Speaker 1: After nine days in court, the State of Georgia versus
Speaker 1: Jan Barry Sandlin for the murder of Matthew Golder had
Speaker 1: gone to the jury.
Speaker 2: Every juror in every criminal trial has the responsibility to
Speaker 2: evaluate the evidence to make sure that the state has
Speaker 2: proved the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubts. So I
Speaker 2: suspect that they were singularly focused on is there enough
Speaker 2: evidence to demonstrate that Jan Barry Sandlin committed this crime?
Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Glass and this is burden of Guilt? Episode seven?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? After one day, on one night
Speaker 1: the jury returned. Prosecutor Lie and Mangun didn't have any
Speaker 1: idea which way the decision would go.
Speaker 2: There have been trials in the course of my life
Speaker 2: where I thought I certainly had provided enough eminence to
Speaker 2: demonstrate a defendant guilt and it was a not guilty verdict,
Speaker 2: and then other ones that felt like a much closer
Speaker 2: call that were a guilty verdict.
Speaker 3: Have you completed the verdict? Would you hand it to
Speaker 3: the deputy and let him pass it to me?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 3: This is a three count indictment. I'll read the verdict
Speaker 3: on each of the three counts. Count one is the
Speaker 3: malice murder count. The verdict of the jury. We the
Speaker 3: jury find the defendant Jan Barry Sandlin not guilty of
Speaker 3: count one.
Speaker 1: Lead Assistant District Attorney Jeff Brickman.
Speaker 5: When the verdict was read Count one malise murder. Jury
Speaker 5: found him not guilty.
Speaker 1: Malice murder, meaning that there was an intent to kill.
Speaker 5: My stomach dropped, Lean's did everybody in our office? I
Speaker 5: can assure you did. As a prosecutor. When count one
Speaker 5: is not guilty, bad thoughts start happening.
Speaker 3: Count two is a fellow in the murder. We the
Speaker 3: jury find the defendant guilty of count two. He's a
Speaker 3: fella in new murder count. We the jury found the
Speaker 3: defendant guilty of count three.
Speaker 1: Guilty with mandatory state sentencing guidelines, Judge Fuller went directly
Speaker 1: to the next step, Council.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on sentencement and of the stays?
Speaker 2: Ready now if the court would like to proceed at
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 1: Defense counsel Carin Mall could not resist another chance to
Speaker 1: show her disdain.
Speaker 3: M misery out of the way.
Speaker 1: You might as well get the misery out of the way.
Speaker 1: If Karen thought it was misery Tracy Raquel thought it
Speaker 1: was justice that was finally delivered for the vicious murder
Speaker 1: of Matthew. It was the culmination of a decade's long
Speaker 1: struggle with family secrets, a solitary search for answers, and
Speaker 1: years of collecting evidence, and all this was due to
Speaker 1: the work of one brave girl who never forgot her
Speaker 1: baby brother.
Speaker 3: Salem, you've been found guilty of two council fell any murder.
Speaker 3: Each of those two counts. Are I sent you to
Speaker 3: life imprisonment.
Speaker 1: The court room was quiet, There were no eruptions. Leeann
Speaker 1: Mangun describes the moment.
Speaker 2: It's hard because it's not a celebratory feeling when a
Speaker 2: jury reaches a guilty verdict. I remember being glad for Tracy,
Speaker 2: and glad for Kathy, and glad that the person who
Speaker 2: was in my mind unquestionably responsible for Matthew's death had
Speaker 2: been found guilty.
Speaker 1: Local and national media covered the verdict. Tracy Riquel wasn't
Speaker 1: interested in notoriety. She didn't talk that day, but Kathy spoke.
Speaker 4: Kathy Allman says the trial has been emotionally dreaming, but
Speaker 4: she finally feels relief after her ex husband's conviction.
Speaker 1: Yes, most definite right verdict.
Speaker 6: He was on drugs at the time he beat me
Speaker 6: for nine and a half years, that he's.
Speaker 4: Where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the moment you heard the judge say guilty.
Speaker 4: There was a huge sense of relief and validation.
Speaker 1: Knowing Tracy Riquel as I do now, I wasn't surprised
Speaker 1: when Leanne reached into her case file and pulled out
Speaker 1: a card that she received after the trial. It's something
Speaker 1: she's kept all these years and was happy to read
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 2: Dellianne, it has been more than a year since I
Speaker 2: received that first phone call from you telling me you
Speaker 2: would be handling this case. It was, after all worth it.
