Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Vanessa Beyer and this is my brother Jonah.
Speaker 3: We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood
Speaker 3: and nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 2: Today, who love our guests for us. Today, our guest.
Speaker 3: Welcome to how did We get Weird?
Speaker 2: Jonah. I'm so excited for today's guest because not only
Speaker 2: is she a friend of mine, but when she used
Speaker 2: to be in the writer's room for my show, every month,
Speaker 2: we'd get to guess her water bill.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a game we'd play and if we
Speaker 2: would win, whoever won got like some kind of prize
Speaker 2: from her. And because she's not only an incredible writer,
Speaker 2: but also an author and a poet and an artist,
Speaker 2: some of us would get art, some of us would
Speaker 2: get poetry, just because we could get close to guessing
Speaker 2: her water bill. Now, Jonah, what was your water bill
Speaker 2: this month? And if I guess it, will you give
Speaker 2: me a prize?
Speaker 3: Sure? I don't know the exact amount off the top
Speaker 3: of my head, but let me get I know roughly
Speaker 3: how we have water and sewer bundle together. We're in
Speaker 3: kind of a city water type situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe we should wait until our guest comes on today,
Speaker 2: and then she and I can both guess and you
Speaker 2: can tell us who wins. Sure, yeah, okay, okay, that
Speaker 2: sounds great.
Speaker 3: All right, why don't you give an intro?
Speaker 2: Okay, As our guest has already experienced, Jonah and I
Speaker 2: are getting into a couple of little fights today. Our
Speaker 2: guest today is our writer, poet, actor and artist who
Speaker 2: is the recipient of a poetry Fellowship from the New
Speaker 2: York Foundation of the Arts, and who has written for
Speaker 2: some of your favorite shows, including Transparent, The Sex Lives
Speaker 2: of College Girls, and your very very favorite show I
Speaker 2: Love That for you. Please welcome my friend Alli leeb
Speaker 2: gott Hi, Hi, Ali, Hello.
Speaker 1: I want to say that well water and power and
Speaker 1: sewage are often bundled.
Speaker 2: Vanessa.
Speaker 1: You don't just get a bill for just the water,
Speaker 1: although there is a breakdown.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I get like a quarterly water and sewer,
Speaker 3: so like every three months, I get a bill.
Speaker 2: Where are you what state?
Speaker 3: I'm in West in the Berkshire Western So you have
Speaker 3: water there? We have water? Yes, Yes, we do have
Speaker 3: water here. Yes?
Speaker 2: Is your bill bundled or were you just having a guess?
Speaker 2: One part of the poat No, it was.
Speaker 1: It's Burbank Water and Power BWP as we call it.
Speaker 1: And also what a way to like boost listeners. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: but like it's broken down between water, electric, and sewage.
Speaker 2: So electric's really what gets you in California. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: big time to go back to getting as many listeners
Speaker 2: as possible. I will say that electricity in California, that's
Speaker 2: absolutely where they get you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually have solar here so that's pretty nice.
Speaker 3: Oh nice that offset some of the stuff. But Ali,
Speaker 3: would people get pretty close to your bill?
Speaker 1: Well, people like to gamble, right, so it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: just like if you.
Speaker 2: Would win things. I started it.
Speaker 1: I think when I worked on the sex Lives of
Speaker 1: College Girls. I think that's where the game started. And
Speaker 1: you would win things like it could really vary an
Speaker 1: Apple watch or whoa sixty day sobriety key chain from
Speaker 1: gamblers anonymous.
Speaker 2: You really didn't know what you were going to get,
Speaker 2: and all are the key are the gifts coming from you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a drawer of shit, you know, And
Speaker 1: so you get something out of the drawer or maybe
Speaker 1: you want like a homemade T shirt or you want
Speaker 1: a painting, you know, or something like that, but that's
Speaker 1: so the and we did prices right rules so you
Speaker 1: couldn't go over, you know. So it's like the bill
Speaker 1: would come and you know, I just would be sweating
Speaker 1: with excitement. And then it was like everyone would have
Speaker 1: to because it was on Zoom. We were on Zoom.
Speaker 1: You would have to change your Zoom name to your
Speaker 1: guests of your dollar.
Speaker 2: So you were locked in. Locked in, yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 2: you could see who was where, right.
Speaker 1: And for a second we all felt happiness before we
Speaker 1: found out whether we were winners or losers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: It is a little I did think now I think
Speaker 1: sex Lives is on season three.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I am tempted.
Speaker 1: To just send a text to the group brand of
Speaker 1: the show I no longer work on saying the bill came, guys,
Speaker 1: to say someone.
Speaker 3: Of guess, yeah, I think you should do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you should too. I've experimented with that
Speaker 2: a little bit where sometimes if there was a new
Speaker 2: Bloomers show coming out, I would talk about it when
Speaker 2: I was at SNL with all the writers in cast.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, if anyone wants to come with me,
Speaker 2: I'm going to the Bloomer show, which for anyone who
Speaker 2: hasn't ever listened to me talk. Bloomers was my all
Speaker 2: female sketch comedy and musical parody troupe in college. And
Speaker 2: then I kind of experimented with like a couple of
Speaker 2: years after I had left SNL, texting like the same
Speaker 2: random group of writers and cast and telling them about
Speaker 2: the new Bloomers show, and I would say it was
Speaker 2: met with a lot of like enthusiasm. I think people
Speaker 2: long for those simpler days when they were talk about
Speaker 2: your water Bill or the Bloomers show.
Speaker 3: You know, So, Vanessa, would anyone ever go with you
Speaker 3: to the Bloomer show? From that thread?
Speaker 2: No one ever came with me, That's what, right, But
Speaker 2: I do think they enjoyed hearing me talk about it,
Speaker 2: so if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think probably there were some people who were
Speaker 1: very annoyed by the water Bill game some people who
Speaker 1: just delighted in it. So that's where I'm no Vanessa
Speaker 1: Bayer with the charm you know you gotta come on.
Speaker 1: Is Bloomers like like late Bloomers or.
Speaker 2: Like, well, it's that's a great question. It's actually named
Speaker 2: after Amelia Bloomer, who invented the pantaloons. That are bloomers.
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my first guest. That's really eazy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was going to see the pants. But then for
Speaker 1: a second I thought, wait, is it is that? Am
Speaker 1: I remembering right?
Speaker 2: That's correct? Yeah? Wow? Yeah, yeah it's name. And now
Speaker 2: I can't take credit because it was it started in
Speaker 2: the seventies, right, So but I can talk about it
Speaker 2: all the time, and and to go back to the
Speaker 2: water bills, not that we can come back to this anytime.
Speaker 2: To go back to the water bills. I think you're
Speaker 2: the perfect person to do a competition like this because
Speaker 2: you are such an artist that you can actually create
Speaker 2: prizes yourself. Like you were talking about the drawer you
Speaker 2: have that has like random things in it. But I
Speaker 2: remember now I'm blanking on what it said. But you
Speaker 2: had at some point made these T shirts that were
Speaker 2: really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made I used to do a T shirt
Speaker 1: I used to do. I thought maybe I should get
Speaker 1: back into making T shirts.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Or is there a part of the show where you
Speaker 1: advise people on future business paths?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watch a lot, so I can definitely help
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a lot to say. If you want
Speaker 2: to pitch to us. Okay, well I have been considering.
Speaker 2: You know, we were on strike, so.
Speaker 1: I have you know, had a lot of time to
Speaker 1: dig out ingrown hairs and move rugs. Apparently I just
Speaker 1: move a rug from one room to the next.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I've been thinking a lot about
Speaker 2: what is you know, what's the future? What are we
Speaker 2: all going to be doing?
Speaker 1: And should I become one a phlebotomist, which is the
Speaker 1: person that draws blood. Yes, there's a twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars course at the local college, which okay, there's a lot,
Speaker 1: but not really like probably worth it to learn how
Speaker 1: to do that correctly. And then or a bookkeeper because
Speaker 1: I do like a boring, repetitive task, so I just
Speaker 1: think not an accountant because that's harder bookkeeping. Literally, like
Speaker 1: here's Vanessa and Jonah's numbers. I put them in a
Speaker 1: little spreadsheet. Vanessa spent four hundred dollars this month on
Speaker 1: y also frozen pops and right has a lot of
Speaker 1: little You're a musician, isn't that correct?
Speaker 3: That's correct? Yes, yeah, I would say my dad.
Speaker 1: Picture that would be like a guitar pick. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the bookkeeper phlebottomist or back to my T shirt line,
Speaker 1: which is I think the shirt you saw was Law
Speaker 1: and Order episodes where it's the woman's fault and it
Speaker 1: had like one hundred hashmarks.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the T shirt. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: So yeah, how does a person make a living?
