Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you, and that's what you really miss podcast.
Speaker 1: This is Michael. Uh huh, jem it's a lot of that.
Speaker 1: This is the Kevin McHale episode No no, no no. Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is season three, episode eleven Michael that originally aired
Speaker 2: January thirty first, twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow, lot going on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The number one song in the country was set Fire
Speaker 2: to the Rain by Adele.
Speaker 1: The number one view was The Gray I don't not
Speaker 1: a real movie.
Speaker 2: I remember this one. I remember the poster in my head.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was a real movie.
Speaker 2: Then some Glee news. On the twenty ninth of January,
Speaker 2: we went to the SAG Awards because we were nominated
Speaker 2: for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble Comedy Series. But we lost.
Speaker 2: We're sandwiched between two losses.
Speaker 1: Correct, So the first year we lost, the second year
Speaker 1: we won, the third year we lost. Is that right?
Speaker 2: I think we won the first year.
Speaker 1: No, Kevin, we didn't win. This year. Modern Family won.
Speaker 2: No, the first year we went. This was not the
Speaker 2: first year.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you're right. So we won and then
Speaker 1: we were on the downward spy. Yeah, got it, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Okay, good call, good call. But you look
Speaker 1: great in these photos. By the way. Oh thanks, I
Speaker 1: really like this look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it a lot. The hair, the makeup,
Speaker 2: the dress, it's all working.
Speaker 1: Thanks, appreciate it. You know, think about about Hollywood hair
Speaker 1: and makeup. Look, you get really glammed up for award
Speaker 1: shows like this, and it's yeh are really pretty funny
Speaker 1: if you feel good about your look. So if you
Speaker 1: feel good about the dress that you're getting into and
Speaker 1: you're excited to go show it up, that's awesome. A
Speaker 1: lot of times a lot of stress around and there's
Speaker 1: not all the time, and you're like, oh okay, and then
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, but this looks really good on you,
Speaker 1: and you're like are you sure and they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like okay, and then you get in and
Speaker 1: you're like, I should have listened to my instinct, but
Speaker 1: we were so young and it wasn't until like I
Speaker 1: found my people that you know, kind of got me
Speaker 1: and was like, people like to really take a risk
Speaker 1: and be like you should do something like this editorial
Speaker 1: and looking and blah blah, blah, and there are so
Speaker 1: many looks that I was pitched and was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's try it. And then I get to the carpet
Speaker 1: and I'm like, never again, I just don't right, And
Speaker 1: I feel like half of my makeup never looked like
Speaker 1: me or my hair, and like nowadays, it would be
Speaker 1: so different if we were in this realm because we
Speaker 1: were very specific and we know what works and what doesn't.
Speaker 1: But finally, like this is one of them that I
Speaker 1: was like, this is like of the ten percent that
Speaker 1: I feel like I wasn't just trying to take a
Speaker 1: risk for the hell of it. Like I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I really like this and this feels like me, but anyway,
Speaker 1: that's I.
Speaker 2: Just I agree. Same for me for the outfit of this.
Speaker 2: My hair and makeup not so much. I love your
Speaker 2: what do they call that?
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called. This a little like
Speaker 1: bow tie ish thing. It's like shape Scott, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like I really like it. I like it a lot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we were like experimenting in real time, like
Speaker 2: in front of cameras and so like learning about what
Speaker 2: fits you, what compliments your shape.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and like what is and what's not like what
Speaker 1: emanates your personality versus what doesn't. Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went on so many carbets though. It's like hard
Speaker 1: to not take risks. I guess like you're like.
Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah, that's always like I don't care, let's just
Speaker 2: try it. And so many times it did not work,
Speaker 2: especially for like the like things like teen Choice Awards,
Speaker 2: where it was like a little sillier, yes, you're like, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll wear this ridiculous thing.
Speaker 1: Generally for my teen Joy's word ones, they all were
Speaker 1: very like me, whereas the very glamorous red carpets like
Speaker 1: the big award shows, I felt like I had to
Speaker 1: step it up, and so I was doing things that
Speaker 1: didn't feel quite.
Speaker 2: Makes sense as yeah, yeah, but give less practice with that.
Speaker 1: It's so true. It's so true, and you like there's
Speaker 1: more pressure, the stakes are higher.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, And then you get on there and then
Speaker 2: there's just all these really famous people looking incredible and.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, honestly, that's the good thing. They didn't
Speaker 1: have to look at us at all. True.
Speaker 2: So this episode is a monster. There are so many songs,
Speaker 2: so much so that if you've watched it recently, anyone,
Speaker 2: like the dialogue is almost being cut off off so
Speaker 2: song can start. And on the flip side, songs are
Speaker 2: like being cut off in dialogues, overlapping so you can
Speaker 2: fit in everything.
Speaker 1: And there was a deleted, fully shot number by the
Speaker 1: Warblers that we talked about and it's crazy because it's
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: So it's gone so around this time as this episode,
Speaker 2: we never thought we'd do a Michael episode. Zach Woodley,
Speaker 2: the choreographer, and I had talked about it. I think
Speaker 2: during season two every he was standing outside the auditorium
Speaker 2: soundstage and he's like, do you think we're going to
Speaker 2: do a Michael episode? And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about it? He's like, I don't
Speaker 2: think we should mm. He's like I'm trying to Yeah,
Speaker 2: It's like I don't. I'm like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: think you're right. And up to that point, I was like,
Speaker 2: we have to do Michael. We're doing all these themed
Speaker 2: episodes now. And then season three rolled around and when
Speaker 2: we had been talking to Ryan about, you know, we
Speaker 2: need to get back to doing different versions of songs
Speaker 2: that aren't just like straight up covers, he asked Harry
Speaker 2: and I, because we were the ones talking to him
Speaker 2: about Michael to come pitch to the writers crazy. So
Speaker 2: Harry and I were like, uh, okay, we met in
Speaker 2: his trailer. We threw together sort of like a little PowerPoint.
Speaker 2: But we did a lot of research on YouTube and
Speaker 2: different Michael songs that we like, not trying to inform
Speaker 2: any sort of story or anything, because yeah, we are
Speaker 2: not writers. We're not pitching storylines, plotlines anything like that.
Speaker 2: But here's a selection of music and different versions that
Speaker 2: you could do, and not even saying who's going to
Speaker 2: sing what parts, but just presenting ideas. Wow and so.
Speaker 2: And we had found, you know, covers online of people
Speaker 2: doing a cappella versions of songs, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the songs that we pitched did not make it in however,
Speaker 2: version they clearly understood what we were going for in
Speaker 2: terms of finding different versions of the songs because we
Speaker 2: had different just like there's a capella version of bad,
Speaker 2: there's an a capella version of I don't remember what
Speaker 2: the song was, now rock with you, I think. And
Speaker 2: so I was very relieved in the sense of, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're not doing straight up covers for most of these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were very versatile and well done in finding
Speaker 1: different renditions, and I really like human nature even with
Speaker 1: core playing. It was so great.
Speaker 2: It was beautiful. It was also it was so weird.
Speaker 2: We're friends of all the writers and everything by this point, right,
Speaker 2: and so you go into like the writer's room on
Speaker 2: the lot, which is someplace sometimes i'd go to hang
Speaker 2: out at lunch or something, but yeah, never infringe on
Speaker 2: their work, and you're never a part of the work.
Speaker 2: It was very, very strange. They're all sitting on the
Speaker 2: sides of this boardroom looking table, looking at us. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so was Ryan and there. I don't remember. I don't
Speaker 2: think so. I feel like you would have remembered that.