Speaker 2: Good luck with your very bright future.
Speaker 1: I feel fortunate to.
Speaker 4: Have known you.
Speaker 2: You helped me to heal and to grow.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I will be telling my children about you.
Speaker 2: Best wishes, Tracy Rain.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be nice if Jan Barry SANDLM was carted
Speaker 1: off to prison and the story ended there well. Shortly
Speaker 1: after Jan's conviction came the You've got to be kidding
Speaker 1: me moment.
Speaker 4: After Jane's conviction, I got a phone call saying that
Speaker 4: had been granted the new trial.
Speaker 7: And the motion for new trial. The defense attorney Corin
Speaker 7: Mall said that she was incompetent.
Speaker 1: Listening to the trial, you could describe Careinn in many ways,
Speaker 1: but incompetent would not be one of them. Now, she
Speaker 1: was saying she provided jan Berry Sanlin with ineffective assistance
Speaker 1: of counsel. We told you that an autopsy had been
Speaker 1: performed at the funeral home two days after Matthew died.
Speaker 1: The autopsy was performed by doctor Robert Stivers. After Sandlin
Speaker 1: was convicted, doctor Stivers called public defender mull wondering why
Speaker 1: he hadn't been contacted to testify during the trial, even
Speaker 1: more puzzling why his calls to her directly during the
Speaker 1: trial had been ignored. Stivers had taken photographs of Matthew
Speaker 1: with bruises and stress fractures that he said indicated that
Speaker 1: death was an accident. It was how he felt in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, and his feelings hadn't changed. Corin Male
Speaker 1: lobbied for a new trial, saying she had failed her
Speaker 1: client by not calling doctor Stuivers to testify. Her excuse
Speaker 1: was that a colleague told her that doctor Stuivers was ill.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was true, but Corin Maule struck everyone as
Speaker 1: someone who would go to the ends of the earth
Speaker 1: for a client, So it didn't really make sense.
Speaker 7: I know, miss mal she's a very good public defender,
Speaker 7: and for her to say she was ineffective in that
Speaker 7: second trial only because her client was found guilty of
Speaker 7: a crime that he committed.
Speaker 1: Doctor Stuivers had personal problems that derailed his career. Alcoholism
Speaker 1: lost him his medical license. Could that be the reason
Speaker 1: he wasn't previously called to testify? Did she view him
Speaker 1: as unreliable?
Speaker 7: Again? Judge Fuller granted it.
Speaker 1: And that meant a third trial. The prosecutor's office was flabbergasted.
Speaker 1: And as for Tracy Raquel.
Speaker 4: I just thought this is never going to end, like
Speaker 4: we're just going to do this. I guess so okay.
Speaker 4: And he had a new lawyer, and this lawyer had
Speaker 4: taken the case because he wined the publicity.
Speaker 1: Steve Sadau was a young, successful criminal defense attorney. He
Speaker 1: took the case pro bono.
Speaker 8: The reason I got involved in the case is because,
Speaker 8: ego wise, I thought that I could try it better
Speaker 8: than anyone else could, and if he stood any chance
Speaker 8: to win, it would be with me.
Speaker 1: Decades later, Steve Sadau is still a force in Georgia.
Speaker 1: Former President Donald Trump recently hired him to fight conspiracy
Speaker 1: charges associated with the twenty twenty election. This time there
Speaker 1: was a new prosecution team, Ada, Lawrence Delon opened with this.
Speaker 1: Matthew Stephen Golder laughed out loud for the first time
Speaker 1: for his mother on December twenty seventh, nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: Little did she know it would be his last. Defense.
Speaker 1: Attorney Steve say it Out made his opening statement and
Speaker 1: immediately referenced all the doubt the jury would confront no
Speaker 1: murder weapon, no witness, no DNA. The jury would hear
Speaker 1: from doctor Robert Stuivers, the medical examiner who had performed
Speaker 1: the autopsy on Matthew just two days after he died.
Speaker 8: The state's case was clearly that Sandln had done something.
