Speaker 1: My grandmother.
Speaker 2: Club Wa got the Breakfast Club, Envy and Charlomagne the
Speaker 2: voice of the culture.
Speaker 3: Then I'm gona come here when this see y'all different,
Speaker 3: y'all the culture it's different.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Like y'all know what you're talking.
Speaker 3: This is probably becoming the most prominent form for hip problem.
Speaker 5: Being here next to all of you guys.
Speaker 4: It's really put it in perspective to the Breakfast Club. Bitch,
Speaker 4: wake up. It's your time to get it off your chest.
Speaker 4: Way up, whether you're man or bleats, time to get
Speaker 4: up and get something.
Speaker 6: Call up now.
Speaker 7: Eight hundred five eighty five one O five one. We
Speaker 7: want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4: Hello. Who's this is?
Speaker 8: Nasty blind?
Speaker 4: But Hello Envy, nasty blind buck? What up? Brother? That
Speaker 4: sounds the gross man y'all y'all don't know where your
Speaker 4: mind nasty blinding up with.
Speaker 8: All blind beauty?
Speaker 9: Yeah from VA man somethtimes.
Speaker 4: Well, how are you, sir? How's it going?
Speaker 10: I'm good.
Speaker 6: How y'all doing?
Speaker 4: Man less black and Holly? Yeah? Man.
Speaker 11: I just want to tell y'all about my podcast that
Speaker 11: y'all got me started.
Speaker 8: It's called three am part. Okay, Yeah, so I'm just
Speaker 8: interviewing like a bunch of local and blind people out
Speaker 8: there in the world that's.
Speaker 6: Going through life andy doing different things.
Speaker 10: So John, following me on that, I g at three
Speaker 10: am part.
Speaker 4: You said you you interviewing local blind people.
Speaker 8: Yeah, local blind people and blind people. Uh, just all
Speaker 8: over the world.
Speaker 6: Okay, my last interview I had a blind artist up there.
Speaker 8: He's from Maryland.
Speaker 10: So yeah, man, I'm just interviewing everybody that's doing something.
Speaker 6: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of that podcast. Man, I can
Speaker 3: I can see that work.
Speaker 12: But there's a lot there's a lot of blind people
Speaker 12: that that actually listen, so so how can they get
Speaker 12: in touch with you if they want to get on
Speaker 12: your podcast?
Speaker 3: All right, listen following me with I g at three
Speaker 3: am pot a brother by the way, and you can go.
Speaker 8: On Spotify and listen to the podcast.
Speaker 3: If you're going to lot to launch a podcasts, you
Speaker 3: should think of a unique angle because there's so many
Speaker 3: podcasts out there, so in order to cut through the noise,
Speaker 3: you got to have like a unique angle, and that
Speaker 3: is a very unique game.
Speaker 12: I think he can get more creative with the name
Speaker 12: what was it all three am pogast?
Speaker 4: Oh what does that mean?
Speaker 13: Though?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think you some ofem more like
Speaker 4: let him know its blind people being interviewed. There might
Speaker 4: be it might be should I ask them, might be
Speaker 4: some meeting behind that. Hung up? Hello, who is this?
Speaker 6: Good morning, Envy?
Speaker 8: Good morning? Uh, good morning Queen.
Speaker 13: Yeah. I just Amy, please don't hang up for me.
Speaker 13: I got two things, man. I just want to talk
Speaker 13: about the topic you had yesterday, man, and when he
Speaker 13: touched me man and had my allergies acting up.
Speaker 4: Pretty much.
Speaker 13: When it comes to the marriage thing, I've been married
Speaker 13: for pretty much fifteen years, been together for twenty two.
Speaker 13: I love my queen unconditioning. I don't care what she
Speaker 13: goes through. I'm going through that with her, and for
Speaker 13: the most part, man. My second thing is that I
Speaker 13: just want to shout my queen and my kids out, man,
Speaker 13: because I never got a chance to do that last time, Envy,
Speaker 13: And I just want to let them know that Shaun
Speaker 13: and Sandys, TJ Tyler, to Rio and j Jo Brad,
Speaker 13: you love y'all wholeheartedly. And every day I'm gonna strive
Speaker 13: to be a better father, a better friend to my wife,
Speaker 13: and it's a better person for the black community.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 13: I just want to let y'all know, y'all make the
Speaker 13: red more logical when it comes to thinking about realizing
Speaker 13: that our communities need people like you guys, man, because
Speaker 13: it's a lot of negativity ill re is and one
Speaker 13: thing I said about you guys, you put it in
Speaker 13: perspective the way it needs to be put.
Speaker 8: And I appreciate you.
Speaker 13: Brothers man because every day you motivate me to be better.
Speaker 13: You motive beat me to get my buddy go make
Speaker 13: it happy for my family. And I just want you
Speaker 13: to know, man, I love y'all, man, and thank you.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 1: Is this that's me Kanya from the Well. I'm Jamaican.
Speaker 9: With nothing to give you guys.
Speaker 1: New my son got absected to heart bread doctor doctory
Speaker 1: say and guess what happened. I've been listening to you
Speaker 1: guys for years, every morning we dragged from the Bronx
Speaker 1: to Manhattan to suck this academy. And I've been reading
Speaker 1: for years, taking up to school every day to sit
Speaker 1: up to all the success teachers brings up to that school.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I'm so proud of my son.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 9: You know what happens. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 10: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Everybody has a story, but Charlomy always did the craziest
Speaker 1: people from the Bronx in Florida. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: lying to you. Tell I mean, you're returning to your opinion.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you this. Great things is not
Speaker 1: where you're raised their kids is how you raised them.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. And my son put out
Speaker 1: the most effortless work. I watched him every day, how
Speaker 1: he goes hard, hard, really hard. And just keep his
Speaker 1: name in your mind because he's going in for economics
Speaker 1: and government and.
Speaker 4: You know, we wish him the best.
Speaker 3: May God be with him always.
Speaker 4: That's son. The smartest people come from the Bronx. Tell Charlamagne,
Speaker 4: the smartest people come from the Bronx.
Speaker 1: The smartest people come from the Bronx. But we original
Speaker 1: in Jamaican.
Speaker 4: You know, Okay, now cut it out.
Speaker 3: I don't want them to pull the application right because
Speaker 3: you're acting like the fire a little too much.
Speaker 9: No no, no, no no no no, don't do that.
Speaker 4: Don't do that.
Speaker 12: Happy Holidays, get it off your chest. Eight hundred five
Speaker 12: eight five one oh five one. If you need to vent,
Speaker 12: hit us up now. It's the breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 7: The Breakfast Club. This is your time to get it
Speaker 7: off your chest. Eight hundred five eight five five one.
Speaker 7: We want to hear from you on the breakfast Club.
Speaker 6: Hello, who's this good morning?
Speaker 10: Should love me from the brook.
Speaker 4: I should have knew he was calling.
Speaker 6: Love.
Speaker 12: You got two brown skin women up here, and I
Speaker 12: know you were gonna call immediately.
Speaker 13: Yes, yes, I just want to say shout out to
Speaker 13: them because I don't like to see my queens go.
Speaker 4: At it so that browns go grand.
Speaker 6: I'm glad they grinded that out.
Speaker 8: I know Charlamagne tried to get him.
Speaker 4: To go at each other. Not true and love.
Speaker 12: He calls all the time, ladies because he has a
Speaker 12: thirteen and a half inch penis.
Speaker 4: You ain't even have to say that.
Speaker 14: Guy.
Speaker 4: Fact that you said that, it's silly because you don't
Speaker 4: have to.
Speaker 1: Say that, I know somebody number you start calling like thirteen.
Speaker 4: You ain't even have to say that, I have nothing
Speaker 4: to do with other. Just let him know.
Speaker 13: I'm glad you let him know.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, all right, I love you.
Speaker 3: You never go on, and then y'all be wondering why
Speaker 3: people be saying stuff about men all of God. Damn,
Speaker 3: that's how you present Hi, I'm love You have a
Speaker 3: thirteen inch penis. Here you go, Hey, this is my
Speaker 3: friend love you. He got a thirteen inch penis.
Speaker 4: I did not say love. He was my friend. He
Speaker 4: called introduced him.
Speaker 6: And he calls all the time.
Speaker 4: Yes, he calls. That's how thirteen and a half already,
Speaker 4: that's about it when he calls. So it's kind of
Speaker 4: like his brain here.
Speaker 6: Is his calling hard all right, figeral check it out?
Speaker 4: So she said it's true.
Speaker 6: So I don't know.
Speaker 12: You gotta ask how she check it out?
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, playing, this is.
Speaker 13: My name is.
Speaker 11: Thank you good. I'm upset with my job because we
Speaker 11: just got worried that they are closing down.
Speaker 4: Spotify.
Speaker 10: Damn, No, I.
Speaker 11: Worked in Westchester County. It's an RTC. I don't want
Speaker 11: to say, but it's it's the RTC, you know what
Speaker 11: that is?
Speaker 6: The residential treatment set us.
Speaker 11: So it's just like a bad time for like just overall,
Speaker 11: it's never a good time to get laid off. But
Speaker 11: it was no transparency, you know, with us, and they
Speaker 11: knew they were going down, but they just never you know,
Speaker 11: told us, and the more around.
Speaker 4: It's like, lo, yeah, I'm sorry, mama.
Speaker 11: Yeah, they just they're just a bunch of snakes over
Speaker 11: there and right.
Speaker 12: By the hot right during the holiday season too.
Speaker 4: That really is exactly sorry about that. So yeah, sorry
Speaker 4: to hear that, queen. That's awful.
Speaker 6: Yeah it is.
Speaker 11: But I'm looking to like going to some other things
Speaker 11: as far as like ducking the contract. I'm the definitely
Speaker 11: go hard on that.
Speaker 4: You want to put your cash out out there, just
Speaker 4: you know, just in case.
Speaker 14: I mean I can, but not of you know, mind
Speaker 14: now money, never mind, don't you worry about it?
Speaker 4: Don't you worry about it? Don't you worry about it?
Speaker 6: Okay, no no no.
Speaker 4: No, no no no no, I don't even worry about it.
Speaker 11: What's your petty self?
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, Go ahead, put it out there.
Speaker 10: Mama's dollar sign neb and easy A les l e
Speaker 10: Z twenty one.
Speaker 4: Now you're in west Chester, you're locks fan, oh big time?
Speaker 11: And Mary maybe underneath my window in the project.
Speaker 4: So you're going to the show. Hold you said, Neva
Speaker 4: lens n e v a l.
Speaker 11: E d Neva les So you're going, yeah me, put
Speaker 11: my name out there.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, popped up on your cash. I'm gonna send
Speaker 4: you a little just for lunch today. That's all all right,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 11: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: If you got it, you got it. I just sent
Speaker 4: it to you. Sounds sweet. And you said you was
Speaker 4: Mary J. Blige. Auntie. I gotta I gotta fit Mary
Speaker 4: set up under your window on the project. That's the Auntie.
Speaker 6: You know, you'll be Auntie the person next door.
Speaker 11: Thank you, guys, jumpy, half a good week and be blessed.
Speaker 6: All right, you have holiday.
Speaker 4: I'm sweet, Thank you. Get it off your chest.
Speaker 12: Eight hundred five eight five one o five on if
Speaker 12: you need to vent, hit us up now.
Speaker 4: It's the Breakfast Club Morning, the Breakfast Club. More than
Speaker 4: everybody's dj n V.
Speaker 12: Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
Speaker 12: a special yes in the buildinghold harm the legendary.
Speaker 4: I see he got his Morgan State. Really bro, really bro,
Speaker 4: you know, I just you know, want to put my helmet.
Speaker 15: Oh man, brother, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 4: How y'all doing? Explain this to me? I know that
Speaker 4: the Hampton Howard rivalry, but what's Morgan State.
Speaker 15: So every HBCU thinks it's the greatest HBCU that has
Speaker 15: ever been HBCU guys, correct, The only real one is
Speaker 15: Morgan State.
Speaker 4: But then the other ones still feel like they are
Speaker 4: a Morgan State.
Speaker 15: So you have that Howard Hampton thing on more House
Speaker 15: thinks it's Morgan State.
Speaker 4: You know, fam you thinks it's Morgan State.
Speaker 15: And know this, I love those institutions, great institutions who
Speaker 15: turn out incredible people.
Speaker 4: But then nines, watch your mouth. Yeah, Morgan State.
Speaker 12: I was gonna go to Morgan State because that's the
Speaker 12: first school that's on the tour.
Speaker 4: You know your argument. Let me tell you I was
Speaker 4: gonna go to Morgan.
Speaker 12: I was gonna go to you know, we go to
Speaker 12: Morgan Howard vs U Virginia and then Hampton Hampton, right,
Speaker 12: and I went to Morgan State. I remember it like
Speaker 12: it was yesterday. The first thing we go on that
Speaker 12: on the campus, well what you want to call it
Speaker 12: a campus?
Speaker 15: Oh no, you didn't just be cause y'all got that
Speaker 15: little river running behind y'all, little school.
Speaker 4: Little campus.
Speaker 12: And then you know what I seen on my dad scene,
Speaker 12: y'all playing craps on the steps. Now My dad was like,
Speaker 12: this is the same.
Speaker 4: Thing as Queens. Why are you gonna leave Queens to
Speaker 4: come to Baltimore. That's the school you want.
Speaker 15: To play craps on the steps, That's what men need
Speaker 15: to go to. So mine was the complete object.
Speaker 6: As soon as I seen.
Speaker 4: The crowd, like this is the place for me.
Speaker 15: This is definitely the place for me to get a degree.
Speaker 15: I was perfect made five years. Then five years served
Speaker 15: me well for five years in Baltimore. To do it
Speaker 15: for no, I ain't doing it for me if I
Speaker 15: didn't five, No, I did. I did my five and
Speaker 15: I was an r a man. I did everything you
Speaker 15: could do at school. I was the mascot want semester.
