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Speaker 1: Welcome to money Making Conversations. It's the show that she
Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and
Speaker 1: Brandon expert ras Shan McDonald. I will know he's given
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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald My Next Guest is an entrepreneur, investor, and
Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling author. He is the founder and
Speaker 1: CEO of Bulletproof three. He created a bio hacking movement,
Speaker 1: created Bulletproof Coffee and launching Empire expanded on his bio
Speaker 1: hacking discoveries that includes Bulletproof branding food and drink products
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Speaker 1: Bulletproof Radio podcast, Cafes and War. Today, he's on the
Speaker 1: show to talk about his fourth book, Game Changers. Please
Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. Dave Asprey Sean, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I gotta set you up, man, when your big time
Speaker 1: like you, maybe I gotta set you up. I can't
Speaker 1: just say please, welcome to the show, Dave. I can't
Speaker 1: do that, brother, I can't do you know. I got
Speaker 1: I gotta tell the world about you, man, because I
Speaker 1: read your book, Game Changers, and I always knew about
Speaker 1: your your brand, and but the book Game Changers, and
Speaker 1: when I'm reading it, when they got to the point,
Speaker 1: always tell people. Abo tell my my friends and my
Speaker 1: my employees, all the time, I said, I want to
Speaker 1: live like as old as the people in the Bible,
Speaker 1: as I said I wanted. And then when I read
Speaker 1: you said you want to live to a hundred years old,
Speaker 1: I went, that's my that's my man. Because people, really,
Speaker 1: they get to a certain age and they feel that.
Speaker 1: I will tell people when they get to the fifties,
Speaker 1: there's something happens to people because they see that they've
Speaker 1: been told at sixty five that they should retire, and
Speaker 1: they've been told at sixty five that they're gonna be
Speaker 1: taken care of. So something mentally happens with with people.
Speaker 1: They whole body structure change, their goals change. They also
Speaker 1: believe that they can't accomplish things at that age or
Speaker 1: why should they, And then they get frustrated when the
Speaker 1: people who made these promises that they're gonna take care
Speaker 1: of them don't come through. Your book enables me to
Speaker 1: believe that my mindset that I have it's the right mindset.
Speaker 1: Don't wait anybody, you can do it yourself. Is that
Speaker 1: what I did? I take that correct from your reading?
Speaker 1: From my reading. You know you're in charge of your
Speaker 1: own biology, and yeah, you get it exactly right. I
Speaker 1: just I just turned six and I celebrated my twenty
Speaker 1: five percent birthday. I'm still a young man because I'm
Speaker 1: barely a quarter done with my minimum goal. And I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm not That's not one of those though, Hey
Speaker 1: look at me. I'm doing this to, you know, get attention.
Speaker 1: I've run an anti as nonprofitly for twenty years, and
Speaker 1: I've interviewed people on bulletproof Radio. Guy's ninety three has
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Speaker 1: one of twelve living grand masters of the energy medicine
Speaker 1: tradition that protects the emperors of China. These are they
Speaker 1: have something called wisdom, and I think we're missing on
Speaker 1: wisdom right now because half a people over a certain
Speaker 1: age are going to get all time years disease didn't
Speaker 1: even remember their wisdom. If I think we have an
Speaker 1: epidemic of a shortage of wisdom. And I've learned so
Speaker 1: much for people three times my age, two times my age.
Speaker 1: Who took this day, Abraham who just interviewed me for
Speaker 1: the book, one of the top marketing consultants in the
Speaker 1: last thirty years on direct direct mail, direct marketing. Dear
Speaker 1: personal friend, I think Ethan his seventies or late sixties. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, these are the guys who tell me how
Speaker 1: to do the stuff I don't know how to do
Speaker 1: because they already did it ten more times than I did.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I didn't have the wisdom to
Speaker 1: listen to those people when I was in my twenties,
Speaker 1: I was maybe a little too egotistical. And part of
Speaker 1: the reason I wrote Game Changers, I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: what made all of them? All these people did these
Speaker 1: big things, what made them special? And asked them all
Speaker 1: the same question. And I worked with the statistician to
Speaker 1: analyze all the data and figure out I don't care
Speaker 1: one successful person does and put people listening. You shouldn't either,
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Speaker 1: they're not you, so don't follow a guru. Find out
Speaker 1: what a bunch of people all agree on. There's their priorities.
