzes? Are we not a
Speaker 2: team that blitzes? And they're like sixteen, and it's like,
Speaker 2: to me, you want to see that number either in
Speaker 2: the top five or in the bottom five. Your team
Speaker 2: that blitzes and you got sticky coverage and you don't
Speaker 2: have to hold it as long because that's because you
Speaker 2: feel like your guys are going to get home because
Speaker 2: you're rushing the passer, or your team that only rush
Speaker 2: is four, and either a you feel good about your
Speaker 2: four getting home or b you feel good about your
Speaker 2: team being able to cover and stay connected throughout the
Speaker 2: course of a play to keep guys in front of them,
Speaker 2: prevent explosive plays, and force these twelve thirteen play drives
Speaker 2: where hopefully you can get home on one of those.
Speaker 2: Now they're off schedule, now you've got the advantage. And
Speaker 2: that's sort of the two ways to approach this. So
Speaker 2: the only thing I can think of that they could
Speaker 2: change that might make a difference, just because the coverage
Speaker 2: has been so poor is start blitzing. Start blitzing more.
Speaker 2: Start sending five and six guys over and over and
Speaker 2: over again, so your corners and your coverage players don't
Speaker 2: have to cover as long. And I think it's clear
Speaker 2: that rules are being broken, whatever rules they're supposed to
Speaker 2: be following in quarters coverage and this matchup zone, it's
Speaker 2: just not happening. Too many guys are being passed off
Speaker 2: to nobody. There's too many Sawce spots, and you know what, Chris,
Speaker 2: So much of this I think as a result of
Speaker 2: what we see in football, and that is you'll find
Speaker 2: something that works, teams will all jump on it, and
Speaker 2: then there's a solution, and that's vic Fangio had this
Speaker 2: as the Patrick Mahomes beater when he was in Denver, right,
Speaker 2: and that's how this defense came into fashion and everybody
Speaker 2: started playing it. Well, now you'll see the offenses know
Speaker 2: how to beat it. They've got plays to beat it. Though,
Speaker 2: Popper did a great job in that article after the
Speaker 2: Lions game that said Ben Johnson knew exactly what was
Speaker 2: coming and exactly how to beat it. He was a
Speaker 2: step ahead the whole time. And I think we're seeing
Speaker 2: that more and more with offenses because so many teams
Speaker 2: started using this style of defense, and they've got more
Speaker 2: and more more teams are playing it, so now they've
Speaker 2: got reps in practice against it, and now they're more
Speaker 2: comfortable beating it. So now you have to adjust to
Speaker 2: the adjustment.
Speaker 3: Well, money, the blitz question is a perfect segue into
Speaker 3: this because we're going to have life without Joey Bosa
Speaker 3: maybe for the rest of the season now, So knowing
Speaker 3: that Joey's gonna be out, Chris Rumps, you're thin at edge,
Speaker 3: do you blitz more just because you don't have Joey?
Speaker 4: You can't maybe tough to get home anyway?
Speaker 1: For I would say yes.
Speaker 2: But the blitzes that they ran against Green Bay, for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, Green Bay just knew they were coming. Jordan
Speaker 2: Love was and you know he, Jordan Love was hard
Speaker 2: counting a lot, and it just seemed like Chargers kept
Speaker 2: biting on the hardcot and they kept showing their hand
Speaker 2: over and over again, so he knew when the blitz
Speaker 2: was coming. You know, Blitzing isn't just sending one more
Speaker 2: than they have to block, or overloading aside and trying
Speaker 2: to find that advantage. It's also about disguising and them
Speaker 2: not knowing that you're blitzing or not knowing where the
Speaker 2: blitz is coming from. So I do think you have
Speaker 2: to be a team that's good at that. You know,
Speaker 2: you're not just a team that blitzes, but your team
Speaker 2: that's good at blitzing where you know when you're like
Speaker 2: that play we talked about against Detroit on the huge
Speaker 2: Gainer to Leif Raymond, Like you can't blitz from you
Speaker 2: can't blitz John Taylor from that spot, Like that's not
Speaker 2: going to be an effective blitz. So it's not like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean like they I think they
Speaker 2: need to get better at that as well, if that's
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do. I have full faith in Tuley
Speaker 2: that that he can win, you know that he'll win
Speaker 2: one on one and that they can't double both he
Speaker 2: and Khalil Max. So between those two, I think they've
Speaker 2: both been rushing the platte passer well enough. I think
Speaker 2: they're you know the thing with Baltimore, right, it's the
Speaker 2: run game, and this is this is a team that
Speaker 2: runs the hell out of the ball. So do you
Speaker 2: feel good about run blitzing? You know, or you're gonna
Speaker 2: be running up field and here goes Gus Edwards right
Speaker 2: by you, you know, or here comes Lamar Jackson using
Speaker 2: his feet just to to skate right by, and he's
Speaker 2: off to the races. So that's probably what you got
Speaker 2: to be a little careful of. This is a I
Speaker 2: think it's you know, probably a perfect opportunity to segue
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: But this is a tough matchup. This is a really
Speaker 1: really tough matchup.
