Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3: Everybody is the j n V. Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 4: We are the Breakfast Club Laura la Rossa as our
Speaker 4: guest host. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 4: miss former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner.
Speaker 1: Welcome, it's good to be home.
Speaker 3: Welcome back. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2: You look amazing? Man, you can I get up.
Speaker 3: I just will let you know. Charlomage throw shots at
Speaker 3: everybody because of you.
Speaker 1: One of the producers came back.
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, Neda turn this here and
Speaker 4: she's looking amazing and Charlamage was like, well, that's because
Speaker 4: she's in the gym.
Speaker 2: Eat well a shot.
Speaker 1: Let me give a shout out to my trainer, Derek
Speaker 1: Goddale from d d T Dereck Dondale Training in Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 2: They help and be holded.
Speaker 1: Is Lauren? Is it alright? Is it alright? What made
Speaker 1: you want to go down that path of you know,
Speaker 1: getting right physically because we need it. You know, you
Speaker 1: talk a lot about mental health and it's all it
Speaker 1: all goes together, mental health, physical health and dorphins you
Speaker 1: get And I didn't want to hurt nobody. So I
Speaker 1: got to get in there. My trainer is also a
Speaker 1: boxer too, So I get on the bag to DJ
Speaker 1: and I picture all kinds of lowering, all kinds of faces.
Speaker 1: That's trying to hurt nobody.
Speaker 3: Out just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Work out every day, almost every day. Yes, seventy percent
Speaker 1: of it is what you eat. And he tells me
Speaker 1: that all the time. Now I had gotten smaller than
Speaker 1: what I am now, and he was a little concerned
Speaker 1: about it. So he did tell him to go eat
Speaker 1: some fridfish front fries. Get that back up, because I
Speaker 1: had lost my sister. Girl, you know too much. But
Speaker 1: he was joking. I mean, he was just saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you you you're getting a little too small. So he's
Speaker 1: a good trainer. It's not just about it's about how
Speaker 1: you feel. He knows each and every one of his
Speaker 1: clients in a deep way. He knows when you're not
Speaker 1: feeling right. He knows when something is every single client,
Speaker 1: not just me, And I think that's a special gift.
Speaker 1: He's a gifted man. I have to bring them the
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, people have bonds with trainers that that a lot
Speaker 4: of people don't see because they have that time, and
Speaker 4: they're there for an hour or two hours, and they're
Speaker 4: talking not just about training, but about life as.
Speaker 1: Well, holistic exactly everybody. So as we I know, everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna be eating, you know, from Thanksgiving through New Years,
Speaker 1: but we gotta keep it together and every This is
Speaker 1: for everybody, but especially black people because we go through
Speaker 1: so much. And your your health is ultimately your wealth.
Speaker 1: And it is spiritual. It is physical, it's mental, it's
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But working out it's not just
Speaker 1: about weight loss or toning. It's psychological too. It keeps
Speaker 1: you sharp.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad because you know, next year is a
Speaker 2: presidential election.
Speaker 1: Years on, everybody you said Biden shouldn't win, I shouldn't run,
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna win, But anybody you said he shouldn't run.
Speaker 2: I mean that's but that's why I think he shouldn't run,
Speaker 2: because he's not going to win.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna win. You know, I wish he was
Speaker 1: just running the primary. Can we just start with the primary,
Speaker 1: at least running the primary, because we have a primary
Speaker 1: that the d N is refusing to acknowledge because both parties,
Speaker 1: when you have an incumbent, they pretend like competitors don't exist.
Speaker 1: Primaries are for us to have a robust debate a
Speaker 1: boy about ideas, and if, in fact then Cumban is
Speaker 1: the strongest candidate, then that will come out in the
Speaker 1: wash too. It's kind of like training. Why not you
Speaker 1: got Mary Anne Williamson running as a Democrat, You got
Speaker 1: Janke Huger running as a Democrat. You got doctor Cornell
Speaker 1: West running as an independent. I think doctor Cornell West
Speaker 1: and also Robert Kennedy Junior should be on both stages,
Speaker 1: but minimally they should be on the Democratic stage. And
Speaker 1: then you got Congressman Dean Phillips who has jumped in
Speaker 1: the race running as a Democrat. If your ideas are
Speaker 1: all that, then to bake them out in the primary
Speaker 1: so that things can come out in the wash, so
Speaker 1: that you're ready for the main event. But the Democrats
Speaker 1: have decided they don't want to do that, and so
Speaker 1: now they have anointed Biden as the air parent. Just
Speaker 1: because the incumbent don't mean you entitled to a second term.
Speaker 1: And that's him or anybody else that goes for me
Speaker 1: or any other politician. You got to earn the vote
Speaker 1: each and every time.
Speaker 2: What would say the people who say none of those
Speaker 2: people you name have a chance in hell of win.
Speaker 1: Well they won't have a chance in hell to win
Speaker 1: if people don't know that they're running. And the media
Speaker 1: is very important, and that's what I love so much
Speaker 1: about the Breakfast Club because you guys give audience to everybody, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian,
Speaker 1: no party, rock and roll, cock, you know, R and B, whatever,
Speaker 1: however you rolling because people need to know those other
Speaker 1: people are running. And if people want to know why
Speaker 1: governors are not running right now, you know, like the
Speaker 1: governor of California who just debated DeSantis in Florida, Well
Speaker 1: he not running because he needs to play the game
Speaker 1: so he can be ready for twenty twenty eight. If
Speaker 1: he runs, or any of these governors run, they see
Speaker 1: they don't have to courage to buck the system to
Speaker 1: say that we are in peril. Seventeen polls have shown
Speaker 1: President Biden losing. Now, I get it, polls are snapshots
Speaker 1: in time. But this is turning into a polaroid picture.