Speaker 1: Set your priorities the same way, and choose the tools
Speaker 1: that work for you. And this book is it's not
Speaker 1: one of those books to hit. I did this podcast episode,
Speaker 1: look what you could learn? And you put twenty of
Speaker 1: them together, you got a book. This is a book
Speaker 1: where we analyze four underd and fifty interviews, all of
Speaker 1: them with exactly the same three questions at the end,
Speaker 1: and we look for commonalities. So, if you're going to
Speaker 1: spend one hour being a better an entrepreneur, a better father,
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Speaker 1: to be, you might as look at the highest return
Speaker 1: on that hour's worth of time and energy. Uh and well,
Speaker 1: how else could you do that? But learning from hundreds
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Speaker 1: my guilt. And here's the secret. I wanted this for myself,
Speaker 1: between writing and your kind of bestseller every twelve eighteen months,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you don't do good stuff with it.
Speaker 1: We've got a problem there, But we can fix it.
Speaker 1: It's easy. And that's why I'm so feel ve about it.
Speaker 1: Right at the inter of your interview, you always ask
Speaker 1: this question, is what are your top three recommendations of
Speaker 1: people who want to perform better at being human? Can
Speaker 1: you can? You? Can? You can? I ask you that
Speaker 1: question days absolutely, and I wrote I wrote the afterward
Speaker 1: in Game Changers where I kind of put more more
Speaker 1: context into this, but I'm gonna summarize that and until
Speaker 1: I wrote this book already and asked the question in
Speaker 1: a in a major way. And the first thing is
Speaker 1: the power of gratitude. And every night when I put
Speaker 1: my kids to bed, I say tell me three things
Speaker 1: you're grateful for, uh, And I tell them stuff I'm
Speaker 1: grateful for. And if you do that, it changes your
Speaker 1: whole biology, like yours down your brain state changes. And
Speaker 1: I measured that at the brain the neuroscientists student that
Speaker 1: I started. If you can see what gratitude does, it's
Speaker 1: a real thing. The number one gratitude. Second one is
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Speaker 1: everything else. That's the bacteria to do. This day alive
Speaker 1: and you're powered by bacteria so everything you've ever done
Speaker 1: that you're ashamed of came from these ancient bacteria. Good
Speaker 1: news is they're not you. Bad news is you're responsible
Speaker 1: for what they make you do. So you've got to
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Speaker 1: could drop the guilt and shame right now, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm wired that way. I gotta get on top of
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Speaker 1: And the final thing that's in my pieces of advice
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Speaker 1: body actually doesn't listen to you very well, except when
Speaker 1: it comes to gratitude and love and things like that.
Speaker 1: But what it does listen to it listens to the
Speaker 1: environment around you. So what that means is that you
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Speaker 1: you can change all the all the things that twenty
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Speaker 1: who you were, you couldn't do it. So we have
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Speaker 1: up to make you a super human. But unless you
Speaker 1: realize it's the environment that listened to it's not you,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to do that. The mess your day.
Speaker 1: Are you doing any book signing tours or you have
Speaker 1: a schedule for that's set up yet? Or what what's
Speaker 1: happened with you? And where are you based? I am
Speaker 1: based in Victoria, British Columbia, or headquarters in Seattle. And
Speaker 1: in April five through seventh is the bio Hacking Conference,
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Speaker 1: and so hours a whole year of time that went
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Speaker 1: bigger platform than my radio platform. Thank you. They appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Keep changing lives and keep you up, keep being a
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Speaker 1: saying that this is not an on anyone. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: that we I want to tell different stories than you
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Speaker 1: with the reason why I'm frustrated is because I'm better
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Speaker 1: on several tell television shows as well as a co
Speaker 1: host of Fox Networks talk show The Preachers which I
Speaker 1: Saw Them All, which haired in the summer of He
Speaker 1: and his family are currently in the third season of
Speaker 1: their show, The Book of John Gray, which airs on
Speaker 1: the Oprah Winfrey Network. We all knew that need Bork.