Speaker 8: I believe there was equal evidence, based on his prior
Speaker 8: statement to police that Tracy had, for whatever reason, accidentally
Speaker 8: or otherwise pushed the baby out of the crew. That
Speaker 8: doesn't make Tracy homicidal. It just means the incident or
Speaker 8: event occurred.
Speaker 1: Steve said Out proved to be a thorough and well
Speaker 1: prepared attorney, but Cathy seemed to get under his skin.
Speaker 8: Kathy was very emotional on the stand. I say this
Speaker 8: with all due respect because I don't know her. She
Speaker 8: played her part well.
Speaker 1: During the first two trials, Tracy Riquel had avoided any
Speaker 1: direct contact with jan other than the threatening phone calls
Speaker 1: he made to her home. This time was different.
Speaker 4: I was sitting on a bench outside the courtroom and
Speaker 4: I just happened to be sitting on the side that's
Speaker 4: closest to where they bring the defend it out and out.
Speaker 4: He came through the door to my right, and they
Speaker 4: walked up to the elevator and pushed the button, and
Speaker 4: he was kind of snickering and you know, happy as
Speaker 4: can be. He didn't know it was there. I just
Speaker 4: don't know what came over me. I stood up, and
Speaker 4: I stood there, and as they stepped into the elevator,
Speaker 4: they turned around, and I think all three of them
Speaker 4: had a moment of shock. But he just looked like
Speaker 4: a deer in headlights, which is not something I ever saw.
Speaker 4: I just took two steps forward and just sour stood there.
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything, but it was kind of this
Speaker 4: moment that yeah, I'm okay, I'm not afraid of you anymore.
Speaker 4: I mean, you never make the nightmares go away, but
Speaker 4: that person you can't hurt me, So I thought it
Speaker 4: was kind of a big moment for me.
Speaker 1: Inside the courtroom, defense attorney Steve Sadau spent hours grilling
Speaker 1: doctor Joe Burton. Still, no matter what the defense tried,
Speaker 1: he was steadfast.
Speaker 9: I've never been certain about one certain about a lot
Speaker 9: of things. I do forensically, very few things, as a
Speaker 9: matter of fact, But I'm as close to one hundred
Speaker 9: percent certain as I could be that these fractures in
Speaker 9: this child, as I see them, could not have occurred
Speaker 9: from falling out of a bed onto a carpeted floor.
Speaker 1: The star witness for the defense was doctor Robert Stuivers.
Speaker 1: His absence from the first and second trials was the
Speaker 1: reason for the third trial, and his appearance was not
Speaker 1: without controversy. It was noted that he wasn't licensed at
Speaker 1: the time of the trial. Nevertheless, he was accepted as
Speaker 1: an expert witness by the court and in his opinion,
Speaker 1: Matthew's injuries had been the result of an accident. Tensions
Speaker 1: were running high in the courthouse. While on a break,
Speaker 1: Kathy let doctor Stivers know what she thought of his testimony.
Speaker 4: He went downstairs, you know, to leave the building for line,
Speaker 4: and there were a few people in my family who,
Speaker 4: you know, sort of gave him their two cents on
Speaker 4: what he had said. And he came back to the
Speaker 4: court room after lunch and told the judge and had
Speaker 4: us all kicked out, so nobody was allowed in the
Speaker 4: quirt room.
Speaker 1: Cathy admitted to the judge she told doctor Stivers, by God,
Speaker 1: you'll pay for what you've done. But now Tracy Riquel
Speaker 1: couldn't be in the courtroom. She actually didn't have to worry.
Speaker 1: Doctor Stivers was a witness, but not a star. It
Speaker 1: wasn't smooth testimony, and it certainly didn't rival the expert
Speaker 1: testimony of doctor Burton.
Speaker 8: The medical examiner's testimony was simply devastating, and we could
Speaker 8: not overcome it. We didn't have an expert to do so,
Speaker 8: couldn't find an expert to do so.
Speaker 1: Jan Berry Sanlin received a new trial, but was left
Speaker 1: with the same outcome, guilty. He was convicted a second
Speaker 1: time by a new jury.
Speaker 8: We could not find someone who would come in and
Speaker 8: testify that the injuries were consistent with falling out of
Speaker 8: a crew. The problem is finding an expert who's willing
Speaker 8: to get on the witness span and testify that under
Speaker 8: these horrible circumstances this is a reasonable possibility and then
Speaker 8: have to live with that as an expert.
