Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge podcast,
Speaker 1: coming to you live on a Wednesday morning. My name
Speaker 1: is Stephen and I am the host as always, and
Speaker 1: joining me is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's I mean?
Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome.
Speaker 3: I've probably heard too many holiday songs at this point.
Speaker 3: We're approaching that point of the year where I gotta
Speaker 3: start turning one to three point.
Speaker 2: Five off, but otherwise I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: Steven, how are you doing great? I have started my
Speaker 1: Christmas break, so I know you guys are are starting
Speaker 1: this later this week. My wife starts later this week,
Speaker 1: so it's been good. I've watched and studied four draft
Speaker 1: prospects this week, so making some good use of my
Speaker 1: time off and getting ahead on that front. So doing great.
Speaker 1: Holidays are obviously rapidly approaching, so from Tyler and I
Speaker 1: and the the Chargers Channel, we wish you guys listening
Speaker 1: a very happy holidays. Hopefully you guys have a great
Speaker 1: time celebrating in the next week or so. I can't
Speaker 1: believe we're like a week less than a week away
Speaker 1: from Christmas. It's just like zooming in on the closing
Speaker 1: of the year. So from me and Tyler and everybody else,
Speaker 1: wish you guys a happy holidays. Hopefully everybody is safe.
Speaker 1: Hoping everybody traveling arrives at their destination and has a
Speaker 1: great time celebrating with friends and family. Have a very
Speaker 1: busy show to get to today. Obviously, the Chargers have
Speaker 1: decided to move on from Brandon Staley and Tom Tolesco.
Speaker 1: This is the first time that we'll be discussing those
Speaker 1: moves today and this is obviously a point of inflection
Speaker 1: and reflection from the franchise going on. Owner and chair
Speaker 1: Dean Spanos said that they're going to reimagine what it
Speaker 1: means to, you know, take part in this process, and
Speaker 1: so we decided that we felt like we needed to
Speaker 1: kind of take a step back as well and reflect
Speaker 1: on the of Tom Telesco and Brandon Staley. So we'll
Speaker 1: do some of that today. We've gotten a press conference
Speaker 1: from John Spanos, the president football operations, as well as
Speaker 1: interim head coach Gift Smith, so we'll have some thoughts
Speaker 1: there as well. Before we get started, of course, have
Speaker 1: to say that we are fans of the team first
Speaker 1: and foremost. The opinions that we reflect on this show
Speaker 1: that are not reflective of the Chargers organization. They are
Speaker 1: the opinions of Tyler and myself. We've been in this
Speaker 1: platform and are very grateful for it, and I am
Speaker 1: very grateful for the support from the Charger organization as
Speaker 1: well as you guys listening. So none of that would
Speaker 1: be possible without all of them. Tyan and I are
Speaker 1: very excited and appreciative to be here. That being said, Tyler,
Speaker 1: let's start with the press conference from John Spanos, the
Speaker 1: president Football Operations. He went fifty five minutes with local reporters.
Speaker 1: We were not fortunate enough to partake in that press conference,
Speaker 1: but we obviously have the cliff notes version, if you will,
Speaker 1: all of the quotes afterwards. Where do you kind of
Speaker 1: want to start with this? I think this was obviously
Speaker 1: the first to speak to the public from the Charger
Speaker 1: organization after the decision to move on from Brandon Say
Speaker 1: and Tom to Plasco. So what was your big takeaway
Speaker 1: from mister John Spanos?
Speaker 2: The big takeaway?
Speaker 3: Now, there's an aspect of this where saying all the
Speaker 3: right things is saying all the right things. What occurs
Speaker 3: and what happens could be very different. We don't know,
Speaker 3: but the big takeaway, and I think what stood out
Speaker 3: to a lot of Chargers fans was the notion that
Speaker 3: there was no discussed max dollar amount when it came
Speaker 3: to the next coach. They just want whoever is the best,
Speaker 3: and that coaching experience, while not completely necessary, is a bonus.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of Chargers fans, if they
Speaker 3: were going to be scrolling through Eric Smith's article looking
Speaker 3: for anything, they were looking for something related to that.
Speaker 2: And so to at least hear that.
Speaker 3: They are open to bringing anyone in the best guys
Speaker 3: and that spending is spared, no expense, it's currently no issue,
Speaker 3: I think that's at least encouraging for Chargers fans to
Speaker 3: hear we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, we encouraged on our show
Speaker 1: everybody listening to be kind of open to the process.
Speaker 1: And you know, people have already decided that they want
Speaker 1: Coach X and nobody else to be the coach of
Speaker 1: the franchise, and that's just simply not how the franchise
Speaker 1: is going to go about this. And I think it
Speaker 1: in particular from a GM standpoint, Mister John Spanna said
Speaker 1: that they're going to cast a very wide net, and
Speaker 1: I think that is is smart business, especially from a
Speaker 1: front office perspective. You know, there's so many quality front
Speaker 1: office people out there. You know, it's not just like
Speaker 1: current and former GMS that they're going to pull from.
Speaker 1: You know, there's assistant gms, there's directors of player personnel,
Speaker 1: there's directors of college scouting. There's so many different ways
Speaker 1: to pull from that specific crowd, and so much focus
Speaker 1: of this current process from a fan perspective, is on
Speaker 1: the head coaching front, and I think it's important to
Speaker 1: state that this GM search is probably the one that
Speaker 1: comes first. You know, Tom Telesco was hired on January ninth,
Speaker 1: and Mike McCoy was hired a few days after that, so,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't really know how much of a
Speaker 1: role Tom Telesco played in that hiring process because it
Speaker 1: was a pretty quick turnaround. But we've seen around the
Speaker 1: league and from previous history that the GM is going
Speaker 1: to be the one that gets hired first. So I
Speaker 1: do think it's important to point out that this this
Speaker 1: why net is going to apply to both the head
Speaker 1: coach and the GM hirings. This isn't going to be.
