Speaker 1: Hey everyone, thanks for joining us on Table for two.
Speaker 1: We've done twenty five incredible interviews this year with some
Speaker 1: of the world's most fascinating people. We've shared delicious food,
Speaker 1: intimate stories, and a few glasses of rose at wonderful
Speaker 1: restaurants in LA and New York. Today, we're looking back
Speaker 1: at some of the best moments from the first season
Speaker 1: of the podcast. When we come together for a meal
Speaker 1: with our guest, our conversations naturally drift towards some of
Speaker 1: the same big topics their lives growing up, harnessing creativity,
Speaker 1: and how they broke through to success. So if it's
Speaker 1: lunchtime where you are, grab something to eat and of
Speaker 1: course a glass of rose, and enjoy some highlights from
Speaker 1: our first season. We'll be back soon with even more
Speaker 1: interviews and great meals. I'm Bruce Bosi and this is
Speaker 1: my podcast Table for Two. We've had some fantastic interviews
Speaker 1: this year, and we've sat down for lunch with everyone
Speaker 1: from Mindy Kaling to Jon bon Jovi.
Speaker 2: To Sienna Miller. Are you going to take that home?
Speaker 2: I mean you kind of should. Protein is protein?
Speaker 3: I feel like I can't leave the Sunset Tower with
Speaker 3: a doggy back from this, I feel like it's not
Speaker 3: a good look.
Speaker 2: Although I would I would do that if you weren't here.
Speaker 1: When you're up there and you are looking at eighty
Speaker 1: thousand people, what are you looking at?
Speaker 2: Numbers never mattered to me. I wanted to be great
Speaker 2: for fifteen or fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: I always just wanted to be the best I could
Speaker 1: possibly be in a club.
Speaker 2: I wanted to kill you in a stadium.
Speaker 3: I still want to kill you.
Speaker 2: You heard the one who said maybe some people were
Speaker 2: just douchebacks. I thought it was. I knew I loved
Speaker 2: you at that moment. I said, Oh, he's my friend forever. Today,
Speaker 2: today we're here your career, a very nice restaurant that
Speaker 2: you love it too. Oh my goodness, I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean the minute I said I was having lunch
Speaker 1: with the way to Michael is.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, yeah, I come here all the time.
Speaker 2: The food is really good.
Speaker 1: Now I call you the brad Pit of American historian,
Speaker 1: just like we are sitting with Doug Brinkley, the brad
Speaker 1: of American Historians.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm a problem solver.
Speaker 2: You are a problem.
Speaker 5: So I'm a person that gets that stuff off my desk.
Speaker 5: If someone's doing something that's just bullshit.
Speaker 4: I'm like the person that calls bullshit. Right, we are
Speaker 4: very close.
Speaker 2: We were all sixteen eighteen months apart.
Speaker 6: Five sets of.
Speaker 7: Hot curlers, five sets.
Speaker 8: Of you know what I mean, boxes of Tampa everywhere,
Speaker 8: like our whole house with curlers and tampas and penny hugs.
Speaker 2: Curlers, cracks. That's them. That's the namore.
Speaker 1: I always say in the advocacy work that I do.
Speaker 4: Now, you have to wake up every day optimistic.
Speaker 9: Because we're going to have a lot of downtime and
Speaker 9: a lot of downturns and a lot of nose that
Speaker 9: you have to just keep pushing forward.
Speaker 10: There's just a little bandstand and kind of a guest
Speaker 10: house at Ringos. They're celebrating the birthday and suddenly there's
Speaker 10: David Gilmour, Eric Clapton, Don Henley, Glen Fry, Joe Walsh,
Speaker 10: Paul McCartney and Palm Tried and grabs the mike and
Speaker 10: says and we're naming this band the Beagles.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: There's something I read that you said, which is what
Speaker 1: this is all about, and I'm gonna read it. It's abbreviated,
Speaker 1: but you said happiness to me is good conversation.
Speaker 5: And lots of laughter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we're having today, right. I usually have
Speaker 4: that with you anytime I see it.
Speaker 11: We do because you like to be Pete On from
Speaker 11: Morris Kennedy.
Speaker 2: We don't know about that.
Speaker 6: What do you mean?
Speaker 12: He goes, well, you're wearing a yellow bandana.
Speaker 2: That that means you like to be Pete On? Ricardo,
Speaker 2: We are done.
Speaker 1: He has dipped and dunked his bread into my post box.
Speaker 2: You have to come to yees so you can get
Speaker 2: the table.
Speaker 1: No, did you hear that he has to come to
Speaker 1: dinner so we get a table?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 12: Are you having a rose?
Speaker 11: God?
Speaker 4: How divine? I love you having lunch every.
Speaker 1: Single day, which means now we're going to be a
Speaker 1: couple of so you know.
Speaker 4: It is on.
Speaker 1: Let's dive into some longer stories as well. Our guest
Speaker 1: early experiences are pivotal to the actors, writers, and designers
Speaker 1: they've become. In this section, we'll hear from Matthew Broderick,
Speaker 1: John Ham, Chelsea Handler, and Rita Wilson. What was it
Speaker 1: like growing up in New York City? Your kid in
Speaker 1: New York which was different, you know than it is
Speaker 1: now for your kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure was. Let's see. I grew up on
Speaker 2: Washington Square North. I know, I can't believe them.
Speaker 1: I always think of you when I passed by that street.
Speaker 1: It's a series of brownstone.