Speaker 2: But it was, Yeah, it was everybody else, Brad and
Speaker 2: Ian and God, and it was They were obviously all
Speaker 2: very very nice, and we were very much trying to
Speaker 2: make the point of we're not trying to tell you
Speaker 2: to do your jobs. Ryan told us to come do this.
Speaker 2: Sorry we're here, but you're like some ideas, if you
Speaker 2: want to think about this.
Speaker 1: Well, of all the people pitching, it's like the two
Speaker 1: of you are the most kind of like humble and
Speaker 1: just music musically driven and know Michael the best, so
Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. It didn't come out of nowur.
Speaker 2: It's not like, of course, I think both of us
Speaker 2: were like felt really protective over like, if we're going
Speaker 2: to do this, we need to really do it right,
Speaker 2: and I think we did. I think we did do
Speaker 2: some cool things in this episode. Not all of them,
Speaker 2: but I think there are a lot of really cool
Speaker 2: okay versions.
Speaker 1: I also, yeah, to hear your thoughts. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts. Okay.
Speaker 2: So Alfonso had the duty of directing this Mammoth episode,
Speaker 2: Alfonso Goon.
Speaker 1: We have a special appearance by two Cellos for one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic numbers that we did in this episode,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jennet, let's switch off.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: First song was want to be starting something bad? Yes,
Speaker 2: scream never can say goodbye human Nature? Ben Smooth Criminal?
Speaker 1: Did you pitch Ben?
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I thought. I just can't stop loving
Speaker 1: you just here. I had to know you wanted to
Speaker 1: know who to be mad at? Yeah, exactly black or White?
Speaker 1: And the deleted I want you back. Before we get
Speaker 1: into this episode, I just want to talk about something
Speaker 1: because this is the beginning of Jenna Unhinged. It happens
Speaker 1: for this episode, and it happens for a Spanish teacher,
Speaker 1: and you'll see Tina in I want to be starting
Speaker 1: something and bad, and then she disappears and nowhere to
Speaker 1: be found, and nobody says anything because the episode had
Speaker 1: already been written. We shot this in between the holiday season,
Speaker 1: so we shot the first half on the after Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and we shot the second half when we returned. Now,
Speaker 1: as you can see, Tina wasn't didn't need to be there.
Speaker 1: There was no issue on her not actually being in
Speaker 1: any of these numbers, and that was written. So when
Speaker 1: I saw this script, it had already been a few
Speaker 1: episodes of Tina aside from Hold On to six, a
Speaker 1: few episodes of TEENA just really not doing anything at all.
Speaker 1: I started to lose my mind a little bit. And
Speaker 1: people started to act out around this time, and had
Speaker 1: started to act out around this time. Everybody, right, none,
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to generalize that, but I just
Speaker 1: say that because I'm not going to name names. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people started acting out and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: if they're going to act out, then I'm really pissed
Speaker 1: because I have no storylines then why the f should
Speaker 1: I not start acting out and then maybe getting some storylines.
Speaker 1: And this was really bad for me mentally because maybe Kevin,
Speaker 1: you can speak to this a little bit. We weren't
Speaker 1: getting written for. I wasn't getting written for. I felt
Speaker 1: there were a lot of characters, new characters coming in
Speaker 1: and Tina. They never really understood what to do it
Speaker 1: to begin with. And I feel like maybe in the
Speaker 1: later seasons when people go to New York, there's more
Speaker 1: time and room for a Tina, But like earlier on,
Speaker 1: I felt very underused and it started to I started
Speaker 1: to question my worth. I started to question my talent
Speaker 1: and if I was if I belonged there, and if
Speaker 1: I was expendable and so, and I was made to
Speaker 1: feel that way a little bit. So it was a
Speaker 1: combination of those things that basically I became unhinged and
Speaker 1: I was acting out. I was talking back, acting in
Speaker 1: a way that I would never in my that Jenma's
Speaker 1: character would normally not. And I talked about characters like integrity,
Speaker 1: like I would never do that again, but like it
Speaker 1: was really bad, and so the producers at some point
Speaker 1: I remember having going in to do the scene I
Speaker 1: think where you become unhinged actually, or maybe it was
Speaker 1: a little bit before that. I think it was the
Speaker 1: scene where you became unhinged in the show to Dartie,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to get out of
Speaker 1: this day. I want to get out of this. So
Speaker 1: I just I said I wasn't coming out of my trailer.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember this. I started, I started to
Speaker 1: tell our ad that I think I was having starting
Speaker 1: to have panic attacks. I remember that I wasn't really
Speaker 1: having a pancake. I was just really really upset that
Speaker 1: day and really wanted to get out. And I think
Speaker 1: there was something else that triggered it in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the day. And I think maybe somebody else made
Speaker 1: to comment, or maybe it was just me. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not blaming you know, I mean not to blame anybody else,
Speaker 1: but there was something that I just said, I can't
Speaker 1: be here anymore. This day is getting And these Michael
Speaker 1: D's were really long. And you could come back from
Speaker 1: a break a Christmas break, right, So imagine coming back
Speaker 1: from trying to feel revived and feel refreshed and renewed
Speaker 1: to come back to your job and excited. And then
Speaker 1: you come back and you're like, this ship is the
Speaker 1: same and I'm miserable here right now. So imagine that,
Speaker 1: and then imagine being called into the producer's office and
Speaker 1: being said, we don't know what's going on with you.
Speaker 1: We can't legally say anything that we think that's going
Speaker 1: on with you, but we think you should take a vacation.
Speaker 1: And so they didn't ask how I was doing, They
Speaker 1: didn't ask if I needed anything, they didn't ask why.
Speaker 1: They just said I needed to go away. Granted, look,
Speaker 1: I was getting I got I was getting paid anyway.
Speaker 1: He wasn't paid vacation. And then there was like rumors
Speaker 1: that had started around and I'm sure you were around
Speaker 1: some of that, and there were obviously when you're not
Speaker 1: there and they're not and you're not able to tell
Speaker 1: people why you're going, like I just went home after that,
Speaker 1: literally went home, and nobody tells you, like you can't
Speaker 1: tell anybody. This is why the rumors start. And granted,
Speaker 1: I was also in a relationship at the time that
Speaker 1: I had very much had a life outside of the
Speaker 1: show that not a lot of people knew about, except
Speaker 1: maybe for you, because we lived together yeap, And there
Speaker 1: was like a whole other life happening for me, and
Speaker 1: so there was a time where I felt like I
Speaker 1: was out of control. And then I actually started to
Speaker 1: have panic attacks because I started to spiral that I
Speaker 1: wasn't there to defend myself and I didn't know what
Speaker 1: was being said about me. And there's a few of
Speaker 1: you guys that I had pulled side, and we went
Speaker 1: to lunch or whatever and like just talked about what
Speaker 1: was going on and my feelings about everything. And I
Speaker 1: talked to a few cast members on text and phone
Speaker 1: calls trying to explain, and some people were very supportive.
Speaker 1: Some people were actually just trying to explain to me
Speaker 1: that like that I can't act out like other people
Speaker 1: can because I'm not in a position of that and
Speaker 1: so maybe I could lose my job, and so they
Speaker 1: were looking out for me. But all to say, we
Speaker 1: would live in a we if that happened today into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, it would have been
Speaker 1: a very different conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have happened correct in the
Speaker 2: first place. Yes, you're a crack.
