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Speaker 1: the podcast or after the conversation stay with us. The
Speaker 1: takeaways the things that when you were in the shower
Speaker 1: were like, damn well he said that, he hit hit.
Speaker 1: I felt that, or just sometimes I don't know, even me,
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm interviewing people, even throughout like all the
Speaker 1: years of my career, there's just certain things that stay
Speaker 1: with me. This person said this, This person said this
Speaker 1: random story that just comes to me right now. I
Speaker 1: was interviewing Beyonce around her her birthday album B Day,
Speaker 1: and I guess they did. Is that's the album right
Speaker 1: that Your life flex is Crazy. I'm just sorry that
Speaker 1: that's what just came up for me. What's that? Is
Speaker 1: that the album where she has Upgrade You? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: so we're talking about Upgrade You and I we were
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, Jay being on that song, and
Speaker 1: I remember her saying to me, yeah, Jay was not
Speaker 1: having it. He wanted to be on that song. He
Speaker 1: was like, what you're not gonna do is nigga song
Speaker 1: upgrade you and I'm not on it. I'm paraphrasing what
Speaker 1: Beyonce said, But to meybe for a couple that rarely
Speaker 1: shares any insight to their relationship, I always remembered that, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be out here upgrading me for the
Speaker 1: rest of our relationship, because you would know a song
Speaker 1: like that could stick. It sticks in a headline. Think
Speaker 1: about the term like boo delicious, right, You don't how
Speaker 1: many headlines she had to deal with. Where the boot delicious? Beyonce.
Speaker 1: It's just what you put out in the world. It
Speaker 1: stays with you sometimes. So a song like upgrade you
Speaker 1: in a relationship, it would have forever been Beyonce upgrades
Speaker 1: jay Z. This the mentality of that, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: mine that. But his verse on that song is hard. Oh,
Speaker 1: his verses fire. And also it just levels them out.
Speaker 1: It puts them like we're both upgrading each other yea.
Speaker 1: And it just was like a little insight to that,
Speaker 1: the thoughtfulness of how their relationship could be perceived. I
Speaker 1: might be reading too much into it, but every time
Speaker 1: I hear the song now I remember that story. It
Speaker 1: just is like a stuck with you it was. It
Speaker 1: was a takeaway of that conversation, like how they navigate
Speaker 1: their music making and the messages they put out and
Speaker 1: then what's their relationship anyway. It was a takeaway from
Speaker 1: that episode, not necessarily a takeaway I use in my
Speaker 1: own life, but just a takeaway of like how they
Speaker 1: navigate anyway. I say all that to say, every episode
Speaker 1: we discussed some of the takeaways and some of the episodes.
Speaker 1: And now this is the in real life podcast, so
Speaker 1: our hope is that our takeaways are ones that we
Speaker 1: could actually use in our real life. And Ryan Coogler
Speaker 1: absolutely gave us some takeaways I know for me and Brittany,
Speaker 1: I know, you know this work addiction conversation that we
Speaker 1: had with Ryan. First of all, how dope is he?
Speaker 1: He came in, He's so like, what's up, everybody? What's up?
Speaker 1: Everybody said, talks to the whole room. He is in
Speaker 1: a weird way, like an introvert, but also very gracious
Speaker 1: and thoughtful and just a nice guy. Right. So sure
Speaker 1: he's not he's not walking in like hey, everybody, look
Speaker 1: at me, but he's definitely like walking in looking at
Speaker 1: the room being thoughtful, and you know he's a filmmaker,
Speaker 1: so our crew is like looking at him.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody wants to like impress him.
Speaker 1: They want to do right. Yeah, and you could tell
Speaker 1: that he's aware of that to an extent. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we just loved him. He was super dope.
Speaker 2: This was really a pick for us, like, yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: we know people love Ryan Coogler, and and he's done
Speaker 2: great movies Black Panther, Fruit Filled Station, like he's done
Speaker 2: great work. But really this was just like Angie and
Speaker 2: Brittany and our internal war wanting to get a peek
Speaker 2: inside of the mind of a director of not just
Speaker 2: a director, a producer.
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler. Yeah, I love the way he infuses his
Speaker 1: gift as a filmmaker, but also that we feel, I
Speaker 1: don't know, just his connection to the culture in such
Speaker 1: an authentic way, you know, to somebody to make big
Speaker 1: gazillion dollar movies like that and know to put to
Speaker 1: have Kendrick make the soundtrack to Black Panther, to know
Speaker 1: what Meek Mills songs to put in when you're doing
Speaker 1: Creed shot in Philly. I don't know, It's just something culturally,
Speaker 1: even when you look watch when I watch Creed, and
Speaker 1: I see the relationship between that couple Michael Beach, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh Tessa. I don't know, it just seems authentic.