Speaker 3: We don't know. Well, you know, I had kind of
Speaker 3: a midlife, recent kind of career change, so and I
Speaker 3: actually looked into bookkeeping.
Speaker 2: You did, Jonah, not.
Speaker 3: Very seriously, but I was like looking into like like
Speaker 3: sort of like you have always kind of been a
Speaker 3: journalist and a musician and right, so I was like, well,
Speaker 3: like what do other people do, Like, what's a job
Speaker 3: where I don't have to like ask people all the
Speaker 3: time for work? Yeah? I looked into the bookkeeping. They
Speaker 3: were like online bookkeeping classes and you can work from home.
Speaker 3: You can do this, you can make all this money.
Speaker 3: But all the classes were really expensive. It was like
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars. This is too much for something. I
Speaker 3: don't really know if I would even like I looked
Speaker 3: into like being a chiro prap. I looked into everything
Speaker 3: whoa character very casually. I was like, what is stuff
Speaker 3: that just seems interesting? And I actually ended up getting
Speaker 3: a master's degree in counseling and now I work as
Speaker 3: a therapist, which is really great. But so I honestly
Speaker 3: think the phlebotomy would be tough, just because it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, you gotta good blood. It's like dealing
Speaker 3: with people. It's like to me, it's like you're already artistic.
Speaker 3: You're good at the T shirt thing there, you already
Speaker 3: have it. It's kind of established, and I think going
Speaker 3: that route would be good. That's what I would vote for.
Speaker 3: But it's up to you. It's what your passionate.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's what your Passn't it about nothing?
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I'm I mean, we know. The jobs
Speaker 2: I want don't exist.
Speaker 1: Like the job I want is to go sit in
Speaker 1: hennis match audience and just say things like wow, Naomi Osaka,
Speaker 1: she looks like she's really come through. On the other side, she.
Speaker 2: Said, that's it. That is a job. That's a contentator.
Speaker 1: But the person that doesn't really have to know about tennis,
Speaker 1: like Chrissy Everett when she talks about tennis, you know,
Speaker 1: or renee stubs or whatever. Serena Williams became a commentator.
Speaker 1: One day they'd be able to talk about like backhands
Speaker 1: and boar hands, and I don't know that I could
Speaker 1: just say like, oh, those are cute sneakers, or like
Speaker 1: I think I think you're not giving yourself enough credit
Speaker 1: for how funny you are.
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes Allie is very funny. I want
Speaker 2: our audience to know that, and I think sometimes they
Speaker 2: need a funny person to kind of break things up.
Speaker 2: Like I've been on Neil deGrasse Tyson's podcast before, like
Speaker 2: I've did a live show and I know you didn't
Speaker 2: bring me on there because I'm a star expert, although
Speaker 2: I do love space. But he didn't know that. Well
Speaker 2: he might, but I don't think he did. How would
Speaker 2: he know? But the point is my whole job was
Speaker 2: to go like Cosmos more like can I get a break?
Speaker 2: You know, like really funny stuff like that. And so
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is that you could be watching a
Speaker 2: tennis game and you could be like that one looked
Speaker 2: like it hurt not as much as my water bill
Speaker 2: this month, right right? I think they call that the
Speaker 2: color contator.
Speaker 1: Like so baseball, because I'm a big Mets fan, So
Speaker 1: there's like the one guy that talks about the actual
Speaker 1: mechanics of you know and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 1: there's the person that's like, oh he grew up in
Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland and bobba ye bah you know. But
Speaker 1: I know we're all over the place, and I know
Speaker 1: we're is this what like is this is like okay?
Speaker 1: So because I Jonah, I do have to say, also, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: not to turn the tables. This is your show. But
Speaker 1: I would never, ever, ever want to go to space.
Speaker 1: And I've had this conversation with a lot of people like,
Speaker 1: even if Earth is no longer inhabitable and they figured
Speaker 1: out a way to live on the moon, let me
Speaker 1: die here on Earth. I don't want to go to space.
Speaker 1: And I feel like space is a real divider because
Speaker 1: there's some people like writer friend I know, was like
Speaker 1: I want to be the poet laureate of space, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I can't imagine anything more terrifying. And
Speaker 1: I think it was growing up with those movies where
Speaker 1: like a single pinprick in the suit and you're fucked,
Speaker 1: you know, like no, I just find I know, you
Speaker 1: go there, you're change, like you see Earth from up there, man,
Speaker 1: like you know, like how can we all It's like
Speaker 1: a near death experience. How can I relate to a
Speaker 1: regular person when I'm in to space? I can't, which
Speaker 1: I barely can now. But I no interest in space?
Speaker 1: No interest in space?
Speaker 3: Jona?
Speaker 2: Are you in interested in going to space? You know?
Speaker 3: I know right there's like I know what Ali's talking about,
Speaker 3: because there's like these lotteries and all these people put
Speaker 3: in these applications and it's like, you know, hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of people for like four spots. You know, unless
Speaker 3: you're like a billionaire or something that you just can
Speaker 3: buy ticket. But yeah, I'm kind of with Ali on this.
Speaker 3: I think it would be cool. I think getting up
Speaker 3: there and being able to see the Earth from that
Speaker 3: perspective will be kind of an interesting phenomenon that will
Speaker 3: kind of maybe shift your perspective on like life. But
Speaker 3: I don't need to be up there forever. I think
Speaker 3: we get boring pretty fast.
Speaker 2: Boring boring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the trip, but once you're up there for
Speaker 3: like a week, two weeks.
Speaker 2: You're talking about you're talking are you talking about, Jonah,
Speaker 2: just a visit to space? You're talking about living?
Speaker 3: I'm talking about because a lot of these people they
Speaker 3: say they have to stay there permanently for the rest
Speaker 3: of their lives.
Speaker 2: Right, that's the Mars people.
Speaker 3: Right to Mars. Sorry, I'm thinking of the Mars people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like go to Mars. But this is it, this is
Speaker 3: a one way trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you heard about that Ali sending people tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm going to guess you're not into the Mars if
Speaker 3: you're not into that other one.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not into the vaguely threatening language
Speaker 1: of it's a one way trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's scary, I think Ali, Jonah. I
Speaker 2: think Ali's just talking about like those trips that like that.
Speaker 3: Like Williams. Shattner went on, where it's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you can just go up there. I think
Speaker 2: that would be cool.
Speaker 3: I would be into that, Yeah, if someone else could
Speaker 3: pay for What about you, Vanessa, I have I.
Speaker 2: Used to have dreams that you and I were going
Speaker 2: to space all the time, Jonah, and I felt excited
Speaker 2: to go to space, but I feel scared about it
Speaker 2: in the same way that like it feels a little
Speaker 2: scary in that it feels like they maybe they have
Speaker 2: by now, but they haven't totally mastered like space ships,
Speaker 2: like you know, you hope that it's just like a
Speaker 2: rocket going off. If that's to me is the scary
Speaker 2: part is not the part of being in space, but
Speaker 2: the part of like getting in that ship. But I
Speaker 2: feel like as they mastered the ship, then we could go.
Speaker 2: We'd have so much fun and we can need all
Speaker 2: that space ice cream.
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say something about the
Speaker 3: space ice scream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Neapolitan strawberry vanilla and chocolate and one space ice
Speaker 2: cream bar. That's so fun. I think it does seem cool.
Speaker 2: And I actually have this calendar on my calendar. I
Speaker 2: like downloaded this thing on my calendar where I get
Speaker 2: updates daily if there's anything going on at NASA or
Speaker 2: at like the Space station, and I always just like
Speaker 2: read them, and I never pay that much attention to them,
Speaker 2: but they are like looking at my phone right now.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just going to go into my calendar
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you that in a couple fridays, the
Speaker 2: Leonid's meteor shower will peak in night skies. Okay, good
Speaker 2: to know what else we got going on in December,
Speaker 2: you know, the andro Metids meteor shower may make an appearance.
Speaker 2: So there's stuff like that, And then I can read
Speaker 2: more about it, and I.
Speaker 3: Never get the idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the point is I love space, right, but you're
Speaker 2: not afraid of the guys. No air. Let's just start.
Speaker 2: Let's just start with no air, right right, right, right right.
Speaker 3: Let me see this. How do you feel about being underwater?
Speaker 3: Like swimming?
Speaker 2: Jonah? I feel it. We may be soulmates, I mean
Speaker 2: everything we are.
Speaker 1: This train is running on the same track, and I
Speaker 1: would like to loop back to the work thing for
Speaker 1: a second. But let's get to let's get to underwater.
Speaker 1: I'm more interested in taking a risk to see what's
Speaker 1: in the deep ocean. But because I mean, geez, three
Speaker 1: quarters of the earth, we don't know the animals, you know.