Speaker 1: So it's very upsetting to watch this episode for multiple reasons,
Speaker 1: because it takes me back to a time where I
Speaker 1: really was not in a good place with the show.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a good relationship and being treated that
Speaker 1: way and treating the show that way, you know, like
Speaker 1: taking accountability for the way I was acting and treating
Speaker 1: the show that I loved so much that way. But
Speaker 1: it's like being in a bad relationship at the time.
Speaker 1: It felt like being in that relationship was like this
Speaker 1: was bringing out the worst in me, not the best.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, I love this episode, the content of
Speaker 1: it and your performance and a lot of people's performances
Speaker 1: in this episode, but it takes me back to a
Speaker 1: very very specific place, and it's very strange, very very strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't like, I can't imagine to a certain
Speaker 2: extent because yeah, I mean I guess I was there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I also what I find most striking about what
Speaker 2: you just said was that we were doing a scene
Speaker 2: and then you had the thought, I just need to
Speaker 2: get out of here, because that's not you like you,
Speaker 2: especially when you're at work. You're there to work, you're
Speaker 2: giving one hundred percent, We're going to do it. And
Speaker 2: for you to get to a point where you felt
Speaker 2: like I'm going to get out of the work day,
Speaker 2: like it's not a normal rational thing to have, which
Speaker 2: means like you were at point, yeah, like you had
Speaker 2: to physically separate yourself from the situation.
Speaker 1: Yes, I couldn't be there anymore. I actually physically, like
Speaker 1: physically couldn't be there anymore.
Speaker 2: And I think it was also a lesson for all
Speaker 2: of us. Unfortunately in this god you were somehow always
Speaker 2: in the position of like being is not the right word,
Speaker 2: but like the person who got the brunt of some
Speaker 2: things on behalf of all of us from like the
Speaker 2: higher ups, Like we sent an email and like the
Speaker 2: first season or something when we had concerns about something
Speaker 2: and was signed all of us, but it came from
Speaker 2: Jenna's email, and then she got in trouble because she
Speaker 2: sent the email, but it was from all of us.
Speaker 2: So there were things like that happening. And I remember
Speaker 2: being on set and people being like crew members being
Speaker 2: like it is Jenn, Okay, what's happening with gentlemen, she's signed,
Speaker 2: It's not it's not as because it ended up being
Speaker 2: the way a lot of things were dealt with, meaning
Speaker 2: they weren't dealt with, and then that person just disappeared
Speaker 2: from the episode. Yes, and I think that watching you
Speaker 2: sort of crack when you're not someone who ever would normally,
Speaker 2: and then of course you're acting out because we see
Speaker 2: other people act out, and then they get whole episodes
Speaker 2: written about them, or they get time off to go
Speaker 2: do other jobs, and they're having storylines, and so then
Speaker 2: you feel it's like this, you feel gas lit. Because
Speaker 2: I have to say, when the term gas light became
Speaker 2: such a huge term a couple of years ago, I
Speaker 2: thought back to many instances of watching people being gaslet,
Speaker 2: whether it was cast a cast producers to cast of producers. Totally,
Speaker 2: there were so many instances of that and I didn't
Speaker 2: know what I was observing, and then being able to
Speaker 2: put that word to it, Yeah, was pretty mind blowing
Speaker 2: for me. And I think this is one of those
Speaker 2: moments where yes, and I don't necessarily think theres anyone
Speaker 2: to blame, because you look back and like, we didn't
Speaker 2: have the dialogue or the knowledge or the time or
Speaker 2: the time to really think deeply about these things and
Speaker 2: care for people. Now we do because we talk about
Speaker 2: it when we're not working, and.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows, yes, yeah, you know, that's totally right, It's
Speaker 1: totally there, really isn't anybody to blame that. It was
Speaker 1: just a collective effort of things and from the I
Speaker 1: mean I remember even on the tour there was some
Speaker 1: drama going on at one point, and again it's not
Speaker 1: my story to tell, but there were some cast that
Speaker 1: was going to actually be sent home and multiple cast
Speaker 1: members and it really was very minimal and it happened
Speaker 1: for like a thirty minute thought process. I think it
Speaker 1: went through like in us being like that can happen.
Speaker 1: You can't send them home, Like it's just not gonna that.
Speaker 1: We can't do that. But it's like just the thought
Speaker 1: process of where they were at the time. The producers
Speaker 1: were at the time going like we'll just extricate it
Speaker 1: from is the issue and like not deal with it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how things are handled, you know.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense in a small way because like
Speaker 2: we don't have the time or money to waste, so
Speaker 2: like let's just remove the problem, right, But then that
Speaker 2: goes to reinforce all the things like what you were
Speaker 2: feeling that you're expendable.
Speaker 1: Totally like okay, I'll get kind of right. Instead of
Speaker 1: being asked how we are and if there's anything that
Speaker 1: we need or could help with, or how can we
Speaker 1: find a solution. So anyway, I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: too much time on it, but Tina disappears, and it's
Speaker 1: I think it's an important topic that you know, like
Speaker 1: other people I'm sure went through we saw people crack
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously those are in our stories to tell.
Speaker 1: But this is our podcast, so I get to tell my.
Speaker 2: I mean there were yeah, there were several and sometimes
Speaker 2: if you caught someone on the right day, they were
Speaker 2: understanding about things. But mm hmm, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: the time was just like you're crazy and ungrateful, that's it.
Speaker 1: I think it was like you guys are making so
Speaker 1: much money, like I mean relative right, you know, and
Speaker 1: look look at you and your you know, look at
Speaker 1: your life, and so it's a it was a hard
Speaker 1: balance to find and it was really this was really
Speaker 1: the darkest time. This is my dark time of way.
Speaker 2: I do think it's important that you talk about it
Speaker 2: for a number of reasons. And one I know we
Speaker 2: keep referencing how like, oh, when we do the Michael episode,
Speaker 2: I keep saying, like the wheels have fully fallen off.
Speaker 2: I think this story is very indicative of the time
Speaker 2: because it wasn't just you who like it was everything,
Speaker 2: and I think you were like the shining example of
Speaker 2: how everyone in every department was sort of cracking awesome, right,
Speaker 2: Like it sort of felt like, yeah, oh, she's the
Speaker 2: most identifiable thing that's going on right now, so we'll.
Speaker 1: Just pick that one and get it rid of it
Speaker 1: for the moment.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because there's a moment too where I guess
Speaker 2: we'll just talk about it now when we were shooting
Speaker 2: black or white, she just talked about that now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we were shooting black or white. It was taking
Speaker 2: a really long time, and a lot of us were
Speaker 2: sort of I think in Jenna's company in terms of
Speaker 2: none of us were acting the most professionally because we
Speaker 2: I don't for whatever reason, we were all tired and
Speaker 2: it sort.
Speaker 1: Of had it.
Speaker 2: It was a really hard shoot and it sounds so
Speaker 2: ungrateful and brady, and I'm fully aware of that because
Speaker 2: some of it was. I think a lot of it
Speaker 2: was like because you get used to your little bubble
Speaker 2: and everything's taken care of for us, and like, we
Speaker 2: do have these fancy expectations. Yes, so we're shooting this episode.