Speaker 13: Yeah, we were in the one not brown zone, the
Speaker 13: one like apartment shabby apartment building on that block.
Speaker 2: It was us.
Speaker 13: But I was born on Ninth Street and Fifth Avenue
Speaker 13: in a very small apartment with my two We were
Speaker 13: all in one room, me and my two sisters.
Speaker 2: Wow, you were born in No, I was born in
Speaker 2: the hospital, I say.
Speaker 13: But I was taken in my blanket to Ninth Street
Speaker 13: until I was four, and then I moved. The big
Speaker 13: move was to Washington was two blocks down Fifth and Uh.
Speaker 2: Then we had our own bedroom. So that's where I
Speaker 2: really grew up. The village was the park was. There
Speaker 2: was bongos and drums all day.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 13: We had some windows facing the park. There was a
Speaker 13: lot of music all the time. There was less like rules.
Speaker 2: It was opened. All my stuff was going crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't.
Speaker 1: And because you faced the park when it got dark,
Speaker 1: it was dark on the other side. It's like normally
Speaker 1: there's two sides of the street that have lights, so
Speaker 1: could get a little dicey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Did you get mugged?
Speaker 13: I got mugged often all through the village. I mugged
Speaker 13: all over the village. Really en Times Square area. Come
Speaker 13: on Upper West Side.
Speaker 1: Explain to the listener, because I got mugged once on
Speaker 1: Third Avenue and they were like, we're going to shove
Speaker 1: your head through this like window, give us when I
Speaker 1: have like five bucks.
Speaker 13: It was like nineteen I never had any money and
Speaker 13: people will constantly wanted it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what was the target over you that you
Speaker 1: think that you were constantly getting mugged?
Speaker 13: I think a young guy, you know, this is like
Speaker 13: I'm talking like twelve, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when an absolutee me too.
Speaker 13: And it was mostly other boys, you know, just being
Speaker 13: bullies and you know, getting money, you know, lunch money
Speaker 13: or something like that, but sometimes somewhat scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: You know, me and my friend Garo were skateboarding in
Speaker 13: Central Park once and a massive gang came flying out
Speaker 13: and took our skateboards and I got whacked in the
Speaker 13: head with a some sort of stick. That's the only
Speaker 13: time I got kind of worked, so you know, it
Speaker 13: was no not a joke and thank god, you know,
Speaker 13: we all survived it. But but and most of them
Speaker 13: were not like that. They were more intimidating.
Speaker 2: I'm going to put your head through the glass, you know,
Speaker 2: give me what you got.
Speaker 13: Or you get on the subway and somebody would sit
Speaker 13: next to you and put their arm around you rather
Speaker 13: aggressively and say, you know, what's in your pocket?
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 4: Where?
Speaker 2: You know, just be like asking you a lot of questions.
Speaker 13: Yeah, just waiting praying for the train to come out
Speaker 13: of the tunnel on the platform.
Speaker 2: You know, I still remember that.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think a skill set is born
Speaker 1: from being a kid in New York? Your parents are not.
Speaker 1: They're doing their thing, they trust the world, and you're surviving.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 13: Yeah, back then they weren't as at least it didn't
Speaker 13: feel like it. They weren't as watchful as we are
Speaker 13: to our kids.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no, they would not watch for at all
Speaker 2: this speeches.
Speaker 13: Yeah, they were kind of like, I'd love to go
Speaker 13: to the park and come back in time for dinner,
Speaker 13: and that was it.
Speaker 1: Would you even come back and say I was mugged
Speaker 1: today on the subway or just once or twice.
Speaker 13: Yeah, sometimes like a police officer would come to our
Speaker 13: school and give us a talk. You know, how to
Speaker 13: react properly when you're being muggled, right, And he said,
Speaker 13: always bring money with you. Don't go out with no
Speaker 13: money and immediately give it up. And try to make
Speaker 13: the experience.
Speaker 2: As fast as possible.
Speaker 13: More time you're haggling or discussing, more time you're in
Speaker 13: the situation the worst.
Speaker 2: I always remembered that, try to have it.
Speaker 13: That's a good conclusion, even if the conclusion is your
Speaker 13: own death.
Speaker 2: Do it as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: When I was thinking about you, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: did you ever have your heart broken in Yeah?
Speaker 14: For sure. Everybody has a version of whatever pain to
Speaker 14: go through in life. And I didn't grow up a
Speaker 14: lot of money. I grew up with very little money.
Speaker 14: In fact, I was raised until I was ten years
Speaker 14: old by my mom as a single mom. She was
Speaker 14: got divorced when I was a little kid, and then
Speaker 14: she died when I was ten, and so then I
Speaker 14: had to go live with my dad, who was a
Speaker 14: great guy, but not a well not didn't have the
Speaker 14: capacity to kind of raise a kid. So then I
Speaker 14: was raised by the community, and that was the school
Speaker 14: that I went to. So there was a lot of
Speaker 14: like you know, kind of whatever emotions and experiences to
Speaker 14: unpack from from just that over the course of a
Speaker 14: lifetime being raised by a single mom and an only
Speaker 14: being an only child. I had two half sisters, but
Speaker 14: they were out of the picture when I was. When
Speaker 14: I was being raised by my mom, the world was opportunity,
Speaker 14: you know. So it was like, go find a book,
Speaker 14: go to the library. So I would go to the
Speaker 14: library and I'd go check out LPs of comedy things
Speaker 14: and I would go get Cheech and Chong and I
Speaker 14: would go get Bob Newhart and I would go get
Speaker 14: Richard Pryor and w And it was really wildly inappropriate,
Speaker 14: most of them for a seven year old, eight year old,
Speaker 14: but it was something to do right, and my mom
Speaker 14: was and it was free. Those are the other things.