Speaker 1: Just the tiny bit that I've snorkeled on a trashy
Speaker 1: beach has delighted me so, like, imagine all of the
Speaker 1: stuff you can't see, you know, so to me, like
Speaker 1: that seems so incredible and spiritual. Again, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: in one of those things that those billionaires just blew
Speaker 1: up in, you know, or like there's a certain listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not dancing on anyone's grave either, but there is
Speaker 1: a certain hubris I think maybe that exists with this
Speaker 1: sort of billionaire travel industry, whether to space or you
Speaker 1: never say. Billionaires are never like, let's get into a
Speaker 1: funicular and go to.
Speaker 2: Burbank, you know.
Speaker 1: They're yeah, that's like, let's go visit the wild parrots
Speaker 1: of Burbank, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know like I do. The ocean
Speaker 2: is to me. I would like to.
Speaker 1: Do one of those like old timey cruises, like let's
Speaker 1: go to Europe, but we have to go buy boat
Speaker 1: and like bring our steamer trunks and wear like a
Speaker 1: tux to dinner every night, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right, We're gonna take a quick break and then I
Speaker 3: have a really important question for Allie that I'm going
Speaker 3: to ask when we get back.
Speaker 2: And I have a really important thing I want to
Speaker 2: say about her career and career options.
Speaker 3: And we're back, so Alie, I have a question. This
Speaker 3: is another thing that billionaires are really into that we
Speaker 3: want to get your take on. Yeah, life extension. What
Speaker 3: do you think? Are you into it?
Speaker 1: No? I mean, Jonah, have you heard me?
Speaker 3: Have you heard this?
Speaker 1: Have you heard the stress vibrating in my voice from
Speaker 1: the last twenty seven minutes, Like I can't imagine having
Speaker 1: to do more like the I guess life extension. If
Speaker 1: could life look differently, could we all have an easier way?
Speaker 1: Could there be less suffering for everyone, not just for me,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just I have a big surgery coming up
Speaker 1: next month, a knee replacement, and I've had like a
Speaker 1: nine different surgeries in my life, and I am so oh,
Speaker 1: this one really got under my skin in a way
Speaker 1: where I'm just like wow, Like that's a that's an.
Speaker 2: Old person surgery.
Speaker 1: That's like I'm a diad of injury when I was younger,
Speaker 1: so I am a lot younger than a lot of
Speaker 1: people getting it.
Speaker 2: But it's like once.
Speaker 1: They start putting artificial stuff in you and you can't
Speaker 1: go through the regular metal detector at the airport, you're
Speaker 1: just like, yikes, I am excited to try pickleball after
Speaker 1: I'm up and going because I saw.
Speaker 2: It on the Oh, oh, You're going to be able
Speaker 2: to do as much pickleball as you want.
Speaker 1: It's I'm a golden Bachelor, and I just didn't realize
Speaker 1: that it's a whiffle ball. For some reason, I thought
Speaker 1: the pickleball was very different. But it looks almost like
Speaker 1: a whiffle ball unless they know that it also, this
Speaker 1: may be just Golden Bachelor, crediball or that might be ages.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Well, if they're only there was some
Speaker 1: way to find out. But I don't want to die.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to like live just to.
Speaker 2: If we're all going to live longer.
Speaker 1: And we're all going to have like an inhabitable place
Speaker 1: to live, then yeah, let's all do it together. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like in some refrigerated house,
Speaker 1: like eating the last piece of meat or something while
Speaker 1: everything's fire outside.
Speaker 3: You know, that's fair. That's fair. Vanessa, You had a question.
Speaker 2: Okay, I had two things to say. One is Jonah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember her talking about this,
Speaker 2: but our grandma Margie, who lived to be one month
Speaker 2: shy of one hundred, she would tell us about she
Speaker 2: would always go to her high school reunions, and they
Speaker 2: got smaller and smaller and smaller to the point where
Speaker 2: like she's going to you know, her like sixty year
Speaker 2: high school reunion and it's like, you know, twenty people,
Speaker 2: and then it's like she's going to her sixty five.
Speaker 2: They would have them, I think every five years, because
Speaker 2: it was yeah, and you know, I think she went
Speaker 2: to some of them. Later in her life that were
Speaker 2: only like a few I think there are very few
Speaker 2: people there because even if there were more people that
Speaker 2: were living, you know, who can make it to this reunion?
Speaker 3: I can't make them.
Speaker 2: So I just want to say there is something I
Speaker 2: see what you're saying, Ali, of like, if you're the
Speaker 2: last one, is that really what you want?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I was going to say, first of all, my grandma
Speaker 1: lived to be one hundred and two, and she had
Speaker 1: a twin that lived to be one hundred and two
Speaker 1: and their older sister. What Alli, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: How could someone be older than one hundred and two
Speaker 1: live to be one hundred and five. So my mom's
Speaker 1: side of the family lives a long time, and my
Speaker 1: grandma was in the casino and eating chili dogs to
Speaker 1: the last year of her life, So like, which is
Speaker 1: my barometer for happiness? So like, that is one thing,
Speaker 1: But also can we please write the film that is
Speaker 1: that old person reunion movie? Because that sounds so beautif.
Speaker 1: But I just whenever I think about the billionaire longevity thing,
Speaker 1: I think of people hoarding resources. That's what I think of,
Speaker 1: or like it's a prepper situation where I'm like I
Speaker 1: don't want to be like I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it feels kind of egotistical in a way,
Speaker 3: like I should not have to obey these laws. Something else.
Speaker 3: I feel it's kind of this way is people who
Speaker 3: have like a lot of kids, like who have like
Speaker 3: twenty kids, and then because it's like they want to
Speaker 3: kind of like live forever. And you know, there's something
Speaker 3: about there's something a volley with the ego with that,
Speaker 3: I think on some level, Well.
Speaker 1: Robert de Niro just had another child. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can we keep that in And if you're
Speaker 1: friends with him, could you let him know that. I
Speaker 1: just think he's so handsome and I know that I'm
Speaker 1: not his type. But when I saw him in that.
Speaker 2: Movie he did. That movie was the movie where he.
Speaker 1: Did stand up in Old Folks.
Speaker 2: I'm sure gordfles crecle.
Speaker 1: You guys, come on, you know this movie, Vanessa, surely
Speaker 1: you've seen this movie like eleven PM some Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: Olivia, do you know what this movie?
Speaker 1: I can't think of what this And he does a
Speaker 1: old person wrap at the and he goes viral.
Speaker 2: This seems like a fever dream. It's real, and I'm racing.
Speaker 2: I had it. I think I saw it when I
Speaker 2: had Movie Pass and you could go to a movie
Speaker 2: every day. It feels like a real Jonah move.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did have Movie Pass also in New York
Speaker 3: and used to really use it a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm an A lister now AMCA lister, and
Speaker 1: it's twenty four dollars a month and you got to
Speaker 1: go three movies a week and it allows you to
Speaker 1: see like things probably no one should see.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, that's a great deal. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll find out what the name of that movie was.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I just want to say that,
Speaker 2: going back to your career choices, we're acting as if
Speaker 2: you're not an incredibly successful writer, like you were an
Speaker 2: executive producer on my show. Like also, the writers strike
Speaker 2: is over, you have like a very very just thinking
Speaker 2: backup plan for that. So I'm thinking backup plan.
Speaker 1: Like there's like because I just saw someone I used
Speaker 1: to write with who became a yoga instructor, and so,
Speaker 1: like Jonah said earlier, there is something to this freelance
Speaker 1: life that's very exhausting, where you're like sort of like
Speaker 1: having to prove yourself every six months to someone to say, like,
Speaker 1: even though I've been writing for thirty years, I can
Speaker 1: do it, you know, like that there's a mental peace
Speaker 1: sometimes about thinking. Like I go to Cedar Sina's blood
Speaker 1: donation center and I check in at seven and I
Speaker 1: leave at three, and I take blood and I give
Speaker 1: everything significant after they've had it. And so that's when
Speaker 1: I when I think about this stuff, it's like it's
Speaker 1: sort of like, Okay, what's the third act gonna be?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Did you say you give them a fig Newton once
Speaker 2: they went there?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm an avid blood donor, so and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get on this theater sign blood donor.
Speaker 2: Wall of Honor. Yeah, and so you get cookies and
Speaker 2: I didn't realize fig Newtons still exists.
Speaker 1: Oh, in my opinion, there might not be a better cookie.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: There I said it, Mike Drop.
Speaker 2: It's so much spread to filling is my only issue,
Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: And people think it's like it's like people who like
Speaker 1: chocolate get really mad at it. But I think it's
Speaker 1: there's something about the dough of it. And I know
Speaker 1: you like to talk about snacks, Vanessa, but there's like.
