Speaker 1: Forgotten is a production of iHeartMedia and Unusual Productions. Before
Speaker 1: we start. This podcast contains accounts which some listeners will
Speaker 1: find disturbing, but without them, the story can't be fully understood.
Speaker 1: Please take care while listening. Welcome to a special bonus
Speaker 1: episode of Forgotten, Women of Wires, which we're releasing to
Speaker 1: coincide with International Women's Day. We also have some exciting
Speaker 1: news to share. This podcast is being adapted into Spanish,
Speaker 1: German and Danish in partnership with our friends at Podimo,
Speaker 1: and we're honored that this story is reaching a global
Speaker 1: audience and continuing to spark important conversation because the story
Speaker 1: is not over. Femicides continue and families are still seeking justice.
Speaker 1: Here it is Paulaflores. I want to keep denouncing my
Speaker 1: daughter's case, the injustice she suffered. I think that in
Speaker 1: some way it keeps her her memory alive. I'll say
Speaker 1: too that when we're no longer here, she'll live on
Speaker 1: and say a documentary, a book, and that's where the
Speaker 1: memory of Saradio will remain. Whenever I make a public
Speaker 1: presentation or good to an important meeting, I always first
Speaker 1: pray to God, then to Sara. Help me find the
Speaker 1: words to express myself, but I always feel that that
Speaker 1: my daughter is always with In this episode, we talk
Speaker 1: about memory and protest and we have a conversation prompted
Speaker 1: by a question we received time and again from you,
Speaker 1: our audience, what can we do to help I'm a
Speaker 1: flash and I'm Monica. This is forgotten the women of
Speaker 1: Quarras baramo laera loci v you known si donasque hala felicia.
Speaker 1: So well, first start, Happy International Women's Day, Monica, thank you,
Speaker 1: as it does feel like an appropriate moment for us
Speaker 1: to be talking again. Yes, yes, likewise, I'm very glad
Speaker 1: that we are able to launch the Spanish version on
Speaker 1: this day. I remember this time last year I went out.
Speaker 1: It was one of the last mass public events I
Speaker 1: went to before the COVID lockdowns, was to this march
Speaker 1: on International Women's Day in Sudahuas, and I remember just
Speaker 1: what an emotional moment it was, especially at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the march where some of the leaders of the
Speaker 1: protest they were speaking the names of some of the
Speaker 1: women whose stories I've come to know, very intimately into
Speaker 1: a bullhorn into the crowd. Hearing the names, it was
Speaker 1: just a very very emotional moment, and recognizing just how
Speaker 1: long this had gone on, and here we were, yet
Speaker 1: again crying for justice for the same sorts of crimes,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty some years, almost thirty years after they
Speaker 1: first began in that city in wattis as sad as
Speaker 1: that moment was. I feel like that much you told
Speaker 1: me at the time, kind of gave you a little
Speaker 1: bit of a boost of strength to carry on. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you mentioned that, because my initial feelings
Speaker 1: and reaction to being at that march were sadness and grief.
Speaker 1: And then you see this younger generation of women who
Speaker 1: may not have even been born when the femicides first
Speaker 1: got noticed in Wattas, and they're energetic and they're angry.