Speaker 1: You know, they already have their candidate kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: I think they are planning and rightfully so, to interview
Speaker 1: several candidates from several different areas on both of those sides,
Speaker 1: And so I think it is important to point out that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's not going to be one kind of
Speaker 1: candidate that they're zeroing in on right away, like they realize.
Speaker 1: I think part of this reimagining process is to get
Speaker 1: information and input from a variety of resources, if you will,
Speaker 1: on both of these hiring front. So I'm glad you
Speaker 1: pointed it out from a financial standpoint. The wy Nen,
Speaker 1: I think is also important to discuss here.
Speaker 3: Yes, because there are so many great candidates at both
Speaker 3: head coach opportunities and at GM, and some of these
Speaker 3: guys come together a sort of like a package deal,
Speaker 3: potentially from the same places, from the same background, from
Speaker 3: the same circles, that sort of thing. I do want
Speaker 3: to point out that he did say that the GM
Speaker 3: could go first in terms of being hired, and they've
Speaker 3: done that before, but it is not necessarily going to
Speaker 3: officially be that way. They're not officially saying, hey, we're
Speaker 3: going to go get a GM first and then the coach, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, some of these guys do kind of
Speaker 3: come as almost like a package deal, so I think
Speaker 3: that it wouldn't the head coach. Hier might indicate who
Speaker 3: the GM hire might be as well, or even vice versa,
Speaker 3: so I think they're good with either. The other thing
Speaker 3: I want to point out, of course, is that he
Speaker 3: said that the Chargers would focus around Justin Herbert as
Speaker 3: the number one priority.
Speaker 2: Is that a surprise?
Speaker 3: Not really, but I do think that may. While I
Speaker 3: do believe they'll interview many defensive head coach candidates, to me,
Speaker 3: if Justin Herbert is truly your number one priority, which
Speaker 3: he should be, then to me, you're really looking at
Speaker 3: us someone with an offensive background here. So of course,
Speaker 3: plenty of great opportunities are probably great coaches out there
Speaker 3: from a defensive background. But to me, this does feel
Speaker 3: like offense will be the priority here today and moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's the right approach as well,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. You know, they just did the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator thing. Obviously, Brandon Staty was a former quarterback and
Speaker 1: so that vision of having somebody who could do both
Speaker 1: sides did not really come to fruition but I think
Speaker 1: for as many people who want or are focusing on
Speaker 1: just like the leadership aspect of things, or like fixing
Speaker 1: the fixing the defense aspect of things, those are sound approaches,
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily disagree with those approaches, but the
Speaker 1: trends around the league are so tilted towards the offense.
Speaker 1: And you look at the current playoff picture, and the
Speaker 1: majority of the teams in the playoffs are rooted with
Speaker 1: offensive coaches. I mean, this season, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: takeaways from an NFL league wide perspective, I think is
Speaker 1: the impact a quality backup quarterback can have. But you
Speaker 1: look at the teams who have an offensive coach with
Speaker 1: those backup quarterbacks, those are the ones that are really
Speaker 1: kind of leading things right now. You know, you can
Speaker 1: look across the league in terms of like the playoff picture,
Speaker 1: you know, the Vikings, the Colts, these teams who have
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks are largely dealing with offensive coaching staffs. So
Speaker 1: I think that is a league wide trend. The issue
Speaker 1: is obviously, like how many quality candidates do you really
Speaker 1: have from an offensive side of perspective versus the defensive
Speaker 1: side of things. There's been such an influence on the
Speaker 1: offensive side that it feels like we're recycling through the
Speaker 1: same kind of defensive candidates and they're all like, hey,
Speaker 1: like look at me, like like I want to establish
Speaker 1: myself here. There's not really a ton of offensive guys
Speaker 1: because they've all been getting these other jobs. I think
Speaker 1: that's a good point as well.
Speaker 3: And that's where the money is not an issue thing
Speaker 3: really comes into play, because if there's the one guy
Speaker 3: who is the top candidate at Chargers fans, the consensus
Speaker 3: that is this is one particular individual in terms of
Speaker 3: a coordinator in the NFL right now, who is the
Speaker 3: top candidate. If money is no issue, they're gonna good
Speaker 3: at that person. So again that's regardless of what route
Speaker 3: they go, they're gonna get one of the top guys,
Speaker 3: which is very encouraging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's a job that, as we said
Speaker 1: on our channel, is very attractive. John Spano's pointed out
Speaker 1: the fact that they've had the most expensive, one of
Speaker 1: the most expensive rosters over the last two years in
Speaker 1: terms of a cash spending output. They have the new
Speaker 1: facility in El Segundo opening up like they I think
Speaker 1: we can take that comment seriously about money being no
Speaker 1: issue because they've shown from a roster standpoint, from a
Speaker 1: practice facility standpoint, that they are very willing to spend money.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's a different case than twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just really really believed in Brandon Staley. Maybe
Speaker 1: there wasn't a real option to like go out and
Speaker 1: spend a ton of money from a coaching standpoint, but
Speaker 1: the impression that they're showing us as franchise is that
Speaker 1: they are willing to spend money, and I do think
Speaker 1: that is going to show up in the coaching search.
Speaker 1: I do want to get ahead of something regarding that front.
Speaker 1: There is a there is an offensive coordinator candidate named
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, and if he gets hired, people are gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: this is another cheap hire. Ben Johnson is not going
Speaker 1: to be free. Like. He has a big, big, big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big big fan of his in Caroline and mister David Pittepper.
Speaker 1: So if the Chargers are going go after Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: it is going to cost them. It is not going
Speaker 1: to be the usual, you know, cheap offensive coordinator because
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is going to command a lot of attention
Speaker 1: in this cycle. We'll have a lot more to cover
Speaker 1: on that front, but I did want to get ahead
Speaker 1: of that because I do think the money is no
Speaker 1: objective thing. Also applies to mister Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree there Again, it's like a spoiler
Speaker 3: as probably the number one candidate in terms of offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator first time hires.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be an issue, but story for
Speaker 3: another time. We'll get to that in a few months,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Yes. And we did cover our top head coaching rankings
Speaker 1: on our own channel on Saturday, so please go check
Speaker 1: that up. Are the other press conference we want to
Speaker 1: get to is mister Gifts Smith. I think great way
Speaker 1: to make a first impression today. If you missed the video,
Speaker 1: I would definitely encourage you to go check it out.