Speaker 1: He was an Ebony Power one hundred honoree I want
Speaker 1: to be one of those one day, and was inducted
Speaker 1: into the inaugural class of Oprah Winfrey's Super Soul one hundred.
Speaker 1: That's pretty powerful, that's pretty probful, that's pretty This young
Speaker 1: man got it going on. He is on the show
Speaker 1: today to talk about his latest book, When from Within. Again.
Speaker 1: He's on the show today to talk about his latest book,
Speaker 1: When from Within. He wants to help readers identify how
Speaker 1: best to handle the most difficult, challenging, and in yet
Speaker 1: necessary battles that we all face, our inner struggle to
Speaker 1: overcome the worst versions of ourselves. Jacob spent much of
Speaker 1: his life running and hiding from himself. At a certain point,
Speaker 1: we like Jacob, cannot run from our true selves anymore.
Speaker 1: We must stop and face ourselves if we are to
Speaker 1: become great. His book When from Within Helps It helps
Speaker 1: us now us conquer our inner darkness and overcome such
Speaker 1: hindrance as fear I talked about that earlier, shame and guilt.
Speaker 1: He praised. You will find this powerfully biblical self help.
Speaker 1: God push you towards victory over your inner struggles. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to money making conversation. Some behind. I'm stating a
Speaker 1: long term r to him in the airport a couple
Speaker 1: of a couple of months ago, Pastor John Gray the Third,
Speaker 1: my friend, be with you today. Feeling good, feeling good? Man.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, actually the previous time I saw you
Speaker 1: was in Houston on stage and and uh doing the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ceremony for BT. It was the NFL Acquire
Speaker 1: celebration and Joelo Steve's church, and you was crushing it. Man.
Speaker 1: He's funny, you know that. Man. I was trying. They
Speaker 1: put me up there last minute. I was like, now
Speaker 1: y'all got some other hosts. I won't have they checked.
Speaker 1: I just happened to be there. Oh my good you were.
Speaker 1: You were there. But there's just been a journey man. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the little side know about me and Pastor
Speaker 1: John graded Third. Uh we met, Uh just just I
Speaker 1: guess it was just one of those moments in life
Speaker 1: how you just meet people, and how my life has
Speaker 1: always been able to introduce people to their their their
Speaker 1: course of life, their dream or or something they're trying
Speaker 1: to see. Uh. Steve Harvey and I we were at
Speaker 1: a sold out show and uh at the New Jersey
Speaker 1: Pack that's one of the best theaters in the country.
Speaker 1: And this young man came up to me. Didn't know him,
Speaker 1: didn't know him. And it was funny because Steve said,
Speaker 1: who is that? I said, he said, he's funny and
Speaker 1: he wants to go on stage. He said, what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do? I say, he brother, everybody deserves a shot.
Speaker 1: And it was funny because you know, it's how life is.
Speaker 1: And he believe me. He was funny too. He was
Speaker 1: very funny and just tell him to experience that. John Man. Uh,
Speaker 1: that was rip Sack. I think it was a show
Speaker 1: for a hair care company, absolutely right. And and Darren said,
Speaker 1: John McGee, five minutes you know to to open and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and I'm looking at you already a
Speaker 1: legend Steve Robber's back there already a legend. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here and I got a one bad room apartment
Speaker 1: in South Jersey for a tourist in the back of
Speaker 1: the NJ pack And it was like, you know, it
Speaker 1: had to be two thousand two, maybe somewhere back then.
Speaker 1: I got up there and I did my piece. I
Speaker 1: came off stage. You should said a great job, great job,
Speaker 1: and he said, and Steve wants you to introduce him.
