Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she
Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and
Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me
Speaker 1: advice to many occasions and occasion didn't notice I'm not broke.
Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interview with celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and
Speaker 1: industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do. It's
Speaker 1: what he likes to share. Now it's time to hear
Speaker 1: from my man, Rashan McDonald. Money Making Conversations. Here we come. Yes,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rashan McDonald.
Speaker 1: Each money Making Conversation is about entrepreneurship and entertainment. I
Speaker 1: recognize that we all have different definitions of success. For
Speaker 1: some it's ascizable paychecks. Mine is helping people wake up
Speaker 1: and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and live their
Speaker 1: very best life. These are my passions. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do for everybody who listening to my show,
Speaker 1: some people catching on video, majority listening on via podcast.
Speaker 1: I want you to stop tripping over small challenges and
Speaker 1: preparator rise above the bigger ops circles that life will
Speaker 1: present to you, and it's very important to understand it's
Speaker 1: all about you. Focus on you will yourself to success.
Speaker 1: That's the story of my next guest, Lacre. He is
Speaker 1: recognized as the first artist to have an album hit
Speaker 1: the charts at number one for both Billboard two hundred
Speaker 1: and the Gospel Charts simultaneously. His ninth album and accompanying
Speaker 1: documentary that's going to be associated with the album, Restoration,
Speaker 1: features artists across all genres, including my Man John Legend,
Speaker 1: my Man, Kurt Franklin, and y k O Cyrus. His
Speaker 1: work is fueled by building bridges, changing narratives, empowering their disenfranchised,
Speaker 1: and restoring the dignity of those on the margins. In
Speaker 1: this new book, which I read this morning, I am restored.
Speaker 1: How I lost my religion but found my faith. He
Speaker 1: shares how he found the courage to stop ignoring his
Speaker 1: trauma and instead to begin working through it step by step.
Speaker 1: Please welcome the money making conversations my man Lokraiz and
Speaker 1: say about you. Look at far I brought your online up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the beauty of you, Like I tell you,
Speaker 1: the first time I got to see you perform whats
Speaker 1: uh in Houston that was doing the Super Bowl weekend
Speaker 1: and and even even though I didn't know you, I
Speaker 1: knew there was a gifted person speaking there singing at
Speaker 1: that time. But at the time also you will dealing
Speaker 1: with a lot of trauma in your life, and but
Speaker 1: you're able to mask that and not allow it to
Speaker 1: affect your abilities as an author, performing artists. Talk to
Speaker 1: those different steps. And then we're gonna go through the
Speaker 1: book that uh wonderful book, I won't wonderfully honest book
Speaker 1: and I think a necessary read that I'm recommend to
Speaker 1: all my all, my putting it in my mailing list
Speaker 1: that goes out to fans on Wednesday, which is tomorrow,
Speaker 1: ninety thousand people. You know, I got over a million
Speaker 1: social media follows, so you'll see me posting it there.
Speaker 1: Because when you when people release information to the general
Speaker 1: population because you are celebrity. We talk about it in
Speaker 1: your book being a celebrity, and sometimes being a celebrity
Speaker 1: allows you to be a victim of your success because
Speaker 1: people can to dissect a celebrity or an important person
Speaker 1: versus an everyday person kind of like skates through And
Speaker 1: you know, your book tells that story, but talk about
Speaker 1: you know, performing even though you're dealing with a lot
Speaker 1: of emotional drama. Yeah. You know, sometimes I think you
Speaker 1: you wear that face that you just put on, those
Speaker 1: lenses that allow you to just keep going and pushing
Speaker 1: through without dealing with the problems and the trauma. And
Speaker 1: you allow uh successes to define you instead of, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you being successful out of a healthy and
Speaker 1: whole version of yourself. You're allowing the successes to convince
Speaker 1: you that you are healthy and whole. And I think
Speaker 1: that's that's a very different thing. And so for me,
Speaker 1: it was it was a matter of becoming a healthy,
Speaker 1: whole individual and dealing with some historical traumas and um
Speaker 1: and recognizing that, uh, you know, I was a slave
Speaker 1: to uh what other people wanted of me and not
Speaker 1: being who I was created to be and uh and
Speaker 1: that that that meant all? Did you say that? Now?
Speaker 1: With your book titled you Know I Am Restored How
Speaker 1: I Lost my religion but found my faith, I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you what is the difference between religion and faith?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Um, you know, I think, uh
Speaker 1: a lot of us are tied to religion and religion
Speaker 1: is essentially performing to be accepted. Religion is performing trying
Speaker 1: to do all the right things so that God will
Speaker 1: accept you or maybe that other people will accept you.
Speaker 1: And and faith or relationship is more about saying, I
Speaker 1: know I've been accepted, so let me function out of
Speaker 1: that acceptance. Let me do the right things because I've
Speaker 1: been accepted. And so I always say it like this.
Speaker 1: If I come home to my wife and I knock
Speaker 1: on the door and I handed some flowers and say, EGO,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do this, that's religion, and I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna squeak on the couch that uh but but but
Speaker 1: but faith or relationship is me coming home and say, man,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you all day and you just
Speaker 1: you're so wonderful and I appreciate you so much. I
Speaker 1: just brought you these flowers because you're amazing. And I
Speaker 1: don't I have faith. You know, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but probably something is gonna happen because of
Speaker 1: that reality. And that's that's really interesting you to say that,
Speaker 1: because people, you know, people will question your faith before
Speaker 1: they question your religion. They were, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting that that happens like that. And that's why
Speaker 1: I asked that question between religion and faith, because people
Speaker 1: will they will challenge your faith. They'll challenge you because
Speaker 1: your faith can be tied to so many things. You know,
Speaker 1: where you live, how you walk, how you talk, or
Speaker 1: how much money you make, how much what your expectations
Speaker 1: for yourself, for your family, that can be that word
Speaker 1: faith has such an expansive term to it, but it's
Speaker 1: also tied to religion and it allows you to its
Speaker 1: over when I'm reading a book which is, like I said,
Speaker 1: a third read about From your Childhood to Adulthood, and Uh,
Speaker 1: it really amazed me because if the talk of being
Speaker 1: a healthy person, which is really key in the day,
Speaker 1: and I think that plays in every chapter in the
Speaker 1: book as you talk about being a man and being
Speaker 1: a young man and being a young boy, meeting your
Speaker 1: father and and he picking you up and you're thinking
Speaker 1: that's a great moment of life and then gets what
Speaker 1: he basically kicked you to the curve, which was one
Speaker 1: of those unhealthy moments in your life when you're trying
Speaker 1: to live a life as a healthy person. Correct, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I mean that's that's that's A huge part of
Speaker 1: it is is, uh, you know, not having those those models.
Speaker 1: You know, you can only be what you've seen, you
Speaker 1: can only become what you've bailed and so not having
Speaker 1: those models becomes a traumatic thing for for a lot
Speaker 1: of us. And and uh, and so I'm just that's
Speaker 1: really interesting when I talk to you. The first time
Speaker 1: I talked to you, like could say, it was like
Speaker 1: I knew you, but we were developing a relationship. Now
Speaker 1: the second time around, I'm much more comfortable on how
Speaker 1: HARD speak to you. And it's really based on reading
Speaker 1: this book. And because we all have dark sides. You know,
Speaker 1: when I say dark sides, secrets we don't reveal. We
Speaker 1: lived through life with it, but we won't tell even
Speaker 1: our closest loved ones. You know, I have them, and
Speaker 1: you're sharing a lot of them in this book. And
Speaker 1: you know, and and I have been fortunate to to
Speaker 1: have been a popular stand up comedian and you and
Speaker 1: in your book you're talking about you know, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're in a church, you knows you kind of
Speaker 1: know who your audience is. And I remember when I
Speaker 1: was in the comedy club, I kind of know who
Speaker 1: my audience is. But when I got booked in a
Speaker 1: nightclub or booked in a private party, I really didn't
Speaker 1: know who I was performing too, and it always put
Speaker 1: additional stress in my mind on how to relate to
Speaker 1: these people are if they will relate to me? And
Speaker 1: you know when you talk about your spirits opening up
Speaker 1: for Kevin Hard at the you know, at these at
Speaker 1: the Mercedes being super Dome and you're looking at the audience,
Speaker 1: who you know, we're here for Kevin Harll okay, and
Speaker 1: but you're going out there not knowing How does that?
Speaker 1: How does that work in your mind when you when
Speaker 1: you're in that environment, you know you know they're here
Speaker 1: for the because he's filled up, He filled up the dome. Okay,
Speaker 1: You're blessed to be an opening act for him, and
Speaker 1: because it allows you to grow your brand? How does
Speaker 1: that trigger in your mind from a performing standpoint, who
Speaker 1: you are you trying to relate to everybody? You're trying
Speaker 1: to just get them to understand the CRAE experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what it is is a lot of it
Speaker 1: is like you said, understanding how to read the room
Speaker 1: is understanding what people are there for and um and
Speaker 1: and finding some common ground and and being able to
Speaker 1: connect to people in a real way. And I think
Speaker 1: authenticity is is where you can always win. You know,
Speaker 1: people craveing longer for authenticity. But it's a hard thing
Speaker 1: for us to do because we're so worried about what
Speaker 1: everybody thinks. But how how authentic and connecting what it
Speaker 1: has been for me to just come out and say,
Speaker 1: I know, y'all at for me. I know you'll want
Speaker 1: to see gem hard. You know, that's that's immediately gonna
Speaker 1: endear people to me, immediately, gonna make them say, okay,
Speaker 1: keeping it real and now all I hear what this
Speaker 1: guy has to say. And so I think that's that's it.
Speaker 1: It's a big piece of life, you know, because of
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, eleven years old, you walk
Speaker 1: on stage and you bust out with a wrap and
Speaker 1: everybody now not gives you value. And and in my
Speaker 1: book and your book, you know, and I'm end of
Speaker 1: your look craze here this book I am restored, How
Speaker 1: to How I Lost my religion but found my faith.
Speaker 1: Each chapter is about value and that's the part of healthiness.
Speaker 1: But in order to achieve value, if I'm reading this wrong,
Speaker 1: you have to admit and go public with what's bothering
Speaker 1: you inside? With that draw that alma, you know, that
Speaker 1: chaos as you talk about, and when did you really
Speaker 1: start realizing that because black the Black community is really
Speaker 1: interesting community. Were we are in denial community, were in
Speaker 1: denial about COVID and aint, when the denial about our
Speaker 1: eating habits, when denial about gay gay community, we're denied.
Speaker 1: We we're just an in denial community. And it holds
Speaker 1: us back a lot. And so and it also it's
Speaker 1: in deniable when it comes to mental and social stress,
Speaker 1: you know, not admitting that we we have issues that
Speaker 1: should be somebody should be talking to us about, and
Speaker 1: that that that false ability to move forward, not emitting
Speaker 1: that we are a flawed community, and uh holds us back.
Speaker 1: And so that in it turn, in turn, will did
Speaker 1: some some setbacks for you because you couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: what was wrong with you. You're you're you're you're hitting
Speaker 1: the hammer on a nail. Uh. A big piece of
Speaker 1: our struggle, um is what what what what someone called
Speaker 1: post traumatic slave syndrome right and and and post traumatic
Speaker 1: slave syndrome is we have adopted and adapted these views
Speaker 1: that were instilled in our ancestors that we are. We're
Speaker 1: almost like um uh cattle, and we can just be
Speaker 1: driven and and pushed and pushed and pushed until no end.
Speaker 1: And the problem is we're not addressing our traumas, we're
Speaker 1: not addressing our pains, we're not addressing our fears. We're
Speaker 1: treating ourselves like animals. You know, I say sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: you can be a speedboat or you can be a
Speaker 1: raft or a sailboat. And a speedboat is the thing
Speaker 1: that can plow through you know, and just I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna make it all the way, especially going around the gas,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna be out in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ocean just floating. And and nobody wants to be
Speaker 1: a raft where you don't have any sense of direction.
Speaker 1: And so the reality is we have to become sailboat.
Speaker 1: And the sailboat takes us acknowledging the way the wind
Speaker 1: is blowing so you can adjust your sales. It takes
Speaker 1: a little bit of work, it takes some thought, it
Speaker 1: takes some time, and not just plowing through stuff. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of our problem. Um. We
Speaker 1: want to catch up, you know, in society, we've been
Speaker 1: held back so long and we're trying to catch up,
Speaker 1: so we won't acknowledge our emotions or the problems, and
Speaker 1: the pain is just too much to acknowledge, so we're
Speaker 1: live in denial instead of becoming healthy and whole um,
Speaker 1: which is you know, if you want to be successful
Speaker 1: in life, it's gonna first start with with being healthy
Speaker 1: and whole. Everything else is in addition to that if
Speaker 1: you want to you know, every million dollars you make
Speaker 1: is has way more value if you're healthy and the
Speaker 1: whole person. But if you are an emotional and mental
Speaker 1: and spiritual disaster, a million dollars is not going to
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Speaker 1: to money making Conversations UM your host Sean McDonald. I
Speaker 1: always help people. My my goals in life are tied
Speaker 1: to my experience, because not my not my money. Because
Speaker 1: if I never go in the deal, I mean to
Speaker 1: be honest with the crew, I'm never going to deal
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how much money I'm gonna make.