Speaker 2: On Sunday, and and I think considering the injuries and
Speaker 2: the w they've been playing as of late, it would
Speaker 2: be a I think it would be a big It's
Speaker 2: a huge opportunity for the Chargers to overcome what I
Speaker 2: think is a mountain that has been placed in front
Speaker 2: of them that they have to climb to try to
Speaker 2: get this victory.
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Speaker 3: The Baltimore Ravens coming to town eight and three. Lamar
Speaker 3: Jackson is playing great football. His threat as a passer
Speaker 3: now has increased from previous years. We know that he's
Speaker 3: lethal running the football, and the Ravens in general, as
Speaker 3: you alluded to, they run the ball as good as
Speaker 3: any in the league. I'm just gonna rattle off some
Speaker 3: of these scores that you know. They beat the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 3: who scored forty one points a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: thirty eight to six.
Speaker 4: They beat the Seahawks thirty seven to three.
Speaker 3: They beat the Bengals by two touchdowns last Thursday night.
Speaker 3: They beat the Browns twenty eight to three earlier in
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 1: So you know, this.
Speaker 4: Offense is rolling.
Speaker 3: The defense is solid under McDonald. And again it's a
Speaker 3: it's a freaking tall order. It's a tall order. But yeah,
Speaker 3: if you do get it and you're five and six,
Speaker 3: you talk about momentum, I mean, this is this is
Speaker 3: the season, no question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they lose this one, they have to went out.
Speaker 2: I think when you look at what's in front of them,
Speaker 2: and then you know you got your four division winners,
Speaker 2: and then you know, I'm not looking at the standings
Speaker 2: right now. I suppose I could pull it up, but
Speaker 2: you know, I think they're in what thirteenth place as
Speaker 2: it stands right now, yeah, thirteenth place, So you've got
Speaker 2: going to number seven. You know, teams with four losses,
Speaker 2: they're two up on you. You lose this one and they win,
Speaker 2: and they're three up on you in the lost column,
Speaker 2: and it feels like that would almost be in surmountable.
Speaker 2: So right now you're division leaders, Ravens, Chiefs, Jags, Dolphins.
Speaker 2: So you know those are all seven and three teams
Speaker 2: three games up in the lost column. Now you get
Speaker 2: the Browns who are three games up on you in
Speaker 2: the lost column. The Texans and the Steelers and the
Speaker 2: Bills and the Colts and the Broncos and the Bengals,
Speaker 2: and you know those are all teams ahead of you.
Speaker 2: That's a lot you cannot and they look like they're
Speaker 2: at least half of those are trending towards ten and seven.
Speaker 2: So that's going to be the number, I think.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The good news is they have a lot of AFC
Speaker 2: games left. They've kind of worked through their NFC portion
Speaker 2: of the schedule. The conference record is a tiebreaker when
Speaker 2: it's more than a when it's a three way tie,
Speaker 2: or more so, it's an opportunity. But they have to
Speaker 2: win this game. They have to and they're taking on
Speaker 2: the number two scoring defense, the number three overall defense,
Speaker 2: and the number one pass defense. And we know the
Speaker 2: Chargers have struggled to run the ball. They passed the ball.
Speaker 2: It's what they do well. Herbert's been exceptional these last
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. The Ravens offense, number four scoring offense,
Speaker 2: number one rushing offense. So the you know, after the
Speaker 2: Packer game, when when coach Staley was frustrated at the
Speaker 2: line of questioning and the defense, he said, you know,
Speaker 2: we really stopped the run in this game. That was
Speaker 2: a positive. Well, they didn't really want to run the ball.