Speaker 1: And that was like the greatest honor to be able
Speaker 1: to stand amongst giants. And at that time I was
Speaker 1: a youth pastor that was doing like Christian comedy, family comedy,
Speaker 1: and we know, uncle Steve, he'll put some words together
Speaker 1: they show um. But the fact that I was able
Speaker 1: to stand amongst the great uh and just to watch
Speaker 1: meant the world. The way you carried yourself, the suit
Speaker 1: you had on, the hat, the tie. I could go
Speaker 1: on and on. I remember those details because for me,
Speaker 1: and already I'm like getting emotional, But for me, when
Speaker 1: you don't have a father, and don't have a father
Speaker 1: figure and don't have many of your life, you look
Speaker 1: to see what excellence looks like. And for my all,
Speaker 1: I have is my heart. My heart is my commodity.
Speaker 1: As long as I keep my heart pewer. I figured
Speaker 1: guy's gonna take me wherever he wants me to go.
Speaker 1: So on that day for you guys to accept me,
Speaker 1: we're saying, y'all see me right, that you guys find
Speaker 1: value in me. And that helped me. It propelled me,
Speaker 1: and it gave me some confidence to keep going, push
Speaker 1: on through. And so I just had to say, you
Speaker 1: know how grateful I was for that experience. It was
Speaker 1: an eye opener, uh, and it was it was wonderful. Man.
Speaker 1: I was reading your book, Pastor, just tell you was
Speaker 1: in some notes to me, brother, some me, I have this, well,
Speaker 1: I have this, Uh, I have this uh in my
Speaker 1: back of my I was having this a rock right
Speaker 1: next to the lake. And you know when when everyone
Speaker 1: times were always tough for me, I would not when
Speaker 1: it when it was when you know in life, you
Speaker 1: know this, Pastor John, is that sometimes only you can
Speaker 1: make that decision. You can you can see counseling, you
Speaker 1: can to talk to friends, but that ultimate decision has
Speaker 1: to be made with you. And so when you're making
Speaker 1: a decision, it's only one person you're making that decision
Speaker 1: with that's God. A lot of people don't understand that.
Speaker 1: And when I would go, when I go to that
Speaker 1: rock and sit down, that's all I'm talking about. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at that water, I'm looking at God,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that grass, I'm looking at myself. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at I'm looking at my reflection. And so when
Speaker 1: you're talking about that weariness, man, that's what you're talking
Speaker 1: That's a very powerful statement that you're talking about. That
Speaker 1: they expound on that a little bit forward their pastor
Speaker 1: well this this idea of when you talk about weary,
Speaker 1: people need to understand there's a difference between being tired,
Speaker 1: being sleepy being weary, because being tired means you need rest,
Speaker 1: mean sleepy means you need sleeping. Weary need means you
Speaker 1: need to have your soul replenish. Because when you're weary,
Speaker 1: you've actually taken from the substance of who you are
Speaker 1: and giving it to people and haven't received in return.
Speaker 1: When you do that, those are upside down transactions. And
Speaker 1: what happens is you will feed on things you talked
Speaker 1: about natural food like donnuts and candy. You'll feed on
Speaker 1: empty calories that actually satisfy you. That's how David ended
Speaker 1: up with bad Sheepa. He was weary. Okay, that's how
Speaker 1: Sampson ended up with Delilah. He was weary. Because when
Speaker 1: you get so weary that you don't see right from all,
Speaker 1: you start making bad decisions. And it's not because you
Speaker 1: want to fail. It's actually because you want to heal
Speaker 1: and don't know how to do it the right way. See,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of people bashing people because they make bad decisions.