Speaker 1: I think my biggest takeaway from all of the press
Speaker 1: conferences today in the comments is that this this is
Speaker 1: a move for the players. I think this is a
Speaker 1: coach who has been around the block. This is a
Speaker 1: coach who has the respect of the locker room, a
Speaker 1: coach who can build on these relationships. And I think
Speaker 1: Ethan Stick pointed out something that's really really important is
Speaker 1: that Gift Smith is the outside linebackers coach. But he
Speaker 1: has relationships with everybody on the team. He's not just
Speaker 1: I'm just with Joey and Khalil and Too Lee and
Speaker 1: Chris Rump and Justin Hollins and all these guys. I'm
Speaker 1: the coach of the Chargers, and I think that's showing
Speaker 1: up in the team's decision to hire him. And I
Speaker 1: think like that aspect of how he has commanded the
Speaker 1: respect of the players is really important as an interim
Speaker 1: head coach, and I think that showed through today and
Speaker 1: I think it will show through in the final three games.
Speaker 1: This team really really, I think is going to rally
Speaker 1: around Giftsmith from a competitive standpoint, and I think that
Speaker 1: will prove that he was kind of the right choice
Speaker 1: of interim head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a guy who's been with the Chargers
Speaker 3: through three different coaches now three different stadiums. He's been
Speaker 3: there for a very, very long time and knows a
Speaker 3: lot of these players. He's the longest tenured coach on
Speaker 3: the Chargers, and you can just see from the press
Speaker 3: conference why these players like him so much.
Speaker 2: I really liked how thoughtful he was.
Speaker 3: With his comments, like how gracious he was both talking
Speaker 3: about himself personally and then you know, with the media,
Speaker 3: and he's just got this perfect blend of self deprecating humor.
Speaker 3: You know when he said when someone asked him, you know,
Speaker 3: what do you think of the last week and how
Speaker 3: are you doing this this big change, and he said, well,
Speaker 3: I wish I had lost some weight, which I dropped
Speaker 3: a few pounds before this press conference.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think, that right, combination of being very thoughtful, being
Speaker 3: you know, very serious of course, but also being able
Speaker 3: to find the right points of levity and to make
Speaker 3: jokes about yourself in a season where things haven't been
Speaker 3: so great and obviously just lost the head coach, he
Speaker 3: lost Jay Rodgers, lost Tom to LESCo. I think he's just,
Speaker 3: at least for right now, the perfect leader that the
Speaker 3: Chargers need. And so I really did enjoy and it
Speaker 3: really did appreciate listening to him at the podium today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did as well. I think he made a
Speaker 1: great first impression and I'm not surprised by that. Like
Speaker 1: we we've heard, like position players that he coaches, like
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa raves about him, Melvin Ingram raved about him.
Speaker 1: Khalilh and Tuley have all raved about him. We know
Speaker 1: that he's a great position coach, and I think he's
Speaker 1: earned this opportunity to lead the whole locker room. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's an important aspect because these
Speaker 1: all of these players, all of these coaches, as he
Speaker 1: pointed it out, have a three game season and it
Speaker 1: might not result in wins. But gifts goal here is
Speaker 1: to write the ship from a competitive standpoint. You know,
Speaker 1: he was asked about the the Raiders game from last Thursday,
Speaker 1: and he was, like, he was upfront about it. We
Speaker 1: flushed it as a team. It was embarrassing. We're onto Buffalo,
Speaker 1: like basically, you know, that's that's the message for these teams,
Speaker 1: for these players right now is to get right for
Speaker 1: the Buffalo game and let's get back to putting out
Speaker 1: some quality film. Let's get back to competing out there.
Speaker 1: They obviously have the goal of winning games and that
Speaker 1: that is is not going to change even though the
Speaker 1: team is essentially out of the playoff picture. But I
Speaker 1: think Gift's mindset is the right mindset for this team
Speaker 1: right now, and I think his leadership qualities, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows what happens from from this point on. I
Speaker 1: hope that he's able to stay on the staff going
Speaker 1: forward because he is such a valuable position coach. But
Speaker 1: this is a chance for him to show, hey, like
Speaker 1: I can lead an entire locker room. This isn't just
Speaker 1: I'm good at my one job, Like I can expand
Speaker 1: my role going forward. And I think all of these coaches,
Speaker 1: all of these players have that same opportunity. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's rightfully being led by mister Gift Smith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has certain qualities that I hope he does
Speaker 3: stick around, because whoever the head coaches guy has been
Speaker 3: in the league for a while, a new guy, whatever,
Speaker 3: you want a Gift Smith in your locker room. I
Speaker 3: think just what he provides to these players as that
Speaker 3: calming presence, but as someone who's also really really good
Speaker 3: at his job, so you can respect him in that regard,
Speaker 3: even just that minimum. He's very very good at his job.
Speaker 3: But I just love the approach he took to the
Speaker 3: press conference today. Really really solid job, honestly, And I
Speaker 3: do hope he does stick around. I hope it's like
Speaker 3: a and it might feel like this, like a Jeff
Speaker 3: Stotlin sort of, you know, with Philly through many different hires,
Speaker 3: many different coaches over a decade, like he's just going
Speaker 3: to remain the constant there. I think gives me would
Speaker 3: do that, and frankly I would if you have Khalil Mack,
Speaker 3: Joey Tooley, whoever it is next year, don't separate them
Speaker 3: from Gift Smith and don't separate this locker room from
Speaker 3: them either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's one of said. From a
Speaker 1: schematic standpoint, we do have to mention also, Derek Ansley
Speaker 1: has been the defensive coordinator, but obviously without Brandon Staley,
Speaker 1: he is going to call the plays. John Timu is
Speaker 1: the defensive line coach now going forward without Jay Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and then Robert Muschamp is essentially the outside linebackers coach
Speaker 1: going forward as well. Gift said that he is going
Speaker 1: to continue working with the outside linebackers, but obviously he
Speaker 1: has a bigger role now, so Robert must Champ is
Speaker 1: going to take over the main time there, you know.