Speaker 1: It's about the relationships. He's about to what do I
Speaker 1: get out of it for my brand, for my career.
Speaker 1: Because I always know that I'm gonna make money. That's
Speaker 1: just that's just an idea. My wife would go, I
Speaker 1: don't know why you ever worry about money, because you're
Speaker 1: gonna make it. You're gonna figure out how to make it.
Speaker 1: And That's just been a skill set I've had since
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, eighteen years old, and I've carried it
Speaker 1: through because I'm just a guy who sits around just
Speaker 1: thinking about how to make money, and and and and
Speaker 1: when I when I look at your your brand, you know,
Speaker 1: you know your entrepreneur, you're an activist, you know you.
Speaker 1: Of course we know your talent from you working on
Speaker 1: this documentary with your new your ninth album. All these
Speaker 1: different layers started where though, you know, because like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, you know you all, you know because your
Speaker 1: father was in your life, your your mom. You put
Speaker 1: you in a situation with what with a man who
Speaker 1: who physically abused you from a standpoint, struck you, and
Speaker 1: which which intimidated you and didn't put that with that
Speaker 1: decision make you know whether he could come back into
Speaker 1: the house on you, okay? And what was you supposed
Speaker 1: to say no? You know? And so so where where
Speaker 1: along the way did you start shaping the desire to
Speaker 1: be this be la craze m M. You know what
Speaker 1: I think, um, the journey of all that pain and trauma,
Speaker 1: UM that the place where I found the most health
Speaker 1: was being was expressing myself, you know, expressing myself through
Speaker 1: initially poetry and then it turned into music and and
Speaker 1: that that's a even if you go to therapy now,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you that's one of the biggest things you
Speaker 1: need to do. You need to start writing things down
Speaker 1: because something happens with your mind, if your brain chemistry.
Speaker 1: Once you start writing out the things that that that
Speaker 1: your experience and it's journal and or a diary, it
Speaker 1: is very helpful for you. And so that that's where
Speaker 1: I learned the healthy technique. The problem for me was
Speaker 1: some of the darkest corners of my world. You know,
Speaker 1: I was not ready to deal with. I was not
Speaker 1: ready to to wrestle with in the process, and so
Speaker 1: it took a mental collapse for me. It took me,
Speaker 1: took my mind and my body having to shut down.
Speaker 1: You know they some people call a CEO syndrome where
Speaker 1: the stresses of life just overwhelm you all at one
Speaker 1: one time, and the body keeps the score. So your
Speaker 1: mind may say, well, what happened to me attend was
Speaker 1: was you know, a million years ago, but your body
Speaker 1: is saying it might as well have been yesterday. So
Speaker 1: you're just piling up stuff, all the trauma from your childhood,
Speaker 1: and now you're in your adulthood and maybe you have
Speaker 1: kids and that's adding more stuff. And now you're working
Speaker 1: on deals and you're working on career. All this stuff
Speaker 1: is piling, piling up, and if you're not addressing it,
Speaker 1: eventually it's gonna catch up to you. And so you
Speaker 1: you have to be able to decompress and address uh,
Speaker 1: those those particular issues in order to to find It's
Speaker 1: really important that people understand that you have to find yourself.
Speaker 1: And despite all my success La Craze, I didn't really
Speaker 1: find myself till I was in my forties. You know,
Speaker 1: people will tell me I was showing you successful, But
Speaker 1: I was successful because I accomplished things here. But when
Speaker 1: I say that I was successful because I accomplished things,
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily meant that I was accomplishing things that
Speaker 1: made me happy. And that's why I always speak to
Speaker 1: people is that you know a lot of people there
Speaker 1: they'll stopped there in their career because guess what, they're
Speaker 1: not happy making money that way, and so guess what,
Speaker 1: it'll eventually catch up with you. That's why companies file bankruptcy.
Speaker 1: That's why companies closed because the vision of the vision,
Speaker 1: they're a person, visionary person who was tied to it
Speaker 1: just stopped thinking because that didn't make them happy. And
Speaker 1: so this book, when I talk, when I listened to you,
Speaker 1: it is a journey in finding your happiness, because if
Speaker 1: you don't find that happiness, there's not a fifty year
Speaker 1: old krez sixty year old Kreze that we have today.
Speaker 1: Am I correct when I say that? Absolutely? Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: you won't you I won't. It's not gonna. It's not gonna.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna ride there, and and and that's you
Speaker 1: know case. And point is that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times you don't even know the things that will
Speaker 1: ultimately bring you happiness or bring you joy because you
Speaker 1: haven't done enough work to know who you are. And
Speaker 1: so you're looking at what everyone else has, thinking that well,
Speaker 1: if I get what they get, then i'll be happy,
Speaker 1: then I'll be healthy, instead of understanding who you are,
Speaker 1: and you're wiring and and and realize that no, this
Speaker 1: is what's gonna bring you that. And I had to
Speaker 1: go through that exact same process in me, thinking that
Speaker 1: if I could just be as famous as this person
Speaker 1: or as renowned as this person, And truthfully, that's not
Speaker 1: the way that God created me. You know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur by nature. You know, I like performing and
Speaker 1: I like art. But end of the day, I found
Speaker 1: a lot more purpose when I'm building things and I'm
Speaker 1: architecting things, and I'm giving other people opportunities. And so
Speaker 1: when I'm using all my energy on creating opportunities for myself,
Speaker 1: I'm not as I'm not as happy. But when I'm
Speaker 1: creating opportunities for other people, you know, then I find
Speaker 1: more I find a more fulfilling. I want to do
Speaker 1: good in society, but I also want to do well financially.
Speaker 1: So you can do you do it well. You can't
Speaker 1: do good but doing, but you have to be happy
Speaker 1: doing it though for long term. And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about in his interview. I don't want everybody to
Speaker 1: hear this is that you know, you go out there
Speaker 1: and make a lot of money. I would tell people
Speaker 1: life should not be tied to the lottery effect, you know,
Speaker 1: just waiting on that money, waiting on that moment, you
Speaker 1: build a career in your and you and you people
Speaker 1: around you that can support you. I know I've survived
Speaker 1: this career because I've had a couple of key people
Speaker 1: in my life that whenever I doubted myself the craze,
Speaker 1: they told me be Rashwan, be with Shaw. They should
Speaker 1: be You. Don't care what they're saying. Do be you now?
Speaker 1: Be you has helped out a lot of people. Here
Speaker 1: be you trust you? And because because success man and
Speaker 1: in reading this book and reading about the chaos, reading
Speaker 1: about the trauma. We talk about the molestation, the we
Speaker 1: can talk about the physical abuse. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: life abusive as a successful people can go through if
Speaker 1: you don't have the right people around you and you
Speaker 1: don't admit that you need help, right, yes, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: You know what It's funny if if you The problem
Speaker 1: for a lot of us is that there is freedom
Speaker 1: in confession, but there's always gonna be suffering and suppression
Speaker 1: and and and denial will always lead to death. If
Speaker 1: you're talking about a life threatening disease, right you, you
Speaker 1: cannot deny that you have it, it's gonna be detrimental
Speaker 1: for you, you know, And acknowledging is always painful, but
Speaker 1: denial is always deadly. And that's what I want people
Speaker 1: to understand. Acknowledging is gonna be painful, but denial is deadly.
Speaker 1: When you can acknowledge that you have these issues in
Speaker 1: your life, then it is hurtful. It is painful, it
Speaker 1: is hard to to plow through, but to deny it,
Speaker 1: it's deadly for you. And so you'll never be who
Speaker 1: you were created to be. You'll never walk in the
Speaker 1: fullness that you were created to walk in if you
Speaker 1: keep denying you know the issues that are going on
Speaker 1: in your world, and I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: just don't realize that. Um, you know, my story is
Speaker 1: is like you said, there's there's all the major traumas
Speaker 1: that you can experience. You know, I've gone through them,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I don't care what you've experienced
Speaker 1: in life. I don't care if it's death, division, UH, discrimination, divorce, debt,
Speaker 1: um all those things can be restored if you can
Speaker 1: acknowledge the pain that they have brought you and then
Speaker 1: move forward. You know, when reading your book, UH, interviewing
Speaker 1: the Craze just in case people may have just tuned in,
Speaker 1: you know, his book I'm were discussing I Am Restored,
Speaker 1: how I lost my religion but found my faith, a
Speaker 1: couple of courtions. I want to bring back up now
Speaker 1: the book, the album. Want to flip to the album
Speaker 1: right quick, because you're doing a documentary tied to the album. Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that is that? Is that going to be a documentary?
Speaker 1: We'll see you on like a Netflix or an Amazon.
Speaker 1: It's just something that's available that you're putting out that
Speaker 1: so we can go to your your website, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean your YouTube challenge to see Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: can check this out. It's the video series is uh
Speaker 1: is on YouTube now and and there'll be a longer
Speaker 1: form documentary that will come out down the line. But
Speaker 1: but this this web series, you can see me addressing
Speaker 1: the chaos in my world. You know, I meet my
Speaker 1: father for the very first time on this on this
Speaker 1: video series, and so people are able to see you
Speaker 1: know that you're trying to run a successful business, you're
Speaker 1: trying to raise a family, you're trying to be a leader,
Speaker 1: and you have to deal with meeting your father for
Speaker 1: the first time and many people would run from that
Speaker 1: reality and say I got way too much for my
Speaker 1: plate to be dealing with that. But I knew that
Speaker 1: there was a piece of me that would not be
Speaker 1: whole until I had that meeting. I didn't have any expectations.
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying, now me and him are gonna be
Speaker 1: best of friends and we're gonna make up for lost time.
Speaker 1: But I knew that I had questions that I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask, and maybe I wouldn't get the answers I wanted,
Speaker 1: but I knew I didn't want to go to my
Speaker 1: grave without asking some of those some of those questions.
Speaker 1: And that's, uh, hey man, you know, I'm Roushan McDonald.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of great things in my life.
Speaker 1: But if you put together a documentary, let's talk if
Speaker 1: you if you don't have anybody else talking to you,
Speaker 1: because because I I I draw talking to you, and
Speaker 1: you have a voice that um that shapes this world,
Speaker 1: not just the community, this world, and uh you articulate,
Speaker 1: you're smart and look good and plus more important that
Speaker 1: you have a story to tell that is tied to trauma,
Speaker 1: It's tied to honesty, and it's tied to faith. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's feel really okay. And uh and and and it's
Speaker 1: important that you know I've learned when I when I
Speaker 1: talk to people that have a unique point of points
Speaker 1: of views, that I have to let them know what
Speaker 1: I think. And it's something that you know. Your YouTube
Speaker 1: channel is great. In fact, I'm I'm I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: at the interview that you have when you first met
Speaker 1: your day and I probably put in our newsletter to
Speaker 1: let people see another side of you, honest side of you,
Speaker 1: because in Hollywood, it's really interesting that you know, we're
Speaker 1: we're put under and that's just the celebrities or athletes
Speaker 1: were put on the microscope based on what you know,
Speaker 1: but not the life that we live. When I say
Speaker 1: that is that you know, it's we have made up
Speaker 1: on when we hit camera, we we speak a certain way.
Speaker 1: A lot of times when we hit the camera, we
Speaker 1: perform a certain way. When we walk off that stage
Speaker 1: and get out of that arena, then that's a different life.
Speaker 1: And sometimes were held accountable to what they saw on
Speaker 1: TV or what they saw in the movie or what
Speaker 1: they saw on the performance. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1: Lokraiz mm hmm. Man, you know honestly, you've got to uh.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is discernment. A lot of it
Speaker 1: is is recognizing and realizing that some relationships you walk into, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, relationally, and some people walk into transactionally, you know,
Speaker 1: and you've got to be able to decide which is
Speaker 1: which because a lot of the relationships in the entertainment
Speaker 1: space are transactional that they may seem like their relational
Speaker 1: people may come at you and say, hey, let's let's
Speaker 1: hang out, let's be friends, but it's gonna take some
Speaker 1: time for you to understand who your real friends are
Speaker 1: and not to not to allow people who say, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what they think about you, and and not
Speaker 1: tell a lot of those voices to dictate who you
Speaker 1: really are. So I look like being a professional athlete
Speaker 1: is everyone's gonna say something from the sideline, But you
Speaker 1: got to realize who your teammates are and who are
Speaker 1: the people who want the best for you. Those are
Speaker 1: the voices that you that you have to listen to.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's one of the biggest things that
Speaker 1: I had to learn early on, is that you know,
Speaker 1: all those voices are not voices that I need to
Speaker 1: listen and read the book. Look crazy, um, when you
Speaker 1: brought up Calvinism. Okay, now you know, uh, A very
Speaker 1: few people know Calvinism. You know. I am early in
Speaker 1: my college career, I took a European history and I
Speaker 1: learned about the Roman Catholicism and how and how Calvinism
Speaker 1: was born out. They were just tired. It was tired,
Speaker 1: and so so I just smiled when I got to
Speaker 1: that part of your book. I go, wow, I've read
Speaker 1: a lot of books in my life. This is probably
Speaker 1: the first book I read since college that articulated Calvinism.