Speaker 1: And so by the time we reached the final destination
Speaker 1: at the end of the march, I had a completely
Speaker 1: different feeling. I got a sense of empowerment there by
Speaker 1: the end of the march that each and every single
Speaker 1: one of us needs to keep going. I mean, I
Speaker 1: almost didn't come out here today. I decided about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes before the beginning of the march to come out,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did because I see so many
Speaker 1: familiar faces that have seen this tragedy play out, just
Speaker 1: like me, and they're out here. They're out here, they're marching,
Speaker 1: they're fighting, they're protesting. What good does it do in
Speaker 1: the end? Ultimately, demonstrations like this bring women together, energize them,
Speaker 1: empower them, and those are skills, and those whole life
Speaker 1: saving skills. Potentially when we come back, we talk about
Speaker 1: another journey, the journey of making this podcast. Thinking about
Speaker 1: that sense of beginning in one emotional state and ending
Speaker 1: in another and going through a process that, funny enough,
Speaker 1: also reminds me of doing a podcast very honestly. And
Speaker 1: you know, we talked in the first episode about your
Speaker 1: hesitation to join the project, but then the idea of
Speaker 1: having the opportunity to present the story over the course
Speaker 1: of almost ten hours versus in forming increments on NPR
Speaker 1: kind of getting you to the to the yes column.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious as to now, with some months of distance,
Speaker 1: how you do back on the process. You know where
Speaker 1: we ended up and yes, how did it all feel
Speaker 1: in the end. Well, the first word that comes to
Speaker 1: mind is cathartic. It's not often that journalist gets to
Speaker 1: stop for any length of time look back and reflect
Speaker 1: on a career, how all these four and a half
Speaker 1: minute stories ultimately connect and tell a bigger story about
Speaker 1: the region and about the world, how the world operates,
Speaker 1: and how the world operating impacts this particular part of
Speaker 1: the world. This podcast gave me the opportunity to make
Speaker 1: that reflection. It made me a wiser human being. It
Speaker 1: grounded me in a way that I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of journalists have the opportunity to be grounded, because
Speaker 1: you're just going from one story to the next story
Speaker 1: to the next and you don't stop and step back
Speaker 1: and assess the wider scope of the work you've done.
Speaker 1: And why is that important? Well, it has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with feeling grounded as a professional and as
Speaker 1: a human being. Look back, where did you come from?
Speaker 1: And it helps you decide maybe where you want to go,
Speaker 1: what's most important to you in life, and it's not
Speaker 1: just about work going on to the next assignment. That
Speaker 1: kind of reflection I consider a gift, and I hope
Speaker 1: I wish that more journalists are given that opportunity. It's crucial.
Speaker 1: It's critical. When you ask me about takeaways from doing
Speaker 1: this podcast, I mean one of the takeaways is learning
Speaker 1: how to manage the effects of trauma. One of the
Speaker 1: things I've learned as a journalist too, is that eventually
Speaker 1: it will catch up with you, and when it does,
Speaker 1: the last thing you should do is try to shove
Speaker 1: it down and ignore it. Rather, you've got to find
Speaker 1: a way to manage it, and one of those ways
Speaker 1: is to talk about it. And Paula told us a
Speaker 1: similar version of the same thing that repeating her daughter's
Speaker 1: story was not only a way to keep her memory alive,
Speaker 1: but it was also a kind of therapy for her,
Speaker 1: and that she's taking this weight that she carries it
Speaker 1: and vocalizing it, putting it out off her shoulders and
Speaker 1: out into the world. And it also feels like an action,
Speaker 1: like a sort of activism, as long as it's continuing
Speaker 1: to denounce this injustice. One of the more gratifying experiences
Speaker 1: of the podcast for me was when you interviewed Paula's
Speaker 1: granddaughter in El Paso and she said, well, she sa Well,
Speaker 1: Paula's granddaughter is bilingual. She's fluent in both English and Spanish,
Speaker 1: and so she was just about the only one in
Speaker 1: the Gonzales Flores family who was able to listen to
Speaker 1: the English version of our podcast as it was coming
Speaker 1: out last year, and so you know, I somewhat nervously
Speaker 1: shared a link to the series so that she could listen,