Speaker 1: Nobody wakes up in the morning saying I can't wait
Speaker 1: to fail my family. We are all human and we
Speaker 1: have challenges, difficulties, and we make bad decisions, and many
Speaker 1: of them are because we're weary and we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to get back to the place called balance,
Speaker 1: and balance is and and balances and illusion Rassin. Let
Speaker 1: me just say this. When people are like, how do
Speaker 1: you find the balance between ministry and family, there is
Speaker 1: no such thing. Balance means both things are equal. Ministry
Speaker 1: can never weigh more than my wife and kids, and
Speaker 1: it did. That's why my wife was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to my mama's house. Because you're married to the church
Speaker 1: and you're dating your family. And so for me, I
Speaker 1: needed to re calibrate and say this family that God
Speaker 1: has blessed me with these two children, that these blessed
Speaker 1: me with even though I feel inadequate as a husband
Speaker 1: and as a father, because I never saw that. I
Speaker 1: need to put my roots down and start building right here,
Speaker 1: because if I make decisions when I'm weary, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lose it all. And nobody will know that what I
Speaker 1: did wasn't because I was in lust or in addiction,
Speaker 1: because I was weary. So I got some therapists and
Speaker 1: I and I got a Bible, and I got some
Speaker 1: prayer and I did all three of them. And I'm
Speaker 1: not ashamed to say it. Come on, and when when
Speaker 1: you talked about weariness with Samson, Samson totally strength was
Speaker 1: his hair. God blessed hims. As long as you don't
Speaker 1: put the razor to your hair, you would have strength.
Speaker 1: He's weariness. He gave the lie of the truth. Now
Speaker 1: on David, instead of going off the war. He up
Speaker 1: there on top of his palace, looking around. He looked
Speaker 1: over as he but she obathing. He telling him to
Speaker 1: bring her to him, and they have they make love
Speaker 1: or sex. You know what I'm saying. So that's the
Speaker 1: weariness he's talking about, because you you make decision that
Speaker 1: aren't right for yourself, but you do them anyway because
Speaker 1: guess what you weary. Come on, man, you're about to
Speaker 1: have me start preaching with you. Man, I'm about to
Speaker 1: start preaching, man, come on now, come on now, the
Speaker 1: beauty of that's what I said without reading this book. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, here's this is what I wrote this out
Speaker 1: of the book. It says it's the stew. He said,
Speaker 1: the stew, and then he's gonna explain to you what
Speaker 1: the stew is. The stew is no joke. It tastes
Speaker 1: good going down. It's a tasty death. It's a tasty end.
Speaker 1: You dab the corners of your mouth because it satisfies
Speaker 1: in that moment, in an instant though everything has changed,
Speaker 1: it's all talk about that, Stu Pastor. I'm getting ready
Speaker 1: to go read my book again. Um. There was a
Speaker 1: moment in the lives of Jacob and Esaw. For those
Speaker 1: who may not be familiar with the biblical narrative, Nacob
Speaker 1: and Saw were twin brothers. He Saw came out first.
Speaker 1: Jacob grabbed his heel as he was coming out of
Speaker 1: the womb that the name Jacob means he'll grabb her
Speaker 1: or replacement or supplanter. And it was the fulfillment of
Speaker 1: a property that was given to the mother that said
Speaker 1: two nations or in your womb, and the older shall
Speaker 1: serve the younger. And so Jacob was was basically his
Speaker 1: whole life trying to up end his brother or outdo
Speaker 1: his brother. But he didn't have his brother's strength, and
Speaker 1: he didn't have his father's favor. And so at one
Speaker 1: point Esau, who was very impetuous, and he moved in
Speaker 1: the moment, came back from hunting, and he was exhausted
Speaker 1: and he was hungry, and he said to his brother,
Speaker 1: fixed me some of that student. Let me get a
Speaker 1: bowl of that stew you made. And Jacob said, I'll
Speaker 1: give you some stew if you sell me your birthright. Now,
Speaker 1: in ancient Hebrew times, selling your birthright was a kind
Speaker 1: of dishonoring your parents, dishonoring God. It's dishonoring your identity.
Speaker 1: Your birthright means you got a double portion of a blessing.
Speaker 1: You've got favor for the rest of your life and
Speaker 1: your kids. And so in a moment of temporary hunger.