Speaker 15: I needed a gym credit. Okay, I needed a gym credit.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 4: They was like, you wanna go live weights or you
Speaker 4: wanna be the mask? I said, man, give me the
Speaker 4: bear outfits I was.
Speaker 15: I was the most DC bed he ate I had
Speaker 15: on my new Balance because it was a raggedy suit.
Speaker 4: Listen Charlamne, it was a raggedy suit.
Speaker 15: At the time, we didn't have the funding to get
Speaker 15: a new mascot out for At that time, mortgage State
Speaker 15: was going through something so they gave me the old
Speaker 15: one that they used to have, and the the head
Speaker 15: was perfect, the suit, the feet cottage.
Speaker 4: So I used to rock whatever.
Speaker 15: The bed would come out rocking fresh new bus, new
Speaker 15: butter tims, and everybody who was the bed.
Speaker 4: He fresh, whoever, the freshest man we ever had.
Speaker 3: Honestly, if you walk on the HBCU campus and rolling
Speaker 3: dice schedule, you might not need to go to ANHBC.
Speaker 4: Like, this is the same thing I seen in Queen's
Speaker 4: and I don't want my kid, you know, rolling craps.
Speaker 6: But that was so what it is.
Speaker 4: We wasn't rolling craft. That was a probability study.
Speaker 15: You wasn't your father, It wasn't your pops, wasn't here.
Speaker 15: That was just a probability study in the engineering the park.
Speaker 12: Now let's talk about what's going on here and Morgan
Speaker 12: right now Morgan State, you know there was a shooting
Speaker 12: there recently. You guys have canceled the homecoming and there
Speaker 12: was a lot going on. So have you reached back
Speaker 12: out to the school. How is everything happening now? Because
Speaker 12: I know you're big when it comes to giving back
Speaker 12: to that school.
Speaker 14: So I was.
Speaker 15: Supposed to actually host our homecoming gala, which is the
Speaker 15: biggest fundraiser of the year. I hosted Gaily years shirt
Speaker 15: you know, Tuxedo out, and that got postponed to December
Speaker 15: the eighth. The official homecoming got canceled, but Black people
Speaker 15: Homecoming went on as playing. Oh they were still party.
Speaker 15: They called it because the homecoming got canceled. Brunch because
Speaker 15: the homegum got canceled. Day party because the home So
Speaker 15: we you know, you have thousands of people who were
Speaker 15: looking forward to this weekend, so they came down and
Speaker 15: had a great time and showed solidarity.
Speaker 4: After the shooting. You had mothers.
Speaker 15: There was a group of mothers who got together who
Speaker 15: didn't have kids in school, who came up just to
Speaker 15: show support for kids who were far away from I'm home.
Speaker 4: Who needed a mom.
Speaker 15: If you need a hug, if you need to ask
Speaker 15: a mom question real quick, we're standing right here. And
Speaker 15: so while the tragedy happened, and you know, our prayers
Speaker 15: are with those students and their families and everybody affected,
Speaker 15: there's also this gigantic push of solidarity, this gigantic push
Speaker 15: of unity. This is a new Morgan State, and we're
Speaker 15: gonna stand together to shake off some of the old
Speaker 15: reputation and move in a new positive way. When things
Speaker 15: like this pop up, it throws a monkey rich into
Speaker 15: the we're a new Morgan thing. So we came out
Speaker 15: even stronger.
Speaker 4: That's why I've been I've been orange and blue since
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 15: You know, my kids are walking around with the hats
Speaker 15: and everything else, and I'm screaming it out as much
Speaker 15: as I possibly can these institutions. You know, I don't
Speaker 15: have to come on here and preach to you what
Speaker 15: an HB means for our community. So you know, at
Speaker 15: this time in my life, I'm happy to be able
Speaker 15: to be there for my school. Whatever they need. They
Speaker 15: call me for anything, if the you just need anything.
Speaker 15: My five brothers need anything, they hit me up and like,
Speaker 15: let's go do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 4: Do you think they should have canceled on coming.
Speaker 15: I think it was a good call by doctor Wilson
Speaker 15: is an incredible leader for that school. And let's imagine
Speaker 15: if he didn't cancel this. Black Mama ain't canceling. It's
Speaker 15: a tragedy. So he did the smart thing. He did
Speaker 15: the thing that someone in academia should do. Let's cancel this.
Speaker 15: Everybody else, though, we went and partied and everybody had
Speaker 15: a great.
Speaker 4: Times, all the events around homecomings.
Speaker 6: Yeah, none of that. You ain't.
Speaker 4: You ain't canceling rare essence.
Speaker 15: You ain't canceling the go go because you know, you're
Speaker 15: not even supposed to have a go go in Baltimore
Speaker 15: in the first place. So the fact that you got
Speaker 15: a go go in Baltimore or we coming and you're
Speaker 15: not canceling that you can't have go go in Baltimore.
Speaker 15: It's too old Baltimore.
Speaker 4: Most of the country doesn't really doesn't know that.
Speaker 15: There is a unspoken rivalry between the African American community
Speaker 15: and Baltimore and the African American community in DC.
Speaker 4: They got their own language, and so we have two.
Speaker 15: We grew up with two different like you said, culches,
Speaker 15: different accents, music, food, we did, way we dress and
Speaker 15: the and the like. So when I got to Baltimore,
Speaker 15: there was no go go, but soever you did not
Speaker 15: don't even don't even bring that up in Baltimore now
Speaker 15: because of I think because of the twenty thirty years
Speaker 15: that DC has been heavy going to Morgan State making
Speaker 15: alliances in the city. My wife is from the West Side. First,
Speaker 15: let me say that my wife is from the West
Speaker 15: side of Baltimore, and when I married a Baltimore woman,
Speaker 15: the DC women like.
Speaker 17: Hold on ah ha jaa, No, you haven't had some
Speaker 17: of that that old baita she served. She's got a
Speaker 17: crab boy for your ass that you you don't know
Speaker 17: nothing about.
Speaker 15: And so I think that there's there's this slowly but
Speaker 15: surely there's there's an alliance that has been coming between
Speaker 15: Baltimore and DC, and the hard line has been softened.
Speaker 15: I won't say this is an alliance, but the hard
Speaker 15: line has been softened. But you never hear about this
Speaker 15: rivalry that we have that goes on. I think it's
Speaker 15: the stupidest thing ever. I think that the two communities,
Speaker 15: African American communities in those major cities. D C's a
Speaker 15: major city, Baltimore's a major city.
Speaker 6: I think we need to come. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that brings you all together? I would
Speaker 3: think like comedy, right, because I think your comedy underrated.
Speaker 3: Comedy is an underrated comedy scene in Baltimore, DC because
Speaker 3: you got Dave, you got Donall so here just hilarious.
Speaker 15: So here's how we feel about that. The same applies.
Speaker 15: So it's like this growing up. Anything coming out of Baltimore,
Speaker 15: you just automatically X. And if you in Baltimore, anything
Speaker 15: coming out of DC, you just automatically X. Nadi, you
Speaker 15: don't know them. I learned that from my.
Speaker 4: Baltimore goons. What's up with y'all? I ain't saying no names,
Speaker 4: what's up with y'all? But I know some straight goods.
Speaker 4: And you know Baltimore, you know the why it was real.
Speaker 15: Let's let's let's keep let's keep it the buck, the
Speaker 15: wire was real, and the climate in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: It's serious. It's very very serious.
Speaker 15: So it's gonna take thirty forty years for that alliance
Speaker 15: to pop off. We're talking about black folks who are
Speaker 15: setting their ways. Black folks are very very slow to change,
Speaker 15: and unless you have a reason to change, a very
Speaker 15: straightforward reason to change, it ain't gonna be that much change.
Speaker 4: When we come back with Kicking It with Joe Claire,
Speaker 4: So don't move. It's the Breakfast Club, Good Morning, the
Speaker 4: Breakfast Club porting everybody.
Speaker 12: It's DJ n V, Charlamagne the guy. We are the
Speaker 12: Breakfast Club. But kicking it with Joe Claire, of course
Speaker 12: from Rap City.
Speaker 4: Charlomagne.
Speaker 3: Another thing too. I was watching the doc. Man, I've
Speaker 3: always loved the interview you did with Big. That's that's
Speaker 3: the iconic INTERVIGI, And I knew that was Big.
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I knew that was big last interview. It
Speaker 4: was his last television interview. I think, I think I
Speaker 4: think sway might have been his last. He was going,
Speaker 4: he went and did the radio. Now, did y'all shoot
Speaker 4: that in La? Shot it in La? That's what we
Speaker 4: was laying like in the park, right, So we really
Speaker 4: were on a sound.
Speaker 15: Stage and they were shooting the hypnotized video. The dance
Speaker 15: scenes were going on in there. So they took a
Speaker 15: break from that sat us outside and that's how that
Speaker 15: interview popped off.
Speaker 3: Always wondered, were you concerned for your safety shooting at
Speaker 3: in La at the time, because it was all the
Speaker 3: East coast, West coast beef and all of that.
Speaker 15: I'm concerned for my safety every day, so my head
Speaker 15: is always on a swivel. So I didn't feel any
Speaker 15: more concern than I normally feel when I go to LA.
Speaker 15: I just know, like doing Rap City, the thing that
Speaker 15: I knew was when you go to somebody hood, when
Speaker 15: you go to a city, you abide by they rules.
Speaker 15: You shut your mouth, don't start no shit, won't be
Speaker 15: no tea. So Nah, I didn't have any extra concerns
Speaker 15: for my safety that day. We had plenty of security.
Speaker 15: ANIMI civilian y.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Then I sit and I do the interview.
Speaker 15: It's a great day season Junior Mafia right behind us,
Speaker 15: the dancing girls over there.
Speaker 6: Of course.
Speaker 4: Then he said, you want to smoke something to day
Speaker 4: just got better.
Speaker 15: I'm not a smoker, but if you're gonna smoke with somebody,
Speaker 15: you're gonna smoke with Biggie Smoke. So I had to
Speaker 15: catch a red eye that night because I was going
Speaker 15: out on the Deaf Comedy Jam tour. This was the
Speaker 15: first night, so I had to fly home Wednesday. After
Speaker 15: getting the interview, pack my bags, get on the tour
Speaker 15: buses coming from Kid and pre Little Jersey coming down
Speaker 15: to DC, pick me up and then we drive to Dallas.
Speaker 15: We do the show in Dallas. The next night we
Speaker 15: go to Houston. Do the show in Houston.
Speaker 4: Had a ball and three thirty four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 4: Kid called my.
Speaker 15: Phone, like yo, they say, Biggie guys shot you know
Speaker 15: it's four o'clock in the Morning've been out drinking, like whatever,
Speaker 15: you know, it's just some more hip hop here say book.
Speaker 6: Then my girlfriend at the time called me.
Speaker 4: She was like, they say, Biggie guys shot. Let me
Speaker 4: turn on headline news. Y'all remember headline News.
Speaker 15: Then every half hour, first story rapper Christopher Wallace has
Speaker 15: gunned down.
Speaker 4: At this point, the interview wasn't out. Interview's not out.
Speaker 15: I just was this is Sunday morning. I just dead Wednesday.
Speaker 15: This is Sunday morning at six in the morning. So nah,
Speaker 15: no interview out. They ain't get time to try. They
Speaker 15: still in la party and just those next couple of weeks,
Speaker 15: when I got to reflect on it, I realized I
Speaker 15: was just numb because Tupac had just died and now
Speaker 15: Biggie got killed.
Speaker 4: I was like, we cannot be that dumb?
Speaker 3: Are we?
Speaker 4: Black folks were really not that stupid?
Speaker 10: Are we?
Speaker 4: Is this who we are? Time has shown that. Unfortunately
Speaker 4: It's sad.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 4: It was one of those times Charlemagne and Envy where
Speaker 4: I really just I'm very us.
Speaker 15: I was like, man, I man a lot of that,
Speaker 15: so a lot of the like hanging out and I
Speaker 15: just did not want to do like because I don't
Speaker 15: know what you on. And then and I watched cats,
Speaker 15: I knew some of the most righteous dudes. Next thing
Speaker 15: I know, he he come with the chain and he
Speaker 15: gotta get his swag together.
Speaker 4: You you, you've been made since you was nineteen years
Speaker 4: and ten years old. You've been made. You've been a man.
Speaker 4: I know your family, I know what you staying on.
Speaker 4: You switching up because you think this is what the
Speaker 4: coach a dog man my head up and has colored
Speaker 4: how I see us. Since then, nothing has changed your
Speaker 4: mind about it.
Speaker 15: I mean remember, leading up to that, I sat in
Speaker 15: the middle of the East Coast West Coast thing every week,
Speaker 15: every day, every rapper's got something to say about the
Speaker 15: other coast.
Speaker 4: Is that what made you start saying the East Coast
Speaker 4: West Coast worldwide? I took it straight from the Lost Boys.
Speaker 15: Yes, we really need to we really need to do
Speaker 15: this big shout out to Mac ten and Fat Joe
Speaker 15: because I don't know if you guys remember they did
Speaker 15: a movie Thinking and Water Up something like that. And
Speaker 15: then and Fat Joe realized and Fat Joe used to
Speaker 15: be coming up to this show like man that I'm
Speaker 15: keeping a flame going on this East.
Speaker 4: Coast West Coast. After that, I see Joe and he's like, naw,
Speaker 4: they cool.
Speaker 15: And then you used to see mac ten and Mactin
Speaker 15: like nah they cool, They're super cool. And then you
Speaker 15: found out it really wasn't the East Coast versus. It
Speaker 15: was the media making in and it was Park against
Speaker 15: Biggie and they used to be best friends, and now
Speaker 15: we're looking at really just came down. The two best
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Speaker 4: Control.
Speaker 3: You know, we have conversations on the Breakfast Club that
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Speaker 8: Y'all?