Speaker 2: They you know, they lost their two running backs. I mean,
Speaker 2: they lost Aaron Jones for the game, they lost Wilson
Speaker 2: for the game. And they're like, all right, well we
Speaker 2: still got our throwing it around. And they were throwing
Speaker 2: it around effectively, you know, and you look at the
Speaker 2: last time they faced a team that was really balanced.
Speaker 2: Now they do get a bit of an advantage without
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews. That is clearly Lamar Jackson's safety velve his
Speaker 2: favorite target. So in the passing game, there's maybe you
Speaker 2: get a little bit of a break there. But let's
Speaker 2: see if in fact, you know what coach was talking
Speaker 2: about that. You know, our rush defense did really really well. Okay,
Speaker 2: well let's see you do it against this team. We're
Speaker 2: talking about taking away the right hand. You know, the
Speaker 2: right hand of the Ravens is running the ball. So
Speaker 2: can you take that away? It's very hard, you know.
Speaker 2: And when you go through their losses, the one thing
Speaker 2: you recognize is teams created turnovers. You know, that's in
Speaker 2: their three losses. I mean, I'll just rattle them off
Speaker 2: right now. Pittsburgh wins seventeen to ten. Four sacks, six
Speaker 2: tackles for loss, one interception, one safety, four forced fumbles
Speaker 2: they recover too. That's how they win that game. Think
Speaker 2: about all that that went on with that defense. Indianapolis
Speaker 2: wins in ot twenty two to nineteen. Four sacks, six
Speaker 2: tackles for loss, four forced fumbles, two of them recovered.
Speaker 2: So there's that win. Cleveland three sacks, four tackles for loss,
Speaker 2: two interceptions, one of them a pick six. That's like,
Speaker 2: your defense is going to have to deliver, you know,
Speaker 2: points if you're going to win this game against this team.
Speaker 2: They're really good. I mean they've scored three hundred and
Speaker 2: four points. You know, you're talking about sixty five more points,
Speaker 2: fifty five more points than the Chargers this year. Now,
Speaker 2: they played an extra game, but they they score a lot,
Speaker 2: and their defense just so happens to be again the
Speaker 2: number one scoring defense or the number two scoring defense,
Speaker 2: the number three overall defense. So getting into a shootout
Speaker 2: with them is going to be kind of hard. Now,
Speaker 2: the Browns did it right last week and one, but
Speaker 2: they won on a pick six. So that's what this defense.
Speaker 2: That's the level I think that we're not that. I
Speaker 2: think I think this we know that that's the level
Speaker 2: of play that this defense is going to have to
Speaker 2: put in if they're going to pull off this.
Speaker 3: Upset money, if this team is going to have any
Speaker 3: chance moving forward to it. This is about these close losses.
Speaker 3: We got to call for what it is. You got
Speaker 3: five of them by three points or less. It seems
Speaker 3: like going back to last year, they're having a hard
Speaker 3: time figuring out how.
Speaker 4: To close football games. And you know.
Speaker 3: The complimentary football, especially late in games, has not been there.
Speaker 3: You know, they the performance by Justin on Sunday, it's
Speaker 3: a darn shame they lost that game because I think
Speaker 3: he played as good as he could have played. I
Speaker 3: think he had the best PFF grade. Take that for
Speaker 3: what it's worth, but I think.
Speaker 2: He was incredible of the season, right, Yeah, Chris, he
Speaker 2: was incredible, like the And if there's one thing I
Speaker 2: hope comes out of that loss that could alter the
Speaker 2: fortunes of this team moving forward, it's how he ran
Speaker 2: the ball. Yeah, I mean he trucking, dudes. You know
Speaker 2: that that first down he picked up on third down
Speaker 2: on that third and eleven, he got hit at the
Speaker 2: eighth and he carried two guys with him over the
Speaker 2: line to gain And that's something that we just have
Speaker 2: not seen from him. I mean, he wanted that win.
