Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Vanessa Bayer and this is my brother Jonah.
Speaker 2: We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood
Speaker 2: in nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 1: Today, who are very excited for today's guests. And FYI
Speaker 1: little rope rhymes with very.
Speaker 2: Dope, welcome to how did we get weird?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Jonah, I think I really nailed that, like intro with
Speaker 1: my rhyme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get it actually.
Speaker 1: Because of the new album got yeah and Very Dope
Speaker 1: got it. It's a little bit of.
Speaker 2: A walk as we say yes.
Speaker 1: So, Jonah, I wanted to revisit a story that we
Speaker 1: told with a previous guest, or a couple stories. One
Speaker 1: is we are very excited about our guests today and
Speaker 1: we had them on a web series that we did
Speaker 1: a while back, and one of them we had brunch
Speaker 1: with in Portland once, and you thought that we were
Speaker 1: best friends because we got along so well. And do
Speaker 1: you remember leaving brunch I had. We had brunch with
Speaker 1: Carrie and we left and you were like, do you
Speaker 1: guys talk every day?
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but I remember you guys had
Speaker 2: really good dynamic as if you were very very close friends,
Speaker 2: known each other for years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just guess I wanted to brag about
Speaker 1: that a little bit. And then the other meal we
Speaker 1: had is the first time you and I ever went
Speaker 1: to Portland. Our guest Corn and her husband Lance took
Speaker 1: us out to dinner just because they were friends with Fred.
Speaker 1: We didn't know either of them, and they were so
Speaker 1: nice to us, and you were so nervous.
Speaker 2: I was nervous, Well, yeah, because we're out, We're staying
Speaker 2: at Fred Armiston's place, and you were like, Fred's friends
Speaker 2: are going to take us out to dinner, and I
Speaker 2: like Corn and Lance. I was like, like Corn, Tucker
Speaker 2: and Lance bangs, We're gonna like hang out with them.
Speaker 2: And You're like, yeah, they're like Fred's friends. And I
Speaker 2: was like no, like I can't go. Like I was
Speaker 2: like totally having like a meltout, like like like you
Speaker 2: know all these videos, and I like got super nervous.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, Okay, I'm going to like
Speaker 2: name drop like my friends work with Dave Fridman, like
Speaker 2: they're going to think I'm cool. But I got to
Speaker 2: like put in as made references as I could. But
Speaker 2: they were so nice you guys were They were great
Speaker 2: and so, but I was very nervous, almost too nervous
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were really so nervous. And so I want
Speaker 1: to introduce our guests today, and then I want to
Speaker 1: get their takes on both of these meals. Okay if
Speaker 1: they remember them. Okay. So our guests today make up
Speaker 1: the fantastic band Slater Kinny, who are part of the
Speaker 1: riot girl scene when they formed in the nineties and
Speaker 1: have gone on to be what many people, including Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: call a very key part of the American indie rock scene.
Speaker 1: Their new album Little Rope comes out January nineteenth. Please
Speaker 1: welcome our friends, Carrie Brownstein and Coren Tucker. Hello, Hi,
Speaker 1: that's so nice. Thanks for that awesome, very.
Speaker 3: Prayer and a Wiki reference, which we always like because
Speaker 3: of the accuracy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they always are on the pulse.
Speaker 4: Yes they know things I don't know about myself.
Speaker 1: Now, Carrie, do you remember this brunch that we got,
Speaker 1: the three of us.
Speaker 3: I do remember the brunch because I did actually feel
Speaker 3: similarly in that we had an easy rapport, yes, and
Speaker 3: that it felt like we had been friends longer than
Speaker 3: we were.
Speaker 4: Actually friends, or just knew each other better.
Speaker 3: Than we actually do, because we do have an ease,
Speaker 3: and that's to your credit, both your credit, I think,
Speaker 3: because I feel very awkward in initial meetings, but you really,
Speaker 3: you know, you just really set the stage for a
Speaker 3: very lovely brunch.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is so sweet.
Speaker 3: I remember it fondly, is what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 3: also do remember. This is the more embarrassing part to
Speaker 3: admit that. I think we really left thinking we're going
Speaker 3: to hang out a lot, and then that might be
Speaker 3: the last time we hung out.
Speaker 1: I think. And I went to your I think your book,
Speaker 1: like your sort of when you did that upstairs cool
Speaker 1: book event in New York. You guys were both there, Yes,
Speaker 1: so we did.
Speaker 4: We did some follow up, We did some follow up.
Speaker 3: Yes, but we we have also fallen short in other ways.
Speaker 3: But we live in different cities, we do, so let's
Speaker 3: be kind, right, Let's be kind to ourselves. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: do you remember that we both had or maybe I
Speaker 3: had it and you said you almost got it.
Speaker 1: That like bomber jacket from Jake. It was like almost
Speaker 1: like a short pea coat bomber jacket Jake Crew.
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like this is something we have in common,
Speaker 3: is like our sort of our sort I don't don't
Speaker 3: take this in the wrong way, but our sertorial misses right,
Speaker 3: just just the ways that we I think it's from, Well,
Speaker 3: did you grow up in the suburbs?
Speaker 1: You didn't?
Speaker 3: You actually, Oh, okay, okay. I just it's that it's
Speaker 3: that urban upbringing. I think that it's hard to separate
Speaker 3: yourself from where you know, you can try to fit
Speaker 3: into these lanes that are more urbane or a little
Speaker 3: more sophisticated. Yeah, you just always are falling back on
Speaker 3: these basically the mall exactly.
