Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone around the globe? And
Speaker 1: you are listening to Stradia Lab.
Speaker 2: And we are coming at you live from that's right,
Speaker 2: the city of Angels, Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 2: And also, this is the last stop of our tour,
Speaker 2: so we're no longer going to promote it because guess what,
Speaker 2: if you're listening to this at this point, you fully
Speaker 2: missed it. So better luck next time, sweetheart, because it's
Speaker 2: going to be a few months until we're ready to
Speaker 2: go on to it.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to go ahead and say maybe even
Speaker 1: up to a year or two, because.
Speaker 2: No, you're addicted to tour. I don't think. I think
Speaker 2: you're not letting on how much you actually surprise yourself
Speaker 2: with how much you enjoyed traveling around the globe.
Speaker 1: Hm, how much did I enjoy travel around the globe?
Speaker 1: I think, on the one hand, I enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed It's okay, we have to talk about the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the number one thing is that we decided.
Speaker 2: First of all, we went to Seattle and you said,
Speaker 2: you know, you can't see if for not watching video,
Speaker 2: But you said, my world was this, and you made
Speaker 2: a small gesture. And now my world is this, and
Speaker 2: you made a large gesture.
Speaker 1: Because I went to Seattle. My world got so much
Speaker 1: larger in a way that is bad, because you think, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know the world, and this is you can I
Speaker 1: can live in New York or maybe upstate New York.
Speaker 1: And now I'm seeing Seattle and I'm saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they have a whole different way of life that's potentially
Speaker 1: better than ours.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing with the Pacific Northwest is that they
Speaker 2: don't think of nature as this sick, freaky thing that
Speaker 2: you put somewhere and then go to on the weekends.
Speaker 2: It's even part of their daily life.
Speaker 1: They don't have to choose. They've taken the city, country
Speaker 1: binary and smashed it.
Speaker 2: It really is incredible and like not to it is
Speaker 2: a GBTQ plus that way where in one walk, I
Speaker 2: mean someone literally told us sometimes in Seattle, a walk
Speaker 2: will turn into a hike. He didn't say in Washington State,
Speaker 2: he said in Seattle, the city.
Speaker 1: He twisted his leg on a hike that started out
Speaker 1: as a walk.
Speaker 2: He was this is not some joke. He was on
Speaker 2: he was using crutches and make it qual what happened?
Speaker 2: He was like, why was on a walk that turned
Speaker 2: into a hike. So it's also dangerous.
Speaker 1: Also, you have to the way that people in Seattle specifically,
Speaker 1: I can never tell if it's exciting or not to
Speaker 1: sort of recap cities vibes, but the way the people
Speaker 1: in Seattle will literally be like, yeah, Alison Chains used
Speaker 1: to come here, and it's like, oh, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: much to me, but like the fact that you're saying
Speaker 1: that does speak to me.
Speaker 2: Well, we realized that the Pacific Northwest. You were on
Speaker 2: a mission basically to find out where indie rock is
Speaker 2: still thriving. And we don't mean bands, we mean the
Speaker 2: spirit of it. I mean the spirit of indie rock.
Speaker 2: Sweetheart and walking and hiking count as the spirit of
Speaker 2: indie rock, as do as does. Sort of like a
Speaker 2: logo of a coffee shop that has a lightning bolt
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: I mean, even the way that we were like sitting
Speaker 1: in a coffee shop and people just seemed like kind
Speaker 1: of happy. Yeah, they seem like calm and not in
Speaker 1: a way that's like I have ten minutes before my
Speaker 1: next thing. They were like unemployed, They were happily unemployed.
Speaker 1: Unemployed and loving it.
Speaker 2: Also the way people it's like these things that you
Speaker 2: think are dead, like local newspapers all weeklies. Everyone in
Speaker 2: Seattle is like, oh, I read that in the Alt
Speaker 2: I read in the Alt Weekly that a local band
Speaker 2: is going to the local festival. And you're like, I
Speaker 2: don't know any of those things still existed.
Speaker 1: Yah, I'm like, who allowed you to have your own culture?
Speaker 2: We realize that like in New York, everyone is everyone
Speaker 2: is du a liipa. There's no middle class of performer.
Speaker 1: Well, you're either do a lipa or your bloomberg or
Speaker 1: you're and so like even if you're if you're an artist,
Speaker 1: you have to be do a lipa. And if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do business, you better do big business. Three D.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about now being in LA after
Speaker 2: this whole thing is we've been in nine different cities
Speaker 2: and now we're in LA and it actually has almost
Speaker 2: like taken La down a notch for me where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're just one of the cities. You're not Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: where you know Hollywood is. You're not Los Angeles where
Speaker 2: you could make or break my career in Hollywood. You're
Speaker 2: just another city. That I'm on tour at See.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought this up because I feel
Speaker 1: like in all those other cities, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so far abroad, like no one here gets me, Like
Speaker 1: my local references don't make any sense. And then now
Speaker 1: that I'm here, normally I come to LA and I
Speaker 1: feel that way. But now that I've been in all
Speaker 1: these other cities, I came to LA and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm home, Like everyone here gets me.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, huh, I do not feel that way.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, to be fair, the one thing I've
Speaker 2: done today has gone to Irwan as a bit to
Speaker 2: get a thirteen dollars smoothie.
Speaker 1: I went yesterday. I was to get other days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like, you know, coming from the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 2: you feel the culture even more than coming from New York.
Speaker 2: You're like, you guys need to go on a hike
Speaker 2: and not an LA hike. You need to go into
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 1: That's true actually, But.
Speaker 2: At the same time, I love all our Los Angeles
Speaker 2: friends and I think they're all doing so well and
Speaker 2: it has not changed their personality they moved here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the personalities are one intact. No one is damaged,
Speaker 1: no one is flawed, no one recognizes.
Speaker 2: No one needs to move back to New York for
Speaker 2: their mental health.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Power corrupts absolutely except here.
Speaker 2: Well, also, do you feel like we in no way
Speaker 2: are going to get into politics of any kind? And
Speaker 2: in fact both of us have never read a newspaper
Speaker 2: in our lives. But just for the shake of what
Speaker 2: I'm about to say in terms of the strikes, there's
Speaker 2: a way in which I entered in La La and
Speaker 2: immediately was like, this is where the enemy is. I'm
Speaker 2: like looking at all the buildings and I'm like fuck
Speaker 2: you wow, because I'm like, this is where the studios are.
Speaker 1: Do you not feel that at all?
Speaker 2: I'm so aware of when I'm walking around, I'm like
Speaker 2: paramount and me Ah, I'm like.
Speaker 1: Fuck all of you.
Speaker 2: You're the reason I'm a touring podcaster.
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't feel that at all. What did I feel?
Speaker 1: I was just sort of like you were literally just
Speaker 1: like happy to be here. I was literally happy to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been more like everyone's so chill, but that's
Speaker 1: neither here.
Speaker 2: It is so vital that we bring in our guests.
Speaker 1: I was going to say the same thing. It's so
Speaker 1: important with everything going on with the strikes to bring
Speaker 1: in our guest.
Speaker 2: Our guest is in a plethora of projects that you
Speaker 2: cannot talk about and also has a podcast that you
Speaker 2: can talk about. So please welcome Vanessa Bayer.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me here.
Speaker 2: Vanessa. We need all your thoughts on everything that has
Speaker 2: been said and take well.
Speaker 4: I want to back up to before this podcast even started,
Speaker 4: because we sat down.
Speaker 3: Did you say nary nary a few minutes ago?
Speaker 4: No, you said something else that really made me laugh
Speaker 4: a term.
Speaker 3: But we sat down.
Speaker 2: He was really into speaking old timey love.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: You said something that surprised me, but I thought it
Speaker 3: felt so natural.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, So I wish I could think.
Speaker 3: Of it anyways. It was a short word, but okay,
Speaker 3: does that help.
Speaker 4: I want to say that before we started this podcast,
Speaker 4: we were sitting down and I did something so la
Speaker 4: and I have felt bad about it for your entire interro,
Speaker 4: which is I said, have we ever met before? Which
Speaker 4: is so rude because it's me assuming that like I
Speaker 4: don't remember meeting totally, but you would remember it. And
Speaker 4: it's so like get a grip Vanessa, and I want
Speaker 4: to apologize for doing that.
Speaker 3: And I really have.
Speaker 4: Been thinking about it, and I don't think any of
Speaker 4: us have ever met before, even though that's surprising because
Speaker 4: I'm sure we have a million friends in common and
Speaker 4: we work in the same space.
Speaker 2: And can I actually come clean about something? Yes, I replied,
Speaker 2: I think we may have met at a mutual friend
Speaker 2: of ours birthday party. I actually don't think we.
Speaker 3: Met there, No, because I don't think that I really
Speaker 3: knew that mutual friend until basically I lived here.
Speaker 2: I was literally like, just say and it just like
Speaker 2: I think of a space we could have potentially met.
Speaker 4: That's so funny because as soon as I asked you that,
Speaker 4: I went, what don't ask him that?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't take it as you thinking you're hot shit?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I did, but oh my god, say more?
Speaker 2: That is? That is?
Speaker 3: That is the way to be, like, have we met?
Speaker 2: I actually felt you were being humble. You were.
Speaker 4: It was actually literally because I was like, we must
Speaker 4: have so many friends in common.
Speaker 3: How have we never met before?
Speaker 2: That's how I took it.