Speaker 1: Now that could be a credit to the actors, but
Speaker 1: it also like the director, like he just gets I
Speaker 1: don't know how to this is clear what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like he gets honesty and he gets like those little
Speaker 1: nuances that if you from the culture, like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like when they were talking about the roots and oh
Speaker 1: yeah and Philly and Jawn's and you know that matters
Speaker 1: in a big production like that to see authentic culture
Speaker 1: being showcase.
Speaker 2: He obviously cares so deeply about everything, even in the
Speaker 2: conversation with you, Like Ryan Kueer is not a typical
Speaker 2: celebrity facing person. He doesn't always talk all the time,
Speaker 2: do interviews like this. We filmed it during the strike,
Speaker 2: and he like it was a lot of him you
Speaker 2: asking a question and him waiting and thinking thoroughly, And
Speaker 2: I think he moves like that throughout everything that he does.
Speaker 1: He's so thoughtful. I saw that in some of the
Speaker 1: you guys's comments also that you noticed that too, and
Speaker 1: like how thoughtful he was in every question. I asked him.
Speaker 1: But then we learned inside the conversation when he's talking
Speaker 1: about Chadwick Boseman and what he learned from Chadwick, and
Speaker 1: he says that one of the things is that chad
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know if it's just that's how the
Speaker 1: nature of how he was, or based on what he
Speaker 1: was quietly dealing with, you know, his cancer at the time,
Speaker 1: and people didn't even know that he was just so
Speaker 1: mindful and so present and that he would think about
Speaker 1: things and he would move at his own time, and
Speaker 1: Chadwick moved and he learned that from him. So I
Speaker 1: wonder how much of Ryan was like that before, or
Speaker 1: maybe it just gave Ryan the freedom to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me just sit here and think about this answer
Speaker 1: before I answer it, you know, watching chad work. But
Speaker 1: he definitely was influenced by that. And I love that
Speaker 1: story that he shared about him. We would play that clip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do that.
Speaker 3: He rarely had his phone with him and we would
Speaker 3: be working. He would, you know, I'll give him direction.
Speaker 3: He would stop. He would look me right in the eye.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know, I'm right here,
Speaker 3: right here, and like and like if to think about something,
Speaker 3: he would take a deep he would take deep breaths,
Speaker 3: you know, like he moved at his own pace. I've
Speaker 3: never seen him rush, but he was like all right
Speaker 3: on time. One of them kind of people you know.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 4: And and he can't he couldn't be hurried neither. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, can't be hurried. I mean that
Speaker 4: d war you you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because like for me, I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: here king on set.
Speaker 4: So like you know, I get it, you know, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like like he was gonna he was gonna
Speaker 3: move on his long pace, and then you realize what
Speaker 3: he was dealing with, you know, and what he was
Speaker 3: doing for you know. You know what I'm saying. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: you know, so you will somebody like that. You go
Speaker 3: back and replay, you know, every everything he realized. Man,
Speaker 3: that was that was I realized me.
Speaker 4: He was showing me. He was shawing me a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna take a page from that. I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a beat more often. I've gotten better
Speaker 1: at that because you know, being on the radio, you
Speaker 1: got to talk fast and you got to get to
Speaker 1: your point real quick. I used to really talk. I
Speaker 1: still talk fast, for sure, I talk fast, but I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid in an interview to have a little silence now,
Speaker 1: And the younger me didn't have that comfort, whereas now
Speaker 1: I I relish in that little moment of silence, of
Speaker 1: quiet of like, what did this person just say to me?
Speaker 1: Let me think about it.
Speaker 2: So before you might have wanted to fill in the
Speaker 2: fill in space, and I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: people do what I do. It's like this nervous energy,
Speaker 2: so you want to fill in every space conversation where
Speaker 2: it's like it's okay if somebody asks you a question
Speaker 2: or somebody says a statement to you to just be
Speaker 2: like hmm, let me think about that and have that
Speaker 2: quiet right there. You know what I mean, It's okay.
Speaker 2: It actually, to me is more interesting because at least
Speaker 2: you're being thoughtful and mindful. So I love that about
Speaker 2: our conversation. How thoughtful he was. I also, Brittany and
Speaker 2: I both also very much resonated to the work addiction conversation.
