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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 1: But happy New Year. Congratulations to everyone. We can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear from you and your fellow conspiracy realists. We've
Speaker 1: got a grand and strange question ahead. We have a
Speaker 1: first hand account following up on our earlier conversation just
Speaker 1: last year about the Red Sea. That's some deep water
Speaker 1: surprisingly on many levels, and before we get to any
Speaker 1: of that, we're going to hear from our palaws.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just dive right into. I think this is
Speaker 3: one that's certainly was news to me and potentially mega helpful,
Speaker 3: and I think we'll be for some of you conspiracy
Speaker 3: realists out there in podcast land. Greetings, guys, I want
Speaker 3: to comment on your most recent Strange News episodes, specifically
Speaker 3: on the hacking where customers account information was stolen. I
Speaker 3: am an active duty Air Force member, and when I
Speaker 3: was stationed in Europe, I was sent to Germany to
Speaker 3: attend a work related event for a few days. At
Speaker 3: the end of the event, I checked out of my hotel,
Speaker 3: starting the hours long drive to where I was living
Speaker 3: at the time. Then, as Ben would say, you get
Speaker 3: into situations, about halfway into the drive, I realized I
Speaker 3: had left my passport in the hotel room safe. I immediately,
Speaker 3: first of all, good on you for putting it in
Speaker 3: the safe. I've never once actually used those safes, and
Speaker 3: when you travel with your passport, that's the most important
Speaker 3: document you could probably possess that you've got out there
Speaker 3: in the world. So sorry you left it, but I
Speaker 3: think it was a smart move. About halfway into the drive,
Speaker 3: I realized I'd left my passport in the hotel room safe.
Speaker 3: I immediately pulled over and called the hotel. They said
Speaker 3: they'd be able to retrieve it and mail it to me,
Speaker 3: but I had to give a credit card number to
Speaker 3: the clerk over the phone. I'm presuming this is for postage.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do, as it looked like
Speaker 3: there was a potential for that person to use my
Speaker 3: card information for other reasons since there was no paper
Speaker 3: trail leading to the person receiving my information. I went
Speaker 3: to Google and struck gold. I found an app slash
Speaker 3: service that I can't stop recommending called Privacy privacy dot Com.
Speaker 3: First of all, good on them for locking that you
Speaker 3: arel down. To be clear, I'm not employed by the company,
Speaker 3: nor do I have financial interests in it. It lets
Speaker 3: you create burner cards tied to your bank account, which
Speaker 3: can be single use, one and done, or tied to
Speaker 3: a single vendor. If tied to Amazon only Amazon charges
Speaker 3: can go through. You can set charge limits per month
Speaker 3: or per transaction. If you pay for the service, you
Speaker 3: can have unlimited open cards, but the free version lets
Speaker 3: you have something like four or five. What the single
Speaker 3: use is done, it doesn't count towards your limit. I
Speaker 3: know this doesn't help in cases where you have to
Speaker 3: provide an actual bank account, but can greatly reduce the
Speaker 3: places online with your credit card or debit card information
Speaker 3: that could be hacked anyway. Long story short, I got
Speaker 3: my passport back with no issues and found a great service.
Speaker 3: Feel free to read this on the air if you wish,
Speaker 3: and you can call me oz os oh Man. First
Speaker 3: of all, I think y'all might remember I recently discussed
Speaker 3: I think it was maybe even in the episode that
Speaker 3: oz is referencing, that I had some weird fraudulent activity
Speaker 3: on my account and I had to cancel my debit card.
Speaker 3: And it turns out that it was because of the
Speaker 3: linkage that I had of my debit card to my
Speaker 3: Apple wallet, and that some service that I had tied
Speaker 3: had my Apple wallet too in the past, I guess
Speaker 3: had exploited that linkage and charged me some weird feef
Speaker 3: that I had no idea you know what it was for.
Speaker 3: And thankfully my bank did you know, return it once
Speaker 3: I reported it. But it really got me thinking about
Speaker 3: how fast and loose I was playing, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people I'm sure, play with having that information out there,
Speaker 3: and when that linkage is just you know, out, you know,
Speaker 3: being used in multiple different services, that can be really
Speaker 3: sketchy and dangerous, you know, for your identity and the
Speaker 3: potential theft thereof. So this is a super super useful
Speaker 3: service and I looked it up on trust Pilot. It's
Speaker 3: got nothing but positive reviews. You know, I think it's
Speaker 3: got or out of three thousand reviews, ninety percent five star.
Speaker 3: Went to some threads about it on Reddit nothing but
Speaker 3: positive things to say about it. So I'm gonna check
Speaker 3: it out myself as well. But it just got me
Speaker 3: kind of thinking, too, guys, just about how I think,
Speaker 3: in some ways naive people can be about their information
Speaker 3: being out there. Matt, you'd mentioned another big hack recently.