Speaker 1: From that point on, it also makes me wonder, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't anybody say that, is it possible?
Speaker 6: Couldn't have died from falling.
Speaker 10: Out of there.
Speaker 8: Certainly, the state's position and what the jury must have
Speaker 8: ultimately believed is that they proved beyond a reasonable doubt
Speaker 8: that it could not have happened the way Jan Sandlin
Speaker 8: had previously said it did.
Speaker 1: District Attorney J.
Speaker 7: Tom Morgan, this case was not won or lost by
Speaker 7: the attorneys. Mister say All, it's a great trial lawyer.
Speaker 7: The jury looked at the evidence. The evidence is what
Speaker 7: convicted Jan Berry Sidlin.
Speaker 1: It was over, It was really over. In courtroom footage,
Speaker 1: you can see Tracy Roquel seated near Cathy for the verdict.
Speaker 1: After it was read, her head disappeared into her lap.
Speaker 1: Cathy tried to comfort her and for a moment they
Speaker 1: shared an embrace. But then you see Tracy Roquel slide
Speaker 1: down the bench. It was like she suddenly remembered something
Speaker 1: she couldn't trust that hug and the courtroom started to
Speaker 1: empty out, and in the footage you can also see
Speaker 1: that Jan Berry Sanlin had lost the swagger of the
Speaker 1: first two trials and looked small. He stopped trying to
Speaker 1: make eye contact with everyone and seemed intent on leaving
Speaker 1: as quickly as he could. This wasn't fun for him anymore.
Speaker 1: Tracy Riquel had achieved justice for Matthew a second time,
Speaker 1: but her work wasn't done. The feeling of relief was fleeting.
Speaker 1: There were two other people Tracy Riquel had been thinking
Speaker 1: about for years. They were close to her heart, and
Speaker 1: although she had never met either of them, she felt
Speaker 1: intimately connected to both. Tracy Riquel believes they both could
Speaker 1: have been killed by her father. Neither one of them
Speaker 1: has received the attention that Matthew's case has. One was
Speaker 1: a police officer. I'll tell you about him in a bit.
Speaker 1: The other was Jan's first wife, nineteen year old Nancy Tigeter.
Speaker 1: Like Kathy, she was a teenage who fell for Jan
Speaker 1: before she realized he was a violent man. Jan married
Speaker 1: Nancy but was seeing Kathy on the side. Then Nancy
Speaker 1: supposedly committed suicide by shooting herself in the abdomen. She
Speaker 1: was pregnant with another man's baby at the time. We
Speaker 1: met her best friend from high school at Jackie Wilson,
Speaker 1: she had first hand knowledge of their relationship.
Speaker 10: Jan was abusive to her when they were in the
Speaker 10: apartment when it was just her and him. And I
Speaker 10: only know that because that's what she'd say. She said, no,
Speaker 10: I can't. Jan wouldn't be till out of me. What
Speaker 10: way he'd hit her, I don't know. There was a
Speaker 10: couple of times she had bruises on her.
Speaker 1: Face, according to Jackie. The night Nancy killed herself, she
Speaker 1: was meeting with Jan to try and work out their differences.
Speaker 10: Nancy just thought that because she'd had Jaybird, she was
Speaker 10: supposed to make it work.
Speaker 1: J Bird was Jay Sandlin, Nancy and Jan's son.
Speaker 10: It's what his mommy called h but it's what I'm
Speaker 10: called him since the day was born.
Speaker 1: Jackie Wilson was supposed to meet Nancy the morning after
Speaker 1: she died.
Speaker 10: I went over to pick her up to go and
Speaker 10: found out if she wasn't here anymore.
Speaker 1: Jackie was pretty straightforward about her feelings about Jan.
Speaker 10: The reality was I wasn't there, so all I could
Speaker 10: do was say, I don't want him right and I
Speaker 10: don't wanning around Jaybird either, And mister Mistegator told me
Speaker 10: that they did not want Jay to dislike or hate
Speaker 10: his father.
Speaker 1: In the conversation Tracy Raquel taped with Kathy, the topic
Speaker 1: of Jan's first wife, Nancy, had surfaced. You heard this
Speaker 1: in episode three, and the District Attorney's office also became
Speaker 1: aware of the conversation when it happened.
