Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she
Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and
Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me
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Speaker 1: next cast is all about playing and all about the
Speaker 1: effort watching his career grow. It's a great career because
Speaker 1: it's by motivating people, uplifting people, giving them a voe
Speaker 1: in the community. That is my next guest, his attorney
Speaker 1: being Crump. He's a naturally recognized trial lawyer. I was
Speaker 1: still manager Steve Harvey and I saw more TV representative
Speaker 1: Trayvarn Martin. Then we make back stage at the Neighborhood
Speaker 1: Awards and we have become great friends. He had a
Speaker 1: dream to impact the lives of African Americans in the
Speaker 1: justice system. Ben's fight for justice has covered many cases
Speaker 1: and his dedication they have families received justice include Ahmad
Speaker 1: Aubrey Martin, Lee Anderson beyand the tailor Jacob Blake, George Florida,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately many others. All these families have turned to
Speaker 1: Mr Crump to turn the spotlight of their injustice on
Speaker 1: their cases. Please working the money making conversations, Attorney Ben Crump,
Speaker 1: how you doing mentor thank you sir. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: tiley you've given me because it was at his Neighborhood
Speaker 1: Awards when we started talking about trying to have your
Speaker 1: voice elevated beyond the courtroom. And you inspire me in
Speaker 1: ways and never ever discourage me. And because of that
Speaker 1: you know, God has blessed me beyond anything we could
Speaker 1: have ever envisioned. We don't to think about it. You know,
Speaker 1: we've done television shows together and and those shows are
Speaker 1: all about injustice, you know. And one of the famous
Speaker 1: quotes you always told me, if you want to see
Speaker 1: the justice ships and play out, just sit in the
Speaker 1: back of any courtroom in America. Tell us about that quote. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, when we did Evidence of Innocence, which I
Speaker 1: still think is one of the best shows that has
Speaker 1: ever been put on TV. That you produced and help
Speaker 1: create this concept of seeing injustice everywhere in America. It's
Speaker 1: not far into any city or state. You go in
Speaker 1: any courtroom. You don't have to take being from word
Speaker 1: for it. Just sit in the back of the courtroom
Speaker 1: and see how just this as being administered. That there
Speaker 1: are two justice systems that governed America, one for white
Speaker 1: America and one for others. And we saw that play
Speaker 1: out in America when they stormed the capital, these Trump supporters,
Speaker 1: and they were treated completely different Rashaan, than any Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter protests ever. I mean they were able to
Speaker 1: bust into the capital. I mean you talk about no trust,
Speaker 1: pass charges, no property damage, no assault, no battery, nothing,
Speaker 1: nobody that they was arrested. And that's just prima facial evidence.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I got from you, Rashan, and
Speaker 1: people like my grandmother is no matter how donting it looks,
Speaker 1: you always got to keep a positive perspective. That's why
Speaker 1: I love doing evidence of innocence with it because, yeah,
Speaker 1: you recognized the injustice, but you know that we will
Speaker 1: overcome the injustice. And that's important that you say that
Speaker 1: because use your your life. You know you've been putting
Speaker 1: the spotlight, movie appearances, TV appearances, you have an award
Speaker 1: show that's in Los Angeles. We want to talk about
Speaker 1: that in a little bit, but the bottom line is
Speaker 1: fighting injustice. What bothers you the most about the cases
Speaker 1: that seems so eerily similar, similar, different stage, different cities,
Speaker 1: but it's the same case. Well, bothers me the most
Speaker 1: Rashon is how they tried to intellectually justify it, you know,
Speaker 1: the unjustified by actions that led to Brianna Taylor being
Speaker 1: killed in her own apartment. I mean, the saint tell
Speaker 1: your home, they bust in the front door, and they
Speaker 1: mutilate your daughter's body, and then they tell her mother
Speaker 1: and her family. Well, technically there are no grounds to
Speaker 1: charge the police officers. Or when you think about Philandoca
Speaker 1: still in Minneapolis, sitting in the driver see his girlfriend
Speaker 1: driving and their baby in the back, and he tells
Speaker 1: the police, I'm a register gun owner, aber gun in
Speaker 1: the glove compartment. You want me to get the registration
Speaker 1: and insurance, I have to reach in the glove compartment.