Speaker 1: I know I'm dating myself now, but this snapshot is
Speaker 1: becoming more than a snapshot, is becoming a very clear picture.
Speaker 1: Most Americans do not want to see a rematch between
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden and former President Donald J. Trump. Are
Speaker 1: the facts.
Speaker 3: That's scary though.
Speaker 4: You know, first of all, I just want to say
Speaker 4: polaroids back and my daughter asked for. But you know,
Speaker 4: that's very scary when you have everybody, politicians, regular people
Speaker 4: saying that they don't have faith in Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Or people are gonna go out
Speaker 3: or we're just gonna give this to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: It's not given though, DJ. It's it's a competition. So
Speaker 1: I need people to understand this. Politicians are not old anything.
Speaker 1: I need to come and ask you for your vote.
Speaker 1: I need to lay down what I did for you,
Speaker 1: you know, as Miss Jackson asked and one of her songs,
Speaker 1: what have you done for me lately? You don't owe
Speaker 1: me as the politician, I owe you. And to think
Speaker 1: that President Biden is the best or the only thing
Speaker 1: that we have. He ain't the savior, you know, And
Speaker 1: I would say this about any candid. Everybody knows I
Speaker 1: rock with you know, I rocked with Senator Bernard Sanders.
Speaker 1: Who is you know supporting Joe Biden? For me, it's
Speaker 1: what are you doing for my people? What are you
Speaker 1: doing for the people in the hood where they misunderstood.
Speaker 1: What are you doing for working class people of all
Speaker 1: backgrounds in this country? You let the shadow president, you know,
Speaker 1: hijack your bill back better. We ain't built back nothing better.
Speaker 1: Then you got billions of dollars to send over the war.
Speaker 1: Janet yelling the secretary. The Treasury secretary when she was asked,
Speaker 1: can we afford we Americans afford two wars? She said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can afford it. So if we can afford two wars,
Speaker 1: then we could afford the enhance to keep the enhanced
Speaker 1: child tax credit. If we can afford two wars, and
Speaker 1: why don't y'all go hund and cancel all student debt
Speaker 1: and then put a mechanism in place so that kind
Speaker 1: of debt doesn't happen to college students again. If we
Speaker 1: can afford two wars, and baby, we can afford universal
Speaker 1: health care. If we can afford two wars, and damn it,
Speaker 1: black people want their reparations. That's all I'm saying. Hey,
Speaker 1: charity starts at home and spreads abroad. I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: don't help any of our allies. But we got people
Speaker 1: dying in the streets of America right now for the
Speaker 1: lack of resources. But they got the pure unadulterated golf
Speaker 1: to say, we ain't got money for domestic issues. What
Speaker 1: about domestics, tranquility, that's part of it too. So people
Speaker 1: fed up DJ they just all they gonna say. I
Speaker 1: don't think people are going I know there's a poll
Speaker 1: that says that about twenty two percent of black people
Speaker 1: are gonna go over to Trump. Maybe they will, maybe
Speaker 1: they won't, but I think most people are just not
Speaker 1: gonna vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say.
Speaker 5: Question for you, do you feel like though, because of
Speaker 5: the people that you mentioned, like the cornal us Is
Speaker 5: and other people that are running on that side, they
Speaker 5: don't have the platform is not there, And as sad
Speaker 5: as it is, people don't a lot of stuff you're
Speaker 5: talking about. People go and vote just because of who
Speaker 5: they're hearing about on social who has the biggest campaign,
Speaker 5: So what's the real like, what do they do? How
Speaker 5: do they even get next to Biden has the platform,
Speaker 5: he's a president right now.
Speaker 1: Well, the incumbany is always going to have the upper hand.
Speaker 1: That's the system. But we live in a time where
Speaker 1: maybe you can google everything. I mean, people got to
Speaker 1: study to show themselves approved. But media is a powerful force,
Speaker 1: and you all know that because you hold a modicum
Speaker 1: of power. To the extent that mainstream media continues to
Speaker 1: lock out these people on then you're right, most people
Speaker 1: may never hear them. I think doctor Cornell West has
Speaker 1: somewhat advantage because he's an internationally known philosopher, you know,
Speaker 1: international known intellectual. So a lot of people cross generations
Speaker 1: definitely know doctor Cornell West. Now they might not get
Speaker 1: to know that he's running for president, but he's running,
Speaker 1: and the same for all the other people. I think
Speaker 1: Congressman Phillips may have an advantage because he is a congressman.
Speaker 1: He got that fancy title right now. But the mainstream
Speaker 1: media is not supposed to be calling these politicians. They're
Speaker 1: supposed to open up the airways for everybody and let
Speaker 1: the games begin, let's compete for this stuff, and so
Speaker 1: it is shameful that that is not happening.
Speaker 2: I think you know what's interesting to me, Senator Turn
Speaker 2: is people are using logic for elogical times, right, because
Speaker 2: even when you bring up the polls, people will say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, polls aren't always accurate. It's not even just
Speaker 2: the polling he's polling terribly against a man who has
Speaker 2: ninety one criminal charges for indictments to impeachment. It shouldn't
Speaker 2: be closed. It shouldn't be close a man who said
Speaker 2: he wants to be a dictator, like, it shouldn't be close.
Speaker 2: And why people are like, maybe you need to step aside.
Speaker 2: That's why David Axlerod is saying, hey, maybe you need
Speaker 2: to step aside.
Speaker 1: We can't risk it and not be selfish. I think
Speaker 1: for both of these men they can run. Right. We
Speaker 1: know age is a factor, but I think age is
Speaker 1: connected to economics, how people are feeling about their personal economies.