Speaker 2: But you don't think he was responsible for killing her? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 10: Do you mean you actually think he pulled the trigger.
Speaker 10: I don't know if he actually pulled the trigger or
Speaker 10: if he taught her into pulling the trigger, But I
Speaker 10: think either way he's responsible. Jan Sandlin, in my book,
Speaker 10: either killed her himself or cost just in my life,
Speaker 10: he was the last person that actually saw her.
Speaker 1: Medical examiner doctor Joe Burton, was interested in investigating the case.
Speaker 1: There were some suspicious aspects to her suicide. A sheet
Speaker 1: was wrapped around her after she died. She had shot
Speaker 1: herself in the abdomen. Investigator Jim Maybe found that very odd.
Speaker 6: Well, someone wants to commit suicide, they wanted no pain involved,
Speaker 6: to shoot yourself in the abdomen. You might not die,
Speaker 6: you just sit there and suffer bothered me. My experience
Speaker 6: as a forensic death destigator. Of all the cases that
Speaker 6: I've worked, which is over five thousand cases, I've never
Speaker 6: had a woman shet herself in the abdomen, especially pregnant.
Speaker 1: And the suicide note didn't ring true.
Speaker 4: The suicide note was inconsistent, lots of misspellings, according to
Speaker 4: her family, not consistent with who she was.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: Doctor Burton and Decab County were prepared to take another
Speaker 1: look at Nancy's death, they ran into a wall. Tercy
Speaker 1: Riquel explains.
Speaker 4: Nancy Taggerter's family absolutely had an opportunity to reopen that
Speaker 4: case after Matthew's case and her son my half brother.
Speaker 4: He really wanted that, and the family absolutely did not
Speaker 4: want that. They didn't want to talk about it, and
Speaker 4: because he loved them and was so close to them,
Speaker 4: he just shut it down.
Speaker 1: The thought of recreating the crime scene and possibly exuming
Speaker 1: her body, it was just too much for her parents.
Speaker 1: People grieve in different ways, but Jan did not appear
Speaker 1: to mourn the loss of his first wife, Nancy.
Speaker 4: He literally moved in with Kathy and Matthew, and I
Speaker 4: Right after.
Speaker 1: That, Jan and Nancy's son, Jay, respected his grandparents' wishes.
Speaker 1: They were more like his parents. They had raised him.
Speaker 1: He loved them. Now that they have passed, he would
Speaker 1: be open to someone looking into his mother's death again.
Speaker 1: But the team that was willing to do that twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago is long gone. But Tracy Raquel has
Speaker 1: not forgotten. Let me talk to you about William David Korn. Okay,
Speaker 1: William David Korn was a police officer who was shot
Speaker 1: to death. His case was never solved, you wrote on
Speaker 1: a fallen officer website. Officer William David Korn has been
Speaker 1: linked to my soul, along with Matthew Golder and Nancy
Speaker 1: Tigeter for four y two years. I spent nearly thirty
Speaker 1: years fighting for justice for all three, but I was
Speaker 1: only able to find it for Matthew. There's a connection
Speaker 1: between them all. I'm sorry for the pain and unanswered
Speaker 1: questions that Officer Korn's family still has. I was only
Speaker 1: two years old when Officer William David Korn was killed.
Speaker 1: I never knew him, but I've always loved him and
Speaker 1: always will signed Tracy Goulder, someone who knows, and you
Speaker 1: wrote that in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: My life growing up as a child. Kathy. You know,
Speaker 4: there's very specific things that she has said, and she's
Speaker 4: that's her story, like it's never changed. Kathy always said
Speaker 4: that Jan was responsible for Nancy's death because he came
Speaker 4: home to her that night. So I knew about Nancy
Speaker 4: Teger like very very young. And then the other thing
Speaker 4: that Kathy would always say is yeah, he also killed
Speaker 4: police officer.
Speaker 1: You may remember I went to speak with Kathy Ahman
Speaker 1: to see what she had to say.
Speaker 10: I really can't get drawn into Tracy's fantasies anymore. She
Speaker 10: has been lying in torturing me for thirty years. I
Speaker 10: can't take it anymore.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Kathy, What is she lying about
Speaker 1: everything that? Police Officer William David Korn was only twenty
Speaker 1: four years old when he was shot through the heart
Speaker 1: while moonlighting at an apartment complex he worked as a
Speaker 1: security guard. In the evening, the Decab police chief thought
Speaker 1: he had surprise and burglars in the clubhouse, but nothing
Speaker 1: was taken.