Speaker 1: Regarding Derek Ansley, Gifts said that there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: subtle changes. There's going to be an opportunity for Asley
Speaker 1: to put his fingerprints on this defense. He did also
Speaker 1: hinted some potential personnel changes. But this, again, this is
Speaker 1: kind of a house many situations. So if I'm Derek Ansley,
Speaker 1: like I'm just I'm going to coach as free as
Speaker 1: I can. I'm going to try and get these players
Speaker 1: to play as free as I can. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's been a defensive coordinator before in the college level.
Speaker 1: I am excited, at least curious to see what Derek
Speaker 1: Ansey can do with this defense over the final three games.
Speaker 1: Obviously very difficult task against the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 1: and the Denver Broncos. But what are your thoughts, Tyler
Speaker 1: about a Derek Ansley led defense going forward?
Speaker 3: You said it perfectly, it's house money the Chargers. Yes,
Speaker 3: they have games to lose, but they have really nothing
Speaker 3: to lose at this point, so let loose. And it
Speaker 3: seems like from our perspective standing on the sidelines at
Speaker 3: training camp, these guys love Derek Ansley, and so I
Speaker 3: think that with just a bit of a change here
Speaker 3: with Giff of course and now with Derek Ansley, I
Speaker 3: think that the players would be more inspired and go
Speaker 3: play really well. I'm excited to see what happens because
Speaker 3: we just saw the most points allowed by the Chargers
Speaker 3: in NFL history. I don't think that happens again. But
Speaker 3: I'm curious how much better the Chargers defense could be.
Speaker 3: And if it's really bad, that's okay. The defense wasn't
Speaker 3: great all year anyhow. But if they're better, and they're
Speaker 3: really really good, and they seem to be improved, and
Speaker 3: Derek Ansley gives Smith, they're able to unlock something that
Speaker 3: maybe just couldn't be found throughout this season so far,
Speaker 3: could be exciting. And I think that while I don't
Speaker 3: know how much the Chargers are going to do in
Speaker 3: terms of, you know, who they hire and how many
Speaker 3: coaches are back and et cetera, et cetera, I think
Speaker 3: these are really really solid opportunities for these coaches to
Speaker 3: go audition and be like, hey, look what I just
Speaker 3: did in three games with no time. Really, here's what
Speaker 3: I did in three games. Here's what it looked like.
Speaker 3: Here's my resume. Like, I think it's a really important
Speaker 3: one for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, from a Bills standpoint, this specific week,
Speaker 1: you know they're in the middle of a playoff one,
Speaker 1: like they have a very important game against the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins coming up that can essentially decide the division. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a cross country trip, like they like, this
Speaker 1: is an opportunity for the Chargers to jump on them.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's going to happen, but again, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're this Chargers team coming off that game,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Bills do come into town with
Speaker 1: a little bit less of an emphasis on this game
Speaker 1: that people are thinking, and maybe that's an opportunity for
Speaker 1: you to jump on them. So go be aggressive. Go,
Speaker 1: you know, let these guys play free, Let let them
Speaker 1: fly around a little bit and see what can happen
Speaker 1: from you the Chargers perspective, that's you might as well
Speaker 1: because you're you have three games left, get highlighted that
Speaker 1: and it's about getting this team back to competitive do
Speaker 1: a competitive results after this pass game against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: So we'll be very interesting to see what happens with
Speaker 1: Gif Smith and Derek Ansley going forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's your your gift.
Speaker 3: You get to play Josh Allen the Broncos who just
Speaker 3: did a really good job scoring on you, and then
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have fun.
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Speaker 1: with on Location all right, We wanted to, like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: discuss some lessons learned from the Brandon Staley and Tom
Speaker 1: Telesco era. Obviously, the Tom Tellsco era spans eleven years,
Speaker 1: like Tyler mentioned, three different stadiums, three different coaches. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley is the one head coach over the last
Speaker 1: two and three quarters of a year. But we wanted
Speaker 1: to figure out what kind of reimagining might be happening
Speaker 1: going on. Obviously, the Charge ownership group is going to
Speaker 1: be the ones to look for specifics here, but from
Speaker 1: our perspective, we wanted to highlight some things that potentially
Speaker 1: need to change going forward and some lessons learned. So, Tyler,
Speaker 1: when you look back on these two ten years and
Speaker 1: maybe some common threads here, what's your biggest lesson over
Speaker 1: the Tom Telesco and Brandon Stately eras.
Speaker 3: Easy, and I think Chargers fans have been frustrated by
Speaker 3: this for quite some time. And that's that if you
Speaker 3: choose to be a draft and develop team, you cannot
Speaker 3: avoid moving down to the draft to accumulate more draft picks,
Speaker 3: and you have to become more successful with a comppick formula.
Speaker 3: The Chargers have given up eight draft picks since twenty
Speaker 3: thirteen to go up in the draft to.
Speaker 2: Trade for a player, et cetera.
Speaker 3: The total draft value lost by those picks is nine
Speaker 3: hundred and one points, which is equivalent to about the
Speaker 3: eighteenth overall pick in the NFL Draft. The Chargers, on
Speaker 3: the flip side, have only added seven compensatory picks since
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, technically twenty thirteen. Telesco's GM you don't get
Speaker 3: the compicks for stuff that you didn't do from the
Speaker 3: previous year, so only seven compicks in that span, So
Speaker 3: you've given up eight. You've lost in terms of total
Speaker 3: value the eighteenth overall pick in the draft, and you've
Speaker 3: only gotten seven comppicks over that span, where six of
Speaker 3: those years you had zero, and the only really quote
Speaker 3: unquote good one you've received was one that just had
Speaker 3: to happen because Philip Rivers moved on. They got that
Speaker 3: third round pick, and these it on Trey McKitty, which
Speaker 3: is unfortunate that that that specific player hasn't worked out.