Speaker 14: So it was like I was dependent upon the community,
Speaker 14: whether it was cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, whether it was
Speaker 14: community athletics. You know, you only had to pay nine
Speaker 14: dollars and I could play soccer for a season, and
Speaker 14: you know that included your uniform and all the other
Speaker 14: stuff that made you feel like you were good, and
Speaker 14: the coach was some divorced dad who didn't anything else
Speaker 14: to do, and you know, you weren't exactly training to
Speaker 14: be a professional soccer player, but it was something to do.
Speaker 14: So those are the kinds of things that I gravitated toward.
Speaker 14: And then my mom would put me in art classes
Speaker 14: and she'd put me in acting classes because she knew
Speaker 14: it was something to do, that I wouldn't have fun
Speaker 14: with it, that I could meet other kids, and that
Speaker 14: I would be you know, and then she could then
Speaker 14: go to work. She had to work, you know, from
Speaker 14: nine to five every day. She was the secretary, and
Speaker 14: so that was like that was again, and that idea
Speaker 14: of like in local parentics, like that, I was taken
Speaker 14: care of by the community, which is why when I
Speaker 14: talk about how much a hometown kid I.
Speaker 2: Am, so why get back.
Speaker 8: I went to LA when I was nineteen. I tried
Speaker 8: to go to college for like a semester after high school,
Speaker 8: which was a community college in New Jersey, and I studied,
Speaker 8: ironically Russian history. I don't know what I was thinking
Speaker 8: or talking about. I was like filling a box of
Speaker 8: time because I was like, what am I going to
Speaker 8: do with my life. I'm not going to go to
Speaker 8: college really, but we thought maybe I should start because
Speaker 8: I was eighteen and graduated from high school. And I
Speaker 8: think I just stayed in Marstown because I was dating
Speaker 8: this guy who lived in Marstown and so that was like,
Speaker 8: probably the real reason I stayed was because he was
Speaker 8: really hot. Yeah, but we weren't, you know.
Speaker 4: That wasn't why I stayed for the beauty of Morristown.
Speaker 8: Then we broke up and I was like, what am
Speaker 8: I doing in New Jersey. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 8: I always wanted to move to Los Angeles. I had
Speaker 8: an aunt and uncle who lived in bel Air. The
Speaker 8: first time I had come to Los Angeles, I was
Speaker 8: like ten years old and we came to visit my
Speaker 8: aunt and my mom's sister and we got on an
Speaker 8: airplane and it was the first time I had flown.
Speaker 8: I was like ten, and we walked past the first
Speaker 8: class section and I was like, well, whoa who are
Speaker 8: these people like? This looks like this looks like my group.
Speaker 8: And my mom was like, no, no, honey, we have
Speaker 8: six children, like, we're never flying first class. This is
Speaker 8: a different section of the plane. And I was like, well,
Speaker 8: I don't know about that, Like I feel like I
Speaker 8: belonged there. So we went back, and then two years
Speaker 8: later I had my second plane trip. But I had
Speaker 8: become a babysitter in between ten and twelve, and I
Speaker 8: saved up my money and I purchased my own first
Speaker 8: class ticket from a neighbor down the street who is
Speaker 8: my friend's mom, who happened to be a travel agent.
Speaker 8: And then the next flight we took as a family
Speaker 8: with my mom and I had two brothers with me
Speaker 8: who were all older.
Speaker 4: I'm the youngest.
Speaker 8: We get on the plane and it was my grandfather's
Speaker 8: funeral he had died, and we're flying to California, and
Speaker 8: two A was my seat and I fucking flopped down
Speaker 8: and I was like, hey, I will see you guys
Speaker 8: at the end of the fight. And my mom was like,
Speaker 8: what are you doing, Chelsea?
Speaker 12: Get up.
Speaker 8: I'm like, this is my ticket.
Speaker 4: I purchased it.
Speaker 8: And my older brother's like, oh my god, are you
Speaker 8: kidding me? He said, you have to give that seat
Speaker 8: to mom. I'm like, no, I don't.
Speaker 6: I purchased this. This is my earned money.
Speaker 8: Like a mom can sit in the back of the
Speaker 8: plane where she's like that's fine with her.
Speaker 6: This is where I belong. Laurel Canyon, for many people
Speaker 6: was a literal place but also a metaphorical place, and
Speaker 6: for me it was the same thing. I knew that
Speaker 6: Carol King and Joni Mitchell and all these people that
Speaker 6: I loved were living up there. I have two stories
Speaker 6: about Laurel Canyon that are particular. Would you like to
Speaker 6: hear them?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 6: One is that in high school, Bobby Carodine, who was
Speaker 6: David Carodine's brother and he was an actor, also went
Speaker 6: to my high school. He was a little bit older
Speaker 6: than I was, I think, and he asked me on
Speaker 6: a date and he had a little Alpha Romeo, like
Speaker 6: a red sports car. So he said, let's go for
Speaker 6: a ride, you know, just drive around. And I think
Speaker 6: it was a school night, so it was pretty early,
Speaker 6: but we were driving around and he says, well, let's
Speaker 6: go up and visit my brother. Now his brother at
Speaker 6: the time was David Carodine and he was doing the
Speaker 6: series Kung Fu, remember that, So I said sure. At
Speaker 6: that time, I had eaten at home and he takes
Speaker 6: us up and David was married to Barbara Hershey, so
Speaker 6: they were like, okay, let's go see what my brother's doing.