Speaker 1: He says all of this, But then when he goes
Speaker 1: and gets the the items that the police asked for,
Speaker 1: he sees a gun, he sees black man, and he shoots.
Speaker 1: And yet they intellectually justify that rigion. And that's what
Speaker 1: is most troubling to me, because I often think about
Speaker 1: what Martin Luther King said in the letter from the
Speaker 1: Birmingham Jail. He said, just because they say it's legal,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's right. He said that everything Hitler
Speaker 1: did to the Jews in Germany was legal, but that
Speaker 1: didn't make it right. He says avery was legal, but
Speaker 1: that didn't make it right. He says segregation was legal,
Speaker 1: but that didn't make it right. And they try to
Speaker 1: tell us what they did. The trade bond marketing and
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor and Eric Gardner and so many others was legal.
Speaker 1: But I stand on my bullet poor pit every chance
Speaker 1: I get to remind America, no matter what you say
Speaker 1: is legal, that doesn't make it right. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump, well renowned fame,
Speaker 1: But fame has a cutting edge because you're going the airports,
Speaker 1: people recognize you. Uh you going restaurants, people recognize you,
Speaker 1: and then you take on the responsibility of that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you can't deliver what people's expectations are. I knew when
Speaker 1: we met backstages in the the neighborhood many years ago. Now
Speaker 1: looking at you now, your social media's on fire, your
Speaker 1: television and will front page of various newspaper articles. How
Speaker 1: has that affected your life, both professionally and personally? You know,
Speaker 1: Thank god I have a wonderful wife and uh strong
Speaker 1: family support that allowed me to do the important work
Speaker 1: I do. Um. In fact, it's so funny with shine
Speaker 1: that Netflix is doing a documentary of my life or
Speaker 1: the work I do. I shouldn't say my life. I
Speaker 1: want to believe I got a lot more living to go.
Speaker 1: Thank you U. But Nadia Hagren, who is the award
Speaker 1: winning director who directed Michelle Obama is becoming the most
Speaker 1: watched documentary and Netflix history is uh now doing a
Speaker 1: documentary on my work. And the one thing I tell
Speaker 1: a Rashine is keep up. You all are gonna follow
Speaker 1: me for a year. I mean keep up, because so
Speaker 1: much halp is in the course of a week that
Speaker 1: that's my always worst nightmare, that I'm running out of time.
Speaker 1: That they are creating these hashtags too much, they're killing
Speaker 1: our children too fast that we can barely keep up.
Speaker 1: I mean, every other week seems like there's another hashtag,
Speaker 1: and so that's what we're fighting. I told my eight
Speaker 1: year old daughter, Brooklyn as I left home the day
Speaker 1: after Christmas going to Columbia Columbus, Ohio, because Andre Hill
Speaker 1: was killed a couple of days before Christmas holding a
Speaker 1: cell phone, and the video demonstrated very clearly that he
Speaker 1: was unarmed, and while he was on the ground grasping
Speaker 1: for breath, they then had a supervisor come up at
Speaker 1: the five minutes and said he is still breathing, handcuffing,
Speaker 1: and they did that, and so my daughter was trying
Speaker 1: to understand, but Daddy, why do you have to leave
Speaker 1: the day after Christmas? And I told her, well, baby, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: police brutality and implicit bias don't take a break, not
Speaker 1: even for Christmas. And so that family lost their father.