Speaker 2: It's almost not cooked enough that I like.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a doe kind of like huh oven
Speaker 1: enough quality that I had, just like Fig Newton hooked
Speaker 1: me up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm there for you, like I'm ready. It
Speaker 2: reminds me they kind of remind me of those cookies
Speaker 2: that you always really like, Jonah, those Peppridge Farm cookies
Speaker 2: that have the jelly in the middle.
Speaker 3: The strawberry jelly, kind of the circular ones. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Favorite. I slightly preferred that because I think the ratio
Speaker 2: of jelly to But I hear what you're saying is
Speaker 2: like the dough is the dough is fully cooked in
Speaker 2: those Petbridge Farm ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a Pepperridge Farm one is sort of
Speaker 1: like a circular comments in a little bit right.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like exactly.
Speaker 3: You can see my cat is chasing.
Speaker 1: The cat is so cute.
Speaker 2: Isn't a gray cat? Or is it a cat?
Speaker 3: He's actually brown, dark color, but he's kind of this brown,
Speaker 3: which is pretty rare.
Speaker 2: That is rare. Ali loves cats and she also does
Speaker 2: incredible art of cats and all kinds of cats. People.
Speaker 2: She's an I have sn her art here that she
Speaker 2: gave me for her birthday. Amazing and for her birthday.
Speaker 2: I mean for your birthday. Yeah, oh my god, cat
Speaker 2: is so cute. Well, I think we're all doing really
Speaker 2: great in our current jobs, but I understand, I understand
Speaker 2: the desire to have something that feels more less freelance
Speaker 2: and more like, this is my job and this is
Speaker 2: what I do every day from this hour to this hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know how it is. It's like hard
Speaker 1: to plan sometimes a life when you're.
Speaker 2: Like totally you don't know what you're going to be doing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really hard for Jonah's cat probably to plan their life
Speaker 2: because they're so busy chasing their tail.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, this cat's got it made. This
Speaker 3: cat doesn't have a care in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you. Jonah.
Speaker 1: I feel like your patients, your clients must be so
Speaker 1: lucky to have you, because like you're sweet, like compassionate
Speaker 1: face and like, I don't know, I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of therapists.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can start going to Jonah. You know, I
Speaker 2: will say this too, Like, I think that's why it
Speaker 2: kind of works for us to have a podcast, is
Speaker 2: because Jonah has interviewed people for such a long time
Speaker 2: that even though he's new to therapy, he's such a
Speaker 2: good listener and he's so good at like asking thoughtful
Speaker 2: questions and stuff that I think being a therapist was
Speaker 2: a very natural progression of things. But also with our podcast,
Speaker 2: I feel like Jonah asks really thoughtful questions and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I sort of like do I like sort of
Speaker 2: existand to the side and like do impressions and go like, oh,
Speaker 2: did you guys think this was funny?
Speaker 3: Well, I think you both are great too. That's but
Speaker 3: you know, you know, speaking of great l you give
Speaker 3: us so many great ideas for topics for this episode,
Speaker 3: and we were going back and forth on them, and
Speaker 3: I really think this idea of pre internet report cards
Speaker 3: is such a funny topic. Why did you kind of
Speaker 3: think about that? Like what was kind of your thought
Speaker 3: process behind that?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like education is so different now for kids,
Speaker 1: like their whole school experience. And I also was a
Speaker 1: teacher at one point in my life, so the concept
Speaker 1: of the Internet allowing kind of school to go on
Speaker 1: even when it's not school hours seems like such a
Speaker 1: bummer forever for the teachers and for the kids, you know,
Speaker 1: And like when I think about even like like bullying,
Speaker 1: like if.
Speaker 2: You were bullied at school.
Speaker 1: I was bullied at school and I bullied, so I
Speaker 1: was like I did everything, you know, like a double threat.
Speaker 2: I can't see you bullying.
Speaker 1: Well it was like in that sad way where you
Speaker 1: had to bully because you were getting yully at that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But like, but even if you were
Speaker 1: bullied at school, it kind of just stayed at school
Speaker 1: and you didn't then when you went.
Speaker 2: Home you were saying, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: But like now with the social media, but the report
Speaker 1: cards is like they get their grades emailed, and to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was just thinking about you knew when
Speaker 1: the report cards were coming. You had to get to
Speaker 1: the mailbox before your parents, did you know, And then
Speaker 1: you could even in my case, like it was a
Speaker 1: carbon copy, so yeah, you got you could change like
Speaker 1: a minus to a plus or whatever, a D to
Speaker 1: a B, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I just was thinking a lot about like just
Speaker 1: how much stress there was about when the report card
Speaker 1: was coming. And I don't know, physical mail is so
Speaker 1: like I know people scam in all different ways, but
Speaker 1: like I rewatched talented mister Ripley recently and I was like,
Speaker 1: he couldn't have done so much of that like now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and just because of the digital age. I
Speaker 1: know there's different kinds of scams in the digital age,
Speaker 1: but just like the basic thing of like I'm like,
Speaker 1: someone just googles your picture, like are you that person
Speaker 1: or not? You know? Right, Paltrow in that before she
Speaker 1: started cooking full time for Goop, like, uh, like she
Speaker 1: was an incredible actress. She's incredible in that she is.
Speaker 2: You know, I watched that movie for the first time,
Speaker 2: I think fourth of July last year, and I loved
Speaker 2: it and I thought she was so good. She's so
Speaker 2: good in it. She's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ever seen it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Should I say it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You have to see it.
Speaker 1: No, you should watch it with one of your clients.
Speaker 4: Don't.
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: Another part of the rapport card that that was tough was,
Speaker 3: I know, we had to have our parents basically sign them.
Speaker 3: Then we had to bring them back to school like
Speaker 3: to acknowledge that they saw them. And so I remember
Speaker 3: one year I got like a D or something because
Speaker 3: like the big thing at our school was we weren't
Speaker 3: allowed to leave campus. And so if you were like
Speaker 3: a quote unquote kind of like a bad kid, you
Speaker 3: would like leave campus and he got to the parking lot,
Speaker 3: drive to Burger King for lunch. Someone for lunch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe someoneould be smoking a cigarette, like you know, and
Speaker 3: uh right. And so I kind of got mixed up
Speaker 3: in this a little bit in high school but never
Speaker 3: really fully got into it, but I kind of dabbled
Speaker 3: in it, and uh I got like a D in
Speaker 3: one class once and I like ripped the report card
Speaker 3: in this strategic way where like that grade was just
Speaker 3: kind of missing, and our parents, I think, being so
Speaker 3: trusting kind of, I was like yeah, and I kind
Speaker 3: of crumpled it up, tried to make it look and
Speaker 3: they were like okay and just signed it. And I
Speaker 3: don't think ever thought twice about it, but I was
Speaker 3: like I kind of pulled off one of these yeah
Speaker 3: kind of scams, you know, because they had to sign it.
Speaker 3: I had to bring it back in and I don't
Speaker 3: think forging. I think that was too far from me.
Speaker 3: But I guess like this felt like okay, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: So good, Like your parents were like that depressed postman,
Speaker 1: Oh it's just shoving mail in the bloss.
Speaker 3: Well no, I think I think they gave it to
Speaker 3: us at school. We had to get them, take them home,
Speaker 3: get them signed, and bring them back. That's my memory.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I bet you're right. I bet you're right.
Speaker 3: So you always get straight a's. I'm sure this was
Speaker 3: not in she always.
Speaker 2: Gets straight a's. In fact, our mom would put our
Speaker 2: report cards above her desk in our house growing up,
Speaker 2: and I remember just like looking over that wall of
Speaker 2: grades and going, there's nothing lower than an A minus
Speaker 2: on on here. But that was when I could earn
Speaker 2: my grades. What were you going to say, Jonah.
Speaker 3: I was going to say it was you know, it
Speaker 3: was great for me because Vanessa would always Vaness would
Speaker 3: have like a like a four point eight GPS. She
Speaker 3: would have some GPO that didn't even make sense with
Speaker 3: like AP classes. But if I got a couple of a's,
Speaker 3: I was like in good shape. Like I had a
Speaker 3: kind of a lower yeah, you know mark to hit
Speaker 3: so I could.
Speaker 2: Right, well, I put a lot of pressure on myself. Vanessa.
Speaker 1: You loved school.
Speaker 2: I loved school. Yeah. I was really really good at school.
Speaker 2: I do think it had something to do with me
Speaker 2: getting sick, because I had this teacher tell me when
Speaker 2: I was in the h hospital, but I didn't have to.