Speaker 6: So we show up and they had a little baby.
Speaker 6: And the baby wasn't even walking, it was just a
Speaker 6: crawling baby. But it was Laurel Canyon. They were hippies,
Speaker 6: it was not. They had a big, huge, it was
Speaker 6: not the cleanest of kitchens, let's say. But the baby
Speaker 6: was on the floor and I took one look around
Speaker 6: and I was like, I'm not really like vibing with
Speaker 6: this whole, you know.
Speaker 2: Like not really clean vibe.
Speaker 6: So yeah, but the baby is there and so cute,
Speaker 6: and she's making some kind of dinner, and you know,
Speaker 6: we all sit down to eat, and they asked me
Speaker 6: if I wanted to eat, and I said no because
Speaker 6: I had just eaten at my parents, right, So I said,
Speaker 6: thank you very much. Would you like something to drink?
Speaker 6: And I said yes? What could they do to get
Speaker 6: something to drink? So she passes over a communal bowl
Speaker 6: of water.
Speaker 15: Oh, this is amazing, and so I did one of
Speaker 15: those fake things where you like pretend you're sipping, but
Speaker 15: you're really just like your lips are clothes, like you know,
Speaker 15: now during COVID, that wouldn't fly.
Speaker 6: The other Laurel Canyon story that's so great is two
Speaker 6: of my best friends growing up were Catholic and they
Speaker 6: went to a Catholic girls' school called Corvallis. It was
Speaker 6: on Laurel Canyon, just south of Ventura Boulevard. The building
Speaker 6: is still there, but it's not a girls school anymore.
Speaker 6: And one of their best friends there was Melanie Griffith.
Speaker 6: So I met Melanie when I was like sixteen or
Speaker 6: seventeen years old, right, and Melanie was dating Don Johnson
Speaker 6: at that time already and Don had a house in
Speaker 6: Laurel Canyon. So Melanie and Don were seeing each other
Speaker 6: and we were over there one day when it was cold.
Speaker 6: It was Don's house, but Melanie was still in high school.
Speaker 6: But it was also kind of random because she was
Speaker 6: still dating Don, so I don't know she lived at
Speaker 6: home or she lived with Donna's.
Speaker 2: Very it was very free love.
Speaker 6: Very free love.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So Melanie says to Don, Donnie, it's cold, can you
Speaker 6: light a fire? And he says, yeah, sure. So we
Speaker 6: girls are outside, we're doing something, we're laughing whatever. We
Speaker 6: hear some noise, We don't think much of it. We
Speaker 6: come back in and there's a gorgeous fire roaring in
Speaker 6: this Laurel Canyon cottage, and Melanie says, where'd you get
Speaker 6: the firewood? He says, I chopped up one of the chairs.
Speaker 10: What she did?
Speaker 6: He chopped up one of the dining room chairs.
Speaker 2: What was happening? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for our look back at the
Speaker 1: first season of Table for two. One thing that ties
Speaker 1: all my guests together is their ability to harness their
Speaker 1: creativity and turn it into beautiful work, whether it's on
Speaker 1: the page, on the runway, or on the screen. We've
Speaker 1: heard pieces of advice and insight into the creative process.
Speaker 1: In this section, we'll hear from Emily Blunt, Tom Ford,
Speaker 1: Anna Winter, and Octavier Spencer. Do you find being a
Speaker 1: mother being a professional person?
Speaker 16: It does and it doesn't, well, not always well, you know,
Speaker 16: it's one of those things when people like, how do
Speaker 16: you balance it? I never feel I'm doing it right,
Speaker 16: you know, But I'm this year, I'm not working.
Speaker 4: I just need to be.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I just need to I worked quite a bit
Speaker 16: last year and my oldest baby is nine. I were
Speaker 16: in the last year of single digits, and I just
Speaker 16: feel there's cornerstones to their day that are so important
Speaker 16: when they're little and it's you wake me up, will
Speaker 16: you take me to school, will you pick me up?
Speaker 16: Will you put me to bed? And I just need
Speaker 16: to be there for all of them for a good stretch,
Speaker 16: and I just felt that in my bones. I had
Speaker 16: a beautiful time on the.
Speaker 4: Projects I did last year.
Speaker 16: Some were more intense than others, some were harder than others,
Speaker 16: someone more time consuming than others. And the ones that
Speaker 16: are time consuming, I think for me are becoming few
Speaker 16: and further between because of just the emotional cost on me,
Speaker 16: on the kids. On balance, and I'm very prone to guilt,
Speaker 16: and I think maybe all mothers are. You're just prone
Speaker 16: to feeling bad for God forbid, wanting something outside of
Speaker 16: being a mother. I am a huge advocate for it.
Speaker 16: I'm a huge advocate for women being ambitious. I love
Speaker 16: the word ambition. It's just dreams with purpose. That's all
Speaker 16: it is. It's not another world, it is, That's what
Speaker 16: it is.
Speaker 2: That's what it means.
Speaker 16: And it's just and I want my kids to grow
Speaker 16: up and find something that they adore doing.
Speaker 1: And your kids watching you do something that you adore, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so important.
Speaker 4: It's so important.