Speaker 4: The only person who ever like tried to sum me?
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Speaker 15: It was my first live taping and I'm interview on
Speaker 15: Pete Rock and cl Smooth, my heroes.
Speaker 4: My I know they album back to, backward and forward.
Speaker 4: I know everything. I know every syllable of that album.
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Speaker 15: I'm like, hey, it's Rap City, Joe play Hea blah
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Speaker 15: what's up with you, and then I don't get nothing
Speaker 15: from cl He's pretty so then the cameras cut off.
Speaker 4: He's like, Yo, son, you mad extra. I said, what
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Speaker 4: Five four three two. All right, challie man, Joe clar
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Speaker 15: I took it as a vet somebody who was in
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Speaker 4: it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Your
Speaker 4: mornings will never be the same morning.
Speaker 12: Everybody's DJ n V Charlamagne the guy we are the
Speaker 12: Breakfast Club. He got our special guest co host Cappuccino here,
Speaker 12: of course from Power ninety nine out in Philly. So
Speaker 12: we're asking eight hundred and five eight five, one oh
Speaker 12: five to one. Dingo is a gentleman that calls all
Speaker 12: the time on the Breakfast Club during Get It Off
Speaker 12: Your Chest. And he called this morning about his weekend
Speaker 12: and this is what he said.
Speaker 10: I unsplew this girl out this past week here it
Speaker 10: was white I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 6: It was whack.
Speaker 10: Shout out to Kendrick G. I was all hers show
Speaker 10: a couple of weeks back there. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 10: put up my little my little spiel pass some shorties
Speaker 10: hit me up. It was cool on one that you know,
Speaker 10: I decided to fire her out, just having some good
Speaker 10: conversation because she was from Atlanta, right, So I got
Speaker 10: her out.
Speaker 4: We was chilling.
Speaker 10: We was talking. I pay for everything right, take care
Speaker 10: of her, take care of the arrangements, took caret a hotel.
Speaker 4: Took care ofthing we did.
Speaker 10: But she wasn't really giving me the vibes that it
Speaker 10: was trying to be romantic. It seemed like she was
Speaker 10: just looking for a trick.
Speaker 4: Tyler, No, no, no, no.
Speaker 8: We talked.
Speaker 10: We talked for like a good two weeks or so,
Speaker 10: probably to her coming out right, and we could up
Speaker 10: a startled there like hey, like you know, you don't
Speaker 10: you don't want to do nothing like that. That's cool.
Speaker 10: You just got to let me know before I spend
Speaker 10: all this money you're making, all this arrangements that you
Speaker 10: see me, I feel like that's it because you're coming out,
Speaker 10: you're flying out and I'm taking care of everything. And
Speaker 10: I told you that, right, and you get here and
Speaker 10: you're like, oh, I ain't. I ain't trying to be
Speaker 10: on that, which is cool. I get that. That's fine.
Speaker 8: But called me up.
Speaker 12: So we're asking eight hundred five eight five one oh
Speaker 12: five one, ladies, what makes you not want to hook
Speaker 12: up with a guy?
Speaker 4: All right? He said? He you know, I guess they
Speaker 4: had a discussion. He thought it was gonna get cheeks.
Speaker 4: He thought the vibe was there and he got nothing.
Speaker 4: He was upset about it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's a very important question to ask, because
Speaker 3: we never asked that when we had these uh, you know,
Speaker 3: conversations about women flying out. Because a woman gets on
Speaker 3: a plane, clearly she wants to go. She gets there,
Speaker 3: clearly she wants to be there. But something happens once
Speaker 3: they meet the individual that turns them off.
Speaker 4: I just wonder what it could be.
Speaker 12: I'll be honest, did you ask the woman in the room, No, lady,
Speaker 12: I'm not speaking for lady, but I will say this.
Speaker 12: I don't think and shot the Dingo he calls all
Speaker 12: the time. I don't think Dingo had a real conversation
Speaker 12: about the vibe, because how can you have that conversation Kelly.
Speaker 3: Flew you out? Did y'all have a conversation before him?
Speaker 3: When all Kelly flew you out and left you sitting
Speaker 3: in the hotel room? Did y'all have a conversation before hid?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: We were doing a mixtape. Okay, yeah, we were doing
Speaker 12: a mixtape. I wasn't expecting nothing, neither was he. Everything
Speaker 12: mixtape was understood. But I'm saying, like, how do you
Speaker 12: have that conversation? Hey, I'm gonna fly you out. I'm
Speaker 12: ana smash, like, you can't have that conversation. That's why
Speaker 12: I know they didn't have that conversation.
Speaker 4: I mean you can't these days.
Speaker 18: You know, everyone's bowling up front about stuff, So that
Speaker 18: conversation's probably had.
Speaker 4: But as Charlemagne said, you know when you get there
Speaker 4: in person, things change, or what change your mind? Cappuccino.
Speaker 4: If I'm down, you're not married?
Speaker 18: If you're married, right, yeah, If I'm down with Smashing, cool,
Speaker 18: But you know, if you drop your pants and something
Speaker 18: just ain't.
Speaker 4: Right, you know, it's like, oh, you mean too small that?
Speaker 18: Or maybe if I see some stains going on, it's like, oh,
Speaker 18: you know, the the the self care ain't there.
Speaker 12: You know, that could be one thing, So maybe a
Speaker 12: small dingo or some doodles things or something.
Speaker 3: I would think the guy might be too thirsty too,
Speaker 3: because even if you know that you and the young
Speaker 3: lady's supposed to get it in, you don't got to
Speaker 3: act like that the whole time.
Speaker 18: I think she'll know from jump when he says I'm
Speaker 18: gonna fly you out and we're gonna do all this,
Speaker 18: that alone tells me you're a bit thirsty because you
Speaker 18: don't even know me. We only been talking for two
Speaker 18: weeks and you're gonna fly me out and everything. It's
Speaker 18: no holds bart type situation. Hey, that's a little thirsty.
Speaker 18: It's a little thirsty.
Speaker 4: Let's go to the phone lines. Hello, who's this? Hello?
Speaker 16: Hid Shade from Columbia, South Carolina.
Speaker 4: What's happening? Talk to a shade?
Speaker 9: What's going on?
Speaker 14: Is?
Speaker 16: My thought is is that you know, she could have
Speaker 16: just not felt the vibe a lot of times the
Speaker 16: way we date now, everybody talk and check so much,
Speaker 16: and you're able to manipulate your personality that when you
Speaker 16: get in front of each other, nobody has nothing to say.
Speaker 16: And he could have been arguing and she could have
Speaker 16: been like I was. But nah, it's no different than when.
Speaker 9: We dated in the nineties.
Speaker 16: Once you start interacting with each other, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 16: this is not what I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 4: It was you ever got flown out?
Speaker 16: I have and I've had that happen before too.
Speaker 4: From Columbia.
Speaker 12: No, no, okay, okay, And and what happened. He didn't
Speaker 12: look the way he was supposed to look.
Speaker 16: It's not about look, it's a personality. It's like you
Speaker 16: talked so much during that timeframe that when you get
Speaker 16: in front of each other, you don't have nothing to
Speaker 16: really ask.
Speaker 9: There's nothing to engage each other in.
Speaker 4: So, Shae, how does that work?
Speaker 12: He flies you from South Carolina in the Vegas So
Speaker 12: y'all staying in the same moom and you dumb false.
Speaker 4: It's not like you could turn around right then and there.
Speaker 6: So what do you do?
Speaker 11: I thought in the trooth?
Speaker 4: Oh, so y'all slept in the same being. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that was it.
Speaker 8: That was it.
Speaker 4: He ain't try to rub up or hump on your.
Speaker 16: Nothing, right, of course they tried, But I mean it's
Speaker 16: time my fault. You killed the moon.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's right.
Speaker 9: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Thank you. We got CC on the line, c C.
Speaker 4: Good morning, one wing, how y'all one, But so, c C,
Speaker 4: what's your thoughts, Mama?
Speaker 9: I feel like this it's multiple things.
Speaker 16: But they said they were talking for two weeks, so
Speaker 16: it maybe she got there and his bibles off or different.
Speaker 5: Maybe you know, people are different and hurt.
Speaker 16: I saw some women just like to be promistic, and
Speaker 16: he must have.
Speaker 4: Knew that what she.
Speaker 3: Women don't want to feel like something is just transactional.
Speaker 3: You paid for a flight, you paid for some food,
Speaker 3: you paid for.
Speaker 4: Me for a room. Now I'm just supposed to give
Speaker 4: you something like maybe she don't want to feel like that. Process.
Speaker 4: You don't want feel like process. That's right. We got
Speaker 4: we got a brother on a lot, Eddie. Yeah, what's
Speaker 4: going on and he's looking at this different eddie. What's
Speaker 4: your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Man, So I know for a fact, man, chicks just
Speaker 8: be using dudes. Man then lie to you whatever, you know,
Speaker 8: just to get flown out for the food or whatever.
Speaker 8: I mean where I'm from, girl through that all the time.
Speaker 8: My cousin sisters whatever, they'll they'll go chill with a dude,
Speaker 8: go out because they know they gonna get them drunk
Speaker 8: and eat and then you know they gone on their way.
Speaker 4: So does that does that not make the guy a
Speaker 4: suck of that? If you know?
Speaker 8: Because at the end of the day, if you really play,
Speaker 8: you you still get her. I mean that's what you're
Speaker 8: there for, you doing and meet and greet her. If
Speaker 8: you get her and you really play it, I mean
Speaker 8: you should be a turner.
Speaker 3: I just understand what get her to come mence with
Speaker 3: you just meeting greet on the first trip, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and have her wanting to come back,
Speaker 3: you know, and then maybe on the second or third
Speaker 3: time y'all.
Speaker 4: You know, y'all might get it in. Like why you
Speaker 4: got to force it on the first trip.
Speaker 8: I like that kis right, And sometimes it'd be like that.
Speaker 8: As long as you have a good time you go
Speaker 8: out to eat, y'all lave have some giggles. I mean,
Speaker 8: what's wrong with that? Next time, y'all can do that through.
Speaker 8: If not, wait till the next time. I mean, hey,
Speaker 8: all right, sometimes you gotta wait for that cake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the real thing to do. And don't ask me
Speaker 4: because I'm a retire player, so I don't know anything
Speaker 4: about this. But you fly her out.
Speaker 3: Y'all have a good time, y'all kick it, love, you know, love,
Speaker 3: eat all that good stuff. Maybe the next time y'all
Speaker 3: had such a good time, you be like, y'all want
Speaker 3: to come see you. Now you fly out to her.
Speaker 4: Okay, but what I mean is he expected expecting her
Speaker 4: to pay for that flight.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fly on my own dime, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Just because I had such a good time
Speaker 3: with you the first time. I guarantee you you play
Speaker 3: it like that, you fly to see her, You're probably
Speaker 3: gonna get what you was looking for the first time.
Speaker 4: Kids. Now, yay, good.
Speaker 9: Morning, kids, now, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 12: Now we're asking eight hundred and five eighty five one
Speaker 12: oh five one. Ladies, what makes you not want to
Speaker 12: give a guy something or or not want a vibe
Speaker 12: off guy?
Speaker 9: Talk to us honestly, if they was talking from the
Speaker 9: floor and they already lined it up, that mother took
Speaker 9: herself out the drawers.
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 9: Sometimes men talk themself out the drawing. They talk too much,
Speaker 9: talking too fast, okay, And the might of his boys
Speaker 9: was wide.
Speaker 4: I feel like you definitely the bron Okay. I can
Speaker 4: hear it in your throat. She said, Brooklyn.
Speaker 10: I'm a Brooklyn girl.
Speaker 9: But to be honest, then really talk theyself out the drawers.
Speaker 9: Sometimes you'll be like, yeah, when I get over there,
Speaker 9: it's gonna be orange.
Speaker 4: Get there.
Speaker 9: He's like just clown. Like my mother says, every man
Speaker 9: you sleep with is your potential baby for the You
Speaker 9: probably didn't want to waste o coolchie on him.
Speaker 4: No, but what she's saying is real. And I was walking, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I wish guys I was guys like that, and women.
Speaker 9: Thought, like every man you sleep with is your potential
Speaker 9: baby for the girl. That would have been eighteen years
Speaker 9: of battle. Luck you say, leave that. It's not that silly.
Speaker 9: Five minutes for eighteen years of.
Speaker 6: Stuff for a That's right.
Speaker 3: As the fire con said, the way that people treat
Speaker 3: the science of breeding is like you rolling dice in
Speaker 3: the back of a moving pickup.
Speaker 4: True, Bobby's mad. This is the last called Bobby. You mad? Hi,
Speaker 4: Bobby No.
Speaker 5: I just think people's expectations be kind of crazy. Only
Speaker 5: knowing somebody after two weeks and flying out and expecting
Speaker 5: them to pay for everything, but you're not returning the favor.
Speaker 5: It's kind of crazy to me. Clearly, y'all are not serious.
Speaker 9: Che Yes, I would have gave.
Speaker 3: Him some seed just because you slew you out and
Speaker 3: paid for some food. Just because he flew you out
Speaker 3: and paid you paid for some food.
Speaker 4: She's from the.
Speaker 9: Bronx, I mean, the fool if he took her shopping
Speaker 9: or whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: My thing is, though, if you're allowing a man to
Speaker 5: pay for your plane ticket, for your the residency, for
Speaker 5: your food, from clothes, and all of that for getting
Speaker 5: in return, Like, how do you not to expect something
Speaker 5: and rehearch?
Speaker 18: It might be my conversation, he's getting my company, Bobby's
Speaker 18: giving the cheeks.
Speaker 5: Okay, But if the conversation was had prior that he's
Speaker 5: not flying you out just for some company, then you know,
Speaker 5: then there's a problem.
Speaker 3: I respected, I respect it. I just don't think a
Speaker 3: man should have you know, that expectation And why do
Speaker 3: all that? I'll just get you a prostitute from the city,
Speaker 3: Like why are you flying in stuffdy?