Speaker 1: And even though it's inconvenient for me to leave you
Speaker 1: on Christmas holiday, can you imagine how convenient baby, it
Speaker 1: is for that family who lost their father. Father? And
Speaker 1: my baby told me, Daddy, I understand. Wow, that's great
Speaker 1: now it was these all these cases are rageous. But
Speaker 1: you U was involved in the case in the Houston
Speaker 1: Galveson area where UH police officer sheriff was on the
Speaker 1: horse and he had a rope around a black man's
Speaker 1: neck as he walked him down the street. Tell us
Speaker 1: the status of that case, and tell and explain to
Speaker 1: everybody exactly detailed what went down with the case. It
Speaker 1: was a homeless man who had mental health issues, and
Speaker 1: the police, for reasons that were still inexplicable, instead of
Speaker 1: putting him in the patrol car and taking him to
Speaker 1: the jail for lottering, they put a rope around his
Speaker 1: neck while he and his partner were on horseback and
Speaker 1: they wrote him down through the middle of town where
Speaker 1: in Galveston, Texas, as we remember, Rashand was one of
Speaker 1: the last places where the slaves were freed. And so
Speaker 1: they literally walked this black man at two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 1: Ye when you look at that, I was outside of Houston.
Speaker 1: There's a booming metropolis. This is not a little little
Speaker 1: little cow town, a little small town hidden way down
Speaker 1: in the south. Galvison has an annual Martograwl festival. You know,
Speaker 1: my my friend brother, he's from Galaster. Galason Ball, big
Speaker 1: football powerhouse down there. So you're not talking about someplace
Speaker 1: that's that's just to the off the map. Like you
Speaker 1: said when you said walking downtown, you're walking them downtown
Speaker 1: in front of a prominent neighborhood, a tourist mecca. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And to answer your question directly, the civil matter has
Speaker 1: been resolved. We represented on the civil matter, but the
Speaker 1: Justice Department is still investigating the matter. But the problem
Speaker 1: I have, r Shine, is that the officer is still
Speaker 1: working on the force. Wow. And then you know, and
Speaker 1: I had Michael Eric Dison, who you know, and his
Speaker 1: book is amazing, and the details that he gave me
Speaker 1: on the armand Abrey case was scary, you know, because
Speaker 1: you had the one guy who's don't want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the case. Somebody was just videotaping. Would
Speaker 1: you if you were the first to call that he
Speaker 1: should be arrested. I remember he said he should be arrested.
Speaker 1: He should be arrested, and eventually he was arrested. When
Speaker 1: you hear the whole story play out, it's even more
Speaker 1: crazy how they attacked and hunted down this young man,
Speaker 1: blocked his hiss, his point of traffic, and trapped him. Yeah, Rishaw,
Speaker 1: it is just outrageous to think that. In we're not
Speaker 1: talking about nineteen thirty and nineteen foury, we're talking about
Speaker 1: twenty a young man was lynched and broad daylight for
Speaker 1: joggon while black, and as you correctly stated, they chased him.
Speaker 1: I mean they chased him for over five minutes. So
Speaker 1: this is not like something where he wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: get away. He was doing everything in his power to
Speaker 1: get away from this lynch mob, this murderous father and
Speaker 1: son duo. And so what ended up happening, and you
Speaker 1: sit on the video, is when they corner him. This
Speaker 1: guy who's recording, who tries to act like he was
Speaker 1: not involved, even though there's text messages that suggest otherwise,
Speaker 1: but when he cornered them, then amad. You hear the
Speaker 1: notion fight a flight, Well, a man had did everything
Speaker 1: he could to take flight from these are nefarious actors.