Speaker 1: Raise your hand if you've been a victim work addiction,
Speaker 1: if you are currently battling you know, we joke because
Speaker 1: it's light. But one of the things that he said
Speaker 1: about his work addiction is it is like work addiction
Speaker 1: is like a food addiction in a sense that like, look,
Speaker 1: if you're addicted to heroin, the goal is to just
Speaker 1: stop doing heroin. If you're addicted to cocaine, Okay, I
Speaker 1: just got to stop doing cocaine. Now that's not to
Speaker 1: say either one of those things are easy, but you
Speaker 1: quit quitting your addiction is one thing. Living with your
Speaker 1: addiction is something else. He compared it to having an
Speaker 1: eating disorder. Right, So, if you have an eating disorder,
Speaker 1: you can't quit food. You have to learn how to
Speaker 1: live with food. And so it's the same thing with
Speaker 1: like a work addiction. You have to work to live,
Speaker 1: so you have to learn to navigate your work addiction.
Speaker 1: You can't just quit work. Oh I got a work addiction,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna quit working. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: some people are blessed to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: I have never been in my life. Most of us
Speaker 1: aren't same. So it's like, Okay, so I can't quit
Speaker 1: quit my work addiction, but I can change my relationship
Speaker 1: with it, I think, is what he was saying. Because
Speaker 1: if you don't, you can lose the things that are
Speaker 1: important to you. We know a lot of people who
Speaker 1: if you know, you lose friendships, you lose relationships, you
Speaker 1: could lose yourself even honestly, in your work addiction, you
Speaker 1: could lose loose your purpose. So you're so busy grinding
Speaker 1: on this one thing that you get lost in that.
Speaker 1: And that's not a good life. Even if you love
Speaker 1: what you do, it's still not a balanced, healthy life.
Speaker 1: It's like and then you will find if you bury
Speaker 1: yourself in your work, where does the inspiration come from?
Speaker 1: You got to go and live life to be inspired
Speaker 1: somewhat to somewhat bar you do, whether especially if you're
Speaker 1: in the arts in any way, or a creative in
Speaker 1: any in any way. You know how many creatives I
Speaker 1: know that, like whether you're a writer or you're a
Speaker 1: producer or an artist. Like creatives get anybody who's a
Speaker 1: successful creative, they get burnt out, people just pulling at
Speaker 1: them all the time and work, work, work, work, work, work, work,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they got nothing left.
Speaker 1: And if you if you make a living, or if
Speaker 1: your purpose is to be a creative and you don't
Speaker 1: give yourself enough time to rest and to find inspiration.
Speaker 1: You know, a work addiction will burn you ass out
Speaker 1: and you will lose that gift that you're given, that
Speaker 1: creative gift, which is a gift. If you're creative, you
Speaker 1: get that's a gift, and you've got to treat it
Speaker 1: as such. Did I get to a preachy just now?
Speaker 1: On your Brittany, You definitely took us to school. But
Speaker 1: I went to a place just now because you know,
Speaker 1: because I've felt it. No, I did, because I've seen it,
Speaker 1: and I've I've seen it firsthand, and so i know
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. So a work addiction. We laugh,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're addicted to work. But honestly, there is
Speaker 1: something serious to be taken about that if it is
Speaker 1: something you're doing, if you're using it as avoidance, if
Speaker 1: you're not dealing with your emotional life and your emotional self.
Speaker 1: You know, like he said, he was dealing with some
Speaker 1: time in his life and he realized, oh man, I'm
Speaker 1: still working and I'm this is weird. Like he got
Speaker 1: called out on it. I don't know about who, but
Speaker 1: I'm guessing his wife or somebody very close to him.
Speaker 1: We do the same thing. It's like salone, it's cranes
Speaker 1: in the sky. You want to kiss it away, you
Speaker 1: want to work it away, you want to I don't
Speaker 1: know the words of the song, but you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just pushing, pushing off the uncomfortableness, whatever
Speaker 2: other uncomfortable feelings are going on in.
Speaker 1: Your life, so that you could emotionally disconnect. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about any type of trauma,
Speaker 1: any type of anger, any type of issue you got
Speaker 1: going on. You could just bury it in whatever the
Speaker 1: thing is. And in this case, it'd be work, be
Speaker 1: a work addiction anyway, something for us all to think
Speaker 1: about it. We think Ryan for that anyway. So here's
Speaker 1: a clip of Ryan talking about that a little bit
Speaker 1: and how it shows up for him.