Speaker 2: The cameras haven't moved. We've been shooting for eight hours,
Speaker 2: and we were all a little confused as to like,
Speaker 2: normally the number, this number is not complicated, why this
Speaker 2: is taking so long, Like we have so much to do,
Speaker 2: Like how do we speed this up? And then we
Speaker 2: decided as a group, this is also we would never
Speaker 2: normally do this. Somebody texted Brad, somebody texted Ryan, oh
Speaker 2: my god, saying similar things of like somebody needs to
Speaker 2: get to set because we don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: No one's spoken to us in hours. We're doing the
Speaker 2: same thing over and over, and normally the last shot
Speaker 2: we would do is steady cam Andrew would get on
Speaker 2: the stage and do all the close ups. Like we
Speaker 2: haven't even done that. We've already been shooting.
Speaker 1: This for eight hours. That's a really long time.
Speaker 2: And so they show up, both of them, and they're like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And we explain it, like okay. Then
Speaker 2: they go talk to Alfonso in the camera department and
Speaker 2: they come back and sort of just lay into us
Speaker 2: because like you your job is not to be concerned
Speaker 2: about what the cameras are doing, like your job like
Speaker 2: and also they're like well we heard your dance was
Speaker 2: sloppy and they had to call zach in and that's
Speaker 2: why it's been taking right And maybe it was I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. And so there was like a
Speaker 2: full breakdown in communication. Oho, and that was the last
Speaker 2: time Ryan ever came to set until the very end
Speaker 2: of the show. Oh he stopped coming to set. Wow,
Speaker 2: because something had broke us. I mean something had broken Yes,
Speaker 2: in so many different levels, Yes, yes, yes, because I
Speaker 2: think he was done with us, like you guys are
Speaker 2: just like shitty and braddy, Yeah, and like how dare
Speaker 2: you complain? And to an a certain extent, I think
Speaker 2: he's right, right, yeah, yeah, wow, And so I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was that's what was going on underneath this.
Speaker 1: Entire beautiful episode of Michael. Yeah. And to be fair,
Speaker 1: like on a show likely like you know when you said,
Speaker 1: like Elidie Keane came in for the first time early
Speaker 1: in season one and asked like how do we do this?
Speaker 1: And we kind of like tell these structures like this
Speaker 1: is kind of how it's done. I'm sure you've heard,
Speaker 1: like you know, and this is generally our formula because
Speaker 1: it's never been done before. There was a sense of
Speaker 1: ownership over our house that we were like, this is
Speaker 1: how things are done, and not that we implied it
Speaker 1: in that kind of dominant way, but like, this is
Speaker 1: how it's usually done. There's the you know, we had
Speaker 1: the structure of how we do musical numbers, right, so
Speaker 1: when it's not being done like that and things are
Speaker 1: not moving and in the interest of the show, you're like,
Speaker 1: we're not going to make our day, We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to come back into this another day. Like there was
Speaker 1: that kind of mindset that we were in, which agree,
Speaker 1: it's not our job, like that is not our job.
Speaker 1: But in the way that things had been handled previously
Speaker 1: to this with other directors and things like this felt
Speaker 1: kind of normal. I don't know, not justifying it, but
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of it.
Speaker 2: Also felt like we've done a lot of like crazy
Speaker 2: complicated numbers, even in this episode, and this was one
Speaker 2: of the more straightforward ones, right this, Yeah, like there
Speaker 2: is a formula to it, and like if something is
Speaker 2: more complicated, we are understanding of that. But again, our
Speaker 2: job isn't. As we were told by a producer at
Speaker 2: some point, our job was to show up on time
Speaker 2: our lines and and that's about it.
Speaker 1: Well, we did a lot more than that.
Speaker 2: Leah said in twenty seventeen and watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: that this episode was her least favorite to shoot because
Speaker 2: it was really hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, well at tracks ye see even yeah, this is rough.
Speaker 2: It was all of us. But that being said, I
Speaker 2: think this episode is very good.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot that actually happens plot wise because
Speaker 1: it's all about Michael.
Speaker 2: Let's take care of some of these plot things real
Speaker 2: quick and then also talk about some of these fun
Speaker 2: facts because the biggest things that happened were and is
Speaker 2: still waiting for Rachel to respond about getting engaged. Quinn
Speaker 2: gets into Yale, which is wild. See you later, Quinn
Speaker 2: like how? And then Kurt and Kirk.
Speaker 1: Gets into Yaha is in the finals for Ernada and
Speaker 1: Rachel is Rachel Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And so then because Rachel feels like she's before she
Speaker 2: found out she was a finalist, she feels like she
Speaker 2: has nothing left but Finn. So then she decides to
Speaker 2: say yes to the marriage proposal, and then she finds
Speaker 2: out she's a finalst.
Speaker 1: And he's like, did you tell Finn?
Speaker 2: And so that's sort of like the story, right minus
Speaker 2: we'll talk more about the Warblers and the Regionals, but Darren,
Speaker 2: but that's not so that doesn't really change the trajectory
Speaker 2: of a lot of these characters exactly.
Speaker 1: So this was originally scheduled to premiere on January twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: but it had been pushed because of the state of
Speaker 1: the Union. I remember that, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Do too, and Brad had mentioned since before the second
Speaker 2: season ended they were planning and doing a big tribute
Speaker 2: episode that they've been wanted to do since the first season,
Speaker 2: but did not reveal the name of the artist, which
Speaker 2: I think is why some of us were speculating for
Speaker 2: so long about if we were going to do a
Speaker 2: Michael episode. And I also think the line where we're
Speaker 2: all sitting in the library and talking about how great
Speaker 2: Michael is and Rachel is talking about how she didn't
Speaker 2: get it, I think that was Ryan's voice, which I
Speaker 2: think was really valuable in this way, because he, I
Speaker 2: don't think was the biggest Michael fan and he didn't
Speaker 2: get it. It was not his thing, and so like
Speaker 2: through Rachel could voice, which I thought was also really
Speaker 2: cool to have, like, not everybody's gonna like the same thing,
Speaker 2: Let's just have a contrariant.
Speaker 1: To talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But on December sixth, the same day the Hold On
Speaker 2: sixteen was airing that featured three Jackson family songs, Ryan
Speaker 2: announced that they had finally obtained the rights to do
Speaker 2: a Michael Jackson tribute.
Speaker 1: Episode, filming yan on December twelfth, twenty eleven, and then
Speaker 1: we both of the last two shooting days before the
Speaker 1: vacation ran a couple of the horse passed in the
Speaker 1: night that was bad was one of them, with the
Speaker 1: final night not ending it until three in the morning,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because then you don't have to turn around.
Speaker 1: You don't need the twelve hour turnaround legally or contractually,
Speaker 1: so they could work until we get it done essentially
Speaker 1: because we don't have to come back to work the Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and filming had not yet completed when in the twelfth
Speaker 1: episode with Raheemar and the Spanish teacher began filming on
Speaker 1: January sixth, So we were doing two episodes in parallel,
Speaker 1: and the last final Michael Jackson's number was shown on
Speaker 1: g January thirteenth, So this was over a month. So
Speaker 1: does that mean that this is the longest episode over
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or Super over two months?
Speaker 2: No super Bowl? I mean there's and neck. Yeah, okay, okay, well,
Speaker 2: I mean we even started the thirteenth episode and we're
Speaker 2: still shooting this episode. We had moved on two episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Warblers number I Want You Back was cut for time.
Speaker 1: Why didn't they keep this one and cut Ben? That's
Speaker 1: the question. Did they have to cut keep Ben in
Speaker 1: so they could see Blaine so he could talk about
Speaker 1: his surgery next week before he goes away? Because why
Speaker 1: can't you do that without a song? It was a
Speaker 1: short scene. I think it would have been too short.