Speaker 9: Maybe she flying?
Speaker 5: Maybe he can't find somebody that's fly in, so got
Speaker 5: to fly me.
Speaker 6: Where are you from, Bobby, I'm from Cali?
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, Bobby, we're gonna hook you up with didn't go,
Speaker 12: He's gonna fly you out all.
Speaker 4: Bobby Jesus. It was just actually mad because of how
Speaker 4: much money he spent. He didn't set a limit for himself.
Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, that's why
Speaker 4: he's upset. He said.
Speaker 3: He felt like a g He said, over g what's
Speaker 3: the mother of the story? I just don't think you
Speaker 3: should expect nothing from nobody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think even if you fly that person out, you
Speaker 3: should just fly that person out with the expect that
Speaker 3: y'all gonna have a good time whatever that good time entails.
Speaker 3: God bless, but just have a good time. Don't have
Speaker 3: no expectation of what you think that good time is
Speaker 3: going to because that good time might not be what
Speaker 3: you want it to be.
Speaker 4: And that's ending with some cheeks because she may have
Speaker 4: had a good time. That's right, he just didn't. Damn
Speaker 4: all right. It's the Breakfast Club on BT, the Breakfast
Speaker 4: Club wanting everybody.
Speaker 12: It's DJ MV Charlamagne to God. We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: We got some special guests in the buildings. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 4: some legends, some icons. Of course, we got the roots,
Speaker 4: black thought and quest Love Welcome everybody is black from
Speaker 4: the roots. They've been up here before.
Speaker 12: And we got another icon that's never been up here before,
Speaker 12: the legendary icon LLL cool J.
Speaker 4: Welcome Queen. It's first time, first time LL stand for
Speaker 4: a living legend. At this point, I appreciate that absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 12: So let's first start with you know, why you guys
Speaker 12: are here together, because people are like, well, why is
Speaker 12: ll and the Roots together?
Speaker 4: So you guys are going on the road on the tour. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So how did this saw it come about? Whose version?
Speaker 2: Well, I may really ensure and ensure you know, the
Speaker 2: Planet Center stars sort of aligned themselves and made it
Speaker 2: possible for us to work together on this huge segment
Speaker 2: that we did for the Grammys this year. And I
Speaker 2: think you know from that the idea of us always
Speaker 2: haven't wanted to, you know, work together in some way,
Speaker 2: just you know, it opened the collaborative path and it
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, why don't we try to take this
Speaker 2: show on the road.
Speaker 4: It was huge. What we did just in that one
Speaker 4: fifteen minute segment was so huge for the culture.
Speaker 2: And you know, this being hip hop's fiftieth anniversary and
Speaker 2: you know, that whole that that whole deal. It made
Speaker 2: sense to try and you know, do something celebratory in
Speaker 2: that way. You know, from region to region.
Speaker 12: Now, ladies love cool James, what got you into hip
Speaker 12: hop and said, you know what I want to be
Speaker 12: emc Where where did the love come from? As a
Speaker 12: kid from Queens and say this is what I want
Speaker 12: to do.
Speaker 19: You know, when those first wave of tapes came aroun
Speaker 19: like you know Cole Crush Brothers and Fantastic Romantic Five
Speaker 19: and Foursome Seeds and Treacherous Three, you know, Grand Master,
Speaker 19: Furious Five and all of those groups, when they were
Speaker 19: just tapes running around, you know, Haarlem World tapes, and
Speaker 19: then the songs came later.
Speaker 4: That was the first time that I heard young black
Speaker 4: kids sounding powered.
Speaker 19: It was the first time that I heard or could
Speaker 19: envision us doing something great because before that, all the
Speaker 19: images I had seen were us like handcuffed beet putting
Speaker 19: a police car or some sort of charge or you know.
Speaker 19: So that empowering feeling, you know, the braggadocio thing that
Speaker 19: you know that we really focused on came not from
Speaker 19: a place of looking down on high on people, but
Speaker 19: more about I could be somebody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 19: The world looks at me and like I'm invisible. My
Speaker 19: friends up the block get killed and nobody says anything.
Speaker 19: So when I'm bragging and I'm boasting, what I'm really
Speaker 19: doing is saying, hey, look at me, I exist, you
Speaker 19: know what I'm saying. So for me, that was a
Speaker 19: real special thing and a spectaclic thing. And I'm eight,
Speaker 19: I'm nine years old. I'm ten years old, and I'm
Speaker 19: being introduced to this thing and I just completely fell
Speaker 19: in love with it. And then you know, eight nine,
Speaker 19: I'm a fan of the wrap. My grandfather broughts me
Speaker 19: some equipment. At eleven, I'm DJing. I'm messing around with that,
Speaker 19: but I'm still rhyming, and I'm going back and forth.
Speaker 19: And then you know, eventually one thing led to another
Speaker 19: and here we are death Jam and the whole whole nine.
Speaker 3: Do you consider yourself a founding father of hip hop?
Speaker 3: You know, people always gonna say, you know, cool her.
Speaker 3: You know, grandma has to flash people like that. But
Speaker 3: as far as hip hop as we know now, I
Speaker 3: would say you and run DMC.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 19: So so I'm you know, I'm definitely generation one point five.
Speaker 19: You know what I'm saying. You got to give Flash
Speaker 19: and HERK and Force and all them grab what's the
Speaker 19: theodore They're do. The thing that myself from Run DMC did.
Speaker 19: What we did is we took it to the world.
Speaker 19: We took it global, you know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 19: took it from the city and took it around the world,
Speaker 19: you know what I'm saying. And that was the difference.
Speaker 19: So they they brought it, they took it from from
Speaker 19: the Bronx and Harlem out to the Five Boroughs and
Speaker 19: you around the world somewhat, they didn't penetrate the market
Speaker 19: quite as deeply. Then we took it and made it global.
Speaker 2: And I think I think from from a Philadelphia standpoint too,
Speaker 2: you know, just from the outside looking then with that
Speaker 2: one point five generation with you and all this like
Speaker 2: Running d that was our first time.
Speaker 4: Sort of seeing our own reflection exactly.
Speaker 2: It was like you know, like again, I was a
Speaker 2: huge fan of all the other founding fathers, but they
Speaker 2: didn't look like people from around my way, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And when I saw a run jam
Speaker 2: Master j L, they looked like the corner boys, like
Speaker 2: that was outside and I saw myself in that.
Speaker 4: So you know that that's where a lot of the
Speaker 4: inspiration for me to do what I do came from.
Speaker 4: Not to mention you know Ella.
Speaker 14: You know l was very modest, but LLE literally invented
Speaker 14: what I call post miner and hip hop, like the
Speaker 14: three minute rap song sixteen bar like before L even
Speaker 14: run DMC's first out, Like it's like that's like eight minutes,
Speaker 14: like seven verses, you know what I mean. Like LLL
Speaker 14: literally invented the sixteen you know, maybe the twenty fourth
Speaker 14: the course you know what I mean, Like, oh the
Speaker 14: song that's courses on it. So I love rap, Yeah,
Speaker 14: like literally emotions on right. Like he's he's pioneered for
Speaker 14: like so many things that he never gets credit for.
Speaker 14: He was like the first teen idol, the first Like
Speaker 14: there's so many first with him that you just you
Speaker 14: take it for granted. So I was gonna ask when
Speaker 14: you you talked about deaf Jam, So let's talk about that.
Speaker 14: When they when they came to you with a contract
Speaker 14: to sign. Do you remember what your first contract looked
Speaker 14: like and how much they gave you. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 14: mean talk about that. You know, you got to remember
Speaker 14: that deaf Jam was a production company.
Speaker 19: There was no label, Okay, It's Yours by Tila Rock
Speaker 19: was on Party Time street Wise label. It was Deaf
Speaker 19: Cham Productions, which was Rick was the producer along with
Speaker 19: Jazzy Jay, and it was more than a contract.
Speaker 4: They were actually forming a label.
Speaker 19: Rick was having a problem, you know him, and he
Speaker 19: was having problems getting his money from from the other
Speaker 19: label he was with, so they wanted to start this
Speaker 19: new thing. So you know that first contract at the
Speaker 19: time we split the publishing, they gave me like fifty thousand.
Speaker 19: But before that, actually, my first single I ever made,
Speaker 19: I didn't have a contract. When I made I Need
Speaker 19: a Beat, which was the very first song I ever made,
Speaker 19: I had no contract. It was just like, yo, let's
Speaker 19: just get it and we'll figure it out. You know
Speaker 19: what I'm saying. Sometimes you gotta be willing to crawl
Speaker 19: over the barbed wide fence with no shirt on, you
Speaker 19: know what I'm saying, to get what you want.
Speaker 6: With no shirt on.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, By the end of this,
Speaker 4: I might have one hundreds I'm already. That was what
Speaker 4: it was. And you know how old were you at
Speaker 4: this point? Sixteen? I was sixteen when I mean yeah,
Speaker 4: when we started Death jam I was sixteen. Did you
Speaker 4: ever feel like you should have had like equity and depth?
Speaker 14: Jam?
Speaker 19: I did have equity in death Jam. I did have
Speaker 19: equity and death Jam. I just sold it a little early.
Speaker 19: But I definitely had ownership in death jam ownership in Fuoble.
Speaker 19: I have ownership and yea I asked Los Angeles ownership
Speaker 19: and damn lip sync battle, I have you know, I
Speaker 19: own my catalog.
Speaker 4: So the things that I do, you know, I did well,
Speaker 4: But I didn't do it for the money. And where
Speaker 4: did you get the business mind from? Was was it
Speaker 4: your mom's? Was it you know, an uncle?
Speaker 14: Like?
Speaker 4: Where did you get that? Because I don't think a
Speaker 4: lot of people were thinking ownership back then. They were
Speaker 4: just thinking I need to blow up.
Speaker 8: You know what?
Speaker 4: You know what I've learned? Man? You know, like and
Speaker 4: people may have heard me say this before.
Speaker 19: You know, if a homeless man tell you not to
Speaker 19: do push ups some traffic, you should listen because you
Speaker 19: might get ran over.
Speaker 4: A lot of times people are like yo, another one yo.
Speaker 4: A lot of people are like yo, you homeless? What
Speaker 4: do you know?
Speaker 19: Like all right brown today in the news. Right, So
Speaker 19: the business thing I learned from people before me and
Speaker 19: after me. Now what the Monica ladies love cool j?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 12: Did you always feel like these dudes are gonna think
Speaker 12: I'm sweet? So I'm gonna I have to have these
Speaker 12: these rhyms in the corner just in case.
Speaker 4: The ladies love.
Speaker 19: Cool Jay thing was just wishful thinking. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 19: I'm fifteen on one girls ladies love cool Jack?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: It was really manifest.
Speaker 4: Not being true. It didn't have to be that like
Speaker 4: people took that a little. It just kind of worked out.
Speaker 4: I have ill cool Jack.
Speaker 6: I hope you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But you never rebelled against the sex symbol image. I
Speaker 4: saw no like it. I mean, look, I made I
Speaker 4: need love because I like girls.
Speaker 14: I made like rock the Bells because I like the
Speaker 14: do the hard for me growing up, I like girls, right,
Speaker 14: So putting I need love out me doing love songs
Speaker 14: is the equivalent of me walking into projects with a
Speaker 14: next full of jury.
Speaker 19: It's the same thing. The strength isn't doing what you
Speaker 19: want to do artistically. That's the way the strength is.
Speaker 19: I do what I want to do artistically. I don't
Speaker 19: do what they say I should do, because then I'm
Speaker 19: not being me. I'm fronting I'm being somebody else, right,
Speaker 19: So I think that you know, and I just say
Speaker 19: just a lot of young men in general, never limit
Speaker 19: yourself to the perception of what other people think you
Speaker 19: should be.
Speaker 4: Don't limit your to that be yourself, right. We got
Speaker 4: more with L cool J in the Roots when we
Speaker 4: come back, don't move.
Speaker 12: It's the Breakfast Club the Morning Morning everybody is DJ
Speaker 12: Envy Charlamagne, the god we are the Breakfast Club is
Speaker 12: still kicking it with LL cool J in the Roots,
Speaker 12: does that have a baldy with both of y'all that
Speaker 12: you know, yell are so legendary and hip hop, but
Speaker 12: people might not look at.
Speaker 4: You as a rapper. They might just look at you
Speaker 4: as an actor, or people might not look at.
Speaker 12: Y'all as the Roots as in a group, but just
Speaker 12: the guys we're being for to night with people, the
Speaker 12: younger generation especially.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think there's value in that we've
Speaker 2: been able to reinvent ourselves in a way that our
Speaker 2: brand has had, you know, different iterations, different complete just lives.
Speaker 2: So the fact that yeah, we've been on you know
Speaker 2: TV every day for the past fifteen years, it's a
Speaker 2: whole demo. They only know us from that, so that
Speaker 2: leaves a whole new space for them to explore when
Speaker 2: they discover our body at work. And then there's people
Speaker 2: who've been die hard fans of you know, L and
Speaker 2: the Roots forever who may have lost track of our
Speaker 2: musical contributions along the way.
Speaker 4: So I just appreciate the chance to sort of keep
Speaker 4: reintroducing myself.
Speaker 2: Me and Elle was just talking about how, you know,
Speaker 2: you just pop out every now and then as an
Speaker 2: artist to shut it down with those little, you know,
Speaker 2: not not so general reminders, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And you're good, and that's sort of how we navigate
Speaker 2: the space.
Speaker 19: And you know, the way I look at it is
Speaker 19: it's just an opportunity, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 19: a beautiful opportunity to put you up on something new.
Speaker 19: And if you don't know, to come find out, come
Speaker 19: to the show, you know what I'm saying. That's why
Speaker 19: we're on tour. You can come see some music. It's
Speaker 19: multi generational, you know, just like the festival multi generational.