Speaker 4: But then as I thought about it, like as soon
Speaker 4: as I said it, I thought, this sounds like this,
Speaker 4: This little bitch.
Speaker 3: Came in here all high and mighty, going have we met?
Speaker 3: And that's the worst. And also if we had met before,
Speaker 3: it would have been so disgusting.
Speaker 2: Right to write yeah, I guess there is really no
Speaker 2: good way. There's no good outcome of you. If you
Speaker 2: or anyone saying have we met before?
Speaker 4: I could have just gone it's it's great to see
Speaker 4: great to see you.
Speaker 2: That's well, you know, how's your mom?
Speaker 1: I also want to say I personally loved that question
Speaker 1: because I George wanted to answer so bad and I
Speaker 1: could see that little boy squirm and he was like,
Speaker 1: I want to say yes, and he was like how
Speaker 1: can I? And I was like, oh, he wants to
Speaker 1: say yes so bad.
Speaker 2: The worst the worst thing I could say is no,
Speaker 2: because then there's no follow up. It's like how he met?
Speaker 2: Nor because what am I going to do?
Speaker 4: Say?
Speaker 2: Like no? But but do you know right right? It's
Speaker 2: like yeah, you know people, it's just.
Speaker 4: That I you know, I now I'm playing ketchup of
Speaker 4: like trying to fit in with like you guys have
Speaker 4: a cool cadence and you're, you know, in a cool
Speaker 4: world and I'm here, I am going have we met.
Speaker 2: And I go the cool world being the studio where
Speaker 2: you also record your own.
Speaker 1: The hyper elite world of where you also go.
Speaker 4: Honestly, we mostly record on Zoom. How did we get weird?
Speaker 4: With me and my brother Jonah Beyer.
Speaker 2: Away? Also speaking of things I'm ashamed of? It was
Speaker 2: too late for I found myself being like, welcome Vanessa
Speaker 2: Behar and then I remembered I didn't say the name
Speaker 2: of the podcast. Oh, I fucked up the one thing
Speaker 2: I fucked up, the one thing I know. I fucked up,
Speaker 2: the one thing I fucked up, the one thing that
Speaker 2: this person I've never met before in my life told
Speaker 2: me to say about her.
Speaker 4: No, I said, the one thing that I said I
Speaker 4: can promote that I love to promote is my podcast
Speaker 4: that I do with my brother Jonah Beyer.
Speaker 3: How did we get get weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you were writing.
Speaker 2: Sat down, That's how you sat down. You made it.
Speaker 4: Didn't have a whole episode that we did with Bob
Speaker 4: the Drag Queen, not to name drop, where we talked
Speaker 4: about when people come up to you.
Speaker 3: And I think this has made me hyper aware of it.
Speaker 3: When people come up to you and go, do you
Speaker 3: know who I am, or do you remember who I am?
Speaker 3: And it's like yeah, and it's or go like if
Speaker 3: you go nice to meet you and they're like, we've met,
Speaker 3: and people can be confrontational, which you were not.
Speaker 2: This is a very good Okay. If someone let's say
Speaker 2: I had met you three times, yeah, but then I
Speaker 2: went nice to meet you, how would you have responded?
Speaker 4: I would have gone It's hard because I don't want
Speaker 4: to make the other person feel bad, of course, but.
Speaker 2: Then at some point where like am I that forgettable.
Speaker 3: That we it is a horrible feeling.
Speaker 1: Yes, well this I think we should all just be
Speaker 1: able to sort of download everything, like it's sort of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't met, but like here's all the context need
Speaker 1: to know, Like this is where we would have crossed paths,
Speaker 1: and even if we didn't, that's all pretty much it.
Speaker 4: When it has happened to me and the person we've
Speaker 4: met once and it's been like a it's been so insignificant,
Speaker 4: I'm like I don't of course they would.
Speaker 3: I'm never going to be like.
Speaker 2: No, Vanessa.
Speaker 4: But I do think it is kind of an l
Speaker 4: a thing it's been done to me where people pretend
Speaker 4: that they've never met you before, and you're like, you
Speaker 4: you know that we've met.
Speaker 3: You're just doing this to be so like I what
Speaker 3: I wanted to not think like I was doing, even
Speaker 3: though we both knew that we hadn't met, was being like.
Speaker 4: And you know, just being that person of like, it's
Speaker 4: so nice to meet you. I've just never you've never
Speaker 4: crossed my mind.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, well that's the other thing. Okay, I actually
Speaker 2: love this rabbit hole that we're in. Yeah, no, no, this
Speaker 2: is good because this is the other thing. Is how
Speaker 2: do you react to someone you are aware of but
Speaker 2: have not met, Like you almost want to say something
Speaker 2: that's like, well I know who you are, yes, but
Speaker 2: we've never met. But that means nothing to them. And
Speaker 2: this is not even about this is not about fame.
Speaker 2: This can be like a friend of a friend that
Speaker 2: you know, like good good friends. For example, some random
Speaker 2: gig go on Instagram exactly that like you know is
Speaker 2: good friends with your friend you know Sam, and you
Speaker 2: know that they hang out together without you, you've never
Speaker 2: crossed the pass. And then you meet them and you
Speaker 2: want to be like, oh, of course I've heard about you,
Speaker 2: But that's insane to say to something I kind.
Speaker 3: Of split the diff and I go yeah, I go, yeah,
Speaker 3: so nice to meet you, or something like that, like
Speaker 3: implying I did I have that gave me such a
Speaker 3: visceral memory, and I'm I can't believe I'm blanking on
Speaker 3: her name.
Speaker 4: But this very famous actress who's very talented, you're so
Speaker 4: you're closer she the credit that Evan Rachel would. Yes,
Speaker 4: I met her at like a karaoke after SNL one okay,
Speaker 4: and she like, I think she said her name and
Speaker 4: I was like, what, like I because I truly couldn't
Speaker 4: hear it, but I knew what she said because I
Speaker 4: knew who she was. And then I think later in
Speaker 4: the night, I like apologized to her and I was like,
Speaker 4: just I knew, like I'm so I couldn't hear you,
Speaker 4: but I knew your name is like I like came
Speaker 4: clean about it because I was like, I was like,
Speaker 4: don't act like you she had to repeat her name,
Speaker 4: like you know who she is.
Speaker 3: I don't know, is that helpful.
Speaker 1: I feel like my approach is always to sort of
Speaker 1: like be the one willing to look more shameful. Oh
Speaker 1: of course, like you just have to sort of be
Speaker 1: like like I do the embarrassing thing of literally saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know we've never met, like in the like friends
Speaker 1: of a friend example, like where it's like, hey, I'm Sam,
Speaker 1: we've never met in person, but like your friends with
Speaker 1: la bah lah and like I'm stupid. And usually if
Speaker 1: you can take that, that's right, if you can put
Speaker 1: your tongue out enough, then they'll be like, okay, sure.
Speaker 4: When I met you just now, I thought he and
Speaker 4: I are the same, like we're made from the same stuff,
Speaker 4: kind of brad.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And I thought, I do.
Speaker 4: We probably handle stuff like that similarly where I do
Speaker 4: the same thing I think, and I think we're both
Speaker 4: very attractive people.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, of course we have a look where
Speaker 3: we can pull that off of being like I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think you would have a harder time doing that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I'm of course such an urbane intellectual that people would
Speaker 2: think I was mocking them.
Speaker 1: When we met just now and we both did handshake,
Speaker 1: hug hands like not sure what to do, and then
Speaker 1: I said, sorry, I don't know, but I think it's.
Speaker 3: Like our superpower is that, like we look so unassuming
Speaker 3: that people will like be like, oh, that's okay, Like
Speaker 3: they don't know anything, like wow, they're just.
Speaker 2: They're just like, so, don't worry about her. She's a
Speaker 2: little stupid.
Speaker 1: Oh she looks a little stupid, but she's hot.
Speaker 3: Let's just unassuming, little stupid walking around and they can
Speaker 3: do whatever they want.
Speaker 1: That's what I think you both know.
Speaker 2: But you both weapons.
Speaker 1: We weaponize it.
Speaker 2: We weaponize It's not like, of course you're not unassuming.
Speaker 2: You're actually a cutthroating business wanning coming a very successful podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, uh with love sponsors to know that.
Speaker 4: But the point is we don't have any but yeah, no,
Speaker 4: we can pull it off probably better than like you
Speaker 4: probably have a harder time.
Speaker 2: I get no, you're right, I get caught off guard.
Speaker 2: And I also, I mean, we've talked about this before
Speaker 2: where it's easy for me if I'm not really focused
Speaker 2: on how I'm coming across, to come across as condescending,
Speaker 2: as rude, as like often my face just like sort
Speaker 2: of works without me realizing it. And I truly am
Speaker 2: like rolling my eyes and someone without really I used
Speaker 2: to do that a lot when I was younger, and
Speaker 2: actually I really appreciate it. Someone once was like, you
Speaker 2: can't roll your eyes at people, Like, if someone says
Speaker 2: something you think is dumb, you can't just openly roll
Speaker 2: your eyes. And I was like, huh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, we could roll our eyes at anyone and
Speaker 4: they would think it was cute.
Speaker 1: The way that I've like literally tried to be serious
Speaker 1: and tried to be like, oh, I'm going to make
Speaker 1: a point to be rude to this person, and I
Speaker 1: do it like smiling. I can't drop the smile, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's actually ruining my life because I would
Speaker 1: love to be like pointed.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Sam does this thing often where Hill in
Speaker 2: a funny voice be like, so let's everyone have to
Speaker 2: and that's sort of like a cute See. I feel
Speaker 2: like if I did that, it would truly sound like
Speaker 2: I was mocking the people.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's true. Now I've been questioning for you, Okay,
Speaker 3: do people ever.