Speaker 16: And of course they're just horrified by the fact that
Speaker 16: I'm an actress, which is sort of so embarrassed by
Speaker 16: and have no desire to watching me in anything, which
Speaker 16: is very healthy because they just want me to be
Speaker 16: their mum. So the balance is usually it sways in extremes,
Speaker 16: like I'll work too much and then I'll have like
Speaker 16: a complete reaction against it and an aversion to being
Speaker 16: on a film set for a long time, and then
Speaker 16: I'll want to desperately work again. So I don't know
Speaker 16: if I do it moderately.
Speaker 4: I think I just have these.
Speaker 16: Pulls towards it and against it.
Speaker 5: You know, I am a creative director. I am used
Speaker 5: to working with the very best people in fashion. Let's
Speaker 5: just say, let's start with fashion, the very best people.
Speaker 5: You have to have a vision. You have to know
Speaker 5: what you want to say as a fashion designer, but
Speaker 5: you have to lead and inspire this group of people.
Speaker 5: Fashion design I mean you assistant designers, seamstresses, hair and
Speaker 5: makeup people, lighting people.
Speaker 2: You have to get the best out of them.
Speaker 5: So you have to inspire them and you know, let
Speaker 5: them express themselves. But at the same time you have
Speaker 5: to sort of corralat ale and focus it into your vision,
Speaker 5: which is in my case somewhat singular. You know, fashion
Speaker 5: is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. And in the end,
Speaker 5: you know, if I design something is because that's exactly
Speaker 5: the way I want it. I've been called a control freak.
Speaker 5: I hate that word, but I think if my name
Speaker 5: is on something, it needs to be exactly the way. Sure,
Speaker 5: so yes, others somebody else can say maybe it should
Speaker 5: be like this, and I say, no, you should be
Speaker 5: like that, or yes, a great idea. So this the
Speaker 5: same is true with film. As a film director, it's
Speaker 5: the same process. You have to have a vision, you
Speaker 5: have to know what you want to say. You have
Speaker 5: to hire the best people, bring out the best in them,
Speaker 5: the best actors, the best cinematographer, of the best of everything.
Speaker 5: But yet you have to steer it all in a
Speaker 5: way that expresses your point of view and that you
Speaker 5: don't lose. So the process is not dissimilar. Also, the
Speaker 5: thing about fashion is we have people don't realize fashion
Speaker 5: designers have an enormous hard drive loaded with images from
Speaker 5: almost every film that's ever been made. You know, when
Speaker 5: we start a collection, we pull images from the twenties,
Speaker 5: the thirties, the forties, the fifties the sixties, and most
Speaker 5: of them are from film where they're from, you know,
Speaker 5: so we have a grasp on culture, contemporary culture, past
Speaker 5: culture that I don't think most people realize, and that's
Speaker 5: very helpful when you're making a film.
Speaker 1: My question really is with you know, having the job
Speaker 1: you do, which is the you know, chief content officer
Speaker 1: for Conde Nasy. You're so busy, how do you make
Speaker 1: time for friends to give advice to people?
Speaker 2: How does that come into your life in such a way.
Speaker 12: I'm so lucky that I have the platform that I do,
Speaker 12: and it does put me in a position to help
Speaker 12: people and to connect people, and.
Speaker 4: I get a huge.
Speaker 12: Amount of pleasure, whether it's working with my chiefs of
Speaker 12: content around the world or you or whoever it may be,
Speaker 12: in learning about their lives and what they're thinking and
Speaker 12: what they're doing and if there is any way that
Speaker 12: one can be helpful. I feel, you know, I had
Speaker 12: amazing people that helped me when I was.
Speaker 4: Starting out, and I think it's it doesn't require.
Speaker 12: Anything but one's time, and I think that's just so
Speaker 12: important to give when people are rushing so madly. And
Speaker 12: I also think, particularly right now, when things are so tough,
Speaker 12: and we've all come out of COVID and the world
Speaker 12: is in the state that it's in that to make
Speaker 12: time to help and connect people if one can is
Speaker 12: so important. I also think it's really really important to
Speaker 12: be focused, because you can't do everything and you can't
Speaker 12: help everyone, so you think about where you do have
Speaker 12: areas of expertise.
Speaker 4: Or you.
Speaker 12: Can put people in touch that will be meaningful. So
Speaker 12: I think being focused and being clear and also being
Speaker 12: transparent people respond to that. I've worked in my career
Speaker 12: within four people that maybe haven't necessarily been that clear,
Speaker 12: and it's incredibly frustrating. And I think as long as
Speaker 12: people know it's a yes or it's a no, or
Speaker 12: I can help you or I'm really sorry, I'd love
Speaker 12: to help you, but I'm not able to is better
Speaker 12: than pretending or faking. And so that's what I try
Speaker 12: as much as possible to do, because I have been
Speaker 12: at the other end when people have made promises or
Speaker 12: sort of not being clear and what they're saying or doing,
Speaker 12: and you just waste everybody's time.
Speaker 3: I think, especially given where we are with technology and
Speaker 3: social media, there are steps in the process. I think
Speaker 3: that people want to skip because it's about it's about
Speaker 3: fame sometimes and it's about being out there. Oh you know,
Speaker 3: no one has noticed me yet. And I think you
Speaker 3: have to be prepared because you don't know when that.
Speaker 4: Opportunity is going to come, so you have to study.
Speaker 3: And when you think about it, I remember my mom
Speaker 3: and it was the most practical advice she is ever
Speaker 3: given it, And it's just part of it's my mantle.