Speaker 1: But then at that point he literally had to fight
Speaker 1: for his life. But unfortunately it was him fighting with
Speaker 1: his hands and then fighting with a shotgun. A shotgun
Speaker 1: ray shot. That is what they used to take down
Speaker 1: an elephant when it escapes the zoo. My experts tell me,
Speaker 1: unlike a gunshot wound that you can survive because it's
Speaker 1: a single projectile that comes out. But they explained to
Speaker 1: me a shotgun, there are multiple projectiles that come out,
Speaker 1: and the jury room is small. But when those bullets
Speaker 1: going then they expand. They say the exit wound, and
Speaker 1: there will always be an exit room. With a shotgun,
Speaker 1: he said, a good shot, the bullet might stay inside you,
Speaker 1: but with a shotgun, it's gonna exit out. And when
Speaker 1: you look at that video, you see exactly what the
Speaker 1: experts say. They said that the exit one could be
Speaker 1: as big as a coffee cup saucer. And so you
Speaker 1: see at the last part of that video when my
Speaker 1: turns and run and you see the blood spot on
Speaker 1: his back expand you see it's like a teacup saucer
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Speaker 1: talk about that for a minute, like because you immediately
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to attorney civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump here.
Speaker 1: The third guy, the videotape guy, what did you realize
Speaker 1: that he should be you know, prosecuted, that he should
Speaker 1: be arrested too. Yeah, you know, his story didn't quite
Speaker 1: add up when he said, well, he just saw Amad
Speaker 1: running and he just decided that he must be up
Speaker 1: to no good. Let me get and my car grabbed
Speaker 1: my video tape. I just want to record it right right, Well,
Speaker 1: at some point, if you see these guys got guns
Speaker 1: and they're chasing this black guy, why wouldn't you call
Speaker 1: the police. Let's say, hellong, even if for my this
Speaker 1: something the wrong. We shouldn't have these people with guns
Speaker 1: taking the law into their own hand. We should have
Speaker 1: people who are professionals to deal with the situation. But
Speaker 1: he didn't do that, and that was telling to me
Speaker 1: and our co councils. We said, no, this story doesn't
Speaker 1: add up. And then we found out that they had
Speaker 1: an active conversation. When this young man runs through the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get him the next time he runs through here.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool, of course. I want to transition to
Speaker 1: the case that change the world, change this country, bro
Speaker 1: white people out of the streets into the streets. I
Speaker 1: hears say protested George Floyd. I I key part of
Speaker 1: my interview would use it because you was on ground
Speaker 1: zero with that and you saw said some things that
Speaker 1: nobody else can see but experienced it personally. Why did
Speaker 1: George Floyd have the impact his rachel injustice through the
Speaker 1: hands of four police officers changed his country in this world? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, mentor many people asked me that question. Uh,
Speaker 1: what is it about George Floyd that galvanized people all
Speaker 1: across America? Galvanized people all across the globe? And what
Speaker 1: I tell them is that, you know, most of us
Speaker 1: in society had gotten use to see in reality TV,
Speaker 1: but we were still shocked to see the documentary of
Speaker 1: a human being literally being touched to death by the
Speaker 1: people who were supposed to protect and serve them. I mean,
Speaker 1: the documentary of a man being murdered. And even more
Speaker 1: shocking Rashine was the fact that he narroed it the
Speaker 1: documentary of his own death. I mean, you m say
Speaker 1: I can't breathe twenty eight times, and then he says,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't feel my insize, I can't feel
Speaker 1: my legs. He says, tell my children I love them,
Speaker 1: and then he calls out for his mother, even though
Speaker 1: his mother had been dead two years prior to this
Speaker 1: tragic incident. But again, our experts tell us, our psychological
Speaker 1: experts tell us, when you are conscious that you maybe
Speaker 1: leaving this world, the life is escaping your body. You
Speaker 1: think back two when you first came in this world
Speaker 1: and who was your first pretty tecta. For many of us,
Speaker 1: that person was our mother. And so they say, it's
Speaker 1: very logical to hear George Floyd calling out for his
Speaker 1: mama as this guy has his knee on his neck
Speaker 1: for eight minutes and forty six seconds while another officer
Speaker 1: has two knees on his back compressing to die fram
Speaker 1: where he can't take oxygen in and expend oxygen to
Speaker 1: be able to breathe, and the fact that they offer
Speaker 1: him no humanity, no professionalism, no consideration. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking to watch that video and the reason I
Speaker 1: think people were marching and cities all across America, and
Speaker 1: cities all across the world. Is because once you see
Speaker 1: that video, you cannot see it. It has a permanent
Speaker 1: and racion on your psyche. And that is why George
Speaker 1: Floyd literally changed the world and why we have the
Speaker 1: George Floyd Justice and Police and Act that has passed
Speaker 1: the United States House of Representatives and where the victory
Speaker 1: and Georgia returned and control of the Senate to the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. We believe that George Floyd Justice and Police
Speaker 1: and Act will be signed into the law by President
Speaker 1: elect Joe Biden and President elect Vice President let Kamala
Speaker 1: has my dear friend who will be president and Vice President.