Speaker 1: And it was important in your development. And so tell
Speaker 1: everybody about that, because that's why I said, Man, you know,
Speaker 1: when I read that, I said, I gotta have a
Speaker 1: bigger part. Well, you're not gonna I'm based in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I just bought it. I just bought it for my
Speaker 1: office in Atlanta. I'm headquartered here and uh, fourth quarters
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. And it was just so many things
Speaker 1: in that book that needs to be You need to
Speaker 1: be talking to other people with it based on it.
Speaker 1: You understand that I'm saying this is a this is
Speaker 1: a series to me, and that you should be hunsting
Speaker 1: that you should be translating that's that's black, that's white,
Speaker 1: that's that's feel with different different layers as minority community,
Speaker 1: because like you, like you, I had success as a
Speaker 1: stand up comedian in the white community before Death Comedy
Speaker 1: Jam came out there. And then when I proceeded to
Speaker 1: be koind of go over to death commity and looked
Speaker 1: at me like I didn't belong. Hey, uh, you can't
Speaker 1: make black people. Okay, don't do that. And I had
Speaker 1: to prove myself the same thing with my business world.
Speaker 1: I graduated with a math degree and I worked in
Speaker 1: and went to work for ib AM. I to achieve
Speaker 1: for one with deemed the ultimate passage into the white
Speaker 1: corporate world. I was working for Big Blue. You know,
Speaker 1: that's all you want, you know, So that wasn't enough
Speaker 1: for me. I said, I wanted to be an entertainer.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a stand up comedian. And so
Speaker 1: there's so many layers that talking to you and reading
Speaker 1: this book allows me to understand that you have a
Speaker 1: unique point of view that really this book is cool.
Speaker 1: For man, it's some other stories we gotta tell, brother,
Speaker 1: you and I gotta tell together. I like that, I
Speaker 1: like that you. You you use somebody what we say,
Speaker 1: has range, you know what I mean. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of folks, you know, they can walk in
Speaker 1: a lot of different worlds. That that shows that they
Speaker 1: have some range. They've been exposed to a lot of
Speaker 1: different places. So I find that interesting that that that
Speaker 1: that you even know some of those those things, that
Speaker 1: just shows your range. So I love it. I might
Speaker 1: have to just try to pull up on your build
Speaker 1: if I was just you know, man, you know the
Speaker 1: fact that you wrote a fantastic book. But but I
Speaker 1: don't want to remiss tell everybody about Calvinism before we
Speaker 1: leave this show, because I tell you something I tell
Speaker 1: that changed my life man in college. But i'd about
Speaker 1: that man, Lutheranism and Calvinism and gold over to England.
Speaker 1: Oh brother, come on that. Yeah. So so a lot
Speaker 1: of times, you know, essentially, you you look at the
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic Church and and you saw, like, uh, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of rules that were added to Bible,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, A lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of amendments were made and it became
Speaker 1: seen as gospel truth. And all of this stuff is
Speaker 1: happening in Europe. Meanwhile, the Bible is an Eastern you
Speaker 1: know faith. You know that was Christianity was in Africa
Speaker 1: long before whatever in Europe. But but but then you
Speaker 1: get you know, John Calvin and Martin Luther and these
Speaker 1: individuals who you know are railing against the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: and UH and and they kind of create what we
Speaker 1: call Protestantism UH today, which is taken root in America,
Speaker 1: which is you know, pretty much what American Christianity is.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is built off of of that perspective,
Speaker 1: which is very European in nature. And so it though,
Speaker 1: and I say it's about everything, you know, there's always
Speaker 1: some truth mixed in with the lives. And that's how
Speaker 1: people get fooled, is because there's always some truth mixed
Speaker 1: in with the lives. And so there's lots of great
Speaker 1: UH points and things that I think people can appreciate,
Speaker 1: but you also have to remember that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of cultural nuances that really don't fit who we are
Speaker 1: and are not really applicable to the Bible. And so
Speaker 1: I think people have to realize that when they when
Speaker 1: they approach it and just realized how much the European
Speaker 1: culture um has been transposed over to us more so
Speaker 1: than actual guy's words that when I read that, that
Speaker 1: opened my eyes. Man, That's why college changed my life.
Speaker 1: I always tell people go to college, college because high
Speaker 1: school they deny you son information. You see what Donald
Speaker 1: Trump trying to do right now. You know, don't live
Speaker 1: from don't want to don't want the truth to be
Speaker 1: read because it acknowledges that when you're trying to take
Speaker 1: down these Confederate statutes, there's a reason not to glorify
Speaker 1: when you realize these folks were attempting and so we
Speaker 1: called black lives matters thugs. You know that that you
Speaker 1: gain knowledge, information, information by being allowed to openly learned.
Speaker 1: That's what college did for me. And when I took
Speaker 1: that course, man, it's like wow, really And and I
Speaker 1: want to close with this interesting story that you had
Speaker 1: when you was in Egypt and the God wasn't meaning
Speaker 1: from a religious perspective, was from a historical perspective, and
Speaker 1: she was talking about the worst Pharah and then you
Speaker 1: and then you went from a religious perspective, you go,
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? And so what because of the
Speaker 1: fact that we are so guided by religion that we
Speaker 1: can allow facts to be misinterpreted and that I'm chancing
Speaker 1: to me. You have a great book, you great by
Speaker 1: I think you just this dude read my book. I
Speaker 1: have to be respectful and understanding that you didn't. You
Speaker 1: know you did this for a reason, and your career
Speaker 1: has allowed me to believe that you're trying to change
Speaker 1: lives and really, in reading this book allowed me to
Speaker 1: see a personal side of you, and then a side
Speaker 1: of you that says, Okay, I gotta do better, I
Speaker 1: gotta do better. I wake up with that whole attitude
Speaker 1: I gotta do better, and I gotta do better. Not
Speaker 1: for myself because I feel that I I do this
Speaker 1: podcast as because I'm trying to make other people do
Speaker 1: better or hear better, or learn better or get some
Speaker 1: facts about it. This interview I'm doing with you is
Speaker 1: an open interview about people hearing about somebody who's telling
Speaker 1: them go by this book because it enabled Rushan McDonald's
Speaker 1: see some things about Lacre that enables me to understand
Speaker 1: that I can do better. I can be honest about myself.
Speaker 1: If I feel there's a dark side of me, tell
Speaker 1: somebody it's all right, it's all good. That's your book, man,
Speaker 1: that I appreciate you Lakreze, I really do, man. And
Speaker 1: like I said, this is my second time interview, and
Speaker 1: you and I the first time. It's a good interview.
Speaker 1: But this is an interview from a from a sole
Speaker 1: perspective that our journeys are are definitely gonna be uh
Speaker 1: even bigger in the future, man, because you're special, lucre
Speaker 1: And I think you may got the ninth album dropping,
Speaker 1: you know, dropped in August. You got October thirteenth. The
Speaker 1: book comes out um on YouTube right now as a series.
Speaker 1: But you and I, You and I got to my backyard.
Speaker 1: I got a little lake. Man. We go fishing. That's
Speaker 1: where I go. That's where I go to the crazy
Speaker 1: life is bad for me. I have to go down
Speaker 1: there and wash that water. That water at water at
Speaker 1: water calms me, man, because and and and and and
Speaker 1: my property. It drops down just enough. Well I can't
Speaker 1: see any cars, No, I can't see anything. And it
Speaker 1: just allowed me to look at that water man, and uh,
Speaker 1: catch your fish and throw it right back and give
Speaker 1: it back to God. Man. That's what I do. Brother, Man,
Speaker 1: I love your brother. Thank you for taking the time. Man.
Speaker 1: I hope this was a nice journey talking about a
Speaker 1: part of your life that was very personal but more
Speaker 1: important to book. I am restored How I lost my
Speaker 1: religion but found my faith on Sale October. Thank you brother.
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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. My next
Speaker 1: guest is Phenomenal. She's a reinventor, renaissance woman. Kim Cole's
Speaker 1: is renowed TV veteran comedian, host motivational Speak Care and
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Speaker 1: in the cut, that's my boy Bill Levers. But I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this is money making conversation. This is why
Speaker 1: I brought her on the show with you guys. She
Speaker 1: is the Mastermind Community. Masterminds a monthly business and life
Speaker 1: coaching group membership that gives high quality training with support,
Speaker 1: fund and accountability on building an expert brand, writing books,
Speaker 1: goal setting, self care and more. Phenomenal, please work with
Speaker 1: the Money Making Conversations, Kim cos well shot, I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be with you right now. You're kind of people.
Speaker 1: Well good for you know, I appreciate the compliment because
Speaker 1: when I see what you're doing with your brain. First
Speaker 1: of all, you know, following on LinkedIn, following on social
Speaker 1: media and on LinkedIn. You know you look beautiful. You
Speaker 1: look beautiful. Okay, you know that? What what? What? What
Speaker 1: you want to talk about? It's about branding and presenting
Speaker 1: yourself in a successful look and upbeat look because of
Speaker 1: the fact that you're a motivator and in this business
Speaker 1: you have to look a certain way, to talk a
Speaker 1: certain way. Let's talk about the your brand and what
Speaker 1: you're presenting out there in the entrereneural space. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that first. Well, yeah, you know, right now, I've
Speaker 1: been talking a lot about uh, pivot on purpose, how
Speaker 1: to pivot on purpose. And as we're recording this, as
Speaker 1: you know, we're in the midst of this, uh, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of upheaval, you know, with a pandemic
Speaker 1: and racial unrest and all the civil unrest and everything
Speaker 1: that is fair and unfair happening in the world. And
Speaker 1: more than ever, we need to pivot on purpose. And
Speaker 1: the way you do that is, you know, look at
Speaker 1: your gifts and talents and uh and and look for
Speaker 1: ways to express them given the current situation, so you
Speaker 1: look for opportunities. It's a brand new perspective and so
Speaker 1: my brand and I'm so proud of it. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, we weren't thinking, you know, back
Speaker 1: when you know you and I were doing what we
Speaker 1: were doing, you're building ourselves in the comedy world. We
Speaker 1: weren't thinking, oh, this is our brand, but knowing that
Speaker 1: every step that you take is all um uh, every
Speaker 1: step that you take, and as you are aware of
Speaker 1: your gifts and talents, it's all a part of your brand.
Speaker 1: It's all a part of the building of who you are,
Speaker 1: the message that you've come here to to give. And
Speaker 1: this is whether you're This is not even for people
Speaker 1: who are in show business, not even for people who
Speaker 1: are entrepreneurs. All of us now are are requested and
Speaker 1: required to pull on our gifts, so to to to
Speaker 1: I should said, um rely on our gifts in a
Speaker 1: new way. And so I figured out a while ago
Speaker 1: Rashan that just being a sitcom actress, while that is awesome,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna is not enough. Just the stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: while it's awesome, and there are people for whom that's
Speaker 1: what they do, and they do well. I knew that
Speaker 1: I had other aspects of my gifting that needed to
Speaker 1: come forth. Therefore, the Kim Calls brand has the stand
Speaker 1: up comedy, the sitcom actress, the author, and the entrepreneur
Speaker 1: who teaches entrepreneurs how to find their gifts. And so
Speaker 1: this is about expansions. This is also about at this
Speaker 1: time when everything has slowed down and has stopped from
Speaker 1: some people's perspectives, and it has. It has not slowed
Speaker 1: down for me nor for anyone that I that I
Speaker 1: want to um have any coach or have any influence over.
Speaker 1: Now is the time to be pivoting on purpose and
Speaker 1: be thinking of new way to use your gifts. It's
Speaker 1: actually an opportunity and I am equal to the challenge
Speaker 1: because if you are well, you know, I really love
Speaker 1: your tone and you know, it almost feels like when
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you, it's like I'm looking at I'm talking,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to a professor, a professor, and uh, I'm
Speaker 1: doing you know. I mean, you know, I interview a
Speaker 1: lot of people, okay and so, and you're one of
Speaker 1: my favorite people. I tell you that, and you're like, really, yes,
Speaker 1: you are that you are because of the fact that
Speaker 1: because of the fact that I always marvel at UH,
Speaker 1: the ability to UH to be committed because what you're
Speaker 1: doing is a bigger commitment than being an actress a comedian,
Speaker 1: because people are responding to your brand from and say
Speaker 1: you can change my life. Nobody's as a telling the
Speaker 1: joke is to comman. Nobody said I change their life
Speaker 1: telling the joke or write in the script. But what
Speaker 1: you're doing with Community the Mastermind, you're changing lives. And
Speaker 1: so that's then it comes to the responsibility of being
Speaker 1: able to be there when people need an understand and
Speaker 1: coaching them that the downtime is not a flaw. That's
Speaker 1: part of the process, that downtime. Nobody's up forever. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be ready for that down moment so
Speaker 1: you can go back up. And that's for the planning process.