Speaker 4: Think when you're just walking around somewhere? Do people ever
Speaker 4: think that you're lost?
Speaker 2: I love that you're taking this so far. You're like,
Speaker 2: are you okay? Nose. That happens to me all the time.
Speaker 3: People are like do you need help?
Speaker 1: People ask me if I need help? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you ever get asked to be your lost? Probably not?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, it doesn't help. Literally today I was walking
Speaker 1: around Los Angeles, California, and I could not stop stumbling
Speaker 1: over little sidewalk edges, and I feel like people are
Speaker 1: truly like, is he okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you have It's like you have restling lost face.
Speaker 3: We look lost or happy, whereas like you look bitchy
Speaker 3: or like I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no idea, Yeah, no, it's true. What do I
Speaker 2: do about that? Also, ultimately, here's a question, what vibe
Speaker 2: of those two is more like helps you more in
Speaker 2: your life? Because it does seem like you guys get
Speaker 2: a lot of perks that I don't.
Speaker 1: Sure people are desperate to help us out.
Speaker 4: Yes, I wonder if you Well, I'm not answering your question.
Speaker 4: You mean between being lost or happy.
Speaker 2: Between being So you guys are default either lost or happy.
Speaker 2: I am default either bitchy, condescending, or rude. That's what
Speaker 2: people see you when they when they see each of us.
Speaker 2: So which one I guess helps you more in your
Speaker 2: day to day life? Like people thinking like, oh, you're intimidating.
Speaker 2: I don't think, well, you know, maybe, but people think
Speaker 2: people are maybe less likely to come up to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if what you're asking is, are our
Speaker 1: lives easier one hundred percent?
Speaker 2: Yet you think so?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: But then people, maybe you.
Speaker 1: Are getting stronger because you are learning to fend for yourself,
Speaker 1: you are learning to communicate, yes, extra because you don't
Speaker 1: want to come with people.
Speaker 2: If people think you're lost or think you are I
Speaker 2: don't know, less intelligent than you are or something, then
Speaker 2: does that then do they talk to you in like
Speaker 2: a do they not take you seriously enough? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, that's I think that's why comedy was the calling
Speaker 1: to be honest, because it was like, well, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna take me seriously someone as we'll lean into it.
Speaker 1: I've actually believed this before because like in college, I
Speaker 1: would try to write like serious, like serious things, like
Speaker 1: I remember writing a poem about like a guy in
Speaker 1: my hometown that totally totally and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is so fucking real. And then I read it and
Speaker 1: they were like that was really funny, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that was my fucking heart. Yeah, And then so then
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well I guess that's just what
Speaker 1: I'll sort of try to do forever.
Speaker 3: Then I have a super well, I have a trick,
Speaker 3: I guess, which is that when I was fifteen, I
Speaker 3: had leukemia and so for a long time and people
Speaker 3: wouldn't take me seriously. I'd be like, like when I
Speaker 3: had leukemia at fifteen, and then people would like shut
Speaker 3: the fuck up, like I was on top again. But
Speaker 3: in general, it seems like you guys are.
Speaker 2: Serious thing we should lie about.
Speaker 3: Well, I really did. I really did show.
Speaker 4: But I think like in general, you're right, like people
Speaker 4: people wouldn't take a like so you'd have to have
Speaker 4: some kind of like big tragedy that you could reference.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, being gay, yeah, right, of course, one
Speaker 2: of the worst things your sort of story about having
Speaker 2: a life threatening illness is being gay. I mean, there
Speaker 2: were two.
Speaker 1: People that I was close to in my life that
Speaker 1: when I came out of the closet, they were like
Speaker 1: ha ha, like.
Speaker 2: Okay, so interesting. See. I often have the opposite problem.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I'm about to say is going to
Speaker 2: make it sound like maybe I'm not a very good comedian,
Speaker 2: But I the opposite problem where sometimes I'm being very
Speaker 2: clearly sarcastic and people think I'm serious. It's like they
Speaker 2: don't accept that I'm joking. I'm like, I am a
Speaker 2: gesture too, just because I look like this.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of how you could weaponize your
Speaker 4: characteristics in the opposite.
Speaker 2: Way of I think I've weaponized them. I think sometimes
Speaker 2: people will think I think sometimes people will think I'm
Speaker 2: smarter than actually And so.
Speaker 1: You should see this guy on the sort of a
Speaker 1: business theme.
Speaker 3: So interesting you see.
Speaker 1: This guy in academia, even the way that he can
Speaker 1: sort of weaponize.
Speaker 2: The I can I can coach.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I were on a call, this is many years ago,
Speaker 2: on a call where someone was asking us to do
Speaker 2: something for truly like twenty dollars, and I was and
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, it's my time to shine. And
Speaker 2: I was like, never in my life have been have
Speaker 2: I been treated this way? And then she, the person
Speaker 2: we were on the phone with, said the word exposure.
Speaker 2: She was like, well, it would be a good exposure.
Speaker 2: I was like, exposure. Are you serious in this in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, You're talking about exposure like I And I
Speaker 2: was truly and and sure enough, yeah, I guess we
Speaker 2: never did that or got paid anything.
Speaker 1: So it was actually it worked out perfectly.
Speaker 2: It worked out perfectly. I do do you sometimes wonder
Speaker 2: if because of that phone call we are blacklisted's somewhere.
Speaker 1: No, because that woman had no power anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, that show never came out, so it was and
Speaker 2: l that woman was Lorde Michaels in a wig, just kidding.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think we both are able to let.
Speaker 3: You're able to weaponize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love when Georgia gets that way. I
Speaker 1: literally just like I basically put the phone on speaker
Speaker 1: and I start like doing the dishes. I'm like, I'm out, like,
Speaker 1: have fun out there, buddy, I'm going to hide.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 4: It's like, what a what a powerful duo you are
Speaker 4: that you have like different you know, one plays this role,
Speaker 4: the other plays this role.
Speaker 3: In between the two of you here we are.
Speaker 2: Well, I do think what you're saying is so we've
Speaker 2: noticed this a lot as we've been traveling together, where
Speaker 2: sometimes we are complimentary in a way where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can do anything. It's like someone says something and
Speaker 2: we're both there and we both immediately know which one
Speaker 2: should be the one to respond to that specific thing.
Speaker 4: And also probably people are drawn to one of you
Speaker 4: because they see themselves or they see the opposite of
Speaker 4: themselves in one of you, and they and they and
Speaker 4: I'm not picking right now, I'm.
Speaker 2: Waiting to decide, but we know you're a Sam.
Speaker 3: But like they like, I'm sure, like, yeah, all you
Speaker 3: need is it's it's like you're covering so much ground
Speaker 3: between the two of you that like somebody, anyone is
Speaker 3: going to find like something.
Speaker 2: Well, we represent the melting pot of America. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: In this nation. You're either a Sam or you're George,
Speaker 1: and that's it. I have to ask, Now, does your
Speaker 1: brother do you guys have Is he your brother or
Speaker 1: podcast co host? First?
Speaker 2: Let's start there.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's really hard because we have dedicated a live
Speaker 4: star podcast. But I guess I would say he's my
Speaker 4: brother first, but then really close after that he is
Speaker 4: my podcast co host.
Speaker 1: Well, I think once he's podcast co host first, those
Speaker 1: sponsorships will just start pouring.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: I want to say again, we're happy to sponsor any
Speaker 4: brand that's interested.
Speaker 2: I have to say, I am so jealous of you
Speaker 2: that you get to do a podcast with. To be clear,
Speaker 2: I am podcast wise, there's no one else relative podcast wise,
Speaker 2: there's no one else I'd rather do a podcast with,
Speaker 2: but the idea of working with I'm very close with
Speaker 2: my sisters, but they just like are obsessed with having
Speaker 2: different careers than me and refuse to give them up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I've like my biggest like when Amy Schumer sister
Speaker 2: started being her Kim, thank you, and that's important actually
Speaker 2: that we make space for Kim. And I'm sorry, of course,
Speaker 2: have I.
Speaker 1: Met Kim.
Speaker 2: And Kim's like I think maybe we met, but truly
Speaker 2: I was like, God, I would love like the fact
Speaker 2: that a that they get to be to It's so nice.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why can't my sister quit medical school
Speaker 2: so you can work for me? I know? Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well it's also interesting because my brother is was a
Speaker 4: music journalist. He interviewed all these bands for years and
Speaker 4: now he's become a mental health counselor. So he's so
Speaker 4: good at interviewing and talking to people in like a
Speaker 4: thoughtful way, whereas I'm just like, hey, what aren't we
Speaker 4: talking about?
Speaker 3: Let's talk about me, you know, And so it's a
Speaker 3: good mix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I was going to ask, is what
Speaker 1: the what the binary was in your Yeah, dynamic.
Speaker 2: Well, count your blessings. You people would kill it. I
Speaker 2: have what you have? Should we do our first segment?
Speaker 1: I think we should, all right, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: walk over to my phone.