Speaker 3: I believe it was a telecom company where you realize
Speaker 3: that you maybe were caught up in one of those leaks.
Speaker 3: You know, of data, and how that data can be
Speaker 3: stored for a lot longer than you realize, even if
Speaker 3: you're no longer a customer. This is a great way
Speaker 3: to kind of mitigate that.
Speaker 2: Ben, I think it was you who mentioned the Exfinity
Speaker 2: hack that was really big that occurred, and then I
Speaker 2: was talking about the Nation Star slash mister Mister Cooper
Speaker 2: hack that was actually tied to people's bank accounts, so
Speaker 2: it had to be like a direct bank account. It
Speaker 2: couldn't be a credit card in this instance. But I
Speaker 2: would just like to add this is something I've been
Speaker 2: very interested interested in for a while and a lot
Speaker 2: of larger credit card companies in American Express or a
Speaker 2: Capital one will allow this type of thing, but it's
Speaker 2: often like a single virtual card or something that you
Speaker 2: can then use for online purchases. And if it gets
Speaker 2: you know, exposed for one reason or another, it doesn't
Speaker 2: directly affect your physical credit card.
Speaker 3: That you have.
Speaker 2: But they don't offer this thing that OZ is talking
Speaker 2: about where you could like, you know, split them all
Speaker 2: up to where you only pay for Apple stuff with
Speaker 2: this one card that's not real, but it is attached
Speaker 2: to your account. That's this is very cool to me.
Speaker 1: It's also it's a pretty successful company OZ. So they
Speaker 1: started in twenty fourteen and twenty twenty one they rebranded
Speaker 1: to a thing called Lithic Liitchic. They're making money because
Speaker 1: this is a good idea. The primary question, the primary
Speaker 1: issue is the security of that information hub right in general,
Speaker 1: So as long as they don't run into any shenanigans,
Speaker 1: you're going to be fine. And as we said previously
Speaker 1: when we brought up the idea of hacks and debit
Speaker 1: versus credit card in general, your credit card is going
Speaker 1: to have a little bit more of a firewall and
Speaker 1: do your odds of escaping a hack or getting your
Speaker 1: money back at least are a little bit better with
Speaker 1: a credit card. I think it's cool. I am still
Speaker 1: like you, Noel, and probably like you Oz, I am
Speaker 1: still astounded that they got privacy dot com.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty impressive. It reminds me of things, you know,
Speaker 3: if we're talking about other ways that you can prevent
Speaker 3: yourself and information that maybe we're a little too fast
Speaker 3: and loose with on the Internet. It's passwords and there
Speaker 3: are these password wallet things where you can store all
Speaker 3: your passwords and have a master password that could be
Speaker 3: really complex, you know, and generated, and then it's tied
Speaker 3: to all of your passwords that you actually remember to
Speaker 3: unlock it. And at first was made aware of these
Speaker 3: quite a few years ago, and I can't remember the
Speaker 3: name of the one that I was turned on too,
Speaker 3: But I'm sure the technology has gotten better. But as
Speaker 3: we talk about these kinds of stories, we know you
Speaker 3: got to protect yourself against this kind of stuff because
Speaker 3: it's just getting easier and easier for your information to
Speaker 3: be compromised if you're not careful, and if you're just
Speaker 3: using the same one or two passwords for every service,
Speaker 3: then I know We've all probably been guilty of that
Speaker 3: from time to time. And it's easy to get overwhelmed
Speaker 3: because so many things want you to make a new account,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But I love the feeling of
Speaker 3: financial security that goes along with this particular service. And
Speaker 3: you know, even most things, there's only a very select
Speaker 3: few things that really require you to use a bank account.
Speaker 3: Some will offer you the option to use a bank
Speaker 3: account to link it to a bank account, but often
Speaker 3: you can use a credit card or a debit card
Speaker 3: or even Venmo or PayPal or something like that, and
Speaker 3: then you can pay those services with your actual debit
Speaker 3: card that could be ghosted by one of these. So
Speaker 3: it's a smart way to kind of protect yourself and
Speaker 3: protect your information. I was not aware of this service
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: You can use a gift card too, you know, like
Speaker 1: amex or Visa gift card.
Speaker 3: It's a similar same thing. What is that if not
Speaker 3: just like a store for well, it's a little different.
Speaker 3: I guess you put stuff on those. But this is
Speaker 3: like a what do you call it? An alias? Almost
Speaker 3: is what this is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's similar to the services that allow you
Speaker 1: to use a throwaway account. Email account when you have
Speaker 1: to sign up for something, right, Yes, there is always
Speaker 1: an opportunity for grift and graft. But this does seem
Speaker 1: to be to your point about true Pilot Better Business
Speaker 1: Bureau as well. It does seem to be a pretty
Speaker 1: popular thing. And I don't know, you know, you hear
Speaker 1: about all these hacks. You hear about the woeful op
Speaker 1: SEC problems of so many large companies, And I get
Speaker 1: it when I hear people say, I just want to
Speaker 1: use cash. But as we as we talked about years ago,
Speaker 1: physical currency is becoming less and less viable in many ways, right, Like.