Speaker 19: So come out to the tour, come to the fourth tour,
Speaker 19: see what we're doing. You know what I'm saying, Get
Speaker 19: put onto something new It's that simple. You know what
Speaker 19: I'm saying. If you don't know, come find out.
Speaker 4: Is it true that Jimmy Fallon is paying the staff
Speaker 4: out of pocket?
Speaker 14: Why?
Speaker 4: Y'all straight? That's a question my check. Let me check
Speaker 4: my account right now.
Speaker 6: That I got like nineteen other jobs.
Speaker 4: It's not like you know, no one knowing is getting paid.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: After that, that's kind of a myth.
Speaker 12: I was gonna ask, was there any at any point
Speaker 12: of any of your lives lose love for hip hop?
Speaker 12: Maybe it was the sound change, maybe it was wasn't
Speaker 12: received the right way, or maybe it was I'm getting
Speaker 12: money over here?
Speaker 4: Was there any time at that at all?
Speaker 10: For me?
Speaker 4: No, because I'm getting money over here has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with love and hip hop.
Speaker 19: I don't make rap music and do hip hop culture
Speaker 19: and rock the bells and all this to make money
Speaker 19: to survive.
Speaker 14: Well, I will say that, you know, there's times if
Speaker 14: you're creative and your passion turns into your livelihood, that
Speaker 14: sometimes you might have to leave it for a second.
Speaker 4: I mean, there definitely been moments where.
Speaker 14: Like you know, like he and I put since ninety three,
Speaker 14: probably somewhere between one hundred and fifty to two hundred
Speaker 14: shows a year, you know what I mean from ninety
Speaker 14: three up until like when we start FOU in two
Speaker 14: thousand and nine. Like our lives was on a tour
Speaker 14: bus and you know, the grass is always green on
Speaker 14: the other side. And so during the tonight show allowed
Speaker 14: us especially to see what other magical powers we had,
Speaker 14: like I didn't know, like, oh, I can write books.
Speaker 14: And both of us are professors at NYU. You know,
Speaker 14: he wrote a play, I did a movie and all
Speaker 14: those other things. So small team man, not more than sports,
Speaker 14: just curious, like we're I think all of us are
Speaker 14: creatives and that's that's the thing, Like we're creatives that
Speaker 14: are discovering that sometimes our talent is transferable to.
Speaker 4: Other mediums in avenue like Tarik, he's a better cook.
Speaker 14: That's I'll put him against any three micheline star chef
Speaker 14: or black grandmother.
Speaker 2: About now for real, Like he's the king Gordon Ramsey,
Speaker 2: you wanted to smoke. Now he's getting up before m
Speaker 2: You know, I think I catered. I catered for the
Speaker 2: Boost other night. Yeah, I brought a bunch of grubs
Speaker 2: to the up to rock the bell. So I mean
Speaker 2: you're going to tell him what I brought, you.
Speaker 14: Know what I'm saying, Yes, everything from crab Legs to
Speaker 14: lobster to kylein greens to like his cookie.
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying, like his creativity. Check all
Speaker 4: the box you left.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the chillers, Oh, I love the chillers on the grill.
Speaker 4: A moment in your careers where y'all questioning things though.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, definitely there have been many moments, uh,
Speaker 2: you know where I've questioned you know, myself and where
Speaker 2: we've questioned ourselves, you know, I mean as a collective,
Speaker 2: and you know, in those moments of pause, that's when
Speaker 2: you're able to answer the call.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, you just get those versts
Speaker 4: of of clarity.
Speaker 2: And it's been a blessing that we've been able to
Speaker 2: reinvent ourselves, you know, because yeah, you know, I just
Speaker 2: like I was saying, I would be making music. I
Speaker 2: would be writing songs and you know, creating art, whether
Speaker 2: I was able to you know, support myself and my
Speaker 2: family off it or not. So it's it's a blessing,
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, the plus is that I'm
Speaker 2: also able to make a career out of it, you know,
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But yeah, there have been times that
Speaker 2: I've questioned, you know, like what the next chapter will
Speaker 2: look like or what the next you know, sort of
Speaker 2: act like three of my career, you know, am I
Speaker 2: gonna be able to swing another? You know, reinvent is
Speaker 2: those moments when you sort of listen to the universe
Speaker 2: and you go with your heart and things become more clear.
Speaker 19: I mean, yeah, listen, man, There's always gonna be a
Speaker 19: time in life where you have doubts and you have concerns,
Speaker 19: and you have insecurities, and you feel like uncomfortable or
Speaker 19: discomfort about certain things. But like Tarik said, you know,
Speaker 19: answering that call and following your intuition, following that small
Speaker 19: voice inside of.
Speaker 10: You and go for it.
Speaker 19: You know, you can't be fearful in life. You can't
Speaker 19: be scary, and you the person that has to be
Speaker 19: able to you have to be able to trust the
Speaker 19: most is yourself. And you have to be able to
Speaker 19: trust yourself in moments when you are susceptible to fear
Speaker 19: and weakness and you just have to find that strength
Speaker 19: and keep moving through.
Speaker 12: You have times have been challenged and you throw shots,
Speaker 12: whether it's mo d back in the day cannabus or
Speaker 12: people even say, oh, have you ever ran into the
Speaker 12: people that you've ever had a lyrical sparring? And is
Speaker 12: it all jokes and fun now or is it still
Speaker 12: like standoffish?
Speaker 4: No, ain't no standoffish man, that's the spot. Okay, there's
Speaker 4: no time. I mean some dudes. Look, everybody is different, man,
Speaker 4: some people, you know, it really bothers them, like you know,
Speaker 4: some people as like post Jack the Ripper, right or
Speaker 4: post how you like me?
Speaker 14: Now? Like were you and mod ever in the room
Speaker 14: together at any of that those periods like I walked
Speaker 14: out on stage of this concert before like I'm crazy,
Speaker 14: Wait what there was no there was no social media.
Speaker 6: Man, yeah we see each other.
Speaker 8: We laugh.
Speaker 4: When you walked out with nothing, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6: Kind of pioneered the rap, yes, well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but then with cannabis, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, have y'all left y'all focus? Brought them out
Speaker 4: at Barclays when I perform. Remember that's right, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You know, I see you and I
Speaker 4: see pictures.
Speaker 14: I mean, yeah, we got the you know we're doing
Speaker 14: We've got things we're doing now together You know what
Speaker 14: about you and what was what was you in whole?
Speaker 3: But I never understood that one either. That felt like
Speaker 3: just ego. I really, I honestly couldn't tell you, bro,
Speaker 3: I have no idea. All I know is it's all love.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like you know, it's we
Speaker 3: gucci like for real, like you know, you know, listen, man,
Speaker 3: does a conversation make things great or just over time?
Speaker 3: It just you realize it wasn't really about nothing.
Speaker 12: They said you at the time that you didn't like
Speaker 12: him as president or death ya, and that's where they
Speaker 12: said it came from.
Speaker 4: Dude. Next question, is it a question? Y'all in the
Speaker 4: old street stuff and the stuff like yeah, next question,
Speaker 4: I tell you like this.
Speaker 19: I tell you like this man. You know, at the
Speaker 19: end of the day, I got love for everybody. You
Speaker 19: know what I'm saying. I just want to do great things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 19: As a matter of fact, I think there's a part
Speaker 19: in the show where I actually get into this stuff
Speaker 19: a little bit with a freestyle. So you know, people
Speaker 19: should just come to the show and check it out
Speaker 19: and hear how I address it.
Speaker 4: I will keep a lock. We got more with LL
Speaker 4: and the Roots. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning everybody,
Speaker 4: EJ n V.
Speaker 12: CHARLAMAGNEA God, we are the Breakfast This club was still
Speaker 12: kicking it with ll cool J in the Roots.
Speaker 3: Che How do y'all feel about lists? Because Billboard had
Speaker 3: y'all ranked number ten group of all time?
Speaker 4: Really yeah, Lla As.
Speaker 3: You ranked number fourteen of the top rappers ever and
Speaker 3: you coined the term goat. But for some reason your
Speaker 3: name doesn't always get put in those goat conversations?
Speaker 4: How did that?
Speaker 14: Because he's too good? People can never look at it? Well,
Speaker 14: you know, you know, I guess I just got to
Speaker 14: do something about it. You know, I guess that just
Speaker 14: means I got some work to do, you know what
Speaker 14: I mean. I guess that's what it means.
Speaker 19: I mean, I could sit here and come up with
Speaker 19: a thousand different excuses, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 19: I guess my job is to change that narrative.
Speaker 4: So yeah, to be continued for me, man Like, I'm
Speaker 4: not you know, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: Like Whoever, when I do fall like on those lists,
Speaker 2: it's always, you know, just an honor to be held
Speaker 2: in the company that I'm held in.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: It's never any other artists on those lists that I
Speaker 2: don't feel, you know, deserve it, but you know where
Speaker 2: you rank. I think that you know it's relative and
Speaker 2: think that you know it varies from person in person,
Speaker 2: different folks opinions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I'm I'm a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 4: I know everybody know that I'm fine with it, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 19: And you know the other thing I would add is
Speaker 19: that I think this is an overused term, but in
Speaker 19: my cases, I'm different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Fact, I really am.
Speaker 19: So it's like if they don't understand, like how much
Speaker 19: I changed the world, if you wasn't there, you just
Speaker 19: don't understand that. Like you have to remember that just
Speaker 19: with death Jam alone. Name the artists that will signed
Speaker 19: the Death Jam over time.
Speaker 4: Name five. So let's stop right there. Right.
Speaker 19: So I'm the first artist on Death Jam. It was
Speaker 19: a production company, Tela Rock. I'm the first artist. I
Speaker 19: put the label on my back and I got us
Speaker 19: the distribution deal.
Speaker 4: With my album.
Speaker 19: What are we talking about? What are we really talking
Speaker 19: about it? Like, so that's putting the work into be
Speaker 19: a pillar.
Speaker 12: I gotta ask Mount rushmore of hip hop to y'all,
Speaker 12: who would be the four faces on that?
Speaker 4: Not even personally. You can't be personal, And we're.
Speaker 3: Telling me some of those people that put his self
Speaker 3: on I mean you, I'm just saying, like your personal favorites.
Speaker 3: Like in the future when we're not here and somebody's
Speaker 3: looking like, who are those people?
Speaker 4: They call me big man? All right. So my as
Speaker 4: as as a.
Speaker 14: Music lover, DJ and a producer, my mount Rushmore of
Speaker 14: albums would probably be Nation of Millions, three ft I
Speaker 14: and Rising, and then the thirty six and probably lastly
Speaker 14: I might say Midnight Marauders. Like those four records sort
Speaker 14: of informed me to go deep into the culture and
Speaker 14: actually to get my own career.
Speaker 4: So look, man, I just keep it. Keep it simple.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 19: When you talk about like a real rush More and
Speaker 19: you talk about the shaping of the culture, you have.
Speaker 4: To look at its first principles.
Speaker 19: You know, it's like anything else, you break it down
Speaker 19: the first principles, right, you know, you gotta put DJ
Speaker 19: cool Hirk.
Speaker 4: He ain't on Rushmore. I just he just started it.
Speaker 19: No big deal, no big deal, this is something I did, Okay,
Speaker 19: And then you have to put run DMC up up there.
Speaker 19: Because they kicked down the doors and the walls and
Speaker 19: you know, put me on their back to a certain
Speaker 19: stand as well. And I was the solo guy who
Speaker 19: went out there got shot out of that cannon. And
Speaker 19: then you have to put Flash and Mel Flash because.
Speaker 14: He made us dream of the culture, the DJ, the
Speaker 14: art of the DJ, the idea that a DJ could
Speaker 14: affect culture and move culture.
Speaker 4: Flash made us do that.
Speaker 19: And then you gotta say Mel because he was the
Speaker 19: first original prolific writer. Like those are the core, you
Speaker 19: know what I'm saying. You have a couple of others,
Speaker 19: but like that core right there is the real core.
Speaker 19: Anything after that fan based this. You know, it's based
Speaker 19: on oh he made money or oh he had a
Speaker 19: lot of platinum albums. Oh he got people to change
Speaker 19: their shirts. Oh yo that he got you know, all
Speaker 19: of that is cool. But DJ Cool, Hirk, Run, DMC, Grandmaster,
Speaker 19: Flash and Mail. You removed that and like what you
Speaker 19: got for me?
Speaker 4: I think it.
Speaker 2: Boils down to, uh, just who had the most impact,
Speaker 2: you know, upon my craft. So I'll give props to
Speaker 2: you know, the the L's and you know the BC
Speaker 2: Boys and the Chuck D's and even running them even
Speaker 2: though they weren't depth jam artists, but that whole first
Speaker 2: wave of depth jam artists were the first people that
Speaker 2: I heard had that rush roster. They had that powerful
Speaker 2: cadence that was just different from with Mel and Curtis
Speaker 2: Blow and everybody was doing.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, run DMC. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They came out like balls go in on El cool
Speaker 2: than Chuck d you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yelling.
Speaker 2: There was the yelling, so it was you know, that
Speaker 2: was like wow, like they had arrived. They you know,
Speaker 2: changed the way I wrote. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: After I was exposed to that, did you.
Speaker 4: Ever write for you eborate on that You can still
Speaker 4: tap his je right for me? You can still tap
Speaker 4: to Joe l.
Speaker 16: No no, no, no no.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: We never did any music together. I saw this on
Speaker 3: the internet. Somebody said around that time Cube was helping you.
Speaker 4: You know what, people have this. You know, you know
Speaker 4: people they got a lot of stories, bro, They come
Speaker 4: up with a lot of stories, you know what I mean.
Speaker 14: Hey, Hey, hey, Michael Jordan, did uh somebody ever bounced
Speaker 14: the ball for you and shoot your jump shot for you?
Speaker 14: Like no, I shot the jump shot listen.