Speaker 3: You know, whenever you if you're the first job you
Speaker 3: ever get, if it's a fry cook, if it's a
Speaker 3: newspaper book, someone's going to train you on how to
Speaker 3: do it. This is how you sell your newspaper, This
Speaker 3: is how you cook my fries, whatever else it is,
Speaker 3: whatever field of study, you're going to.
Speaker 4: Have to train.
Speaker 3: And so take the time because if you're three years in,
Speaker 3: if you're fifteen years in, if you're one year in,
Speaker 3: if you don't have the comfort of training, that's your foundation.
Speaker 3: And if you don't have, you know, your your land legs.
Speaker 3: When that opportunity presents itself, it could mean failure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you don't build upon it, you don't
Speaker 1: have the you don't have the goods, you don't.
Speaker 2: Don't have the foundation.
Speaker 3: You have to have that foundation because whatever it is,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody feels like an imposter.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So if you haven't done the best to prepare for
Speaker 3: whatever it is, you can't go to You can't be
Speaker 3: a doctor without going to med school, right, what I mean,
Speaker 3: nobody's going to let you doctor on the.
Speaker 2: Right and full it does get off too exactly.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Table for two. Today, we're
Speaker 1: looking back at all the great interviews and meals we've
Speaker 1: shared this year. Almost every guest on the show has
Speaker 1: had an amazing story of making it big. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a realization that they've just gotten their breakthrough role or
Speaker 1: that they've been part of something that has had a
Speaker 1: huge cultural impact. Let's hear stories from our interviews with Robblo, Sarah,
Speaker 1: Jessica Parker, and Julia Roberts. With George Clooney, you know,
Speaker 1: your memoir really goes deep into the audition process and
Speaker 1: then the actual shooting process with Francis fort Gopolo, which
Speaker 1: is like crazy what he made you guys do, and
Speaker 1: like because that was like the first really big moment
Speaker 1: my first movie.
Speaker 2: That was your first movie.
Speaker 11: You've done, I've done, I've done a sitcom on ABC
Speaker 11: and I played like the teenager, the teenage Son, and
Speaker 11: it ran for like six episodes and was canceled. And
Speaker 11: then I've done some after school specials. If you remember
Speaker 11: those Wednesdays on yours.
Speaker 1: There was a big deal.
Speaker 2: It was a big one.
Speaker 11: But I'd never done a movie. And you know, sitcoms
Speaker 11: and after school specials are aut movies, and they're certainly
Speaker 11: not Francis for Copola now, and you know Coppola at
Speaker 11: that still one of our great filmmakers. Yeah, at that moment,
Speaker 11: he was you know, he was only a few years
Speaker 11: off of making Apocalypse Now, right, and you know, and
Speaker 11: of course got The Godfathers. And so here was this
Speaker 11: very very lauded, serious filmmaker doing a movie where all
Speaker 11: the roles are fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year olds, right, and
Speaker 11: you know, all the kid actors were like this, this
Speaker 11: is the it's the goal, the Willy Wonka Gold tickets
Speaker 11: that everybody wanted.
Speaker 1: And you talk about the auditions and you friends in
Speaker 1: the auditions. So there's the West Coast guys that are
Speaker 1: auditioning in.
Speaker 2: The New York actors, right.
Speaker 1: I love this because he really makes you work for
Speaker 1: this the West Coast actors were you Amelio?
Speaker 11: Weirdly enough, Tom because he was staying out here with Amelia,
Speaker 11: so Cruz was out here even though he was East
Speaker 11: Coast pony Boy Tommy Howell. And then we went to
Speaker 11: the East Coast and that's where Matt Dylon was Ralph Matchio,
Speaker 11: and we went through this whole process months, months of auditions,
Speaker 11: months and months and months and months, and then he
Speaker 11: picked his favorites. And then he took us to New
Speaker 11: York and it was the same thing there, but it
Speaker 11: wasn't months.
Speaker 2: It was a week. And then but we did.
Speaker 11: I mean, there's more filmed footage of us auditioning than
Speaker 11: there probably is of us making the actual movie.
Speaker 1: So the process of that film. When your sons look
Speaker 1: at that movie, what was their reaction to that movie?
Speaker 11: Well, I'm not sure how much of anything of mine
Speaker 11: my son's act actually seen. I actually do think they've
Speaker 11: all seen The Outsiders because, much to their mortification, they
Speaker 11: had to read the book and see the movie in class. Right,
Speaker 11: it is that's seventh grade in the curriculum across the country.
Speaker 11: For you have most part, and there's nothing I love
Speaker 11: more than going into a seventh grade class after they've
Speaker 11: seen the movie or and read.
Speaker 2: The book and talking to them.
Speaker 11: I love it, and I love it because I love kids,
Speaker 11: but also it's a new crop of fans. I mean,
Speaker 11: to be able, as you know. The key to longevity
Speaker 11: is you can't. If your audience ages out, you're done.
Speaker 2: You're done.
Speaker 11: So the key to a long career is if you're
Speaker 11: lucky enough to figure it out, having a new crop
Speaker 11: of people discover you every year. And The Outsiders does
Speaker 11: that by design.
Speaker 2: What was the toughest part when you were in production
Speaker 2: with that?
Speaker 11: The night shoots, you know, I mean, I'd never made
Speaker 11: a movie, so the notion of shooting all night in
Speaker 11: the rain and the fight the big rumble scene was
Speaker 11: a whole week of shooting all at night with freezing cold,
Speaker 11: no dressing rooms, no word. Francis was very mercurial.
Speaker 2: He would treat the.