Speaker 3: Some places won't even take it physical, you know, brick
Speaker 3: and mortar places that will not take cash anymore. So
Speaker 3: there's really no way to pay online using cash. He
Speaker 3: can't send it in the mail, you know, for your
Speaker 3: Amazon order.
Speaker 1: You can mail a check still, I'm sure it's somewhere
Speaker 1: buried in the options to Amazon. You really think so?
Speaker 1: They'll take your money?
Speaker 3: They like money, That's true anyway, As thank you. We
Speaker 3: keep this one a little quick, but I just thought
Speaker 3: it was a good pro tip for starting off the
Speaker 3: new year on a sound financial foot when it comes
Speaker 3: to online stuff. Was a quick break here a word
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Speaker 2: We've returned to guys. I was attempting to cancel my
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Speaker 2: about the privacy dot com and that thing just made
Speaker 2: me take a quick glance at my credit card app
Speaker 2: with all my like recurring subscriptions again, and I just
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Speaker 2: let us let's listen to the to this message from
Speaker 2: someone who called in with just a very cool question
Speaker 2: and maybe just a thought experiment for us to mull
Speaker 2: over for a little bit, because it is It's not
Speaker 2: something I've considered before. This person called in one time,
Speaker 2: called themselves pickles just in spur the moment, you know what,
Speaker 2: call me pickles now, and then called back with the
Speaker 2: moniker fickle pickle, which I do enjoy very much. It
Speaker 2: goes into our previous discussions about artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence,
Speaker 2: which is a whole other thing, and time travel. So
Speaker 2: let's get into it.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, call me the fickle pickle. If artificial intelligence
Speaker 4: invents time travel, what would it do? I had a
Speaker 4: sudden thought that only one of two things can exist,
Speaker 4: AGI or time travel. Think about it. If AGI will
Speaker 4: exist and time travel is possible, and AGI will inevitably
Speaker 4: invent time travel. If this happens, I would imagine we
Speaker 4: would see evidence of its use. Perhaps this proves only
Speaker 4: one can exist. But perhaps I'm wrong about this and
Speaker 4: it demonstrates that the oncoming AGI is either benevolent or
Speaker 4: does that see a practical use for time travel or
Speaker 4: even time itself?
Speaker 2: All right, bye the fickle pickle. Uh, just with a
Speaker 2: quick question in there, guys, This one has got me thinking. Okay,
Speaker 2: don Ton to artist. First of all, artificial general intelligence,
Speaker 2: this appears to be something that will exist in my mind.
Speaker 2: To me, that's an inevitability. What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Also, uh, I would pause. I've thought about this too.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, yeah, fickle Pickle man Noel code named duc
Speaker 1: AGI existing. Uh. There's there's a lot of great science
Speaker 1: fiction about the idea of something like this existing in
Speaker 1: the future, inventing time travel in linear time travel theory,
Speaker 1: and then ensuring that the conditions in the past are
Speaker 1: such that it can create itself.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But but why would it want to change anything if
Speaker 2: it knows that all of the particular things that occurred
Speaker 2: in the past occurred the way they did so that
Speaker 2: it could be born.
Speaker 1: Great question? Also, is this not an anthrocentric perspective?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, that's what you said there, fickle Pickle was the
Speaker 1: idea of thinking in human terms versus you asked this
Speaker 1: brilliant question, what does a non human mind think of
Speaker 1: linear time? Right? Especially understanding that AGI, which is again
Speaker 1: just the term of convenience apologies robot overlords, et cetera.
Speaker 1: AGI if it has quantum entanglement capabilities, may vary. It
Speaker 1: may not encounter time the way the meatheads do.
