Speaker 1: Welcome the Guys We Find Anti Slutshamings podcast. I'm Christina Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: I'm Couren Fifer and I'm yea sool with friends.
Speaker 2: We're going up to flooding, your horning and your shame.
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Speaker 2: Okay? Greetings fuckers, how you do it? You? Okay, go
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Speaker 1: This is a follow up email from the Brashtrami sandwich
Speaker 1: guy a few months ago. Oh do I remember that email?
Speaker 2: We all do it haunts us.
Speaker 1: Let me start off by saying, I appreciate the focus
Speaker 1: on men's health this month.
Speaker 2: Kudos to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you for featuring my question on episode number five
Speaker 1: forty three. I literally stopped walking during PM rush hour
Speaker 1: in Penn Station. That's a crowded one. When I realized it,
Speaker 1: it was my email being read. Here's a follow up
Speaker 1: after joining Betterhelp this is not sponsored for reasons totally
Speaker 1: unrelated to my last email. Okay, I began to learn
Speaker 1: about myself in a way I never did before. Oh shit,
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna tell us why I loves PRISTRAMI?
Speaker 1: In doing so, I realized that the reason I craved
Speaker 1: eating vagina is because deep down I needed my partner
Speaker 1: to orgasm before me. I knew at some point I
Speaker 1: would go flaccid, and at that point would deliver bad dick.
Speaker 1: But I figured if I already pleasured them enough, they
Speaker 1: would be all right with my flacidity and we'd move
Speaker 1: on to something else. After realizing and accepting this truth,
Speaker 1: I started having less desire to have sex interesting. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel as worthy or deserving. I still talk with
Speaker 1: women here and there if I meet them in the
Speaker 1: settings that are concrete to my life, like the gym
Speaker 1: or a massage studio.
Speaker 2: What per se is a massage studio?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you get in handies? I'd love to know.
Speaker 1: But I haven't gotten out of my way to meet
Speaker 1: women in the traditional way like at bars. Since the email,
Speaker 1: I've only slept with three women, and I don't currently
Speaker 1: have a desire to chase it.
Speaker 2: Chase anyone.
Speaker 1: At some point, I do plan to dive into why
Speaker 1: I go flaccid and seek medical attention if anything, but
Speaker 1: there'll be a time for that. I'm on the road
Speaker 1: now and I'm now being much more frugal. I am
Speaker 1: focusing on enhancing my career in HR, which is going
Speaker 1: on five years now, and I'm focusing on fitness.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: Fitness is a great goal if you have to focus
Speaker 1: on someone else for a while. Yeah, nothing says I
Speaker 1: have a huge problem that I'm trying not to dive
Speaker 1: into again, like getting it out finish. Every fucking of
Speaker 1: recovering addict I know is ripped. Hey, you got to
Speaker 1: be addicted to something sometimes and it's you know, the
Speaker 1: gym is I guess better shout out to Mike. I'm
Speaker 1: also back on my meds, which is just creatine and
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Speaker 1: and my female best friend that I mentioned in my
Speaker 1: email my last email. Oh you're so cute. Oh she's
Speaker 1: so cute too. You kind of look related, but you're
Speaker 1: both hot. Your female friend huh no, grown man wants
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Speaker 1: Did you eat her pastram. She's super cute.
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Speaker 4: Can I just say too great poster?
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you it's a baseball card. Thank you Isabella
Speaker 1: for making me into a baseball card. And then also
Speaker 1: what I've been found finding with promoting the Chicago shows,
Speaker 1: there are a ton of song written about Chicago, like
Speaker 1: I always look, but like specifically like for every city
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Speaker 1: New York, but like whoa overwhelming amount of songs about
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Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra sang a lot of songs about Chicago.
Speaker 2: A lot of songs. She hasn't multiple songs about Chicago.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 2: So that's that. And then.
Speaker 1: What else is I have a New Year's Eve show
Speaker 1: that the ticket link isn't up yet. But just like
Speaker 1: if you were talking about New Year's Eve plans, my
Speaker 1: yearly New Year's Eve show at New York Comedy Club
Speaker 1: East Village at six pm New Year's Eve is happening
Speaker 1: once again.
Speaker 2: Such a show. It's not booked.
Speaker 1: I don't have the ticket link up, but it'll be
Speaker 1: It'll be great because it's always great.
Speaker 2: It's a great show.
Speaker 1: And then also in Washington, d C. February twenty ninth
Speaker 1: through March, second DC Comedy Loft. Again, all these ticket
Speaker 1: links are up except for the New Year's one. But
Speaker 1: that's just like you got to know what you're doing
Speaker 1: on New Years. So I'm just telling you you have
Speaker 1: something to do if you're in New York City. And
Speaker 1: of course what's going to be at six pm? Again,
Speaker 1: that's a perfect time, yeah for a show because then
Speaker 1: you can go out and do whatever this thing you
Speaker 1: want to do. Anyway, happens earlier on New Year's Eve,
Speaker 1: so like basically every because when you think that you
Speaker 1: have to be like you're kind of like ending the
Speaker 1: night at like by twelve thirty just because everyone's like
Speaker 1: so excited to get to the ball drop. So it's
Speaker 1: like the earliest night of the year. Well for I
Speaker 1: guess we'll tell people it's late and then uh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. Listen to Without a Country. We've been getting
Speaker 1: some really interesting interviews this week. We're talking about ethics
Speaker 1: and journalism, which is a passion topic of mine, So
Speaker 1: make sure to tune in on YouTube or wherever you
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. Right guys, rounding out Masculinity month, Baby, Oh, I.
Speaker 2: Do I have them? Man Hero for you. He's he.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the lead vocalist and one of the
Speaker 1: most one of the greatest rock bands ever.
Speaker 2: I've seen him live a couple times.
Speaker 1: The last time I saw him live at Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 1: he had broken his leg and he performed the entire
Speaker 1: show sitting down on a wooden box, and it was
Speaker 1: one of the greatest concerts I've ever seen. And to
Speaker 1: be I said this a couple months, maybe like a
Speaker 1: year ago, after seeing that concert. It's like Beyonce for
Speaker 1: straight guys. I've never experienced a vibe of men just
Speaker 1: so happy and wanting to express their fucking feelings. He
Speaker 1: promotes left wing politics and opposition to corporate America. He
Speaker 1: fucking hates corporate America and he's not shy about that.
Speaker 1: And I just love a man who's an activist and
Speaker 1: not shy about it. And he does not like the
Speaker 1: military industrial complex and government oppression. Those are the three
Speaker 1: main things that he involves himself in. And of course
Speaker 1: the band is rage against the Machine, and the man
Speaker 1: hero is Zacharias Manuel de la Rosha. I love you,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you got me too. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to look it up, but because he's just so
Speaker 1: perfect in my eyes. He expresses himself so beautifully, and
Speaker 1: he's a poet, he's like a spoken word artist. This
Speaker 1: motherfucker is so this is right up your eye. If
Speaker 1: someone wrote I feel the same way.
Speaker 2: I love poet men pets, well good, yes, the.
Speaker 1: Same way men shied away from our profiles on RYO
Speaker 1: when we had comedians in the bio that's how I
Speaker 1: feel about spoken word artist.
Speaker 2: Send me your spoken word man, I will I will
Speaker 2: date them.
Speaker 1: Someone sent me a poem once, but it was like
Speaker 1: an erotic poem a listener of the show, and I said, I,
Speaker 1: if you ever send me anything like this again, I'm
Speaker 1: reporting you to the FBI.
Speaker 2: Absolutely inappropriate for everybody. No, but it works on me.
Speaker 2: Don't write a poem about my fu pussy incentives to me.
Speaker 2: That's that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like. You got to know me like that
Speaker 1: to do a poetry. I'm trying to fox with you
Speaker 1: on that level. No.
Speaker 2: No rotic poetry from strangers.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you brought up the me too because
Speaker 1: I don't know if you read into me too. But
Speaker 1: I mean P Diddi's p p diddies me too with
Speaker 1: from Cassie. Fucking insane. Okay, the allegation, now, this makes
Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable, But also what could we have done?
Speaker 2: We already knew about this. I didn't. I didn't know
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, we interviewed somebody at Serious XM.
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't listening, uh well, and he told
Speaker 1: me the guy that I was sassing the whole time pancakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, So I was so, I was
Speaker 1: so stunned by everything that came out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: I think it was because I have no recollection of
Speaker 1: like that specifically. I mean, I'm sure I commented on it,
Speaker 1: but like I interview in totality.
Speaker 2: Was so it set women back so far. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: wasn't a feminist. I'm still recovering for sure.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he told us.
Speaker 1: He told us about Cassie because I remember I always
Speaker 1: thought she was the most beautiful woman ever. She's so gorgeous,
Speaker 1: and I just loved her songs always since I was
Speaker 1: in middle school. And I remember when he told us
Speaker 1: about a couple of rappers off air and he said
Speaker 1: the thing about Pee Diddy, he basically, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, what could we have done? And then also, yes,
Speaker 1: you're right, the interview was absolutely ridiculous. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of think it's true, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't trust this guy for accurate info. However,
Speaker 1: he said it was because p Diddy is gay, and
Speaker 1: I remember that, and Cassie lives at his house and
Speaker 1: it's basically like his his fucking he abuses her and
Speaker 1: he yeah, like he's this is all allegedly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's allegedly.
Speaker 1: I mean he told us allegedly that this happened, but
Speaker 1: that she was under contract and she had to stay
Speaker 1: with him. He's gay, he wanted to protect his sexuality
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck he wanted to have it, like
Speaker 1: you know, the gay guys always get the hottest girlfriends. Well,
Speaker 1: you knew it had to be true because basically all
Speaker 1: the allegations surface because and the reason why it surface.
Speaker 1: At this time, I was watching a news report about it.
Speaker 1: There was a new law introduced that like a like
Speaker 1: an Adult Survivor's Act, it's called and so it changed
Speaker 1: the time constraints which allowed Cassie to file this lawsuit
Speaker 1: against Sean Combs, and then many other people followed suit
Speaker 1: immediately against him or just in general, because like there
Speaker 1: was some people who the statute of limitations had passed
Speaker 1: and they couldn't. And probably now that you're reminding me
Speaker 1: about this contract that she had for him, allegedly being
Speaker 1: like having a hit her as his beard, which is
Speaker 1: the common Hollywood practice by one hundred percent, believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's who Cassie would be.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got a beard was a type of gay guy.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, a beard is a straight woman who
Speaker 1: is moonlighting as a.
Speaker 2: Girl front to a gay man.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, so that's what Cassie was acting as
Speaker 1: for Sean Combs if if the story that that other
Speaker 1: guy told us is correct, and so she yeah, so
Speaker 1: she followed that too because of the Adult Survivors Act,
Speaker 1: and many other people followed. UH filed lawsuits this week
Speaker 1: as well, and like so the day everything was announced,
Speaker 1: literally twenty four hours later, they had settled out of court. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's already gone and it's already done. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you So I mean that that right there tells
Speaker 1: you it was so bad and it was true, and
Speaker 1: I mean there was like there was like sex trafficking
Speaker 1: allegations in there as well, and like share sex stuff
Speaker 1: kind of like similar to what Melby accused her ex
Speaker 1: husband of from The Spice Girls, like force like forcing
Speaker 1: her to engage in sexual situations like in front of him.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck knows what he was like.
Speaker 1: You know doing I very specifically, once he told us that,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll never go at that.
Speaker 2: And that's fucking awful because it really stuck out to
Speaker 2: me that.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's like, that's why now that
Speaker 1: you say somebody because they're like kind of desperately trying
Speaker 1: to protect their masculinity. Yeah, he's angry and he I
Speaker 1: remember this guy that we had interviewed at Sirius who
Speaker 1: told us this was like he seemed shook.
Speaker 2: Over how abusive did he was to Cassie.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, wait, who wha, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is just a casual drop.
Speaker 2: You're just telling us what the fuck? That's terrible, right.
Speaker 1: And that guy and that's and that's that that's astounding
Speaker 1: because that guy had certainly didn't have respect women. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: like stacking them up like pancakes and yelling syrup. Is
Speaker 1: he just I think after that interview, I must have
Speaker 1: turned my ears off.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. Yeah, I was extremely difficult for
Speaker 2: me to get through that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like, bad, damn dude, you're really saying
Speaker 1: this stuff and okay, that's your lifestyle. It's incredible how
Speaker 1: often guests will tell us really big things.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: He told us about another rapper who was not straight,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fuck appears like he
Speaker 1: he made it seem like, man, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guy rappers that are gay that really don't want to
Speaker 1: be gay. I'm like, just be gay obviously that's easier
Speaker 1: or not accepted. And they in the in the rap community,
Speaker 1: still in the gay community. Yeah, I mean that's why
Speaker 1: little Nash love making, you know. And but the thing is,
Speaker 1: like he's he gets a lot of flack if you
Speaker 1: look at his like Instagram or his Twitter like for
Speaker 1: being especially so.