Speaker 1: I'm proud to say, what is the law? Explain to
Speaker 1: my listeners and my viewers. Oh, the George Floyd Justice
Speaker 1: and uh Police and Accountability Act is act that is very,
Speaker 1: very inclusive of many of the things that the Congressional
Speaker 1: Caucus has fought for for decades. It includes abolishing the chokehole.
Speaker 1: Many people are not aware of shine that the chokehole
Speaker 1: is legal in many cities across America and the fact
Speaker 1: that seventy percent of the time the chokehole is executed
Speaker 1: by police. It's against people of color, especially minorities who
Speaker 1: are men. And then it's a abolishing the no knock warrants,
Speaker 1: which again is disproportionately executed against black people in America.
Speaker 1: That led to the death of Brianna Taylor. And it
Speaker 1: was foresyable that if you keep knocking in black people
Speaker 1: houses at one in the morning, that innocent victim like
Speaker 1: a Brianna Taylor would be killed. And they're not knocking
Speaker 1: in the doors of our white brothers and sisters. No,
Speaker 1: they're doing this to black people in America, And so
Speaker 1: it abolishes that. But then it also speaks to transparency,
Speaker 1: which is the body camera video, the fact that you
Speaker 1: have to have your body camera home when you engage
Speaker 1: a citizen for any confrontation, and if they are brutalized
Speaker 1: and if they are at worst killed and you didn't
Speaker 1: have that body came on, it is a rebuttable presumption
Speaker 1: that you did something nefarious or inappropriate or illegal, and
Speaker 1: you have to then we're not saying take the police
Speaker 1: officers due process of the law away from him. You're
Speaker 1: all innocent into proving guilty. However, there would be a
Speaker 1: rebuttable presumption that you now have to prove that there
Speaker 1: was not something you did illegal as to why that
Speaker 1: body camera was on. And finally, or when I should
Speaker 1: say two more important things. It deals with having a
Speaker 1: national registry. We don't have any national count or registry
Speaker 1: of the number of police involves shootings and killings and
Speaker 1: rode for deaths in America. And so now the George
Speaker 1: Floyd at will have the FBI keep track of all
Speaker 1: of those statistics as well as the complaints against police officers.
Speaker 1: So like in Tamil rights to twelve year old who
Speaker 1: was killed in Cleveland or iiO by a guy who
Speaker 1: had been fired six months earlier, left one police department
Speaker 1: and went right up the street to Cleveland and got
Speaker 1: another job. So people don't know because there's no national
Speaker 1: registry that monitors all of this here. And then finally
Speaker 1: this notion of qualified immunity that the Supreme Court of
Speaker 1: the United States has said, you know, you can't Monday
Speaker 1: morning quarterback to police. Uh, you you were not there.