Speaker 1: Esau made an eternal decision, and so the stew represents
Speaker 1: anything that wants you to eat it right now without
Speaker 1: understanding that it's gonna cost you for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. So stu for Esau. Actually it tasted good
Speaker 1: while he ate it, but nothing was ever the same.
Speaker 1: He lost his birthright, he lost his identity, and he
Speaker 1: lost his favor. For those who read the Bible, God
Speaker 1: introduces himself to Moses as the god of Abraham, Isaac
Speaker 1: and Jacob. It should have been Abraham, Isaac and Saw,
Speaker 1: but Saul chose to sell his birthright, and therefore he
Speaker 1: gave up his identity and then got made and the
Speaker 1: Jacob had to go run, had to run, fell on
Speaker 1: that rock and went to sleep. That came an altar.
Speaker 1: I pad this for a book. I've had this for
Speaker 1: read because it's like reading a Bible. I love it
Speaker 1: because like a refresher course, you know, because of the
Speaker 1: fact that when you're going through a well written book
Speaker 1: allows you to experience something, also allows you to realize
Speaker 1: that this is something that's important in your life. And
Speaker 1: then when you read this book, you realize how important
Speaker 1: the Bible lives in your life, Uh, Pastor John grad three,
Speaker 1: I really want to appreciate you. I really want to
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on the show Man and uh allowing
Speaker 1: me to read your book and promote your book and
Speaker 1: sell the values of your book, because it's important when
Speaker 1: you write these books. And I know he does a
Speaker 1: lot of these shows equal important. He knows that I've
Speaker 1: read his book and I appreciate the value what he
Speaker 1: brought to the table. Amen, thank you for shining, for
Speaker 1: allowing me to be on your platform. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being my friend through these years, and thank you for
Speaker 1: opening that door and and and and speaking life to
Speaker 1: me all those years ago. Just to pray that this
Speaker 1: book is a blessing to you and to all of
Speaker 1: your listeners and supporters. I really do want them to
Speaker 1: get it. It is a life changing read. I believe
Speaker 1: that I appreciate your brother, passor John Gray. The Yeah,
Speaker 1: we sort of stopped paying attention and racked up a
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Speaker 1: first of all, you know, congratulations on everything that you accomplished.
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Speaker 1: Because man, it's it's a well, first of all, just
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Speaker 1: like I think about, man, every day is dr but
Speaker 1: you gotta laugh at you gotta laugh at it, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think, uh, you know, um to
Speaker 1: answer your question a little bit better, man, I started
Speaker 1: off doing drama first, you know, I want to uh
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Speaker 1: that chose to go to Howard University. Everything started off
Speaker 1: with more drama anyway. Comedy is just something that I
Speaker 1: just happened to be good at, I guess and and
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Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not hard to go back and
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Speaker 1: enough drama to be able to laugh about it. You know,
Speaker 1: I love talking to talent people. They make it seem like,
Speaker 1: you know, no big deal, you know, back and for
Speaker 1: off yas Listen, listen, you know I'm talking about you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking You know this show comedy. Comedy
Speaker 1: is definitely harder. You know, it's definitely because because because
Speaker 1: it's about timing, it's right, right, mean, and it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you can't teach that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean you can, you can, but
Speaker 1: it's it's it's if it's natural and and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just this is one of those things that makes
Speaker 1: it happy. Yeah. Yeah. So now let's talk about the
Speaker 1: movie Misguided Behavior. Uh. First of all, he's very drama
Speaker 1: dramatic in this movie, okay um um. But also you
Speaker 1: you went behind the lens, you know how difficulty. Let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about the movie just how everybody move. This
Speaker 1: is a movie that I'm I'm blessed to be an
Speaker 1: executive producer in the movie. It's an anti bullet movie.
Speaker 1: It's about the typical situation that he's a young man
Speaker 1: who's being bullied and he has to appen. He lives
Speaker 1: in a lifestyle that you say, why is he underrash?