Speaker 2: He did everything he possibly could to will this team
Speaker 2: to When he talked about it a little bit earlier,
Speaker 2: the emotion there was that delay a game. I have
Speaker 2: not seen him react like that on a field. I
Speaker 2: mean he threw that football that will claps feet and
Speaker 2: started barking at him and more of that police, more
Speaker 2: of that, you know, and that cause that's what it's
Speaker 2: gonna take. It's if this team is going to go
Speaker 2: six and one, it's going to be because of Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: Let's just be let's call it for what it is.
Speaker 2: He's so good, he's in the conversation. Is one of
Speaker 2: the best players in the league. And that's my dog
Speaker 2: is upset about something, and that's what it's going to take, right,
Speaker 2: That's that's what it's going to take.
Speaker 4: He's just echoing, he's echoing your your thoughts on justin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, no idea, why I've I've got to
Speaker 2: deal with that, But I do, I will.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's a turning point. I just I
Speaker 3: just I love to see the fire man. I loved it,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it put his teammates on notice too, like,
Speaker 3: hey man, I'm carrying this thing.
Speaker 4: I'm carrying this thing. Offense and defense, come on, let's
Speaker 4: go get on my level.
Speaker 1: And exactly.
Speaker 3: That's that's what was so disappointing about the end of
Speaker 3: that game, because the touchdown to Keenan that should have
Speaker 3: been it. That should have been it, and the defense
Speaker 3: should have fed off of that and gotten Jordan Love
Speaker 3: off the field. They get on the bus and they
Speaker 3: come back and it's a it's a new season.
Speaker 4: So they have this just nasty taste in their mouth.
Speaker 3: From losing losing games to a team that was three
Speaker 3: and six, and then the Tennessee Titans earlier in the year.
Speaker 3: They're gonna look back on those two games specifically, is like,
Speaker 3: how do we lose those games?
Speaker 4: How do we lose those games?
Speaker 3: So you know, like you said, if you beat the
Speaker 3: multiple Ravens, maybe a game you weren't supposed to win
Speaker 3: gets you to five and six, you know, at least
Speaker 3: we could talk and it haves some playoff dreams for
Speaker 3: another week.
Speaker 2: But no doubt, go ahead, Yeah, no doubt. I think
Speaker 2: you know it lays out well in front of them
Speaker 2: as well. So you beat the Ravens and now you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the feutre. They've already gone to
Speaker 2: a different quarterback in New England. I know the Broncos
Speaker 2: have been playing a lot better. But you get them
Speaker 2: at home, you know, and then you get a trip
Speaker 2: to to Las Vegas. Like, but the thing is, Chris,
Speaker 2: and we keep saying this, Oh it lays out look
Speaker 2: at this stretch right here, and I think you put
Speaker 2: it perfectly.
Speaker 1: They got to figure out how to win. They know
Speaker 1: how to lose.
Speaker 2: We know that they because you're not one in five
Speaker 2: in one score games without knowing how to lose, because
Speaker 2: you had to lead and so many of those, or
Speaker 2: you're tied in so many of those, so you have
Speaker 2: the ball last in so many of those, and they
Speaker 2: just can't get over the hump.
Speaker 1: So I think of all the things that.
Speaker 2: They've got to figure out here in short order, knowing
Speaker 2: how to win, how to execute when you absolutely have
Speaker 2: to the gotta have it moments, Being able to deliver
Speaker 2: in those moments on both sides of the ball and
Speaker 2: special teams is what will ultimately decide the fate of
Speaker 2: this team and whether or not a squad that so
Speaker 2: many people thought was one of the best in the
Speaker 2: AFC is And I hate the whole revisionist history because
Speaker 2: it I just I know they're injured, everybody's injured, but
Speaker 2: the well, maybe this team isn't as good as we thought. No,
Speaker 2: they're not as good as you thought because they're four
Speaker 2: and six because they continually come up short. They are
Speaker 2: that good. This roster is that good. You know, teams
Speaker 2: would love to have a Rashaun Slater at left tackle
Speaker 2: and Austin Eckler in the backfield and Keenan Allen and
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert and like teams would love if we just
Speaker 2: go through, if I'm going through the standings, all right.
Speaker 2: Let me show you Mac Jones has been benched. The
Speaker 2: Titans are on too Will Levis. The New York Jets
Speaker 2: just made Zach Wilson their third string quarterback. The Las
Speaker 2: Vegas Raiders are on Aidan O'Connell. The Bengals have not
Speaker 2: had a Joe Burrow healthy but for two games this year.
Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos, you know, had Russell Wilson, who had
Speaker 2: the worst season of his career last year, started out sluggishly.
Speaker 2: He's playing much better now because he's just not turning
Speaker 2: the football over. The Colts are in the nine spot.
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson was their rookie. They're on a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills at eight have had and just ridiculously
Speaker 2: bad showing from Josh Allen when it comes to turnovers
Speaker 2: this season. Like it's quarterback play that's leading these teams
Speaker 2: to be where they are. Baltimore Ravens, Lamar Jackson, Chiefs, Mahomes, Jaguars, Lawrence, Dolphins, TUA.
Speaker 2: You know, the Browns is the one outlier there because
Speaker 2: their defense is the best in football. So like that's
Speaker 2: good what I'm getting at is the Chargers have one
Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks in football. There is no reason
Speaker 2: they don't they one of these things is not like
Speaker 2: the unner. One of these things doesn't belong like the
Speaker 2: Chargers don't belong at thirteen. When Justin Herbert is playing
Speaker 2: at the level that he's playing at, That's that's what's incongruous.
Speaker 2: That's the anomaly. Why is it that one of the
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks in the NFL this season, not just by
Speaker 2: reputation but by the way he is playing this season,
Speaker 2: is sitting down in the thirteen spot. What is his
Speaker 2: team doing to let him down? Because it's not that
Speaker 2: way in any other if I go through if I
Speaker 2: go through the NFC, it's the same way. You know,
Speaker 2: if you look at the best quarterbacks, they're at the top.
Speaker 2: It's Jalen Hurts, it's Jared Goff, it's Rock Party, it's
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, it's Kirk Cousins, you know, and then it
Speaker 2: just kind of falls apart from there and you get
Speaker 2: to the five hundred teams. But the top are the
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks Hurts, GoF Purty, Dak Okay, Yeah, quarterbacks winning
Speaker 2: this league. And somehow the Chargers have not been able
Speaker 2: to put together a team that can win with one
Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks who is playing some of the
Speaker 2: best football in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's just it's not it's not connecting.
Speaker 3: But it's an automatic, built in advantage. When you have
Speaker 3: Herbert on thefield, You're gonna be in every game. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be in a one small game every game, every game,
Speaker 3: and you got to figure out a way to win.
Speaker 3: And that's what has plagued them obviously this year is
Speaker 3: they cannot get over the hump and figure out how
Speaker 3: to win because they've been in every game. They've been
Speaker 3: in every single game, even the Kansas City game where
Speaker 3: the defense buckle down on the second half. Now I'm
Speaker 3: looking at the kind of the style of quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: they've played this year, you know, with Lamar Jackson coming
Speaker 3: to town, and you know, the threats to run really
Speaker 3: you know, Mahomes kind of scrambles and gets yardage. I
Speaker 3: think he had like a twenty three yard rush against
Speaker 3: the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Early this year.
Speaker 3: Dak kind of used his legs to beat the Charges
Speaker 3: a little bit. He had seven for forty in a touchdown.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about Lamar, because they haven't had a
Speaker 3: ton of guys that are as mobile as what Lamar
Speaker 3: can do. And you know him as a passer now,
Speaker 3: and the weapons that he has on the outside. I
Speaker 3: know Andrews is out, but you know, you got Odell.
Speaker 3: We talked about Zay Flowers. He's got some weapons on
Speaker 3: the outside. And if a play breaks down, that's what
Speaker 3: I think the Chargers defense has to worry about, is
Speaker 3: who's gonna have eyes on Lamar? And is Lamar going
Speaker 3: to make the right decision if they spy him? And
Speaker 3: you know, there's not a guy streaking down the field.