Speaker 11: Cast great and then wouldn't provide anywhere for us to
Speaker 11: get warm. I mean, Francis had all of these great
Speaker 11: social engineering experiments he wanted to try. He had us
Speaker 11: playing tackle football, yeah in the street, and I'll never
Speaker 11: forget Tommy Helle played pony Boy. His dad was one
Speaker 11: of the great stut men Chris Howell, the legendary stut man,
Speaker 11: so Tommy knew his way around even though he's only fifteen.
Speaker 11: He huddled us up and said, listen, I'm calling this game.
Speaker 2: We're done here.
Speaker 11: If I break my leg on this next football play,
Speaker 11: I'll be on the next flight home and somebody else
Speaker 11: will be playing Pony my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 11: Francis wanted us to learn about being greasers by talking
Speaker 11: to people who were greasers in the fifties. So me
Speaker 11: and Cruz were hooked up with this family and had
Speaker 11: to go spend the night at their house in the basement,
Speaker 11: and I can just remember laying in this cot in.
Speaker 2: The basement of a house in Tulsa with a.
Speaker 11: Family I never knew, and just looking over at Tom
Speaker 11: and going, what the what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 11: It was I mean, I understand why Francis did it,
Speaker 11: I get it, but it was It's very odd and
Speaker 11: not the way most people make movies.
Speaker 1: Were you amazed at the effect that you had in
Speaker 1: New York with style and with women and men in
Speaker 1: the nineties. I really, you know, you're credited and justifiably so,
Speaker 1: for really shifting a whole conversation and look was there
Speaker 1: a moment that you looked across the street and saw
Speaker 1: somebody and you were like, she's dressed like Carry Bradshaw.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think over time and I will say that really
Speaker 7: is Pat Field and Mollie Rogers. Originally, you know, Pat
Speaker 7: was our original classom designer, as you know, she's incredible.
Speaker 7: Molly Rogers was there from day one of the original show.
Speaker 7: So I think what we all recognized the ways in
Speaker 7: which the show was influencing life, whether it was the
Speaker 7: flower you know, or the Carrie name plate, or you know,
Speaker 7: walking down the street with two purses versus one, or
Speaker 7: two pocketbooks versus one pocketbook, or you'd start to see
Speaker 7: young women gathered four and five on a Sunday for
Speaker 7: brunch and you'd just see more of it, or groups
Speaker 7: of women walking. You'd see a kind of emotional life
Speaker 7: that wasn't as visible in certain ways. But the clothes
Speaker 7: had a huge impact, and I think that was because
Speaker 7: Pat never and Molly patt they never felt that they
Speaker 7: had to answer to anybody or apologize. I'll speak specifically
Speaker 7: to Carrie who has a very specific relationship with fashion
Speaker 7: and as well vintage. So I think you know, there
Speaker 7: were lots of hits, and there were, in many people's opinion,
Speaker 7: lots of misses, and to us, none of it was
Speaker 7: a mistake. Like you had you had to take an
Speaker 7: approach and be totally monogamous to an aesthetic idea. And
Speaker 7: when you do that, like in anything, it's arresting. You know,
Speaker 7: if somebody writes a book and uses a voice that
Speaker 7: you've never read before, everybody's going to talk about it.
Speaker 7: Or think of early images on MTV and what made
Speaker 7: us all stop and watch a video a hundred times?
Speaker 7: You know, music, architecture, you know, anything anything that feels fresh, unique, unseen,
Speaker 7: but not arbitrarily. So you can't just be ridiculous, because
Speaker 7: you can be, and it really does look like there's
Speaker 7: any point of view or perspective. It looks just like
Speaker 7: you're trying to be controversial exactly. So I feel like
Speaker 7: the things that were influential because they were a real choice.
Speaker 7: And then you you know, you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 7: I've told destroy many times that we didn't have anything.
Speaker 7: In the beginning, nobody would loan us anything. We were
Speaker 7: getting most of Carrie's wardrobe from vintage and consignment shops
Speaker 7: and century twenty one occasionally we could afford a dress
Speaker 7: off the rack at a finer department store like Sacks.
Speaker 2: But that was very rare for the plaza.
Speaker 7: That was the most expensive dress they ever bought. It
Speaker 7: was a Christian dey or simple sheath dress. I've heard
Speaker 7: it was every anywhere from six hundred to eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 7: But that would have been like you'd be making decisions
Speaker 7: then okay, well if we get that, then we can't
Speaker 7: have that. Like that wasn't alone. That was a bunchase.
Speaker 17: Yeah, okay, So I gonna tell you yesterday.
Speaker 4: You've probably heard the story a thousand years ago.
Speaker 9: But once upon a time I was in Europe with
Speaker 9: friends and it just so happened that we went on
Speaker 9: an Audrey Hepburn movie marathon binge.
Speaker 4: For like a long weekend where you part of you.
Speaker 9: I was in London and flying back to America, and
Speaker 9: I get on the plane and get myself situated. Now,
Speaker 9: me on an airplane is about five seconds of buckling
Speaker 9: my seatbelt, and you know, eleven and a half hours
Speaker 9: of sleeping. And I get on the plane and I
Speaker 9: get all you know, situated and stuff, and I'm sitting
Speaker 9: there and there's and I was in first class, yes,
Speaker 9: very very fancy, and not a lot of people in
Speaker 9: first class. And I look over so I'm sitting in
Speaker 9: a window seat, so seat next to me, and there's
Speaker 9: middle section, and then over there is Audrey Hepburn.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 9: And I honestly it's like, am I making this up?