Speaker 1: I would like to think that today you and I
Speaker 1: maybe wouldn't have been so into that jacket, Like if
Speaker 1: we saw it in a store today, if we start
Speaker 1: in j Crew today, we wouldn't go, that's my jacket.
Speaker 1: But at that time it felt like and it was
Speaker 1: ill fitting too, because I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 1: it was supposed to sort of be a cropped peacoat,
Speaker 1: but then it had it gathered at the bottom in
Speaker 1: a way that was like, this isn't flattering on anyone.
Speaker 3: On absolutely no one, like an elastic yeah bottom, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's cinched somewhere that it shouldn't say. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I agree that I would like to trust that we
Speaker 3: would have sort of graduated from that mindset, but I
Speaker 3: still find myself making little mistakes and assumptions about what
Speaker 3: will look good on me and then realizing that it doesn't.
Speaker 3: But specifically with that coat, I agree we would not
Speaker 3: buy that today. I might buy something similar version of
Speaker 3: the newer version of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, yeah, yeah, unfortunately. I feel like I this is
Speaker 1: quorn by the way.
Speaker 5: I feel like I have like thrown down the gauntlet
Speaker 5: and I will definitely really only buy clothes that are
Speaker 5: on sale at like a mall store at this point, Like,
Speaker 5: I just am like, what is the point? Like I
Speaker 5: order things that are expensive online and it comes and
Speaker 5: it's like this is for another person, this is like
Speaker 5: the jack ye yeah, Like I just yeah, I think
Speaker 5: I've given up at this point.
Speaker 1: I wonder though I feel like you're pretty stylish, Corn,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you could probably find stuff that
Speaker 1: is you. I mean I do find stuff, and I
Speaker 1: think you aren't. Carrie. I'm just saying that we have
Speaker 1: like a basicness to us that I don't.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, well basic an inborn like like no, for sure,
Speaker 6: for sure, there is there is is it's that suburbia.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: I will say Corn is a lot better than I
Speaker 3: am at a vintage find. She has the patience for that,
Speaker 3: and I just don't. I just really don't.
Speaker 1: I don't either.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: But Carrie, You've you've got like some really you do
Speaker 5: have some really great things that you like, stick with
Speaker 5: like you will find.
Speaker 1: The right, try to find the try to find the
Speaker 1: compliment in this well. I will, I will, I apologize
Speaker 1: for calling you basic, Carrie, No, stand by it. I
Speaker 1: think any of our listeners if they were like, let
Speaker 1: me put Vanessa bay Or next to Carry Brownstein, they'd
Speaker 1: be like, Carrie, looks I feel sometimes cooler than Vanessa.
Speaker 1: So the fact that I'm sort of flattering myself by
Speaker 1: being like we're the same listen.
Speaker 4: But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3: It's it's just that mindset of sort of like having
Speaker 3: our default be something that is a little like pedestrian
Speaker 3: or populist essentially.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, totally fine with that, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Now, Corn, do you remember this dinner that we had
Speaker 1: with you in Lance And do you remember and do
Speaker 1: you remember how nervous? Could you tell how nervous? Jonah
Speaker 1: was No.
Speaker 5: I did not think Jonah was nervous at all because
Speaker 5: to backstory the dinner, freend Armisen was like, my people
Speaker 5: are coming to Portland, my young people are coming, and
Speaker 5: you need to take like treat them right. Like it
Speaker 5: was kind of like a friend assignment from someone that
Speaker 5: I that I deeply love, and so I was like
Speaker 5: trying to figure out where the right place was to go,
Speaker 5: and I was like, there's a vegetarian aspect that we
Speaker 5: need to be sensitive to. I feel like I feel
Speaker 5: like we kind of went, to use your word, we
Speaker 5: went sort of basic, like we went to like a
Speaker 5: vegetarian restaurant.
Speaker 1: I feel like we went to such a nice place.
Speaker 2: It felt like the fancies restaurant, the.
Speaker 1: Fancies restaurant we'd ever been to. You again, we're from
Speaker 1: the suburbs. Where did you take? Was it Tusk? Where
Speaker 1: did you guys go? No?
Speaker 5: No, that's the thing is like this is the kind
Speaker 5: of first of all, this is a while ago, and
Speaker 5: like when I.
Speaker 1: Think it was like.
Speaker 5: This is gonna sound weird, but like a veritable quotient,
Speaker 5: Like it was like veritable quandary.
Speaker 2: Yes, veritable quandary.
Speaker 4: That's a.
Speaker 1: Terrible name for a restaurant.
Speaker 3: What a pretentious combination of words.
Speaker 1: To us, we were like, fancy fancy.
Speaker 2: There's no flare on the walls. We were like, whoa,
Speaker 2: this is serious.
Speaker 1: And it sounded like a fancy name to us.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then we dropped off and then Lance was like,
Speaker 2: do you want to like see bars or alot Smiths
Speaker 2: used to hang out and the night, you know, and
Speaker 2: like then Lance took us around to give us this tour.
Speaker 1: It was you both knew what we were kind of
Speaker 1: looking for in the sense that we you couldn't have
Speaker 1: like made the night more fun and we were just
Speaker 1: silently freaking out the whole time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm so glad that you had a good time
Speaker 5: because I was like after the meal, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh boy, Like I hope that they don't hate Portland
Speaker 5: because it was it was such a like I feel
Speaker 5: like it was a.
Speaker 1: Overly fussy meal where the vegetarians are like, this is
Speaker 1: a vegetarian niche like an organic garden. That was all
Speaker 1: we wanted. Like that was great. Yeah, and then we
Speaker 1: did we went to a bar after it had like
Speaker 1: velvet walls or something. Oh it was it dots?