Speaker 2: I should just focus on getting better and I shouldn't
Speaker 2: worry about school. And then in my mind I made
Speaker 2: this connection of like, Okay, so I'm going to get
Speaker 2: bad grades now because of this random thing that happened
Speaker 2: to me. I'm going to get bad grades, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to go to a bad college, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to have a bad future, which is like very funny
Speaker 2: because the career ended up going into like you don't
Speaker 2: even really have to do college, but like I really
Speaker 2: equate it. So I think there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of me pressuring myself to like prove to everybody that
Speaker 2: I was still going to get really great grades. But
Speaker 2: I also was like I enjoyed like like I enjoyed
Speaker 2: like studying, and.
Speaker 3: You studied a lot.
Speaker 2: I studied a lot. I really worked. I worked very
Speaker 2: hard at school. But that so that was sort of
Speaker 2: like I think how that all happened. But before that,
Speaker 2: when we were in like I'm going to call it
Speaker 2: first through fifth grade, is first through fourth grade or something,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't get I don't know if you remember if
Speaker 2: you both remember getting grades when you were really little,
Speaker 2: but they were I remember in our school it was
Speaker 2: like O was for outstanding V was for VG was
Speaker 2: for very good, P was progressing successfully, and then below
Speaker 2: that there was like one that was like needs work
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I don't remember the letters. And
Speaker 2: then there was one even below that more I think
Speaker 2: that was like fails basically whatever. And I remember the
Speaker 2: bottom and I remember getting my grades, like I have
Speaker 2: like the sense memory of being in like second grade
Speaker 2: and getting my grades, and there were a lot of
Speaker 2: like peas and which means progressing successfully, which is essentially
Speaker 2: a C. And I remember being like, what the fuck,
Speaker 2: Like these teachers are just randomly assigning these grades, like
Speaker 2: we don't have any homework, right, we don't have like
Speaker 2: like it just felt like the teachers would just give
Speaker 2: you the grades that they sort of expected of you, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I remember one year on my birthday, we played
Speaker 2: volleyball and I was serving a lot of the volleyballs
Speaker 2: and I was getting like so many, I was doing
Speaker 2: so well, and then my gym grade came and it
Speaker 2: was a it was a P, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fun? Like, I just remember the grades. It
Speaker 2: seems like I'm losing both of you, but I just
Speaker 2: remember the grades that I would get when I was younger,
Speaker 2: were so rude, and they were so like, she's fine,
Speaker 2: She's doing okay. And it was like, based on what
Speaker 2: you maron.
Speaker 3: Fanas, your grades don't really matter at that point, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, so it's okay.
Speaker 2: I know, but I think that that also probably fed
Speaker 2: into like once the grades meant something and we're actually
Speaker 2: graded like the grades that really had a reason behind them.
Speaker 2: I think I was like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go all the way with these.
Speaker 1: I mean, some might say this is the teacher. Also,
Speaker 1: that was such a That was such a beautiful moment
Speaker 1: between you, because Jonah was like a therapist in that moment.
Speaker 1: You said you said the grades didn't really matter then,
Speaker 1: and you you were like I see your high grades
Speaker 1: as your ambition. Vanessa like you're like that's your drive.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm getting don't tell me I can skate
Speaker 1: by on a C you know, but I think grades?
Speaker 2: Who cares about what I used to teach? I thought
Speaker 2: at college, I remember this woman this I don't I
Speaker 2: want to say her names badly, but I won't. You
Speaker 2: could say it and we could bleep it out.
Speaker 1: No, it's fine, I'll just think it and see, but okay,
Speaker 1: she was an adult student, adult and she was going
Speaker 1: back to school, which I appreciate because I went back
Speaker 1: to school later in life. And she got an A
Speaker 1: minus in the creative writing class that I was teaching.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to grade creative writing because you're like,
Speaker 1: you did the assignment or you didn't. It can't be
Speaker 1: whether I liked your short story, right, that's the subjective, right.
Speaker 1: But then it's also like it's kind of a class
Speaker 1: where you could scam, right, because you could try not
Speaker 1: very hard and then then say, like, is how you
Speaker 1: grade it? You know, this is how it's a little
Speaker 1: existential for twenty man. But like, so I she got
Speaker 1: an a minus. Really she wasn't a very good writer there,
Speaker 1: I said it. And she fought the administration on this
Speaker 1: ANUS for six months and I had to go to
Speaker 1: these department meetings and I was just like, so obviously
Speaker 1: it's not about the grade at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: But it was like so intense. But I guess it's
Speaker 1: like this is a segue. But when I used to
Speaker 1: wait tables graveyardship, like dear, dear, dear friend and roommate
Speaker 1: of many years, Kenny Lee used to work at the
Speaker 1: bag Dead Cascade in San Francisco, and this man ordered
Speaker 1: this hamburger and it was hamburger and fries, and then
Speaker 1: he called Kenny OK and he said, this hamburger's not cooked.
Speaker 1: I said medium, and he said it And so Kenny
Speaker 1: brought the hamburger back and then he got a new
Speaker 1: hamburger and the man said, I said medium, this hamburger
Speaker 1: is not cooked.
Speaker 2: Right, So they send back.
Speaker 1: A second hamburger, and Kenny brings back to hamburger a
Speaker 1: third time, and the man complained the third time, and
Speaker 1: Kenny just kneeled down next to the man and he said,
Speaker 1: what do you think this is really about?
Speaker 2: Wow, it's my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: I think about it thirty years later all the time
Speaker 1: about like the hamburger. I don't think this is about
Speaker 1: the hamburger. What do you think this is? Really?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: And that's what I think about with the A or
Speaker 1: the grades, right, because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really doesn't matter unless we're going to become like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it ruins people's lives.
Speaker 1: Think about all these stressed out kids like trying to
Speaker 1: like it's a bummer, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I think it's like we get attached to
Speaker 3: these ideas and they become part of like our identity,
Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm I'm the you know, high achieving student.
Speaker 3: That's who I am. And it's like then when you
Speaker 3: get something that goes against that, then you have to
Speaker 3: kind of rethink your whole identity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a really weird. It was weird because
Speaker 2: I went to you know, I went to pen and
Speaker 2: that's such a like high achieving school. But it was
Speaker 2: so weird because I was among so many people that
Speaker 2: were just so naturally so much smarter than I was,
Speaker 2: that like they wouldn't.
Speaker 3: And you were also like check out my mc hammer
Speaker 3: parody this weekend or whatever with Bloomers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Bloomers. Well that became my focus, which was good.
Speaker 2: But this was the other thing that was sort of
Speaker 2: weird is like when I was in school, like high
Speaker 2: school and everything, you could sort of tell who got
Speaker 2: good grades and who didn't sort of buy their behavior
Speaker 2: in a way. And I don't mean to generalize, but
Speaker 2: it was like a lot of the good kids and
Speaker 2: the kids who like behaved really well in class and
Speaker 2: were really like they were the kids who were getting
Speaker 2: the good grades. And then a lot of the kids
Speaker 2: who were acted out more or even who were cool
Speaker 2: sometimes were like the kids who got worse grades, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Well, even though there were cool
Speaker 2: kids who did well and you know what were you
Speaker 2: going to say, Jonah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's like at that level before you
Speaker 3: get into very like advanced high level thinking a lot
Speaker 3: of like middle school and stuff. I think it's just
Speaker 3: how much time you put into it. For the most part.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously some people have learning disabilities. It's not
Speaker 3: even playing for this all kinds of right systemic, all
Speaker 3: kind of stuff at play. But I do think to
Speaker 3: a large extent, if you're working hard, a lot of
Speaker 3: its memorizing stuff, you can do well if you put the.
Speaker 2: Time right right totally. Well, that was the thing that
Speaker 2: was weird when I went to college because it was
Speaker 2: like there were those same personalities where it was like
Speaker 2: the cool kids, the kids who sort of acted out,
Speaker 2: but they were all really smart, Like they were like
Speaker 2: if they were cool or they act you know whatever,
Speaker 2: it was because they were so smart that they didn't
Speaker 2: really have to study and they would still get really
Speaker 2: good grades. And it was so crazy to be around
Speaker 2: so many kids like that. Because there were so many
Speaker 2: of them where they were just naturally smart in a
Speaker 2: way like they didn't have to study in a way
Speaker 2: that I was like.
Speaker 3: Well, their parents, you know, made a big donation.
Speaker 1: Did you get good grades in college, Fanessa, I got
Speaker 1: so so grades.
Speaker 2: My grades were not. In fact, I went to college
Speaker 2: thinking that I might be this is I thought went
Speaker 2: to college thinking that I might become like a biologist
Speaker 2: because I really liked biology, uh huh. And then of course,
Speaker 2: like I've done jokes about this, where like I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll be a biologist who like has her own
Speaker 2: TV show, or like a biologist who's like like Sanji
Speaker 2: Gupta who like is like a doctor who like but
Speaker 2: she's like more of a TV doctor. So anyway, so
Speaker 2: you can tell where my mind was kind of going.