Speaker 1: I know that the system. You look at the stats
Speaker 1: and they'll saying, oh, the economy is doing better, but
Speaker 1: is it doing better for big Mama? Is it doing
Speaker 1: better for Big Daddy? Are they feeling it? Because the economy,
Speaker 1: the measures that we use to say that our economy
Speaker 1: is healthy is based already on a rig system. In
Speaker 1: other words, the system leans towards those who have the
Speaker 1: greatest wealth. But if big Mama and Big Poppa can't
Speaker 1: afford the eggs or the gas everything is going up,
Speaker 1: then damn what the numbers say on paper. We need
Speaker 1: to know what is happening for them in their real
Speaker 1: lives now? The point about the polling again snapshots, we
Speaker 1: get it. But unless Democrats make some real, deep seated changes,
Speaker 1: all them poles can't be wrong. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: dropping bread crumbs. It's telling us something. And so both
Speaker 1: of those men can run, right, they are allowed to run.
Speaker 1: I won't say that they shouldn't have the ability to run,
Speaker 1: but I think it's selfish that they are running. In
Speaker 1: other words, that's the best we can do in this
Speaker 1: country is to have a rematch between two presidents that
Speaker 1: most Americans do not want, and even Democrats. If you
Speaker 1: look at President Biden, most Democrats do not want Joseph R.
Speaker 1: Biden as the candidate. So he's not the only one.
Speaker 1: He's the only one that the system is elevating in
Speaker 1: such a way that it's locking out other people who
Speaker 1: would be logical choices to run. And then you got
Speaker 1: a few courageous people who have been in this studio
Speaker 1: who I just named, who are out there in saying
Speaker 1: damn that I'm running anyway.
Speaker 3: Would you like to see?
Speaker 1: Well me actually? But ain't nobody better? But I'm not
Speaker 1: running right now? I love doctor Cornell West. I think
Speaker 1: he got the moral courage and the moral fire right now.
Speaker 1: And then my other choice, if I could vote for
Speaker 1: two people for the people that are running right now,
Speaker 1: be Mary Ann Williamson. Those two are out there doing
Speaker 1: the Dagon thing, and doctor West has definitely made the
Speaker 1: requess of sacrifices to be running in this race. For
Speaker 1: Lawrence's point is well taken. You know he won't get
Speaker 1: he well, I won't say he won't get the OXI
Speaker 1: this is gonna be harder. I think it's positioning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to ask you this, does it
Speaker 4: ball do like what Lauren said, where people are so
Speaker 4: stuck in the way of I'm born Democrat, I vote Democrat.
Speaker 4: I'm born Republican, I'm a vote Republican, and I'm not
Speaker 4: voting it independent because that's the way that I've been
Speaker 4: doing it, my parents been doing it, my grandparents been
Speaker 4: doing it. And it's kind of like we're stuck in
Speaker 4: a z own. I know, I know a lot of
Speaker 4: people that just go to the thing like Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat,
Speaker 4: don't even knowho they voting for it.
Speaker 2: Just Democrats, especially judges.
Speaker 1: Judges really get a free pass and then main ones
Speaker 1: we need to check out because they got the ability
Speaker 1: to keep you out free or lock you up. No,
Speaker 1: it does bother me. But when you know better, you
Speaker 1: should do better.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a.
Speaker 1: Scripture in the Christian Bible. World Paul said, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was a child, I did childish things. Right,
Speaker 1: It's time for us to grow up and do the research.
Speaker 1: We have more technology at our disposal than any other general,
Speaker 1: so it really it's no excuse. I used to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say vote for so and so and so on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote. But then I'm matured and I started
Speaker 1: to do the research and now it's not that hard.
Speaker 1: So yes, DJ, it does bother me that people are
Speaker 1: just going just just flapping in the wind instead of
Speaker 1: doing the study and then asking these politicians, really, what
Speaker 1: have you done? Not that you like them, not that
Speaker 1: you want to have a beer with them, not that
Speaker 1: you would club with them, because I like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but what have you done with the power
Speaker 1: that you have to change the conditions for the people
Speaker 1: who suffer the most in this country? If you haven't
Speaker 1: done anything, then why am I voting for you? And
Speaker 1: then people say the lesser the two evils. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, sometimes people just gonna throwup their hands and say, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna vote for straight up evil because I
Speaker 1: already know lesser too. Evil ain't get me none, so
Speaker 1: I might as well go go all the way and
Speaker 1: just go for evil.
Speaker 2: Do you think Palestine and Israel is gonna have a
Speaker 2: real impact on President Inviden Because I hear a lot
Speaker 2: of people in Michigan, especially Muslim Americas in Michigan, say
Speaker 2: the ain't not rocking with them voting for showing up
Speaker 2: like it will.
Speaker 1: And I don't think people are gonna change their minds
Speaker 1: Now we haggling over Medicare for all, and you don't
Speaker 1: do it, then I may just go ahead and vote
Speaker 1: for you anyway and keep fighting you to try to
Speaker 1: get it. But now we're talking about the slaughter of
Speaker 1: innocent people in Gaza. Let's talk about the slaughter of
Speaker 1: Palestinian people in the West Bank. That's not even talked
Speaker 1: about a lot. But you got eighteen thousand people dead,
Speaker 1: you got about forty two thousand or so people maimed
Speaker 1: or injured. You got sixty percent of the Gaza has
Speaker 1: been just blown up. So imagine being a son or
Speaker 1: daughter or a person from Gaza. Imagine being a Palestinian.
Speaker 1: And if you live, what do you have? You know,
Speaker 1: I saw a picture of a she probably was five
Speaker 1: or six year zeros old, a Palestinian young girl. She's
Speaker 1: shaking like a leaf, traumatized.