Speaker 3: So just that added layer for the defense is going
Speaker 3: to be a challenge this Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one thing he's taken twenty seven sacks,
Speaker 2: so you're talking about, you know, and that's just part
Speaker 2: of him holding the ball, trying to because he runs
Speaker 2: so much, so those opportunity and that's where a lot
Speaker 2: of those force fumbles come into play. So that's so
Speaker 2: you have to take advantage of. You know, if there's
Speaker 2: indecisiveness there, then you've got you know, in two of
Speaker 2: those three losses he passed below sixty percent. He was
Speaker 2: like fifty seven and one and fifty six in the
Speaker 2: other so you can there's things you can do. We know,
Speaker 2: there's kind of there's sort of Lamar rules, you know,
Speaker 2: force him to pass outside the numbers, and that was
Speaker 2: something that that was the problem with it is like
Speaker 2: that was the book on Jordan Love is like he
Speaker 2: doesn't see the middle of the field. He so you know,
Speaker 2: he's he just kind of gets a little bit confused
Speaker 2: in there. So it's like, let's but they weren't able
Speaker 2: to do that, you know, and it's like the guy
Speaker 2: throws for three hundred and twenty two yards, like you
Speaker 2: know what the rules are going in You know that
Speaker 2: Jared Goff wants to throw to Monra over and over
Speaker 2: and over again and forced Josh Reynolds and Jamison Williams
Speaker 2: to beat you and instead it's aman Ra for one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty. You know that Patrick Mahwens has got nobody,
Speaker 2: no trust. They have more drops than any other wide
Speaker 2: receiver corp in the league. It's only Travis Kelcey and
Speaker 2: the guy goes for one hundred and fifty in the
Speaker 2: first half. It's you know, Dak Prescott. He wants to
Speaker 2: throw the ball to Ceedee Lamb. He does not trust
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup. He doesn't you know, ceedee lamb one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty yards in a touchdown. It's you know, Tua
Speaker 2: wants to get the ball out to Tyreek Hill, Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill two hundred and fifteen yards. So it's like they
Speaker 2: have got to you know, take away the number one,
Speaker 2: you know, and and force them to beat you with
Speaker 2: the number two and the number three.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Packers wanted to run the ball, you know, that's what
Speaker 2: they want to do. Run the ball, have some explosives
Speaker 2: off of play action, and they lost two of their
Speaker 2: three running backs and they were forced to throw the
Speaker 2: ball all over the yard.
Speaker 1: And it was easy. And so that's, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what's on.
Speaker 2: That's what's on, you know, the menu for for coach
Speaker 2: Staley and his staff figure out how to force Lamar
Speaker 2: to throw the ball outside the numbers because he wants
Speaker 2: to use the middle of the field and make sure
Speaker 2: he doesn't beat you with his legs. And if you
Speaker 2: can do that, there's interceptions, there's bad plays out there
Speaker 2: that that he'll make. There's forced fumbles to be had.
Speaker 2: But you have to take away what they want to do.
Speaker 2: If you don't, they're just going to keep doing it
Speaker 2: and it's easy because it's what they do best.
Speaker 3: The Chargers played the Ravens a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: in Baltimore. I think it was coach Staley's first year,
Speaker 3: and you know, they had a great start to the
Speaker 3: year and that East Coast trip they kind of ran
Speaker 3: into a buzzsall with Baltimore funny money. I was with
Speaker 3: Jaliladai yesterday. We were doing our Max Preps High School
Speaker 3: show and we were talking about the playoff game. Remember
Speaker 3: where Gus had no linebackers and it was just all
Speaker 3: dbs against LeVar. It just I think back just to
Speaker 3: the evolution of him as a quarterback and what they
Speaker 3: were well accomplish that day versus like, you know what
Speaker 3: he's become, and it's just it's such a tall order
Speaker 3: to try to contain a guy like that who seemingly
Speaker 3: can make something happen every single play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not easy, and you know Gus did.
Speaker 2: Adrian Phillips was the biggest player behind the defensive line
Speaker 2: that he had to go on that day. But you
Speaker 2: know the other thing that on that day that I'll
Speaker 2: remember is that Marty morning, weg for whatever reason, played
Speaker 2: right into their hands. Like he just assumed, well, they're
Speaker 2: going to do everything they can to take away the run,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to throw it all over the place.
Speaker 2: And it was just a disaster. And it was like, dude,
Speaker 2: just run it. I mean, you just did it three
Speaker 2: weeks ago at Dignity Health. Ran it down their throats
Speaker 2: with Gus Edwards and Lamar Jackson, and they came out
Speaker 2: throwing it all over. So sometimes coaches cannot think themselves.
Speaker 2: But no doubt Gus had a brilliant I you know,
Speaker 2: just keep everything in front of you.