Speaker 1: And so if he says he had a reasonable fear,
Speaker 1: because you know that's what the Supreme Court has said,
Speaker 1: all the police have to do is say three words,
Speaker 1: I felt fear, I felt threatened. And then they say,
Speaker 1: but he's justified and using deadly force even if the
Speaker 1: young black person was running away from them, kind of
Speaker 1: like in Jacob Blake Jr. And Connosha, Wisconsin, like Lakwa
Speaker 1: McDonald in Chicago, Illinois, like Walter Scott and uh South Carolina,
Speaker 1: like Terence Crutcher walking away with his hands up in
Speaker 1: broad daylight in tos Oklahoma. You know, in so many
Speaker 1: other cases Stephanie Clark running in Sacramento, California and his
Speaker 1: grandmother's backyard and they shoot us in the back, and
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and said, well, all the officers got
Speaker 1: to do and say I felt threatened and that is
Speaker 1: enough to justify these unjustifiable acts. So George Floyd, Justice
Speaker 1: and Police and Accountability at is saying that, no, no,
Speaker 1: you have to have an objective, reasonable articulation to use
Speaker 1: deadly force, not just that this subjective fear, this imaginary
Speaker 1: fear that you well, I felt threatened because of the
Speaker 1: color of a person's skin. Skin. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this because I text you several times because especially during
Speaker 1: the George Floyd, the COVID nteen was raging. We didn't
Speaker 1: know it definitely had no vaccine at the time. The
Speaker 1: country is shut down in the month of it started
Speaker 1: to reopen in May, and I was worried, man, And
Speaker 1: you were still out there on the front lines. You
Speaker 1: wore a mask because sometimes idy to see you with
Speaker 1: a mask on. A word I text you said, brother,
Speaker 1: keep that mask on. I love you. Indeed you have
Speaker 1: to go home. Talk about that whole journey, because you're
Speaker 1: the job to do. But then also you were putting
Speaker 1: yourself on the front lines of danger with COVID ninteen.
Speaker 1: Talk about that run. Yeah, you know, I had stayed
Speaker 1: home literally for about two months, didn't leave the house.
Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to follow all the rules.
Speaker 1: And then George Floyd happened. And it was something about
Speaker 1: seeing that video that I said, I I can't not
Speaker 1: go to fight for justice for this family when they
Speaker 1: call me heartbroken, you know, his brother for longness, uh
Speaker 1: reminded me of Sabrina Fulton. All they could do is
Speaker 1: cry because as Brinna Fulton was Traybon Martin's mother. When
Speaker 1: we first started, it was just overran with emotions. As
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I slept in the bed as
Speaker 1: a little brother with my big brother, and to see them,
Speaker 1: I mean, kill him like that, man, we gotta havesice.
Speaker 1: We need you being crump And you know so often
Speaker 1: I tell people that when God gives us these blessings
Speaker 1: and these talents and these fancy law degrees, is to
Speaker 1: go out and try to help the least of these,
Speaker 1: the people who don't have a voice, to people who
Speaker 1: are disenfranchised, victimized and marginalizes. And so I had to
Speaker 1: answer the bell. And then after George Floyd, you have
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, had to Brianna Taylor, you had Jacob Blake,
Speaker 1: after Jacob Blake. Yeah, Andre Helen. For too long, you know,
Speaker 1: I was back to doing what Ben Croum doing. Is
Speaker 1: Reverend Ali Sharpton says, you know, Ben Crumpt, you are
Speaker 1: Black America's attorney general. Thank you very much. That's how
Speaker 1: you in the inter you the attorney to guneral Black America,
Speaker 1: super vite attorney being from my brother mega side fire
Speaker 1: from Trayborn Martin Man. I tell you the journey is
Speaker 1: never gonna stop for you, but to love that the
Speaker 1: mary it has for you. You feel it every time
Speaker 1: you go in the airport, every time you see that
Speaker 1: in the restaurant. People respect what you're doing. And all
Speaker 1: I remember man who's at the day, but who the
Speaker 1: wards to reach on. I just want to make a difference, man.
Speaker 1: I just want to let people know the talent that
Speaker 1: God has given me and let it shine on people
Speaker 1: so I can help them the justice system. And that's
Speaker 1: what you've been doing, Ben. I love you for it. Man. Hey,
Speaker 1: I love you, mentor, and thank you so much for
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