Speaker 2: That's trauma.
Speaker 1: And if you have children, or you know somebody who
Speaker 1: have children, imagine that that was your children. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the Middle East is going to be blood is on
Speaker 1: the hands of the United States of America. There's a
Speaker 1: law called the Lahy Law. And in that law, that
Speaker 1: law was put in place in nineteen ninety six. The
Speaker 1: law said that we in America should not be given
Speaker 1: funds to military operators who we know are violating human rights.
Speaker 1: Just slaughtering innocent people to get at Hamas, I think
Speaker 1: is a violation of human rights. You got Netting Yahoo
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen said that under his watches, under his watch,
Speaker 1: there would never be a Palestinian state. So now, how
Speaker 1: as a Palestinian, what am I gonna do with that?
Speaker 1: If we take harmas yeah, evil vile, what they did
Speaker 1: immoral and illegal under international law. Let's deal with that.
Speaker 1: But eighteen thousand Palestinians dead, forty two or so thousand
Speaker 1: maimed and injured. Their entire world is in ruble. If
Speaker 1: we don't have a cease fire, how we ever gonna
Speaker 1: get to peace? And then the mental impact on the
Speaker 1: people who survive on what just happened to them. That
Speaker 1: girl shaking, that baby shaken, is many like her. What
Speaker 1: is she gonna think growing up? You think she gonna
Speaker 1: be in love with the system. No, she's not. And
Speaker 1: so the keep is really safe. Palestinian's gotta have self
Speaker 1: determination to keep Palestinian safe, Israeli's got to have self determination.
Speaker 1: But they do. They control the water, the electricity. So
Speaker 1: we're not looking at this in a way that's very holistic.
Speaker 1: The UN has said this, you know, don't do this.
Speaker 1: Many of the human rights organizations across the world said,
Speaker 1: don't do this. All I want to know is how
Speaker 1: many people gotta die before we realize that you can't
Speaker 1: war your way to peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know sender that Bernie Sanders is on this
Speaker 2: weekend and he said that we have to stop giving
Speaker 2: Israel a blank.
Speaker 1: Check without condition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to stop giving them a blank check
Speaker 2: for it so they can stop killing innocent, you know,
Speaker 2: civilians and children, And I feel like, man, why aren't
Speaker 2: people talking about that more like that point, because everybody
Speaker 2: was focused on him saying we can't have a permanent
Speaker 2: ceasefire with people who want permanent war. You think you
Speaker 2: think it's justified. But the flag he's getting, the back
Speaker 2: like he's getting for this.
Speaker 1: Some of this stuff is incongruent. Now I'm with the
Speaker 1: Senator on don't just give Israel or any other country
Speaker 1: just a blank check? Are we paying for You know,
Speaker 1: my mama say I pay I paid for this. You
Speaker 1: live in my house. I pay everything, So you gonna
Speaker 1: do what I say?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 1: The same thing applies here if America took a moral
Speaker 1: position on this to say, you know what, I get it.
Speaker 1: What Hamas did was rotten, evil, wicked. Hey, go after
Speaker 1: Hamas surgically. But there comes a point where there are
Speaker 1: too many bodies laying and wake, how many more bodies?
Speaker 1: I just want to how many more bodies it's gonna take.
Speaker 1: So although I appreciate Senator Bernard Sanders saying don't just
Speaker 1: give Israel blank check, but at the same time, the
Speaker 1: Senator don't want a permanent Ceasepore. So how do we
Speaker 1: get to permanent peace? At some point, people got to
Speaker 1: stop the shooting and the bombing. And most of those
Speaker 1: bombs are coming from Israel. They in our name, those
Speaker 1: bombs are made over here. It's our money. So we
Speaker 1: are culpable for the deaths of the Palestinians. And you
Speaker 1: know what, it's not only gonna impact you and you
Speaker 1: and you mean, it's gonna impact our children, our children children.
Speaker 1: See now you're messing with my stuff now. And all
Speaker 1: the money that we send over there, whether it's over
Speaker 1: there or in the Ukraine, is less money that we
Speaker 1: have to have universal health care, canceling student that you know,
Speaker 1: name the things that we need. Water systems help Flint,
Speaker 1: Michigan still got dirty water. The Democratic Secretary Attorney General
Speaker 1: in Michigan dropped the case. So now you got people
Speaker 1: who live in Flint who just got to live with it.
Speaker 1: And I can go on and on and on. What
Speaker 1: are we gonna do on the domestic side of the Ledger?
Speaker 1: And Israel certainly is our ally, Israel has a right
Speaker 1: to exist, Israel has a right to protect itself. And
Speaker 1: what about the Palestinians? Because I learned in math, you
Speaker 1: know what you do on one side, you got to
Speaker 1: do on the other. So what about the Palestinians? And
Speaker 1: what about the innocent Palestinians? Over fifty percent of those
Speaker 1: people are our kids. Is a very young community. They
Speaker 1: didn't vote for Hamas, So at what point? How many bodies?
Speaker 1: I just want to know how many bodies? So look,
Speaker 1: I get it, but you gotta have a ceasefire. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you get the peace without a ceasefire.
Speaker 1: And then how do we get to a permanent piece
Speaker 1: where Palestinians have self determination? I want our viewers and
Speaker 1: listeners to know they don't control electricity, they don't control food,
Speaker 1: they don't control water, they don't control all of that.
Speaker 1: So how can you control your livelihood when you can't
Speaker 1: control the basics? Maslow's hierarchy you need is in play here,
Speaker 1: and so we got to put ourselves in that place.
Speaker 1: Remember Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior not the only one,
Speaker 1: but he is the symbol for it. As long as
Speaker 1: he was talking about civil rights for black people, it.