Speaker 1: It was they really jumped into that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We did all kinds of weird scenes, you know, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been that weird if.
Speaker 1: Curabout in the next episode about it?
Speaker 2: Could you imagine like people just sitting around a hospital
Speaker 2: bed and start singing Ben to you? Like, how if
Speaker 2: in real life, if it was just these kids singing Ben,
Speaker 2: I would be like, you.
Speaker 1: Need to go.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to they patches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well that's the question that I need to
Speaker 1: know about. And the reason why Darren was written off
Speaker 1: getting eye or that Blaine is off getting eye and
Speaker 1: injury was that Darren could go do how to succeed
Speaker 1: in business without really trying on Broadway, booked and busy,
Speaker 1: biked and busy. See, he was allowed to do stuff.
Speaker 2: I just about to say that, just about to say it.
Speaker 2: There were there were double standards left and right. M
Speaker 2: h and it was sometimes a little hard to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And that has nothing to do with, honestly, the people
Speaker 2: who were getting allowed to do things, because that's not
Speaker 2: on them. They got to do this and they approval anyway,
Speaker 2: I know. Although in the end of the episode, Will
Speaker 2: state that they would do Michael Jackson songs at Regional's.
Speaker 2: Obviously by the end of the episode they're like, we're
Speaker 2: not going to do Michael. And this is the last episode,
Speaker 2: last tribute episode with Ryan as the official writer on
Speaker 2: the script.
Speaker 1: Which makes sense.
Speaker 2: Also, Kurt was seen in will Spanish class in this episode,
Speaker 2: but Kurt takes French and girl Jesus, he was taking French, so.
Speaker 1: I will say, I take it back though, because I
Speaker 1: was allowed to go do Gaga's music video, So I
Speaker 1: take it. I take that back. That's rude. She was
Speaker 1: allowed to go do that. It wasn't a long run,
Speaker 1: but it was like two days.
Speaker 2: Off, but Lady Gaga personally called Ryan Murphy though.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the only way I was to do it.
Speaker 1: You're right, there's no way I would have been like, hey, Ryan,
Speaker 1: can I do it in a Lady Gaga music video
Speaker 1: and him be like yeah, Jenna, sure, you're actually like
Speaker 1: a crazy person, but go ahead, go on.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. You literally had to have Gaga
Speaker 2: personally called to get your approval to get you to
Speaker 2: do something. But also I get it's not normal to
Speaker 2: be able to do other jobs while you're doing your.
Speaker 1: Job, but it's also yeah, it's just not what happens.
Speaker 1: But because the show was so massive and we were
Speaker 1: so many people that everybody wanted to do something and anyway, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had There was every single summer
Speaker 2: for the first like four years, there was a movie
Speaker 2: that I was like booked to do but couldn't end
Speaker 2: up doing because the schedule ended up.
Speaker 1: A tour and like yeah, okay, okay, oh wait did
Speaker 1: we talk about your performance and scream? Okay. So this
Speaker 1: inspired several reviewers to write of their regret that Kevin
Speaker 1: could not dance more often on the show. Holley Lou
Speaker 1: Other reviewers called him a sorely underused Glee resource. I've
Speaker 1: heard that before, and called the number the fast dance
Speaker 1: moment of the episode. Agreed. Another reviewer said this number
Speaker 1: is evidence of already only a junior. There is life
Speaker 1: in directions after McKinley's current seniors graduates, and they are correct,
Speaker 1: there is life after here. We are, okay, So let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Warblers, Kevin, because that's mainly the.
Speaker 2: Because we're back, they're back in the glee club, and
Speaker 2: so we decide that we're going to do Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: and then you know, I want to be starting. Something
Speaker 2: happens and we all get to like where those different
Speaker 2: looks of Michael, which was fun.
Speaker 1: Can you rate each number done for this? Like? How? How? What?
Speaker 1: What you would give it each? No, A, B, C D.
Speaker 1: I'd give this number a B. Okay, just curious. I
Speaker 1: don't know which ones you're going to say are well
Speaker 1: done and not?
Speaker 2: Maybe plus maybe I think it's fine. It was very
Speaker 2: glee was it was?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like that we can pay a.
Speaker 2: Monster all the different looks and things like that, and
Speaker 2: the dancing in the hallway was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that was good. That's really fun.
Speaker 2: And I also think over time too, if you look,
Speaker 2: shooting dance is really hard, and Alfonso is such an
Speaker 2: incredible cinematographer, like his vision for things, and I think
Speaker 2: with each episode he gets better and better and more
Speaker 2: creative with shooting dance, and so I think a lot
Speaker 2: of these things are really beautifully done.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: There's a great scene in the line of Bean which
Speaker 2: I loved, where Sebastian shows up. It's like he's always here.
Speaker 2: It's very good. And come to find out, yeah, Blaine
Speaker 2: has given up the secret to Sebastian, who's now the captain.
Speaker 2: Somehow of the Warblers that we do directions were planning
Speaker 2: on doing Michael Jackson. So Warblars are going to do
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and so starts all this feud and we
Speaker 2: get our first Santana and Sebastian fight, and this is
Speaker 2: wildly sanely inappropriate. And also Santana looks like she she
Speaker 2: doesn't lose. No one can keep up with her, and
Speaker 2: she's taken aback.
Speaker 1: Yes, which is so yes, she's on her match.
Speaker 2: Like the ease at which Sebastian can just throw out
Speaker 2: racist comments is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so we decided, so we're going to
Speaker 1: do we can't do my goal at regionals. Now, we
Speaker 1: can't do it because Warburgs are going to do it.
Speaker 1: But but Will's brilliant assignment for the week is what
Speaker 1: would Michael Jackson wonder? Where he got that idea?
Speaker 2: And I also like, instead of worrying about the set
Speaker 2: list for Regionals, I want to talk about getting you
Speaker 2: in the right headspace for you. It was like, no,
Speaker 2: we should be worrying about the set list. Maybe he
Speaker 2: should be worrying about the set list for once. We're
Speaker 2: too busy working on his proposal to Emma. Oh god,
Speaker 2: a lot of proposals.
Speaker 1: Okay. Blaine's idea though, is to take to the streets
Speaker 1: and off to the Fox Parking Paramount parking lot we go.
Speaker 1: We shot this in the middle of the night. We
Speaker 1: didn't have any choreography for it. Well, we did have choreography,
Speaker 1: we just didn't know it. So Zach and Brooke, who
Speaker 1: did this whole episode like they did every other episode,
Speaker 1: had to do an enormous amount of Michael Jackson number
Speaker 1: and we knew.
Speaker 2: That, Like, because we were so busy shooting, you couldn't
Speaker 2: get all of us into rehearsal at the same time.
Speaker 2: So some of us knew different parts of this going
Speaker 2: into it, but we didn't know where it was going
Speaker 2: to be staged, how it was going to be used.
Speaker 2: Right until some of the people didn't know any of it.
Speaker 2: And so we got in there right the sun was
Speaker 2: still up, right. We got in there post lunch, I
Speaker 2: believe we had a late lunch. Was this This was
Speaker 2: the last number we shot I think before Christmas Break.
Speaker 1: That's correct, because then I came back Christmas Break for
Speaker 1: one scene and so yes, this was the last number
Speaker 1: and this was the one that we were into three am,
Speaker 1: I think. And uh, ironically, this looks like very Sharks
Speaker 1: and Jets west Side Story esque, which you know Grant
Speaker 1: was obviously a West Side Story recently, and it's very
Speaker 1: like I liked it.