Speaker 19: I'm not above collaborating on a chorus or working on
Speaker 19: something like I'm not I'm not piggy like that. If
Speaker 19: I was writing the rhyme and somebody said, YO said
Speaker 19: a word, I'd be like, all right, I like that word.
Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. But you know, I write my songs.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I have to because it
Speaker 4: has to come from me.
Speaker 19: And if you collaborate too much on the at least
Speaker 19: from LL COOLJ fans, if I collaborated too much with
Speaker 19: somebody on writing, it would affect what they're listening to.
Speaker 19: It wouldn't sound like me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 19: because they are very unique things to ll cool J.
Speaker 19: So I'll give you I'll give you an example. So
Speaker 19: I tried to do a more collaborative writing album. I
Speaker 19: did a whole album with fifty cent and we were
Speaker 19: writing together on this album, and when it was done,
Speaker 19: I listened to it, I'm like, it sounds good.
Speaker 4: I like the music, the rhymes, it sounds cool, but
Speaker 4: it ain't me. So I didn't put it out.
Speaker 19: It wasn't nothing against fifty I love fifty I just
Speaker 19: wanted to try something different. Maybe we collaborate right together.
Speaker 19: It didn't work. I think you think Paradise was the song, No, no, no, No.
Speaker 19: Paradise is totally different. Fifty wrote the chorus on Paradise
Speaker 19: for a Marie what she sung. He didn't write my rhymes,
Speaker 19: you know what I mean? Like people get that a little,
Speaker 19: you know what I'm saying. That being said, when that happened,
Speaker 19: I didn't even know fifty was involved. That was the
Speaker 19: track masters. They got that done right and they played
Speaker 19: with the chorus.
Speaker 6: I liked it, etc.
Speaker 4: You know, we tried to work together and that's my man.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 19: We real cool, But the collaborative thing when it comes
Speaker 19: to my verses, that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm kind of like, it's funny when
Speaker 4: you do this a long time.
Speaker 14: The longer you do this, the more people does he
Speaker 14: still got it? Can he still do it? Is he
Speaker 14: gonna be able to do it? It kind of reminds
Speaker 14: me of the Crawfit fight the other night. A lot
Speaker 14: of people who like were really like nervous for Crawfit, right, Yeah,
Speaker 14: it was a lot of people that were nervous for
Speaker 14: Crawfit when he was walking in the ring and he
Speaker 14: showed what it is. And I think with me, for
Speaker 14: whatever reason, people are never quite sure if how it's
Speaker 14: gonna be. But do you like being underestimated? I love it,
Speaker 14: I actually love it. I'm good with that. I'm good
Speaker 14: with that because that, you know, that only makes the
Speaker 14: JAB that much stiffer.
Speaker 4: You we appreciate. Make sure you get the tickets for
Speaker 4: the tour. How can they get tickets if they need
Speaker 4: to go to I mean, just go to ticketmaster dot
Speaker 4: com and check it out.
Speaker 19: The fourth tour. I love Cool Jay and the Roots
Speaker 19: and oh one other thing. I want to tell you,
Speaker 19: this show is not like the music stops. Then another
Speaker 19: artist comes on and the music starts, and another.
Speaker 13: Out of.
Speaker 14: Yeah, don't show up. This is one long what is
Speaker 14: it two three hours? Yes, it's one long mixtape. It's
Speaker 14: a MIXTAPEAMS and that's how fortune day. So get there,
Speaker 14: you know, get there on time and be trying to
Speaker 14: make a grand interest in hurting and all that.
Speaker 4: Just get in on time. Let's have some fun. Hedge Sprung.
Speaker 4: The first song that comes, they called me Big.
Speaker 13: Cool.
Speaker 4: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning this time for Donkey
Speaker 4: O the day Donkey.
Speaker 11: I'm a Democrat, so being junky of the day is
Speaker 11: a little bit of a mixed question.
Speaker 4: So like a dope donk the other day, the club bitch.
Speaker 3: Now, I've been called a lot of my twenty three years,
Speaker 3: But donkey of the day is a new white. Yes,
Speaker 3: donkey to Dave goes to thirty seven year old John
Speaker 3: Garza and forty three year old Arlely Nemo of Virginia.
Speaker 4: Suit everybody in Virginia.
Speaker 3: Now, these two convicts have been in custody in Newport
Speaker 3: News for months, facing a bunch of charges, including, but
Speaker 3: not limited to, contempt of court, probation violations, failure to appear,
Speaker 3: credit card fraud, forgery, possession of burglary tools, grand larceny.
Speaker 3: I mean they just both career criminals, or should I
Speaker 3: say they made being criminal their career, Okay, because life
Speaker 3: is about choices, and they chose a life of crime.
Speaker 3: It is what it is, and I must admit they
Speaker 3: seem to be pretty good at it. Okay, never mind
Speaker 3: the fact that they're in jail. Okay, everyone gets caught
Speaker 3: at some point in time.
Speaker 4: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 3: But what kind of run do you have when you're
Speaker 3: out all right, Garza and Nemo in regards to crime,
Speaker 3: especially like petty crime.
Speaker 4: It seems like they're up there with Jordan and pippin Baby.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm talking about Lebron, James and d Wade
Speaker 3: like they are the splash Brothers of criminology and their
Speaker 3: latest crime, their latest crime takes the cake or should
Speaker 3: I say pancake?
Speaker 4: What are you talking about, Uncle Charlotte.
Speaker 3: I know they've never been specific about what kind of
Speaker 3: cake people be taken, but I'm pretty sure it's a
Speaker 3: cake from a bakery, not a pancake.
Speaker 4: Never mind all that.
Speaker 3: Okay, you want to know what I'm talking about, Let's
Speaker 3: go to WTKR CBS News three for the report.
Speaker 4: Please.
Speaker 20: In what may seem like a movie plot, the Newport
Speaker 20: News Sheriff's Office says two inmates tunneled this hole in
Speaker 20: a cell wall to escape from the Newborn News jail
Speaker 20: NX Monday evening. The Sheriff's office says Arly Nemo and
Speaker 20: John Garza were able to exploit a construction design weakness
Speaker 20: in the building and used a toothbrush and metal object
Speaker 20: to make the hole. Once outside, they scaled a security
Speaker 20: wall and got out the jail ANX is a minimum
Speaker 20: security facility, and the two were discovered to be missing
Speaker 20: during a routine headcount, but it was a tip from
Speaker 20: the public that led police to the ihop on Mercury
Speaker 20: Boulevard and Hampton, where the two were apparently eating at
Speaker 20: about three am this morning. Hampton Police say the two
Speaker 20: were taken into custody without incident. Garza had been in
Speaker 20: custody since December on several charges, including probation violations. Nemo
Speaker 20: had been in custody since last October on charges including
Speaker 20: credit card fraud.
Speaker 4: Ladies and gettlemen. These men a career criminals.
Speaker 3: Uh, this is a crime, Okay, But I don't know
Speaker 3: if that news report said it or not, because I
Speaker 3: wasn't paying all the way that much attention. But these
Speaker 3: guys escaped jail with a toothbrush. A toothbrush, and guess
Speaker 3: where they went after they got out of prison? Envy
Speaker 3: I heard, Oh they said it, Dad, they did?
Speaker 4: Oh. I blinked out. Something's wrong my brain lately.
Speaker 3: But yes, I want to say that even though these
Speaker 3: men are career criminals and this is a crime, you
Speaker 3: have to admit escaping jail with a toothbrush just to
Speaker 3: go get some ihop legendary, drop on a clues bomb
Speaker 3: for those legends. I mean, come on, man, you went
Speaker 3: from that, You went from the International House of Prison
Speaker 3: to the International House of Pancakes.
Speaker 4: Okay, you gotta let a legend be a legend.
Speaker 3: Baby, I can both acknowledge that this is Donkey of
Speaker 3: the day worthy and legendary at the same time.
Speaker 4: These men exploited a construction design weakness.
Speaker 3: With primitive made tools made from a toothbrush and a
Speaker 3: metal object, put a hole in the wall, scaled, went
Speaker 3: through the wall, then scaled over another security wall just
Speaker 3: to get some of the those world famous buttermilk pancakes. Man,
Speaker 3: drop on a clues bomb for them, and I hope
Speaker 3: they had a full stack. Okay, eleven twenty nine before attacks,
Speaker 3: six hundred and ninety calories.
Speaker 4: Alright, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3: They deserve it all big steak omelet for those two
Speaker 3: all right, sixteen thirty nine before attacks, one thousand and
Speaker 3: forty calories. Give it to them, all right, Send a
Speaker 3: stack pancakes twelve fifty nine before tax, eight hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy calories.
Speaker 4: Give it to them.
Speaker 3: Now, do I think it's extremely stupid that they escape
Speaker 3: jail just to go to I hop yes, But if
Speaker 3: you're already facing.
Speaker 4: A bunch of charges and you're going to prison for.
Speaker 3: The next decade or the next couple of decades, and
Speaker 3: you really don't have no place to go, if you
Speaker 3: actually escape, you just want to get up, get out,
Speaker 3: and get some fresh air.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Yolo? Okay, yolo, you only
Speaker 4: live once? All right?
Speaker 3: In this case, I hop International House of Pancakes. Please
Speaker 3: give John Garza and Arlenimo of Newport News, Virginia the
Speaker 3: sweet sounds of the Hamiltons.
Speaker 4: Oh no, you are of the day, well the dog
Speaker 4: gee all the day. Yee. I respect it. Let's let's
Speaker 4: play a game. You want to play a game, I do. Okay, well,
Speaker 4: let's play a game of yess.
Speaker 3: All right, we got thirty seven year old John Garza
Speaker 3: and forty three old Ary Nemo of Newport News, Virginia.
Speaker 4: They both escaped prison just to go get some eye
Speaker 4: hop dj n V. Yess what raison? I'm gonna say, White?
Speaker 4: What makes you think they would honestly? Mm hmmm. I
Speaker 4: think I hope you're being honest. I think black people
Speaker 4: would have went to waffle House. You're crazy. You're crazy,
Speaker 4: and you're disrespectful. In the South, don't but the ie Hop.
Speaker 4: Don't act like I hop, ain't ain't I hop? Ma,
Speaker 4: if you got a choice, you go to waffle house,
Speaker 4: you ain't gonna go.
Speaker 3: Actually, actually, what if I had a choice, I'm going
Speaker 3: to I Hop me too. But in the South, we
Speaker 3: go to waffle house.
Speaker 4: When you're in the.
Speaker 3: South, you do waffle House. I'm South Carolina born and raised.
Speaker 3: I'm going to IE Hop. Okay. I can think of
Speaker 3: plenty of knights in Columbia, South Carolina when I went
Speaker 3: to IE Hop over everything else.
Speaker 12: I know, and I know the I Hop or Mercury Boulevard,
Speaker 12: they usually open twenty four to seven. You know, I
Speaker 12: went to school in Hampton, Virginia, so I know that
Speaker 12: I hop. But when I'm in the South, I got
Speaker 12: I Hop in New York, I'd rather go to waffle
Speaker 12: house and get my chicken and waffles.
Speaker 4: I know black people they going to what are they
Speaker 4: white or black? They're Caucasians, see it, I know it. Okay.
Speaker 3: I don't think ie hoping waffle House is a black
Speaker 3: or white thing, because I'm I'm telling you plenty of
Speaker 3: Knights in Columbia, South Carolina. I took my ass to
Speaker 3: ie Hop on Assembly Street, slutha everybody that's working on
Speaker 3: working in ie Hop on in Columbia, South Carolina on
Speaker 3: Assembly Street. Take thirty one Assembly Street. Baby, my goodness,
Speaker 3: actually putting handcuffs in there one night. But and I
Speaker 3: have on a symbolist street back in the day.
Speaker 12: Though, I do want to know what's wrong with the
Speaker 12: Virginia jails, the fact that you can get your way
Speaker 12: out with a toothbrush.
Speaker 3: Like they said it was a construction design weakness, and
Speaker 3: they say they don't want to speak too much on
Speaker 3: it because of security security concerns.
Speaker 4: If you can use a you got out with a toothbrush.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they don't want to give too
Speaker 3: much away because then it'll give other prisoners ideas. But
Speaker 3: you know, you know, if you if you can escape
Speaker 3: with a primitive made too, you know, made from a
Speaker 3: toothbrush in the metal logic, man, Jesus man, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be honest with you. When you do stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you kind of deserve to be free. I guess would
Speaker 3: be almost like a game. If you can get out,
Speaker 3: you deserve to be out Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: All right, all right, well thank you for that donkey today. Yes,
Speaker 4: indeed the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 12: On everybody is DJ Envy CHARLAMAGNEA god. We are the
Speaker 12: Breakfast Club special guest in the building. A legend when
Speaker 12: it comes to this hip hop thing. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 12: fab five Freddy, welcome.
Speaker 6: Brother, okay man, pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4: Man, what's happening. Let's have pleasure to have you brother man.
Speaker 6: Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: And you know, we just celebrated fifty years of hip
Speaker 3: hop incredible. Did you ever think that hip hop would
Speaker 3: take it this far?
Speaker 17: Her?
Speaker 4: To quote the lady, I know, I loved that call.
Speaker 6: Not not at all, not at all. I mean, I
Speaker 6: mean I was clearly thinking of, like, you know, in
Speaker 6: terms of the moves I made, having some control over
Speaker 6: the narrative, you know, being that being aware that people
Speaker 6: that look like us in previous generations of our culture
Speaker 6: didn't have that ability to host the shows that you know,
Speaker 6: you know, the footprint that you guys have and the
Speaker 6: things that others like us in media and do these things.
Speaker 6: So that was like a super significant thing that I
Speaker 6: thought about from beginning. But to see it come to
Speaker 6: this point globally the most listened to form of music
Speaker 6: around the world. Still, it's just astonishing.