Speaker 2: Was all good.
Speaker 1: But when the Reverend Doctor started talking about the Vietnam War,
Speaker 1: they all hold on, brother, hold on you done, got
Speaker 1: out your depths. Now we ain't gonna allow you to
Speaker 1: talk about that.
Speaker 2: That's the same he communist, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing happening right now. We got to
Speaker 1: stand up for humanity because that but by the grace
Speaker 1: of God, that could be any of us. So, no
Speaker 1: indiscriminate killing of Israeli, no indiscriminate killing a Palestinians. And
Speaker 1: when you hear a baby cry, until you look at
Speaker 1: that baby, you don't know what their race or ethnicity is.
Speaker 1: All you know is that you're hearing a baby cry.
Speaker 2: You have a new worker power organization called Somebody.
Speaker 1: We are somebody.
Speaker 2: I came in here with four of them, would never
Speaker 2: put them down.
Speaker 1: Well, we are somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So workers' rights should be codified into legislation, strike without fear,
Speaker 5: rebuild the middle class.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Unions do matter. One job should be enough to
Speaker 1: one job should be enough people working. I remember when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, an extra job was an extra job, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But now an extra job is mandatory because of the
Speaker 1: way the economy is rocking. You know, Seeing the End
Speaker 1: did a poll and they basically ask people, you know,
Speaker 1: how you feeling about the economy In twenty twenty at
Speaker 1: the height of COVID, people you know, were saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm feeling pretty good. Twenty twenty three, they're
Speaker 1: not feeling good. And you know why they're not feeling
Speaker 1: good despite what the economic indicators say. They're not feeling
Speaker 1: good because those safety net measures that we did during
Speaker 1: COVID take it away. They're gone. So people are not
Speaker 1: feeling good about the economy right now. Working class people,
Speaker 1: and I mean all working class people from all strata.
Speaker 1: Some people may be in the six figure range and
Speaker 1: some people may be, you know, just barely making it.
Speaker 1: But baby, we all working class unless you got a
Speaker 1: sugar mama or sugar daddy or sugar somebody. And I
Speaker 1: don't mind having that, you know.
Speaker 2: Some day just put that out there.
Speaker 1: But I'm a working woman and I'm blessed. But working
Speaker 1: class people got to come together, and that's what we
Speaker 1: are Somebody is about. It is a capacity building organization
Speaker 1: for working class people, whether they're unionized or not, because
Speaker 1: people deserve to live a good life, and you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to be ultra wealthy to live a good life.
Speaker 2: Are you pushing to change things like the forty all work.
Speaker 1: Week forty our work. We get a Friday's off working
Speaker 1: with a group one fair wage ran by an extraordinary
Speaker 1: young woman. First name is sarru. I hope to get
Speaker 1: her on the breakfast club, but she is. Her organization is.
Speaker 1: Next year there'll be thirteen states that they target. Five
Speaker 1: of those states will have valid initiatives. The others of
Speaker 1: the states will have legislative initiatives, and that is to
Speaker 1: do away with the sub minimum wage. I don't think
Speaker 1: people understand the history of the sub minimum wage is
Speaker 1: really to mess over black women. Bring you them where
Speaker 1: that industry said black women theywn deserve to be paid,
Speaker 1: let them get tips. So now you gotta get your
Speaker 1: money based on the largest of somebody that's coming into
Speaker 1: the restaurant. And one thing that Syrue said, what they
Speaker 1: meant for evil for black women, now reverberate to everybody,
Speaker 1: because now everybody in that industry submit and wage. The
Speaker 1: average wages about two dollars and some change. You may
Speaker 1: live in a state where it might be a little higher.
Speaker 1: But every time we go to a restaurant, those people
Speaker 1: who are serving us our meals are depending on us
Speaker 1: to give them a tip to supplement their wages. And
Speaker 1: that should not be. So that's one example of a
Speaker 1: project that we are. Somebody's going to work on the
Speaker 1: legislative side, because if you change legislation, helping unions is
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. It only helps those members, and that's good.
Speaker 1: If we want to enlarge that territory, then we got
Speaker 1: to do ballot initiatives because laws do matter, and put
Speaker 1: laws in place that do away with the sub minimum wage.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine somebody as hard as some people working
Speaker 1: only making two dollars and some change. That's crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: and I cannot believe we're still talking about this in
Speaker 1: the twenty first century. Those are the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that you know, President Joseph ar Biden and this Congress
Speaker 1: could be doing. When they had the opportunity to increase
Speaker 1: the federal minium wage from seven dollars and twenty five cents,
Speaker 1: they decided not to. You remember, they did a hard
Speaker 1: pass and they blamed it on the parliamentarian. They could
Speaker 1: have done that. That's when the Democrats controlled both chambers
Speaker 1: and they didn't. They didn't do that. The Proact didn't
Speaker 1: do that. George Floyd didn't do that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was gonna say, so you talked about
Speaker 4: the safety net, right, and with the safety net during COVID,
Speaker 4: there was I mean, of course they were given they
Speaker 4: were helping people out with their whether it was car
Speaker 4: loan or mortgage or whatever it may.
Speaker 1: Be, the PPP long PPP loans.
Speaker 3: What will help people now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Because you look at people losing their jobs. I was
Speaker 4: telling Sheloman earlier one of the gaming companies just had
Speaker 4: to get rid of eleven hundred people. Spotify just had
Speaker 4: to get rid of people. So many people are losing
Speaker 4: their jobs. Interest rates are at all time How people
Speaker 4: can't buy houses or automobiles?
Speaker 3: When you look at food, food costs through the roof.