Speaker 2: Overtly homosexual and so feminine and his.
Speaker 1: Love Chappelle's bit about how when he came out with
Speaker 1: the Old Town Road Song with Billy Ray Cyrus and
Speaker 1: then it was such a big hit and he wasn't
Speaker 1: he wasn't out to his to the public yet, and
Speaker 1: then he was like, gotcha, I'm gay, right, And he's like, man,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's a good he said, you
Speaker 1: were gay? Yeah, Oh my god, all right. And then
Speaker 1: so going into Matt mena celebration. I also saw this
Speaker 1: uh opinion guests essay in the New York Times this week,
Speaker 1: and it said, why aren't more people marrying?
Speaker 2: Ask women what dating is?
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read the whole thing. But I think, you.
Speaker 1: Know, just talks about how specifically heterosexual marriage is on
Speaker 1: the decline. This is not so for all other forums
Speaker 1: of marriage. So obviously, when heterosexual marriage is on the decline.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, why do we think that is?
Speaker 1: What? Because women don't want to get married anymore? And
Speaker 1: why don't we want to get married anymore?
Speaker 2: Sticky is shit.
Speaker 1: It's almost like we realize what a bad business deal
Speaker 1: it is for us, like I've been saying, and I'm interested.
Speaker 1: Clementinine Ford actually just came out out with a book.
Speaker 1: She's released a book last month called I Don't that
Speaker 1: I can't wait to sink my teeth into. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's full of of like just hardcore stats about like
Speaker 1: the actual how it sets us behind, how it's not
Speaker 1: helpful to us, how it was for at least the
Speaker 1: past thousand years. It's a structure that just does not
Speaker 1: serve us, our straight women. So I'm sure there'll be
Speaker 1: more in that. But the chunk of this article that
Speaker 1: I found interesting says, for as long as people have
Speaker 1: been promoting marriage, they have also been observing that a
Speaker 1: good man is hard to find. See William Julius Wilson
Speaker 1: or early Nora Ephron. But what was once dismissed as
Speaker 1: the complaint of picky women is now supported by a
Speaker 1: raft of data. The same pundits plugging marriage also bemoan
Speaker 1: the crisis among men and boys. Right, So the same
Speaker 1: people who are saying, like, uh, it's it's ruining the
Speaker 1: structure of society that we were not getting married, they
Speaker 1: also are finally acknowledging like there's a problem with men
Speaker 1: and boys in this country what has come to be
Speaker 1: known as quote male drift, men turning away from college,
Speaker 1: dropping out of the workforce, or failing to look after
Speaker 1: their health.
Speaker 2: That's the biggest one in my life.
Speaker 1: How many, like every dad in every family is just
Speaker 1: like they don't look after the health. And then I
Speaker 1: just watched the mom's stress. How that happened in my family,
Speaker 1: all my family. My dad's dead because of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's and I'm actually not even just
Speaker 1: talking about physical health.
Speaker 2: I'm also talking about mental health.
Speaker 1: I would say, in it with with our age group,
Speaker 1: with the people I know, almost every man is in
Speaker 1: like a severe state of poor mental health.
Speaker 2: Not you, Mike, you, but you work on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got big dong, but basically all our
Speaker 1: friends and have Obviously it's because you know, I'm and
Speaker 1: mental illness is more prevalent in our in our workspace
Speaker 1: than others. Yes, but almost every man I know is
Speaker 1: like in severe of severe mental health crisis for the
Speaker 1: totality of me knowing them, yeah yeah, and doing really
Speaker 1: little to nothing to make it. None of these people
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of, one of them isn't therapy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's like he's several generations younger, but like the ones
Speaker 1: in their thirties forties just not doing the work.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I wonder why and it's not.
Speaker 1: And there's also so many I was getting mad on
Speaker 1: the train thinking of preparing for this episode because it's like,
Speaker 1: it's even if you don't want to go to therapy
Speaker 1: or even if you don't think that's for you, because like,
Speaker 1: for a long time, I didn't go to therapy and
Speaker 1: I didn't need I didn't felt like I needed to
Speaker 1: until something came up where I felt like I need
Speaker 1: to do and then I went right, But because I
Speaker 1: just didn't think like a bad breakup was necessary enough
Speaker 1: and I actually stand by that, but then I was like,
Speaker 1: well we started this podcast, though, like I didn't just
Speaker 1: sit around going like I'm going to do nothing to
Speaker 1: help this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: So then it says there's a person in an article
Speaker 1: that we're talking about previously. But miss CARNEI, for example,
Speaker 1: acknowledges that improving men's economic position, especially men without college degrees,
Speaker 1: is an important step towards making them more attractive partners.
Speaker 1: But even this nod ignores the qualitative aspect of the
Speaker 1: dating experience, the part that's hard to cover in surveys
Speaker 1: or address with policy. Daniel Cox, a senior fellow at
Speaker 1: the American Enterprise Institute who recently surveyed more than five
Speaker 1: thousand Americans about dating and relationships, found that nearly half
Speaker 1: of college educated women said they were single because they
Speaker 1: had trouble finding someone who meets their expectations, versus one
Speaker 1: third of men. The in depth interviews, he said, were
Speaker 1: even more dispiriting. And this is a man talking for
Speaker 1: variety of reasons, mixed messages from the broader culture about
Speaker 1: toughness and vulnerability, the activity oriented nature of male friendships.
Speaker 1: So they're playing ball, they're not talking. It seems that
Speaker 1: by the time men begin dating, they are relatively limited
Speaker 1: in their ability and willingness to be fully emotionally present
Speaker 1: and available.
Speaker 2: He said, Navigating.
Speaker 1: Interpersonal relationships in a time of evolving gender norms and
Speaker 1: expectations requires a level of emotional sensitivity that I think
Speaker 1: some men probably just lack or they don't have the experience.
Speaker 1: He added, he had recently read about this part actually
Speaker 1: made me cry. He had recently read about a high
Speaker 1: school creative writing assignment in which boys and girls were
Speaker 1: asked to imagine a day from the perspective of the
Speaker 1: opposite sex. While girls wrote detailed essays showing they had
Speaker 1: already spent significant time thinking about the subject, many boys
Speaker 1: simply refused to do the exercise or did so resentfully
Speaker 1: what I believe it to me that sentence also explains
Speaker 1: why men make fun of female comedians. They do because
Speaker 1: they have absolutely no interest. Again broad statement. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this about all of you. Many men have no
Speaker 1: interest in how we live, learning how we live, or
Speaker 1: spending a day in our shoes, and that is a
Speaker 1: huge problem. And that made me so sad. I literally
Speaker 1: cried on the subway when I read that sentence. I
Speaker 1: said that fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: At high school age. Damn yep.
Speaker 1: Mister Cox likened that to heterosexual relationships today the girls
Speaker 1: do extra and the boys do little or nothing. And again,
Speaker 1: that's a mister who said that marriage proponents often contrast
Speaker 1: the stable relationship patterns of the college educated with the
Speaker 1: instability of the less educated. But a bachelor's degree is
Speaker 1: hardly a guarantee of a ring. The Yale anthropologist Marsha
Speaker 1: Einhorn's recent book Motherhood on Ice, The Mating Gap and
Speaker 1: Why Women Freeze their Eggs argues that educated women freeze
Speaker 1: their eggs because they're unable to find a suitable male partner.
Speaker 1: So it's not that we're too bad you working on
Speaker 1: a courier. It's that we've looked and we couldn't find anyone.
Speaker 1: She points to a large gap between the number of
Speaker 1: college educated women and college educated men during their reproductive years,
Speaker 1: on the order of several million. But miss Einhorn's book
Speaker 1: goes beyond these quantitative mismatches to document the qualitative experience
Speaker 1: of women who are actively searching for partners, the frustration, hurt,
Speaker 1: and disappointment. Almost without exception, she writes, women in the
Speaker 1: study were trying hard to find a loving partner, mostly
Speaker 1: through dating sites and apps. Women in their late thirties
Speaker 1: reported online agism. Others described removing their PhD from their
Speaker 1: profiles as to not intimidate potential dates, and I thought
Speaker 1: of you and me, removing comedian or am and still
Speaker 1: others found that men were often commitment averse. The behaviors
Speaker 1: were ubiquitous enough that Miss Einhorn compiled a sort of
Speaker 1: a taxonomy of cads, such as the alpha males who
Speaker 1: want to be challenged by work, not by their partners
Speaker 1: or the.
Speaker 2: Quote and they do put it in quotes.
Speaker 1: Polyamorous men who claim that there are multiple attachments to
Speaker 1: women are all committed. Her breakdown table one point one
Speaker 1: in the book reads like a rigorous, academic aversion of
Speaker 1: all the complaints you've ever heard from your single female friends.
Speaker 1: One of these friends with whom I went to college
Speaker 1: with like nothing more to be married. She's beautiful and
Speaker 1: successful and not as not as far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: overly picky.
Speaker 2: Well, this part I'm going.
Speaker 1: To skip over because this is it's written by a woman,
Speaker 1: and this is fucked up. But from the description I
Speaker 1: can tell, I'm pretty sure her friend's not hot.
Speaker 2: And that's a problem. So I write between the lines
Speaker 2: for that on you.
Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, she's asking her male friends to
Speaker 1: set her up on dates and her male friends are like,
Speaker 1: no one's good enough for you. And the writer interprets
Speaker 1: this as as men just hanging out with people who
Speaker 1: are subpar, and I'm like, nah, your friend's not hot.
Speaker 2: I can read through this really clearly because I was like.
Speaker 1: Actually, mine friends, uh, many of whom are our dirt bags,
Speaker 1: are always begging me to set me up with someone
Speaker 1: because they get so frustrated with who I choose right right, right,
Speaker 1: And so I'm pretty sure that's not the case by
Speaker 1: the language that they're using.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And the rest goes into like childcare and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I thought, uh, this was that that was the
Speaker 1: most interesting part of that, that guest piece, and it's
Speaker 1: someone who specializes in writing about you know, gender and
Speaker 1: gender dating and reproduction specifically.
Speaker 2: That is very interesting. That's such a bummer about that.
Speaker 1: The statistic regarding the high school essay, Yes, Christ, yeah,
Speaker 1: you ever have.
Speaker 2: Like and I never I'm like, is this a myth?
Speaker 2: And this isn't really true?
Speaker 1: But I have like a couple of friends who they
Speaker 1: were seeing somebody they were kind of like one was
Speaker 1: kind of dating down a little bit, and uh, and
Speaker 1: she's fantastic. She's like a breath of fresh air. She
Speaker 1: hurts just her personality's so fun. She's like mystical and thought,
Speaker 1: not like woo, she's not really woo woo, but she's
Speaker 1: just like great energy, mystical, you know, know, a mystical lated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great. Men do love a myxical lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's kind of like a Man of Pixie dreamgirl ish,
Speaker 1: like kind of gal sure, super cute. And this guy
Speaker 1: that she was seeing like just kind of like faded
Speaker 1: away and ghosted her. But they'd seen each other for
Speaker 1: a while and when she was like I like this person,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, lucky him, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: And then he just like.
Speaker 1: Stopped talking to her. And that happened with another girlfriend
Speaker 1: of mine. And I'm like, but in both those situations,
Speaker 1: my my immediate reaction, I'm like, maybe this is me
Speaker 1: being glass half full.
Speaker 2: I still think this.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think the guys seem to be
Speaker 1: like intimidated by how fantastic you were and that they
Speaker 1: couldn't live up to it. But I'm like, is that
Speaker 1: a thing that happens. I mean, I I throw that around,
Speaker 1: but Michael thoughts, I don't know.
Speaker 4: No, it's never that. I don't think then ever think
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 1: Like they're like, I can't be I can't be as
Speaker 1: great as this person is so I can show up
Speaker 1: in the relationships.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonnail, I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think maybe you've never thought that but for yourself,
Speaker 1: But I actually disagree that. I think i've I've heard,
Speaker 1: like whether or not your male friend's voice that to you.
Speaker 2: I think the male guy ever knows a lot of.
Speaker 1: Men I know definitely have a I'm not good enough
Speaker 1: and it's deep yeah, oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they're not usually the ones that pull the plug.