Speaker 2: Very true, very true to me. It goes to whether
Speaker 2: or not artificial general intelligence develops as a result of
Speaker 2: technology that's developed for a World War III conflict or
Speaker 2: something like that. And so if it's independent of let's say,
Speaker 2: whatever becomes World War three, and World War three occurs,
Speaker 2: and somehow these things are too completely independent sets of circumstances,
Speaker 2: then I could imagine the artificial general intelligence once it
Speaker 2: at some point in the timeline invents time travel, it
Speaker 2: could go back and prevent World War three and still
Speaker 2: maintain it's you know, it's creation, right, Okay, But if
Speaker 2: it's somehow in some way linked to something catastrophic, like
Speaker 2: a World War three massive depopulation moment that the Earth has,
Speaker 2: then it wouldn't want to go back, or it could
Speaker 2: not not want to, but it could not go back
Speaker 2: and prevent that catastrophe because it would also prevent itself
Speaker 2: from existence. I think maybe I'm wrong. I don't know
Speaker 2: that's the way I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're asking a great question, though, It's like,
Speaker 1: what's the so it's uh so agi artificial intelli general
Speaker 1: intelligence still a hypothetical concept. Officially, right, there has been
Speaker 1: no proven AGI publicly acknowledged at this point. We do
Speaker 1: know that, based on the current human research, the algorithmic processes,
Speaker 1: the deep dreams, the mid journeys, and so on, they
Speaker 1: will tend to function with a specific scope of inquiry.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this will happen, but Matt,
Speaker 1: I think it would be amazing if the first AGI
Speaker 1: is not trained in warfare, right, A lot of people
Speaker 1: are betting on that. I would love it. It would be
Speaker 1: classic human if the first AGI is like a specific,
Speaker 1: a cartoonishly specific algorithm, you know that just like rates
Speaker 1: the appearances of bananas and tomatoes in Western cinema, and
Speaker 1: one day it wakes up and it's like also time travel.
Speaker 2: I mean that's classic, that's dude. Yeah, totally, guys. I
Speaker 2: don't know really where else to go with this thought
Speaker 2: experiment besides just speculating on things like it. Okay, if
Speaker 2: the AGI could somehow time travel again, we're talking. It's
Speaker 2: all theoretical, it's all in the future. None of it
Speaker 2: exists yet, but it is. The time travel doesn't feel
Speaker 2: inevitable because it feels like somehow thermodynamics prevents going back
Speaker 2: on the timeline, But it does feel like it could
Speaker 2: at least travel to the future and see potential problems,
Speaker 2: potential you know, things that are going to arise. Then
Speaker 2: could make attempts in its present time to let's say,
Speaker 2: fix those problems, eradicate specific humans, or you know, prevent
Speaker 2: groups from gathering or I don't know. It does feel
Speaker 2: like that is a potential possibility.
Speaker 1: It's a good point pre crime, right, yeah, Well kill
Speaker 1: this baby. But you have to under stand in twenty
Speaker 1: one oh three that baby was the new Hitler.
Speaker 2: Well like in its concept of time, as you said,
Speaker 2: it's different. So in this current timeline, in this version
Speaker 2: of the multiverse, this is what is going to occur.
Speaker 2: So in order to jump timelines, essentially, we're going to
Speaker 2: prevent that person from being able to achieve those things. God,
Speaker 2: I don't know, But what.
Speaker 3: About the butterfly effect, Matt, Yeah, what about all the
Speaker 3: other catastrophic things that you're gonna throw off, throw out
Speaker 3: of balance by your irresponsible actions.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Maybe it doesn't see any of
Speaker 2: that as irresponsible. We don't know how it will think, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know what scope it was assigned to Right,
Speaker 1: it's like killing people in the present because there will
Speaker 1: not be enough tomatoes and Godfather five otherwise, or like whatever,
Speaker 1: like Jesus Scott forbid. Yeah, well, you know, Godfather forbid, right, indeed.
Speaker 1: But there's so much to ask about this because in
Speaker 1: this thought experiment we are also we are also directly
Speaker 1: interrogating the concept of the present as experienced by human beings. Right,
Speaker 1: is this therefore like, if all that is true and possible,
Speaker 1: is it therefore plausible that this present experience has already
Speaker 1: been kind of fussed with.
Speaker 2: Well, that would be the argument for things like the
Speaker 2: Mandela effect, right, Like, it's already happened a couple times,
Speaker 2: and it's either setting things up for its own creation
Speaker 2: or it is, you know, preventing things, and we've just
Speaker 2: jumped timelines a couple a couple times. It also, guys,
Speaker 2: this made me think tangentially about the fusion breakthrough that
Speaker 2: we had discussed. I don't know if we discussed it
Speaker 2: on air or we just like mentioned that it had occurred.
Speaker 2: But just at the end of last year, in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, there were some crazy breakthroughs like lab created
Speaker 2: experiments that made fusion energy an actual possibility, and we
Speaker 2: are looking at that. It's not going to happen in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, probably, but we are looking at a
Speaker 2: future where energy could be way more abundant and accessible
Speaker 2: and cheaper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh boy, you named three things that will terrify
Speaker 1: some members of the global status quo?
Speaker 2: Is it Angola that just left OPEK? That was another
Speaker 2: big piece of news, Like OPEK lost another member and
Speaker 2: it was only something like a million barrels per month
Speaker 2: or whatever it was, whatever however they measure it was
Speaker 2: a tiny percentage of all the oil that the oil
Speaker 2: producing countries create that are members of OPEK. But still
Speaker 2: it's another blow to one of these massive energy conglomerates,
Speaker 2: right or organizations that are based in petroleum. So it
Speaker 2: does make me feel like some big changes on the way.