Speaker 2: I remember, I liked this much more than I remember.
Speaker 2: It actually looks like I don't.
Speaker 1: What do you give this one? I give this one
Speaker 1: an A minus? Right, Well, okay, I think it's good.
Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, yeah, yeah. I like how it
Speaker 1: does that job.
Speaker 2: And I think it's being able to take myself away from.
Speaker 1: Like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shit storm. Objectively, I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: And that was Grant's first slushy throw into Blaine's face,
Speaker 1: which was meant for Kurt but had rock salt in it,
Speaker 1: which we'll find out later. Well.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, so we're all talking about Blaine is
Speaker 2: in the hospital, has to get surgery. Everyone's pissed off,
Speaker 2: and then Will is like, we don't I don't condone violence,
Speaker 2: we can't retaliate. Blah, blue blue, blue, blue.
Speaker 1: Blue, you know, Artie, He says something correct this time
Speaker 1: he does already gets fired up and gets really mad.
Speaker 1: He did filming this really, I love this scene for you.
Speaker 1: I felt so awkward.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think there's something about like filming
Speaker 2: it where the the tension has to rise enough for
Speaker 2: like already.
Speaker 1: To pop off like that. Oh I see.
Speaker 2: And so it always felt like I was trying to
Speaker 2: make it happen, and I think it was also made
Speaker 2: me just my possible lack of skill at the time,
Speaker 2: where it didn't feel right, nothing felt right, and then
Speaker 2: it felt like I oun't know where I'm just like
Speaker 2: blowing up, and then everybody's quiet, and I felt really
Speaker 2: awkward for some reason being in front of all of you,
Speaker 2: because like you and I didn't have moments like this
Speaker 2: really yeah, So I wasn't used to it, and then
Speaker 2: here I am. I'm like, is this right? Is this
Speaker 2: what Aardie would say?
Speaker 1: Is this right? Like?
Speaker 2: Am I doing this correct? I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: was meeting the moment as well.
Speaker 1: As I wanted to. You did, and it came out great.
Speaker 1: I've got it where it really worked and it's a
Speaker 1: really good segue into the best number of the episode,
Speaker 1: Scream Budget another dream moment for Ardie. Did you know
Speaker 1: that you were gonna dance in this episode or when
Speaker 1: did you find out?
Speaker 2: No, And we did not pitch scream. I did not
Speaker 2: pitch me dancing for the record.
Speaker 1: Cool but Ryan Mustard and Ryan knows how much you
Speaker 1: love Michael too, so he loved to do that for people.
Speaker 1: He loved to give people what they want, the people
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 2: It was really I felt it felt really special to
Speaker 2: be able to do that with Harry. It was also
Speaker 2: terrifying because then I was gonna have to dance next
Speaker 2: to Harry, like, watch Harry, That's how it's supposed to look. No,
Speaker 2: I'm literally leaning over it because I'm falling.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you did great. But it was so
Speaker 1: much fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, we were shooting that all day on one
Speaker 2: of our smaller stages and people kept coming in to watch,
Speaker 2: and it was just a blast, Like I hadn't made
Speaker 2: a proper music video since my old boy band days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what it was that daylight? Tell me about it.
Speaker 2: It felt just like that. It was just the music video.
Speaker 1: And how many rooms did you guys shooting because there
Speaker 1: were three different It looked like there were three different sets, right,
Speaker 1: like the big room, the tunnel, and then there's one
Speaker 1: other one like the walkway or whatever was it? Were
Speaker 1: they different or did they reset it?
Speaker 2: The walk The catwalk was in the same place as
Speaker 2: like the bigger room. They just put in the catwalk.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, that tunnel looking thing with the door
Speaker 2: coming up, that was obviously one. And then there was
Speaker 2: a little setup of us like we were holding our
Speaker 2: headphones and like screaming. That was the first thing we
Speaker 2: did that day. And then there was a gigantic green
Speaker 2: screen where we did like us floating, and we did
Speaker 2: all the stuff of us where they placed us on
Speaker 2: a ceiling and stuff like that. We did all that
Speaker 2: chance was.
Speaker 1: Did you were you in harnesses? Were you floating?
Speaker 2: No? We were laying down basically on this on a
Speaker 2: box or something a box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shot from above. I was like, did they break
Speaker 1: in harnesses because that looked awesome? Yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I was actually very worried about how all the CG
Speaker 2: was going to look because it's a TV show, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, the show's already expensive. How much can they
Speaker 2: really time and money can they dedicate to this? But
Speaker 2: we also because of the Michael Jackson estate, couldn't do
Speaker 2: certain things. We had to stay below a certain percentage
Speaker 2: of matching like shot for shot or doing the same
Speaker 2: movements making the song sound the same. So things legally
Speaker 2: had to be different enough. And I remember us talking
Speaker 2: about it because there were obviously things in the actual
Speaker 2: music video that Harry and I had talked about doing
Speaker 2: in it, and so we just sort of like just
Speaker 2: a moment where I'm sitting sort of like meditating ish
Speaker 2: or it's not exactly the same. So I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe I can get away with this if I change
Speaker 2: how I'm sitting a little bit, and just like threw
Speaker 2: it in hoping things like that would make it in
Speaker 2: m But I love I was very very.
Speaker 1: Proud of that it looks awesome it looks really really cool.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite number of that episode and for multiple reasons.
Speaker 1: But I was excited for you to do another dance
Speaker 1: number and also the two of you. It's just so
Speaker 1: great and it's like it's different. It's right, it's actually
Speaker 1: a music video versus very separate. Yeah, but it's it
Speaker 1: totally worked, and it actually gave like the episode some
Speaker 1: dynamic and like, really you kind of rabbed me up
Speaker 1: a little bit for the rest of it. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, so I do.
Speaker 2: Personally, I was very excited to see what we're going
Speaker 2: to be wearing because in the actual music video they
Speaker 2: have those crazy like puffy pointy shirts on and things I.
Speaker 1: Know, and they did a really great jobs, very cool.
Speaker 1: Were they like plastic here like silicon and puffs?
Speaker 2: No, they were.
Speaker 1: I believe it was soft.
Speaker 2: It was almost like, yeah, it was like those nineties
Speaker 2: things that, like you were popular for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Shoulder path.
Speaker 2: No, Like I don't know how to explain it. It's
Speaker 2: almost like soundproofing material.
Speaker 1: But yes, yes, what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I loved like them making Harry look like
Speaker 2: Janet a little bit like this in the eyeliners.
Speaker 1: It's so good eyeshadow. You guys like, dope, great child.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was very great job. You should
Speaker 1: be very proud of that. I am proud of that one. Good.
Speaker 1: I give that one an A plus. I do too.
Speaker 1: And then Quinn gets into you.
Speaker 2: Quin gets into Yale. I love this scene though, the
Speaker 2: scene between Rachel and Quinn when Rachel asked for advice
Speaker 2: Diana's best work. Love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good and it's kind of true. Like
Speaker 1: watching this back now, you're like, girl, you guys are eighteen,
Speaker 1: not even eighteen years old. It's but it's so right,
Speaker 1: Like you think the person you're within high school and
Speaker 1: some people are in high school, like that's it. They're
Speaker 1: the one like you think your life's sober after high school,
Speaker 1: whereas Quinn was actually the voice for reason being, like
Speaker 1: you have so much ahead, like look to it because
Speaker 1: kids need to hear that a little bit, Like everything
Speaker 1: feels like the end of the world in high school.