Speaker 3: But the Ravens, for example, I've had twenty two compensatory
Speaker 3: picks over that exact same span, and what they've done
Speaker 3: to is now it sort of depends on the players
Speaker 3: you let go. It sort of depends on, you know,
Speaker 3: the contracts that they receive, of course, but the Ravens
Speaker 3: have not just a few seventh round picks and sixth
Speaker 3: round picks, like the Chargers have had a lot of
Speaker 3: fourth rounders, some third rounders, fifth rounders. The Chargers have
Speaker 3: to be better at that because you're now getting into,
Speaker 3: especially in twenty twenty five, the bulk of this justin
Speaker 3: Herbert contract, and you have to find ways to find
Speaker 3: advantages where you didn't before. And to me, it's not easy.
Speaker 3: I know, you have to find a trade partner, things
Speaker 3: have to be correct, the boards, etc. But you have
Speaker 3: to find a way to trade back. You have to
Speaker 3: find a way to accumulate compensatory picks because this team
Speaker 3: is going to need it. They can't just go out
Speaker 3: and spend as much as they could before. The team
Speaker 3: needs these picks, and frankly, you just need the depth
Speaker 3: and you need more at bats. You know, not every
Speaker 3: player you could draft the exact same way in terms
Speaker 3: of hits versus misses. You could draft the exact same way.
Speaker 3: Let's say it's a third of your picks or hits
Speaker 3: and two thirds are misses. Well, if you get one
Speaker 3: or two more at bats every draft, you are going
Speaker 3: to have more hits. Maybe the percentage doesn't increase, but
Speaker 3: you're going to have more and that's what the Chargers
Speaker 3: need moving forward. So to me, that's arguably I think
Speaker 3: been the most frustrating aspect of the entire tenure. And
Speaker 3: nothing obviously changed and nothing was particularly different there with
Speaker 3: the Dally era as well, So I think that needs
Speaker 3: to be a strong emphasis and change moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you know, overall flexibility, I think is
Speaker 1: something that needs to increase going forward. You mentioned that
Speaker 1: the draft perspective, I think you can look at ways
Speaker 1: these other contenders have gained an advantage moving forward. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to you know, the Lions are kind of
Speaker 1: like the hot commodity right now, and they drafted good
Speaker 1: Jumior Gibbs in the first round. They said after the
Speaker 1: draft that they would have taken jamieer Gibbs at their
Speaker 1: current at their designated slot heading into the draft. They
Speaker 1: instead traded down and then still took him. So like,
Speaker 1: that's that's a way that you can make up the
Speaker 1: extra margin. I don't have the exact draft package in
Speaker 1: front of me, but they loved the guy. They still
Speaker 1: traded down and still were able to pick the guy
Speaker 1: that they loved. You look at what the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: did in the Orlando Brown trade. They moved on from
Speaker 1: a player who they didn't necessarily think was going to
Speaker 1: give them, you know, proper value, and they also didn't
Speaker 1: think that like the compensatory pick would be that strong.
Speaker 1: So they moved out there and they traded Orlando Brown
Speaker 1: and they took Tyler Lennerbaum and Kyle Hamilton with one
Speaker 1: of those two picks. That was the first draft, and
Speaker 1: those two players are foundational players for them right now.
Speaker 1: So those are obviously first round examples, there are other examples,
Speaker 1: right of moving down on the second round, moving up
Speaker 1: on the third round, like just ways for you to
Speaker 1: gain more value on drafts weekend is super important, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, and that's the difference between you know, if
Speaker 1: you have, you know, ten draft picks, maybe three of
Speaker 1: them are hits, maybe four of them are are solid players,
Speaker 1: Like there's just a higher chance that you get stronger
Speaker 1: impact players. And this is a team that's going to
Speaker 1: have to make some really really drastic changes from a
Speaker 1: cap standpoint next year, Like you need as many picks
Speaker 1: as possible to potentially gain a strong advantage next year.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have to be with first round picks.
Speaker 1: I mean, the team across town, the Rams, didn't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick last year, and yet they found
Speaker 1: four foundational building blocks in the draft because they had
Speaker 1: so many chances. They had like twelve draft picks. So
Speaker 1: again these are extreme examples, but if you're just more
Speaker 1: flexible on draft weekend, I think you can gain such
Speaker 1: an advantage because you never, like you never know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with these picks. You never know who's
Speaker 1: going to be the next Pukunakua, fifth round receiver who
Speaker 1: leads like all rookies in receiving yards right now as
Speaker 1: a fifth rounder. You know, it's just it's such an
Speaker 1: advantage if you're can be flexible on draft weekend. And
Speaker 1: I think in general, if you are as a general
Speaker 1: manager flexible, I think you give yourself a chance to,
Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of the resources given to you
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just look at the previous draft. I
Speaker 3: know Xander Horvath is not on the team, but you
Speaker 3: have Dean Leonard, Jamari Sawier and John Taylor with the
Speaker 3: three other picks from the sixth and seventh round, a
Speaker 3: few more outbats at the end of day three, and
Speaker 3: you have two core special teamers in there, potential guys
Speaker 3: who could be starters moving forward. And of course Jamori
Speaker 3: is now your starter at right guard, so phenomenal there.
Speaker 3: Of course, like those things, try to find those little
Speaker 3: you knowes later. It doesn't mean you can't give up
Speaker 3: a draft pick ever. You know, hey traded for Kalimback.
Speaker 3: That's a great move. That was a great move. It
Speaker 3: is currently a great move. It's paying off in terms
Speaker 3: of his production. Seems like a home run move, but
Speaker 3: find ways to also move back as well to accumulate
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Have a nice balance between the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that flexibility, that willingness to adapt to change, I
Speaker 1: think can pivot towards a coaching conversation as well. You know,
Speaker 1: I look at coaches around the league, and the majority
Speaker 1: of them have, for the most part, come up against
Speaker 1: a moment of adversity, you know, whether it was Sean
Speaker 1: McVay last year thinking about retirement, whether it was Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan in twenty nineteen after a Super Bowl, like everybody,
Speaker 1: your whole roster is decimated by injuries. Whether it was
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, you know, dealing with all the Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: noise at the end of the Joe Flacco era, I
Speaker 1: should say, and people calling for his job, whether every
Speaker 1: coach that you go through, whether it's you know, Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll at USC versus now, like every coach is going
Speaker 1: to have that moment of adversity that leads to a
Speaker 1: point of reflection, that leads to a moment in the
Speaker 1: off season where you have to really think about what
Speaker 1: went wrong in that specific season, what went wrong in
Speaker 1: X amount of specific seasons, And when you come to
Speaker 1: that point, I think you have to be willing to change.