Speaker 4: If you ever look at a price of eggs or
Speaker 4: some orange juice, or you're just normal things that people
Speaker 4: would need to survive as expensive as ish?
Speaker 3: What would how do people? What will people have to survive?
Speaker 4: You already said that people are not getting paid in
Speaker 4: the forty hour work week.
Speaker 3: So what can be done?
Speaker 4: And is that the reason why people are looking for
Speaker 4: Trump and not buying because they feel like Trump are
Speaker 4: sent out some more checks with his name on it
Speaker 4: or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: Is that some of that reason I'm gonna be flipped
Speaker 1: for a minute. Poor people don't need eggs. They don't
Speaker 1: get to eat eggs, you know. I mean that's basically
Speaker 1: what is coming down to. Eggs costs more than chicken wings.
Speaker 1: Material conditions that people have to change the motive. People
Speaker 1: vote when they hopeful and they ain't got nothing to
Speaker 1: hope for it, They're not gonna go out and vote
Speaker 1: what I believe. See, this is not about Trump, and
Speaker 1: so this Trump derangement syndromas is blowing my mind. This
Speaker 1: is more about who has the power right now and
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do about it. Yeah, you gonna keep
Speaker 1: bringing up Trump, but Trump ain't been in office for
Speaker 1: the last almost four years. So it really is up
Speaker 1: to this administration and this Congress, Democrats and Republicans. We
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let them Republicans off the hook for them.
Speaker 1: They done showed themselves be just outright just just totally
Speaker 1: lost their minds. But if we put them in the
Speaker 1: parking lot, what substance things are Democrats doing other than
Speaker 1: blaming Trump and telling people, oh my god, if you
Speaker 1: vote for Trump in twenty twenty four is gonna be
Speaker 1: the worst thing ever. People living in worse times right
Speaker 1: now in this particular moment, did you asked me what
Speaker 1: would be some of the fixes. First of all, this
Speaker 1: Congress could restore the enhanced child tax credit that lifted
Speaker 1: millions of children out of poverty. We lifted them out
Speaker 1: of poverty, only to catapult them right back into poverty.
Speaker 1: What sense does that make? It makes no s since whatsoever.
Speaker 1: They could pass the pro Act so that workers can
Speaker 1: organize without being retaliated against by the man or the
Speaker 1: woman that runs the company store. They could do those things.
Speaker 1: They could cancel all student debt right now. Again, the
Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary said, we got enough money for two wars.
Speaker 1: Where there's a war brewing right hair in America against
Speaker 1: everyday working class people. We need a social contract, We
Speaker 1: need a humanitarian way, a human rights economy. And that's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that I do at the New
Speaker 1: School as a senior fellow, shout out to doctor Derrek Hamilton.
Speaker 1: We need a human rights economy. And in that human
Speaker 1: rights economy, it said that there are some basic things
Speaker 1: that everybody should have. Health Care is another one. DJ.
Speaker 1: If everybody had health care and it wasn't commodified, it
Speaker 1: wasn't tied to a job, people would do all kinds
Speaker 1: of creative things, but they can't because it's tied to
Speaker 1: a job, underinsured and uninsured, So those are things. Inject
Speaker 1: that money into the economy domestically and give people the
Speaker 1: freedom of mind and body and soul and spirit that
Speaker 1: they need and deserve.
Speaker 5: I know you you talked about the middle class catching hell,
Speaker 5: you talked about hopelessness right now. A lot of times
Speaker 5: with me, I feel like when I have the political
Speaker 5: conversations like this and voting, I have friends right now
Speaker 5: they're saying they're not going to vote at all because
Speaker 5: they're in that space that you're talking about. What do
Speaker 5: you think is like the best thing for people? Like
Speaker 5: how do you put that aside? And I mean, I
Speaker 5: know what, it logically makes sense, like we need to
Speaker 5: be able to get out vote, change the world and
Speaker 5: all that, But the people that you're talking about, it
Speaker 5: goes over their heads, like they don't feel like if
Speaker 5: I vote, something's going to change. They're just tired of
Speaker 5: what they're going through right now. What do you say
Speaker 5: to those people? How do those people get that hope
Speaker 5: back to feel like if we do this, things will
Speaker 5: change local level, federal levels.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I get that, Lord, I'm not one of
Speaker 1: those politicians that say, you know, you don't have a right.
Speaker 1: People have a right to feel the way that they feel.
Speaker 1: But I would say you got to vote. Mad as hell,
Speaker 1: still gotta vote. Everybody should vote. But this is especially
Speaker 1: for black people. People literally died, and we are so
Speaker 1: far removed from that generation. We don't teach it enough.
Speaker 1: You know, Desantans don't want it taught at all, But
Speaker 1: that don't stop us from going into our black churches
Speaker 1: and doing it anyway. People literally die for it now,
Speaker 1: a lot of people because tesling, you know, would say, well,
Speaker 1: people don't want to hear that that they die, but
Speaker 1: they did. People died. And what she means by that
Speaker 1: is sometimes that's not enough. And that's what you're saying too, Lauren.
Speaker 1: You gotta be in it to win it. The game
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's either gonna happen to you or through you. Right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen to you or through you. It can
Speaker 1: happen through you. By you getting out there to vote,
Speaker 1: you can have a lot of impact on local elections,
Speaker 1: probably even more so than the federal level. But all
Speaker 1: elections matter. There's no such thing as an off year election.
Speaker 1: So people mad as hell. I get it, but you
Speaker 1: still need to go vote. But voting is just one
Speaker 1: part of the process. You know, when our four parents
Speaker 1: are fighting for the vote, they understood how pivotal it
Speaker 1: will to give black people voice into who could represent them.