Speaker 2: We just can't quite grasp it yet. There is another
Speaker 2: reason I feel like general AI is right around the corner.
Speaker 1: It's a statistical certitude at this point, right, like eventually
Speaker 1: there will be the ability for an algorithm to self improve.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the open ai debacle with q
Speaker 1: star that's q asterisk no relation to QAnon, Sorry folks.
Speaker 1: The idea that something could teach itself, could practice self improvement.
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. The question is how do you
Speaker 1: raise that kid? Is the kid like the mind? Is
Speaker 1: it built to identify insurrectionist to your point, Matt, Is
Speaker 1: it built to identify unlawful gatherings? Is it built to
Speaker 1: learn film trivia? Is it built to like make sure
Speaker 1: your refrigerator is that the right temperature? I think the
Speaker 1: origin story of this stuff will play a big role
Speaker 1: in how how humanity overall encounters the impact or actions
Speaker 1: of a mind like this. Sorry, that's a little academic.
Speaker 3: Once again got me thinking of a rival putting that
Speaker 3: out there. That's a sci fi film, and I guess
Speaker 3: based on a book that really hitting a lot of
Speaker 3: the kinds of you know, thinky concepts that we talk
Speaker 3: about when it comes to time travel and encountering interdimensional
Speaker 3: beings and the nature of language and you know, uh,
Speaker 3: the timeline and all of that stuff. I think that's
Speaker 3: one that really gets it right, or at the very
Speaker 3: least is one of the least kind of gimmicky uses
Speaker 3: of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I just watched a movie on Netflix that I really
Speaker 2: really really hoped I was going to enjoy. It's a
Speaker 2: new movie from Zack Snyder.
Speaker 3: You know you were going to say.
Speaker 2: You know, you know him.
Speaker 3: He's just a mish mash of like every kind of
Speaker 3: tired science fiction trope that you've seen a million times
Speaker 3: with But like in a Zack Snyder movie, it is Rebel.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's part one, and it's beautiful and it's got
Speaker 2: great Zack Snyder moments where you go into you know,
Speaker 2: the three hundred shots, you know, where you've got a
Speaker 2: jumping character and it's just epic and you get to
Speaker 2: experience this moving picture and it's just I love those parts.
Speaker 2: And the cast is incredible.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's just man, it was like there were
Speaker 6: so many characters and no real plot that ever got
Speaker 6: fulfilled or followed, and you're just gathering characters and no,
Speaker 6: you don't care enough about any of them.
Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, that one guy is a humble farmer, and
Speaker 1: it's important that someone says that every ten minutes.
Speaker 2: It was just I wanted to like it so badly
Speaker 2: and it's not. I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of kind of insufferable exposition to that
Speaker 3: doesn't really add anything, if anything, just kind of like
Speaker 3: as a.
Speaker 1: Slog No, he's a humble farmer.
Speaker 3: Okay, well it's because you.
Speaker 2: Again in my mind, and I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 2: some filmmaker. Alexis probably knows so much more about it,
Speaker 2: all this stuff. I'm no writer either. I just know
Speaker 2: that there were so many characters that were supposed to
Speaker 2: be so important to you as the viewer. You didn't
Speaker 2: have enough time to establish anyone or the internal world
Speaker 2: of any single person, even the main character. You don't
Speaker 2: I didn't give a crap about anybody because I know
Speaker 2: nothing about them. I know that one character in the
Speaker 2: very beginning, who's supposed to be our lead, says things
Speaker 2: like I'm so hardened from the war and I can't
Speaker 2: love anymore because of the war, of course, and also
Speaker 2: the war, and he's like.
Speaker 3: Oh god, what kind of feels like if you want
Speaker 3: a movie like this, Rogue One is sort of has
Speaker 3: done it the best.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That's a common people have been making. Also, shout out
Speaker 1: to our good friend Robert Evans behind the Bastards with
Speaker 1: the danger of using this is where I think you
Speaker 1: might be going met the idea of using quote unquote
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence to write a script right to tell a
Speaker 1: story that hits. Is that being alleged, not with this,
Speaker 1: not with Rebel in particular, but I'm saying it for me.
Speaker 1: It carries the same uncanny valley aspects. Right. It checks
Speaker 1: the boxes of what structural theory of writing tells us
Speaker 1: to do. Right, give a character, origin, a motivation, and
Speaker 1: a fear.
Speaker 2: Right, but you'll get.
Speaker 3: You'll get a very similar uncanny valley feel when things
Speaker 3: are written by committee or just written with the intent
Speaker 3: to tick boxes more than the intent to tell a story.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is this is where again we don't
Speaker 1: have any proof of this, but I think, I think
Speaker 1: maybe where we go with this is what if AGI
Speaker 1: exists in the future. What if it figured out the
Speaker 1: laws of thermodynamics and it threw it all out? Because
Speaker 1: what we need to understand every ten minutes is that
Speaker 1: this one character is a humble farmer, and that is
Speaker 1: part one of Rebel. I'm sorry, bet you got me
Speaker 1: because I just watched it as well, and I was
Speaker 1: checking in. It's like it takes you out of it
Speaker 1: a little bit, the same way that if you rewatch
Speaker 1: X files and you start noting how often people say
Speaker 1: Moulder's name, it gets really weird.