Speaker 1: and I asked her, please please tell me what you think,
Speaker 1: don't hold back. One of the thoughts she shared was
Speaker 1: that she felt like she was getting to know her
Speaker 1: aunt Sagrario in a way she hadn't before, in a
Speaker 1: way that her family hadn't shared with her previously, and
Speaker 1: felt a connection to felt like an intimacy with that
Speaker 1: she didn't have before. That alone, to me was humbling
Speaker 1: and special. I knew about my aunt and I like
Speaker 1: who she was, but I didn't actually felt like I
Speaker 1: knew her. And there was a point in the podcast
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh my god, like she was
Speaker 1: a person, like she was a living being, and just
Speaker 1: felt like she was real rather than just like somebody
Speaker 1: that they told me about. How does granddaughter's reaction saying
Speaker 1: that she felt like she knew her aunt better having
Speaker 1: listened to our podcast. That's essentially the mission statement of
Speaker 1: why we're doing this show in Spanish. Yes, it gets
Speaker 1: to the heart of why. From the very beginning, I
Speaker 1: was very adamant that we also do a Spanish adaptation
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Why because so many storytellers have come
Speaker 1: to Howatis, many of them from outside of Mexico, outside
Speaker 1: of Howatis, to tell the stories of these missing and
Speaker 1: murdered women, and oftentimes the final project isn't in Spanish,
Speaker 1: so it's not something that these families who made a
Speaker 1: huge emotional investment in the project can ultimately listen to
Speaker 1: and judge. So this is why it was very important
Speaker 1: to me that we give them that opportunity in this
Speaker 1: particular podcast, that we produce it in Spanish, so that
Speaker 1: they could listen and judge for themselves. You told me
Speaker 1: when you working with the host of the Spanish version,
Speaker 1: there was a moment where you had this almost moment
Speaker 1: of first booms or something. Yes, So we have a
Speaker 1: European podcasting company called Podimo that has graciously stepped up
Speaker 1: to do these trilingual adaptations of Forgotten. One of the
Speaker 1: hosts of the Spanish podcast. As I was riding up
Speaker 1: and trying to learn about who she was, to my surprise,
Speaker 1: I read that she was the editor of none other
Speaker 1: than Sergio Gonzalez Rodriguez, who investigated the femicides in huadis
Speaker 1: alongside Diana Washington Valdes. Wow. So she has a very
Speaker 1: she has a direct and intimate link to this story.
Speaker 1: She was there. She was editing Sergio's story reporting from
Speaker 1: the cotton fields that we discussed in episode four. He
Speaker 1: was in the cotton fields reporting along alongside Diana Washington
Speaker 1: Valdez and Rosana Fuentes Berain was his editor. And she's
Speaker 1: also the co host of the Spanish adaptation of Forgotten
Speaker 1: and he has that absolutely gave me goosebumps when when
Speaker 1: I learned of it. And who's our other host in Spanish?
Speaker 1: The other host is another badass female journalist. Her name
Speaker 1: is Sandra Romandia and Sandra is an investigative journalist in
Speaker 1: Mexico who, like me, grew up near the US Mexico Coborder,
Speaker 1: only she grew up on the south side in the
Speaker 1: state of Sonora. In Sandra, I mean, she's done tremendous
Speaker 1: things in her career, including writing a best selling book
Speaker 1: on narcos in Mexico City. She's done phenomenal work exposing corruption,
Speaker 1: including a story that got some public housing officials fired
Speaker 1: after the twenty seventeen earthquake in Mexico City. I also
Speaker 1: want to mention that the German and Danish versions have
Speaker 1: hosts who are no slouches either. In Denmark, the host
Speaker 1: is going to be Anne Kurtzen, who is an award
Speaker 1: winning journalist who's well known for her work on how
Speaker 1: misogyny affects politics in Denmark. And in Germany there are
Speaker 1: two hosts, Dutson Tekal and Leila Jenisa. Dutson is reported
Speaker 1: on sexual violence perpetrated against Yazdi women by ISIS, and
Speaker 1: Leila has done a lot of work on violence against
Speaker 1: migrant women in Germany. So even the hosts who are
Speaker 1: working on this podcast, I think demonstrate how this podcast
Speaker 1: is both very specific to a certain region but also
Speaker 1: connects to this kind of global women's movement. Yes, universal,
Speaker 1: it's universal, sadly the experience of women around the world.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that there are that there are strong women
Speaker 1: behind behind these adaptations. One of the other big questions
Speaker 1: that kept coming was what's happening now? Do the femicides continue?