Speaker 2: But I took this kind of advanced biology class my
Speaker 2: first year of college, and they were like weeding out
Speaker 2: pre med kids that they didn't think could make So
Speaker 2: it was like it was such a hard class and
Speaker 2: I barely got to see I think like I and
Speaker 2: then the rest of college I did fine, but I
Speaker 2: was not like a straight A student because it was
Speaker 2: you know, it was a lot of reading it was
Speaker 2: so much more. It was like whatever I had studied
Speaker 2: and done in high school was like that time's you know,
Speaker 2: however much. And then also I was spending a lot
Speaker 2: of my time doing Bloomers, so yeah, and that ended
Speaker 2: up being the thing that even though I joke about
Speaker 2: it a lot, that ended up truly being the thing
Speaker 2: that I was like, oh, this is the thing I
Speaker 2: want to do as opposed to yeah, being a being
Speaker 2: a doctor on TV.
Speaker 1: But thank god, because I was just thinking, like if
Speaker 1: I was going to go have knee surgery and you
Speaker 1: came out with the scalpel.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I mean, it would be delightful, and
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 1: Like I would roll with it because I'm the kind
Speaker 1: of person who sits and gets the haircut they don't
Speaker 1: want to get and just lets the person do it
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 2: So like I probably would, but like it's.
Speaker 1: It's so clear that you people need to just like
Speaker 1: do don't fu. I don't think that thing when and Jonah,
Speaker 1: I know you can back me up as a certified therapist,
Speaker 1: but like that thing of like I had this when
Speaker 1: I was a teacher where so many it was a
Speaker 1: science school, but and so many of the kids had
Speaker 1: these expectations from their family to become scientists, but they
Speaker 1: didn't want to and they just wanted to be writers
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know. And it's like that angst of
Speaker 1: trying to like live like a kind of life that
Speaker 1: really isn't like the life that you're supposed to being
Speaker 1: in a way, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all have to do things we don't want
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but like sure my family, my
Speaker 1: dad had a flexible hose business, you know, hose, like
Speaker 1: a big yellow hose that goes into a sewer, you know,
Speaker 1: and like everyone in the family did the hose. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, I think I will kill myself
Speaker 1: at myself flexible hose.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just was like, you know, I knew that
Speaker 2: I just couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our dad had a business growing up, a packaging business,
Speaker 3: so like putting stuff in boy's shrink, wrapping things, and
Speaker 3: we work there as kids. I mean I worked there
Speaker 3: a lot more like and you know, it's like hard
Speaker 3: to find a job when you're fifteen, so he'd hire
Speaker 3: me and all my friends. But I think it was
Speaker 3: kind of unspoken like we would never take over that
Speaker 3: business just based on our personnelity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on our we were more creative sort of
Speaker 2: we were looking toward. But you know it's funny is
Speaker 2: that our dad sort of did find I'm not saying
Speaker 2: he takes your place, Jonah or my place. He did
Speaker 2: find kind of a surrogate son to sell the business to.
Speaker 2: Who this guy Kyle who now owns the business, who,
Speaker 2: like our dad doesn't even own it anymore, but he
Speaker 2: like goes in all the time and he's always like
Speaker 2: fielding calls from Kyle and talking to Kyle and it's like, yeah, Dad,
Speaker 2: we get it. Kyle's your new son. But it's just
Speaker 2: like it's like our dad. I know he loves us
Speaker 2: very much and he's very happy with where our careers
Speaker 2: have gone, but like he didn't get the kid who
Speaker 2: was like I'm goingd I love the business, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go right like I'm gonna take over it from when
Speaker 2: you're done. You know, like we were both like, oh,
Speaker 2: can we get out of here?
Speaker 1: Is he still involved as a like Styrofoam peanut consultants.
Speaker 3: I think they have some kind of I think they
Speaker 3: have some kind of business arrangement. I'm not sure the specifics,
Speaker 3: but I think there is some kind.
Speaker 2: Of there's some kind of arrangement where he like he
Speaker 2: sort of consults in this moment. But I do think
Speaker 2: that he does a lot more.
Speaker 3: I think he likes doing it. He like, I think
Speaker 3: he enjoys it. So it's you know, and once you retire,
Speaker 3: like you know, you gotta find something to do. So
Speaker 3: it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Another thing is remember Johnnah he got called for jury duty.
Speaker 2: Then after jury jo.
Speaker 3: Kind of recurring thing where like he was kind of
Speaker 3: like he would go every month or something to a
Speaker 3: jury duty and he would be some kind of foreman
Speaker 3: or some kid, some kind of role involved in it
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm obsessed with your dad, Like that's kind of
Speaker 1: my dream.
Speaker 2: This is a very alley thing. This is what made
Speaker 2: me think of it as like he would get to
Speaker 2: decide like which cases went forward or something like of
Speaker 2: these like small civil like legal guys.
Speaker 1: This doesn't sound quite legal.
Speaker 3: I'm just here's the thing is like you know, we've
Speaker 3: all you know, done jerry duty, and but on some
Speaker 3: of it always seems kind of interesting, but it's never
Speaker 3: you never have time, like you're always like I have
Speaker 3: to work or I have to pay the like once
Speaker 3: you're retired. Someone's jury. It's like watching like a procedural
Speaker 3: court show, but you're like there and you could like
Speaker 3: interactive like I think would actually be great, but there's
Speaker 3: never a good time when.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm never picked because I was
Speaker 1: illegally arrested twice, and so whenever they ask you those
Speaker 1: original questions, you know, like they like, do you like
Speaker 1: think law enforcement always does everything perfectly?
Speaker 2: And you're like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so I never get picked. But my dream
Speaker 1: is to be on a sequester jury where I sit
Speaker 1: in a hotel room and eat Domino's pizza for nine months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like have an affair with another jur like just.
Speaker 2: Like just like, oh god, you know I went I
Speaker 2: before I left New York, I got called for jury
Speaker 2: duty and I was there the whole day, and the
Speaker 2: judge kept saying, this is a really good case because
Speaker 2: we're only going to meet Tuesday through Thursday and it'll
Speaker 2: probably be pretty quick, so like, if you're here, you're
Speaker 2: pretty lucky. And I thought I was going to get
Speaker 2: picked the whole day they were interviewing everybody and whatever,
Speaker 2: and then I started getting a little scared because the
Speaker 2: defendant was sort of a scary guy. And I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a public figure, like I wonder And
Speaker 2: then they dismissed me, and I realized there was before
Speaker 2: they dismissed me to like go wait to see if
Speaker 2: I was picked. The judge went like, I was a
Speaker 2: fan of your work on SNL and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, now this guy really knows. But then I
Speaker 2: realized in retrospect she said that to me because there
Speaker 2: was like no way she was going to pick me.
Speaker 2: It got you know what I mean, like I don't
Speaker 2: think she would have put me in that position. But
Speaker 2: then but I feel like public figures are often on
Speaker 2: jury's right or.
Speaker 3: No, I have no idea, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wait not I know somebody who just went to go
Speaker 1: Sam Bankman Freedmantric.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shamba Winfried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she went there just as a person, like an
Speaker 1: alley move and just went and drew him for like
Speaker 1: a whole day.
Speaker 2: And I was like so like inspired. I was like
Speaker 2: iressed with people who know how to live life.
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, we can't kind of do whatever we
Speaker 1: want when we like on like right now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: why have I just only moved a rug? For a year,
Speaker 1: like there's a whole world out there, like go be
Speaker 1: in at alley, like don't just swirl around your house
Speaker 1: with anxiety.
Speaker 2: You know. But like that was like, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to go to a like Robert Durst.
Speaker 1: I always get him confused with Fred Durst from Limp Biscuit,
Speaker 1: but like like but like when his case was downtown,
Speaker 1: me and my friend Amanda had talked about like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we should just go sit and like do that.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I forget that you can go to
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, anytime you want to go Vanessa, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't express intro.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'll go with you. We'll get lunch. Now.
Speaker 2: If there was a trial in space, put me there.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, we take our little space ice s
Speaker 2: creams right up to space and watch that trial and
Speaker 2: you could draw it and I could and we could
Speaker 2: both write little jokes about it.
Speaker 1: I just want to wear the adult dieper in space.
Speaker 2: So I'm getting just like bring it, Hey, Allie, don't
Speaker 2: we all don't know. We're going to go to a
Speaker 2: quick commercial break, but we'll be right back with our
Speaker 2: friend Ellie. We've got and we're back anyone want to
Speaker 2: say anything else about space, very duty great.