Speaker 2: Of course, So Vanessa, our first segment, this is, of course,
Speaker 2: as everyone knows, a podcast about straight culture. Our first
Speaker 2: segment is called straight Shooters. And in this segment, we
Speaker 2: test your familiarity with in complicity and straight culture by
Speaker 2: asking you a series of rapid fire questions where it's
Speaker 2: this thing or the other thing, okay. And the one
Speaker 2: rule is you can't ask any follow up questions about
Speaker 2: how the game works. If you're confused, sit with that, okay.
Speaker 2: And if you do ask any followup questions, we're going
Speaker 2: to get mad. You think we're being nice, but we
Speaker 2: can get mad. As discussed, but I will.
Speaker 1: You will.
Speaker 3: You'll scare me so much.
Speaker 2: Okay, Vanessa. Putting flax seed in your granola or taking
Speaker 2: the back seat in the corolla.
Speaker 3: Putting flax seed in your.
Speaker 1: Goanaa okay, Vanessa. Gentrifying a neighborhood or petrifying a piece
Speaker 1: of wood.
Speaker 3: Beterrifying a piece of wood.
Speaker 2: Only murders in the building are only losers.
Speaker 3: At the Shindig, only losers at the Shindig.
Speaker 1: Okay, being lost to the sands of time, or peeing
Speaker 1: lots due to all the wine.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.
Speaker 3: Ping lots do all the wine, okay.
Speaker 2: Graduating first at Harvard Law, or having an unquenchable thirst
Speaker 2: for canned white claw m m.
Speaker 3: Graduating first at Harvard Law.
Speaker 1: Okay, knowing you're worth or forgetting your date of birth.
Speaker 3: Hmm, that's a tough one. Knowing you're worth.
Speaker 2: Okay, having an illicit affair with your boss, or having
Speaker 2: stunning red hair like Marsha.
Speaker 3: Cross having stunning red hair like Marsha.
Speaker 1: Have to okay, talking the talk, walking the walk, or
Speaker 1: chalking the chalk outline of a murder victim.
Speaker 4: God, I want to say talking the chalk out line
Speaker 4: of a murdered victim, but I think I have to
Speaker 4: say talking the talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay. So we give each of our guests, we
Speaker 2: give them a rating from zero to one thousand doves.
Speaker 2: I have to say, and I have a reason for this.
Speaker 2: I think that was maybe a perfect score.
Speaker 1: I think so too. Actually, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: So here's my reasoning. Yeah, you started out doing the
Speaker 2: like whispery thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Then you went to normal volume okay, and then there
Speaker 2: was a grand finale where you didn't even know it
Speaker 2: was last one, but for the last one you did
Speaker 2: a little explanation of I was going to say this,
Speaker 2: but then I said this, and that to me is
Speaker 2: very much like it is the arc of a of
Speaker 2: a concept album, like a music concept album. It was
Speaker 2: about like rebirth, Well, it's am on and it is
Speaker 2: about coming of age.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course you went from a quiet little girl yeah,
Speaker 2: to an empowered woman in the span of I want
Speaker 2: to say forty five seconds.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, Oh, thank you so much. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is a coincidence, but it's actually
Speaker 4: be No. I was going to say, it's about to
Speaker 4: be the Jewish New Year, and I think I'm at
Speaker 4: my best. And I hope that putting a timestamp on
Speaker 4: this doesn't mess up the fact that you are, you know,
Speaker 4: doing several podcasts.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, thank you for it is
Speaker 2: truly h Russia Shanta as we speak, Yeah, thank you
Speaker 2: for taking time out day to do a gay podcast. Shantatva.
Speaker 1: Well, should we get into our topic.
Speaker 2: I think so I'm so excited actually to talk about
Speaker 2: this topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be huge.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Vanessa, we would love to know what your
Speaker 2: straight topic is that you brought today and maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit about what you think is straight about it.
Speaker 4: My topic is planning your output for the first day
Speaker 4: of school. And the reason that I think it's very
Speaker 4: straight is because there is this idea, at least that
Speaker 4: I always had planning my output for the first day
Speaker 4: of school, that whatever I would wear on the first
Speaker 4: day would be so impactful to my fellow classmates that
Speaker 4: it would it would turn me into like the exact
Speaker 4: student that I wanted to be, and I probably shouldn't
Speaker 4: have said the exact person I wanted to be, and
Speaker 4: that I would be so beloved and everyone would want
Speaker 4: to be my friend or have a crush on me,
Speaker 4: and that I was just reinventing myself just out of
Speaker 4: an outfit that I can't imagine was.
Speaker 3: Cool in any way looking back on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is such a genius topic because
Speaker 1: one it's like as a child to so clearly recognize
Speaker 1: the social hierarchy of like your peers is I think
Speaker 1: like one of the straightest things because it's also the
Speaker 1: goal is like how do I assimilate but like a
Speaker 1: little bit better, Like I need to play with the
Speaker 1: power structures that exist already, but be like within them,
Speaker 1: but at the top of them, and like not too
Speaker 1: far because that's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this little dance of like how do I
Speaker 1: be normal but the best normal there is?
Speaker 2: Yes, this is something people don't talk about in terms
Speaker 2: of high school archetypes. Is like, actually, most people don't
Speaker 2: want to be the popular girl. They just want to
Speaker 2: be like the third most part. Like they want to
Speaker 2: be in the upper echelon. They don't want the responsibility
Speaker 2: of being head cheerleader or football capitals.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: They want to be in the like Hollywood Hills of school. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: they want to live in the gated community, but be
Speaker 2: like middle class in that within that gated community.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to be popular and yet someone who's
Speaker 4: known for volunteers exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's actually the straightest thing of all because it's
Speaker 2: almost like to want to be number one is pretty gay.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so you want to be a star,
Speaker 2: a star, you want to be.
Speaker 1: A pop star, you want to be you want to
Speaker 1: be latey gagas.
Speaker 2: And then of course being not in the popular crowd
Speaker 2: is also gay because you're oppressed, and so basically the
Speaker 2: straightest thing is being I mean, it's sort of being
Speaker 2: like the upper middle class brunch liberal, like you're sort
Speaker 2: of like, well, I'm not. It's not my fault that
Speaker 2: there is a click problem at this school. I just
Speaker 2: have my own friend group.
Speaker 1: My hands are tied.
Speaker 2: My hands are tied, and you have blood on your hands.
Speaker 2: They might be tied, but there's blood in them.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, yeah, you hold this sis, it's to
Speaker 3: untie them.
Speaker 2: So what not to put you on the spot? What
Speaker 2: kind of outfits are we talking?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What image did you want?
Speaker 1: Do you have one?
Speaker 2: Felt like you put in the rest of these?
Speaker 3: I had this.
Speaker 4: I had this seventeen magazine, I remember that I had.
Speaker 4: I didn't subscribe to seventeen magazine, but I had this
Speaker 4: one seventeen magazine, and I had this whole article about
Speaker 4: this girl planning her outfit for the first day of school,
Speaker 4: maybe teen, planning her out for the first day of school.
Speaker 4: And I would read it every year, like in middle
Speaker 4: school before I would plan as I would plan my
Speaker 4: outfit before the school year started, and always what I
Speaker 4: would come to would be some version of.
Speaker 3: Doc Martin's.
Speaker 4: Because my brother, my older Jonah, who's two years older
Speaker 4: than me, he had Martins. It would be like I
Speaker 4: had Doc Martins, because it would be like Doc Martins,
Speaker 4: but like with something sort of like floral, so that
Speaker 4: I looked sort of edgy but also sweet. And it
Speaker 4: was crazy how I in my mind put myself through,
Speaker 4: like what does this say about me?
Speaker 3: What does that say about me? When you know it?
Speaker 3: That is no one noticed, like no one probably cared
Speaker 3: that much.
Speaker 2: But huh, and what was your normal day to day? Like,
Speaker 2: let's say, not for like just a random Dane February.
Speaker 2: What are we talking?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember. I don't think I had a
Speaker 3: very unique style.
Speaker 2: I think because Doc Martins and flowery, that to me
Speaker 2: gives like riot girl, that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of she she you look someone that knows who they are. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's very punk rock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like the version I was doing of
Speaker 4: it was very subdued.
Speaker 1: I see, ye.
Speaker 4: But I also think like that was just first day
Speaker 4: of school, and then every day after that it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, like a waffle knit long sleeve shirt from
Speaker 4: the gap with jeans or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: The way that I was always trying to brand in school.
Speaker 1: Like I remember being in eighth grade and having like
Speaker 1: one graphic tea that had like like some animal on it,
Speaker 1: and that was like it was like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wear this same graphic tea every Tuesday, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like my thing that my like classmates will know about,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, it's Tuesday, Sam's wearing the shirt.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. God, this is actually.
Speaker 1: I actually forgot about it until right.
Speaker 2: This moment so important, which is I mean, this was
Speaker 2: to want to be known for something. I was to
Speaker 2: have a nickname, like truly, I can't even remember, Like
Speaker 2: I would just be like, oh, people are calling me Twister.
Speaker 2: Spread it around, people are calling me Twister, Like I
Speaker 2: just that's how. But I'm just like I just was
Speaker 2: so desperate to something. I always felt like I was
Speaker 2: so just like a guy.
Speaker 1: Well because I think there's almost like because it's such
Speaker 1: an ocean of like where do you want to fit in?
Speaker 1: Where do you want to fit in? Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: about being like no, no, no, I'm choosing this Slane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like actually, I'm gonna stop chasing. This is my thing,
Speaker 1: and everyone's gonna know this is my thing, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna love that about me.