Speaker 1: And you obviously on the ground, and I'm wondering how
Speaker 1: you answered that question. Yes, yes, Well, to be perfectly transparent,
Speaker 1: I have spent hardly any time in what is since
Speaker 1: the pandemic began. So I haven't been there on the
Speaker 1: ground myself to get a close up sense of what
Speaker 1: is happening in watts but I do keep up news
Speaker 1: reports there and with colleagues who are working there, And
Speaker 1: what I can tell you is that Wattas right now
Speaker 1: is experiencing what appears to be yet another wave of
Speaker 1: drug violence like we not unlike the wave we experience
Speaker 1: ten years ago in which women were missing and later
Speaker 1: turned up in clandestine graves. Right now, there is a
Speaker 1: lot of drug violence happening in Wattas. It appears again
Speaker 1: to be a dispute between warring drug cartels, and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty closed with roughly sixteen hundred murders, and one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty two of those murders were women, Ten of
Speaker 1: them were underage. Now are the same serial sexual murderers
Speaker 1: that we discuss in the series happening in Wattas. The
Speaker 1: truth is, I'm not entirely sure. What I do know
Speaker 1: is that I'm seeing reports of individual cases that sound
Speaker 1: that have every indication that they are femicides. I've read
Speaker 1: reports of women being murdered in Huatas last year who
Speaker 1: turned up with their hands tied behind their backs, having
Speaker 1: been killed by strangulation, found wrapped in a blanket tossed
Speaker 1: on a street, showing signs of torture and sexual assault.
Speaker 1: So femicide absolutely persists in Suthuth Houattist, and it continues,
Speaker 1: and not only in Huattist, but throughout Mexico. There was
Speaker 1: a very intense article published early last year in Harper's
Speaker 1: magazine looking at femicide in a Lostello Mexico, the state
Speaker 1: of Mexico, which is the state that surrounds the capital,
Speaker 1: Mexico City, and the rise of femicide there. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: there were nine hundred and forty femicides nationwide in Mexico,
Speaker 1: and so it very much continues to be a serious
Speaker 1: problem throughout the country and in Wattas as well, which
Speaker 1: brings us to the next question, which is what can
Speaker 1: we do? Yeah? What can we do? My goodness, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a very very complex question to answer. After our
Speaker 1: series concluded, a lot of people ask me, well, what
Speaker 1: companies should I be boycotting because they've got a factory
Speaker 1: in Wattas, And my goodness, I wish it were that simple,
Speaker 1: but it's not. And the reason being is that you know,
Speaker 1: the these companies make up the guts of things, components
Speaker 1: of things inside our car and our washing machine, in
Speaker 1: our smartphone, and few have recognizable names. There's a few,
Speaker 1: of course, whose names that we recognize who have factories
Speaker 1: in Wattas Boeing, General Election, Trick, Johnson and Johnson. Foxcon
Speaker 1: has a plant in Wattis that makes Dell laptops. But
Speaker 1: the point is it's very tough to boycott the things
Speaker 1: that they make. You can't exactly rip out the electric
Speaker 1: harness in your car, which very likely was assembled in Hottis.
Speaker 1: You can't easily boycott energy generated by wind turbines whose
Speaker 1: blades were made in Wattas. And you could choose not
Speaker 1: to use the WiFi in the Dallas Cowboys Stadium, but
Speaker 1: that's not going to better the conditions for the workers
Speaker 1: who assemble the cables that make that Wi Fi possible.
Speaker 1: So you know, this is why I say it's so complex.
Speaker 1: It's more about rejecting the economic systems that exploit people
Speaker 1: all around the world. And how do you do that?
Speaker 1: I mean this this has to do with larger policy decisions,
Speaker 1: and how do you fluence that well that is somewhat
Speaker 1: simple at the ballot box. Yeah, it's interesting. I have
Speaker 1: another podcast called Sleepwalkers, which is about technology and society
Speaker 1: and our interaction with technology. One of the most interesting
Speaker 1: insights that came out of that podcast is that the
Speaker 1: big technology companies train us to think as consumers, not
Speaker 1: as citizens. And of course, you know, if if price
Speaker 1: and convenience are the two key drivers of decision making,
Speaker 1: we end up with very very very powerful corporations and
Speaker 1: very weak democracy. In other words, sometimes you know, we
Speaker 1: need to make harder choices, but it's not really fair