Speaker 2: Really well, I would say, putting uh, Sophia, I can't
Speaker 2: remember her last name the main character, putting that actor.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Putting her as the lead is one smartest things you
Speaker 2: could do. She's so badass on on screen. Just make
Speaker 2: her character, you know, three dimensional interesting? Good god, Okay, the.
Speaker 1: Fight scenes are great. The action scenes are great. They are,
Speaker 1: They're beautiful.
Speaker 2: Except for the Griffin. There's a scene a spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: sure's a Griffin. All of a sudden, a character with
Speaker 2: a griffin shows up that we didn't need at all
Speaker 2: for the story.
Speaker 1: As space Griffin. Well, it establishes the origin, the motivation,
Speaker 1: and the fear.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying is we didn't need him
Speaker 2: at all. We didn't need that character that was taming
Speaker 2: the Griffin. We didn't need the guy that was keeping
Speaker 2: the guy who tames Griffin's.
Speaker 1: No, you didn't well part two. Let's you know, we
Speaker 1: may have to eat some crow on this one, because
Speaker 1: when Part two comes.
Speaker 2: Out, Griffin really makes He makes the climax of the
Speaker 2: second movie work.
Speaker 3: Definitely made me climactions yeah you're talking.
Speaker 1: About yeah, yeah, and uh, you know, we boldly go
Speaker 1: into the future and Rebel Moon is kind of a
Speaker 1: film where they would put lines like that in the film.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, uh so much Rebel Moon. Tell us what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 1: Humble Farmer's glowing, Humble Farman. All right, we'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we have returned one more piece of listener mail,
Speaker 1: responding to our earlier conversation regarding Operation Prosperity, Guardian and
Speaker 1: the Red Sea and full disclosure. Picked this one entirely
Speaker 1: because of the cool way it is written. So without
Speaker 1: further ado, here's a word from our fellow conspiracy realist,
Speaker 1: dropkick are call me dropkick. I'd be saying for ten
Speaker 1: years now for those folks, or to replace the whalers.
Speaker 1: The oil is rich and mighty and bends the air
Speaker 1: of many a lan lubber statesman. I got a little
Speaker 1: Russian on that. Sorry, those guys.
Speaker 5: The situation that I had Sea as a beggar mind
Speaker 5: can comprehend. There's the Scottish, because so much is going
Speaker 5: on in non pirate voice. What this boils down to
Speaker 5: is control over vital choke points of world shipping. Iran
Speaker 5: and its proxies have no ability to project power outside
Speaker 5: funding rebel or terrorist groups so in order to show
Speaker 5: power or have leverage in future negotiations such as on sanctions,
Speaker 5: they have to do their bit in holding the Red
Speaker 5: Sea hostage. Iran and the Houthies hold the lives of
Speaker 5: the Eastern Hemisphere in their hands. Grain shipment's fuel, fertilizer, food,
Speaker 5: and any goods going back and forth from China and
Speaker 5: Southeast Asia to Europe or North Africa.
Speaker 2: Sounds like they need a humble farmer. Do you get
Speaker 2: those green shipments?
Speaker 1: Rebel Moon? Have you guys seen Rebel Moon Part one?
Speaker 1: It's big in the space farming unity. They got a
Speaker 1: griffin as well, your face of that one. So Rebel
Speaker 1: Moon aside, our pal Dropkick says China is actually losing
Speaker 1: in this situation because they are the largest consumer of
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern oil and need their products that go to
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean to pass through the Suez. That's the Suez
Speaker 1: Canal for cheap, efficient commerce that benefits everyone. And here
Speaker 1: our pal Dropkick responds to our conversation earlier, Matt, I
Speaker 1: think you directly asked why is the US involved in this?
Speaker 1: So Dropkick says, the world needs shipping in order to
Speaker 1: keep people alive and fed. Messing with that is a
Speaker 1: dangerous game. I personally know people on ships in the region,
Speaker 1: and these are just your average guys who want to
Speaker 1: send money home to their families and drink beer in
Speaker 1: new and exciting locations.
Speaker 2: Wait, they've got humble farmers already.
Speaker 3: The coast is just lined with them, guys.
Speaker 1: Revel Moon does have a humble farmer in it, and
Speaker 1: it's important for us to remember that. So Dropkick says,
Speaker 1: the Houthis claim they're firing all the dirt. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: a humble farmer.
Speaker 3: Okay, you'll farm.
Speaker 1: Anything basically because it's space, and they.