Speaker 1: And that's why you have a monthly subscription. Correct I do,
Speaker 1: and I love you. Know. I thought I was real
Speaker 1: cute when I came up with the name community. So
Speaker 1: it's k I am you and I t wine mastermind
Speaker 1: dot com. And what it really is about is creating
Speaker 1: a community of like minded individuals in which my business partner,
Speaker 1: and I coached them through building their business self care.
Speaker 1: Like you know, we just did a class last week
Speaker 1: on I noticed that most of the ladies just that
Speaker 1: I'm overworked, I got too much of my plate. I
Speaker 1: don't what to do next, and so we did a
Speaker 1: masterclass on self care. Now, self care doesn't just mean
Speaker 1: getting you a facial and getting you we've kite and
Speaker 1: get your nails done. It really means rest. It means
Speaker 1: setting boundaries. It means saying no where saying yes would
Speaker 1: deplete you further. It means filling your cup so that
Speaker 1: you can serve others. And so I am passionate about
Speaker 1: helping people to find that find those resources. We give
Speaker 1: them the resources to uplevel their lives so that my
Speaker 1: ladies are more busy now than they were before the
Speaker 1: pandemic hit because they realized, I've got a vision, I've
Speaker 1: got to keep going, and I'm building an empire for
Speaker 1: myself that will last longer than than than me. This
Speaker 1: is about building legacy, and we know that our people
Speaker 1: more than ever need to be having this legacy conversation.
Speaker 1: And so I get to do that and it makes
Speaker 1: me so happy. And I didn't know this was my
Speaker 1: gift until I was in a down spiral, a downtime,
Speaker 1: you know. Two thousand and eight, which was tough for everybody,
Speaker 1: was when I figured out, oh wait a minute, I've
Speaker 1: better figure out some other things to do and not
Speaker 1: be reliant on a studio head saying yes, she's the
Speaker 1: one or ocean to lose some weight or be or
Speaker 1: you know, could she just could you just read the
Speaker 1: lines as we wrote them. I'm like, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: do that in this space. But in this space over here,
Speaker 1: I can create a community, uh and and create change.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? And that's why that's
Speaker 1: why I love talking to you, because of the fact
Speaker 1: that your success pattern as a as an entertainer okay,
Speaker 1: that's a that's an entertainer, okay. And you you absolutely
Speaker 1: tell them the truth. Sometimes we we we don't know
Speaker 1: what our gifts are because of the fact they were
Speaker 1: so focused on what people telling us. This is where
Speaker 1: you make your money, this is direct that's the door
Speaker 1: you're supposed to open. Going that door, do what they
Speaker 1: tell you to do, come out, and your live a
Speaker 1: successful life. But that doesn't mean that that's the long
Speaker 1: term success. And because in the end, the Kim I
Speaker 1: talked to now. I'm not saying I didn't like the
Speaker 1: Kim I knew before, but the Kim I talked to now,
Speaker 1: it's such a worldly voice, such a voice of confidence,
Speaker 1: such a voice of this is what I want to
Speaker 1: do for myself. I can still do that other Stuffle
Speaker 1: show and do it outstandingly, but it's my option now.
Speaker 1: That is what I like about what I'm talking to,
Speaker 1: and that's what I try to tell people on the show.
Speaker 1: And when I see what you're doing, I gotta promote it.
Speaker 1: And I'm mad because you did this this session, you
Speaker 1: and you, and you just mentioned it on my show.
Speaker 1: We just did a retreat and didn't even contact me,
Speaker 1: and I keep telling your little skinny behind. I put
Speaker 1: you on my social media. I got almost a million follows,
Speaker 1: I got a name eight thousand, and it's got on
Speaker 1: the car. I tell you, I'm gonna put you into
Speaker 1: my newsletter this Wednesday. I ain't even asking the show
Speaker 1: you love because you're brilliant, But guess what I gotta
Speaker 1: hear about the stuff when you come on my show.
Speaker 1: Should I be upset to not be upset with me?
Speaker 1: Because we are going to collaborate because I want to
Speaker 1: invite you to be a featured speaker in something else
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I have something. I did this in May
Speaker 1: and you're gonna love this. It was called the Captivating
Speaker 1: Conversation Summit, and at the time it was called how
Speaker 1: to Thrive with Certainty in Uncertain Times. It was such
Speaker 1: a success that I decided to do I call it
Speaker 1: cap CON Captivating Conversations to this time. It's about being
Speaker 1: perfectly positioned to prosper. And you're hearing it right now,
Speaker 1: everybody that's listening. I'm inviting Rashan McDonald to come and
Speaker 1: be a featured speaker in the cap CON to All
Speaker 1: details will be coming soon, so just hold on for
Speaker 1: you accepted the accept because you don't want because because
Speaker 1: because the fact of the matter is that you it's
Speaker 1: a clear understanding that the COVID nineteen is not going
Speaker 1: to go away. We're gonna go back to you know,
Speaker 1: live events. There will be much mass wearing to be
Speaker 1: a dominant participant in that process and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: But the world but people have a clear understanding that
Speaker 1: it's okay to do virtual events, to virtual retreats and
Speaker 1: all these things and guess what you have to be
Speaker 1: at the forefront of that to be able to take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. What made you understand that there was
Speaker 1: a business opportunity in the at this level? Kim? Well,
Speaker 1: when when you know, it's so funny. It was a
Speaker 1: domino effect. When so I've been making most of my
Speaker 1: way through speaking, right, so when i'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not on the show, and we'll talk about in the
Speaker 1: cut in just a moment. But we filmed all that
Speaker 1: in January. It was done. I had a full schedule
Speaker 1: of speaking events, your women's empowerment events, entrepreneurial events, just
Speaker 1: and it was a domino effect that one after the
Speaker 1: other after the other after the other got they got canceled.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my goodness, So you know
Speaker 1: this is now March and April and May were canceled,
Speaker 1: and in May, June, July and all just got canceled.
Speaker 1: This it just kept going and some of these events
Speaker 1: are like, we're not going to even try until I
Speaker 1: was like, well, if my main source of connecting to
Speaker 1: people other than online, uh, meaning like you know, doing
Speaker 1: my own things online, is why don't I just create
Speaker 1: a big thing online? And so captivating conversations provided me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do a five day summit with thirty speakers,
Speaker 1: some of them you know from you know. I called
Speaker 1: them my busin besties, my Hollywood besties, and my real besties,
Speaker 1: and they each came on and talked about their their
Speaker 1: perspective on how to thrive. At this time, I had
Speaker 1: a meditation coach. I had you know, various business um
Speaker 1: um folks teaching people how to take their business online.
Speaker 1: It was like, wait a minute, I can headline my
Speaker 1: own events all from my living room, and so why
Speaker 1: not do that again? So yes, we'll be live again together.
Speaker 1: I'm miss hugging folks. My team gets mad at me
Speaker 1: because I look, people think clear to hug, you come
Speaker 1: home in for hugs. What do you mean? You know
Speaker 1: that that's that's that's uh, that's and and that's really
Speaker 1: interesting you say that because you know, with this whole
Speaker 1: COVID it just really changed the way we emotionally treat
Speaker 1: each other, you know, basically, you know, it's it's a disconnect,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I kind of I kind of
Speaker 1: wonder how that's going to affect this generation of young
Speaker 1: people and children because COVID nineteen is not gonna go away.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna go away, and so I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna go away. And I hate these I mean,
Speaker 1: I know we have to wear a mask, but I
Speaker 1: don't like that you can't see I'm smiling at you.
Speaker 1: And is that that's exactly the truth, that's exactly true,
Speaker 1: is that you don't understand. And and sometimes I see
Speaker 1: people I try to smile that go they don't see
Speaker 1: me smiling, dummy, they you know, they don't. I want
Speaker 1: to acknowledge people that I feel good about them being
Speaker 1: around me in the grocery store and things of that nature,
Speaker 1: because it really does take your your temperament down a
Speaker 1: notch knowing that you can't you can't let everybody know
Speaker 1: what's going on in your life. So it's really, it
Speaker 1: really is amazing that your value to me, your value
Speaker 1: to me is what you're doing on this side of
Speaker 1: the table. And the beauty of it is that you
Speaker 1: know this is only going to get bigger for you.
Speaker 1: And so what is the future. What is the future
Speaker 1: of Kim Colds but also tom Unity, you know customary, Well,
Speaker 1: so I've got the community mastermind. Like I said, that's
Speaker 1: a monthly membership. Then I've got I just enrolled a
Speaker 1: group of ladies and something I call speak and get clients.
Speaker 1: So we know that this is called the money making show, right,
Speaker 1: So it think people how to use their stories in
Speaker 1: order to connect with stential customers and clients and sell
Speaker 1: their products and goods and services. Nothing better than listen.
Speaker 1: We can't smile with each other because of these dag
Speaker 1: on nests. But when I share with you my story
Speaker 1: of the challenges I've come through and why I created
Speaker 1: this fill in the blank, this book, this course, this
Speaker 1: product that now will solve your solution, the best way
Speaker 1: for me to share it is through my story. So
Speaker 1: I teach that. So there's that, and then there is
Speaker 1: everything else that goes along with it. You know, the
Speaker 1: products that that come out of the ideas. You know,
Speaker 1: the T shirts if you think that there won't be
Speaker 1: a T shirt for the for the captivating conversations, perfectly
Speaker 1: posing the proper then all those things, and then the
Speaker 1: and and more coaching, more and more coaching. And I
Speaker 1: do all this while sitting in you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: not a person right now that's creating my own creative projects.
Speaker 1: In terms of Hollywood, like, I don't have a sitcom
Speaker 1: idea that I'm trying to pitch right now. I have
Speaker 1: a movie idea that I'm trying to pitch right now.
Speaker 1: I'm letting keeping myself afloat and keeping myself out there
Speaker 1: with this aspect of my gift while I audition and
Speaker 1: do these other things. So I'm sure that one day
Speaker 1: there will be a sitcom from me or you know something.
Speaker 1: But waiting and not waiting for them has provided me
Speaker 1: the opportunity to create my own. So there there might
Speaker 1: be a new YouTube show coming. Oh I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about that. Come on, now, let's
Speaker 1: talk about that. They gotta come, gotta come. It's time
Speaker 1: for a podcast, which has to come. It has to go.
Speaker 1: And I would, and I'm gonna tell you something, I
Speaker 1: would do it. You know, podcasts are cool, but I
Speaker 1: would do it through YouTube first. If I would do
Speaker 1: it both, you know, if you can, you know, take
Speaker 1: the audio, drop it on your YouTube and build those subscribers. Okay,
Speaker 1: because of the fact that you you you you, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you got it, Kim, you got it. I
Speaker 1: you know, I hear, I see it. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a structure in your boars. You put one
Speaker 1: sentence and one word after the next, no stumbling. You
Speaker 1: you got the tone, you got the conversation. You've got
Speaker 1: the ability to motivate, and you are very nice in
Speaker 1: your approach. In other words, you know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like you're putting the hand on my back and saying
Speaker 1: you can do it, and I'm gonna show you how,
Speaker 1: which means that it's much more, much more empowering, because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna leave me at the door and close
Speaker 1: it behind me. Right. Well, and you're right, and I
Speaker 1: think that we have enough people who are um, you know,
Speaker 1: wanting to be sort of on top. Is the one
Speaker 1: that's in control of everything. I'm saying, let's all grow together,
Speaker 1: let's all build together. What do you bring to the table.