Speaker 1: And I think that is an aspect that ultimately resulted
Speaker 1: in Brandon stalely losing his job. Is that we all
Speaker 1: looked at the twenty seven zero loss, including Brandon Staley,
Speaker 1: and said that things need to change. He took the
Speaker 1: time in the off season to reach out to some
Speaker 1: of his mentors and to go spend time with Steve Kerr.
Speaker 1: And I know that like people are kind of making
Speaker 1: fun of that from a social media standpoint, but to me,
Speaker 1: that's a smart thing. You go seek out resources and
Speaker 1: advice from people have been through similar things. The issue
Speaker 1: is that Brandon Stay that came back and doubled down
Speaker 1: on things that he really believed were core aspects of
Speaker 1: the team and really doubled down on himself, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to make this about you know,
Speaker 1: Pylon to Brandon Staley, but if he had taken the
Speaker 1: advice of Steve Kerr and said, hey, like, let's change
Speaker 1: some things here about the way we do business. And
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like bringing in Kellen Moore. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about like, you know, let's go get Eric KENDRICKX.
Speaker 1: Like personnel changes are naturally going to happen across your
Speaker 1: tenure as a coach, But like, let's change how we
Speaker 1: do things on a day to day. Let's change things
Speaker 1: how we do on a practice, Let's change how we
Speaker 1: watch film, Let's change things how we listen to players.
Speaker 1: I think that is such an important aspect of coaching,
Speaker 1: as being willing to move off of ideas that are
Speaker 1: not working when those things are presented to you. And
Speaker 1: I think that twenty seven to zero loss last year
Speaker 1: should have resulted in more coaching changes, not jobs, but
Speaker 1: like from a day to day coaching aspect, it should
Speaker 1: have resulted in a change of day to day operations,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it really did that. It led
Speaker 1: to some changes of personnel and scheme and coaching staff,
Speaker 1: but I think when you come up with that moment
Speaker 1: from adversity, you've got to take it head on and
Speaker 1: make some changes as the head coach, not like the
Speaker 1: people around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, will completely agree with that.
Speaker 3: I think the it was a very tough year in
Speaker 3: terms of the on field product for the defense, in
Speaker 3: terms of what you hear from the quotes from some
Speaker 3: of the players publicly in postgame interviews, that sort of
Speaker 3: thing where you can tell there's just a struggle, like
Speaker 3: I'm not getting this, it's not working.
Speaker 2: We need to do something different.
Speaker 3: And you know, then you look at the numbers we've
Speaker 3: discussed Shannon Enterprey in terms of how complex the defenses
Speaker 3: and responsibilities. The complexity didn't change. The rotations were still there,
Speaker 3: Guys were still rotating in the secondary, and the percent
Speaker 3: of perfectly covered plays by the defense was still very,
Speaker 3: very low. I do wonder how much of the previous
Speaker 3: two coaches of the Telesco tenure, so Mike McCoy and
Speaker 3: Anthony Lynn, I do wonder how much of the lack
Speaker 3: of second half of their tenure success was just on
Speaker 3: not being able to take that next step or make
Speaker 3: a certain change because what worked initially right Both of
Speaker 3: them won playoff games in their first two years. McCoy
Speaker 3: in the first year, then in his second year. Whatever
Speaker 3: worked initially worked, but then there was that season of
Speaker 3: adversity in that third year and they never just quite
Speaker 3: were able to find their footing or find something that worked.
Speaker 3: And obviously there's many other reasons. Injuries for example, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to change between quarterbacks with Rivers and Herbert. You know,
Speaker 3: things like that, But just I wonder how much of
Speaker 3: the other coaches not be able to grow or adapt
Speaker 3: to a changing NFL contributed to them not finding success
Speaker 3: in year three and four.
Speaker 1: Final point here, Jordan rodrig who covers the Rams for
Speaker 1: The Athletic, did a wonderful series on the the Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Sean McVay kind of coaching trees. She called
Speaker 1: it The play Callers. If you missed it, I would
Speaker 1: strongly encourage you to go check it out. It's wonderfully
Speaker 1: done and it gives a ton of insight into the
Speaker 1: meta that is, you know the Shanahan McVay coaching tree
Speaker 1: right now, and you know the obviously Zach Taylor and
Speaker 1: Matt mcflore and Mike McDaniel and Bobby Slowch and Demikon
Speaker 1: Ryan's like all these guys, Robert Sala, all these guys
Speaker 1: come from that coaching tree. It's it's the most popular
Speaker 1: coaching tree in the NFL for a reason, I think,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is dived into in that series.
Speaker 1: But one thing that really stuck out to me in
Speaker 1: kind of because Jordan Rodrigy was on The Athletic againd
Speaker 1: this week, and like she brought back up some of
Speaker 1: her points and so just made me think of it.