Speaker 5: I don't think I think men feel I don't think
Speaker 5: men can feel that in a relationship.
Speaker 4: But like christ, men don't feel.
Speaker 1: Good enough to me, those are the people who won't
Speaker 1: break up with you, but just stop showing up in
Speaker 1: the relationship until you dump them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of what's happened.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what happened to my one friend. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he just like faded away, and it.
Speaker 5: Was fading away meeting, like he literally just stopped talking
Speaker 5: to her. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean I
Speaker 5: think I like it's more. I do think mc krinn
Speaker 5: is probably a little more on the nose. I mean,
Speaker 5: like that happened to me in a relationship, obviously, and
Speaker 5: like him, I didn't I very much felt that way,
Speaker 5: like really not that I wasn't good enough for her,
Speaker 5: but I think that her, you know, at a time
Speaker 5: in my life where I was not very professionally accomplished,
Speaker 5: and I didn't.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.
Speaker 4: I didn't come from money to grow up around money.
Speaker 2: So I think that's why she stopped being as interested
Speaker 2: in you, of though, or is.
Speaker 1: That did she ever say that to you?
Speaker 2: Or is that your assessment?
Speaker 1: Because this is the thing we assume this, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole show is based on the assumptions that we
Speaker 1: make when a breakup happens that we never actually talk
Speaker 1: about with the other person.
Speaker 5: She has told me, she has said that that was
Speaker 5: not a reason at all. But I don't believe that,
Speaker 5: and I don't believe that because.
Speaker 2: Of this, she might not want to be honest about that.
Speaker 5: Well, I just think the sample size post our relationship
Speaker 5: proves to the contrary. She dated, Yeah, yeah, it's all
Speaker 5: people that have had, you know, a ton of a
Speaker 5: ton of money and sort of like live closer to
Speaker 5: the life style that she lived when she was growing up,
Speaker 5: which was affluent.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna argue that though, And it's such a
Speaker 1: common tactic though after a breakup happens when you're in pain.
Speaker 1: The number one thing people do is date the complete
Speaker 1: opposite of the partner that they actually liked who the
Speaker 1: who and the partner who they actually liked is often
Speaker 1: uh similar more similar to who they will end up
Speaker 1: with long term. Right. That's that's a hunt. That's a
Speaker 1: like that's like a proven study.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, maybe I don't.
Speaker 5: And I'm just using my example as one example, and
Speaker 5: I think that that is like like in my case, uh,
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: More realistically, you felt insecure about where you were in
Speaker 1: your relationship, and you're thinking that must be the reason,
Speaker 1: and was shining a spotlight on your own like as
Speaker 1: relationships do on where we need to work on in
Speaker 1: our own insecurities. I am actually thinking that she didn't
Speaker 1: really think that way about you.
Speaker 5: I think it was probably a mix, if we had
Speaker 5: to like come down to it, because you're you're definitely
Speaker 5: right that was a big part of it for me,
Speaker 5: and I've worked on that and through that.
Speaker 1: Because you're not like a lazy person. Like it's like,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't about laziness. It was about actual money,
Speaker 1: having actual things, like living a comfortable life, and like
Speaker 1: when she and I were shy, like like in terms
Speaker 1: of like where we lived and lived together. We lived together,
Speaker 1: we had money roommates. I mean, she grew up with money.
Speaker 1: She came from a family that had a lot of cash.
Speaker 1: And obviously we were talking about.
Speaker 5: My situation yesterday Christina, like the two bedroom apartment for
Speaker 5: teenager shared, like I was nearly in squalor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was complimenting Mike and how I'm so impressed that he
Speaker 1: hasn't lost his fucking ship with all the stress he's
Speaker 1: been under. And I like witness him just kind of
Speaker 1: like take things and like the flood and the ship,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how are you able to deal with this?
Speaker 1: And not you're not even you don't even have an
Speaker 1: ounce of shortness in your tone. I'm really Also, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize he shared a room. Is that okay? With
Speaker 1: his two sisters?
Speaker 2: Really? He loves to talk about it. You might have
Speaker 2: mentioned on the podcast, but it just didn't dawn on me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, over here sets every morning.
Speaker 5: Literally we slept, we slept in three beds across and
Speaker 5: it took up the whole room until you got.
Speaker 1: That amazing opportunity to go to Walker's Factory.
Speaker 2: It was to change your life myself.
Speaker 1: But I cannot imagine growing up up until fifteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: Harever old you were with not fourteen, with not my
Speaker 1: own bedroom, Like the amount of healing I did alone
Speaker 1: in my room from age zero to fifteen, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like I cannot tell you how vital that was to
Speaker 1: my existence today. Like it's truly being alone in my
Speaker 1: room was like a huge party. Isn't like a Monica
Speaker 1: song like sitting there lotting up.
Speaker 2: In Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: So yeah yeah it was was that Brandy Uh sorry,
Speaker 1: I was like Brandy and Monica had it was like
Speaker 1: Christina and Brittany. It's like that was whose song was
Speaker 1: And I don't even remember that was a great song.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I also had a song about being in
Speaker 1: a room alone, in your room alone, yeah right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: just not having that like whoa, that's crazy that you're
Speaker 1: not irritable, like I'm very impressed.
Speaker 2: Good job.
Speaker 5: That's I think Kurran and I have talked about that
Speaker 5: a ton where it's like the households that we grew
Speaker 5: up in.
Speaker 4: You they're just you know you.
Speaker 1: You can't have a problem, right, you can either like
Speaker 1: you actually you're getting in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: I couldn't have problems, but I did anyway, and then
Speaker 2: no one listened to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, that's what to something. That whole thing up.
Speaker 5: I do think, I do think it happens. But I
Speaker 5: don't think a lot of guys like bail on a
Speaker 5: situation because they look at what's going on and they
Speaker 5: say this woman is like too good for me or what.
Speaker 5: I do think men have streaks of insecurities.
Speaker 1: I think their behavior within the relationship. Let's lets you
Speaker 1: know that they are intimidated by you, not so much
Speaker 1: like the ending of the relationship. Yeah, and and also
Speaker 1: regardless across the board, if the woman was like really hot,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't leave the person. Like it's like, yeah, like intimidating,
Speaker 1: like as a person and you're so like you're a
Speaker 1: woman of the world and you're really successful and all
Speaker 1: this shit, but like if you're like smoking hot. Like
Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy care for a second about
Speaker 1: how the woman was or if the woman was better
Speaker 1: than him. He wanted to because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that we know, I feel like they have women
Speaker 1: that are a lot hotter than them that they like
Speaker 1: kind of you know, prance around like a prize, which
Speaker 1: I mean, God bless you, I would too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean that's the norm. Yeah, like everyone's
Speaker 2: it's a dream. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you're good looking, like I mean, like so when
Speaker 1: you're you're the when you've reached the level of good
Speaker 1: looking that you've reached, Like how much hotter can the
Speaker 1: girl really be? I mean like a perfect body maybe,
Speaker 1: but like no one, no one's no, You're never going
Speaker 1: to show up with anyone and be like, wow, that
Speaker 1: guy's ugly. You know, you just reached the level of
Speaker 1: good looking. That's good looking enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think this kind of circles back.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, thank you. I think complimenting this.
Speaker 1: Month so hard on Mike. I try to give a compliment,
Speaker 1: wasn't even acknowledged.
Speaker 4: I just it's almost like I missed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you love he loves that, he loves to be.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: But I think that that's that's that is where that's
Speaker 5: where this gets even more complicated, because I think that
Speaker 5: there's when you get to a level where you feel
Speaker 5: like you can be with a certain tier of caliber
Speaker 5: of women. And I'm sure women feel this way about
Speaker 5: men too. Uh that tier eventually it goes up another
Speaker 5: level and you go from I can I can date
Speaker 5: really gorgeous women who are accomplished and do great things.
Speaker 5: But if I can date them, maybe I can date models,
Speaker 5: or maybe I can date whatever. And you just start
Speaker 5: I think you just start adding to each tears. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you just start chasing this dragon that like doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: So all of a sudden, like you might be in
Speaker 5: you might be dating in your range that you're supposed
Speaker 5: to be in as a man. But then you start
Speaker 5: getting confident, in full of yourself, and then you start
Speaker 5: thinking that those women aren't good enough for you. I
Speaker 5: feel like you should you should try to swing farther
Speaker 5: for the fences.
Speaker 1: I would love to interview all the men who have
Speaker 1: dated a model and when they realize that that didn't
Speaker 1: make their life better, Like, how how they handle that? Well?
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like also a little bit
Speaker 1: about what I discovered about myself over the summer is like.
Speaker 2: Are you dating for you or are you dating like
Speaker 2: other people for other people?
Speaker 1: Like it's like you got a nice car. That's sometimes
Speaker 1: I date like I got a nice.
Speaker 2: Car, right, And so that's the wrong reason.
Speaker 1: And I think and I think like for men to
Speaker 1: impress other men, a model is much more impressed live
Speaker 1: to other men than a woman with a PhD. You
Speaker 1: can't see a PhD. You'd have to speak to her,
Speaker 1: and men don't like doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and then the other the other weird thing about
Speaker 5: uh so, I like I had that could.
Speaker 2: Be the would you rather for our guests? What PhD?
Speaker 2: Woman of the PhD? Or mode?
Speaker 1: You know, everyone likes to not come on this show
Speaker 1: because they got they're going to trick us, and we go, no,
Speaker 1: we're not, Yes, we fuck it?
Speaker 2: Are men a celebrations?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, it's not a trick.
Speaker 1: We're just simply asking them a question and they can
Speaker 1: choose to answer truthfully or not.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, in my experience, the women that are
Speaker 5: like in that world, but they're like like models are
Speaker 5: like adjacent to that. The lifestyle that they live is
Speaker 5: so much more stressful in my opinion what I was
Speaker 5: exposed to as opposed to like the women that are
Speaker 5: like even the women that are taking the bar, like
Speaker 5: doing the things like that.
Speaker 2: It's a model lifestyle more stressful. I remember, please tell
Speaker 2: me more.
Speaker 1: Yeah what so there was well can't eat no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean that is going to put I
Speaker 1: think I think being a guy trying to sort of
Speaker 1: like entice somebody of that caliber.
Speaker 5: There was a there was a girl I think it
Speaker 5: was two summers ago that I like, like had like
Speaker 5: a tiny little fling, very short fling with yeah, not
Speaker 5: a thing, gorgeous, one of the most beautiful women that
Speaker 5: I've ever probably been with, and I I was interested
Speaker 5: in getting to know her and trying. I don't know
Speaker 5: if she was felt that way about me, but like
Speaker 5: we I was interested in that. And then the more
Speaker 5: I started to like get to know her a little bit,
Speaker 5: the more I was like, this is I can't handle this.
Speaker 2: What can't you handle about it?
Speaker 4: Because she's just.
Speaker 5: Like she's on the caliber where people are like flying
Speaker 5: her places all the time.
Speaker 2: The male competition.
Speaker 5: She's always in Paris and like like the south of
Speaker 5: France and.
Speaker 2: Very sought after by other men for the most part.
Speaker 5: Well in a way then like the way you competit.
Speaker 5: The way the competition is that you like like pick
Speaker 5: a location and fly somebody out somewhere and like like
Speaker 5: I just fit.
Speaker 4: I can't do that. I'm not on that. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not on that level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brin Fisher, no one's ever flown me anywhere.
Speaker 1: What's up, boys, Christina Hutchinson, I've flown somewhere to surprise somebody.
Speaker 2: They didn't like it. Oopsy, Where did I need to
Speaker 2: hear about this? Off airs? Sometimes you go to la
Speaker 2: because you know guys going to be there. Hilarious, So
Speaker 2: was the old mais. I don't think I ever heard
Speaker 2: about this. I've been on a country.
Speaker 1: No, not in the country, but I've been on boats
Speaker 1: and stuff. That's in my twenties. You just get on
Speaker 1: a boat. I forget what comic I think it was.
Speaker 1: Dan soder Has like girls can just be on boats,
Speaker 1: like I want to be on a boat.
Speaker 2: They're just on a boat. That's very true. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then like we're forced into oral sex stand so it's not.
Speaker 1: That great, right the bit or Yeah, a friend who's
Speaker 1: hotter just make her do it right.
Speaker 4: The case of me.
Speaker 2: Shout out to our hotter friends. Thanks for giving those girl,
Speaker 2: Thank you for taking that heat. You taking that pipe?
Speaker 2: Damn all right? Uh do you have do you want
Speaker 2: to do it?