Speaker 1: That's just one part. We now have to take that
Speaker 1: to the next level and say, not only do you
Speaker 1: have to vote, but you got to hold these people accountable.
Speaker 1: You got to keep the score. And if they not
Speaker 1: doing what they told you they were gonna do, damn
Speaker 1: lesser of the two evils. Hey, I'm just gonna find
Speaker 1: me another candidaten't vote because, as Big Mama will say,
Speaker 1: I can show you better than I can tell you.
Speaker 1: They just got to stop accepting it. So I get
Speaker 1: the frustration. Voting is just one part of making the
Speaker 1: change or being the change in your community. You got
Speaker 1: to be actively involved all the time because justice is
Speaker 1: not a destination, it is a journey. Too many people
Speaker 1: don't want to make a sacrifice. We ain't talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, boy being in a Montgomery bus boycott for
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty one days. We just asked Laurens, people,
Speaker 1: can't you just go to the poll and vote. That's
Speaker 1: all we ask. We ain't got them kind of auction
Speaker 1: block problems that our ancestors had, So why can't you
Speaker 1: vote and be mad?
Speaker 2: Well, what if the I agree with everything you're saying,
Speaker 2: But what if those people say, you know what, you're right,
Speaker 2: but I want to vote conservative?
Speaker 1: Vote anyway they want, which is that? Go however they want?
Speaker 1: Because again I believe politicians need to earn the vote.
Speaker 1: We have conservative black people and I ain't mad at it.
Speaker 1: You don't put all your eggs in one basket. We
Speaker 1: got liberal black people. I'm a little mad at that
Speaker 1: because I think the black bourgeois z or black moderates
Speaker 1: are part of the reason that black people are catching hell.
Speaker 1: And I'm writing I write a book about that charlot.
Speaker 1: They get on mine too, the data ones. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the white liberal, but we
Speaker 1: don't talk about the black folks. Is standing in the
Speaker 1: way of black liberation. Why isn't the black caucaus the
Speaker 1: main people down there saying where is black people die
Speaker 1: a higher rates? Where's the universal health care? What are
Speaker 1: they doing now? I ain't talking about individual Black caucus members,
Speaker 1: and they can bring me to smoke if they won't,
Speaker 1: because I'll bring it back to them. But where is
Speaker 1: that moral conscious It was a time when the Congressional
Speaker 1: Black Caucus was the moral consciousness of the Congress. But
Speaker 1: when you go to their little things, hell, they bought
Speaker 1: and paid for too, sponsored by, sponsored by, sponsored by,
Speaker 1: So people should be able to vote for oh, they
Speaker 1: vote too. As long as they vote. Now, it's my
Speaker 1: job if I want you to vote for me, is
Speaker 1: to try to convince you to do that. Now, it's
Speaker 1: a lot harder. What I'm saying is easier said than done,
Speaker 1: because then big money will come in right and tank
Speaker 1: the whole process. We get that, But ultimately, I, as
Speaker 1: a politician or a public servant, have a role to
Speaker 1: play in that. So vote forever they want to vote for.
Speaker 1: Just go vote.
Speaker 2: And you say you writing a book about.
Speaker 1: Oh, about how the black moderate is the biggest threat
Speaker 1: to black liberation. Damn oh yeah, more than the white liberal.
Speaker 1: Because you know, Minister Malcolm X warned us about the
Speaker 1: white liberal. Doctor King warned us about the about the
Speaker 1: white liberal. But we have done very little study about
Speaker 1: the impact of black moderates on Black liberation. I'm coming
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: Why do you think they are stopping progress so much.
Speaker 1: Because they stand in the way Black faces and high places.
Speaker 1: They ain't standing up for nothing, and they give people
Speaker 1: shields to not do enough for black people. If you
Speaker 1: ain't standing up for your own people. Being the one
Speaker 1: that's preaching, preach, preaching, it's so giddy about being in
Speaker 1: the damn room. They forgot why they're in there. Titles
Speaker 1: are good, but purpose is better. We need purpose driven
Speaker 1: people in those rooms, especially black because when and the
Speaker 1: onus is not just on black people, but when we move,
Speaker 1: foundations shape the world shakes and shapes. It changes. Civil
Speaker 1: rights movement just one of many examples of how when
Speaker 1: we move in a way that has an eye towards
Speaker 1: justice in all of its forms, everybody gets it. We
Speaker 1: got the move especially us, not only us, but especially us.
Speaker 1: And if you see black people languages, if you see
Speaker 1: a legal system that sees only black people because of
Speaker 1: justice over there that y'all got over there, on that
Speaker 1: she ain't blind. She see us all the damn time.
Speaker 1: When you have a system that barrels down on one
Speaker 1: group of people disproportionately than anybody else, somebody to say
Speaker 1: this ain't right. And if the Congressional Black Caucus won't
Speaker 1: say this ain't right. Why didn't you pass to George
Speaker 1: Floyd police and act this ain't right? Why didn't the
Speaker 1: John Lewis Voting Rights law pass? Or why didn't you
Speaker 1: Why wasn't y'all on table? See I'll get on the table,
Speaker 1: but I want people to think this family show. But
Speaker 1: you know why, why aren't you doing those things? Why
Speaker 1: you ain't say gas up yet? Why didn't you stare
Speaker 1: the shadow president down Joe Manchin and saying that hell
Speaker 1: to the gnaw, you not gonna do it a way with
Speaker 1: a hands child tax credit. I got too many poor
Speaker 1: people and struggling people in my district. The moral consciousness
Speaker 1: is lost, and that is what is happening. And they
Speaker 1: try to guilt people in the voting for the people.