Speaker 1: But one thing that really stuck out to her and
Speaker 1: to me is that Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, essentially
Speaker 1: every two years will will seek out new ideas from
Speaker 1: a teaching and coaching standpoint, and basically every two years
Speaker 1: they are changing things internally, whether that is scheme, whether
Speaker 1: that is teaching strategies, whether it is coaching staff. Basically,
Speaker 1: every two years they are looking out and seeking out
Speaker 1: the next big thing, the next you know, cutting edge,
Speaker 1: the next advantage that they can gain. Jordan Roddergie pointed
Speaker 1: out that, you know, Sean McVay this passed offseason went
Speaker 1: out and brought in some former Patriots assistants, which was
Speaker 1: like kind of weird, right, Like people are trying to
Speaker 1: pull from the Patriots offense, but like they went and
Speaker 1: got the Patriot's tight end coach to when bought brought
Speaker 1: in an assistance offensive line coach. Because Sean McVay was
Speaker 1: going to revamp his rushing attack and go from very
Speaker 1: outside zone heavy to very gap heavy, and we're seeing
Speaker 1: that the fruits of that with Kyrien Williams being one
Speaker 1: of the top rushers in the league. So I think
Speaker 1: that aspect of innovation and change is necessary for for
Speaker 1: effective head coaches because you can't just keep doing the
Speaker 1: same things over and over again every single year. And
Speaker 1: I think that lack of that adaptability is one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why the Chargers haven't been able to find
Speaker 1: that long term coach, because they just want to stick
Speaker 1: to the thing that they know best, the things that
Speaker 1: they know will work for them, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think that's how the NFL works. I think every two
Speaker 1: years you probably have to be looking for the next
Speaker 1: thing to change as a coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about punch counter punch in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And I think Brandon Stallly what he brought in initially
Speaker 3: was great. It was the innovative thing, it was the
Speaker 3: next thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Chargers organization, I think honestly, just from that year
Speaker 3: and looking at the higher did the right thing because
Speaker 3: they were trying to find the next cutting edge thing.
Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about here, not that every coach
Speaker 3: has to always have the new thing, but you got
Speaker 3: to keep trying to find way to rework yourself. Unfortunate
Speaker 3: that it never really paid off, that it never really
Speaker 3: became something. I even feel like the things that were
Speaker 3: the cutting edge thing, you know, obviously, the going for
Speaker 3: it stuff, that kind of personality, those things kind of
Speaker 3: went away once that edge was lost and there was
Speaker 3: no other thing to replace it, or no other different
Speaker 3: kind of edge that they found. I think that's that's
Speaker 3: partially why the team suffered a bit the last couple
Speaker 3: of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally fair. All right, Tyler, what's
Speaker 1: your other lesson here that you want to touch on?
Speaker 3: Player attention needs to be better, and I know it's
Speaker 3: not that easy. Of course, with new head coaches means
Speaker 3: you get new guys, you know, you bring in your
Speaker 3: guys or guys that fit your scheme, and I totally
Speaker 3: understand that's when you've had different coaches over the last
Speaker 3: you know, decade plus. Of course you're going to get
Speaker 3: some roster turnover. But the Chargers have only brought back
Speaker 3: of their forty six draft picks that were going to
Speaker 3: hit free agency, They've only brought back seven, And it
Speaker 3: really wasn't all that much. It was basically only first
Speaker 3: rounders and Keenan Allen until this past year with Trey
Speaker 3: Pipkins and Easton Stick like that was a big change.
Speaker 3: The Chargers definitely had not done that, and now you're
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty class up and odds are the only
Speaker 3: person returning is Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: I could understand why. There's plenty of different.
Speaker 3: Reasons why, but overall, I just think the turnover is
Speaker 3: just too much sometimes and maybe you're looking for the
Speaker 3: next best thing. You know, grass is always greener sort
Speaker 3: of thing, but sometimes that continuity is can be very beneficial.
Speaker 3: And heck, you could argue even with a coordinator like
Speaker 3: Shane Steichen, perhaps continuity would have been the best thing
Speaker 3: rather than seeking what was the next best thing. I
Speaker 3: understand why they moved on, but maybe perhaps looking back
Speaker 3: in hindsight, continuity and retention could also apply to coordinators.
Speaker 3: I think that's especially relevant given what's going on right
Speaker 3: now with the current Chargers staff. I just think the
Speaker 3: charges of you know, they never found like a tight
Speaker 3: end after Hunter Henry left.
Speaker 2: They never found.
Speaker 3: Another slot to really stabilize the position after Desmond King
Speaker 3: was traded.
Speaker 2: There's many reasons for that.
Speaker 3: The linebacker Corps maybe hasn't quite been the exact one
Speaker 3: two punch that they wanted because of all the turnover there.
Speaker 3: You know, they let Justin Jackson walk. They still haven't
Speaker 3: quite found that same RB two to match his production.
Speaker 2: That sort of thing.
Speaker 3: They found kickers, They found a kicker finally, that's the
Speaker 3: one thing that they have not retained whatsoever. They finally
Speaker 3: found Yeah, amazing stuff. Two kickers not bad. So I
Speaker 3: just think that retention needs to be better, not that
Speaker 3: it's a requirement for all players. You don't have to
Speaker 3: retain players for the sake of retaining them, But I
Speaker 3: think that year to year, if you're constantly trying to
Speaker 3: change the pieces over and over again.
Speaker 2: You know, we hear so.
Speaker 3: Much, oh well, it's just year one of him with
Speaker 3: this team in this system. In year two it's going
Speaker 3: to be better. But then if they're gone in year
Speaker 3: two or they don't get a chance to really settle
Speaker 3: in that system, then we're always going to be in
Speaker 3: the cycle of, oh, it's just his first year in
Speaker 3: the system.
Speaker 1: Oops.
Speaker 2: System didn't work. Defense didn't look good, offense didn't look good.
Speaker 3: So I think the retention has to be improved at
Speaker 3: least a little bit moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there, like you mentioned, there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: natural change that the team can't help like that you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to make some very hard, difficult decisions this
Speaker 1: year that it's gonna change lead to big changes from
Speaker 1: the roster perspective, But that doesn't have to mean you
Speaker 1: change over the bones of the roster. Also, like you
Speaker 1: can you can have the change you can bring in,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that this specific coach wants in
Speaker 1: the new year. But maybe you keep a guy like
Speaker 1: a lowhi Ghiman because he's such an important blue guy
Speaker 1: in the secondary. Maybe you keep a guy like Kaisier
Speaker 1: White because he's such an important glue guy in the
Speaker 1: linebacker room, et cetera. You know, I Will Clapp would
Speaker 1: have been another example of that, but I don't like
Speaker 1: his injuries. Just I don't know, we don't know specifics
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But he's a guy too that
Speaker 1: I think would have been great for like continuity going
Speaker 1: forward with the new regime. And obviously he's beloved by
Speaker 1: the team. So I think I've always understood why, like
Speaker 1: you know, coaches come in, you want to get your
Speaker 1: own guys, Like it makes sense, like especially when you're
Speaker 1: going through like such a drastic scheme change. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to get rid of everybody, you
Speaker 1: can keep some of the other core pieces, and I
Speaker 1: think it just helps with roster continuity. Like you mentioned there.