Speaker 3: It's a self diagnosis, right, But like I kind of
Speaker 3: discovered it when I was going through something really emotionally
Speaker 3: intense actively I don't disclose what it was. And I
Speaker 3: realized that I was unconsciously working like I was working
Speaker 3: at a time, and I really shouldn't have been working.
Speaker 4: I should have been dealing with what was happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I should have been dealing with what was happening,
Speaker 3: and I kind of got called out on it, like, Yo,
Speaker 3: why are you should emails and making calls about this thing?
Speaker 3: We got this going on, you know, and I I realized, like,
Speaker 3: oh I got a problem, you know, Like, so I navigated,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But it's a lot, Like it's a lot like if
Speaker 4: somebody who.
Speaker 3: Gotta eating dishworder right because you have to work, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and live, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: you gotta eat live. So when you're dealing with things
Speaker 3: that's like necessities, it gets tricky, but you also love
Speaker 3: it too. Yeah, yeah, and it brings good things, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So it's complicated, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: but it also ruined your life.
Speaker 1: So yes, we should all be mindful of our work addictions.
Speaker 1: We learned that. That is a tremendous takeaway from the
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler episode, But there was a lot. There was
Speaker 1: a few bars. His bar about the prisoner of your
Speaker 1: own perspective was pretty great too. Did you remember that
Speaker 1: one we were talking about. I was telling him the
Speaker 1: story about me like owning like my little jealous moment
Speaker 1: with ed lover and then letting it go those are
Speaker 1: just say jealous moment.
Speaker 2: I always love when Angie, when you go into your
Speaker 2: own personal stories about it, because on your radio show,
Speaker 2: we don't get that. So it's only for IRA listeners
Speaker 2: that they get to hear like a peek into your
Speaker 2: brain of your personal life, and you tell an amazing
Speaker 2: story about how you wanted this Oprah interview so bad.
Speaker 1: It was like, that's the next thing. You know what
Speaker 1: part of the story I left out and I forgot
Speaker 1: to say and I wish I did. Oh, so I
Speaker 1: tell this story about Ed Lover, who was just recently
Speaker 1: made competition on the radio, he gets this Oprah interview,
Speaker 1: which I always was dying. It was my wish to
Speaker 1: get this Oprah interview. But the thing I didn't tell
Speaker 1: on the podcast in this podcast was that the reason
Speaker 1: I wanted to Oprah interview so bad at that time,
Speaker 1: she had just said some remarks about hip hop, like
Speaker 1: some disappointing things about hip hop culture, and I really
Speaker 1: wanted to be the person to talk to her about that.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just I wanted an Oprah interview. I
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about to Oprah about her perspective
Speaker 1: and why she felt like that about hip hop, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to explain to her what I loved about
Speaker 1: it so we could have this amazing, in my mind,
Speaker 1: meaningful conversation. And then she decided to go somewhere else. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: That helps because it wasn't just about oh, this is
Speaker 2: a tech on my resume or this is I've made
Speaker 2: it purpose. It was with purpose. I really wanted to
Speaker 2: because I love and respect her so much and she
Speaker 2: was always my dream interview.
Speaker 1: But now in this moment, I was like disappointed by her,
Speaker 1: but also I wanted to educate her a little bit
Speaker 1: from my perspective, and I just thought I was the
Speaker 1: person this was going to be my interview. I could
Speaker 1: I could do this. I could bring Oprah to the
Speaker 1: side and show her and then and then I love
Speaker 1: I got the interview and he did a great job,
Speaker 1: and I had to salute him on that, and I
Speaker 1: had to be honest with the fact that I was
Speaker 1: a little jealous, and letting that go was healthy for me.
Speaker 2: Jealousy is like it gets a really bad rep but
Speaker 2: jealousy is is really a super tool, a positive tool,
Speaker 2: because if you make it, yes, yes, jealousy can turn
Speaker 2: very quickly into envy and either use it to motivate
Speaker 2: yourself or then you go the other route and that's
Speaker 2: no good.
Speaker 1: Then you're the one of the funk.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But Brian says this good part, and we'll play this
Speaker 2: clip about how he used to be really good at
Speaker 2: football before he got accepted into film school, and he says, like,
Speaker 2: this is how Ryan leans into the fear of jealousy.