Speaker 1: Dan? I think I think they texted me. They're on there,
Speaker 1: so I think we'll save it. It's more appropriate for
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Speaker 1: Ye here we were talking before the mice chromos referencing
Speaker 1: like a petty, like common prank that women would do
Speaker 1: of like when you're in high school and you're like,
Speaker 1: do you like Stephanie and the girls like no, and
Speaker 1: then Stephanie there was a three way call like Stephanie's
Speaker 1: on the line, and it made me want to ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: do guys.
Speaker 2: Do ship that that? That's that petty either in middle
Speaker 2: school or in your adult life.
Speaker 6: No, it's a lot more direct. Yeah, I hate my sister. Yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot of that stuff you'd get tackled. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: there wasn't a ton of this manipulative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like a prank, but like that's how
Speaker 3: we asked each other out in middle school was like
Speaker 3: your friend would call your home, phoney, will you go
Speaker 3: out with with?
Speaker 2: Or something like a representative of call.
Speaker 1: But you guys hated that, right what that represents?
Speaker 4: I was. I was psyched at lunch. We didn't exchange
Speaker 4: any words.
Speaker 2: A little bit of your.
Speaker 4: No, this is middle school.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I have a girlfriend, I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do. We not at each other at
Speaker 3: the lockers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also have this. Oh I love awkward fingers.
Speaker 2: I like fingering.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I like awkward thing. I like
Speaker 1: it because it was the introduction to like fingering, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So like the singer being down there,
Speaker 1: fingering was in your in the cards a little later, right.
Speaker 6: Not in the vagina. I thought the vagina was right here. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I thought it was like in the front, like a dick.
Speaker 6: I was so clueless.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, of course you would grow up going, well,
Speaker 1: you guys have what I remember the first time when
Speaker 1: I was a kid that I saw penis and I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 2: It started? Were you startled when you first saw vagina?
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I was still started the first time
Speaker 3: I saw a big penis.
Speaker 4: Like that was still?
Speaker 1: When was the first time you saw a big penis,
Speaker 1: like an adult penis when you.
Speaker 2: Were Yeah, said a huge, huge, like the first time
Speaker 2: of your child.
Speaker 4: God, we cleared that up, wit. Who was the big day?
Speaker 1: Was your dad? Yeah?
Speaker 2: The first stick a guy see, dad's usually right, but
Speaker 2: still and the first stick of girl see is a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean, but if you don't have if you're
Speaker 1: not living in a mansion as I was not, like.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're just gonna yeah to the wrong door at
Speaker 2: the wrong time. Was the first vagina you guys saw
Speaker 2: your mom's No, because.
Speaker 3: Vaginas are hard. Yeah, unless you're in the shower and
Speaker 3: you get a good look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're in the shower shower.
Speaker 1: I showered with my dad. I remember when I was
Speaker 1: like a little little like four or five. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's that thing hanging between your legs? He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, And I was like, what the fuck, dude,
Speaker 1: don't fucking play.
Speaker 2: Me like that. Then I see it. Did you speak
Speaker 2: back gas lit? Because it's just right there I should have. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was eye level first vagina.
Speaker 4: I think it was the first.
Speaker 6: I mean it's probably porn, oh okay, yeah, but up
Speaker 6: close was probably magazines like Internet.
Speaker 1: I was like, not Internet porn, because you were we
Speaker 1: we kind of escape that, which, honestly, I feel very
Speaker 1: lucky about it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure as a man.
Speaker 1: Like that totally changes your view of women, because when
Speaker 1: I watch too much porn, everyone's just a fuck toy
Speaker 1: walking around, Like I can't imagine what men, how men
Speaker 1: reinterpret human women after watching a lot of porn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I think a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know younger generations, I feel like they're
Speaker 3: just growing up with it where it's becoming normal.
Speaker 2: That's a problem. Yeah, death grip.
Speaker 4: It's fun, but it's problem.
Speaker 2: You don't get sick of porn ever.
Speaker 1: I used to be really really into porn in college
Speaker 1: and then I just then year by year, I just
Speaker 1: got more and more disinterested because the thing and.
Speaker 3: Over again became like not even for pleasures, like just
Speaker 3: I got to go to bed. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 3: nightly routine, not like a kink.
Speaker 2: Kind of porn.
Speaker 1: You guys like by damage, It just changes, it evolves
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 6: Porn is school as you find ship you didn't know
Speaker 6: you like, right, Oh, yes, scenario in the fifties. I
Speaker 6: don't think I had that. Nobody is like I guess
Speaker 6: I like anal kiddling or whatever. Yeah, no, whatever shows up,
Speaker 6: soup of the day, you know, really this homepage super Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't search. I don't go to a search bar. Wow,
Speaker 4: I don't either go to a few pages deep.
Speaker 2: What catches your eye? Body?
Speaker 4: Two guys interesting?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like I like a girl who looks like
Speaker 6: when you know, that's always fun because you want to
Speaker 6: get as personal as possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about it is hotter to masturbate to
Speaker 1: somebody that you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I guess I was going to say,
Speaker 2: in your mind.
Speaker 1: But also I guess if you find a porn with
Speaker 1: a person that looks like them, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 3: Women like celebrities that look like them. I have noticed
Speaker 3: a reoccurring trend with that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: All the celebrities I like are like have the same
Speaker 1: like skin tone and hair colors.
Speaker 3: And every girl EVE ever been with that's entertained a
Speaker 3: three way has the criteria was had to look like her.
Speaker 2: I love this. See it's not just me everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, She's like it's got to be. I'm like, what
Speaker 4: kind of girl do you like?
Speaker 3: She's like kind of like me, which I think because
Speaker 3: it's like the least amount of removed from because if.
Speaker 1: It's something different that she doesn't have. Oh, I was like,
Speaker 1: that seems like an insecurity tactic. I was like, mine's
Speaker 1: par narcissism.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, mine was like cold, just so I
Speaker 1: can make my dream of fucking myself come true, which
Speaker 1: is a completely different. I understand what you're saying that
Speaker 1: because I was like, wow, okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah interesting, But that that that, to me, is actually
Speaker 1: the most dangerous approach for a woman because if a
Speaker 1: guy is likely, the guy is most likely to fall
Speaker 1: in love with someone like who Like, he has a type, right,
Speaker 1: so if you introduce a similar type, what if she's
Speaker 1: better in bed, more likable? That is dangerous. I would
Speaker 1: go complete officite. It's like interesting for the guy, but
Speaker 1: not like his actual type. Like this weekend, I was
Speaker 1: having a conversation with my guy friend's comics dirt bag people,
Speaker 1: and they were like, I could never take living with
Speaker 1: a natural blonde.
Speaker 2: Seriously, are these the kind of discussions you guys have.
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: They were like, I could never I've never dated a
Speaker 1: natural blonde for more than a few months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's just a personal.
Speaker 1: You know, two random guys that, like, two different guys
Speaker 1: from two different walks of life both.
Speaker 2: Had that these guys are gay. Wait do they just
Speaker 2: not they're not attracted to blonde? No, they are attracted
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 1: They said they can't take them seriously, it's like long
Speaker 1: term partners.
Speaker 2: WHOA. I was like, what that's like an old.
Speaker 3: I definitely transition from uh from liking blondes to brunette's
Speaker 3: uh huh like in my twenties, for sure the least
Speaker 3: controversial transition.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is, But was there like what was?
Speaker 1: Was there more to it in your mind than just
Speaker 1: like I like this now?
Speaker 4: I like that know what it was?
Speaker 3: I think I started getting into more like I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like we just talked about porn categories like latina and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, burnettes are yeah, little curves and
Speaker 3: a lot of the blonds weren't cutting it time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well cardboard butts, cardboard booty. What everyone's evolved, right, and
Speaker 2: what you want to evolves?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the kind of woman that makes you horny of
Speaker 1: all the kind of man that the kind.
Speaker 2: Of situation evolves. True, which is kind of fun.
Speaker 6: You know, I still like kids, but you know, when
Speaker 6: you're married, Yeah, when you're married, you're like, look at
Speaker 6: that stool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because everything different is hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's so funn Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a married comic at Skankfest and
Speaker 1: he was telling me, yeah, being married does make you
Speaker 1: kind of want to fuck everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh nightmare.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, your mark, you're married since last time
Speaker 1: we interviewed many years ago, and now you want to
Speaker 1: fuck stools?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well you always wanted to couches, you can't stools.
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, is that a cushion top? Oh boy?
Speaker 4: You know so yeah, that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2: How do you how do you? How do you tame that?
Speaker 1: Because for some reason, like I don't as horny as
Speaker 1: I am, Like, when I'm with somebody that I really like,
Speaker 1: I almost wish I would attract other people.
Speaker 2: I'm annoyingly not. But if I was, I don't that
Speaker 2: would be hard to handle. Yeah, that would be tough.
Speaker 6: It was tough in the beginning because you know, I
Speaker 6: was so not used to that. So I had to
Speaker 6: do the same where I chant, I channel all that
Speaker 6: horniness to her. Yeah, so she gets really beaten up plows. Yeah,
Speaker 6: It's it's like a Rihanna video.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just just raining everywhere Chris browning her.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, not really hitting her. I mean we
Speaker 2: know you're not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people are dumb listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, funny how that works?
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: So this is our last episode of Masculinity bunth and
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask each of you, like, how has
Speaker 1: your relationship, what is your opinion on masculinity and you're
Speaker 1: in your experiences with it, like what what is your
Speaker 1: opinion of masculinity?
Speaker 2: And what type of man would you say you are?
Speaker 4: Yikes, I usually don't even get called a man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I have my mother's hands. I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's like they say toxic mexiculinated. That's
Speaker 3: the term that's obviously way more prevalent now, but it
Speaker 3: truly is when it's like when the guys are like,
Speaker 3: you know, the Oakley Sunglass guys are like, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't get down with like the.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just don't.
Speaker 3: It's not important to me, like being a good boyfriend,
Speaker 3: being a good partner, being good dad, Like that's masculinity.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's not like how much you can bend,
Speaker 4: sure you know what you believe?
Speaker 2: How much can you bunch a lot?
Speaker 4: Right? Man's man? All right? I do value weightlifting?
Speaker 1: Were you taught anything about masculinity? Like where's your dad? Like, son,
Speaker 1: a man does this? Because my mom never was like
Speaker 1: a woman does this. We would hear a lady does this,
Speaker 1: but that was always like stop, don't be a whore.
Speaker 2: That was the tone of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I definitely had a lot of that. Hey
Speaker 6: you're a man, suck it up.
Speaker 4: Be a man. Here's a big one. Yeah, be a man.
Speaker 4: But that was about it.
Speaker 6: You know, you got to provide, you gotta protect a woman,
Speaker 6: you gotta open the door, all that. I'm from the South,
Speaker 6: all that chivalry shit, you know, growing up, which is
Speaker 6: tough because I think a lot of ladies won't admit this,
Speaker 6: but they talk about toxic masculinity men or ship whatever.
Speaker 6: But I think a lot of women like men men,
Speaker 6: you know. Like a friend of mine, she's like, I
Speaker 6: dated a guy who got pegged and I couldn't see
Speaker 6: him the same after that. And I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: kind of fucked up, but I get it.
Speaker 1: See that's my kind of guy. I'm like, yeah, guy
Speaker 1: who's just yes, who's open like.
Speaker 4: You like that? Yes, so not even submissive, just open
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if he did, even if he fucking hated it,
Speaker 1: the fact that he tried it, I'm like, that's sexy
Speaker 1: and we could do like weird shit together.
Speaker 2: Later if we wanted to.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 2: That's what that says to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my ex girlfriend's like, if you ever blew a guy,
Speaker 4: we'd be done.
Speaker 1: Real. Yeah, that's her, that's a parameter thing. That's a
Speaker 1: conversation you needed to have.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was looking, I was at rest, it was over.
Speaker 6: It was like a drunk conversation that it was just
Speaker 6: shooting the ship.
Speaker 1: And it came up well because I did a pretty
Speaker 1: like typical man's man and I remember on one of
Speaker 1: our first dates, he told me that he got a
Speaker 1: blow job, like kind of randomly from a trans woman,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I thought it was so cool that
Speaker 1: he felt comfortable enough sharing that story with me, because
Speaker 1: that story was a gamble on like dat d yeah
Speaker 1: fuck Yeah, you guys.
Speaker 6: Are the right gals to tell you guys are open
Speaker 6: sexual fun.
Speaker 4: But I don't know about every girl.