Speaker 2: I went through a phase where I thought my thing
Speaker 2: would be bright colored corduroys, and so I bought a
Speaker 2: bunch of brightly colored corduroys.
Speaker 1: I had a like orange and yellow phase where I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm only gonna wear orange and yellow.
Speaker 2: The graphic tea, the promise of a graphic tea. How actually,
Speaker 2: graphic t is a great barometer of cool because you
Speaker 2: actually have to exude cool to look cool in a
Speaker 2: graphic tea, and otherwise you do look nerdy. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: remember one time I bought this, like truly probably from
Speaker 2: like Urban Outfitters, a T shirt that had like the
Speaker 2: teenage mutant Ninja turtles on it, and in my mind,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that'd be a cool thing, Like
Speaker 2: if someone cool were that with like ripped jeans, it
Speaker 2: would be like a sort of fun look in like
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. And I looked so stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I was. I really was discovering
Speaker 3: what my style was.
Speaker 4: I I I got into limited To, which was a
Speaker 4: lot of.
Speaker 3: Like long necklaces and beads.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was just it was like expense, yeah,
Speaker 4: except except it would be like a spaghetti strap shirt
Speaker 4: over a long sleep, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was uh, never got never cool enough to just
Speaker 3: skirt over jeans.
Speaker 4: But then it got to like when I was getting
Speaker 4: you know, to seventh eighth grade, it started turned into
Speaker 4: like we got a bin in a republic at the
Speaker 4: mall and if you could afford it, although sometimes they
Speaker 4: would go on sale those super thin long sleeve shirts
Speaker 4: that sometimes they had like you know, sometimes it was
Speaker 4: like a Henley or I remember getting like one that
Speaker 4: had like just like some stripes across that like across
Speaker 4: like the chest part.
Speaker 2: Like I just.
Speaker 3: Remember being like these thin shirts are like gold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the thinner the shirt not revealing, but like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the thinner the shirt the closer to God in terms
Speaker 4: of like wow, like it's so sophisticated to have totally
Speaker 4: such a thin T shirt.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so Dressing in high school is such a
Speaker 2: there's a misunderstanding of the chicken or the egg where
Speaker 2: you think, if you put on the cool clothes, you
Speaker 2: will be cool. But that's not what makes the cool
Speaker 2: kids cool. The cool kids are cool, and that's why
Speaker 2: they know it.
Speaker 1: I don't think the cool kids are inherently cool. I'd say,
Speaker 1: what makes the cool.
Speaker 2: Kids not inherently cool? But like, but do you think
Speaker 2: you can? Sorry, go ahead, Well, what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Is the key was being rich. Oh interesting, that was
Speaker 1: what actually made the cool kids cool. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think of the clothes cools, because they were like
Speaker 1: buying the nicer clothes.
Speaker 2: So that was not the case. So when I lived
Speaker 2: to catch you up Ice our listeners, our listeners now,
Speaker 2: I when I was in like i'ment Trim Middle Schueler
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, and then my family, who's Greek, moved
Speaker 2: back to Greece when I was in high school, so
Speaker 2: I had very different Okay, So in New Jersey I
Speaker 2: felt like it was not related to class like the
Speaker 2: cool kids, it was purely attractiveness level. Like the cool
Speaker 2: guys were like hot and played sports. The cool girls
Speaker 2: were like hot and war and just like looked cool
Speaker 2: and had great hair. In Greece, I felt like suddenly
Speaker 2: everything shifted where the rich kids were cool. And that
Speaker 2: was to me for the longest time, which is so
Speaker 2: silly to think about now. I was like, wow, America
Speaker 2: is a meritocratic because because it is just about how
Speaker 2: attractive you are.
Speaker 1: What a beautiful country.
Speaker 2: I was really like, wow, Greece is so fucked up,
Speaker 2: Like you have to be rich to be cool.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 4: In my school it wasn't necessarily. I went to sort
Speaker 4: of like an upper middle class, you know, that was
Speaker 4: what our neighborhood was, and like I felt like it
Speaker 4: was a real mix of who.
Speaker 3: Had money and who didn't who was cool because.
Speaker 4: There was like my school I went to since I
Speaker 4: was I went from preschool to senior year, like the
Speaker 4: same school district, and I felt like people as young
Speaker 4: as I'm gonna call it third grade kind of established
Speaker 4: if they were cool or not. Yeah, and then like
Speaker 4: you could sort of shift in or out of that.
Speaker 4: But like you, you, it was sort of established so
Speaker 4: early that it had less to do.
Speaker 3: And because sometimes I would like, you know you, if
Speaker 3: you looked just objectively at like who was cool and
Speaker 3: who wasn't, you'd go like, really, like is that who made?
Speaker 3: Who decided this? But and no burn to anyone, but
Speaker 3: I guess I'm but I guess I'm burning everyone. But
Speaker 3: it sort of was like you just it was.
Speaker 4: It was like no rhyme or reason, but it's like
Speaker 4: it was decided and that's forever.
Speaker 2: You're so right, And I actually think that's an important Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's such an important part of the puzzle that sometimes
Speaker 2: it's actually grandfathered in because you just were cool in
Speaker 2: second grade. It doesn't matter how yes, you develop yes,
Speaker 2: like and it's just your grandfather did in.
Speaker 3: Your grandfathered in.
Speaker 4: And which is why I think the dream was always
Speaker 4: so many teen romantic comedies where somebody gets who's not
Speaker 4: grandfathered in, who's actually not in the popular group, somehow
Speaker 4: they become really hot in high school and somehow they
Speaker 4: start dating someone who is in the popular group and
Speaker 4: they become popular, and it's like that's everybody's dream.
Speaker 2: That's like this, that's the promise of the first school,
Speaker 2: that's the promise of the first day of school outfit.
Speaker 2: And in fact, okay, not to continue my metaphor of
Speaker 2: the upper class of high school being the sort of bourgeoisie,
Speaker 2: but to me, it's like you are like nouveau reach.
Speaker 2: You're like you're like the you're like the woman with
Speaker 2: the flashy Louisvtan purse, but the real rich women know
Speaker 2: you're not on their level.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: You get in to it from recently being hot exactly.
Speaker 1: The people are almost like, yeah, she's popular but not.
Speaker 3: Popular, and second grade are like the old money.
Speaker 2: Exact exactly, that's what it. Yes, this is genius. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like the old Moneys, people who have been popular
Speaker 2: since second grade. New money as people who you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't want to be vulgar, but it's
Speaker 2: like you know, girls who like come back in the
Speaker 2: summer and they like gotten boops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Georgia being vulgar. You're so sorry, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: on my podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm offended.
Speaker 1: I the the like way that people stayed popular throughout
Speaker 1: like that always really scared me because to catch you up,
Speaker 1: I also I moved like every two to three years
Speaker 1: growing up, and so I was always going to new schools.
Speaker 3: And here was one of your parents in the Coast Guard.
Speaker 1: No, okay, but I wish how cool.
Speaker 4: Having someone in our school people move every three years
Speaker 4: because they're dead.
Speaker 2: That's what everyone asked.
Speaker 1: Youlary military, and it's like, no, just kind of a
Speaker 1: random guy. But so I was always like the first
Speaker 1: day of school mattered so much because I was like,
Speaker 1: they're gonna judge me, like this is the final exam,
Speaker 1: basically is that first outfit. And so it was a
Speaker 1: crazy little journey because like and most I got pretty
Speaker 1: good at it, Like I really did overthink it and
Speaker 1: like would hit them all and be like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: is it, what's gonna work, What's what's hitting right now?
Speaker 1: What's now what's hot? But then like it backfired so
Speaker 1: bad when I moved to Southern Virginia from Michigan and
Speaker 1: the it was like I wore like, you know, the
Speaker 1: Hollister t and the like I pretended like I was
Speaker 1: like from Cali, which like in Michigan is probably the
Speaker 1: coolest you can look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this almost from Cali. Like I've said
Speaker 2: this to you before. It's like when I when we
Speaker 2: moved back to Greece, Abercrombie, which was sort of not
Speaker 2: cool anymore in America, was suddenly the biggest sign that
Speaker 2: you were you were well traveled in Greece, like in
Speaker 2: like a smaller European country. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: all this stuff that I thought was uncool suddenly I
Speaker 2: would wear my Abercrombie branded hoodie and everyone would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: are you a shipping heir?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: As soon as I walked into like the school in Virginia,
Speaker 1: it was truly just like gay like it was like yep,
Speaker 1: your guy. And I was like, oh no, I blew it.
Speaker 1: I blew the first day.
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's a tough line between California surfer and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a tough little line. And I had
Speaker 1: no idea they were so close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talking about like a pukahell necklace. It's
Speaker 2: like that's It's truly like it depends on who's wearing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be you can be like the meanest
Speaker 1: jock or you can be in the choice of on video.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is like you, once you've
Speaker 4: worn that outfit, you have a choice, which is to
Speaker 4: really lean into it and to be like I'm going
Speaker 4: to dress like this every day until people start thinking
Speaker 4: it's cool, or to just be like never mind.
Speaker 1: By I'm very never mind think. I was like nope, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: It was like get me a vineyard, vines or something.
Speaker 2: Was cool that was cool.
Speaker 1: Cool. All were like polos and boat shoes because there
Speaker 1: it was more money based, got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see it's so funny. Of course the prep thing
Speaker 2: is money based. When I lived in New Jersey, it
Speaker 2: had like never occurred to me that that was what
Speaker 2: it was signifying. I was like, fun colors, it's just.