Speaker 1: My last one that I wanted to touch on is kind
Speaker 1: of a lesson, but also like a I guess applies
Speaker 1: to like the current head coach head coaching search campaign,
Speaker 1: is that you don't have to have experience being a
Speaker 1: head coach to be a successful head coach. But I
Speaker 1: think you have to have experience around you. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is if you hire a first
Speaker 1: time coordinator to be your new head coach, I think
Speaker 1: it can be very successful. Obviously we've seen that around
Speaker 1: the league. But I think that first time head coach
Speaker 1: needs experience around him. And I'm not just talking about
Speaker 1: like being in the league for a long time. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about like former head coaching experience. So there are
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches this year that might be on
Speaker 1: the move. There are a lot of former head coaches
Speaker 1: that are current position coaches. Things like that, and hiring
Speaker 1: those guys to be your coordinators, to be your wide
Speaker 1: receivers coach, to be your passing game coordinator, your run
Speaker 1: game coordinator, whatever the case may be. I think having
Speaker 1: those coaches who have that head coach experience on your
Speaker 1: staff in some capacity just makes things so much easier
Speaker 1: for you, you know, for whatever, you know, whatever you
Speaker 1: think of him as the head coach, right, I think
Speaker 1: one of the smartest things Anthony Linn did was have
Speaker 1: enough offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator who both had that
Speaker 1: previous head coaching experience. And obviously, guess by these tenure
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and ken Was tenure in Arizona weren't like
Speaker 1: super successful, but like they have that experience, they know
Speaker 1: what that process is like. And I think it just
Speaker 1: helps you as a young head coach to be able
Speaker 1: to lean on those guys, because it's one thing to
Speaker 1: lean on somebody who's been in the league for a
Speaker 1: long time. It's another thing to lean on somebody who's
Speaker 1: gone through that. And even like negative experiences like Gus
Speaker 1: Bradley's and Jacksonville can be a big help for you
Speaker 1: as a first time head coach. So I think that
Speaker 1: applies to, you know, the current head coaching search. I
Speaker 1: think it applies to fans because I don't think you
Speaker 1: necessarily have to have that experience to be a viable
Speaker 1: head coaching hire. I think you can go out and
Speaker 1: seek out that experience, and I think that applies to
Speaker 1: the adaptability, the flexibility, the taking on change aspect that
Speaker 1: we're we're all talking about today. So if the Chargers
Speaker 1: go out and hire a first time head coach, that
Speaker 1: first time head coach, I think should go hire some experience,
Speaker 1: like go buy the areas that you might lack as
Speaker 1: an individual head coaching candidate by going out and getting
Speaker 1: a quality staff around him. I think the hiring of
Speaker 1: a staff is the most underrated aspect of the head
Speaker 1: coaching position, and I think having that experience around you
Speaker 1: just think makes things so much easier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 3: You know, greatly are the ones who find their weaknesses
Speaker 3: and just surround them with people who are really really
Speaker 3: good in those areas. And I think, you know, part
Speaker 3: of it's retaining some of the staff. But like Shane
Speaker 3: Stikeen for the Colts, for example, dangerous for me to
Speaker 3: just look at one example and find exactly what I
Speaker 3: was looking for. But Shane stiken in year one very successful,
Speaker 3: could be Coach of the year. I thought their starting
Speaker 3: quarterback even playing for them, had Gus Bradley, like you mentioned,
Speaker 3: I had thirty four years of experience, Jim Bob Couter
Speaker 3: sixteen years, Brian Mason fourteen years.
Speaker 2: I was because I'm a nerd.
Speaker 3: I looked through their coaching staff, and the Colts staff
Speaker 3: has twenty one players who by the end of this
Speaker 3: year will have a decade of experience in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And I'm not surprised then, given one who Shane Sdyken
Speaker 3: is and to the veterans around him, that the Colts
Speaker 3: have been able to just I mean, they lost their
Speaker 3: first round pick, their quarterback, their future, and they're going
Speaker 3: to make the postseason. And I don't think it's any
Speaker 3: coincidence that this staff is such a veteran staff. Guys
Speaker 3: have obviously been in the league for a while, but
Speaker 3: also someone like Gus Bradley who's been a head coach,
Speaker 3: He's been there, done that. No surprise that the Colts
Speaker 3: have remained very stable. So I, like you, I'm looking
Speaker 3: for something like that moving forward as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the Colts right, like the Rams
Speaker 1: hired Sean McVay and he went out and got Wade
Speaker 1: Phillips to be his defensive coordinator. True Mike Tomlin and
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh he had Todd Haley as his offensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: a while. Again, these things don't always hit right, like
Speaker 1: Todd Haley and Fitsburgh was not a super resounding success,
Speaker 1: But I think it just in general, it makes things
Speaker 1: easier when you have those guys to bounce ideas off of. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there are situations that your rolodex is a little limited,
Speaker 1: but I think in general it's a sound idea to
Speaker 1: go out and hire some experience. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of coaches that change every single year. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of guys in this current cycle who
Speaker 1: are up for coordinator positions who have previously head coaching
Speaker 1: positions or head coaching experience offensive coordinating experience. I think
Speaker 1: it just makes things that much easier. All right, Tyler,
Speaker 1: any other final thoughts before we head out for it today.
Speaker 2: That's it, man.
Speaker 3: We'll talk i'm sure more over the next coming weeks
Speaker 3: and months, etc. About the Charges moving forward. And for now, Chargers.
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