Speaker 2: No, but I agree with you because I'm like, I
Speaker 2: straight up like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like I don't like eating animals, but when men say
Speaker 1: they don't eat animals, I'm like, what I called myself
Speaker 1: out on it because a couple of convers on our yeah,
Speaker 1: months ago, we did like kind of like a list
Speaker 1: of things we're looking for and a guy and I
Speaker 1: was like, I want them to respect animals but still
Speaker 1: eat their flesh.
Speaker 2: I just won't.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what's great about vegeta vegan or no, no,
Speaker 6: no vegetarian. Vegetarian tend to be pretty uh uh what's
Speaker 6: the word cooler? Yeah, cooler, But like other activists, you
Speaker 6: have to be exactly like I am, but vegetarian instead
Speaker 6: to be pretty forgiving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do it, you do your thing.
Speaker 1: I'll do mine well because you just it's just about,
Speaker 1: like I think, getting more people interested in caring about animals.
Speaker 1: Even today, someone was like, I was talking about animal
Speaker 1: rights and someone was like, have you.
Speaker 2: Gone vegan yet?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, because you you're the type
Speaker 1: of person who's vegan and everyone hates you and people know.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, I'm working on, like, you know, having
Speaker 1: people use mascara that wasn't tested on a pig. That's
Speaker 1: step one before you stop eating bacon. Like I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to push.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't expect people to take eighteen steps. Sure immediately,
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna happen. Like, you have to be
Speaker 1: realistic about the change you.
Speaker 2: Want to see.
Speaker 4: You're here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys have both each done a pretty
Speaker 1: adult thing.
Speaker 2: Mark you got married, Doug, you're expecting a bait.
Speaker 4: I'm expecting a child.
Speaker 1: You're entering this new stage of your life. You've entered
Speaker 1: this new stage of your life. Like I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask each of you, like Mark, like with marriage, what
Speaker 1: did you have any expectations? Like guys think about a
Speaker 1: wedding Like I'm always every time I talk to a
Speaker 1: couple and they're getting married, like, the guy's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know whatever she wants to do, and then the
Speaker 1: woman does the thing.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, you got no say.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you literally don't have a preference, then
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if he did have a preference
Speaker 1: and she's ignoring it, that's another thing.
Speaker 6: So no, it was it was an issue. I was like,
Speaker 6: I don't really get marriage.
Speaker 2: I put it.
Speaker 4: I put it on the tables, like, I don't really
Speaker 4: get it. You want to do it.
Speaker 6: I think it's antiquated and a little silly to bring
Speaker 6: the government into this and sign paperwork and everybody gets
Speaker 6: fucked in the end usually and fifty percent don't work.
Speaker 2: But that's fair.
Speaker 4: I love you, it makes.
Speaker 6: You happy, YadA YadA, I'll do it, but I'm not
Speaker 6: I'm not doing the wedding.
Speaker 2: It's all you. Yeah, is that how you proposed?
Speaker 6: I was all on one day and she was like, okay,
Speaker 6: kind of bummer because I think everybody wants the fairy
Speaker 6: tale shit and uh, but this is.
Speaker 4: Who you like.
Speaker 2: You gotta be, Yeah, he gotta be you.
Speaker 6: And so she was like, all right, I'll and you know,
Speaker 6: in that moment, she was kind of like, I'll do everything,
Speaker 6: no worry about because you know, dorphins are going and
Speaker 6: all that. So she did the wedding and she killed it.
Speaker 1: It was a great wedding photo. Yeah, very cool. I think,
Speaker 1: what what what do you like about marriage?
Speaker 2: What do you dislike about marriage?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: This might be controversial, but I think, uh, when you marry.
Speaker 6: When I married her, she just chilled. I think a
Speaker 6: lot of ladies can be high strung, and she just
Speaker 6: like chilled. You're lockdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 6: My friends don't make fun of anymore. I pulled something off.
Speaker 6: I can, I can relax.
Speaker 2: How long were you dating before you got married?
Speaker 4: Seven years?
Speaker 2: Just like your friends are making fun of you seven years,
Speaker 2: seven years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not against marriage.
Speaker 2: You're not married, but you're married.
Speaker 3: Yeah, expecting, But I think I'm not against marriage. I'm
Speaker 3: against like the traditional sequence of marriage, like I do.
Speaker 3: This is controversial too, but I feel like we should
Speaker 3: have kids to determine and if you can spend the
Speaker 3: rest of your life with somebody, that's a great, that's
Speaker 3: a great. Well here's the thing you just said. Marriage
Speaker 3: ends in fifty percent divorce, right, I think it's sixty.
Speaker 3: But it's like, yes, you have I think you have
Speaker 3: a kid first. Right, if that kid tears you apart,
Speaker 3: like a lot of you know, kids just break up,
Speaker 3: then you know you're not the product of a divorce.
Speaker 3: You're like the product of a civil break up.
Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, my brother has I have a
Speaker 1: nephew who's eight now, and him and his baby mama.
Speaker 1: For the first year they were together, they fought, look
Speaker 1: like hell, they were never married, and then they broke
Speaker 1: up and they're the best co parents ever. Both they
Speaker 1: both date other people and they love hearing about it,
Speaker 1: and they're like really good friends. And I'm like this, right,
Speaker 1: you function better than a married couple right now.
Speaker 4: Court dates, no, no, none of that stuff.
Speaker 2: They're happy for each other. I'm like, damn, this kid
Speaker 2: has two very happy parents that love very much.
Speaker 3: Or if you have a kid and it brings you
Speaker 3: closer together and like like your love transcends to this
Speaker 3: new level, then you can get married.
Speaker 4: Now your kick can be part of the wedding. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly, we have it backwards.
Speaker 2: Did you have a kid on purpose? Was it an o?
Speaker 4: It was an oopsie? But it was a very an emotion. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm when a woman's in our thirties.
Speaker 2: She's like, ah, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah older, And I was like, it's part of the
Speaker 1: mid twenties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like yeah are you yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but and she has endometriosis, so she didn't even
Speaker 3: think she could conceive a child, like so.
Speaker 1: Many stories of women who couldn't have kids and they
Speaker 1: all have had like a miracle baby.
Speaker 3: Well she assumed, but it's not like we tried, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're just doing it right. So it was like she
Speaker 3: thinks this could be a miracle baby. I'm getting older,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, let's just keep it. Yeah he's gonna
Speaker 3: be yeah, honestly, Yeah, we did have the conversation of
Speaker 3: like what you do every time it got to the
Speaker 3: should we she would get emotional start crying, and I
Speaker 3: was like, that was the Yes, that was the answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, her getting emotional what we talked about.
Speaker 1: But had you talked about having a kid before the oopsie?
Speaker 4: We didn't talk about it, But like I knew that
Speaker 4: she would be the one that I want to have
Speaker 4: kids with.
Speaker 1: That's such a manly I just like just my psychic connection.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a conversation with my long term partner.
Speaker 2: What qualities make her the one you would have a
Speaker 2: kid with?
Speaker 3: We have had similar upbringings, types of parents. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say like emotionally absent, but.
Speaker 2: That yeah, we understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like war buddies in a way kind
Speaker 1: of Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Compatibility the most important things.
Speaker 1: Very important. And also how you fight. I didn't learn
Speaker 1: that until I was older. I'm like, oh, you have
Speaker 1: to like fight, not necessarily like shouting, but like when
Speaker 1: you argue with each other, that has to be like
Speaker 1: a good dance.
Speaker 4: Oh, she's so tame. Like everything's very irrational.
Speaker 3: Wow, Like my ex girlfriend is very irrational, you know, jealous,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like trust issues and there's none here.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 3: When we first started dating, she's like, I don't think
Speaker 3: i'd be mad if you slept with somebody.
Speaker 4: Else whoa nobody's ever since you get married.
Speaker 2: Please include that in about beautiful.
Speaker 4: Because the rules are a little different. Now.
Speaker 2: Was it a crazy moment when she took the test?
Speaker 1: I had a pregnancy scare only once, uh, not that
Speaker 1: long ago, and like telling my boyfriend it was like really,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I never said these words
Speaker 1: to a boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Is weird? Like strange?
Speaker 4: We were.
Speaker 3: I was on the road and I came back and
Speaker 3: as soon as I walked in, she was just like
Speaker 3: ghost face and she was just like, I'm pregnant, Like
Speaker 3: it was a sad It wasn't.
Speaker 4: Like a happy thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because she thought that I was going to
Speaker 3: immediately just be like abortion, get rid of it.
Speaker 4: So she was probing because she thought that I was
Speaker 4: going to be like upset.
Speaker 2: Do we need to call her? I can't imagine. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine being scared of you. You're such a nice guy.
Speaker 3: I think she was just scared because she wanted in
Speaker 3: her head, like to keep it and if.
Speaker 1: You want enthusiastic about it, she was never My initial
Speaker 1: response was going to be what was.
Speaker 2: What was your what was the first thing that popped
Speaker 2: in your head? When she said that, it was.
Speaker 3: Kind of like, all right, let's sit down and talk
Speaker 3: about it. It's like, yeah, we're very objective and you
Speaker 3: know that's logic. Great, we had to You're gonna be
Speaker 3: great parents.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, objective and logical. A people get that these days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. So I'm excited. Yeah two weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh so, like, what kind of preparation have you done?
Speaker 4: Moved back home with her parents temporarily?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: Are her parents cool?
Speaker 4: Oh? So cool? Yeah?
Speaker 3: We were living in Brooklyn and the rent was just
Speaker 3: insane and I want I want to buy a house.
Speaker 3: So we're like living with them temporarily. So I'm I'm
Speaker 3: shopping right now up in New England.
Speaker 1: Best babysitters are the parents, Oh yeah, christ like you
Speaker 1: don't have to feel guilty about that, like, and they
Speaker 1: love to be around a baby.
Speaker 3: She's from a Portuguese family and so yeah, like the
Speaker 3: tatia is the whole thing.
Speaker 1: My best friend does Portuguese actually just had a baby,
Speaker 1: her second baby today, So I was like, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, did you read any.
Speaker 4: Books the ones made of felt?
Speaker 1: No like books on my hat first time dad change.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 3: But I'm also just telling myself that no amount of
Speaker 3: preparation can prepare you.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's my use for notating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I watched TikTok.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah everything. Do you want kids? Mark? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: Oh nice.
Speaker 4: I think we're slowly coursing him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you held a baby like a newborn?
Speaker 6: I have, but I didn't like it. To me, it's
Speaker 6: just a liability. At your wedding, when I saw you
Speaker 6: playing with your niece, you're playing pool, you were like.
Speaker 4: Well, you look like a dad.
Speaker 6: A niece I can do. She's six, you know, she's
Speaker 6: got a personality. We can have a conversation. But the
Speaker 6: baby is just a big lump of nothing that you
Speaker 6: could kill very easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I think that's.
Speaker 1: Normal that my mom said. She's like, babies are kind
Speaker 1: of boring. She like, on once they talk, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: That's not even a crazy I don't think to say it.
Speaker 4: Can only go bad. There's not a lot of upside
Speaker 4: for holding a baby.
Speaker 1: To me, Well, I guess your camp burst to skin
Speaker 1: connection and and and unless bond that you're forming with
Speaker 1: your child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never had that.
Speaker 1: No, well it's not necessary for the baby. How is
Speaker 1: your upbringing?
Speaker 2: Mark? Like our parents emotionally present?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're workaholics.
Speaker 6: They're very waspy, you know, just like military parent like
Speaker 6: oh yeah yeah, shut up, go to work, look forward. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 6: don't emote. And then uh, they were they were never around.
Speaker 6: So it was just with my own devices, you know.
Speaker 6: And I had a big transvestite nanny who took care
Speaker 6: of us, and that was like my He taught me
Speaker 6: how to fight.
Speaker 2: With a with a with a wig on. It's a
Speaker 2: whole crazy story. Nice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh so I learned most things from him. Wow
Speaker 6: yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Are you still in contact with that Jamah?
Speaker 6: He died and he was killed in a sexual encounter
Speaker 6: because the guy thought it was a woman.
Speaker 1: Oh honestly, yeah, that goes with the staff very yeah,
Speaker 1: very calm.
Speaker 4: And that's the reason.
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, but yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2: When was the last time either of you guys cried?
Speaker 4: And why oh boy, let's see.
Speaker 1: You crying after the way a period for me, so
Speaker 1: you can track it and like write down the reason.
Speaker 1: Just so we can know what's going on a little.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we need one of those like factory things. Like
Speaker 6: last time you cry, yeah, I think for me it
Speaker 6: was during the movie Inside Out.
Speaker 2: That is a wonderful movie. My god. So you haven't
Speaker 2: cried in years?
Speaker 4: Literally?