Speaker 2: I think, yes, it was okay.
Speaker 1: Oh it was Dots. I remember the name being Dots
Speaker 1: because our family friend owns a line of clothing stores
Speaker 1: called Dots. It sounds like discounted women's clothes and it's
Speaker 1: called Dots, and I remember being like, this is a
Speaker 1: different Dot, right, And that's when the lawsuit came through
Speaker 1: and they basically fell cheese fries and sadness and alcohol.
Speaker 1: Oh man, there were concert posters on the wall. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Actually that is like a kind of a Portland institution
Speaker 5: where it's it's changed hands, but it has been around
Speaker 5: since like very early nineties, and it used to be
Speaker 5: the actual only place you could go after a show
Speaker 5: was because it was open so late and you could
Speaker 5: eat those cheese fries and well, just for the Portland
Speaker 5: listeners that might disagree, there was also Montage just so
Speaker 5: someone you know, there's a listener that's like, actually, it
Speaker 5: wasn't the only place, so for the actually people, we
Speaker 5: also acknowledge Montage restaurant.
Speaker 1: Right now, that's so cool of you. Are you both
Speaker 1: hitting up the Portland vegetarian restaurants? Seen much? Is there much?
Speaker 1: I feel like that isn't there? I realized later when
Speaker 1: I started eating meat that there's a big meat scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think for the detriment of the
Speaker 3: planet and animals, there is a pretty big meat scene,
Speaker 3: and I am part of it, and Portland is I
Speaker 3: think there's definitely, I think a move, especially in the
Speaker 3: last couple of years, back away from that. But certainly,
Speaker 3: like about a decade ago, people really just embrace like chefs,
Speaker 3: especially in like restaurant tours, who were like Meat's back,
Speaker 3: as if meat had ever gone away, but like everything
Speaker 3: became pretty meat centric. I don't. I feel like Portland
Speaker 3: has definitely a handful of vegan and vegetarian restaurants, but
Speaker 3: I still feel like actually conn which got like Restaurant
Speaker 3: of the Year. Gregory Gordet is the chef and it's
Speaker 3: Haitian cuisine and he has both the meat menu and
Speaker 3: then a vegan counterpart menu. So maybe that's sort of
Speaker 3: the futures.
Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, but there is there are some really
Speaker 5: really good new vegan vegetarian restaurants opening up because my
Speaker 5: husband Lance is still vegetarian. Oh right, yeah, And so
Speaker 5: there's one called Lilla that's on like Madison right before
Speaker 5: you go over the Hawthorne Bridge that is kind of
Speaker 5: amazing like Italian like chicken parmesan, but it's not it's
Speaker 5: like not real chicken, and it's actually good and I
Speaker 5: eat meat, so I'm I have like a high bar
Speaker 5: for that kind of stuff. But it's really good.
Speaker 1: And if we came back to Portland, would you and
Speaker 1: Lance take us there? One hundred percent we would. Carrie,
Speaker 1: You're obviously invited. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I yeah, it's weird that that was the one that
Speaker 3: you want to turn to, but I yeah, I'll fifth
Speaker 3: wheel it with you.
Speaker 2: Guys, Carton, you said you're into thrifting. I have a
Speaker 2: question for both of you, how do you feel about
Speaker 2: record stores? Like when you're on tour, you're in a
Speaker 2: new city, are you into going to the record stores?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like lately I feel like I'm interested
Speaker 2: and then I start going through it for like five
Speaker 2: minutes and then I'm like, I don't. I don't have
Speaker 2: that same kind of drive to do as I did
Speaker 2: when I was younger. Do you still feel that or
Speaker 2: where are you at with that?
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Jonah.
Speaker 3: When we would tour and I was in my early twenties,
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just a full reconnaissance mission, Like
Speaker 3: I just I sort of had a list in the
Speaker 3: back of my mind of the albums I was always
Speaker 3: looking for. They were mostly post punk, you know, British
Speaker 3: bands or out of you know, something out of New
Speaker 3: Zealand or Australia, and I was just always hunting for them.
Speaker 3: And I would come home from tour with a huge
Speaker 3: box of records, like maybe even one hundred records.
Speaker 4: That's when most of my record collection was built. I
Speaker 4: just don't really do that as much anymore.
Speaker 5: I feel like there are certain things though, that, like
Speaker 5: even albums that I've heard this year that I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is such a great album, I do want to
Speaker 5: own it on vinyl, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 5: there are certain ones that I would like. Okay, I
Speaker 5: feel like I can make an exception for yeah, yeah
Speaker 5: this album, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if you already own it and you're like,
Speaker 2: now it's coming out on purple vinyl, I have to
Speaker 2: rebuy this version or no, I don't care as much.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I like colored vinyl, but I.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't necessarily rebuy something if I had it on quality
Speaker 5: sounding vinyl already.
Speaker 1: But that like there's like that gram what is it
Speaker 1: like or whatever?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that would tempt me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what this is exactly like, but
Speaker 1: I do remember one time being at like a record
Speaker 1: store with you, Jonah. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: like you were visiting me at like we were somewhere
Speaker 1: and you bought so many records and you were like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I just have to do this, and it reminded
Speaker 1: me of sometimes when I would go to Anthropology. I
Speaker 1: don't shop there as much anymore. No burn to Anthropology, okay,
Speaker 1: and their home wears are incredible, but like I remember
Speaker 1: going to Anthropology once in a while and just spending
Speaker 1: so much money there and being like, sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to do this, And I thought, Jonah, buying records is
Speaker 1: me at Anthropology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you do. You guy have like a one
Speaker 2: off trip to Generation Records. I'd like, I got to
Speaker 2: buy everything. Where am I ever going to see this
Speaker 2: stuff again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it comes to the Purple Now, okay.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. You have a Slater Canny box set that
Speaker 2: there's records inside of that. Yeah, I think it's more
Speaker 2: of a Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was actually going to add that box sets are
Speaker 4: something that I do often buy.