Speaker 12: Let's let's go back for people that don't know who
Speaker 12: Fab five Freddy is. So let's let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 12: How you got into this thing called hip hop and
Speaker 12: what you created Because you started off as a graffiti artist,
Speaker 12: right and I'm sure you were tagging trains back in
Speaker 12: the day because that was the thing to do, the trains.
Speaker 6: That was the thing to do, the trains, the walls,
Speaker 6: the buses, right anywhere. It was an audacious thing to do.
Speaker 6: When I think back, so many New York teenagers back
Speaker 6: then in the seventies just felt like it was okay
Speaker 6: to put your name anywhere you felt it needed to be.
Speaker 6: And then the competition of that developed into a real,
Speaker 6: you know, refined and defined form of expression. Ways of
Speaker 6: using them spray cans that nobody ever envision anywhere, Like
Speaker 6: you know, spray cans is just just you know, the
Speaker 6: pain and an old piece or whatever right around the house.
Speaker 6: Now we've created, you know, a way to make murals
Speaker 6: that kind of tell stories about who we are and
Speaker 6: where we are and what we want to be and
Speaker 6: do and all those things. It was like a fantasy.
Speaker 6: And then that began a journey that I kind of
Speaker 6: helped lead take graffiti art into galleries, turning it into
Speaker 6: something called street art, which is also like a global thing.
Speaker 6: You know, probably heard of my homie rest in Peace
Speaker 6: Jean Michel Boskio young brother out of Brooklyn, and we
Speaker 6: met on that downtown scene. Had similar aspirations figure out
Speaker 6: a way to be artists, like Malcolm X said, by
Speaker 6: any means necessarily, yeah, he used to. Jean was tagging,
Speaker 6: but he was putting up these like poetic phrases, quotes
Speaker 6: that were not in any way like typical graffiti, but
Speaker 6: it was a part of graffiti and nobody knew he
Speaker 6: was a young brother doing it. Initially he started out
Speaker 6: doing something called same O, which was sort of short
Speaker 6: for same o, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 6: that developed and then we met and he was on
Speaker 6: the scene. He turned out to be a brother, like
Speaker 6: he was doing stuff around Soho in the village area.
Speaker 6: People didn't know he was a brother, and we met
Speaker 6: at a party writer as I'm kind of stepping on
Speaker 6: that downtown art scene, and we both had similar aspirations
Speaker 6: to try to figure this out, so we began the
Speaker 6: you know, we kind of linked up and we're in
Speaker 6: the same circuit. Blondie was somebody that we met pretty
Speaker 6: much at the same time. I'm in their ear about
Speaker 6: this new culture, and then they kind of took us
Speaker 6: under their wings, so to speak, and brought out work
Speaker 6: some of the first people to buy paintings for myself
Speaker 6: and Jean Michelle and then made you know, took some
Speaker 6: inspiration from them stories I told them and made a
Speaker 6: record called Rapture.
Speaker 4: Altho we got to stay here for me.
Speaker 6: Rapture was the first video on MTV that was one
Speaker 6: of the MTV's first videos which I'm featured if I,
Speaker 6: along with Jean Michelle, I tried to get Flash was
Speaker 6: supposed to have come to be the DJ i'd met
Speaker 6: because you know, it was working on the first hip
Speaker 6: hop movie while Style in that same time frame, early eighties.
Speaker 6: I said, Flash, come down and be in this video.
Speaker 6: You know, to think that there was no MTV at
Speaker 6: that time, so we did. Music video was not a thing,
Speaker 6: but still I'm like, they had this idea to create
Speaker 6: a music video. All the people we hung out with
Speaker 6: were in the video. Flash never showed up, so I said,
Speaker 6: John stand at the turntables, and I try to tell
Speaker 6: Majean just stood there with a grin on his face.
Speaker 6: So in the raption, so as Debbie starts to rap
Speaker 6: and the first line is fab five, Freddy told me,
Speaker 6: everybody's fly. She's saying it to Jean and then she
Speaker 6: you know, the song goes on. So that turned out
Speaker 6: to be one of MTV's first videos when the channel launched,
Speaker 6: and close to ten years later, they would they were
Speaker 6: kind of pressured into trying to, you know, to do
Speaker 6: a show about rap music. And I got the call
Speaker 6: MTV raps what MTV was trying to do. It's interesting
Speaker 6: that you you guys are now, you know, have this
Speaker 6: big position doing radio.
Speaker 4: The guys like you absolutely guys.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, the thing was radio was pretty segregated,
Speaker 6: and in the American charts, I mean, England was different.
Speaker 6: That's why I referenced America pop pretty much meant white essentially,
Speaker 6: So no matter what kind of record you made, if
Speaker 6: you could, you know, make a record that was popping
Speaker 6: all the descriptive ways, the people doing that were black,
Speaker 6: they would most often off end up on the R
Speaker 6: and B or the soul chart or the dance chart,
Speaker 6: and so MTV was set up to try to mirror
Speaker 6: that a visual form of of what American radio stations were.
Speaker 6: And so when black acts got big, they were like,
Speaker 6: why am I not getting any love on there? And so,
Speaker 6: with the exception of a little line of Richie, a
Speaker 6: little Prince, there was very little black music to be seen.
Speaker 6: And then I think it was Michael Jackson's label, Columbia's
Speaker 6: CBS if I'm not mistaken, Epic, whichever one of those
Speaker 6: really pressured them and they said, listen, we're going to
Speaker 6: pull all out other acts, which included Bruce Springsteen off
Speaker 6: of MTV if you don't play Michael Jackson. I think
Speaker 6: that specifically was Billy Jean, and then they played it.
Speaker 6: The numbers went through the roof and then came Thriller
Speaker 6: and everything like that, so that really they had to
Speaker 6: realize that this time to change up that attitude. And
Speaker 6: then there were two young white guys at MTV, Peter
Speaker 6: Doughty and then Ted de me rest in Peace. Peter
Speaker 6: I had known on the downtown scene. He knew things
Speaker 6: I was moves I was making with Blondie and the
Speaker 6: hip hop's first film, Wild Style, and so he was
Speaker 6: in their ear, like records were selling like crazy, run
Speaker 6: dmc ll, some of those first early hip hop records
Speaker 6: were going crazy, no marketing, no promo, and so they said, Okay,
Speaker 6: we're going to try it, try this out. And they
Speaker 6: tried it and it.
Speaker 4: Wasn't You wasn't upset with leaving or you wanted to
Speaker 4: leave or was it.
Speaker 6: Well when it ended about six or seven years in
Speaker 6: which was incredible run, it was kind of sad that
Speaker 6: it came to an end. But I realized, like you know,
Speaker 6: those acts that debuted on your MTV raps were so pivotal,
Speaker 6: they were so defining of the culture. Like the first
Speaker 6: time people saw you know, Tupac Nwa, you know, Luke
Speaker 6: and them. I would go to these areas where they were.
Speaker 4: You invented that. Everybody that's doing these shows now where
Speaker 4: they go to, where people are.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely fab far Freddy, fab far Freddy invented on
Speaker 3: location conversation. And I know you said you didn't see
Speaker 3: hip hop going as far, but as far as hip
Speaker 3: hop becoming mainstream, you played a big role in that.
Speaker 3: Like when I think of the movie Wild Style, like
Speaker 3: what did that movie mean to you and hip hop
Speaker 3: at that time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the idea that I had had for Wild Style
Speaker 6: was to show a way to show the connection between
Speaker 6: all these elements that are part of hip hop now
Speaker 6: that didn't exist before. So the idea was to make
Speaker 6: a film that showed the connection between this rapping, this djang,
Speaker 6: the breakdancing, and the visual form of expression. Graffidi and
Speaker 6: I hooked up with this cat, Charlie Ahearn, who was
Speaker 6: an underground filmmaker on the downtown scene in New York.
Speaker 6: He had made a super low budget movie about kung
Speaker 6: Fu that had caught my eye. When I linked with him,
Speaker 6: I basically pitched this idea for the movie and he said, essentially,
Speaker 6: let's get busy. So then we started researching going to
Speaker 6: parties in the Bronx, going to the T Connection, the
Speaker 6: Ecstasy Garage, meeting Busy, Cold Crush, Fantastic Funky four plus
Speaker 6: one more including shot Rock, and that was how to
Speaker 6: jump back to the blondie thing. When they got the
Speaker 6: opportunity to host Saturday Night Saturday Night Live, they also
Speaker 6: got to pick who the support act was and they
Speaker 6: wanted to bring somebody hip hop on, so we talked
Speaker 6: about flashing the Furious five. Of course they were big.
Speaker 6: But then I said, you know, the Funky four, similar
Speaker 6: to Blondie, has a female like out front, and I
Speaker 6: thought it was a nice counterbalance.
Speaker 12: All right, we got more with Fab five Freddy when
Speaker 12: we come back, don't move. It's the breakfast Club, Good morning.
Speaker 4: Owning Everybody's dej.
Speaker 12: Envy Charlamage, the god we are. The Breakfast Club was
Speaker 12: too kicking it with Fab five Freddy Charlamage.
Speaker 3: I keep hearing you talk about you wanted to make
Speaker 3: sure hip hop was presented in the right way, right,
Speaker 3: So I wonder, like, what are your thoughts on the
Speaker 3: genre of hip hop now?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, hip hop has continually amazed me with
Speaker 6: the different turns and the evolutions that have happened within it.
Speaker 6: That's been the most fascinating thing for me. Some of
Speaker 6: the things that I've hoped for have come to light.
Speaker 6: Like I remember the very early days when it was
Speaker 6: all pretty much throw your hands in the air waving
Speaker 6: like you just don't care. Everybody say, oh, it's pretty
Speaker 6: much a party, uplifting kind of vibe, and that was cool.
Speaker 6: But then I said, man, if somebody can figure out
Speaker 6: a way to say something that was socially relevant. I
Speaker 6: knew that would elevate us, and that was the message
Speaker 6: broken Glass everywhere, you know, don't push me because I'm
Speaker 6: close to the edge. Really articulated how a lot of
Speaker 6: people were living in New York and other hoods, and
Speaker 6: everybody got the memo that we can now throw our
Speaker 6: hands in the air and have a party, but we
Speaker 6: can talk about our realities in these streets. And that
Speaker 6: was exciting. So there's been things that have happened along
Speaker 6: the way that I've been really enthusiastic about. Obviously, when
Speaker 6: the conscious movement came in me working with KRS one
Speaker 6: in the beginning, then Chuck D and everything that opened
Speaker 6: up a whole another chamber that was incredible. Didn't see
Speaker 6: it coming, but it was definitely needed. And I think
Speaker 6: hip hop is gonna fit. It constantly figures out a way.
Speaker 6: It's like a living organism and different things affected come in.
Speaker 6: It may go off the track a little bit with
Speaker 6: certain things, and then they'll come back with something that
Speaker 6: totally blows us away. Like I think the African even
Speaker 6: though it's not specifically hip hop, it's very inspired by
Speaker 6: the things that we've done. So the afrobeats and the
Speaker 6: Ama piano, which is a sound coming out of South Africa,
Speaker 6: a young kind of dance type sound which is unique,
Speaker 6: is incredible as well as well as what the cats
Speaker 6: in England have figured out on the grime side, you
Speaker 6: know storm Z and those cats that were constantly early
Speaker 6: in the early days of what they were doing, they
Speaker 6: were constantly trying to emulate rap groups from over here.
Speaker 6: I went to England and covered them during the Your
Speaker 6: TV Raps era. I remember London Posse was one of
Speaker 6: the hottest groups at the time that had a New
Speaker 6: York East Coast kind of wrap flow. But they never
Speaker 6: really blew up as big as they wanted to in England.
Speaker 6: But then they figured out how to do it their
Speaker 6: own way, with their own slang and their own way
Speaker 6: way of speaking, and they made some dope records and
Speaker 6: blew ups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I thought about that with y'all, like what
Speaker 3: was the future for vj's back then, Like, did y'all
Speaker 3: even know what the future looked like?
Speaker 4: Like? What did y'all aspire to be after the VJ thing? Well?
Speaker 6: Good question. Thankfully for me, I was doing something prior.
Speaker 6: I was already making moves, you know, making art, you know,
Speaker 6: making films like Wild Style and the VJ thing just
Speaker 6: came to me really honestly, which was great. People would
Speaker 6: run up to me, I want to do this, How
Speaker 6: do you do it? I was like, man, I'd be
Speaker 6: awkward because I'm like, I can't tell you how to
Speaker 6: do There's no go to go to VJ school do this.
Speaker 6: It was just a moment. Clearly MTV is a different
Speaker 6: you know, all that stuff like doesn't exist. People can
Speaker 6: do millions of people do that on YouTube, you know,
Speaker 6: if you will. So there wasn't really a clear path
Speaker 6: if you will, but if you like you say, like
Speaker 6: I think interestingly lover going to radio along with Doctor
Speaker 6: Dre initially and being really good at it was a
Speaker 6: great transition. There were some people that had worked that
Speaker 6: radio behind the scenes and whatever that then came to MTV.
Speaker 6: Stephen Hill had been a radio person that then transitioned
Speaker 6: to become one of the producers at MTV. But yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a good one man. It wasn't too many clear
Speaker 6: paths other than radio or some type of TV announcing
Speaker 6: maybe commercials or whatever. But for me, like, I wanted
Speaker 6: to just get back to doing the things that I'm doing.
Speaker 6: I'm like an obsessive creative and so that's it, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just creating, and that's still what I primarily do.
Speaker 4: You do you remember that day you shot with NWA,
Speaker 4: when you went out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, and it became
Speaker 6: a lot of people's favorite show. I remember vividly. We
Speaker 6: have been playing videos by Easy on the channel and
Speaker 6: Ted Demi and he would talk to Easy often and
Speaker 6: Easy was like, mant you all to come out. We
Speaker 6: have a new group. And I remember them sending us
Speaker 6: a memo the day before us to listen, nobody don't
Speaker 6: wear anything red or bluething black.