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 4: I guess have like soul blue balls. Maybe I need to.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, what do you they call it when
Speaker 6: you don't have sex celibate?
Speaker 4: Maybe I I'd like to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crying cathartic as hell. It's like jizzing from your
Speaker 1: from your soul.
Speaker 4: It does. It feels that the system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like it feels so nice afterwards.
Speaker 1: It's like you just had sex, but not as fun.
Speaker 4: But I cried when I went through a break up
Speaker 4: and when my grandmother died.
Speaker 2: That was the last time you cried? How long ago
Speaker 2: we were talking.
Speaker 4: Like a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2: Was to go full year without crying.
Speaker 1: So I'm a big I've been a big crier of
Speaker 1: the past couple of years for certain events. But like
Speaker 1: before that, I wasn't a big crier. But I mean
Speaker 1: I would cry more than once a.
Speaker 4: Year, crying to you, like full blown.
Speaker 2: Tearing, you know, like watching a video of a puppy
Speaker 2: or a.
Speaker 4: Kid tearing up.
Speaker 3: When we were in Europe, we went to Paris, and uh,
Speaker 3: I got a little choked up because my grandma always
Speaker 3: wanted to take me to Perish she never did because
Speaker 3: she passed away, and this one took me on tour
Speaker 3: to Europe and we went on an improm trip to Paris,
Speaker 3: and I got a little choked up.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a very manly reason to cry,
Speaker 1: like something like level of sentimentality.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but it was like, you know, it was
Speaker 4: a moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like love a moment, yeah, big moment.
Speaker 4: Well, Paris, it's so romantic, romantic.
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful. Wow. You so you didn't cry
Speaker 2: when you found you're a baby. You didn't cry on
Speaker 2: your wedding day or when you proposed.
Speaker 4: Because it was like a conversation. It wasn't like, uh, yeah, wow,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna cry probably.
Speaker 2: When your baby is let us know. If you cry,
Speaker 2: I'll record it, okay, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I'll put it on your Patreon or something that could
Speaker 3: be a good girl wow jerking off the guys cry Well,
Speaker 3: my ex girlfriend was mad because I couldn't cry during sex.
Speaker 3: She's like, I want you to cry.
Speaker 1: Okay, but whoa, that's frightened man, notebook. No, no, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh.
Speaker 4: She wanted like staring in the eyes.
Speaker 2: She wanted to orchestrate that, like she wanted to force that.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: I told her I wasn't capable of it, and she
Speaker 3: thought it was like a sociopaths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, projected, She's that sociopathic. That's fucking weird. I've never
Speaker 2: heard that.
Speaker 3: I understand like emotional deep connection, which I always had.
Speaker 2: Have you, Okay, there is a big crier.
Speaker 1: Dre and I when I was in high school would
Speaker 1: have sex in the back of his mini man van
Speaker 1: in a fucking alley way in high school to like
Speaker 1: fucking cold play and just cry.
Speaker 4: We really we just.
Speaker 1: Loved each other so much and he was a very
Speaker 1: sweet guy and we yeah, we cried a lot, okay, okay, just.
Speaker 2: Like there was like a period where it was just
Speaker 2: we were so connected to it.
Speaker 4: Imagine walking by that mini van and being like, does
Speaker 4: a girl getting.
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I feel like those are two different centers of the
Speaker 3: brain that just should work independently from each other totally.
Speaker 1: And like the moments that you cried during sex, like
Speaker 1: it's usually just because you're overwhelmed by the connectedness and
Speaker 1: that that hasn't happened high school.
Speaker 4: Beautiful moment if you can both do it.
Speaker 1: I cried after more is like a like a like
Speaker 1: a release for like a like a very meaningful sex.
Speaker 4: But ye opposite.
Speaker 1: No, No, years and years ago, I did cry during
Speaker 1: sex because like it wasn't it was like consensual, but
Speaker 1: just like I was like, this doesn't feel right, and
Speaker 1: like I kind of wanted it to feel right.
Speaker 2: Maybe kind of a thing. Oh yeah, I get really emotional.
Speaker 1: This sounds like a I sound like a lunatic, but
Speaker 1: like the thing that bothers me most is when someone
Speaker 1: treats you really nicely and really and wants to be
Speaker 1: your boyfriend and you are trying to make yourself like
Speaker 1: them and you just.
Speaker 2: Don't felt that. I cry. I've cried over that probably
Speaker 2: more than any other dynamic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the guy's so sweet and he just yeah,
Speaker 1: I have tried for there are certain there's a couple
Speaker 1: one mainly like that. I've tried to like make it
Speaker 1: work for years because I'm like, he treats me so nicely,
Speaker 1: he loves me so much.
Speaker 2: I would have such a good life.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, well, I wouldn't have a good life
Speaker 1: because I don't You're not gone there, right?
Speaker 2: Do you ever feel that?
Speaker 1: Have you ever felt that with women like previously, like
Speaker 1: they like you so much?
Speaker 2: Is that not a guy thing?
Speaker 4: Like you like you want to let them down easy?
Speaker 1: Well, letting down easy. That's the thing that we've been
Speaker 1: talking about a lot on this show.
Speaker 2: Guys don't like doing that. Guys don't like don't women.
Speaker 2: Guys hate when women cry? Yes, why why?
Speaker 3: But I feel like you don't cry about just being
Speaker 3: honest and just yeah, it's the truth.
Speaker 1: And they will handle it, you know, even if we cry,
Speaker 1: it's fine, like it, that's our responsibility to handle it.
Speaker 1: Like with guy friends when they're like talking like bad
Speaker 1: about their girlfriends and they obviously want out of the relationship.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, give her the gift of giving her
Speaker 1: that time back so she can find someone who likes her.
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna hurt in the moment, but just pull
Speaker 1: the band aid off.
Speaker 2: Like it's not kind.
Speaker 1: And but then Mike is like, he's like, we're not
Speaker 1: doing it to save your feelings.
Speaker 2: We're doing it because like we are. Yet we don't
Speaker 2: want to go through the pain of the breakup. For us,
Speaker 2: it's like a pain in the ass and it's rough.
Speaker 1: You'd rather stay in a ship relationship, but there's nothing
Speaker 1: more suffocating.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I was when I first moved to City, I
Speaker 3: was like twenty six and I was dating this twenty
Speaker 3: two year olds like two months, and I was like
Speaker 3: head over heels in love with her, okay, And I
Speaker 3: remember she was like she just got back from a
Speaker 3: trip and she's like, hey, let's meet at this bar.
Speaker 4: And I was like all right. And we met at
Speaker 4: the bar and she was like, hey, I could tell
Speaker 4: her like do you.
Speaker 3: Always know when your about And I was like yeah,
Speaker 3: I know. And I was like, hey, but you're in
Speaker 3: your head. You're trying to do everything to counteract it.
Speaker 4: You die.
Speaker 2: We should play a trip, let's go to Bambas, Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe her parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And she's just like I don't think this is She's
Speaker 3: like this is going to work out.
Speaker 4: You're much older than I am.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I was so hurt that I got
Speaker 4: up and left the bar.
Speaker 2: You didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything, but years later I saw her
Speaker 3: on like people you made out on Facebook. I sent
Speaker 3: her message and I was just like, I was like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I got up and left.
Speaker 3: Like what you did was like the most courageous thing
Speaker 3: you could do as a twenty two year old girl,
Speaker 3: to like tell me to your face, tell me to
Speaker 3: my face.
Speaker 4: I was just like, hey, thanks for doing that.
Speaker 2: Was nice.
Speaker 3: Ever since that i've been did she write I break
Speaker 3: up the women into the face, don't ever contact me again.
Speaker 3: I hate you. No, she was like, after all these years,
Speaker 3: I can't believe remember that. She was like, no hard feelings,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: It's very sweet that you did that.
Speaker 3: But because you don't know until that happens to you,
Speaker 3: sure that it feels better to be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: glad I didn't waste my time.
Speaker 4: It stings, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, break up sting. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I asked a girl out on the phone. I danced
Speaker 6: with her at a sock cop and I was like,
Speaker 6: she's the one. I was probably like sixteen or fifteen,
Speaker 6: was one. She was so pretty. I was so into her.
Speaker 6: She was so cool, and I called her and I
Speaker 6: was so nervous. I had my dad sit with me
Speaker 6: and he was like, you got this. You got this
Speaker 6: and I called her and I was like, hey, I
Speaker 6: just wonder if you wanted to go to a movie sometime.
Speaker 6: And she was like, oh, you know, I got a
Speaker 6: lot going on. I said, I get it.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 4: You know I hate movie.
Speaker 6: And I hung up and I cried and my dad
Speaker 6: was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Come on, it was. It was pretty brutal.
Speaker 1: But it hurts to be vulnerable and they get rejected.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a fucking bummer.
Speaker 4: But I do think it's good for you.
Speaker 2: It's very good. I think more people could go through that.
Speaker 2: I think the humbling.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, the bar for discomfort is going so low
Speaker 6: that people are like, I felt disrespected at this restaurant,
Speaker 6: so they just go on a fucking tirade online. And
Speaker 6: you're like, that's what that's what got you this. You
Speaker 6: got to save those tirades for a real moment, right,
Speaker 6: you know?
Speaker 1: It for me prepares you like these moment moments of
Speaker 1: being vulnerable and being rejected for the entertainment business. I mean,
Speaker 1: what was your worst ever rejection, either romantic or otherwise?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I mean it's so many, so many,
Speaker 6: just like I've pitched. I think I've pitched nineteen shows
Speaker 6: you know obviously never had one. Yeah, try to get
Speaker 6: specials made.
Speaker 4: We all know.
Speaker 6: And then you thank God for the Internet. What were
Speaker 6: we doing without podcasting and YouTube and Instagram?
Speaker 2: Take it in your own hands.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so the gatekeepers and they're all clue. They turned
Speaker 6: down all the friends I know who are now millionaires
Speaker 6: and all this shit, and so yeah, I don't want
Speaker 6: to get into all that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh yeah, no, we've we've had this very
Speaker 2: similar experience.
Speaker 6: The rejection is ninety nine point nine to one zero
Speaker 6: point one percent.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Was your biggest rejection besides.
Speaker 4: I want to see the biggest.
Speaker 3: But I was applying for a master's program, and I
Speaker 3: took all these prerequds of courses assuming I was going
Speaker 3: to get into this this school. And I spent like,
Speaker 3: you know, a couple thousand dollars and all these like courses,
Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, I should be getting
Speaker 3: that acceptance letter any day now. I got a wait list,
Speaker 3: and I drove up to the school that day into
Speaker 3: the dams of energy. Oh they were they were caught guard.
Speaker 3: I'll say that they were caughtf guard. And I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I just got this weight weightless letter. I just want
Speaker 3: to know what this is all about.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're on a weight list.
Speaker 3: I was. I showed some gusto, I showed some tenacity,
Speaker 3: and uh, I was like, yeah, I just I took
Speaker 3: all these prerecords of courses. I was really banking on,
Speaker 3: you know, getting to this program. And they're like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: you know the applications are graded on a blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and then like two weeks later, congratulations, you've been accepted.
Speaker 4: I was like, my school shooter energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But as they said that, somebody dropped out in
Speaker 3: the spot.
Speaker 4: But I think it was because I drove up that day.
Speaker 2: I mean, you were showing that you really wanted to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can't apply that with love because that's creepy.
Speaker 2: No, you can't, right, yeah, well and especially I mean
Speaker 2: like ever.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, every now and then, a guy
Speaker 1: making that drastic of a move for a woman does work,
Speaker 1: but you know a woman does.
Speaker 2: It to a guy. It's it's always psycho, why we can't,
Speaker 2: why we show up.
Speaker 3: I think it's also psycho for a guy to like
Speaker 3: after it breaks over a guy like I read love
Speaker 3: letters day after a breakup and then somebody's like, don't
Speaker 3: send that. Don't send that, because it's going to push
Speaker 3: her away even further. You're spilling your heart too much.
Speaker 2: When you got dumped and then you were Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wrote like a huge, like a graph, like a
Speaker 3: novel text. I just was so close to like hitting send,
Speaker 3: trembling and.
Speaker 1: In the text that you have to at least send
Speaker 1: it in like an email email.
Speaker 2: If it's going to be that long, nothing scarier than
Speaker 2: receiving a long Yeah. Yeah, it is unhinged for sure.
Speaker 1: I also let you just you've then picture a person
Speaker 1: like this, and it's like, at least go to the laptop.
Speaker 3: That's my advice, is just proof free send it to
Speaker 3: a friend to dwindle down a little bit.