Speaker 3: Like Rihanna issued a box set of all of her
Speaker 3: albums on vinyl, and I bought that same with PJ. Harvey,
Speaker 3: and you know they'll throw in a T shirt. I'm
Speaker 3: kind of a sucker for that. Yeah, Replacements Tim just
Speaker 3: came out like a big you know. I like that
Speaker 3: kind of where it's finally curated and they're you know,
Speaker 3: pulling together b sides or demos or just kind of
Speaker 3: collating it into one, you know, beautiful like piece of art.
Speaker 4: That's pretty to me as a collector.
Speaker 1: I think of it as art too, because you know,
Speaker 1: you guys gave me a box set and I have
Speaker 1: it really prominently displayed at the top of my bookshelf,
Speaker 1: and I have a lot of records displayed throughout my
Speaker 1: living room, but I don't have a record player. And
Speaker 1: that's that's tough to admit to people that gave me
Speaker 1: their records, including Okay.
Speaker 3: But it makes me think you're now a very easy
Speaker 3: person to shop for. Like everyone listening, you're probably gonna
Speaker 3: end up with ten to twenty players.
Speaker 1: I'm like, my god, which one should I get for her?
Speaker 1: This is this is on Joan I He'll figure it out.
Speaker 3: But do you know that one time I sent Laurene
Speaker 3: a record player and vinyl for his office.
Speaker 4: Wow, I bet you I loved he did like that.
Speaker 1: He did love that. He was very appreciative. That's really thoughtful.
Speaker 3: That's a cool move, Carrie. It must have been for
Speaker 3: his seventieth birthday. I think I did that for Wow.
Speaker 1: That's so nice. I love that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was for his seventieth. But one time I gave
Speaker 1: him as a gift I had drawn in high school.
Speaker 1: I had done made this like drawing slash painting that
Speaker 1: was all these different scenes of Chris Farley and like
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy and Black Sheep and ban downed by the river.
Speaker 1: And I got a copy made of it and I
Speaker 1: got it framed for him. That's a great gift. I
Speaker 1: think he appreciates something like that. Yeah. I think he
Speaker 1: put it up in one of his offices somewhere or something.
Speaker 1: But I think yeah, because like everyone's getting him cufflinks,
Speaker 1: right or Yeah, what do you get for what's the
Speaker 1: standard man gift? Yeah? Cufflin, a plant, yeah, plant, a
Speaker 1: flask like a flask. Yeah, he's got tons of those,
Speaker 1: But how many record you know Chris Farley illustrations. Well,
Speaker 1: with that, we're going to take a quick commercial break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with corn and carry and we're back. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: we asked you both for a topic and give us
Speaker 1: so many good topics, so many good ones. It was
Speaker 1: very tough to decide, but the one that we chose
Speaker 1: was the Juicy Fruit skiing commercials and theme song. Do
Speaker 1: you want to talk about why, why you thought of
Speaker 1: that or what that meant to you?
Speaker 3: What it meant to me? Well, this is such an
Speaker 3: earworm to me. I get this song stuck in my head.
Speaker 3: This is not a joke or exaggeration. Two to three
Speaker 3: times a year it will just pop into my head
Speaker 3: and I don't know what the trigger is, you know
Speaker 3: what sort of weird mnemonic device is hitting it. It's like,
Speaker 3: but it's a very infectious song. It's really dumb, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, it's just dumb in the
Speaker 3: way that jingles. Successful jingles are sort of silly, you know,
Speaker 3: There's there's a silliness that they have to land upon
Speaker 3: in order to just kind of drive you a little crazy.
Speaker 3: And it has so little to do with gum who cares?
Speaker 3: Like the song it's about skiing. It's like also this
Speaker 3: time of like forre gum. I obviously the Juicy Fruit
Speaker 3: people or the order the ad agency was like, we
Speaker 3: want to associate juicy fruit with like sport, specifically winter sports.
Speaker 4: Like it's all about getting your skis shined up.
Speaker 3: Grab a stick of juicy fruit and then it then
Speaker 3: it gets very double on tundra.
Speaker 1: It's like if they're.
Speaker 3: Talking about like pulling it out, sticking it in, stick
Speaker 3: it in your mouth. It's like the taste is going
Speaker 3: to move you when you pop it in your mouth.
Speaker 3: It's like what is happening in your mouth? Like it's
Speaker 3: just a piece of gum, but you're on the slopes,
Speaker 3: Like it's just there's so much going on, it makes
Speaker 3: no sense.
Speaker 4: And I just think.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, gum has lost its way,
Speaker 3: Like who thinks of gum and athletes or gam and skiing.
Speaker 4: It's like this was a great era for gum.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, now I think we should watch the skiing
Speaker 1: commercial first. We found quite a few of them, but
Speaker 1: maybe we should just watch and at least for our listeners,
Speaker 1: they can hear the jingle just to kind of get
Speaker 1: us in the mood to move us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, get your skis shined up, Grab a stick of
Speaker 4: juice of food.