Speaker 1: Why is he not? In fact, where was his parents?
Speaker 1: Where his parents were always always there for this young man.
Speaker 1: Father was in a little bit of denial about what
Speaker 1: was going on. Mother was overly concerned. So you had
Speaker 1: a confidict right there. You have to over the cons
Speaker 1: her mom and dad said be a man, be a man,
Speaker 1: be a man. But neither one of the parents was
Speaker 1: listening to the young man's emotional pain. And that's what
Speaker 1: this movie is about. Uh. I throw it back to you.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just set it up for your call
Speaker 1: because it's really a movie that more and more people
Speaker 1: should be aware of and parents should exposed and teachers
Speaker 1: should expose these young adults to this movie, right right.
Speaker 1: I mean that was the thing that drew me to it,
Speaker 1: the story of it all. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: once I started doing the film, you know, I had
Speaker 1: hit home even more so because my my son, my
Speaker 1: youngest son, was actually going through that and I didn't
Speaker 1: even know it. You know, he was actually, you know
Speaker 1: the same thing was happening right at home and I
Speaker 1: did not even know it. And you know, we have
Speaker 1: to stop. We have to first of all. First of all,
Speaker 1: everything starts in the home. Everything starts at home, you know.
Speaker 1: And yes, we have to hold ourselves as well as
Speaker 1: the teachers who we leave our children with for the
Speaker 1: majority of the day the same thing, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and so we have to have these dialogues. I have
Speaker 1: to have these conversations. Then we have to be able
Speaker 1: to recognize things that that are unsaid. Man. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you getting on the call and go do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. Okay, yes, sir, yes, sir, I mean Chicago
Speaker 1: shooting this Christmas film right now. But you know, we
Speaker 1: could be putting the gang back together. So we're about
Speaker 1: to bring um about. You know, we're about to bring
Speaker 1: that funny man. But everybody's been asking about this reboot.
Speaker 1: So well, that's another interview that's you know, I know
Speaker 1: about that. That's another interview that I'm gonna bring a
Speaker 1: couple of all on my show, sidemortainous you talk about that,
Speaker 1: so now now that's what I'm bringing you back for
Speaker 1: that one. On that one call. Okay, all right, stay
Speaker 1: strong man, and stay warm in Chicago. Oh yeah, for shure,
Speaker 1: it's cold out here. I know, right, my next guest,
Speaker 1: he's here live in studio. I tell you. Last time
Speaker 1: he was a studio with me was in uh Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Steve Harvey Morning Show. You know, he's just gotta
Speaker 1: stay busy anyway. He's appeared in more one hundred movies
Speaker 1: beginning the nineteen eighties, and critics including Minutes to Society,
Speaker 1: Did Presidents, Why do Food? Fall of Love, Rush Hour,
Speaker 1: Next Friday? Whoa? And I've been loving him recently because
Speaker 1: he he hadn't died maybe three times. And one of
Speaker 1: my favorite series on c W called Black Lightning. Please
Speaker 1: work with the show. Clifton Pole, good to be here.
Speaker 1: How you doing they Clifton, how you're doing? Man? I'm good.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm happy you came by. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the movie I just hung up with with our
Speaker 1: call Call Paying and regards to the misguy, that behavior,
Speaker 1: and you play a dominant role in there mini roles.
Speaker 1: First of all, let's talk about your career a little bit. Man.