Speaker 1: to expect us to make those as individuals. One of
Speaker 1: the guests on Sleepwalkers was you of ol Noah Harari,
Speaker 1: who wrote a book called twenty one Lessons for the
Speaker 1: twenty first Century, and he said, the most important thing
Speaker 1: you can do is to organize. Is whether it's a
Speaker 1: group of five or ten, twenty people, just get together,
Speaker 1: set a common cause, and begin to think about steps
Speaker 1: that you can take towards that cause. I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: more as I couldn't agree more. Yes, this collective activism,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things that regrettably we
Speaker 1: didn't get into in the podcast series. Are the stories,
Speaker 1: the countless stories of brave and committed activists who gave
Speaker 1: voice to the injustices happening in insu Love Waters. And
Speaker 1: that's the kind of activism that is lacking and that
Speaker 1: is necessary to create change, whether it's in Mexico or
Speaker 1: in the US or anywhere else in the world. And
Speaker 1: we've forgotten that because, as you say, we've become better
Speaker 1: consumers than citizens, and we need to work as a
Speaker 1: country to change that switch, to switch back to becoming
Speaker 1: better citizens for the sake of our democracy. We have
Speaker 1: all witnessed the ill effects of a deteriorating democracy, and
Speaker 1: I think we should use that as fuel to fortify it,
Speaker 1: to take the actions necessary to fortify our democracy. After
Speaker 1: the break, we discussed the timelessness of this story and
Speaker 1: the importance of continuing to speak out, and in terms
Speaker 1: of more specific things that people can do, Yes, where
Speaker 1: do we fall on that? Okay, yes, there are certainly
Speaker 1: more practical things that we can do, and a few
Speaker 1: of those on my list. You know, first and foremost
Speaker 1: is to stop consuming illegal drugs from Mexico. There's no
Speaker 1: two ways about it. If you purchase drugs from Mexico,
Speaker 1: or if you purchase drugs and you don't know where
Speaker 1: the hell they're coming from. You have blood on your hands.
Speaker 1: Another thing that we can't do directly, but we can.
Speaker 1: It's also a policy related solution, is to enact the
Speaker 1: sort of gun regulation that makes it more difficult to
Speaker 1: smuggle weapons across the border, which are used by drug
Speaker 1: cartels to enforce their own laws and fortify their business.
Speaker 1: The majority of weapons and arms that are used in
Speaker 1: drug violence in Mexico are coming from the United States. So,
Speaker 1: no matter what you think of the Second Amendment, the
Speaker 1: free flow of guns from the US to Mexico contributes
Speaker 1: directly to the violence and mayhem there. And you know
Speaker 1: a third thing I would mention, and it's a very
Speaker 1: simple thing you can do every day, is to stop
Speaker 1: using sexist language. This is something again that we do
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and we don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: We're so numb to it. Phrases like I'm going to
Speaker 1: use expletives here, but motherfucker, son of a bitch calling
Speaker 1: someone a pussy. In Spanish, it would be things like
Speaker 1: chingare These are phrases that imply violence against women, and
Speaker 1: they're insulting to women, and they label women as weaker beings,
Speaker 1: and it validates violence and mistreatment against women, and this
Speaker 1: overall sense that women are inferior or less than human,
Speaker 1: which brings us to a quote that you shed with
Speaker 1: me from a book you've been reading, which I think
Speaker 1: once again speaks to the timelessness of this story, which
Speaker 1: points from the specific to the universe. So what do
Speaker 1: you mind sharing it with us? Yeah, so I want
Speaker 1: to share that. After we finished the series, I felt
Speaker 1: compelled to pick up a book by a writer named
Speaker 1: Nina McLoughlin, and the book is called Wake Siren, Avid
Speaker 1: re Sunk, and it's a retelling of Ovid's metamorphoses from
Speaker 1: the voices of the women in those stories, many of
Speaker 1: whom were the victims of violence. And as I'm reading
Speaker 1: these tales, you know, all I could think of was,
Speaker 1: my God, these tales are two thousand years old, and
Speaker 1: this has been happening since the beginning of time. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the violence against women that struck me,
Speaker 1: but it was the power imbalance between the gods and
Speaker 1: the mortals. Because the gods, who are just as fallible
Speaker 1: as humans, but their power hour goes unchecked, and therein
Speaker 1: lies the problem back then, and therein lies the problem today.