Speaker 1: What do you bring to the table, What do you
Speaker 1: bring to the table? Great, let's get together and and
Speaker 1: inspire and motivate more. And and the thing is that
Speaker 1: when we touch each other in that way, it reverberates,
Speaker 1: that becomes, you know, the drop in the pond. So
Speaker 1: the more we collaborate, the more we create experiences for
Speaker 1: other people. With your platform, you have, you know, people
Speaker 1: can listen and learn and and experience. And it's not
Speaker 1: just you sitting in your ivory tower going I am Rashan,
Speaker 1: and I can create. You're saying, I can create, and
Speaker 1: then I can teach. I can create, and then I
Speaker 1: can share and you can and I can spark it
Speaker 1: in YouTube. And we need that more than ever. Right
Speaker 1: now we can't. We've got to get out of our
Speaker 1: silos um and I know that this pandemic, you know,
Speaker 1: made us go indoors. We have to find new ways
Speaker 1: to be with each other. And and this is, you know,
Speaker 1: is just some of the ways to do it. You're
Speaker 1: listening to money making conversations with Rashan McDonald. We'll be
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Sean McDonald. Imagine this. This is a
Speaker 1: side note about you know, because uh, the things we're
Speaker 1: talking about are not time sensitive their reality, you know,
Speaker 1: the pandemic and watching how the my overtly affects the
Speaker 1: African American community, the the you know, Black Lives Matter movement. Uh,
Speaker 1: seeing white people be more upset than we are, which
Speaker 1: is really you know, they ain't pulling you all out
Speaker 1: of the car, you know that, right, right? But thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I appreciate you. Love that. And
Speaker 1: then you see and then you see the need for
Speaker 1: a vaccine and uh, you know where where is your
Speaker 1: comfort zone right now? You know, because you're a leader,
Speaker 1: you're you're motivating us. But it also takes its toll
Speaker 1: because you can't show week this, you can't show frail
Speaker 1: the attack, you can't show that that hey, I'm this
Speaker 1: is affecting me too, because you have to always to
Speaker 1: be pro positive, pro planner, plow thinker. How's it affecting you? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, that's interesting. It's finding that fine line between
Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be vulnerable and other people to see
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. Um actually makes you even more human,
Speaker 1: right and it makes you I think it helps people
Speaker 1: to relate to you. I know that what I'm doing
Speaker 1: right now for my self care is I am I
Speaker 1: I can't go out, so I stay within. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is, I'm doing a lot of
Speaker 1: spiritual work at this time. I'm a lot of I'm
Speaker 1: doing a lot of work where I fill my cup
Speaker 1: so much so that when I do, when I am
Speaker 1: in a position to help or coach or be that
Speaker 1: I am as full as I can be even given
Speaker 1: this ugly, this ugly experience, and there will be times
Speaker 1: when I wring my head in my hands too and
Speaker 1: just go like, what is going on? I don't know
Speaker 1: what the answers are. There's so much out there that
Speaker 1: is um confusing, and uh, I can be very depressing,
Speaker 1: but it's it's upon me to keep my spirits up
Speaker 1: so I can then keep the spirits of others. And
Speaker 1: what I do is, I don't you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: a person that's going to fall on the bed hooping
Speaker 1: and holland crying and let people see it. Just I'll
Speaker 1: let you know I did that. I let you know
Speaker 1: I dried k tears and got it together. And this
Speaker 1: is what I did to get myself together. And if
Speaker 1: you want to fall in the bed hooping holland, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm going to instagram that live, but
Speaker 1: I will tell you that I just finished crying. I
Speaker 1: got myself together and here's what I did. And so
Speaker 1: it's finding that balance for yourself, finding that harmony. And
Speaker 1: remember early on I put up a post that you know,
Speaker 1: there were lots of people talking about being strong and
Speaker 1: I'm a warrior and all that and then I put
Speaker 1: up this post that said, if you need to cry, cry,
Speaker 1: if you need to be quiet, be quiet. If you
Speaker 1: need to pull the covers over your head for a minute,
Speaker 1: it's perfectly understandable. And then get the tools that you
Speaker 1: need to keep you going. Find the perspective, find the joy,
Speaker 1: joyful moments in there, because they are there. There are
Speaker 1: opportunities right now for us to connect in new ways
Speaker 1: that that are required. And I believe Rashaan with all
Speaker 1: my heart that the light must win over the dark,
Speaker 1: you know, human right, that's what I'm talking about. I
Speaker 1: can't even talk about. I can't talk, but I can't
Speaker 1: talk like that. I felt like, you know, I felt
Speaker 1: like I was in uh you know, like one of
Speaker 1: the saw us well, you know, the hot rocks on
Speaker 1: my back, and then you know, ain't nobody touching me.
Speaker 1: I'm just hearing your voice, feel the heat felt. But
Speaker 1: we couldn't last. We wouldn't. You know. When people say
Speaker 1: it's the end of the end of everything, is we
Speaker 1: know it? I'm like, yeah, the end of some stuff,
Speaker 1: but we've lasted this long. There's no way that we
Speaker 1: can't come through this. That's the way. Absolutely. I don't
Speaker 1: believe you know, yeah, I truly believe and trust that
Speaker 1: you understand what we're talking about. And then let's let
Speaker 1: Billy is gonna be mad. I've talked like twenty three
Speaker 1: minutes with you and we haven't even mentioned in the cut,
Speaker 1: So I hope he doesn't hear this podcast now in
Speaker 1: the cut. That's My Boy on Bounce TV every Wednesday
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Speaker 1: He's new to the show currently. This is the seventh season.
Speaker 1: You kind of mentioned it earlier, taped in in December
Speaker 1: January time frame. Pre covid you on the show, what
Speaker 1: your restaurant are, tell us about your character, and tell
Speaker 1: us about this upcoming sea. Well, so first of all,
Speaker 1: let me just say what an honor it is to
Speaker 1: be working with this brother who said keep cold, just
Speaker 1: come on in to work on Monday. You ain't got
Speaker 1: the audition, you know, you know, the knowing that I
Speaker 1: built up enough of a reputation, uh and and quality
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Speaker 1: You know, he's got Bentley who knows what he's doing
Speaker 1: because he's been doing this for, you know, for a while.
Speaker 1: And he has a symboled the team of people who
Speaker 1: just it just works, It just works. And so yes,
Speaker 1: I am the current owner of Mabel's Tables. Uh, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing a character unlike I've ever played before.
Speaker 1: And and to have him say to you on the
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Speaker 1: the good things about Mark Curry is that he keeps
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's a great person to play with
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Speaker 1: So it was a joy to do and we did
Speaker 1: it and it was done, and it's so much fun
Speaker 1: that in the midst of all this craziness, now it
Speaker 1: launches where we can provide joy and right when people
Speaker 1: need it most right and so uh, it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's just wonderful. Not Mabel's Tables. Now we have a
Speaker 1: menu there are is it? Is it a restaurant that's
Speaker 1: kind of like struggling on you you're turning customers away.
Speaker 1: What is Mayble's table and which he's saving over there?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a soulful restaurategy? What is Mabel's Tables? Well,
Speaker 1: what's interesting? And I have to pay omar to uh
Speaker 1: to our lovely Lord Hayes girl, everybody, Dorian Wilson. That
Speaker 1: from the Parker Kid Lost and he's from the Parker's
Speaker 1: Colinas spirit. That's from Bernie Maxhell. Laura Hey, it just
Speaker 1: like I walk in there bo I started kissing at everybody, right,
Speaker 1: So Laura Hayes has at this point left Mabel's table,
Speaker 1: and if I had to send word to her to say, Laura,
Speaker 1: I hope you all right, right right, I love you
Speaker 1: some Lord Hayes. So it's her restaurant, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what what story because you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what story they tell that she's no longer running it.
Speaker 1: But now there's a woman named Trish. I'm Trish and
Speaker 1: and so we served soul food but done very exotic,
Speaker 1: you know, lama legs, you know, uh, goat of lips.
Speaker 1: Uh see, you just sold food. People don't put enough
Speaker 1: food on the plate, but it's put the words are
Speaker 1: longer than the food that you give me. Okay, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, wonderful ext you know it's somebody you know,
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps a piece of wildlife, you know, didn't
Speaker 1: quite make it out back. We take them and put
Speaker 1: them on a plate, so you know the beauty of
Speaker 1: you know, this is if we're talking to Kim cos
Speaker 1: she's starring in the series seventh season of In the Cut,
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Speaker 1: was running in and creating it with Jamie Fox at
Speaker 1: the time, and in the cut eras every Wednesday on
Speaker 1: Bounce TV at a PM Eastern Standard time. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: you know you're still entertaining us from from a comedic
Speaker 1: actress standpoint, but community mastermind dot com really is the
Speaker 1: brand that to me is so needy to that now.
Speaker 1: And like I said, uh, anytime I get a chance
Speaker 1: to talk to you, I just gotta let you know
Speaker 1: what a blessing that you are and what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And so because we all have those moments, is it
Speaker 1: is it worth? It? Is? It is? It is? It
Speaker 1: is anybody acknowledging this and then the store And That's
Speaker 1: what I'm just letting you know. I'm acknowledging that, and
Speaker 1: I'm acknowledging it with pride. I'm acknowledging it with a
Speaker 1: smile every time I see your photo come across my
Speaker 1: timeline on LinkedIn, on social media posts. Because you are
Speaker 1: proving that you can't control your destiny. You can still
Speaker 1: do what you do, but at least you get a
Speaker 1: clear understanding that I am happy and I'm changing lives
Speaker 1: the way I want to change lives, and it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with a script or somebody saying cut exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's there for me too, and that's I'm joyful about.
Speaker 1: That was to call me. I'm gonna going over and
Speaker 1: do this. I'm gonna go ahead, going over and do
Speaker 1: this right quick. And speaking of this, don't forget what
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about captivating conversations from it too. Well,
Speaker 1: we know I'm gonna say goodbye right now, but hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that number and so we can connect.
Speaker 1: But I want to wrap this up again as Kim
Speaker 1: Cole's Kim Unity Mastermind dot Com. Also in The Cut
Speaker 1: every Wednesday on Bounce TV a p m. Eastern standard
Speaker 1: of time. If you want to hear any episodes of
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to money making conversations. I'm your host Sean
Speaker 1: McDonald on my show today. Have two guests. Someone introduced
Speaker 1: him separately. One I've known for a long time in
Speaker 1: the in the Steve Harvey Morning Show days. His name
Speaker 1: is ron Gil Yard. He's a trusted marketing and media
Speaker 1: executive who has advanced the initiative of companies and individuals
Speaker 1: in the technology, marketing and music industries for over twenty
Speaker 1: five years. He's a four thinking strategist. Guiliard has been
Speaker 1: able to consistently drive revenue growth, market penetration, and create
Speaker 1: developments for all his clients. Also on the show, first
Speaker 1: time he's on the West coast. He already told me.
Speaker 1: His name is Will Campbell. He's the co founder and
Speaker 1: CEO a Quantasy LLC. Will's more than twenty five year
Speaker 1: career can be most easily summarized by the quote, if
Speaker 1: you want to come up with new answers, you have
Speaker 1: to ask new questions. With his vision that he's co
Speaker 1: founded and led the growth of the agency to what
Speaker 1: now Mounster more than sixty people and one fully integrated
Speaker 1: cultural marketing force. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, Chief
Speaker 1: Growth Officer of Quantasy and Associates, where he is also
Speaker 1: a partner with co founder and CEO a Quantasy LLC,
Speaker 1: Ron Gillyard and Will Campbell. Thank you, sir, I had
Speaker 1: to get a lot of you got a lot of
Speaker 1: talking about man. You know, what I'm saying. But when
Speaker 1: you have something like when Off, I would just letting
Speaker 1: them know about the show. Everybody. I was just setting
Speaker 1: up what this show really about. And I hope they
Speaker 1: took us a compliment. I felt that in the industry
Speaker 1: that we that I try to reach the entrepreneurial space,
Speaker 1: the information space. YouTube guys are to me, it's recognizable
Speaker 1: talents like Kevin Hard type talents, like the high profile
Speaker 1: celebrity talents. You've got some celebrities in your own right
Speaker 1: as what you guys are doing in this particular brand
Speaker 1: of business. And since you are the co founder and
Speaker 1: the CEO of Quantasy LLC, Well, Cowbell, tell us what
Speaker 1: that what that company does? Initially, Yeah, thanks for Sean. UM.
Speaker 1: So we're creative services agency UM. I think the shortest
Speaker 1: way to put it is we help businesses and brands
Speaker 1: grow by Christian culture in the right direction UM. And
Speaker 1: the services that we provide extended entertainment, technology, marketing, branding,
Speaker 1: UM and how we bring culture into those worlds to
Speaker 1: help grow businesses and brands. Right, So, now that's that's
Speaker 1: the creative shot. Then then run you come in. I
Speaker 1: see revenue growth tied to your name explain to me
Speaker 1: and I listen to exactly what does that mean? UM,
Speaker 1: that means finding opportunities to to grow the company from
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, from revenue standpoint, from a side standpoint,
Speaker 1: and helping our partners. You know, the sign of a
Speaker 1: good partner is someone who not only you know, who
Speaker 1: pays you money. Yeah, you're an employee, if they just
Speaker 1: pay you, but if you're able to show them ways
Speaker 1: in which they can grow their business and elevate you know,
Speaker 1: their business and grow their revenue, then that's the sign
Speaker 1: of a good partnership. So with the clients that we
Speaker 1: have and hope to have, UM, we've always tried to
Speaker 1: not only you know, be there and be creative from
Speaker 1: the marketing side, but we look at that business Will
Speaker 1: and myself and and other members of the team, and
Speaker 1: we try to find ways if they're not thinking about something,
Speaker 1: to illuminate that for them. I used to always say,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're so to ze running the store that you
Speaker 1: you you spend no time growing the store or you know,
Speaker 1: so just finding ways to to to increase profitability. Where
Speaker 1: it's like to say, you know, you can't make the Hamburger,
Speaker 1: clean up the store and drop the fries at the
Speaker 1: same time, somebody got to be working a cash register
Speaker 1: to you know, And that's really what this is all about.
Speaker 1: When when I try to interview people on these shows,
Speaker 1: I try to get information about what money making conversation
Speaker 1: really is all about. It's about these different layers that
Speaker 1: we have out there. And so Will, why did you
Speaker 1: why did you bring up individual like Ron into your company? What?