Speaker 3: The taste is gone to move take a snill.
Speaker 1: Pull it out. The taste is juicy fruit.
Speaker 2: It's gone and move yup.
Speaker 1: Chose tried to yum juicy tastes the taste and taste
Speaker 1: of now. For people who couldn't watch that and have
Speaker 1: never seen it, someone on YouTube described it as a
Speaker 1: ski trip is underway. Is a truckload of twenty somethings
Speaker 1: arrive at the slopes curiously. Although several participants are appropriately
Speaker 1: dressed for the cold weather activity, many others are clad
Speaker 1: in mere shorts. Once the squad arrives on the mountain,
Speaker 1: several elect to hang back and chew gum, while others
Speaker 1: display Olympic level ski jumping techniques.
Speaker 3: That's so true, Like the difference in skill level there,
Speaker 3: Like you have some people that are so bad at
Speaker 3: skiing they can't even get on the slopes, and then
Speaker 3: someone else that's basically doing yes, you're right.
Speaker 1: Like may have won goal.
Speaker 3: Also, no one's wearing a helmet, right, like, no one,
Speaker 3: no one. I mean granted it was an era aware
Speaker 3: no one wore helmets, but I'm more aware of it
Speaker 3: watching it now, just being like, oh, that's a terrible
Speaker 3: thing to do without a helmet.
Speaker 4: I guess the gum. The gum might protect you, but.
Speaker 1: It is crazy the level the skill, this range of
Speaker 1: skill levels, that this group goes skiing together whatever.
Speaker 3: They would never be friends. I mean they might be
Speaker 3: friends off the slope.
Speaker 1: Right, they wouldn't go on these kinds of trips together.
Speaker 4: I guess the gum brings them together.
Speaker 3: What about when they just the gum is going by
Speaker 3: the other person's nose, then they literally say, grab a sniff, Yeah,
Speaker 3: grab a sniff. But what's I mean? That's a sniff?
Speaker 3: To me? Is just not a selling point to almost anything, right, Like,
Speaker 3: catch a sniff of that.
Speaker 4: It's not even whiff, it's sniff.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because they they've always been really general
Speaker 1: about what the scent slash flavor is of juicy fruit,
Speaker 1: like on purpose, but it says the ad Agency BBDO
Speaker 1: characterized it as a combination in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: Finally they characterized it as a combination of banana and pineapple.
Speaker 1: And some people say it resembles jackfruit. H But anyways,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen we can watch it. There's a
Speaker 1: water they kind of up the ante. I don't know,
Speaker 1: the sniffing and sort of the like they wanted to
Speaker 1: like kind of capitalize on the like sort of sexy
Speaker 1: factor of like maybe the people that decide to wear
Speaker 1: shorts or whatever. So they did a water skiing version
Speaker 1: where it's you don't have to change the song that
Speaker 1: much because it's still technically you can still shine your skis,
Speaker 1: but let's watch the water skiing version, which.
Speaker 2: Like musically has a different vibe to a little yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's see.
Speaker 2: You shine upw.
Speaker 3: It's it's gotta taste a.
Speaker 1: Little more of a country vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little Twang Year I think for sure, Twain Year,
Speaker 3: which is interesting because I don't think of water skiing
Speaker 3: as like, although maybe maybe it's kind of Gulf Coast
Speaker 3: like it's like for the Bama the Bama crowd or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But again, that shot for those listening when they say
Speaker 3: the taste is going to be moving when you pop
Speaker 3: it in your mouth, it's always a very it's it's
Speaker 3: always a woman slightly there's something a sexual undertone to
Speaker 3: the way the real close up on her mouth as
Speaker 3: she's like popping the stick of gum.
Speaker 1: In Also, have you ever that was a real eighties
Speaker 1: thing in the early nineties. Like I think when people
Speaker 1: would eat sticks of gum, they would put it in
Speaker 1: like a stick, and I always I would try and
Speaker 1: do it that way, just to be like, this is
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to eat gum and be like, no,
Speaker 1: that doesn't work. Like it's the most complicated way to
Speaker 1: eat gum, but it's the only way to show off
Speaker 1: the gum as you eat.
Speaker 3: It, right, Right, is that kind of curved, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's really actually it's showing off a technique there.
Speaker 4: They're sort of it's very instructional.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But also do you see what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that they were trying to like up the sex vibe
Speaker 1: of it. Oh yeah, right, for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean at the very I feel like that's where
Speaker 5: always they were going with Juicy Fruit because she at
Speaker 5: the beginning of that clip for those who haven't seen it,
Speaker 5: a lady is kicking off her top too, like she's
Speaker 5: wearing like a tiny little tank top underneath her sweatshirt
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like that's the opening of the video.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of the it's just like this sort
Speaker 5: of perfect eighties commercial, right, was like sexy lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, put it.
Speaker 5: In her mouth and where are we just having so
Speaker 5: much fun?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, but it is a co ed commercial.
Speaker 3: Like there also is like a guy without his shirt,
Speaker 3: Like it's really sort of showing off the kind of
Speaker 3: jocular like again, you're right that they up the ante
Speaker 3: like they were like, actually, juicy fruit can elicit even
Speaker 3: more athleticism from you, not just skiing, but now now
Speaker 3: like water skiing and more tricks.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, I will say this though nobody
Speaker 1: that group to me is more realistic in the sense
Speaker 1: that their skill level is more there's no one doing
Speaker 1: Olympic except that one guy who's like, who can like.