Speaker 3: Occurring to me now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like right, of course, Yeah, I guess it
Speaker 2: was all all money.
Speaker 1: Oh it's cut. Oh it's all money.
Speaker 2: It's all these signifiers. Actually, Like this was something especially
Speaker 2: in New Jersey. There was a sort of like I
Speaker 2: would see dads wearing salmon colored pants and I'd be like,
Speaker 2: how embarrassing are they gay? But it's just to signal
Speaker 2: that they're rich.
Speaker 3: They're rich, Yeah, they're rich. Yeah, they're just rich.
Speaker 1: They're just the other I'm realizing I had thinking about
Speaker 1: like the first day.
Speaker 2: I also had this strategy.
Speaker 1: Do you remember in like Sex and the City, when
Speaker 1: Samantha's trying to get her like boy toy to happen
Speaker 1: for time right now and it's Smith Jared Smith Jarrett,
Speaker 1: and she's like, first you get the gaze, then you
Speaker 1: get the girls, and then you're a star or whatever.
Speaker 1: I had the opposite. I was like, okay, if girls
Speaker 1: think I'm hot, then I will be protected and then boys, well,
Speaker 1: then everyone will want to be friends with me.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Would truly like target, Like I'd be like, popular girls
Speaker 1: need to like me, and as soon as they do,
Speaker 1: I'm set.
Speaker 2: And it always worked, Like yeah.
Speaker 1: It always worked.
Speaker 4: Popular girls are not only the scariest people on the
Speaker 4: planet but also like the most important if they like you.
Speaker 4: I would not say it was one of the popular girls,
Speaker 4: but they all kind of liked me, and they I
Speaker 4: felt protected.
Speaker 2: Do you feel okay? So this is related? Yeah? I
Speaker 2: do actually think when I track which years were the
Speaker 2: best years of my school life, it was based on
Speaker 2: if the popular girls like me. Wo But okay, my
Speaker 2: question is do you think okay? So there's old money
Speaker 2: popular since second grade new money got booms. But then
Speaker 2: there is a tricky third thing, which is that it
Speaker 2: is true that sometimes being funny in the right way,
Speaker 2: it is a left field way to enter the fray.
Speaker 1: That is so, and it's for both.
Speaker 2: It's more for men, more for boys rather in high
Speaker 2: school because it's like often you would see like all
Speaker 2: the popular guys are hot and then there's one guy
Speaker 2: that's not as hot. But he's the funny one, but
Speaker 2: he's like as desirable for the girls as the hot ones.
Speaker 2: And so that is almost like if there's old money
Speaker 2: and new money, that is almost like, I mean, how
Speaker 2: would you what is what is the metal way in
Speaker 2: the in the financial, in the economic and the economy.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm really racking my brain and
Speaker 1: you've stumped me, to be honest.
Speaker 3: See that's like that is God, that's almost okay. If
Speaker 3: there's old money, which is became popular in second third grade,
Speaker 3: there's new money. Who's the people who sort of like
Speaker 3: have this big mostly.
Speaker 4: Physical transit glow up in high school, and that's new money.
Speaker 4: I would say that the funny particularly guy coming into
Speaker 4: like the popular group is.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I have a swing. It's like fame exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like they don't have the money, but they're invited
Speaker 1: to the cool thing.
Speaker 2: It's something that blinds you where suddenly money doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, they're like the talented artists, the talented
Speaker 2: creative the like, and being in proxity, in close proximity
Speaker 2: to them makes the old money like makes the old money.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they're like they have like the prestige of
Speaker 4: of yeah, of fame they have their their status is
Speaker 4: not from money, but it's so it's it's almost it
Speaker 4: like allows them to kind of rise above everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's the priceless thing. It's like the it's
Speaker 2: the thing that you can't get with money. Yes, talent,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's wow.
Speaker 3: I mean now I'm in it.
Speaker 4: I think I was in a different class because I was.
Speaker 4: I had really good friends that are still my closest
Speaker 4: friends to this day, which is very straight to me.
Speaker 2: Well, we literally have done an episode where the topic
Speaker 2: was friends from home.
Speaker 3: Yes, I listened to real Yes, Yeah, so I listened
Speaker 3: to the whole thing.
Speaker 4: And and I but but and I feel that my
Speaker 4: friends that I'm still friends with were all like very cool,
Speaker 4: but they just weren't like part of like the most
Speaker 4: popular yes group or whatever. But I would say because
Speaker 4: I was friends with them, and because I was like
Speaker 4: accepted by the popular girls, and I was in a
Speaker 4: lot of classes with the and and close with a
Speaker 4: lot of like really smart people too, which this did
Speaker 4: not happen.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you were sort of like the Queen Bee.
Speaker 3: I sort of, I sort of was.
Speaker 4: I wasn't cool, but I was sort of friends with everybody,
Speaker 4: and I guess I'm bragging about you.
Speaker 3: I think I was a politician.
Speaker 2: That's right, And actually that is a fourth type that
Speaker 2: is all money artist, sort of famous artist.
Speaker 3: Politics, politician, and actually politicans.
Speaker 2: It's so true because I can think, literally, I can
Speaker 2: think of who in my high school was the politician. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is. It's always one person and it's truly like
Speaker 2: and then people will be like, oh, well you know
Speaker 2: that Vanessa, she's a politician. She'll be president one day.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's something I.
Speaker 3: Did get most likely to succeed.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, obsessed And actually this goes back to you.
Speaker 3: It came out too fast.
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, this is this is my of Vanessa
Speaker 1: at the lunch table. Wait have we met?
Speaker 2: Well, you really have shown all parts of your person there.
Speaker 2: It's like first you like immediately zeroed in on the
Speaker 2: like lost sort of lost kitten thing. You were like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I can I a web and weaponizing that is
Speaker 2: how you become a politician. That's because you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm innocent, I'm pure, I'm lost. Yeah, can everyone someone
Speaker 2: explain it to me? And then people start gathering around
Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, so you're gonna be my hair person.
Speaker 2: You there.
Speaker 3: Because I'm like.
Speaker 4: In the classes, like I was in a lot of
Speaker 4: AP classes, but it was sort of like, okay.
Speaker 2: Again you're ragging. You're so you're smart too.
Speaker 3: The thing that to make a point, because which was
Speaker 3: i'd go up to like you know, it'd be like
Speaker 3: the murder kids were like they were also my friends.
Speaker 3: I was like, can you tutor me? Like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, but that is a politician thing. That is a
Speaker 2: politician thing, because famously, a politician is never and I'm
Speaker 2: not saying this to offend you by any but it's
Speaker 2: like a politician.
Speaker 3: Is feels like you're speaking directly about is never.
Speaker 2: Like the number one student, let's say, but it's the
Speaker 2: one who can who can sort of manipulate everyone to
Speaker 2: their advantage. Because if you were the number one student,
Speaker 2: you would become a doctor. Yeah, you wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: be apolis. You never get elected exactly. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to make the joke I was going to make,
Speaker 2: but it was homophobic.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, like I might make you mis
Speaker 3: take this up.
Speaker 1: That's perfect, my bo.
Speaker 4: Biden is that I had leukemia, if that makes sense totally.
Speaker 2: I see, so you even had you even I.
Speaker 1: Actually was going to bring this up and then I
Speaker 1: was like that, don't feel inappropriate. But I was like,
Speaker 1: so you had everything was perfect about you. But then
Speaker 1: whenever someone was like she's perfect, she has it all,
Speaker 1: you could be like, no, sweet.
Speaker 3: I had lukemia in high school.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's my common app essay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so look at me. I've I get diagnosed with gumia.
Speaker 4: In ninth grade of spring break, miss, fourth quarter of
Speaker 4: ninth grade, come back, tenth grade miss is a lot
Speaker 4: of school.
Speaker 3: But I'm getting better and and okay, and then my
Speaker 3: senior year, I'm prom queen, most likely to succeed, best personality,
Speaker 3: best smile a most optimistic. I don't know why to
Speaker 3: roll off my tongue so quickly.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were allowed to get more than one.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they've changed their roles. Maybe I messed up
Speaker 3: for everybody else, don't care van.
Speaker 2: Clause get more than one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess the point is I remember those
Speaker 4: two clearly.
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, I'm the politician.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, I mean this is I literally feel like
Speaker 1: I'm like watching the end of Survivor or something, it's like, oh.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, like, oh, it's been her the
Speaker 2: whole time. Yeah, this is so fascinating. And the fact
Speaker 2: that we actually also have the self knowledge. Yes, the
Speaker 2: self awareness is the scariest part.
Speaker 3: I feel. Yes, yes, I feel like I'm I guess
Speaker 3: I'm a silent killer.
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that, wow secrets out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I.
Speaker 2: Guess.
Speaker 3: So where would you each say you just stick it
Speaker 3: off of me?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Where would you say you fall in the would you
Speaker 4: both say that you're the Oh talent?
Speaker 2: I see, I seem okay, this is a good this
Speaker 2: is a very good.
Speaker 1: I think I was definitely the talent. I think I
Speaker 1: was like the funny kid, and I also think it
Speaker 1: was charming that I was sort of non threatening and
Speaker 1: that like both like the girls weren't threatened because they
Speaker 1: were like, he seems nice, and the boys weren't threatened
Speaker 1: because they're like, he doesn't seem like he's going after girls.
Speaker 1: So it was sort of like I was just sort
Speaker 1: of like.