Speaker 1: I did take bowling as a pe credit in community
Speaker 1: college because it was the only pe where you were
Speaker 1: allowed to smoke. And the teacher was so nice.
Speaker 2: He was this guy and he was like, oh, he
Speaker 2: made a rule.
Speaker 1: He's like, if you got to smoke, fine, but like
Speaker 1: not while you're holding the ball.
Speaker 2: You couldn't do it while you held them ball.
Speaker 1: You could all they do it in the back. He
Speaker 1: also taught like AIDS.
Speaker 2: There was like an eighth it was it was like
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: So those were the two classes he taught.
Speaker 2: You know, he was a great guy.
Speaker 1: But if you got to split, like you know in bowling,
Speaker 1: when you have a split the two, he take a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars bill out of his pocket and he put
Speaker 1: it on the part of the You're like, Ali, did
Speaker 1: you go to school, but like no, this also happened
Speaker 1: at Penn Vanessa.
Speaker 2: He took one hundred dollar.
Speaker 1: Bill out and he put it on the bowling ball
Speaker 1: place for the air comes out to like sure, get
Speaker 1: your hand, and he'd be like, if you get that split,
Speaker 1: you can have this hundred bucks. And everyone was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, and like like couldn't like contain their expectment.
Speaker 1: No one ever got that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this all just seemed normal then and now
Speaker 2: I'm going back.
Speaker 1: I was like, who was walking around with crisp hundred
Speaker 1: dollar bills?
Speaker 2: Like letting us all smoke? What that's really amazing? Wow? Well,
Speaker 2: now we're gonna play game with you allie okay, And
Speaker 2: it's called legit moan or unnecessary grown.
Speaker 3: Legit moan unnecessary grows.
Speaker 2: So this was inspired by a now defunct column in
Speaker 2: our local paper growing up, which was called the Cleveland
Speaker 2: Plaine Dealer, and they had this column called Monday Moaning
Speaker 2: that we used to read every Monday, where the paper
Speaker 2: would print extremely petty complaints that the readers had and
Speaker 2: we always found them really funny as kids, and we
Speaker 2: find them even funnier today. So basically, we're gonna pick
Speaker 2: three entries from their archives. At the end of each
Speaker 2: one will decide if we think it's a legit moan,
Speaker 2: meaning that their complaint is legit, or if it's unnecessary grown. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: go ahead, John.
Speaker 3: Jump right here. So here's the first one. It's from Lakewood, Ohio.
Speaker 3: It says, I think we all grasp the idea that
Speaker 3: wild animals can be dangerous to people. When will lawmakers
Speaker 3: in Ohio realize that the same animals need to be
Speaker 3: protected from reckless humans. Come on, Ohio, get some tough
Speaker 3: laws on the books to help out these gorgeous creatures
Speaker 3: and keep them safe from harm ally, what do you
Speaker 3: think you think that's a legit moan or an unnecessary grown.
Speaker 1: I think it's like, let's get some more info in there.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: That's what I think too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I agree?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree? Yeah. I wonder if the timing of this,
Speaker 2: like like if you had read it the week it
Speaker 2: came out, if But I do wish that this person
Speaker 2: had named their some specific Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's this like a slaughter house situation. That's this
Speaker 1: like dogs on chains and the winter outside.
Speaker 2: Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3: They're saying we grass idea wild animals can be dangerous
Speaker 3: to people? When we lawmakers realize these same animals need
Speaker 3: to be protected from reckless humans. So some type of
Speaker 3: wild animal that's attacking maybe bears, I don't know, coyotes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but are their coyotes?
Speaker 2: We don't really have. Do we have coyotes in Ohio?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think they're missing a lot of details.
Speaker 3: You're going to go to the trouble to write a
Speaker 3: letter to the newspaper, why not just be a little
Speaker 3: more straightforward about what you're talking Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because also, you know, you hope that they'll print
Speaker 2: it the week that you sent it. But what if
Speaker 2: they wait a few weeks to send it, then everyone's going,
Speaker 2: what are you referencing here?
Speaker 3: Or if you're wait like fifteen years and read it
Speaker 3: on a podcast, you know, no one's know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 2: Are we supposed to know?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's when we had animals?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all animals on Earth? WHOA? This one is hard, No,
Speaker 2: this one is hard to Okay, our producer Olivia is saying,
Speaker 2: there are coyotes in Ohio. This one, though, I think
Speaker 2: it is hard to say if it's a legit monor
Speaker 2: and unnecessary grown Jonah, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's I like the sentiment right
Speaker 3: protecting animals, So I for that reason, I think I'll
Speaker 3: I'll say it's legit. But I do wish there was
Speaker 3: a little more into Allie, what about.
Speaker 1: You I'm gonna say the come on, Ohio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems to me like someone who writes a lot
Speaker 2: of these letters.
Speaker 1: And yeah, therefore I'm going to say unnecessary grown. Do
Speaker 1: we all have to agree?
Speaker 3: No? No, okay, And by the way, I do agree.
Speaker 3: There's something about the tone that's a little bit I
Speaker 3: don't know, it bugs me a little. Yeah, like, come on, Ohio,
Speaker 3: I know what's best?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like okay, yeah, yeah, if you knew
Speaker 2: it was best, why are you writing into this? And
Speaker 2: why aren't you on some kind of.
Speaker 3: Board vanas you want to get into the next one?
Speaker 2: Okay, this next one is says call me old fashioned?
Speaker 2: How rude is it? You can't even pick up the
Speaker 2: phone to call your parents? You have to sorry, you
Speaker 2: have to text them nowadays. And that's from someone in
Speaker 2: Olmstead falls O High.
Speaker 3: And keep in mind also in case Wen says, these
Speaker 3: are all about like ten to twelve years old. So
Speaker 3: this is when, yes, they call them be a little
Speaker 3: more new.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're wondering here if it's legitimate for the mother
Speaker 1: or to want a phone call opposed to a text
Speaker 1: from the child. I think essentially, yeah, okay, ten years
Speaker 1: ago would have put us in twenty thirteen, Yeah, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: What year are we with?
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway, So.
Speaker 1: You know what, I have an Italian mom who wants
Speaker 1: to every day. So I think my Stockholm syndrome is
Speaker 1: going to put me in legit.
Speaker 2: Mall in here, mother, phone, Okay, call your mother, Call
Speaker 2: your mother?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vanessa, what about you?
Speaker 2: I kind of agree, although I will say this, if
Speaker 2: you're going to write into a column like this, okay,
Speaker 2: just maybe do a little more finessing of your words. Sure,
Speaker 2: this is how it reads. Call me old fashioned period.
Speaker 2: How rude is it you can't even pick up the
Speaker 2: phone nowadays to call your parents. I would more word it,
Speaker 2: like take my daughter for example, like she always texts
Speaker 2: instead of calling me. I really would appreciate a phone call.
Speaker 2: And I think there's also a lot of other young
Speaker 2: adults who are doing this. And then she just wrote,
Speaker 2: excuse me, I'm talking like her. She just wrote, you
Speaker 2: have to text them nowadays? What that's not a sentence?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 2: So yeah, while I do think it's a legit moan,
Speaker 2: I would think it was even more legit if she
Speaker 2: would have spent I'm talking five more minutes just kind
Speaker 2: of getting the wording of this a little more clear.
Speaker 2: So I'm on her side, but not one hundred percent
Speaker 2: because and I'm assuming it's a woman. It could be
Speaker 2: a man, it could be anyone. But I'm just saying we.
Speaker 1: All just assumed, didn't we.
Speaker 2: Well, because you said it reminded you of your mom,
Speaker 2: and now yeah.
Speaker 1: You after hearing it read again in your tone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this mother probably there's a reason no one's falling.
Speaker 2: She's a bitch, and.
Speaker 1: Like she's driven her own children away, and in fact,
Speaker 1: I don't think they should even come to our funeral
Speaker 1: or Christmas.
Speaker 2: Wow. That's a strong take, but that's why we're here,
Speaker 2: is for strong takes. Okay, Jonah, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Do you think this man? You know, I think this
Speaker 3: is kind of a classic problem with this column when
Speaker 3: like there's something you could just tell one person, like
Speaker 3: the person like this person's kid, Hey, would you mind
Speaker 3: calling me more? Instead your taking this incredibly like circular
Speaker 3: root of writing a letter to a newspaper about this thing.
Speaker 3: So to me, it's like, just then then tell your
Speaker 3: son or daughter, Hey, hey, would you mind not texting
Speaker 3: as much? I'd really like to catch up The phone.
Speaker 3: This is such a bizarre way to go about getting
Speaker 3: your message across exactly, and for that reason, I'm going
Speaker 3: to say, it's an unecessary groan.