Speaker 4: I'm black either.
Speaker 6: No, I'm sorry, red or blue, We're black, is what
Speaker 6: they said. And I was like, man, I've been to
Speaker 6: LA a bunch of times, but I didn't understand the
Speaker 6: dynamics in the hood. You know, I be in West Hollywood,
Speaker 6: in and out on some art business or what have you.
Speaker 6: And so we were like, okay, so we want to
Speaker 6: show people this scene. So let's runt a flatbed truck
Speaker 6: and let's ride around because you know, we hadn't seen
Speaker 6: like what the hood is like or any semblance of LA.
Speaker 6: And so we meet at the Welcome the Compton sign,
Speaker 6: and then we get on this flatbed truck and ride
Speaker 6: around and do segments from the truck. They take us
Speaker 6: to a swap meet and they give us a little
Speaker 6: insight on how they live, and it was crazy. I
Speaker 6: know it was going to be a great show. I
Speaker 6: get back to the hotel and I put the walk
Speaker 6: Man on, got the cassette of the new album n
Speaker 6: WA album Straight out of Content. I listened to it
Speaker 6: for the first time, and I'm literally snatching the headphones
Speaker 6: off my head. Can't believe the things that they're saying
Speaker 6: f the police and just the aggressiveness. And the music
Speaker 6: was amazing and incredible, but the things they were saying.
Speaker 6: I was like, Man, MTV is not gonna let this
Speaker 6: this happen. They gonna pull this. Man, were done shot
Speaker 6: this incredible show riding around. There's nothing's gonna happen. Well,
Speaker 6: the videos, they weren't able to play the video for
Speaker 6: Straight out of Content, but they still had other videos
Speaker 6: and other content and the and the interview played and.
Speaker 4: It and it took off.
Speaker 6: Man, it took off so lovely.
Speaker 12: When you're talking, when you hear the mount rushmore of
Speaker 12: hip hop, right what was your on your Mount Rushmore?
Speaker 4: As far as artists are concerned.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, when when I get asked those kind
Speaker 6: of questions, I'm basically like, I've loved so many and
Speaker 6: and I'm also aware that there's different errors where different
Speaker 6: people were the most important people at that time. So
Speaker 6: as the errors have evolved that my Mount Rushmore would
Speaker 6: it would be various versions based on But I'm a
Speaker 6: lyrics guy, primarily based on lyricism. Oh man, it'd be
Speaker 6: in the beginning, you know, I'll screw up, and I won't.
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's names I forget, but in the beginning, of.
Speaker 4: Course, you know, only before for every erar look at you,
Speaker 4: you know, Mount.
Speaker 14: Mo d.
Speaker 6: Kaz Cowboy, you know. And then going on further from that,
Speaker 6: you know Caine, Rack, Kim, g Rap.
Speaker 4: People forget about g Rap a lot, and I don't
Speaker 4: understand why, because when you listen to you clearly get it.
Speaker 6: His lyrical game was masterful, just incredible way he played
Speaker 6: with words. Who else was my mother? Forth from that
Speaker 6: in that early period, I guess I would have to
Speaker 6: put I'll drop a cube in there, you know, And
Speaker 6: then moving forward, you know, you know Biggie pack of course.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm stuck right now. I can't think of
Speaker 6: all the names that I would love, but pretty much
Speaker 6: those that you know, Nas of course, who I luckily
Speaker 6: got to direct his one of his first one one
Speaker 6: love Yeah, that that Q Tip produced, you know, so man,
Speaker 6: just and then to see Nas still putting out incredible
Speaker 6: music on a consistent basis, it's like a jazz artist.
Speaker 6: It's just look, I got something to say. I'm not pressure.
Speaker 6: It's not about the paper if you will, I'm just
Speaker 6: want to express this. I'm gonna drop this on you.
Speaker 3: And so it's it's just probably all the time he
Speaker 3: probably get deferment pops.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Olu Dara who used to live near me
Speaker 6: in Harlem and we would talk because you know, and
Speaker 6: that's a key thing that Nas has similar to something
Speaker 6: that Rock him has both of them. Obviously, Nas dad's
Speaker 6: a jazz musician. Rock Kim had jazz musician. It was
Speaker 6: a sing I can't remember her name, but earlier connection
Speaker 6: to to jazz and that sensibility I think is a
Speaker 6: is a big part of his flow and his dynamic
Speaker 6: as an artist.
Speaker 4: All right, Well on movie got over with Fab five
Speaker 4: Freddy when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club. Good Morning,
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Speaker 12: Charlamagne, the guy a breakfast Club was too, kicking it
Speaker 12: with Fab five Freddy Charlamagne.
Speaker 6: You didn't fox for an interview the first first time
Speaker 6: on national TV. A lot of those cats. The first
Speaker 6: time I interviewed Park was on this set of the
Speaker 6: movie Juice, and and then we held that show until
Speaker 6: the movie dropped a few months later, and then we
Speaker 6: added you know, and I'm also did a cameo in
Speaker 6: Juice as myself, you know, hosting your TV reps while
Speaker 6: the DJ battle was going on.
Speaker 4: And uh, talk about that set. Juice, classic movie to
Speaker 4: this day. Man, Amazing stars from that movie too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of good stars, a lot of just
Speaker 6: really good dynamics. And I'm pretty sure Tupac would definitely
Speaker 6: have excelled in acting and clearly would have been Oscar
Speaker 6: nominated by now. His dynamism on the screen was just
Speaker 6: something I think like people like that have been able
Speaker 6: to do it in music and then do it on
Speaker 6: the screen. It's just a it's just a rare group
Speaker 6: of people that have been able to do that. And still,
Speaker 6: you know, resonate to us in such a powerful way.
Speaker 6: But your Pock and I were pretty tight. The second
Speaker 6: time I interviewed Pak once again, this was pre death row.
Speaker 6: I like to that's when because it was the first
Speaker 6: time I knew his background, like he had a black
Speaker 6: Panther link family wise, and that was the first time
Speaker 6: he'd spoken about that when I pulled that out of
Speaker 6: him and he explained how his mother was panther fathered,
Speaker 6: so that that fire and that awareness of what they
Speaker 6: were fighting for was part of his consciousness, so which
Speaker 6: was really interesting. He was a dynamic cat, like I mean,
Speaker 6: he could be the most militant for a while, Fruit
Speaker 6: of Islam, Black Panther and then spin on a dime
Speaker 6: and just be the illess thug. And that was I
Speaker 6: think a part of the actor in him. He could
Speaker 6: completely be those people or any other people. I'm sure
Speaker 6: he would have gotten to play in films. He would
Speaker 6: have been super effective and compelling. So that was a
Speaker 6: great loss. So you saw that back then even absolutely,
Speaker 6: because it was just talking to him and he you know,
Speaker 6: and then he flipped and be just super hood And
Speaker 6: I think the persona that he remained in for most
Speaker 6: of his public life after was the persona of bishop
Speaker 6: in Jewics like that was his character that you know,
Speaker 6: he wanted to become on everybody and as many people
Speaker 6: wanted to wish to have been a big dude on
Speaker 6: the New York scene or strong cat that conflects like
Speaker 6: in Harlem and all that, and juice was his way
Speaker 6: to do that. And because come on, he he wasn't
Speaker 6: that dude prior. But he stayed in that character largely
Speaker 6: and then unfortunately got caught up.
Speaker 4: And this that and the third on the New York side,
Speaker 4: if you know, the drum.
Speaker 6: And then went West Coast, and you would think he
Speaker 6: was born in South Central the way he rapped, you know,
Speaker 6: on out there in Cali, which so super effectively, but
Speaker 6: he could he was convincing in any of those genres
Speaker 6: or any of those formats he would put itself in.
Speaker 3: Why do you think commercially, because you was there from
Speaker 3: the inception, why do you think commercially the West Coast
Speaker 3: took off?
Speaker 4: It seemed like to me before the East Coast, like
Speaker 4: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: With the massive mainstream success that we see in hip
Speaker 3: hop now interesting, I just.
Speaker 4: I don't know that's but would you say that because
Speaker 4: he had run DMC had I.
Speaker 6: Thought it was their term. Yeah, we blew up big
Speaker 6: and dug out and planted a firm foundation. That's why
Speaker 6: this culture still rocks so hard today day because the
Speaker 6: roots went deep without anything going viral too early or
Speaker 6: people jumping out there. Tucson and was.
Speaker 4: Jef Rowe was a monster.
Speaker 3: Snoop Dogg sold what eight hundred plus thousand his first
Speaker 3: and second week. He was like the first hip hop
Speaker 3: artist on certain magazine covers, like he really was. It
Speaker 3: was something else, that was something else, and it started
Speaker 3: with NWA to me, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was a big thing.
Speaker 6: They had an incredible movement. It was I think it
Speaker 6: just followed they They added on nicely to the foundation
Speaker 6: that was laid right here in New York. And then
Speaker 6: once again, I was honored to get to direct Snoop's
Speaker 6: first video for What's My Name and turned him into
Speaker 6: a dog. And then interestingly, you know, I'm in the
Speaker 6: cannabis business now with a brand called b Noble, which
Speaker 6: grew out of a film I made which you can
Speaker 6: see on Netflix called grass Is Greener. And I got
Speaker 6: Snoopers in my film, and Snoop tells the story, which
Speaker 6: I didn't know that he Dre. I spent that whole
Speaker 6: summer living with Ray in Calabasas, because the first day
Speaker 6: of shooting Snoop's video him performing on VIP Records. Right
Speaker 6: after that we changed locations in Long Beach. That turns
Speaker 6: into a near riot. That's like not more than a
Speaker 6: year after the La riots, So we got shut down.
Speaker 6: Draces fab I gotta finish Snoop's album. If you can
Speaker 6: chill and hang, we will get the video done. My
Speaker 6: priority is getting this record done. So that Let's led
Speaker 6: me to spend the rest of that summer out there
Speaker 6: hanging with Dre and the dog Pown, getting to know
Speaker 6: them real well, seeing Dre's process in the studio, which
Speaker 6: was remarkable, and then we would get a moment to
Speaker 6: run out and get some scenes that would be other
Speaker 6: parts of the video. And then towards the end of
Speaker 6: the summer there was a big scene that I never
Speaker 6: got to shoot because Snoop got caught up famously murder
Speaker 6: was the case. I said, Man, I'm out of here.
Speaker 4: This is just not enough. I want to document.
Speaker 3: You need you need a document like you yourself, like
Speaker 3: you have to tell how did you get your name.
Speaker 6: I became a part of a graffiti crew called the
Speaker 6: Fabulous Five. They were the one of the dominant groups
Speaker 6: of graffiti painters in New York, which were known for
Speaker 6: doing murals on this side of the primarily on the
Speaker 6: Lexington Avenue number five train. So what you would tag
Speaker 6: up was, you know, you tag your name and the
Speaker 6: group you was down with and then off. And then
Speaker 6: sometimes I would be referred to as, Oh, that's Fab
Speaker 6: five Freddy. You know what I'm saying, that's fab five
Speaker 6: fred And when Blondie made Rapture, it just embedded it
Speaker 6: and solidified it. When she dropped my name, when she
Speaker 6: basically was like fab five Freddy told me everybody's fly
Speaker 6: and I was like, man, wow, I never thought of
Speaker 6: it as the whole thing. But that's a good look,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. She represented and gave me
Speaker 6: a look and it it booms. So that's how that
Speaker 6: really came together.
Speaker 4: I just want you to tell people how difficult it
Speaker 4: was to tag trees back in the day. It was
Speaker 4: so just just talk about that.
Speaker 6: There's a great documentary that was done the same time
Speaker 6: we making Wild Style early eighties. There was a documentary
Speaker 6: called Star Wars that illustrates. In fact k Slay, whose
Speaker 6: rest of Young graffiti Rider named Dez is featured as
Speaker 6: a young graffiti rider and he's you see him in
Speaker 6: Star Wars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: You had to know where the trains what we called
Speaker 6: called the called the layup or in times when the
Speaker 6: rush hour is not running, the extra trains are placed
Speaker 6: in different areas in the city, sometimes in tunnels, sometimes
Speaker 6: at the yards. So you had to know which train
Speaker 6: you wanted to get to get up on where that
Speaker 6: train was going to be, whether in a tunnel or
Speaker 6: way up in the train yards at the end of
Speaker 6: the train line somewhere. And then you had to be
Speaker 6: stealthy on some ninja type energy to get up in there,
Speaker 6: because one of the objectives is also you know, not
Speaker 6: to get caught, and so you had to have all
Speaker 6: those pieces together to get in, get out, and hopefully
Speaker 6: not get caught.
Speaker 4: You ever got caught, taken the tray never never.
Speaker 6: If you get caught, one of your sentences was to
Speaker 6: go wash walls, so you clean the graffiti off the
Speaker 6: trade on the overalls. They you're your bucket and a
Speaker 6: bunch of chemicals, and you be at some platform and
Speaker 6: some station having the clean walls, feeling like, man, I
Speaker 6: got caught out here. I feel I'm like a herb now,
Speaker 6: you know. So it wasn't easy. It was a very
Speaker 6: difficult thing.
Speaker 3: And uh it just made something that people thought was
Speaker 3: just vandalizing back in the day became something so synonymous
Speaker 3: part with New York City.
Speaker 4: It gave the city character. You see it in video games,
Speaker 4: cartoons and everything.
Speaker 6: That blows my mind. You know, graffiti fonts, you can
Speaker 6: get a font and just use graffiti letters. So that's
Speaker 6: that's really satisfying to see that. That's a lot of
Speaker 6: these ideas we had have really worked, and I'm excited
Speaker 6: for the next fifty. All right, well, we appreciate you
Speaker 6: for thanks, having wanted to be up here with you.
Speaker 12: You brother, absolutely the Breakfast Club, Good morning, the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4: Your morning's will never be the same.