Speaker 1: What what visionary needs did you have to have somebody
Speaker 1: in your platform? Yeah, you know, it's interesting, man. When
Speaker 1: when we first started this company, you know, we saw
Speaker 1: these different worlds. Uh, there were people in the entertainment space, um,
Speaker 1: and then on a whole different plane, there were people
Speaker 1: in the tech space, UM. And then in a whole
Speaker 1: different world there were people in the marketing space. And
Speaker 1: they were all very sort of like disconnected units. But
Speaker 1: I always saw it as one space. I always saw
Speaker 1: how technology works with entertainment works with brand development as
Speaker 1: one thing. And then as as Ron and I developed
Speaker 1: our friendship first he instantly occurred to me and somebody
Speaker 1: that just got that, and it's it's a way that
Speaker 1: he had been working for years and years. He and
Speaker 1: I started off on some entrepreneurial things doing some things together. Um,
Speaker 1: And it came to the point where it was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I would love for you to come over here and
Speaker 1: help me grow this. We had a similar vision um
Speaker 1: as well as with my other partner, and so it
Speaker 1: really was just a clear understanding and he has so
Speaker 1: much knowledge and insight into where we were trying to
Speaker 1: take the business. It just made a lot of sense
Speaker 1: for us. Okay, now he now he threw something out
Speaker 1: in I gotta ask you what knowledge it insight did
Speaker 1: you have? Ron? I just I'm just just being curious here.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm listening to a visionary, solved person over there.
Speaker 1: And I love you. You know, I've always loved your
Speaker 1: personality because I don't care what was going bad, good,
Speaker 1: You're always rong. You stayed right there, you stay centered.
Speaker 1: So what what what qualities did you have that Ron?
Speaker 1: That that really just just stepped the whole process that
Speaker 1: made it a great partnership. UM. No better question for Will,
Speaker 1: but I will. Sometimes sometimes you gotta talk about yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: other people talk about you, but sometimes you gotta talk
Speaker 1: about this because a lot of people don't do that.
Speaker 1: That's what social media is all about. Social media is
Speaker 1: is the form I call it. We live in the Mohammad,
Speaker 1: the Mamahali era, That's what I call people. Because you
Speaker 1: gotta tell people the greatest now because he's he branded it,
Speaker 1: but now people are doing it now. So I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you gotta tell the people you the greatest. But
Speaker 1: there are qualities that people see in people like you
Speaker 1: that some people need to like understand that has value.
Speaker 1: And I met you in the record game, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was listening to the player music. We had
Speaker 1: all these radio show, radio stations and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's how I relationship. Now you're in a whole different platform,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't know how to make
Speaker 1: that transition. They feel like they're stuck. Yeah. So for me,
Speaker 1: I've always had a week not me mentality. I have
Speaker 1: always tried to analyze. I think my one of my
Speaker 1: biggest faults is also one of my biggest biggest assets,
Speaker 1: and I needed to down downsize the fault part of
Speaker 1: that and and but recognize it. I was never comfortable
Speaker 1: in the space that I was in. I was always
Speaker 1: looking towards the next what's next. When I was an intern,
Speaker 1: I was trying to imagine I came to work every
Speaker 1: day dressed like I was the director of marketing or
Speaker 1: director of A and R. When I was that, I
Speaker 1: was came as if I was the vice president. And
Speaker 1: I just came to work every day thinking like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run this particular job that I have. Is if
Speaker 1: I'm the president of this organization. I'm not, but I
Speaker 1: know that I want to be. So I was always
Speaker 1: off in the future. Um, I think that you know
Speaker 1: you said, I'm always calm. I think this is me angry,
Speaker 1: this is me mana glad whatever. So I'm always senator,
Speaker 1: I'm always watching. I learned at the early age that
Speaker 1: you were gonna learn so much more by listening than talking.
Speaker 1: So it was I think it's the reason guy gave
Speaker 1: us two years in one mouth. The other thing is
Speaker 1: I was in a business that, in the music business,
Speaker 1: my job was to spot talent. But I didn't just
Speaker 1: look for people that could singer dance. I also looked
Speaker 1: for people that had had a different kind of talent
Speaker 1: and executive talent. And I've worked, you know, with some
Speaker 1: really really smart, legendary if you will people. And I
Speaker 1: said when I got in the music business that when
Speaker 1: they wrote the book about hip hop. When they wrote
Speaker 1: the book about R and B music, Um, I at
Speaker 1: least one of the sentence in that book, right, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, if I get a chapter, so be it.
Speaker 1: And but I became robbing to a lot of Batman's right.
Speaker 1: And I worked alongside Andre Horrell. I worked alongside Sean
Speaker 1: Combs or p Diddy or Puff Daddy or Puff or
Speaker 1: Diddy or whicheveryone we're going with this week. So I
Speaker 1: worked alongside Clive Davis, Jimmy Iveen, um, you know, Irving
Speaker 1: aids Off, Simon Rinshaw, some of the best in the
Speaker 1: business to do it and to be honest. When I
Speaker 1: met Will, I always tell this funny story, which I'll
Speaker 1: you know, it's long, so I'll breathe it. I realized Will,
Speaker 1: because sell water to a drowning man, you could sell
Speaker 1: saying to an era. And I was like, there's something
Speaker 1: about this guy. And he had similar qualities to some
Speaker 1: of those people that I named that I've worked with
Speaker 1: in the music business. And so it was a no
Speaker 1: brainer for me to try to be helpful. And I
Speaker 1: had a perspective and I had this worldview, and you
Speaker 1: get elevated to this in music, you get elevated to
Speaker 1: this somewhat unreal perch of that you know everything when
Speaker 1: you don't. But since I was on that perch, I
Speaker 1: was gonna try to read and and consume as much
Speaker 1: knowledge as possible. And I'm not a talkative guy normally,
Speaker 1: but if I become comfortable with you, it's hard to
Speaker 1: shut me up when I think I know something. Definitely, Uh,
Speaker 1: you have to skip the gift of gap. We all
Speaker 1: need to have that in order to be successful in
Speaker 1: this business. I'm speaking to just reintroducing you guys to
Speaker 1: my audience. Roun Guillyard and Will Campbell Quantity and Associates
Speaker 1: Quantity LLC, which especially a fully integrated cultural and marketing force.
Speaker 1: Um Ron is on the West East coast and Willows
Speaker 1: on the West coast. Now, Will he said something, You
Speaker 1: said that you can sell water to a drowning man. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now the pandemic hit. Now, when the pandemic hit
Speaker 1: in Marching, this country said we have to shut down.
Speaker 1: All my staff became employed via zoom and so I
Speaker 1: don't have sixty people, but I got enough that I
Speaker 1: had to keep the checks rolling to greet some type
Speaker 1: of synergy. And also trying to continue to make money,
Speaker 1: a plan to make money. So with the skilled level,
Speaker 1: did you have being able to sell water to to
Speaker 1: the water to a drowning man? What did you do
Speaker 1: when it and what was your perspective when the COVID
Speaker 1: ainteen hit and the impacted your business practices? UM? I
Speaker 1: mean it was you know, when it comes to I
Speaker 1: think the idea of selling two people, it's about how
Speaker 1: you can help. And now's the question we asked, how
Speaker 1: can I help? Where can I help? UM? And and
Speaker 1: helping people sells itself. UM. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think people play enough value on what it means to
Speaker 1: provide value to others. So what we did we really
Speaker 1: looked at UM the people in our world and what
Speaker 1: challenges they were facing, what new challenges they were facing
Speaker 1: in light of the pandemic UM and where we could
Speaker 1: come in and play a role. And so for each
Speaker 1: of our different clients that were different issues that they
Speaker 1: were suffering to look like, we also looked internally, but
Speaker 1: as for instance, UM, knowing that we have in house
Speaker 1: engineering and technology chops. UM, we look that event business
Speaker 1: which had gotten decimated because you know, people couldn't produce events.
Speaker 1: We had clients that had events scheduled that they had
Speaker 1: to cancel. We have friends that are event producers, UM,
Speaker 1: and so we delivered technology that we had already been
Speaker 1: working on to create virtual events and UM. You know
Speaker 1: people in the business. For instance, working closely with Rich
Speaker 1: Dennis Essence, who's also a visionary, great guy, UM, their
Speaker 1: Essence Festival, which as you know, is a massive, massive,
Speaker 1: massive event people generally it was gonna be canceled. So
Speaker 1: not only do do those six hundred thousand people within
Speaker 1: the black community missed out on this huge opportunity, there's
Speaker 1: a whole laundry list of clients and sponsors and all that.
Speaker 1: So this would be a big revenue hit, right, So
Speaker 1: bye bye. Partner with Rich and his team to deliver
Speaker 1: the Essence Fest. Virtually, he's got a great group of
Speaker 1: producers and staff on his side as well. By a
Speaker 1: partner with him to deliver it, he was able to
Speaker 1: help those clients to recover that revenue and still serve
Speaker 1: his mission and his and his audience and his Essence
Speaker 1: subscribers and so like I said that that sells itself, UM,
Speaker 1: And so identifying those opportunities to help people is really
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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting that you brought up to
Speaker 1: essence because of the fact it is a massive live
Speaker 1: event and massive live events or any live events. You know,
Speaker 1: it affected individuals, tour and stand up comedians, singers, large tours,
Speaker 1: movie theaters, anything that had mass attendance was affected by
Speaker 1: the country shutdown, as well as still affected by the
Speaker 1: COVID naeteen and the virus that may be encountered without
Speaker 1: or SoC social distancing their masks. Now do you feel
Speaker 1: that they're because of the pandemic that the virtual industry
Speaker 1: When I say that virtual entertainment side has been even
Speaker 1: more developed when I watched the MMIs last night and
Speaker 1: just watching, uh, you know, I've been fortunate to participate
Speaker 1: in some self produced virtual events myself. What do you
Speaker 1: think the Essence Festival would always would consider doing a
Speaker 1: virtual version of it because of the success that had
Speaker 1: this year, or you think that the live way is
Speaker 1: the only way that they're going to continue to do business.
Speaker 1: And what a great question. And here and here's what
Speaker 1: I say. I'm gonna go back to go forward. So,
Speaker 1: as you know, in recent years, a lot of the
Speaker 1: business skylind whether it's Coachella, whether it's Essence Festival, showing
Speaker 1: about music, festivals, conferences, complex coun you name it and
Speaker 1: from and these were huge revenue centers, right, sponsors for products,
Speaker 1: sales for tickets, for all of those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: But what you've seen recently over the last years is
Speaker 1: how much these a lot event experiences were working to
Speaker 1: become more digital anyway. Right, So you go to event,
Speaker 1: now you're saying, uh, photo ops for Instagram and hashtags
Speaker 1: to track this and to sell this, because creating an
Speaker 1: epicenter of culture and activity that could then spawn a
Speaker 1: global reach, right to create more engagement um from all
Speaker 1: around the world. So I think that global perspective of
Speaker 1: a live event is only going to continue. I think
Speaker 1: during purely virtual events, I think there's some fatigue around that,
Speaker 1: and so I think even though they have swelled, when
Speaker 1: the actual physical events come back, it's going to enhance
Speaker 1: the virtual eventage, right because now it's like, hey, you
Speaker 1: can participate pay in this event um in addition to
Speaker 1: the physical versus instead of right, it's not instead of
Speaker 1: it's how it's how they work together. So now you
Speaker 1: can have a coach olla, a conference kind of essence best,
Speaker 1: but still have a global reach where people can kind
Speaker 1: of participate and grow. So I think that physical events
Speaker 1: will come back, and they'll come back with even greater
Speaker 1: digital extensions and capacity going forward. And so with that
Speaker 1: being said, Rod I was talking to the agency that
Speaker 1: represents the Air Force and we were talking about virtual events,
Speaker 1: and they were saying, is you know they've not seen
Speaker 1: enough yet to quantify quantify the success or whether these
Speaker 1: virtual events were because you know, in a live event,
Speaker 1: you know, when somebody walks through the door, you can
Speaker 1: that's a person. You can you can get their information,
Speaker 1: get their background information, and they can be part of
Speaker 1: the data growth and you can you can you can
Speaker 1: justify uh that action. Now when you're getting into this
Speaker 1: virtual world, which is a potential new revenue growth stream
Speaker 1: for for you to be able to go out there
Speaker 1: and talk to new partners or old partners, how does
Speaker 1: this conversation I just had with Will and the conversation
Speaker 1: I just had with this agency that represents the Air
Speaker 1: Force come coming to play with you and what you're
Speaker 1: when you're when you're trying to generate revenue growth. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that I tell someone and I didn't
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take credit for this quote. Well, there's
Speaker 1: two quotes that I try to tell try to slip
Speaker 1: into every conversation that I have with someone about growth.