Speaker 1: And so I just I wish I had kind of
Speaker 1: more perspective on what was to come versus like how
Speaker 1: much how much energy I put into everything there? And
Speaker 1: that's not like a bad thing, right, but like you,
Speaker 1: just the stakes are so high. The stakes are just so.
Speaker 2: High, I thought her after she does her number, which
Speaker 2: I think was also so sweet, I mean, beautiful, great.
Speaker 2: I her speech made me feel things because it did
Speaker 2: give me that whole perspective of when you're in high school.
Speaker 2: It's the first time I've actually really felt that, like
Speaker 2: graduation is coming and when you're in high school. All
Speaker 2: these things I've been made such a big deal on
Speaker 2: the show, all these high school things, is how high
Speaker 2: school feels a lot of the time. And to be
Speaker 2: able to put that perspective, We're like, you guys are
Speaker 2: so young, and your whole life hasn't life hasn't even
Speaker 2: started yet, and you already feel like you've.
Speaker 1: Lived it right, right, right, It's so true. It's so true. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I really liked like, in between all these crazy
Speaker 2: numbers and the spectacle of the episode, you have some
Speaker 2: quinn wisdom.
Speaker 1: It was very nice and grounding, I mean, and granted,
Speaker 1: she did have a baby already, so that's right, she's
Speaker 1: lived the worldly one. Oh god, Okay, so Quinn's beautiful
Speaker 1: number and then human Ature, which, oh my goodness, how
Speaker 1: cute are they? Why do they have so much chemistry,
Speaker 1: I know, and like just the both of them on
Speaker 1: that song. I love that song. It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite next songs. And then the two of them doing
Speaker 1: it with the guitar. It was just a perfect harmony
Speaker 1: of all the things lining at once. It was really
Speaker 1: really well done.
Speaker 2: And that was also that number was exactly what things
Speaker 2: like Harry and I had talked about right right right
Speaker 2: or it is a different enough version, you're not trying
Speaker 2: to be Michael, and it fits them so well, and
Speaker 2: it was just really beautiful. And this sounds like on
Speaker 2: that song.
Speaker 1: She's ss of frequent all things, but like to hear
Speaker 1: her singer. Michael's song was really.
Speaker 2: And just those little runs that she's adding and like what, oh, bud.
Speaker 1: Out of here?
Speaker 2: And they sound so nice together because their tones are
Speaker 2: so different. Butda man, I loved it. And then Amberg
Speaker 2: door Mercedes cheets on her. Man she does, but I'm
Speaker 2: not even mad at it. Oh no, we don't, ye know,
Speaker 2: sorry on the show. We need our Sam and saies together.
Speaker 2: It's very cute. I want to say. I was very
Speaker 2: happy to see some more Michael Mallley, some Burton Kurt.
Speaker 2: That's sweet Kurt, getting his acceptance or acceptance run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, they get me every time. They get
Speaker 1: me every time.
Speaker 2: The Kurt had a lot of like fiery funny stuff
Speaker 2: this episode that seen with Curt and Santana, and Kurt's
Speaker 2: like plotting all the way He's going to take revenge
Speaker 2: on Sebastian, and Satana's the voice of reason for once.
Speaker 1: She's like, I just.
Speaker 2: Like I got to make it out of here, and
Speaker 2: you can't get in trouble. So she plots and has
Speaker 2: one of the most iconic performances in Glee her history.
Speaker 1: It's funny to hear Grant talk about it as one
Speaker 1: of the least rehearse scenes that they've ever done, and
Speaker 1: I get what he's saying behind it, because like I
Speaker 1: know those numbers that but that's all that. Then that's
Speaker 1: like a testament to Nya and Grant and the talents
Speaker 1: they are that we're given kind of this like playing
Speaker 1: field and this map to like go like just cat
Speaker 1: and house. It get closer and closer until the end
Speaker 1: and then basically like they had like free rein And
Speaker 1: I like those numbers because if you know your character
Speaker 1: well enough, you know you want like you just let
Speaker 1: people go and the two of them obviously are you
Speaker 1: need no direction? And and then like the two cellos
Speaker 1: also watching them go literally like fiercely go at each other.
Speaker 1: It was so cool. It was such a great number.
Speaker 2: I loved NYA starting like right where they are and
Speaker 2: it was sort of like come and get me. And
Speaker 2: then those I thought that the simple things like how
Speaker 2: that room looked, the chairs looking how that you know,
Speaker 2: how they were organized in a circle. It just looked
Speaker 2: so beautiful and it was different than what we would
Speaker 2: normally see, which is also just refreshing.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, her showing up in that like Fedora and stuff
Speaker 2: is crazy but hilarious. And kudos to Andrew Mitchell for
Speaker 2: that one. Yes, the steady cam creator those shares, and
Speaker 2: then probably Corey behind him moving the chairs her crews amazing.
Speaker 1: You slipped over bed. Just wait, you have to you
Speaker 1: have to rate smooth criminal a rate human nature A minus. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then that happens and we've already covered it. Rate
Speaker 1: it f F not an Asian f F. Oh and
Speaker 1: never you can say goodbye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd give that B plus.
Speaker 1: I give it B plus plus. Yeah, it's really sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's sweet. I think it's sweet. We just
Speaker 1: can't give everything in a uh being so gentle.
Speaker 2: Oh, so Rachel and Finn stay back, right, everyone's going
Speaker 2: to like confront the war Yeah, the Warblers, and Finn like,
Speaker 2: we'll meet you there. I have a full number plan,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, and launches into I just can't
Speaker 2: stop loving you. By the way, I think they both
Speaker 2: sound incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't really remember this number that well, probably because.
Speaker 1: We weren't there. I think they sound great. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I could I could have done about this one.
Speaker 2: I do think it fit well.
Speaker 1: They needed it for the storyline, but.
Speaker 2: Their storyline really well, I don't know. I know.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think the thing was, it felt
Speaker 1: like there were all these really cool numbers that we
Speaker 1: had never seen done before. We saw Smooth Criminal in
Speaker 1: a different you know, like with the circle, you know
Speaker 1: kind of cat and house thing. We saw your Guys'
Speaker 1: music video. We saw Sam with the guitar and Mercedes.
Speaker 1: We you don't see a lot and so it felt
Speaker 1: a little to Rachel and Finn asque to me that
Speaker 1: was like, could have done something else. But I'll say
Speaker 1: it was a great number and it moved a plot along,
Speaker 1: so like, you know, I'm not gonna yeah you want it.
Speaker 2: But an acting number they had they had to get brooken,
Speaker 2: Zacha break.
Speaker 1: It's true, and they was sweet. They they were just
Speaker 1: very sweet and it was very emotional. What do you
Speaker 1: get it? What do you rate this? I give this
Speaker 1: like a B minus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree. Okay, but they sound very good,
Speaker 2: very good. And I like hearing Leah up there, you know,
Speaker 2: just popping and doing those super high notes real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like, it's very satisfying. What's the song she
Speaker 1: does in Journey when they do Faithfully? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: she sounds good up there. Probably it is not easy,
Speaker 1: but no, she sounds very good there. Okay, So Rachel
Speaker 1: says yes, and they're going to get wild engaged. They
Speaker 1: are engaged, and then you have black and white, which we.
Speaker 2: I would just like the publicly state. I also don't
Speaker 2: think I should have done the wrap.