Speaker 2: A dancing in the he's breakdancing in the water.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's just like the show off. And
Speaker 1: he's you know, just the one guy who's he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we grew up going to the beach every summer, you know,
Speaker 1: like he just has so much skill. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I feel like this group is pretty believable in this sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, Vanessa that I felt like
Speaker 3: this was a realistic group of friends.
Speaker 4: Like I belive there was a believability.
Speaker 3: Factor in this one, Yeah, which I really appreciated. I
Speaker 3: think that they dialed it in casting wise, like kudos
Speaker 3: to that casting agent and.
Speaker 2: Kara to your point, I guess about the song. I mean,
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard the song of probably twenty five years,
Speaker 2: but I probably heard thousands of times in the eighties,
Speaker 2: And as soon as it kicked in, I was like
Speaker 2: had a visceral reaction, like it is so catchy.
Speaker 1: It's so catchy.
Speaker 3: And first, I mean that guitar tone at the top
Speaker 3: is terrible, but it's it's like terrible in that way
Speaker 3: that you're you do a little like shoulder dance. You're
Speaker 3: just I mean, yeah, it's We will be singing the
Speaker 3: song all night, and as people listen to this song,
Speaker 3: when they hear the podcast, they are going to look
Speaker 3: up these videos.
Speaker 1: They will have this song in their head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Corn, what are your thoughts on the song?
Speaker 5: I think it's kind of bizarre, like get your skis
Speaker 5: shine of grow, Like it's just it's so weird and
Speaker 5: unique that it is incredibly memorable. Like I just want
Speaker 5: to work backwards from like where that like, okay, we
Speaker 5: need to promote the gum, right, We're gonna go skiing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but I do think they did an
Speaker 1: effective job because I don't know if you remember this,
Speaker 1: but like when I think about having juicy fruit gum,
Speaker 1: I feel like invigorated, Like I feel sort of like
Speaker 1: ready to, like you know, not necessarily hit the slopes,
Speaker 1: but like there is something about it that it almost
Speaker 1: feels like like they've branded it to be almost like
Speaker 1: Red Bull.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, which yeah, because I think of Big Red
Speaker 2: and that's another gun from that area, and nothing comes up,
Speaker 2: like I don't have any sort.
Speaker 1: Of just me eating too much of it and then
Speaker 1: my mouth starting to burn, yeah yeah, yeah. Whereas with
Speaker 1: juicy fruit, you could sort of have you could eat
Speaker 1: that whole pack, and.
Speaker 5: That's like lunch in the nineteen eighty jesy fruit that's
Speaker 5: also what you were supposed to eat during the day.
Speaker 2: It was just gone right right now, did you all know?
Speaker 1: And Olivia brought up for a second, there was an
Speaker 1: earlier juicy fruit commercial with a different song that's sort
Speaker 1: of similar. We can listen to it. And actually the
Speaker 1: band Aha said that take on Me, Take on Me
Speaker 1: like used to be called the juicy Fruit song, and
Speaker 1: that they were influenced by this Juicy Fruit commercial to
Speaker 1: right take on Me. So let's go let's watch this original.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know why Juicy Fruit
Speaker 1: would have then changed their jingle, but obviously it worked
Speaker 1: for them. They took a swing. Anyway, Let's let's listen
Speaker 1: to the original song that that influenced.
Speaker 4: Aha, I love this. You're blowing my mind right now.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: Sunshine.
Speaker 5: You can't.
Speaker 2: Another Sunday start shot, start.
Speaker 3: Sh little bit reggaees and little I mean very very little,
Speaker 3: but yeah, definitely a hint there. I can see where
Speaker 3: it was going up and they were doing the take
Speaker 3: on Me bye a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem I don't hear it a ton,
Speaker 1: but they said, they said, like we partially got that
Speaker 1: song from.
Speaker 2: Have there been any Slater Kinney songs influenced by commercials?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not consciously.
Speaker 3: But what would be amazing is if there was actually
Speaker 3: a handful of huge hit songs like take on Me
Speaker 3: that were influenced by the second Juicy Fruit commercial. Like
Speaker 3: what if this Juicy Fruit jingle writer actually has influenced
Speaker 3: a ton of Billboard.
Speaker 4: Top one hundred hits. Wait, did you look up the
Speaker 4: jingle writer?
Speaker 1: No, we shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should. Definitely we should look up.
Speaker 1: The jingle writer. I don't know who I do, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's just because I'm more used to it. I
Speaker 1: do find the newer jingle to be so much more
Speaker 1: catchy than yes than the Pocketful of Sunshine one. But
Speaker 1: isn't it funny that they do some of the same
Speaker 1: moves in the commercial, like the visually, like passing the
Speaker 1: gum in front of someone's No, instead of like passing
Speaker 1: it to someone who's next to the person, they pass
Speaker 1: it to someone who's two people away, so that the
Speaker 1: person in the middle it goes right under their nose
Speaker 1: and they can smell it.
Speaker 3: They can smell it, but they don't get it. They
Speaker 3: don't get to taste it.
Speaker 1: Right, It's they get such an tea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tease of the gump. They get a
Speaker 3: good sniff though.
Speaker 1: They get a good sniff in there, and that's sort
Speaker 1: of you know, that's part of the Then then that
Speaker 1: became part of the sun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right because in the Pocket Full of Sunshine,
Speaker 3: they don't allude, they don't call out the.
Speaker 1: Sniff, but they show it.
Speaker 3: And so I wonder if like audiences or the ad
Speaker 3: writers or the Juicy Fruit corporation said, you know what
Speaker 3: that that's pretty crucial to our brain is we got
Speaker 3: sent for the perfume.