Speaker 1: One of them is predicting rain doesn't count building the
Speaker 1: arc does. There are a lot of people that could
Speaker 1: tell you what's gonna happen and what they think is
Speaker 1: gonna happen and all of this other stuff, and they
Speaker 1: do nothing and then they're still not prepared when that
Speaker 1: thing happens. Right um. The other one is the quickest
Speaker 1: way to failure is always is saying but that's not
Speaker 1: how we've always done it. And so I think to
Speaker 1: paggyback on the question that you ask Will and and
Speaker 1: and also to answer the question that you've just asked
Speaker 1: me is and I'll tell this story. We started building
Speaker 1: that virtual platform that Will spoke of before COVID nineteen.
Speaker 1: We we started building it off an idea of what if, again,
Speaker 1: asking different questions, right, um, what if I can experience?
Speaker 1: What if I want to experience the live event? And
Speaker 1: then we'll use essence as an example. There are things
Speaker 1: that essence that you are missing out on when you
Speaker 1: make certain decisions right about what you're going to do
Speaker 1: and how you're going to spend your time. Yes, everyone
Speaker 1: is in the stadium at night, but there are seminars
Speaker 1: by day. There's you know, they take over the convention center,
Speaker 1: you can go shopping, you could do all of these
Speaker 1: other things, and all of these so you make choices
Speaker 1: and you don't get to see other things. Virtual allows
Speaker 1: you to get that rest you need for that Janet
Speaker 1: Jackson concert tonight and still see that panel with Rashan
Speaker 1: during the daytime. Right, And so from a revenue growth standpoint,
Speaker 1: this person has spent money on the ticket, spent money
Speaker 1: on a hotel, renting a car, or engaging in ubers
Speaker 1: and transportation, building that local economy, building money for you know,
Speaker 1: Essence Coffers. Where's the revenue? Where's the growth potential? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna charge him to log in to see Rashawn's panel,
Speaker 1: and he could still be in his hotel room. He
Speaker 1: or she could still be in their hotel room preparing
Speaker 1: for a concert that they're gonna see tonight. So there
Speaker 1: was always I have a comic con analogy, I have
Speaker 1: a complex kind analogy, have all of those other things.
Speaker 1: So I think the other thing is the barrier of entry.
Speaker 1: We all had to sign into Zoom. I clicked the button,
Speaker 1: I clicked on the link. Someone in your organization let
Speaker 1: me in, and we're here. But if you wanted to
Speaker 1: gather more information, then I fill out something so that
Speaker 1: same data that you're getting by might be physically buying
Speaker 1: that ticket through ticket Master or whatever for that live event,
Speaker 1: you can gather that gap data and a more accurate
Speaker 1: version of that data digitally. And so all of that
Speaker 1: helps with UM growth and thinking about UM how to
Speaker 1: engage both in a physical and digital world. I love
Speaker 1: before COVID nineteen, I think people thought it was one
Speaker 1: or the other, and we've we always viewed it as
Speaker 1: one Ambia, which is very smart when you when I
Speaker 1: see companies like Disney when they do what they're doing
Speaker 1: with the movie move On, which they yet to tell
Speaker 1: anybody how much money they made so far, when they said, look,
Speaker 1: we got eighty million subscribers and we're gonna charge thirty
Speaker 1: dollars a ticket. If we can pull in ten percent
Speaker 1: of that and still put this in the movies. There
Speaker 1: that ten percent that we got, we get we control
Speaker 1: one hurt percent. And the thing that you know, one
Speaker 1: of the major reasons of just hearing numbers like that
Speaker 1: and talking to a growth a spirit and talking to
Speaker 1: a founder or a visionary can consider both of you
Speaker 1: guys visionaries when I when I talk about the futures
Speaker 1: that the technology aspect, and one thing is always angered
Speaker 1: me guys, is that blacks has always been viewed as
Speaker 1: less less capable of delivering the technically advanced are the
Speaker 1: the technically perceived well organized platform? Do you what? What
Speaker 1: do you have to fight against will when you talk
Speaker 1: about your your business when people and not saying people
Speaker 1: are doing this. Let me just get that cleared up.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about my experience and dealing with people
Speaker 1: having a having a point of view that can be
Speaker 1: limited based on what they perceived I can do as
Speaker 1: an after that an American or as a company, how
Speaker 1: do you walk through that next step and and present
Speaker 1: your company is capable of doing everything you know? UM?
Speaker 1: The short answer is sometimes you can show them better
Speaker 1: than you can tell them. UM. And I think that
Speaker 1: you have to UM put your faith in your team
Speaker 1: and the work and do what you can UM. Now
Speaker 1: that said, there are a lot of barriers to access
Speaker 1: that we face, UM, limitations to resources that we face,
Speaker 1: and so at the same token, I'm fully aware of that,
Speaker 1: and I think just because maybe I've been able to
Speaker 1: have some success doing X y Z doesn't guarantee that
Speaker 1: the next person in my position is going to have
Speaker 1: a fair shot, and so I don't just look at
Speaker 1: it it's like, oh, well, hey, look we did it.
Speaker 1: And even though that there's those that have done more
Speaker 1: and have had greater success than us, I know that
Speaker 1: there's always like various limitations and so UM. With that
Speaker 1: in mind, we still spend a lot of our time
Speaker 1: trying to break down those barriers with some of the
Speaker 1: philothrophic work that we do, with some of the advocacy
Speaker 1: work that we do. I serve on the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: County UM Small Business Commission for that exact reason, to
Speaker 1: find ways to advocate for resources and opportunities for small
Speaker 1: businesses UM in in l A, which is largely UM minority.
Speaker 1: So UM, for me personally, it's about continuing to trying
Speaker 1: to partner with the right people gain access. For instance,
Speaker 1: in this opportunity to be able to partner with you
Speaker 1: will share knowledge and information to to an audience that's
Speaker 1: come to trust what you're doing and what you have
Speaker 1: to say UM, and then just continue to focus on
Speaker 1: doing really good work UM so that people you know,
Speaker 1: gain trust in what you're doing. We know that reason.
Speaker 1: I bring that up because I've been fortunate to be
Speaker 1: in this business, especially on the radio side, from two
Speaker 1: thousand and listen watch agencies to go from black agencies
Speaker 1: to the term multi cultural agencies, and then they started
Speaker 1: giving up the money and the money seems to be
Speaker 1: lesser for the on the black side of the agency
Speaker 1: is trying to target that particular audience. And so now
Speaker 1: in the middle of a pandemic, and we've seen a
Speaker 1: tremendous surge. When I say surge, I'm talking about Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matters. We've seen HBCU donations, We've seen companies announced
Speaker 1: that they have money set aside for minority supplier development,
Speaker 1: but not letting you know that minorities suppliers also include
Speaker 1: white women. Okay, But and so when you're dealing with
Speaker 1: all these things, do you feel there's an opportunity now
Speaker 1: to really put your business into the forefront run or
Speaker 1: will most of you guys can answer it one of
Speaker 1: the time. I just want to get a sense of
Speaker 1: looking at what we are the landscape now all we're
Speaker 1: able to really jump out there now and participate. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I would say into a certain degree, yes, Um,
Speaker 1: I think that what we've seen and just to sar
Speaker 1: some positive light on it. I think the the global
Speaker 1: awakening that you've seen has has a lot of people
Speaker 1: done meenuinely reacting to the recent events and genuinely saying no,
Speaker 1: we can't allow this to continue, and genuinely trying to
Speaker 1: engage in conversations and looking to support black businesses and
Speaker 1: trying to find out what they can do when we
Speaker 1: see the rise of ally ship and I think that
Speaker 1: there's a certain genuine nature of that UM And I
Speaker 1: think there's a recognition of some of the some of
Speaker 1: the some of the black milses getting our partentialies have
Speaker 1: been doing great work for decades, you know, phenomenal work
Speaker 1: for decades. So I do think that there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a broader opportunity that I think that we're
Speaker 1: happy about. It's not enough, right. The playing field has
Speaker 1: not been leveled, right. The system hasn't been dismantled yet.
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, I do think that we're
Speaker 1: seeing opportunities open up and some more focus. UM. But
Speaker 1: but the work is nowhere. They're close to being finished.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not. Before I Before I wrap up
Speaker 1: the calle, they want to thank you guys for the time,
Speaker 1: and you've given me to just talk about your brand,
Speaker 1: talk about YouTube visionaries from a standpoint of what you
Speaker 1: deal with now before the pandemic, while the pandemic and
Speaker 1: post pandemic, because we have to always think that there
Speaker 1: is a future, and if you don't plan for the future,
Speaker 1: then then there's no opportunity to see success. Now, there's
Speaker 1: an app called the True Voice and Mindfulness app for
Speaker 1: women of color. Roy what exactly is that? Wow? True Voice,
Speaker 1: so true voice. Um M. We looked out over the
Speaker 1: landscape and I'm talking to two black men here talk
Speaker 1: about we look over the landscape and so we have
Speaker 1: we try to look through with through the lens of business,
Speaker 1: but also through a cultural lens. And we noticed that
Speaker 1: in the world of mindfulness and and as we deal
Speaker 1: with we deal I hear people talk about wearing the
Speaker 1: same we're all in the same storm. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: we're all in the same boat. We're all in the
Speaker 1: same boat. And no we're in the same storm. We're
Speaker 1: definitely in different boats, right. And so when you look
Speaker 1: at these apps and meditational apps and things like that,
Speaker 1: that we're very general market and there weren't very specific two.
Speaker 1: Um the cultural realities of women of color or people
Speaker 1: of color, and again, predicting rain doesn't count building the
Speaker 1: arc does. We decided that we wanted to play a miss,
Speaker 1: that it would be great to introduce something that had
Speaker 1: that hits some of the cultural beats of that. These
Speaker 1: other mindfulness or um apps, these mindfulness apps were missing
Speaker 1: out on the other part of it is you know,
Speaker 1: see your other question earlier question. Once again, an industry
Speaker 1: was was growing and being valued at hundreds of millions,
Speaker 1: if not billions of dollars, and people of color to
Speaker 1: the degree that they were being thought of, We're only
Speaker 1: thought of as consumers. You weren't thought of as stakeholders
Speaker 1: in these businesses. And we had seen that in so
Speaker 1: many other industries before that. We decided that it be
Speaker 1: good to introduce something like this as fathers of daughters,
Speaker 1: as friends that have each other to lean on and
Speaker 1: talk through other things. Someone who believes in counseling. Um
Speaker 1: Will's mother, it's a clinical psychologists, grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: spent her career in that business. It was something that
Speaker 1: we saw the value in and the importance of, and
Speaker 1: so it wasn't much like you know, to put it
Speaker 1: in layman's terms, think of calm or headspace, but through
Speaker 1: the lens, the cultural lens of minorities or women of color.
Speaker 1: It's really uh, thank you for that, that great response.
Speaker 1: I know that as a black man, and and seeing
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, will the cultural rage worldwide about
Speaker 1: what happened with the George Floyd. You know, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to black men. You know the experience of work we
Speaker 1: have to deal with when a policeman I don't I
Speaker 1: don't comfortably. I don't feel comfortable when the policeman stops
Speaker 1: me because I don't know why he's stopping me, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And when he got pulled out of Mercedes
Speaker 1: Being I told Steven name Smith, I said, the game
Speaker 1: and change they pulled him out of that wouldn't have
Speaker 1: beat up car they pulled him out of. They pulled
Speaker 1: him out of Mercedes Bend, and so that that that
Speaker 1: level of disrespect showed itself. But what also came out
Speaker 1: of this was it was really interesting. And a lot
Speaker 1: of my white friends called me that weekend and go,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was that was the question they said.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. They said that you you actually have
Speaker 1: to deal with this. I said yeah, and so being
Speaker 1: able to almost lived my life through a lens of honesty.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying I didn't because I'm Rushan McDonald.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how I feel and what I fear.
Speaker 1: But if people are looking at me with a sense
Speaker 1: of understanding what I have to deal with, will help
Speaker 1: us win and when I when I And that's why
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring YouTube gentlemen on the show, because
Speaker 1: you're in a world that you know, sometimes people don't
Speaker 1: appreciate you and we'll say you can only do this,
Speaker 1: And we talked about the American experience, but I know
Speaker 1: for a fact you can. Guys can do any experience.
Speaker 1: And so but sometimes you say, I'm gonna win here
Speaker 1: to win here the financial pictures. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: well are you what is the future of your company?
Speaker 1: What is you? You? You? You broke Ron into this,
Speaker 1: Ron is the growth right a partner. What is the
Speaker 1: future of your company and your brand? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: that it's um to one is to get better at
Speaker 1: making the pivot. I think that as we go forward,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the single most important skills that
Speaker 1: we can develop is the ability to pivot. And that's
Speaker 1: how you play the long game, right, UM, because so
Speaker 1: much information that is coming out of so fast things happen,
Speaker 1: things change all the time, and so really honing the
Speaker 1: skills that make us good at being able to pivot.
Speaker 1: And I think when you lear that with what we
Speaker 1: about earlier on even the reason that you that you're
Speaker 1: doing the show in terms of helping people, and when
Speaker 1: you layer that day and how can I help people?