Speaker 3: So by the time I was in film school, I
Speaker 3: learned to, like if I got the feeling, like somebody's
Speaker 3: that feeling Mark Sean gave me when I was playing
Speaker 3: against you. But but artistically, like i'll meet another student,
Speaker 3: it's like, all this person is better than me at
Speaker 3: this thing or or further along, and I get that,
Speaker 3: I get that feeling, I'll run towards you. You know,
Speaker 3: I'll try to, you know, try to befriend the person
Speaker 3: and be around him, and she would I can learn,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We could collaborate as opposed
Speaker 3: to like like being like my.
Speaker 1: But did you have to did you have to learn
Speaker 1: how to do that?
Speaker 3: I think Schwartz taught me, you know, like life's kind
Speaker 3: of taught me before I got to grad school. So
Speaker 3: I was already I was already in the and the
Speaker 3: zone there.
Speaker 1: You know, do you see people do you look at
Speaker 1: other directors or other people now and think have those feelings?
Speaker 4: Like the time?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the time? Man, That's why I know. That's
Speaker 4: why I know something's good.
Speaker 1: I like that part because you really like, why not
Speaker 1: if somebody? If you change the word instead of and beyond.
Speaker 1: You have to be honest with yourself to even know
Speaker 1: you're jealous, right, because sometimes you're not being honest with
Speaker 1: yourself and you're just like, they wasn't all that. I
Speaker 1: did it better. If you're trying to push it aside,
Speaker 1: you push it aside and it becomes and it's ugly
Speaker 1: if you push it aside and try to front like
Speaker 1: it's something else, because then you start comparing or you
Speaker 1: start just being negative towards somebody. So if you can
Speaker 1: be honest with yourself and say, gosh, that makes me
Speaker 1: a little jealous, instead of leaning into the being jealous,
Speaker 1: you could lean into I'm inspired. You could lean into
Speaker 1: inspiration like damn, what did they what? How did they
Speaker 1: do that? How did they do that? Or yeah, how
Speaker 1: could I emulate? You have to figure out a way
Speaker 1: for it to be positive, and he said, like he said,
Speaker 1: he leans into it. He tries to get to know
Speaker 1: people who might be better than him, which I thought
Speaker 1: was super dope. And also when he was talking about
Speaker 1: when we were talking about competition and how somebody could
Speaker 1: look at something, it was just that one line that
Speaker 1: he said. What he said, you're a prisoner of your
Speaker 1: own perspective, which, man, if that's not a bar, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even need any explanation, like you are a prisoner
Speaker 1: of your own perspective.
Speaker 2: To take a Moment's just that, like just let that
Speaker 2: I might get a tattoo. It says that, because honestly,
Speaker 2: it's so deep and it's so true, you really sometimes
Speaker 2: got to change your perspective because you really could become
Speaker 2: a prisoner of that. Anyway, He's so good on so
Speaker 2: many levels, so we were grateful for him coming by.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you haven't checked out the episode,
Speaker 2: it is of course live. There are many more gems
Speaker 2: and takeaways that you can get for yourself. And also
Speaker 2: he's just something about him is very compelling to watch.
Speaker 1: It's soothing. Ryan's I saw somebody say that in the comments,
Speaker 1: and she was somebody but I could watch you and
Speaker 1: Ryan just keep talking like I don't know why, it's
Speaker 1: just like relaxing to me. It makes me would and
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like, girl, I get it because
Speaker 1: I Yes, I felt the same way talking to him,
Speaker 1: like I could just keep talking to him. The accents
Speaker 1: helped too. The accent is great. I love the bay
Speaker 1: Area accent. Yes to the Bay Air salute to the
Speaker 1: bay Area. Anyway, So thank you to Ryan Coogler. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the episode, it's on episode it's on
Speaker 1: the YouTube page Edge Martinez Irl. Of course, you can
Speaker 1: listen to it here or wherever podcasts are heard. And please,
Speaker 1: guys subscribe so you don't miss any of them. We
Speaker 1: got new episodes coming up. Was there anything else you have, Britt, Nope,
Speaker 1: that was great.
Speaker 2: I love Ryan.
Speaker 1: We love Ryan. Team Ryan. I did see in a
Speaker 1: couple of comments that people were like, did you give
Speaker 1: him your script?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I r Ralph family. Hold Angie, Dad,
Speaker 1: I love you are accountable Okay, And by the way,
Speaker 1: I love y'all for that thing. Yes, and I do
Speaker 1: read all the comments, so I do appreciate them. Uh,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we're working on it.
Speaker 2: Anyways, tune us into the next one. Make sure you're
Speaker 2: commenting your own takeaways, keep messaging us. Check out the
Speaker 2: episode if you haven't already.
Speaker 1: Word and thank you guys. Catch you on the next one.