Speaker 1: Were the perfume of gums. We want people to even
Speaker 1: on the radio to know that this is something you
Speaker 1: gotta smell. And you know, it's funny because for people
Speaker 1: listening that Pocket of Sunshine, that original commercial, they're being active,
Speaker 1: but not quite as they're sailing. So they're they're not
Speaker 1: like windsurfing or windsurfing. Excuse me, they're windsurfing. So actually
Speaker 1: that's a pretty active sport, but there's it doesn't quite
Speaker 1: have the excitement of watching someone do crazy ski tricks.
Speaker 3: I will I will point out that Juicy Fruit was
Speaker 3: was going for a very specific audience, like these are
Speaker 3: sort of like middle to upper class sports. These are
Speaker 3: not This is not soccer baseball. This is not an
Speaker 3: every person sport, right this this they're differentiating themselves as
Speaker 3: a gum for almost like private school kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like resort people who go to resorts.
Speaker 2: I have to picture these people going camping having like
Speaker 2: all the gear you.
Speaker 1: Know, and then lamp in Jonah.
Speaker 2: They're going lamp and they got all the tent all
Speaker 2: the fancy gear and then they're like, let's go to
Speaker 2: a college football game this weekend. And then they're like
Speaker 2: going to the game and they have like all the
Speaker 2: logo merged, like they that's kind of the.
Speaker 1: Crew and the day that they're not skiing or what activity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's an elite gum. They're trying to
Speaker 3: differentiate themselves from Doublemint, you know, which is just a
Speaker 3: bunch of like sexed up twins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's another one that I completely forgot
Speaker 1: that they branded so hard with Twins. Like in a way,
Speaker 1: that's like how I'm supposed to buy this because Twins heated.
Speaker 2: It's so much, it's so literal all this stuff like
Speaker 2: the Doublemint or like in this commercial where they're like
Speaker 2: everything that they sing the song has to happen on
Speaker 2: screen at that moment or people won't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is if you take a sniff, like
Speaker 1: we'll show what that looks like.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And also there's almost nothing grosser between friends or family
Speaker 3: than asking someone to smell something like that's never a
Speaker 3: good setup.
Speaker 2: It's also like the most art official stuff, I guess
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, they kind of revamped some
Speaker 2: of the ingredients and they changed the sugar to aspartain
Speaker 2: and s sulfame potassium.
Speaker 3: But aspartain's terrible for you, Like that earlier iteration, I
Speaker 3: want the old school juicy fruit gum with lots of sugar,
Speaker 3: just yeah, lots of pineapple whatever was in there.
Speaker 1: Now, apparently they did a collaboration with Starburst where you
Speaker 1: could get Starburst flavored juicy fruit gum in fruit punch, cherry,
Speaker 1: and watermelon flavors. So that's taken your standard juicy fruit
Speaker 1: gum and adding those artificial flavors to it in a
Speaker 1: way that absolutely makes me want to throw up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like the four loco of gums. Like that
Speaker 3: doesn't sound appealing, but I like that they did a
Speaker 3: collab you know again, Yeah, they were just such early
Speaker 3: adopters of these trends.
Speaker 1: You've got to stay relevant, you know, like you have
Speaker 1: to collapse.
Speaker 3: You know, this is a high end gum that was
Speaker 3: totally sophisticated. Yeah, Like it's basically it's it's high fashion.
Speaker 1: It's runway. It's runway. It's runway gum and gum. I
Speaker 1: think it still exists, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It does exist. It's been discontinued in a couple of countries, okay,
Speaker 2: but it is still available in the United States. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I haven't been in the gum aisle in the wild,
Speaker 2: but I think it's there.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine buying it, And I don't mean that
Speaker 1: as a burn to it just feels Wasn't the other
Speaker 1: thing about those gums, which I guess is true of
Speaker 1: all gum in the like eighties and nineties, that like
Speaker 1: they lost flavor really quickly. Yeah, isn't that sort of
Speaker 1: a everyone's going really silent in a way that makes
Speaker 1: me feel like I said something controversial.
Speaker 5: No, I think you're I think you're right, Vanessa, because
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like the next gen of
Speaker 5: gum was the flip that lasts a whole long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like we asked so much more of gum, and
Speaker 5: then following decades we were like, I want to have
Speaker 5: a bright smile with my dog.
Speaker 3: Right, whitening whitening gum like teeth whitening, but also addressing
Speaker 3: bad breath like this says nothing about like like now
Speaker 3: gum is marketed as sort of like a breath freshener,
Speaker 3: but this is it's almost like a stimulant like in
Speaker 3: this case, like it's like a gatorade or like a
Speaker 3: I don't know, yes, is just a strong like foreplay tool.
Speaker 1: I guess part of the reason that it's branded so
Speaker 1: much like it's again like like a sort of a
Speaker 1: red Bull type thing is because it didn't really do
Speaker 1: anything except be something to chew on, so they had
Speaker 1: to give it like a strong like again, like if
Speaker 1: I put a piece of juicy gum in my mouth,
Speaker 1: I think I'll feel ready to like rage like or
Speaker 1: just like take on the world.
Speaker 3: That would be amazing if that was your secret, like
Speaker 3: when people asked about your process, if juicy fruit was
Speaker 3: part of that, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, keeps me up, keeps me present, like
Speaker 1: I just present grounded.