Speaker 1: Helping people sometimes means being philanthropic, sometimes it means providing
Speaker 1: a service for a fee. In terms of developing a business, right,
Speaker 1: So I think for us, it's focusing on those two things.
Speaker 1: How do we continue to add value in markets in
Speaker 1: UM with partners UM and how do we make sure
Speaker 1: that we're always prepared to pivot? And you know, we
Speaker 1: don't get too we don't fall in love too much
Speaker 1: with any one idea or any one project that we
Speaker 1: can't you know, take the blinders off. So I think
Speaker 1: the future of the business is that being open minded,
Speaker 1: being curious, being flexible UM and always leading with UM.
Speaker 1: How do we help push culture in the right direction?
Speaker 1: Awesome guys, UM, I do BI monthly. I do it
Speaker 1: A ninety thousand fan club newsletter goes out twice a month. Um,
Speaker 1: I love to put the true Voice app description banner
Speaker 1: in there, if you don't mind. I have also have
Speaker 1: a platform called HBCU Awards. I'd like to drop that
Speaker 1: banner there because I'm about authenticity, about organically telling the
Speaker 1: story and true voice. I downloaded it. I have a daughter,
Speaker 1: she's twenty four years old. She's graduating from college, trying
Speaker 1: to find her voice, and any platform that allows her
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable and communicating and seeing people like her
Speaker 1: and comfortably communicating those values. It's important to me and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to offer that. Uh Ron will uh live.
Speaker 1: I think she set up this interview. If you get
Speaker 1: that banner to me, I appreciate dropping in there. And again,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. Man. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your time. I know you're busy, fellas. I know you're
Speaker 1: busy fellas. Thank you for your time. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your time, many, thank you, thank you for having us.
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Speaker 1: The next guest, she's she's laying you can't see, but
Speaker 1: she's like very relaxed. Uh who is an eighteen year
Speaker 1: veteran and stand up comedies that started doing standard back
Speaker 1: in ninety two, Death Comedy Jam b G Comedy Views.
Speaker 1: So she's talking to a I would like to say,
Speaker 1: a guy who knows a little thing to do, but
Speaker 1: look at I couldn't do it. Michelle, No strangers, Netflix subscribers,
Speaker 1: the Netflix films Someone Great, Always Be My Being, Always
Speaker 1: Be My Maybe, and Netflix series Or Do All Tales
Speaker 1: of the City, and continued appearances, including the hosting the
Speaker 1: Netflix reality competition series The Circle, which is renewed for
Speaker 1: a second season. She's talented and she's beautiful, and she's
Speaker 1: starting her new Netflix stand up comedy special. Michelle Buto.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Otavia Beutopia. Dad are you are accounting. You
Speaker 1: listed all the things like I gotta start bringing W
Speaker 1: nine to W tense is interview. Well, you know when
Speaker 1: you're busy and you're talented, like you just got renewed
Speaker 1: your a BT plus show got renewed. Correct, Yes, now
Speaker 1: I saw the special first. It was first of all,
Speaker 1: you know what they do with Netflix? Uh, they sent
Speaker 1: me an account. I put my patchword. It was on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and I was in my bed and I started watching
Speaker 1: and someone when people start making me laugh, I have
Speaker 1: to sit up. I'll sit up. And you made me
Speaker 1: sit up, and then you made me stand up Michelle
Speaker 1: because I was laughing, and so so first of all,
Speaker 1: let me let me lay it out. Everybody know about Michelle.
Speaker 1: See when when you're really talented comic and she knows this,
Speaker 1: you hit terms hit you. If you said to a
Speaker 1: normal street person, they might be offended. They be offended
Speaker 1: by but stuff like you silly, you're stupid, you're you crazy.
Speaker 1: You ought to control your food. See if a statup comic,
Speaker 1: who's a real standup comic. Here's those famous they know
Speaker 1: they kicking, But you're funny, you ought to control You're crazy?
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. I really really do, and
Speaker 1: honestly like, and you know this better than like anybody,
Speaker 1: especially since you've been in the game for so long.
Speaker 1: There's always this thing where people don't think women are funny.
Speaker 1: It's just like okay, and it's sort of like what
Speaker 1: I was growing up, and I was the only black
Speaker 1: kid in um a few of the schools I went to.
Speaker 1: My dad was like, you have to be the best
Speaker 1: because you're gonna stand out whether you want it or not.
Speaker 1: And so start stand up in two thousand one. For
Speaker 1: the first five or six years, everywhere I went, I
Speaker 1: was like the only female on a show, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, you have to be the best. And so
Speaker 1: I remember Will sylvinsa hilariousation American comedian in New York,
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it doesn't matter what spot you
Speaker 1: get on the show. A lot of people like the
Speaker 1: third spot the force by everyone has their favorite to
Speaker 1: go first. He's like, doesn't matter, take any spot and
Speaker 1: make it hard for someone to follow you. So I
Speaker 1: was like, bet, and those are the lessons that I
Speaker 1: think we need as comedians or anybody. Like walking into
Speaker 1: a room or like a zoom meeting, or like pitch
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like the question isn't how do I
Speaker 1: become popular? How do I get more followers? How do
Speaker 1: I make money? It's like, if you are talented, the
Speaker 1: money will follow. Well, you know agree, because in this
Speaker 1: business we can't get caught up in the slot in
Speaker 1: the show. Well, first of all, if you can't handle
Speaker 1: the slot, that slot when we your yeah, because everybody
Speaker 1: in the stand a comedy game is gunning for the
Speaker 1: funny person. And then you're an attractive woman, Michelle so
Speaker 1: and I can say this a lot of times people
Speaker 1: will be kind of condescending. Oh he's just getting because
Speaker 1: she's cute, or she last because she's a woman. So
Speaker 1: how did you overcome those negatives? Well that's the thing too,
Speaker 1: write like I worked all the circuits. I worked, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the clubs with like my wife and kids,
Speaker 1: sitcom suit, I did the Chilling circuit, I did the
Speaker 1: gay clubs, and everyone's just like it's a woman, or
Speaker 1: well she's like what she gotta say about this experience?
Speaker 1: Or she cute? How funny can she be? And that's
Speaker 1: the thing that going by what my dad said, you know,
Speaker 1: he also said, never worked for a thank you, So
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'm not gonna work for a thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm just to leava you're welcome, and so all that
Speaker 1: should decided. It doesn't matter how you look, it's it's
Speaker 1: what is inside. And so I know that I have
Speaker 1: a story in my heart that you won't enjoy, either
Speaker 1: you're on board or or not. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just want to make it. I just want to
Speaker 1: make it so hard. I just want to tickle people.
Speaker 1: Like you know how you always focus on the one
Speaker 1: person that's not laughing. I'm like, I'm here for that person,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't focus on that idiot.
Speaker 1: I really don't. You're not gonna bring down my vibe
Speaker 1: because but you're right, you can understand the comment is
Speaker 1: interesting because you can control the side of the room,
Speaker 1: you can full the middle, and it's beautiful when you
Speaker 1: control the entire room. Yes and so, And the goal
Speaker 1: is really the control in any percent of the room,
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna make everybody laugh. That's just life.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's wrong with that person. They might
Speaker 1: be having a bad day, robed car might not start.
Speaker 1: They know when they go outside. Yeah, yea, you never know.
Speaker 1: And that's really important listen to. That we all have
Speaker 1: to know is that you never know what someone's going through.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what happened with Chadwick. I'm just
Speaker 1: like you guys. We have to be nicer to each
Speaker 1: other on the internet. Don't come for someone's looks. You
Speaker 1: do not know what we are going through. So that's
Speaker 1: what I really try to hopefully I did with the
Speaker 1: Special two was yeah, it could be funny, Yeah I
Speaker 1: got stories. Yeah I'm going through ship. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we have to be kind to
Speaker 1: each other. Otherwise it's all for not well. I agree,
Speaker 1: And she's saying Chadwick Boseman, that's who she's referencing, and
Speaker 1: just in somebody's under a rock. Don't know who who
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but a rock fell on their head. Okay,
Speaker 1: now let's say let's talk about your standard special. There's
Speaker 1: on Netflix, uh start September twenty night. UM. Why, First
Speaker 1: of all, one of the Pikes, one of my all
Speaker 1: time favorite people. She's one of the EPs on her
Speaker 1: production company. Tell us about that. Yes, So Wanda owns
Speaker 1: Push the Productions, UM, and she's partners with Paige Horowitz,
Speaker 1: who was an amazing producer who did um last Comic
Speaker 1: Standing all the years she did. Tiffany has his special
Speaker 1: fortune Feamsters, and so they're just like a dynamic do
Speaker 1: of just female empowerment who have been in the game
Speaker 1: long enough to know how to set you up. Um well.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've already been a fan, such a
Speaker 1: fan of Wanda for so long because not only is
Speaker 1: she funny, she's so smart, she's so intelligent, she's so thoughtful.
Speaker 1: So those are the people I want to work with.
Speaker 1: And I felt like I was in a really good company,
Speaker 1: which is great because an hour you are leaving yourself
Speaker 1: vulnerable to a lot of things and sometimes overwhelming, much
Speaker 1: like buying your first car, getting married, people sometimes praying
Speaker 1: your vulnerabilities, and just like, you should do this because
Speaker 1: a lot of people do this. You should do that.
Speaker 1: You should get this venue because this is what they do.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, man, these two women were like,
Speaker 1: what do you want? What? How are we going to
Speaker 1: showcase your personality? What is a night out for you?
Speaker 1: And it's really nice working with people who understand you
Speaker 1: and celebrate you, not tolerate you. And that's important that
Speaker 1: you say that. I wanted to talk about the specially
Speaker 1: a little bit more detailed because of your use your
Speaker 1: ability to wait for the moment, await, to allow that
Speaker 1: moment to build. You know, the value of your facial expressions,
Speaker 1: the look, the cutting of the eye, that the sneaky grin,
Speaker 1: you know, which makes you wonderful actress too. I can't act.
Speaker 1: That's why that's a blessing, as a blessing about that
Speaker 1: ability to wait for the moment. Man, I think that
Speaker 1: just comes with time. You know, you don't know that.
Speaker 1: You don't know you can do that until you've tested
Speaker 1: and tried, test and try. You could do it in
Speaker 1: front of your first gig for two thousand, you could
Speaker 1: do it at that bar show for ten people. You know.
Speaker 1: I think comedy especially, you know, we get stuck in
Speaker 1: the script and it's just like if there's a side
Speaker 1: of you that wants to color outside the box, trust it.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work the first time. But nobody plays
Speaker 1: show pan the first time they played piano. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep away and figure it out. So I feel like
Speaker 1: that definitely comes with time. And also, you know, comedy,
Speaker 1: being a woman in her forties, like all this stuff
Speaker 1: is like I am tired of trying to fit in
Speaker 1: someone else's world, Like, come to mind, this is my world, Utopia.
Speaker 1: You want to celebrate great, you don't, There's something else
Speaker 1: for you on Netflix. There's a lot of ship Go
Speaker 1: watch the Traveler Show. Welcome to Potopia. I can I
Speaker 1: can only follow that time. What you just say? Give
Speaker 1: me a wrap up here, and I want to wrap
Speaker 1: up on a hot note with you. Welcome to Patopia.
Speaker 1: September twenty night, Netflix strowing the incredible Michelle. Michelle, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you when they when they told me that
Speaker 1: you had a comedy special, I went, who When I said,
Speaker 1: not a negative? I didn't know you did stand up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so I went, who
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know? First last first? So
Speaker 1: with success can kind of like high what got you there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's crazy and it's crazy. Also what people know you for?
Speaker 1: What they don't? Right? Right? And so to see you
Speaker 1: doing stand up and I won't give anybody any secret. Way,
Speaker 1: please watch the opening, Please watch them. But I say, stupid, silly, goofy, goofy, goofy,
Speaker 1: goofy and silly the same thing. So she double five,
Speaker 1: double five, double five. But it's a great special, Michelle.
Speaker 1: I want to just thank you, welcome to allowing me
Speaker 1: to see you as a stand up being a guy.
Speaker 1: You know, I've done def jam BT, I've done all
Speaker 1: the comedy special I walked away, and I've had a
Speaker 1: successful careers and producer, writer and manager. And to see
Speaker 1: a fresh face like yours come on a comedy scene.
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to interview my man George Lopez when
Speaker 1: his special air on Netflix. And is a great run
Speaker 1: of new, fresh female talent, tasing yourself in this pandemic
Speaker 1: year of one of them. Congratulations, thank you for Shanna.
Speaker 1: Was so nice to meet you. I hope to see
Speaker 1: you again. You a zoomer in person with a mask
Speaker 1: who knows when you come down. Make sure you people
Speaker 1: let me know. Okay, I got a big, more beautiful office.
Speaker 1: Love to bring you by. We're talking live in my studio. Perfect.
Speaker 1: Don't love it so much. Love you be strong, Thank
Speaker 1: you brother. Bye,