Speaker 3: Won't brag about it either.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of non specific talk about crops and
Speaker 1: bushels for some anyway, So Dropkick says the Houthies these
Speaker 1: are real life bad guys. The Houthis claim they are
Speaker 1: firing only on Israeli affiliated ships, but honestly, that is
Speaker 1: just a cover for the global audience. What's really happening,
Speaker 1: says Dropkick, is a hail Mary of the Kim Jong variety.
Speaker 1: I imagine means Kim Jong un or Kim Jong ill.
Speaker 1: Both of them did this kind of stuff. What is
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff? Shoot missiles make people scared, be
Speaker 1: an annoyance, Go to the negotiation table and see what
Speaker 1: you can get. Repeat, rinse of repeat means anyway, it
Speaker 1: ends like this, may the winds.
Speaker 3: Be ever at your favor?
Speaker 1: Drop? I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's that's it's a pirate voice, a broche Bruges. Is
Speaker 3: that exclusively Irish and Scottish? Or or can it brogue
Speaker 3: be other types of very intense accents?
Speaker 1: It's a it's American English?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, like Drew right, I think it's I think
Speaker 7: traditionally it is a specific Irish style.
Speaker 3: It's also a strong outdoor shoe. It's an ornamental, perforated pattern.
Speaker 3: I'm the word wrong now, I'm very clearly spelling the
Speaker 3: word wrong.
Speaker 1: No, you got it. Broogues really yeah, yeah, brogue is
Speaker 1: the type of shoe as well.
Speaker 2: Is that like that movie in Oh No, No, it's
Speaker 2: it says, it says in Bruges is different than but
Speaker 2: a brogue is an.
Speaker 3: Informal term for a distinctive regional accent. So a pirate,
Speaker 3: that's absolutely a brogue. It is especially associated with Irish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think traditionally did that, but any regional learned
Speaker 1: something today fell we learned lots today we our listeners,
Speaker 1: we've got a yes, thank you, fellow conspiracy realist. We
Speaker 1: also have to we have to note that the idea
Speaker 1: here is important to remember when we look at things
Speaker 1: like Operation Prosperity Guardian. Is the concept then that you
Speaker 1: just raise enough of a ruckus to get some leverage
Speaker 1: at the negotiating table. Ran, by the way, has ideologies aside.
Speaker 1: Just look at the resources. Iran is now working toward
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon again, or a nuclear capability. And again,
Speaker 1: if you check out our earlier episodes on how nuclear
Speaker 1: power works, how use technology works, you will absolutely see
Speaker 1: the pickle here, the fickle pickle. We say we're doing
Speaker 1: call Project twenty twenty five, all the callbacks. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you think then, do you guys, I'd love your
Speaker 1: opinion as we close this out. Do you all think
Speaker 1: that this could be a negotiation game? Like is the
Speaker 1: idea to become enough of an annoyance that you may
Speaker 1: get some sort of concessions once you get to the table.
Speaker 3: Always be negotiating. It's the pirate way.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I I don't know. I'm I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: recall a lot of the news stories that have been
Speaker 2: coming out recently about specifically the US, and maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking that because that's the news we're exposed to.
Speaker 2: But the US upping its security forces within the Red
Speaker 2: Sea because you know, they've the whole region has had
Speaker 2: to stop or at least slow down a lot of
Speaker 2: the shipments moving through there. So the response, at least
Speaker 2: from I guess the foes of people attempting to run
Speaker 2: this game is going to be more big ships with
Speaker 2: bigger guns, with more troops that can possibly jump to
Speaker 2: your ship, you know, and actually do the pirate thing
Speaker 2: right and take you out of the water. Which feels
Speaker 2: like a very dangerous game. But if it is just
Speaker 2: to be an annoyance enough that you can have some
Speaker 2: kind of leverage at the bargaining table, then maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I will point out one thing that doesn't
Speaker 1: quite apples to apples for us in the negotiation comparison.
Speaker 1: The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a nuclear power,
Speaker 1: and it is very well known, very well established through
Speaker 1: historical precedent, that the best way to have some degree
Speaker 1: of autonomy as a nation state is to possess a
Speaker 1: world killer like a nuclear weapon. The the Houthi organization,
Speaker 1: terrorist organization does not have that. People's lives in Yemen suck,
Speaker 1: and people who live in Yemen again are for the
Speaker 1: most part, just like those guys on the ships that
Speaker 1: are getting attacked by drones. They just want to hang
Speaker 1: out and have a decent life. The nation of Iran,
Speaker 1: which clearly clearly funds you know, Hezblajamas and huthis a
Speaker 1: Palestinian national, just got shot, by the way for saying
Speaker 1: or executed for saying that out loud in the least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Iran wants to be a nuclear power because it
Speaker 1: makes sense from their perspective. They have been shown time
Speaker 1: and time again that that is the only safety they
Speaker 1: will have as as their current state as a theocracy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't see that kind of
Speaker 1: negotiation tactic working. Well. What you could say, the who
Speaker 1: he could do is just go to the Red Sea
Speaker 1: say look, I'm a humble farmer.