Speaker 1: You're busy, bro, You're a working actor. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what people strive for in Hollywood, a working actor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to be a football player. So I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of like blessed that I've had such
Speaker 1: a long career. I really, I really just really want
Speaker 1: to be a football player. And you know, my nephew
Speaker 1: is the sportscaster James Brown. You know, jb J. Was
Speaker 1: a basketball star in DC. Absolutely, so, Um, I ended
Speaker 1: up going to the Matha trying to play basketball. But
Speaker 1: I and I played a little bit of football. And
Speaker 1: I grew up in the hood. You know, it was
Speaker 1: before you went to training and all that stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: so I didn't get to you know, get the kind
Speaker 1: of support you know that was really fast and I
Speaker 1: was good. And so after football, I really had no
Speaker 1: desire to be anything other. I was gonna be a
Speaker 1: bus driver. I come out of the hood, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't well I couldn't. I didn't play football,
Speaker 1: So I didn't know what I was gonna do. So
Speaker 1: I was gonna be a bus driver because somebody told
Speaker 1: me bus drivers made six dollars and fifty cents, and
Speaker 1: so you know, um, then I you know, God had
Speaker 1: another plan, and so you know, once I got into it,
Speaker 1: I was. I tell all the students that you know,
Speaker 1: I was the worst actor in my program, and I
Speaker 1: had to work harder than anybody else. And um, I
Speaker 1: had a little bit of tragedy. My dad had a
Speaker 1: nervous breakdown, and they were gonna I had to drop
Speaker 1: out of the program. And they decided, you know, even
Speaker 1: though I was a little bit of a knucklehead when
Speaker 1: I got there, because I wouldn't wear my lead tards
Speaker 1: and tight. Debbie Allen was my dancy and uh and
Speaker 1: uh so you know, one of the teachers, God rest
Speaker 1: his soul, Charles Brown, who's a fabulous actor, came to me.
Speaker 1: He said, man, you gotta put your leotis and tightson,
Speaker 1: and you're scaring everybody, you know, a little rough around here,
Speaker 1: a little edgy. And so finally I put my tights on,
Speaker 1: and then I stayed in the program, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I went to Emerson and then I got to New York.
Speaker 1: I think in uh seventy nine, and Sam and Denzel
Speaker 1: and all those guys were there, and I just knew
Speaker 1: that that if I kept myself together, uh And I
Speaker 1: don't think any of us really thought about Hollywood. We
Speaker 1: just wouldn't want to be a working actor. And then
Speaker 1: I got to L A and eighty nine and and
Speaker 1: you know, for those first five or six years, I
Speaker 1: was unemployed and you know, doing all kind of clerical
Speaker 1: work and counseling and stuff. And then you know, when
Speaker 1: I went to auditions, I would just go in so prepared.
Speaker 1: So when I went in and did Rock was the
Speaker 1: first show that kind of like introduced me to the public.
Speaker 1: I went in it was for a cracked out crack dealer.
Speaker 1: And I had met Charles Dutton at a beach party
Speaker 1: and I knew a friend of his, my buddy Walter Ben.
Speaker 1: I said, man, I'm I'm a friend of Mr Bennis.
Speaker 1: He's all right, man. So two weeks later, I'm auditioning
Speaker 1: and he comes down the hall and every everybody else
Speaker 1: got on T shirts and jeans. I look like a crackhead,
Speaker 1: dirty clothes, dirty teeth, hair with dirt in my hair.
Speaker 1: So Charlie said, I got in the room and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, they really got a real damn crackhead of it.
Speaker 1: And uh so, once I booked that, I just kept
Speaker 1: on booking him. The rest is his sheep, you know.
Speaker 1: But one thing I want to say to the young
Speaker 1: people I did. It's preparation meeting opportunity, that's all it is.
Speaker 1: They got a real cracking because I would go and
Speaker 1: I did a tour duty with Miguel New Year's and
Speaker 1: I came in full army dress and the man said,
Speaker 1: where are you from. I said, I'm just I'm from
Speaker 1: New York. I'm just trying to get a job. And
Speaker 1: then I did my monologue from the hallway. By the
Speaker 1: time I finished, they said, you know what, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be the guy just wow, you know. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's just about training and preparation and also willing to
Speaker 1: go there and willing willing to go there, and and
Speaker 1: but then you know, I got a note from one
Speaker 1: casting director and said tell him not to wear the
Speaker 1: whole army suit next time. So I was a different audition.
Speaker 1: So sometimes they don't like you to go all the
Speaker 1: way go there. But it worked in my behalf, and
Speaker 1: I'm just blessed to be a Well it's been working
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