Speaker 2: I hear you, and you know, I just want to
Speaker 2: add in. Sometimes Ali, when we read these, we go like,
Speaker 2: this person will never ever be able to get their
Speaker 2: point across to whoever they're complaining to, because the person
Speaker 2: will never know. But there was this one that we
Speaker 2: read once where it was this woman who was like,
Speaker 2: why are my co workers giving me such a hard
Speaker 2: time for passing out food to birds in front of
Speaker 2: the bank we work out, and like she keeps she
Speaker 2: keeps complaining to me to the boss, and we were like, oh,
Speaker 2: this actually might work for this person.
Speaker 3: Because very specific.
Speaker 2: It's so specific and clearly the person who was writing it,
Speaker 2: who was giving out food to birds in front of
Speaker 2: the bank, and she was like, why does my co
Speaker 2: worker I think I'm scaring away customers. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: clearly this person's a nightmare and it's gonna be so
Speaker 2: crazy when the person reads it and just takes that
Speaker 2: to their boss.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm the person handing out the food to birds,
Speaker 1: but like, also, how much time off do you again
Speaker 1: during the day on this bank telling I think.
Speaker 3: I lunch break. I believe it was her lunch break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm on our side. I'm always on the
Speaker 2: bird feeder side.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's that's that's a LEGITIM moan for Ali
Speaker 3: for that one from the archives. This is the last one.
Speaker 3: This one is a it's a pretty intense one. I'm
Speaker 3: giving you. I'm giving you a warning. Right now, as
Speaker 3: election day nears, I find myself with one wish. I
Speaker 3: wish we could send a sculpting artist to Mount Rushmore
Speaker 3: to sculpt tears on the faces of those great men
Speaker 3: enshrine there. If they were alive to see the sickening
Speaker 3: status of the Republican and Democratic Houses of Congress have
Speaker 3: brought us to they would surely be in tears. I
Speaker 3: am hopeful that come election day, we've voters turn out
Speaker 3: in record numbers to vote every one of them out
Speaker 3: of office, and Olds saying goes, if you're not part
Speaker 3: of the solution, you're part of the problem. Allie, what
Speaker 3: do you think about this sculpting the tiers onto Mountain
Speaker 3: rush I.
Speaker 2: Think I have goosebumps.
Speaker 4: I think that is the kind of thinking wing need
Speaker 4: that is outside the box. Thinking to me, I'm like,
Speaker 4: think about all the other sculpting tiers. Would that if
Speaker 4: you really think about it, you'd have to go into
Speaker 4: the cheek right to make the tier because you can't hate,
Speaker 4: but you're not blobbing a tier on top.
Speaker 1: So this is a big renno on man smell bush More.
Speaker 1: And then I thought of those state Fair butter sculptures
Speaker 1: where people do I just I like this person's flair
Speaker 1: for the theatrics, and I'm just following them right to
Speaker 1: their AM radio show and calling in and saying, that's right,
Speaker 1: what did happen to America?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. The tears are incredible. Okay, I'm speechless.
Speaker 1: Your speech are people. Let's give it a minute to
Speaker 1: sink in. Maybe because I didn't. Yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: lot of process. I think I don't want to probably
Speaker 1: be on their same side election wise. Sure, maybe there's
Speaker 1: an artist in there that can be convinced. Although they
Speaker 1: didn't just say Republicans or Democrats, they said both.
Speaker 3: Said both.
Speaker 2: They said both, They said both.
Speaker 1: You know which, I think a libertarian stance could be
Speaker 1: the one of sculpting tears.
Speaker 2: Sure what year was this published and can we vote
Speaker 2: for them for I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm going to guess around twenty twelve, maybe something like that,
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that changes things. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think we could spend the rest of our
Speaker 1: lives together just on the zoom and we could go
Speaker 1: through these one at the time, through the microcesses.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 1: This makes me think I'm a big next door post okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And I had more people read my next door posts
Speaker 1: about my broken microwave than my own books.
Speaker 3: And I just.
Speaker 1: I'm enchanted by some of the stuff on next door
Speaker 1: and it's it feels like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hear you got.
Speaker 3: Some store energy, Vanessa? What do you think of this one?
Speaker 2: Here's again I fault this person because of their writing,
Speaker 2: because this person writes as election day near as I
Speaker 2: find myself with one wish. I wish we could send
Speaker 2: a sculpting artist to Mount Rushmore, to sculptors on the faces.
Speaker 2: That's not what this person wants. Actually, what they actually
Speaker 2: want is they want come election Day for the voters
Speaker 2: to vote every one of the Republican and Democratic Congress
Speaker 2: out so I guess what I'm saying is it's so
Speaker 2: snarky to start like, and I like, Ali that you
Speaker 2: took this person at their word of like they just
Speaker 2: they really are because this is what they're saying. They're like,
Speaker 2: my wishes for the sculptor, and then they're saying, like,
Speaker 2: by the way, the reason the sculptor would be doing
Speaker 2: this is because our current Congress has brought us all
Speaker 2: to tears or would bring them to tears. But I
Speaker 2: just go get your point across, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, they did not say sculpture at any point. I
Speaker 1: believe they said the ecoulpting artists.
Speaker 3: Chaulting artists.
Speaker 2: That just said to me as evulpting artists. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I'm going maybe maybe get yourself together before you write
Speaker 2: in this. So I'm calling this an unnecessary groan because
Speaker 2: I think this person is really snarky and I'm not
Speaker 2: into their energy whatsoever. Jonah, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of conflicted on this one. I think
Speaker 3: you both have good points. You know, I get being
Speaker 3: frustrated with the government for sure. I think the tears
Speaker 3: from my rushmore is you know, kind of like like
Speaker 3: I Leu'd say, kind of a creative you know, way
Speaker 3: into that sentiment. I guess where they really let me
Speaker 3: down on this is that final line, because they're like,
Speaker 3: they kind of have this kind of powerful statement. They
Speaker 3: go an old saying goes, if you're not part of
Speaker 3: the solution, you're part of the you know, they just
Speaker 3: throw this cliche in at the end that feels a
Speaker 3: little anti climactic for me.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3: So I guess it's a call to action, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it doesn't totally land for me. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: this is an unnecessary groan. But I get the sentiment.
Speaker 3: I get where they're coming from, but it just doesn't
Speaker 3: come together for me at the end.
Speaker 2: I hear you, hear?
Speaker 1: Do you see either of you see the shape of
Speaker 1: the tier? Is this the emoji with the two streams
Speaker 1: or is it the single tier?
Speaker 3: That's a good question, that's a really good question. I
Speaker 3: don't know. These sculpting artists probably aren't cheap, so maybe
Speaker 3: they're going single tear. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what's the rate of a sculpting artist versus sculptor?
Speaker 2: They might be or they might be a lot less.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, who's my favorite sculpting artist. You
Speaker 1: ever hear this guy Rodin he did this thing called
Speaker 1: the Thinka and it's amazing. It's this sky and he's
Speaker 1: holding his head and he's having like these huge thoughts
Speaker 1: and he's like the Thinka and Rodan one of the
Speaker 1: greatest sculpting artists of a time.
Speaker 2: He did it. Allie, thank you for being here today.
Speaker 2: Oh you've saved my life.
Speaker 1: You guys, you're a guy who knows what would have
Speaker 1: happened to me in the last hour and a half
Speaker 1: didn't have you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. What a delight, What a delight
Speaker 2: to have you. Where can people find you? And please
Speaker 2: plug everything? Well?
Speaker 1: Anyone need blood drawn?
Speaker 2: What about their books kept? Huh? I what do I have?
Speaker 1: A website www dot Allileibagott dot com. You can look
Speaker 1: get my painting singer and it'll bring you right to
Speaker 1: my Instagram where there's some more paintings. You can find
Speaker 1: out about the books I've written there.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, some incredible poetry books and novels. A
Speaker 2: couple of novels, yes, and novel I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a very talented person who, despite acting like she needs
Speaker 2: to find a new job, really has mastered quite a
Speaker 2: few different careers. Thanks Vanessa.
Speaker 1: Working for your show was one of the cop Hollywood highlights.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that right now. That's very nice. Well,
Speaker 2: it was a highlight for me too to get to
Speaker 2: work with you. So I'm rubber your glue blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, I'm excited for you to do my knee surgery.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm going to come in with more jokes and
Speaker 2: quips like that and just kind of figure stuff out
Speaker 2: and we'll probably just film it for a show. Well,
Speaker 2: that was really fun. Thank you so much to Allie
Speaker 2: for joining us, and to everyone for listening. If you
Speaker 2: enjoyed this, please subscribe to the podcast and keep an
Speaker 2: eye out for next week episode of How Did We
Speaker 2: Get Weird? Well, we will discuss more stories from our
Speaker 2: childhood than cultural touchstones like pre Internet report cards.