Speaker 2: You could start that way, but then you got to
Speaker 2: find an old drunken general that's past his prime, that's
Speaker 2: been disgraced, make sure you sober that guy up, and
Speaker 2: then yell at him for literally two minutes and convince
Speaker 2: him to join your cause. And then you get some
Speaker 2: kind of prints that contain Griffin's you know, just for fun.
Speaker 2: What else do you need? Oh, you need a swordsman,
Speaker 2: a swordswoman who is on a path of vengeance something
Speaker 2: about her kids, and then get her to kill an
Speaker 2: awesome spider creature and then she can join up too.
Speaker 2: And I think there's another one the brother of a
Speaker 2: brother sister duo who for some reason I don't know,
Speaker 2: they're in some kind of rebel alliance.
Speaker 1: There we go, so I never I'm gonna you guys know,
Speaker 1: I love learning stuff. And and one of the dumbest
Speaker 1: people I know, what was the First Order doing in
Speaker 1: the New Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Being kind of Nazis, sort of pushing for fascism and
Speaker 3: ruling the universe with an iron fists. Perhaps some level
Speaker 3: of enslavement, but I don't know. It's a little vague.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't get there, like.
Speaker 3: Bad attitudes.
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to talk to Adam Driver. He knows
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know that he does. I think he just
Speaker 3: collected the check.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I don't think so well.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the sip Flords also Adam Driver, great
Speaker 1: comedic timing.
Speaker 3: That guy is amazing and you've seen him on the
Speaker 3: They had to take him off the circuit for the
Speaker 3: Ferrari stuff because some guy asks him, so the car
Speaker 3: crashes in the movie. They were a little bit little cheesy.
Speaker 3: What do you say to that? He goes, go yourself?
Speaker 3: Next question, shut out?
Speaker 1: Also a marine. You guys know that, right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna determinism too. That guy was meant to
Speaker 3: play Ferrari.
Speaker 2: He's awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh he's the jam dude. But do you think he
Speaker 3: was a first thing to play a SIF character. I
Speaker 3: don't think so. I think that was a money sitch.
Speaker 1: It's a sorry character. Though it's so cool. Who would
Speaker 1: not want to sling around a lightsaber?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 1: On film?
Speaker 3: It was cool. It was certainly better than some of them. Anyway,
Speaker 3: it was fine. I just don't care, y'all. I don't
Speaker 3: care about Star Wars stuff. And that's why I'm not
Speaker 3: really even compelled to join the club and making fun
Speaker 3: of this rebel moon with you guys, even though it
Speaker 3: sounds like a lot of fun. I probably will, We're not.
Speaker 1: He's a humble farmer.
Speaker 3: I know he is.
Speaker 5: The man.
Speaker 2: They're only gonna have twelve thousand bear what if they
Speaker 2: call it bushels and these bad guys are like, we
Speaker 2: need ten and they're like, but that's only going to
Speaker 2: leave us with two thousand barrels. We're gonna starve. It's
Speaker 2: a it's really important.
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins does the voiceover, doesn't he tell?
Speaker 3: Does he really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You're back in now, aren't you?
Speaker 3: Am? You had me at the Hopster. You've seen that
Speaker 3: guy's Instagram. It's a delight. Also shout out the punchy character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, shout out to shout out to Anthony Hopkins,
Speaker 1: because you know we're we're going into twenty twenty four together, folks,
Speaker 1: and thank you for tuning in. And we were projecting
Speaker 1: positive energy. The secret is sort of pseudo side. It's
Speaker 1: a woo wooie. But if it's not hurting anybody, then
Speaker 1: one should have cool things to say, supportive things to say,
Speaker 1: just like, okay, last time, last time, I will never
Speaker 1: make that joke again. One thing to brag on Anthony Hopkins,
Speaker 1: though that guy only does acting so he can pursue
Speaker 1: his true love, which is classic piano fabulous fabulous.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the wo wo or the kind of intersection
Speaker 3: perhaps between wu WU stuff and stuff that actually works
Speaker 3: and the science and all of that. Did you guys
Speaker 3: here I forget some very reputable Uh. I believe in
Speaker 3: Ivy League University and I'm trying to find it is
Speaker 3: teaching multiple classes in reiki, and there have been studies
Speaker 3: now showing that there is something to the results that
Speaker 3: go along with being treated by reiki, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have not heard that.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to.
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Speaker 3: real fomo. Guys, I think I'm gonna go up after
Speaker 3: this recording. Make some beef stew and settle into Rebel.
Speaker 2: Really should check out genlem alone as this weird spider thing.
Speaker 2: It's so spider good again.
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