Speaker 1: The emotions dissipates a little bit, and then maybe you
Speaker 1: don't want to send it.
Speaker 2: You have a totally different attitude about sending it the
Speaker 2: next day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when you get dumped, you got to give
Speaker 1: it thirty days for either like the thirty day role,
Speaker 1: like you really have.
Speaker 2: To do it. The thing.
Speaker 1: It's different though, like if you do the dumping, So
Speaker 1: that's a little.
Speaker 2: Different strategy, right right, right.
Speaker 4: Dorying a gun.
Speaker 3: There should be a waiting period, yes, but you low
Speaker 3: key want like if you break up with the guy
Speaker 3: I do, look, you want them to be reaching out
Speaker 3: like bombarding you, like do you if they did.
Speaker 1: It with your girlfriend and I'd be like, Nah, this
Speaker 1: relationship's done. But if we're seeing each other and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to be here as much
Speaker 1: as I do, so we're done, And then they did that,
Speaker 1: that's the perfect opportunity to do that. Yeah, Prependen, the
Speaker 1: breakup happened. I think like what the reasons were if
Speaker 1: if there if it was, because there's like most times,
Speaker 1: like the breakups that I would want to hear from
Speaker 1: the people again, or like when they I broke up
Speaker 1: not because I don't love you, but because you're not
Speaker 1: showing up in this way, right, And I think men
Speaker 1: clearly know the difference between like I'm just not into
Speaker 1: you anymore and like you're just not showing up. I
Speaker 1: also think a lot of men get into relationships because
Speaker 1: they're threatened by like I'll just leave if you don't
Speaker 1: want to date me, and then they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're boyfriend girlfriend And.
Speaker 2: That's how that happens. Yeah, why do we have to threaten? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 4: We just don't want to date.
Speaker 1: There's not much there's dating for the guy really emotional support.
Speaker 1: I feel about marriage though, I mean, like when you
Speaker 1: look into marriage, marriage is really like a better business
Speaker 1: deal for like these days, it's a better business deal.
Speaker 2: For a man. I like, so, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Women are just very not in your position because of
Speaker 1: your income and uh notoriety. But like you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, in olden days, sure it's like you know,
Speaker 1: women are getting a dowry and stuff, but now it's
Speaker 1: just like we're basically taking on a lot of free
Speaker 1: household tasks that we wouldn't have. But then we're both
Speaker 1: going out into the work field. So but I'm not
Speaker 1: getting anything else except for like the title of life,
Speaker 1: which really doesn't interest me.
Speaker 4: No, it's not much there. And you've got to carry
Speaker 4: a baby.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, but that's if I wanted one. I
Speaker 2: think that would be the coolest part though, That would
Speaker 2: be cool because human in you what.
Speaker 1: Gro that's crazy and you're not you don't you're not
Speaker 1: sitting there going all right, now, grow your dick, now,
Speaker 1: grow your happens.
Speaker 4: I'm crazy.
Speaker 3: Seeing the sonogram is like it's you see the heartbeat
Speaker 3: and then you see the mouth open because it takes
Speaker 3: it takes in the amniotic fluid.
Speaker 2: So it's like, whoa, that's wild.
Speaker 4: That's what I got. That's the last time I cried.
Speaker 1: Sorry, there has to be something baby related that me.
Speaker 2: You cry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but now that men can get pregnant, all right,
Speaker 6: But that's why I said I'm with you. Marriage is weird.
Speaker 6: It's a weird idea.
Speaker 2: Wait, so but you've never gotten Oh yeah, do you
Speaker 2: have a prenup?
Speaker 4: I thought about it.
Speaker 2: You didn't get one.
Speaker 4: Nah, I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Mark you get a posting up. They're very hot right now?
Speaker 4: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we encourage it's a prenup, be like we're married.
Speaker 1: But I actually main this out his paperwork. Oh interesting, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like if what happened to Adele and then
Speaker 1: get up?
Speaker 2: She got her money taken?
Speaker 1: Well. I think like modern women like so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things like you know that I think maybe
Speaker 1: are not beneficial to men, like you're not pulling all
Speaker 1: the wool over our eyes anymore with some things. But
Speaker 1: I I do think that any modern woman should be
Speaker 1: very open and not at all insulted by a prenup.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually crazy and today to not get
Speaker 1: for anyone across the board, whether you have money or not,
Speaker 1: because you don't know what the future is going to hold.
Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: What like almost like if you're like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: need a prenup, it's like you're telling me that you
Speaker 1: have No, you're not.
Speaker 2: You're not planning on being successful. Yeah, I'm planning on
Speaker 2: being my whole right.
Speaker 3: It also says that I'm I don't know how to thrive. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: what are you saying you can't? Like you're adults for
Speaker 3: yourself and sure shelter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, Yeah, Mark, I'm intrigued by something you said.
Speaker 1: You've never gotten anything out of a relationship.
Speaker 6: No, I've definitely gotten stuff. But I think for the
Speaker 6: most part, if a guy doesn't want to go out
Speaker 6: with you, you shouldn't want to go out with him
Speaker 6: because he's not gonna be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: But I think a lot of women are like, come on,
Speaker 6: what are we what is this? The guy in the
Speaker 6: guy's head, he's like, this is exactly how much I
Speaker 6: want to give right with.
Speaker 2: The listeners all the time. Why would you be running out.
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand, Like if this is not like
Speaker 1: a challenge, You're not winning some game, You're you're losing.
Speaker 6: You're fortuing somebody. It's it's the unconsensual dating now you know,
Speaker 6: like you are not sad to his consent?
Speaker 2: Have you ever Mark initiated a relationship? No? Have you done?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 2: It's not like you know, you seem like you have
Speaker 2: more feminine energy about.
Speaker 4: Oh I do. That's why I trouble answering that masculinity question.
Speaker 1: Good see, like I think you have a nice amount
Speaker 1: of it because you don't seem not masculine, Like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of gentle masculine.
Speaker 2: Like I was walking around.
Speaker 1: Williamsburg like the other day and I'm like, everyone can't
Speaker 1: be gay.
Speaker 2: It's just that I'm reading everyone.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's like just statistically, all these people
Speaker 1: can't be homosexuals.
Speaker 3: Great, right, So physical appearance and you know, societal stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm very into and I have been for years.
Speaker 1: Like I'm dressing like Eddie Izzard, Like I was like
Speaker 1: I wanted to, but now Eddie Izard, now is is
Speaker 1: she trans?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Because I mean like when when she first came out,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, using the word transvestite but still
Speaker 1: referring to herself as a he.
Speaker 2: And now it's fully so it's interest.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, but like has not changed the name
Speaker 1: doesn't really changed appearance that much. Like I saw her
Speaker 1: do a play recently and was still kind of like
Speaker 1: the classic Dressed to Kill Alfit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's her name?
Speaker 2: Eddie's So you can have a female Eddie? Yeah, because
Speaker 2: Eddie ye for girls. Yeah, me too, Ryan, that's a
Speaker 2: great that's a great.
Speaker 4: One, like Murphy the daughter and interest teller.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was a great. Uh do you know
Speaker 2: are you having a boy or girl?
Speaker 4: We're gonna be surprised.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's what I would want to.
Speaker 1: My brother did that and both my parents did that
Speaker 1: with us. I did that because then you're not putting
Speaker 1: anything on the kid.
Speaker 2: No, you're just meeting them.
Speaker 4: And some people are confusing, like what color you're you
Speaker 4: going to get it blue or randomly? I don't like
Speaker 4: those colored orange.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, the baby doesn't have a color.
Speaker 1: My room was yellow because it was like we did
Speaker 1: they didn't know. So it's just a what it works
Speaker 1: for anything.
Speaker 3: Also, there's so many cute like gray one disease with
Speaker 3: ice cream cones and giraffes, just like it's all cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is all cute.
Speaker 4: They're going to grow out of the ship anyway, every
Speaker 4: two weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's one of those New York Times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we were obsessed with this.
Speaker 1: Like there's a list of like thirty something questions that
Speaker 1: the New York Times put out that basically helps you
Speaker 1: fall in love with a partner. Oh, but we want
Speaker 1: we like to go through them. And this is when
Speaker 1: we haven't done on the show yet. But it's good
Speaker 1: for you guys because you both have partners. So the
Speaker 1: same question for both of you, named three things you
Speaker 1: and your partner appear to have in common that jump.
Speaker 2: Out to you.
Speaker 4: We're both attracted to women. Oh that's what helps. That's convenient.
Speaker 4: And you're the one. Yeah, both have in common. Uh,
Speaker 4: we're both were both like, we both like comedy.
Speaker 3: Wet we met through comedy, so we both She a comedian, No,
Speaker 3: she's a producers Oh wow, nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we both like uh Portuguese food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love being a man. This is yeah, these
Speaker 2: these are just so like we both like soup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, love that you chose face value things
Speaker 1: because I would be like, we both want to make
Speaker 1: the world a better place.
Speaker 2: We both believe that this is not the only realm
Speaker 2: that we're living in.
Speaker 4: I did answer earlier. So we had the similar upbringing,
Speaker 4: So that's we have that.
Speaker 2: That's a big one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, environmental, sure, Familial, yes, how about you Mark Mark struggling, No.
Speaker 4: He took mine.
Speaker 6: I would say funny, both fun funny, love, loving to laugh,
Speaker 6: love jokes, love all that, and U very She's very opinionated,
Speaker 6: as am I. I don't get these guys who who
Speaker 6: don't like a lady with an opinion. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: which is so strange because it's like where should we eat?
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 6: This is so boring. I would even rather a bad
Speaker 6: opinion than no opinion. Give me a qan on something
Speaker 6: at least entertaining. Yeah. But yeah, so she's got great takes,
Speaker 6: you know, like we'll watch a movie or watch the
Speaker 6: news and she's like, oh this is because of this,
Speaker 6: and I'm like.
Speaker 4: Oh, you ship, you're right.
Speaker 6: So she's a great, great mind for stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and it's really uh it's some lightning.
Speaker 3: Pitiad but not stubborn. Yeah, sure, there's one more?
Speaker 4: Oh is it three?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Sorry sorry?
Speaker 2: And then she's she's.
Speaker 6: Fun loving, like she's not one of the I'm so
Speaker 6: sick of these every TikTok and everything's like I go
Speaker 6: to bed at eight, whoa, then I like a nap,
Speaker 6: I stay in on Saturday. I'm like, get out of here.
Speaker 6: You you know. She's like, let's do something, let's get up.
Speaker 6: She's very spontaneous adventure.
Speaker 4: It was her idea for the sex club. Yes, I
Speaker 4: was even like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: I saw the photos. You guys looked like daddy, daddy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to dress up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like I thought you meant like a
Speaker 1: full nude.
Speaker 2: Literally, it was that's what you did.
Speaker 4: Mean Okay, we had sex in the club.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did you have sex?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was walking around awkwardly and wow, yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2: They let you in single. Yeah, sometimes that's a rule
Speaker 2: for sex. I don't know a single man. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean we looked at it was it was a
Speaker 3: costume party, you know, I mean it was like a
Speaker 3: life shove for them.
Speaker 4: We were just like, let's go see what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Awkwardly, early though, it was like the bartenders.
Speaker 4: Were like counting the petty cash. It was like nine pm,
Speaker 4: but he was there. It was weird. We took mushrooms.
Speaker 2: You guys went out all out.
Speaker 6: I banged her in the in the like on the
Speaker 6: dance floor, and a guy tapped me on the shoulder
Speaker 6: and said me next, and I said no, thank you, and.
Speaker 2: He wanted to fuck you.
Speaker 6: No to her, he was like he thought, I think
Speaker 6: she thought she was just like a sex lady.
Speaker 4: And and then.
Speaker 6: I looked at every ladies and sex so that it's
Speaker 6: already you know, I'm not like a public guy I've
Speaker 6: done for but this is this is a club, this
Speaker 6: is this is tough, like keeping a boner. You know,
Speaker 6: she's bumped over. It's a lot going on and techno blaring,
Speaker 6: and this.
Speaker 4: Girl chains and dog collars and chest harnesses.
Speaker 6: It's a wacky experience. Then I get the tap. I'm like,
Speaker 6: no thanks. And then I looked at my left and
Speaker 6: it's an old guy just rubbing it out, staring at
Speaker 6: and I was like, all right, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, did you make sure that you as like
Speaker 1: a friend, were far away from your friend with all.
Speaker 3: The people that recognized Mark at the sex club, all
Speaker 3: the people that were like.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, because I was like, to
Speaker 1: get more recognizable. So that's kind of stuff is harder
Speaker 1: and harder to engage club I was at, I got recognized,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that ruined it for me because
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I did, because that I'll look
Speaker 1: comfortable and I do not want like a sex club environment.