Speaker 3: The pal But that's I had a little of that too,
Speaker 3: So you you maybe were a little bit of the politician.
Speaker 1: I think I might have been a little bit of
Speaker 1: a little Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was. Okay, I think I was
Speaker 2: the second best politician, which is the worst place to be,
Speaker 2: which is I was like, I'm like, I have the
Speaker 2: talent in me, I could be the politician, but there
Speaker 2: was always someone that was better at being the politician
Speaker 2: than me. So I was sort of like a second
Speaker 2: class politician. Like I was like the you know, the Kamala.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: I was the comment.
Speaker 1: Were you working with the other politician and like sort
Speaker 1: of or were you like trying to bring them down?
Speaker 2: No, because ultimately I recognized that the other polic I
Speaker 2: was jealous of the chest you.
Speaker 3: Can think of your head of a specific politician.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was, and he had he was just like
Speaker 2: a more charismatic version of me. I would say. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing. I also was like, oh, he's also
Speaker 2: what frustrated me is. I was like, he's also a
Speaker 2: little corny, and I'm like, don't people see that I'm
Speaker 2: like the politician, Like yeah, if you sort of like
Speaker 2: if you want someone to follow, but you're sort of
Speaker 2: cool and have a sense of humor, I'm your guy.
Speaker 2: Why are you still following?
Speaker 1: You were too radical?
Speaker 2: I was too radical.
Speaker 1: You were Bernie?
Speaker 2: I was you were Bernie. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Like people with tastes were like, well, of course.
Speaker 2: Exactly, I was Bernie. Maybe even Dennis Kucinich. Yeah no,
Speaker 2: that's actually that's so true.
Speaker 1: And stuck with your morals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean remember the Georgia Awards. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's classic me trying too hard to be politician.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I made up something in middle school, no, elementary school,
Speaker 2: called the Georgia Wards, where I just out of nowhere
Speaker 2: printed out ballots and was like, oh my god, hot
Speaker 2: a sky cutest couple, and I made everyone vote.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: This was not high school, to be clear, I was
Speaker 2: like four third graders.
Speaker 1: Think the number keeps getting smaller and small.
Speaker 2: I don't like I was not It was elementary school.
Speaker 2: M it was okery, New Jersey, So I can't be
Speaker 2: all accountable. I was blind to buy all the salmon
Speaker 2: colored culture. The culture was. The culture was so different.
Speaker 2: I was from me different anyway. Yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 2: I didn't have what I guess now you would call
Speaker 2: chill like I was just like I don't want to be.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be on top. Yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to be on top.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Anyway, this was I think we're bringing so
Speaker 1: much shame to each of us.
Speaker 2: And I actually felt so raw and vulnerable right now.
Speaker 4: But I feel like it's so nice to be able
Speaker 4: to look back and recognize what you were doing.
Speaker 3: You didn't even know you were doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have a question.
Speaker 3: And also we had good intentions. No one was trying
Speaker 3: to I.
Speaker 2: Never wanted to hurt yeah anyone.
Speaker 3: I genuinely was like, Okay, I'm going to tell a story. No,
Speaker 3: it's too politician.
Speaker 2: I want to do it.
Speaker 3: I won't. I won't.
Speaker 1: Okay. I have a question related to this top day, Okay,
Speaker 1: and I want to know does dressing for the first
Speaker 1: day of school translate to dressing to the first day
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 2: The way you took the words regiment. WHOA Really I've
Speaker 2: been for the past five minutes, I've been like, that's
Speaker 2: gonna be my next question, all right.
Speaker 1: Because for me, well, I honestly have never had like
Speaker 1: a traditional office job.
Speaker 2: I feel like, okay, all right, here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2: Dressing for the first day of school, there's something a
Speaker 2: little sort of like tryhard pathetic about it. But when
Speaker 2: you're starting a new job, it's like, well, yeah, if
Speaker 2: you take yourself seriously, you will look at on your
Speaker 2: first day, like I think I am pro looking pro
Speaker 2: turning a look for the first day of a job.
Speaker 1: See, in my mind, I would be embarrassed of like
Speaker 1: dressing up too much. It would kind of be the
Speaker 1: same thing, right, like overthink how can I look casual
Speaker 1: but smart and cool.
Speaker 2: It was also something about a jobhere, it's like you applied,
Speaker 2: you were accepted. Now you have to turn it out.
Speaker 2: Whereas school, it's like, yeah, you're in a public school,
Speaker 2: so is everyone like yeah, what do you think you are?
Speaker 2: Giselle bunchkin eye? Everyone else is also in school. You
Speaker 2: didn't have to like apply.
Speaker 1: Orse, I feel like, okaye, you weren't that popular. Who
Speaker 1: do you think you are? Just a you're in public school, Mama.
Speaker 2: First at a job, you're like, you're like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: did a you like good, you know, congrats on hiring me.
Speaker 2: I look stunning. Yeah, like I wouldn't, I think. Okay,
Speaker 2: first of all, you have had first oh no, but
Speaker 2: I guess most recently was on.
Speaker 4: Okay, I remember interview outfits being very huge. And I
Speaker 4: remember both summers when I was in college, I interned,
Speaker 4: and I remember my intern interviews. My friend Cheryl still
Speaker 4: a very good friend in a very politician way, er
Speaker 4: took me to Banana Republic, and I had to be
Speaker 4: like both summers, I bought like a new pair of
Speaker 4: like dress pants and shirts and dress and she was
Speaker 4: in the business school like button down shirt and none
Speaker 4: of the jobs that I was interviewing for were like
Speaker 4: that's what you would wear for like business internships. But
Speaker 4: I was interning at like TV like more in the
Speaker 4: TV world, and so I I think I looked over
Speaker 4: dressed for both of my interviews, but I wanted to
Speaker 4: look like a little business lady when I went to
Speaker 4: those interviews, and I remember that being very important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, Actually you saying that, I do remember
Speaker 1: wearing a full suit to an internship interview.
Speaker 4: Because I was like, that's what you do, That's what
Speaker 4: people wear at jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like that's what that's what my
Speaker 1: dad wants. Yeah, wear your little suit and go to
Speaker 1: your interview. Yeah. And I bombed, I tell you, I
Speaker 1: bombed so hard and felt so stupid.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had one of those jobs or one
Speaker 2: time once in my life. And in fact, our friend
Speaker 2: Pat has a joke about this, which is like lying
Speaker 2: about knowing Excel, but then they make you do it.
Speaker 2: I really did one time have like an interview where
Speaker 2: they actually give you a computer and tell you to
Speaker 2: do something in Excel and they projected onto the world
Speaker 2: and I did not. I just simply did not.
Speaker 3: What was Can I ask what the type of job
Speaker 3: it was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was at a tech company and
Speaker 2: it was something along the lines of like project managed,
Speaker 2: project associated, like just some sort of like nothing title
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, your job would have been literally
Speaker 2: to do Excel, but it's not coding. It's not like
Speaker 2: you had to yeah you know C plus plus or
Speaker 2: something like. It's like, so what did you say? I mean?
Speaker 2: I really just sat there. Well, okay, so I knew
Speaker 2: this was coming. So I had spent a week googling
Speaker 2: around and learning like the main things you should learn.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, but it was not enough because you
Speaker 2: can't just in a week learn like if if you're.
Speaker 3: Excel just putting stuff into a grid or.
Speaker 2: There's more. That's it's crazy. They it's actually so dishonest
Speaker 2: to be like, do you know Excel, because.
Speaker 1: Because it's like, well, I know, I know how to
Speaker 1: put stuff into one Cel. But then there's like it
Speaker 1: gets really it gets you.
Speaker 2: Even back then, I yeah.
Speaker 1: George's seventy two.
Speaker 3: By the way, even a few years ago, I would think.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's been like that since. Like, Excel is
Speaker 2: like secretly one of the most powerful tools at our
Speaker 2: disposal and we have no idea about it.
Speaker 3: Billivy.
Speaker 4: Do we use Excel when we fill out the show
Speaker 4: descriptions for the podcast?
Speaker 2: But yeah, you can use it for that. But then imagine,
Speaker 2: imagine this, Vanessa, that same spreadsheet you use to just
Speaker 2: do the podcast descriptions someone can use to literally like
Speaker 2: solve a really difficult equation.
Speaker 3: Right because it's like X yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Say no more, okay, your genius. Oh so you know Excel.
Speaker 2: Somebody go to the laptop. Laptop, We've got the job.
Speaker 2: You better wear a suit to your first day, Well, Vanessa,
Speaker 2: I'm keeping eye on the clock. Any final thoughts on
Speaker 2: the topic of wearing, sorry, planning your outfit for the
Speaker 2: first day of school.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess my final thought is what how far
Speaker 4: we've come that we've taken it from you know, how
Speaker 4: will I be perceived on the first day of school
Speaker 4: to figuring out how each one of us fell into
Speaker 4: the hierarchy of of old money versus new money, versus
Speaker 4: politician versus famous talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm obsessed with our so I actually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's it's like as big of a
Speaker 3: deal as the thing that they say is like on
Speaker 3: every TV show in Seinfeld where there's like Seinfeld is
Speaker 3: an example where there's like the Princess the other three.
Speaker 2: Yes, I I did once read this at some point
Speaker 2: in my life. This is the rent. I don't have
Speaker 2: the information that this is that. Yes, yes, yes, no,
Speaker 2: I completely agree. And actually, if you're listening to this
Speaker 2: and you're in high school, let's hope you're in the
Speaker 2: right group, because unless you're planning on developing over the
Speaker 2: summer to change time, yeah.