Speaker 1: Force that.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the one thing with the Ravens
Speaker 2: that you want to do right is force them to
Speaker 2: have long sustain drives because they make mistakes. Lamar makes mistakes,
Speaker 2: So that's what you want to do. Don't give them
Speaker 2: easy ones. You know, when you give Jordan Love a
Speaker 2: five place seventy five yard drive that he was facing
Speaker 2: a third and twenty on from his own five yard
Speaker 2: line and it only takes them five plays to score
Speaker 2: a touchdown, Yeah, you're not doing your job. You're not
Speaker 2: giving ample opportunity for him to make a mistake and
Speaker 2: throw a bad pick or get a turnover or something like.
Speaker 3: That, Monny, anything else from this matchup before we wrap
Speaker 3: it up and get people going for the Thanksgiving holiday.
Speaker 3: I just look at some of these pass catchers with
Speaker 3: no Mark Andrews, you know, Odell Say, Flowers, Nelson Aguilar.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Isaiah likely will get some more
Speaker 3: targets his way with Andrews being out, and obviously with
Speaker 3: Gus Edwards in the emergence of this guy Keaton Mitchell,
Speaker 3: stopping the one is going to be paramount.
Speaker 2: That's that's where it'll art. And again, I think, just
Speaker 2: to sort of reiterate what I'm interested in, I'm interested
Speaker 2: in seeing, if you know, how what what the what
Speaker 2: the snap count looks like at receiver. I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna I think that's gonna tell quite the tale. You know,
Speaker 2: are are we scrambling?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Does does the coaching staff look at it as hey,
Speaker 2: we're and win now, We've got no time to be
Speaker 2: developing right now. But I think there's a flip side
Speaker 2: of that where we talked about clearly there may be
Speaker 2: players on the bet that you've seen enough through ten
Speaker 2: games from player X. Let's give player why an opportunity
Speaker 2: because if not, it might be too late. We can't
Speaker 2: keep watching, we can't know what the ending is to
Speaker 2: the movie and expect it to be different because we
Speaker 2: don't like it, because we want a half a ending,
Speaker 2: and we keep getting the sad ending or the horrific ending,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know what the ending of that
Speaker 2: movie is. So let's see if we put a different
Speaker 2: actor in there, maybe something changes. Which is interesting because
Speaker 2: it's it's two sides of the same knife, right, it's okay, Well,
Speaker 2: I just said, maybe you don't have time for for
Speaker 2: young and inexperienced, you know, to develop, And the flip
Speaker 2: side of that is okay, maybe the you know, young
Speaker 2: and athletic is the better option than the supposed steady
Speaker 2: hand of a veteran that has struggled mightily so far
Speaker 2: this season. So there's some there's some positions that you
Speaker 2: should put your eyes on that I think will tell
Speaker 2: you how this team is approaching the remainder of this season.
Speaker 2: In a critical game against the best opponent that they
Speaker 2: will have seen this season.
Speaker 4: Oh, Kyle van Noy return game, huh.
Speaker 2: Ugh, somehow I just feel like that doesn't end well,
Speaker 2: you know it just but but you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: Kyle's not and I'm a huge Kyle van Noy fan.
Speaker 2: He's so great when he was with us and just
Speaker 2: could not have been better with the media, nicer to
Speaker 2: everybody that came across you know his path, So I
Speaker 2: wish him nothing but success. I really enjoyed having Kyle
Speaker 2: van Noy around on the Chargers. Let's just hope he
Speaker 2: doesn't have success this week.
Speaker 3: We'll see money see if the Chargers can give us
Speaker 3: something to talk about next week in a positive way
Speaker 3: as they headed New England. But it's a tall task,
Speaker 3: but it'll go a long way towards saving this season
Speaker 3: if they can get a win against the Ravens.
Speaker 4: Happy Thanksgiving, brother, appreciate you as always, man.
Speaker 1: You too.
Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to all the folks listening and watching. We
Speaker 2: certainly appreciate you. Remember this Thanksgiving butter and salt, whatever
Speaker 2: you think you're supposed to put on it, double it
Speaker 2: and then double it again, and that's what Thanksgiving is
Speaker 2: all about.
Speaker 4: Then triple it exactly there you go, exactly right, Chris.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys. Thank you for listening and watching
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Speaker 4: For money, I'm Chris. He's been charged a week