Speaker 4: Is she really?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 4: Is you? And I was just like, go to sleep.
Speaker 9: You got to like I didn't know what to do
Speaker 9: with myself. I was beside myself, beside myself, and should
Speaker 9: I talked to her?
Speaker 4: I talk to her? I can't talk to her. I
Speaker 4: can't talk to her. I walk into Hi.
Speaker 9: I'm an actor and I just love you. And I
Speaker 9: just didn't know what to do. So I did fall asleep.
Speaker 9: And then when I wake up, when the wheels touched
Speaker 9: the ground, which is my Yeah, do that?
Speaker 2: Well, thank you?
Speaker 4: And I think, okay, there's long lines it customs.
Speaker 9: I will pull my stuff together, put a piece of
Speaker 9: gum in my mouth and say hello.
Speaker 4: Well, she doesn't have an American passport. She's somewhere else.
Speaker 4: And I missed my chance. My chance is over.
Speaker 9: And I'm so disappointed in myself and really disappointed. And
Speaker 9: I go downstairs because this was back in the day
Speaker 9: when I checked a bag and I go down to
Speaker 9: baggage claim and I get my bag and as I
Speaker 9: turn around because you know, the guy takes your ticket
Speaker 9: and looks at the thing standing right in front of
Speaker 9: me with her checked bag is Audrey Hepbrood. And she
Speaker 9: turns to me and she goes, you're wonderful.
Speaker 4: And hugs me. And I was just like, I.
Speaker 9: Just she has no idea, she has no idea what
Speaker 9: is happening to my entire life right now?
Speaker 4: And I had to call my.
Speaker 9: Friends and like so every movie there was, Charay said,
Speaker 9: she's right there.
Speaker 4: You know, I just could not believe.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a cool story.
Speaker 1: And like yet again timing it wasn't meant to be
Speaker 1: on the plane, That's what was.
Speaker 9: So magnificent, and unbeknownst to any of us at the time,
Speaker 9: she was unwell and she was given a Screen Actress
Speaker 9: Guild Lifetime Achievement Award, and back in the day when
Speaker 9: they were these kind of smaller things whatever, and she
Speaker 9: wrote me a letter and asked me to receive it
Speaker 9: on her behalf. And she wrote a speech and asked
Speaker 9: me to recite the speech. And Gregory Peck presented it,
Speaker 9: and it was just just my whole life.
Speaker 4: I just thought, what is happening right now? Gregory peck Is,
Speaker 4: I'm sort of the proxy for Audrey Hepburn, what is
Speaker 4: going on? And I read this beautiful speech that she'd written.
Speaker 9: I mean it was I kind of forget that even
Speaker 9: happened to me because it was so it just sounds
Speaker 9: like fiction, like, oh so I'm on this plane, you know.
Speaker 9: I mean it just it sounds like a made up story,
Speaker 9: but it all happened.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 5: And she was, you know, I mean, honest to God
Speaker 5: when you look at like the epitome.
Speaker 4: Of class class. She just was so elegant.
Speaker 2: And she was elegant from Roman holiday on just and.
Speaker 4: Use and all of it. I mean amazing.
Speaker 1: As we wind down our retrospective, I want to bring
Speaker 1: it back to the heart of the show food. Let's
Speaker 1: go back to the very beginning and hear a clip
Speaker 1: from our first episode ever with Scarlett Johansson at via Carota.
Speaker 1: Oh and spoiler alert, I'm actually sitting at the Carlisle
Speaker 1: Hotel right now recording another interview for our next season
Speaker 1: coming in twenty twenty four. So thanks again for pulling
Speaker 1: up a chair and we'll see you next year. We
Speaker 1: let us talk about food versus you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up in our house.
Speaker 2: Where we never saw my dad who's os in the restaurant,
Speaker 2: so we never end there together.
Speaker 1: As a family, and my mother would go paint the
Speaker 1: picture of the young siblings kind of in because you
Speaker 1: guys grew up in the show.
Speaker 18: We grew up in the West Village, West Village, and
Speaker 18: only we moved around a lot before that, but we
Speaker 18: eventually settled in West like when I was like ten,
Speaker 18: and we lived in a lower middle and Come housing project.
Speaker 18: And you know, we didn't eat out ever because we
Speaker 18: never had money.
Speaker 12: To My mom did most of the cooking.
Speaker 18: At home when I was little, and she had her
Speaker 18: kind of meals on rotation. I think she enjoyed cooking
Speaker 18: to some extent. My dad really enjoyed cooking. And my
Speaker 18: dad was a really great cook. His first wife was Italians,
Speaker 18: and like made an amazing like putinesque and all those
Speaker 18: like delicious sauces.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: My dad was great at that, and.
Speaker 4: We all loved to eat like. My family is a
Speaker 4: foodie family. We you know, my sister and I both
Speaker 4: loved to cook together. My sister is an excellent cook.
Speaker 1: You growing up in New York. I feel like if
Speaker 1: we were decades apart for the same Burrow, I would
Speaker 1: have loved you, you would have been.
Speaker 2: You gave us right.
Speaker 4: I'm really honored an amazing interview.
Speaker 2: I am, yes, thank you.
Speaker 16: It's so natural and it's like butter.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful, very exactly, but it's very easy to sit
Speaker 1: with someone you.
Speaker 2: Love, you admire.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I hope that everyone enjoyed today.
Speaker 2: Thank you, it was wonderful.
Speaker 16: Thank you so much of this highly I love you
Speaker 16: deserve every car.
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