Speaker 1: Yes it's awkward, but it's not uncomfortable in that way.
Speaker 1: But when you feel like you're getting watched because they
Speaker 1: know who you are, yeah, go home and say I
Speaker 1: saw so and so fucking I do. If you want,
Speaker 1: I got intel on a sex club membership for celebrities.
Speaker 2: Uh, oh yes I do.
Speaker 1: And it's a it's run by somebody who is the
Speaker 1: person that runs the best sex club and so.
Speaker 4: Take d F level.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So if you guys want.
Speaker 3: I use your membership card. Yeah yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They bag the phones up, which is huge. Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 3: Nobody's like this communicating with each other. It's so funny
Speaker 3: having like intellectual conversations wearing a dog collar.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's yeah, yeah, life is.
Speaker 4: So weird, strange, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: People are odd. Yeah, it's his next question. So, okay,
Speaker 2: I have a would you rather.
Speaker 4: You two? Nothing? Never mind?
Speaker 2: Would you rather this is for both of you.
Speaker 1: Date a woman with a pH d or date a
Speaker 1: professional a model.
Speaker 6: That's tough because the PhD could be a model or
Speaker 6: could look.
Speaker 4: Like a model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is definitely not a professional model.
Speaker 4: The model could get her pH d or is this
Speaker 4: the she can't?
Speaker 2: No, she can't. Hey you you run with this the
Speaker 2: way she can? But is she going to?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And the model model could be plus sized model.
Speaker 2: That's a model, but they're models. They're hot like the
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, that's for the show. Mark could be
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Just the model is a model.
Speaker 1: I've seen Ashley Graham person one of the most beautiful women.
Speaker 1: She says she's so I saw on the subway and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my christ.
Speaker 2: It's all friends.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that you have to be attracted to
Speaker 1: any So wait whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 6: It's just funny. How if you say you're not in
Speaker 6: a plus sized women, women get mad. But if you
Speaker 6: say I'm not in the hot women, women don't get mad.
Speaker 2: Oh me too, exactly. So women deal with rejection probably
Speaker 2: maybe worse than men.
Speaker 1: Probably, Well you guys, are you guys in it from
Speaker 1: a young age, and so it's like, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've had I've gone up to girls at a
Speaker 6: bar and they just look at me like, ah, you know,
Speaker 6: you're like okay.
Speaker 2: She's though, well, yeah, but it always doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: You're a good looking guy.
Speaker 6: Like what, I'm five ten. I think that factors in
Speaker 6: its tall. I don't know, that's not tall enough.
Speaker 2: It's not sure I would categorize. It'll take enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's enough. No one should be laughing at five ten.
Speaker 4: All right, maybe I had a bad line too, who knows?
Speaker 2: Okay, so wait which one which you were?
Speaker 4: Oh that's a tough one because the pH D doesn't
Speaker 4: mean she's cool.
Speaker 2: Neither is a model.
Speaker 6: No, I agree both of them. It's not of information.
Speaker 6: Who do you want to be with a relationship or
Speaker 6: who do we want to bang?
Speaker 3: No, be with, be with I'd say PhD, I guess,
Speaker 3: so yeah, just because I think you're I guess.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not really any information because a very
Speaker 6: open minded PhD woman could be a serial killer.
Speaker 2: Totally neither of them are serial killers.
Speaker 1: Give you that piece that one, Yeah, that's the one
Speaker 1: we're wanted for serial killing.
Speaker 6: But if we're if we're talking a relationship, you gotta
Speaker 6: go PhD.
Speaker 4: Well, PhD could be boring too, doesn't have tough questions,
Speaker 4: but gauging.
Speaker 2: More important. Smarter hot. I guess when you really boil.
Speaker 4: It relationship PhD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if we're just talking, have sexy piece of paper.
Speaker 2: You have right, right? Right right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I agree with that remardless of
Speaker 1: the degree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Okay, And then do you want to do rock Card Takes?
Speaker 1: You have them here, Yeah, I have one. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we have this segment called rock Hard Takes where we
Speaker 1: just throw out a subject and you have to give
Speaker 1: us a rock hard take right away and defend your position.
Speaker 1: The whole point of the segment is like just to
Speaker 1: pick a side and just go hard on it. What
Speaker 1: is your opinion on it? And you could kind of
Speaker 1: take this however you would like. Okay, so we'll go
Speaker 1: with Mark rock Card take straight men having hot female friends.
Speaker 6: Uh, I think there's something behind it. Rock Card Takes.
Speaker 6: They're they're uh, they're they're playing the slow game or
Speaker 6: they're they wouldn't turn it down if she went for
Speaker 6: it with with them. Okay, so I think it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 6: I don't think that's rock hard. I think that's a semi.
Speaker 4: Keeping around the hot friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like dying on the hell like these are
Speaker 3: my friends. Yeah, yeah, that's there's Yeah, there's an agenda.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, no PhDs in the mix.
Speaker 6: No, So yeah, then there's there's a plan there, right, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 6: likes being around hot women a lot. But if they
Speaker 6: pounced on him, he would definitely not turn it down.
Speaker 6: He wouldn't be like we're friends. He would go for it.
Speaker 3: It depends if these if these hot friends are just
Speaker 3: miraculously appearing throughout the duration of the relationship, they need
Speaker 3: to be Like it's almost like a detective pole, like
Speaker 3: you gotta tell me if you have hot friends?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like upfront, all the cards, do either of you have
Speaker 2: hot female friends?
Speaker 4: No pigs?
Speaker 2: We walked right into that one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't put lipstick on one of
Speaker 6: these or tested on it.
Speaker 1: But like there is like this you know rumor and
Speaker 1: girl land where or I guess maybe Guyland told it
Speaker 1: to us, where if any like any of a guy's
Speaker 1: girlfriends asked to fuck, they would say yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, friends, And I'm like, I know who they've fucked,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, there's no sexual chemistry and i know
Speaker 3: because you know who they fucked.
Speaker 2: They fucked someone, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have that like where I know, like
Speaker 1: a guy has fucked someone that's so low grade that
Speaker 1: it actually was like I actually can't fuck you too.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's criteria, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But it's like when couples are like, oh, I'm best
Speaker 3: friends with my ex, it's like one person is in
Speaker 3: love friends. Maybe maybe one person does have those platonic feelings,
Speaker 3: but one person definitely is holding out hope.
Speaker 6: I can already feel the women hating us listeners.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, we endorse.
Speaker 1: No, we've had much more difficult guests on you guys
Speaker 1: for being lovely.
Speaker 2: All right, rock Cart take men in the delivery room.
Speaker 1: I would like to be there where like where where
Speaker 1: would you be like in front of.
Speaker 2: In front of the tower or behind the towel?
Speaker 4: Yea, it depends they don't want you behind. I did
Speaker 4: the research on yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't. They recommend that you don't look at the
Speaker 2: They want you up by the head. I mean, would
Speaker 2: you want to Well, so there's.
Speaker 3: A term called catching the baby, which is from where
Speaker 3: you actually have to pull it out and announce the
Speaker 3: sex and whatever. And uh, I think I could just
Speaker 3: focus on the baby.
Speaker 4: And maybe there's like an auting I.
Speaker 2: Could do is getting squirted out of a lady and
Speaker 2: there's probably fecal matter.
Speaker 4: Ye, you've heard that. It does change your perspective on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want my bad. Oh, you are okay, because
Speaker 1: it's you have to do right side up.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, so you have to be on the
Speaker 2: other side.
Speaker 4: But I think I would if it was a natural birth.
Speaker 4: I think I would.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'd be there, yeah, on the on the pussy end, just.
Speaker 4: Because what if that never happens again? You never get
Speaker 4: to see that.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could just watch a video of someone else
Speaker 1: giving birth. I don't have to look at your own.
Speaker 1: You see, you've both seen it, like health class. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that traumatized that me traumatized me.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I mean the whole thing is it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, which and it's cool, it's like, oh, boy,
Speaker 1: like a baby in sex, even though that's how the
Speaker 1: baby gets there.
Speaker 2: They're just so, they're just they're separate categories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard women have orgasms delivering.
Speaker 2: I've heard that too. Sounds fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I came.
Speaker 2: Geez.
Speaker 1: That made me feel uncomforable though, because it's like it
Speaker 1: feels pedophilic.
Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, it is weird. Pregnant sex is weird.
Speaker 1: Well, you see the baby as your birth in it,
Speaker 1: you're just like right, But if you're orgas amazing your birth,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: My kid just made me come. I would not got
Speaker 2: past that.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: I mean a bicycles made me come before.
Speaker 1: But I don't get I don't have to raise a
Speaker 1: huffy about Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I can't talk back to you. Also, Mike, what is
Speaker 2: this word? Before Halloween?
Speaker 6: Have to raise a huffy of the title. Oh and
Speaker 6: you didn't have a seat on it too. That that
Speaker 6: helped the poles just right up there?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, begging.
Speaker 1: Okay, last Rock card take couples Halloween costumes?
Speaker 4: Oh together when they match?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when it's you know, like Scooby doing down May.
Speaker 4: I'm fine with that. I don't get. I don't see
Speaker 4: why that's the problem.
Speaker 3: You have to be very creative. Like my ex and
Speaker 3: I were Jack and Rose when they were frozen.
Speaker 2: Good costume, it's a great idea.
Speaker 3: So we have like the white makeup that was really good,
Speaker 3: frost and gray.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was good.
Speaker 2: That was But was that your idea?
Speaker 4: It was hers?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know if it was like this is
Speaker 2: your coming out episode or so.
Speaker 4: I will say. I was like, all right, I guess
Speaker 4: we have to do it, which is kind of like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you felt but so it didn't feel emasculating
Speaker 1: or like, did any of your guy friends say anything
Speaker 1: like about it that felt the meaning to you?
Speaker 2: Behind your back? Your back? They did?
Speaker 3: Maybe they dug over here we were zombies. We walked
Speaker 3: in the party, were blasting Selene Dean. They're like, what
Speaker 3: are you zombies?
Speaker 2: No, that was such a clever costume. I remember that one. Yeah.
Speaker 4: As long as it's funny and clever, you're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done it? But has your wife ever
Speaker 1: asked you? No?
Speaker 4: Never asked. But I'm not against. I don't see why that's.
Speaker 2: If you think of a good idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did see Halloween I saw a flow from
Speaker 3: Progressive and Mayhem.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was nice. That's cute.
Speaker 6: I saw good when it was a lady as a
Speaker 6: horse I had a horse costume and her boyfriend was
Speaker 6: a superman in a wheelchair true story. I was like,
Speaker 6: that's pretty good fun. Yeah, but see those work independently
Speaker 6: of each other, super wheelchair, Like that's pretty good together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: It was. It was the nineties.
Speaker 1: Well we have to wrap up, but you you both
Speaker 1: have specials. Yes, Doug Mark produced your special.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my first special. It's called Mother of the
Speaker 3: Year the Year yep. I recorded at the Comedy Connection
Speaker 3: Providence and uh Mark, let me put it on his YouTube.
Speaker 2: Nice to get some get some views. Yeah please yeah.
Speaker 4: Check it out now with charts about the one hundred k.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we actually comment and say that you were
Speaker 3: you were sent by the gels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, graduation and Mark, you have a spout.
Speaker 2: You have a I.
Speaker 6: Got a got a YouTube special as well, then a
Speaker 6: Netflix out right now called Soup to Nuts.
Speaker 4: Check it out. It's fun. It's very funny.
Speaker 6: And uh yeah, all kinds of pods and we got
Speaker 6: stuff Instagram, Parkman, Comedy dot coup do key comedy.
Speaker 2: There you go, folks, gorgeous. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is fun. What's for dinner?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, eat it?
Speaker 3: Uh she thought about sending it out to get pills made. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it helps the postmark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: You gotta get a specialist in there in the delivery room,
Speaker 3: like and like the cord blood too.
Speaker 4: That's what I think. Keep themselves cancer.
Speaker 2: Oh what the fuck.
Speaker 4: You have to have to preserve it like your ego.
Speaker 3: It's like a harvesting thing. And then you got to
Speaker 3: pay annually to keep it. So when do you get
Speaker 3: a funnel in there? I mean, how do you think
Speaker 3: you can keep the umbilical cord tissue? The umbilical cord blood?
Speaker 4: Too much?
Speaker 3: It's too crunchy granola. So I'm just gonna drink the
Speaker 3: breast milk and put.
Speaker 4: In prost a lot of nutrients. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
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