Speaker 1: I ain't here to guilt you to vote for nobody
Speaker 1: because I tell you what, if they not delivered, they
Speaker 1: got the power. I got two toddlers in my life,
Speaker 1: and I have higher expectations of them than we do
Speaker 1: with these politicians. Oh, they didn't have enough of a majority,
Speaker 1: But that ain't what y'all said. When y'all was running
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty you said give you the majority, you
Speaker 1: was gonna make some things happen, and you didn't. What
Speaker 1: are you willing to give up? I think a lot
Speaker 1: of politicians, especially when lives and liveshoods are at stake,
Speaker 1: you need to run like you're only gonna get one turn.
Speaker 1: And baby, if I was running for president and I
Speaker 1: got it, I'll be up in that piece like, hey,
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna put me back in here. But I
Speaker 1: tell you what they gonna know, Nina Turner, what's here?
Speaker 2: And that's all we want somebody to.
Speaker 5: Different. They running relax right now, They running real lax right.
Speaker 2: Now, And that's all we want somebody to fight. And
Speaker 2: those same black moderates, it will be like, ah, yes,
Speaker 2: it's Congress, it's Congress, it's Congress. Congress will give Congress hell.
Speaker 2: At least give Congress hell on behalf of the people.
Speaker 2: But I know one thing that damn Trump say what
Speaker 2: you want. He gonna give hit people hell if they
Speaker 2: don't do his big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he let it be known. I mean the
Speaker 1: difference between him is covert and overt. You know, these
Speaker 1: other politics, they do it covertly. They want to be
Speaker 1: They gonna come back in some folks. They gonna seek retribution.
Speaker 1: Trust me, I've been in the holies and holy but Trump,
Speaker 1: make it plain. I'm coming for you. So now, difference
Speaker 1: between the fox and the wolf. I know how to
Speaker 1: deal with the wolf because you just told me exactly
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do in lieud the Fox. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: Trump a neo fascist. Is fascism dangerous? Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: difference between knowing that you got ten hours worth of
Speaker 1: oxygen and not knowing at all. Maybe if I know,
Speaker 1: I might be able to survive. So we gotta deal
Speaker 1: with neo fascism. But don't forget neo liberalism, meaning keeping
Speaker 1: the status quo breeds neo fascism. And so my party,
Speaker 1: the Democrats, have to run like Trump is a clear
Speaker 1: present danger and not put the onus on the voters
Speaker 1: and not try to and don't y'all come in here
Speaker 1: shaming black people when what's gonna go down in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty because we gonna warrn you, And don't put it
Speaker 1: on us because we vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, come hill
Speaker 1: of high water, whether they do anything for us or
Speaker 1: our children, our children's children. And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: right either, we need to change that. But don't blame us.
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing. We're not telling Biden not
Speaker 2: to run because he losing the black vote. He's losing
Speaker 2: the vote people.
Speaker 1: The polls show every most Americans do not want to
Speaker 1: see a rematch between these two presidents. But yetting still
Speaker 1: they not doing what we asked. Other leaders would bubble
Speaker 1: up to the top if they had space to do so.
Speaker 1: But when you are within the machine, so learn if
Speaker 1: you were you know, so Biden said, you decide you
Speaker 1: want to run, If you run, then they gonna remember that,
Speaker 1: see and then when it comes twenty twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: they're gonna punish you for challenging. So that's why you
Speaker 1: have people like Newsome and some of these other you
Speaker 1: know governors. And don't get me wrong, they're not the
Speaker 1: only ones that's qualified to run. I'm just naming them
Speaker 1: because in the trajectory of things, people really see, oh,
Speaker 1: if they're a governor or you a senator, they should
Speaker 1: be the one running. If they stepped out there to
Speaker 1: run right now, then it's gonna be retribution against them
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight eight, we might not have a democracy.
Speaker 1: I know that we might elections. Hell, the world might
Speaker 1: not be here. That's another reason why we need to
Speaker 1: go for peace. There is a ripple effect. Those of
Speaker 1: you who played Domino, you understand how when the dominoes fall,
Speaker 1: they fall. What's happening in the Middle East is happening
Speaker 1: over here. In other words, none of us are going
Speaker 1: to escape what is happening in the Middle East or
Speaker 1: you crane. So let's talk about the continent of Africa.
Speaker 1: What's happening in the condo. See, we don't talk about that,
Speaker 1: what's happening in Haiti. All of that has a ripple
Speaker 1: effect on each and every one of us. So that's
Speaker 1: why I want peace. Peace ain't soft, piece is strong.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot to want to have peace. I
Speaker 1: want peace so I can have some Peacebody. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you for I can listen to talk all day. Thank you, Lauren.
Speaker 1: And I am going to go on your website and
Speaker 1: get some of it so I can.
Speaker 3: Must you have to change your whole wardrobe.
Speaker 1: I d oh, my God, DJ, but it was a
Speaker 1: good it was a good Tell you baby. Can I
Speaker 1: tell you how much I love you God? And I
Speaker 1: feel that and I know that I got this Charlemagne
Speaker 1: DJ Lauren, I mean you you create space for black people,
Speaker 1: but I want to say, particularly create space for black
Speaker 1: women of all ages and all stages. And I love
Speaker 1: you for that. And I got to shout out my
Speaker 1: my one of my advisors, Tansling Theero, she do it, don't.
Speaker 1: But I just love y'all so much. I love our people,
Speaker 1: I love all people. I love Black people, And the
Speaker 1: reason why I want to see people lifted because I
Speaker 1: want people to be able to live a good life.
Speaker 1: I think everybody should be entitled to do that. Systems
Speaker 1: can change, policies can change, and we got to make
Speaker 1: sure it happens. So nothing butlove, Happy holidays.
Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.