Speaker 1: There was nobody else to do it, Kevin, nobody else
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: It seeing me saying the line, or have somebody else
Speaker 2: do I'm not going to spend my life being a color.
Speaker 2: Mmm mmm that doesn't sit right with me.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: Well there was this. It was a really my biggest
Speaker 2: concern for the Michael episode was did we have the
Speaker 2: right people for the job?
Speaker 1: Right? I get that, I get that, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah? Yeah yeah, But that's why the
Speaker 1: different versions. How so you had to do the different versions?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that was the impetus of like, if we're
Speaker 2: going to just like cut and paste here.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna work. Yeah, because none of us can sing.
Speaker 1: Like that, right, Like, well nobody can.
Speaker 2: Well anybody's the only one who I think had like
Speaker 2: the full capability of like range and pocket to sing
Speaker 2: it straight up Michael song obviously, But the rest of us.
Speaker 1: You have it. You have it, Kevin, you have it,
Speaker 1: you have it.
Speaker 2: You can fake it, okay, oh my god. But I
Speaker 2: do have to say the memes that have come out
Speaker 2: of us, our faces Michael warping into each other are great.
Speaker 1: Terrifying, Yeah, very terrifying. What would you rate this number
Speaker 1: black and only b mm hmm. It's fine, And we did,
Speaker 1: we take the higher road, and we let Sebastian know
Speaker 1: that we have them on tape, but we don't. You know,
Speaker 1: Santa Stana had more work under her boob and you
Speaker 1: know it didn't. We're not going to use it and
Speaker 1: we're not going to do my goal and we're not
Speaker 1: going to tell on him because we want to play.
Speaker 1: We want a fair game. So I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: But no, see why, I see.
Speaker 2: Why the bigger when they go low, we go low.
Speaker 1: Stop it. Cut it out. Sebastian is a terrible person.
Speaker 2: Cut it out.
Speaker 1: He did do terrible things, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: it was right. Let's do some tardy jakes cringe moments.
Speaker 1: Sebastian's comments to Santana at the top of this episode,
Speaker 1: We're alarming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that, coupled with I just I
Speaker 2: feel like when students get injured at the school, like
Speaker 2: I was getting physically harassed for years, it seems like,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, it's everybody else is
Speaker 2: getting in trouble when or not getting like it was
Speaker 2: felt like it was not. There's not an equal scale here.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome to Glee. Yeah, best and smooth scream. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's right, song scream and smooth I.
Speaker 2: Would say smooth criminal. But I am also partial to
Speaker 2: human nature.
Speaker 3: I love oh close third Close thirds by prop The
Speaker 3: entire Scream set totally the underboob tape recorder from radio.
Speaker 1: It's very good, very funny. Best line so that scene where.
Speaker 2: Santana and Kurt are talking about how then get revenge,
Speaker 2: and Santana goes, well, today's youre lucky day because Auntie
Speaker 2: Snacks just arrived on the Bitchdown Express. Now, my suggestion
Speaker 2: is that we drag him bounding gag to a tattoo
Speaker 2: parlor for a tramp stamp that reads tips appreciated or
Speaker 2: congratulations you're my one thousand customer. Funny, so funny, so good.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of good, like random quotes in
Speaker 2: this episode, Yes, there were.
Speaker 1: Kurt had some good ones. Uh live here, god, yeah,
Speaker 1: can we talk about that.
Speaker 2: Kurt does say I take a lot of crap from
Speaker 2: a lot of people, but I refuse to take it
Speaker 2: from Sebastian the criminal Chipmunk.
Speaker 1: Stop. That's funny, poor Grant. I know he really got it.
Speaker 1: I mean we all don't. But yeah, it's a right
Speaker 1: of passage.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: You didn't really doglee until they made fun of you
Speaker 1: for real.
Speaker 2: Truth?
Speaker 1: Yeah, performance, Kevin McCain, I don't know. Yes, Kevin, take it.
Speaker 1: You were an episode you sang on almost every song.
Speaker 2: Okay, just take it.
Speaker 1: It was great. Great job in this episode. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. It's like pulling teeth with you. I know.
Speaker 2: So shit. We found on the TikTok her name is
Speaker 2: Demi DeVito.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's very good.
Speaker 2: Did an entire scene basically playing a range of characters
Speaker 2: from like Rachel, Will, Emma, Quinn, Mercedes Finn with current
Speaker 2: songs and how they'd be used in the show. And
Speaker 2: it is so like the start of the scene with
Speaker 2: the song. It is so accurate. So you can if
Speaker 2: you watch it, you can visualize the entire scene. You
Speaker 2: know exactly how right she is. Very good, so accurate,
Speaker 2: very good. Someone said, who's going to tell me Glee
Speaker 2: had a new season? Exactly? It does make me jealous,
Speaker 2: so because well, Will doing water is horrifying and absolutely
Speaker 2: what would have happened?
Speaker 1: But no, that's exactly it's like ice ice baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like what.
Speaker 2: Wow, I just see this is brilliant. Thanks for people
Speaker 2: for being creative and funny and tagging us in these things, because.
Speaker 1: What what so good? No, these are really really good,
Speaker 1: so good. Come back next week because we have a
Speaker 1: very special guest with us to do a recap. I
Speaker 1: don't think we would have guessed to recap with us yet.
Speaker 1: We haven't asked one cheees with us, and she's going
Speaker 1: to recap the Spanish teacher. So come back and let's
Speaker 1: talk all things Ricky Martin, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about your experience on this episode.
Speaker 2: Hot hot, hot hot, Jenna, thanks for opening up about
Speaker 2: this time in.
Speaker 1: Your life, my dark times of Glee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry that we had to watch this episode.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I come I come out of a hole,
Speaker 1: and I come out better, bigger, and better than ever.
Speaker 2: So don't want to have a question. Yeah, now, we
Speaker 2: seven people acted out, they got episodes.
Speaker 4: Did you get an episode out of this? Stay tuned
Speaker 4: in a few short episodes. Tina's going to sing a
Speaker 4: big Seleen Dion song. She's gonna have a whole episode
Speaker 4: where she falls in a sout. It is glorious. So
Speaker 4: let me tell you act out get an episode.
Speaker 2: The squeaky wheel, Jenna, that was the thing. I didn't
Speaker 2: know the phrase, the squeaky wheel. What does it get
Speaker 2: the oil or whatever? Yeah, something like that until this,
Speaker 2: until I worked on Glee. Because oh yeah, the bad
Speaker 2: behavior was rewarded.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but we've learned and we've grown.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: But Ryan talked about this, you know, like we we
Speaker 2: all would have done things differently. We were all trying
Speaker 2: to figure it out on every level.
Speaker 1: It's so true. It is really so true. There's no
Speaker 1: really nobody to blame. It was just a learning, a
Speaker 1: collective learning effort that again I wish I hadn't gone
Speaker 1: through it. Just be like I wish I didn't have
Speaker 1: to go through it, but I'm okay, you got a
Speaker 1: song out of it. I just like, how's it going
Speaker 1: over there?
Speaker 2: You're also not the first person to get punished and
Speaker 2: get PTO, and I started to lose my mind. I'm like,
Speaker 2: well should I.
Speaker 1: Do as well as well? There was a point though,
Speaker 1: where you're like, am I gonna be back? Are they
Speaker 1: gonna bring me back? Yeah? Gary, Okay, well come back
Speaker 1: next week and we'll find out if change it comes back.
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