Speaker 1: Another thing that struck me about this book was during
Speaker 1: one of our interviews, Paula told me that she looks
Speaker 1: at the night sky and sees her daughter in the stars,
Speaker 1: and she believes that all of the murdered women have
Speaker 1: become constellations. And of course, in Metamorphoses, there's the story
Speaker 1: of Callisto, who's raped by a god and she and
Speaker 1: her son become two constellations in the sky, the Big
Speaker 1: Bear and the Little Bear. And Paula remembers learning about
Speaker 1: this constellation as a as a kid in school, so
Speaker 1: that that connection was somewhat eerie and moving at the
Speaker 1: at the same time. I've always associated the stars with
Speaker 1: my daughter. I've always said that my daughter is one
Speaker 1: of those stars that's always shining brightly. You know how
Speaker 1: we look up at constellations like the Great Bear and
Speaker 1: the Lesser Bear, those we learned about in school. I
Speaker 1: still look for them, and I think that all the
Speaker 1: girls who have been murdered are connected to the stars,
Speaker 1: that one of those stars could be my daughter. Towards
Speaker 1: the end of Nina's book, she retells another story, the
Speaker 1: story of the Sirens, and you'll remember that these are
Speaker 1: the women who supposedly lure men to their deaths with
Speaker 1: their irresistible song, and their portrayed is these monsters. But
Speaker 1: what's less known is that originally the sirens were three
Speaker 1: young women who were searching for their missing friend, a
Speaker 1: young goddess who was kidnapped and raped by the king
Speaker 1: of the underworld. And these girls one day they were
Speaker 1: out picking flowers and singing in the meadow when their
Speaker 1: friend was snatched away. And in Nina's version, the sirens
Speaker 1: continue to sing after the loss of their friend, and
Speaker 1: so she writes this in the voice of the sirens,
Speaker 1: She writes, do our harmonies haunt and vise the mind,
Speaker 1: pressing out all sense? Do men sometimes leap from their
Speaker 1: boats and try to swim to where our voices are? Oh, sister,
Speaker 1: yes they do. Is it our fault or our intention?
Speaker 1: Oh sister, it is not. We sing a song of consequence.
Speaker 1: We sing a song of cost. They know it so,
Speaker 1: and call us monsters. Then she continues a few lines later, now, sing,
Speaker 1: oh sister, sing and sing and sing will join our
Speaker 1: voices in the chorus, and the sound will rise like bells,
Speaker 1: like wind, like strings, like prayer. The song that's yours
Speaker 1: to sing louder, louder, you'll see And if the song
Speaker 1: doesn't land and light the dark, sister, keep singing your song, holy, consequential, true.
Speaker 1: So why why do I share this with you? As
Speaker 1: I guess at the beginning of the series, I didn't
Speaker 1: think that I could sing this song again, sing sing
Speaker 1: the story of this song again. And in fact, I
Speaker 1: still have my doubts. I doubt it all the time
Speaker 1: whether I can continue singing this song that's been sung
Speaker 1: for thousands of years now, since the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: It's exhausting for all of us. But reading this passage
Speaker 1: in Nina's book reminds me that absolutely, we must continue singing.
Speaker 1: We must continue denouncing the injustice. And as Nina writes,
Speaker 1: it's a song that's holy, it's a song that's consequential,
Speaker 1: and it's a song that's true. So beautifully put money.
Speaker 1: It puts me back in mind of that International Women's
Speaker 1: Day March that you attended this time last year. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's precisely. That's precisely the feeling I had at the
Speaker 1: end of the march, And it's precisely the feeling that
Speaker 1: I had after reading Nina's book, and it's something that
Speaker 1: we need a constant reminder of. We need to keep singing,
Speaker 1: we need to keep denouncing, we need to keep finding
Speaker 1: the sources of fuel to continue to do so. You
Speaker 1: can listen Who've Forgotten wunaquires now in Spanish on the
Speaker 1: Polymo app, and from March twenty second it will be
Speaker 1: available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Just search for Olivia Lass You're known
Speaker 1: see do You Know No sque Halla Felicia Forgotten. The
Speaker 1: Women of Juarez is co hosted by Me Monica and
Speaker 1: me Oz Veloschen. Forgotten is executive produced by Me and
Speaker 1: Mangesh Hattikida. This episode was mixed by Jessica Krinchich. The
Speaker 1: production coordinator is Lindsay Hoffman and the supervising producer Julian Weller.
Speaker 1: Special thanks to Eva Lexca of Polimo and Carrie Lieberman
Speaker 1: of iHeart for the passion and commitment to making these
Speaker 1: multi language adaptations possible