Speaker 6: Officer Corn was shot multiple times with his own handgun.
Speaker 1: Investigator Jim Maybe was also interested in the case.
Speaker 6: Before I came to the medical Examiner's office. I'd been
Speaker 6: assigned a cold case file where a police officer had
Speaker 6: been killed about the time that her baby brother had
Speaker 6: been killed. And one of the people that I came
Speaker 6: across who became a person of interest in that police
Speaker 6: officer death was Van Sanlin.
Speaker 1: Although he died from a shot to the heart, the
Speaker 1: killer shot him in the head after he was already dead.
Speaker 1: Nobody really knows what the connection was between Jan Barry
Speaker 1: Sandlin and William David Korn, But for Jim Maybe, Jim.
Speaker 4: Maybe was very certain that Jan was a suspect. In fact,
Speaker 4: he was assigned to that case.
Speaker 6: Me and my partner, you know, we started looking into it.
Speaker 4: Jim Maybe and I have talked about it over the years.
Speaker 4: He would warn me into the late nineties into the
Speaker 4: early two thousands that this was too dangerous of a
Speaker 4: subject to get into because it suspected that it had
Speaker 4: to do with Dixie Mafia, because Jan was part of
Speaker 4: that organization. I didn't even know who the Dixie Mafia was.
Speaker 1: Tracy Riquel's first husband had a relative in law enforcement,
Speaker 1: and he gave her some information.
Speaker 4: His uncle was FBI and had done some looking into Jan.
Speaker 4: He worked for the FBI for thirty years in organized crime,
Speaker 4: so he knew all about how they worked and functioned.
Speaker 1: Tracy Riquel learned that the Dixie Mafia was an organized
Speaker 1: crime group engaged in a laundry list of crimes including
Speaker 1: illegal gambling, drug trafficking, prostitution, robbery, murder, arson, extortion, and fraud.
Speaker 1: Their preferred method of murder was shooting, and sometimes local
Speaker 1: police and politicians were mixed up in their ranks. Jim
Speaker 1: Mape was set on questioning Jan Barry Sandlin about Officer
Speaker 1: Korn's murder. Sandlan was already serving time in Florida for
Speaker 1: the armed robbery conviction.
Speaker 6: We wanted to go to Florida and talk to him.
Speaker 6: We got it all together, came in the next morning,
Speaker 6: told Colonel or Aware, Flora. He said, no, you're not.
Speaker 6: Huh He said, no, you're not. Why didn't he make sense?
Speaker 6: We waited around, waited around. Captain never came and asked
Speaker 6: us why we were going to first place? So you
Speaker 6: could take it from there.
Speaker 1: Hundreds of police officers lined the streets for Officer Krn's funeral.
Speaker 1: Governor Jimmy Carter donated state money for a reward leading
Speaker 1: to information that would lead to the killer. Tracy Riquel
Speaker 1: grew up feeling there were two people in her household
Speaker 1: who knew what happened to Officer Korn. Kathy openly spoke
Speaker 1: of the incident.
Speaker 4: She would say, he killed that police officer, and then
Speaker 4: we drove to Alabama and through the gun in a lake.
Speaker 1: Jan is still alive, still in prison, still aware. Since
Speaker 1: the podcast started, Tracy Riquel has received a threat.
Speaker 4: The threat that I received was basically, if anything happens
Speaker 4: to Jan, We're gonna set you on fire, watch you burn.
Speaker 1: What could Jan be worried about? Maybe knowing what Tracy
Speaker 1: Riquel did for Matthew has made him realize she never
Speaker 1: gives up and he may be held to account again.
Speaker 1: On the next Burden of Guilt, I sit down with
Speaker 1: Tracy Raquel and we share some stories that are jaw dropping,
Speaker 1: some things that we haven't talked about before.
Speaker 4: I remember Leanne and Jeff calling me and saying, you're
Speaker 4: not going to believe this.
Speaker 10: They got married, ladies and gentle when I present to you,
Speaker 10: mister and missus, Jane sadly.
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