Speaker 3: As you're planning on being the new money, which anyone.
Speaker 2: Can anyone, well not anyone, anyone. Well maybe you can
Speaker 2: buy you really show stopping outfit.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, the outfit won't do it.
Speaker 2: It won't do it. The best you can hope for,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: What are the people that are in none of the
Speaker 3: groups we just mentioned.
Speaker 2: The lower classes, right, the proletariat, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Which in our I didn't invent the system, of course.
Speaker 2: To bring it back to straight culture, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: so then where does so often we in fact talk
Speaker 2: about class rather than sexuality. Yeah, which does make it
Speaker 2: co which doesn't make it complicated. So I'm like, right,
Speaker 2: so in that sense, I mean, of course, the politician
Speaker 2: and the talented famous are the most queer things you
Speaker 2: can be, because they're like unique and sort of court
Speaker 2: gestures that are well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very like whisper networks, exact power. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I guess the lower classes are also queer,
Speaker 2: but like in a flop way, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the way that being gay in high school was
Speaker 1: like okay, like better be like a famous politician exactly,
Speaker 1: because it was like, if you're not, it's very much
Speaker 1: like you were choosing a sexuality is a choice, of course,
Speaker 1: so you're when you are gay in high school, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you are either going to be the bottom of the
Speaker 1: bottom or the tippy toddling like and.
Speaker 2: Actually being a politician, for a gay man especially is
Speaker 2: often the way to worm your way in. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: actually it really I'm trying to think for gay women
Speaker 2: and for other people on the LGBTQ spectrum, for gay
Speaker 2: men especially. I really do think being a politician is
Speaker 2: the way in, don't you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's almost what's that thing of Like it's
Speaker 1: not like making a deal the devil, but there's some
Speaker 1: like sociological term for being like, Okay, I know I'm
Speaker 1: on the outside, but I'm going to side with the
Speaker 1: power because that's the only way for me to have power.
Speaker 2: It's also sort of a way to de sexualize yourself
Speaker 2: because you're like, I'm not gay, I'm class president.
Speaker 1: Any questions, right, Yeah, would a gay guy be organizing prom.
Speaker 2: Good point? Wow? Wow? Should we do our final segment?
Speaker 1: I think we should do our final segment is this.
Speaker 2: Has been an absolute life.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm having so much fun.
Speaker 1: Would you like to sure our final segment is called
Speaker 1: shout Outs, and in this segment we pay homage to
Speaker 1: the great straight oral tradition of the radio shout out
Speaker 1: to anything that we enjoy So pretended two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: You're at TRL shouting out to your squad back home,
Speaker 1: but about anything that you like and George and I
Speaker 1: are going to go first. Ye do you have one?
Speaker 2: I could do one? Okay, it's sort of okay, it
Speaker 2: has two parts. Okay, what's up, freaks and losers? Back home?
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to the new
Speaker 2: album mid Air by Romy, which I have been absolutely
Speaker 2: obsessed with over the last few days. And if you
Speaker 2: don't know, Romy is the one woman in the XX,
Speaker 2: the band that was at the top of the world
Speaker 2: in exactly twenty twelve. Now here's the thing with me.
Speaker 2: I spent the last week staying with my friends who
Speaker 2: are a queer women couple in Berkeley, California, and I
Speaker 2: was out on my walks listening to this album that
Speaker 2: is about queer woman love. It is literally all about
Speaker 2: how much she loves her wife. And so here I
Speaker 2: am waking up with two women that are in a relationship,
Speaker 2: going out listening to music about women that are in
Speaker 2: a relationship, coming back to two women in a relationship.
Speaker 2: I have never been more optimistic about the state of
Speaker 2: queer women in our society. I think we are ready
Speaker 2: for a lesbian president. I think they are the backbone
Speaker 2: of the LGBTQ plus community, and I think pretty much.
Speaker 2: No one who is in a queer woman should be
Speaker 2: an artist or a politician moving forward. So shout out
Speaker 2: to Romy, shout out to my friends Randon, Emma, and
Speaker 2: shout out to queer woman everywhere.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I was gonna do Seattle. What we already
Speaker 1: talked about it. You can do it though, No, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to branch out. Okay, Portland, what's
Speaker 1: up preaklusures and perports around the globe. I want to
Speaker 1: give a huge shout out to the California vibe. I
Speaker 1: have been walking around and everybody it's so chill, so attractive,
Speaker 1: so young. Where do they keep the old people here? Anyway?
Speaker 1: I have been sort of loving it in a way
Speaker 1: where I'm like, what if I wasn't critical of my surroundings.
Speaker 1: What if I simply saw it and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. I'm gonna do that, and everything is pretty,
Speaker 1: everything's comfortable, the plants are nice, and I'm saying, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this is great for me. But if I just chilled out,
Speaker 1: was happy, had a beautiful home and a beautiful life,
Speaker 1: what if I didn't need strife and pain and inconveniences
Speaker 1: to you know, move through the world. So I want
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the California vibe. You
Speaker 1: guys are doing it right. I know there is darkness here,
Speaker 1: but I don't see it. Yes, aeroic so Sam.
Speaker 2: Wow, I love that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I feel like which thing to do?
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm ready, Okay, what's up, y'all? This is
Speaker 4: Vanessa Bayer from Cleveland, Ohio, and I just wanted to
Speaker 4: say a shout out to silium husk.
Speaker 3: Cilium husk. What is it? It's some kind of a
Speaker 3: husk that makes you shift. People take it every day.
Speaker 4: Some people take it in pill form, some people take
Speaker 4: it in powder forms. Some people take it in these
Speaker 4: little kind of uh they break it up and it sort.
Speaker 3: Of feels like it's little pieces of trusk.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 4: Anyway, if you incorporate into your diet, it's a lot
Speaker 4: of fiber and it can really help keep things in
Speaker 4: this crazy world.
Speaker 3: It can help keep things regular.
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean I never heard of that.
Speaker 1: Oh honey, it's in your peer for men.
Speaker 2: Oh good, Okay, I take it.
Speaker 1: I mean to come on and take it daily, to
Speaker 1: come on a gay podcast and we're we know. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, this you're literally stealing this.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. We actually I have never looked
Speaker 2: into what is in Pure for Men. By the way,
Speaker 2: if they want to be advertisers, we both use.
Speaker 3: It happens to us on our podcast is a lot
Speaker 3: too where we're like, we're we're promoting this thing about
Speaker 3: these people.
Speaker 2: And by the way, people have told me that Pure
Speaker 2: forre Men is just overpriced normal fiber that you can
Speaker 2: get in the store, of course, but if they want
Speaker 2: to be an advertiser, I will actually go live on
Speaker 2: air and say that that's actually incorrect.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I don't care branded for gay guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just normal fibers.
Speaker 2: Branded for branded for gay guys, Vanessa, and I.
Speaker 3: Want to know, like what is in there that I
Speaker 3: can't have?
Speaker 1: Right, So basically, if you take even one, you could die.
Speaker 2: I mean I am by the way, Yeah, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: I understand not to be like I love companies, but
Speaker 2: like the fact that they branded for gay men, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I support that. Why would I want to.
Speaker 1: Give my money to something that's I hate companies, But I'm.
Speaker 4: Just saying, like if it is mostly cillium husk, which
Speaker 4: maybe it isn't, but like if that's.
Speaker 2: The it's a proprietory blend.
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of different little things in.
Speaker 3: The Okay, okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to have something for gay guys that's
Speaker 1: still branded. Like it's sort of like dude wipes or
Speaker 1: something totally total.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's like Sanseraf, like black Blue. It's
Speaker 2: not like, hey, queen, it's very like if you're a man,
Speaker 2: you can take it like a man.
Speaker 1: It's actually insane.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I need to order another bottle me too.
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, then that's not we're getting you some Wow. Wow,
Speaker 2: another incredible in the bag.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I'm so ready to get out there and get another
Speaker 2: Airwan's movie.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there's so much stuff to get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, there's another.
Speaker 4: Episode I like using monk fruit sweetener, Like I'm, I'm.
Speaker 4: It's it's supposed to not affect your like blood sugar levels,
Speaker 4: but it's a it's like a different form of like
Speaker 4: sort of like a sugar type of thing. Okay, they
Speaker 4: have like monk fruit sweetener, sweetened maple syrup, chocolate chips, like,
Speaker 4: they have so many monk fruit, sweetened things, cooking baking stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you guys wish you hadn't asked me this?
Speaker 1: No idea?
Speaker 2: I've never been more. Oh. I was like, I want
Speaker 2: to know where you're going with it. Oh, so you
Speaker 2: like that, that's it? Okay, got it? Got it? Okay? Well,
Speaker 2: but also.
Speaker 3: They have they have, you know, prepared foods.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of you having like the funniest episode.
Speaker 2: You're doing such a good job, and then the final
Speaker 2: question you crack.
Speaker 1: Oh it's like a full half hour.
Speaker 2: So then they have the sandwich.
Speaker 1: So the sandwich is kind of interesting because you guys
Speaker 1: are just sitting there like like, well, okay, this has
Speaker 1: been incredible, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And then you don't forget to listen to Vanessa's and
Speaker 2: Jonah bears podcast, Yes how did we get weird?
Speaker 3: Wherever you got your podcast?
Speaker 1: Wherever you get your podcasts?
Speaker 2: All right, bye y'all, Bye bye,