Speaker 3: It gives me that kind of realness. But I absolutely
Speaker 3: agree that this kind of gum is the gum that
Speaker 3: tastes terrible after you chew it like ten times, Yeah
Speaker 3: for sure, just an unrecognizable flavor in your mouth and
Speaker 3: like very hard as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, oh go ahead, Jonah.
Speaker 2: And and then it's like what do you do with it?
Speaker 2: You got to have somewhere to spit it out. You know,
Speaker 2: like there's that whole thing.
Speaker 1: It does come with those rappers, though, You've got a
Speaker 1: little rapper if you can hang on to that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember the gum where it was like
Speaker 2: you were supposedly could eat the wrapper because it was
Speaker 2: like edible.
Speaker 1: Oh people said that about Dantine gum. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember eating a lot of paper.
Speaker 1: I remember it was sort of a it was sort
Speaker 1: of a childhood party trick for mine. For me, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I guess I'll eat this gum in the
Speaker 1: paper and people would be like what, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: it breaks down in your mouth, you idiot.
Speaker 4: Oh, so these are like early this is like early
Speaker 4: performance for you.
Speaker 1: These are like.
Speaker 3: Wait, what was the gum? That was the striped gum?
Speaker 3: That was also fruit striped gum?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really liked I really liked that.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then bubble tape, bubble tape. Whoa, I could
Speaker 1: down a whole bubble tape in one sitting.
Speaker 3: You really said the word eat, like you know, this
Speaker 3: is not for a swallow, remember that?
Speaker 1: What about?
Speaker 3: How about let's address the rumor that people had this
Speaker 3: sort of apocryphal tale that if you swallow gum.
Speaker 4: It would you would never digest it or would be
Speaker 4: in your stomach for.
Speaker 1: Like thirty years system forever. Yes, yeah, I think they've
Speaker 1: not known it's seven years. Wait for real, really no,
Speaker 1: seven years? Wow, some of us have just gotten rid
Speaker 1: of gum recently. Is it really seven years? It's so
Speaker 1: funny that before the Internet you could just say your
Speaker 1: whole life and people would be like, uh huh, and
Speaker 1: what about did you ever? Jonah was really into Big
Speaker 1: League two? Yeah, which were those little which in retrospect
Speaker 1: is so disgusting. Jonah. It's just like a bag of
Speaker 1: shredded gum.
Speaker 2: It was marketed almost as like chewing tobacco for kids. Yes,
Speaker 2: for little leaguers, yes, but I remember being on the
Speaker 2: baseball team being like, oh, we gotta eat this. This
Speaker 2: is like what adults do or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like candy cigarettes, Like it's shocking that parents
Speaker 3: would buy this for their children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd just be stuffing shreds of gum in
Speaker 1: your mouth. That was truly discussed.
Speaker 2: Root beer flavor gum. Yes, good times.
Speaker 3: I will say it felt like bigling chew was very gendered,
Speaker 3: like it was definitely marketed a little heavily towards boys.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1: Agree, and to me also, we never got to have
Speaker 1: bubblicious and that kind of gum because that I don't
Speaker 1: know that that was marketed to girls. But it felt
Speaker 1: like sugar cereal or something like. It felt like it
Speaker 1: was so bad for you that are we couldn't have
Speaker 1: it in our house. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Remember there was also that differentiation for a while between
Speaker 3: like sugarless gum, right like or sugar I right, probably
Speaker 3: is a response to the juicy fruits and the striped
Speaker 3: of the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, A four out of five dentists approved, right,
Speaker 5: right right.
Speaker 7: That dentist approved to the point where they almost got
Speaker 7: you in a like I think corny when you were
Speaker 7: talking like there were almost gums where they implied that
Speaker 7: they brushed your.
Speaker 1: Teeth for you.
Speaker 5: Well, if four out of five a dentists approve, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: well that takes caver everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm done with my toothbrush. I just threw mine out. Olivia,
Speaker 1: our producer, said the original pitch of Big League Chew
Speaker 1: was a healthy alternative to tobacco.
Speaker 2: So that it was like the first version of jewel
Speaker 2: of the Jewel dates right, but.
Speaker 1: It was marketed yeah, maybe. Do you think it was
Speaker 1: marketed to like baseball players who chew tobacco at first?
Speaker 1: And then they were like, we're too we see right
Speaker 1: through this. And then kids were like, we don't wait.
Speaker 1: Olivia says it was literally it was. It was marketed
Speaker 1: to adults at first, big league chew.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's shocking to me because it's like adults are so smart,
Speaker 1: not all of them. Guess yeah, all.
Speaker 2: Right, we're going to take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 2: be right back with carrying corn.
Speaker 1: Now we're back. Does anyone have any final words about
Speaker 1: Juicy Fruit, the commercials, the jingle, or should we just
Speaker 1: have it be in our heads for the rest of
Speaker 1: our lives.
Speaker 3: Well, I invite everyone with me today and all the
Speaker 3: listeners to get the song in your head two to
Speaker 3: three times a year. I think it's a real It's
Speaker 3: as refreshing as the gum.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: I also invite all of us to go on a
Speaker 5: skate trip together at some point, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to. And that's one thing we
Speaker 1: learn from Juicy Fruit. You don't have to ask people
Speaker 1: are you good? Are you bad? Because if we've earn
Speaker 1: one thing from the Juicy fruit skiing commercials, it's that
Speaker 1: you go in a big group. It's not about that
Speaker 1: some people wear shorts, some people wear pants. Everybody's just
Speaker 1: there to have a blast. It's not having a blast.
Speaker 3: And I also, I just want to just say to
Speaker 3: the gum industry, like time to get fun again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you've lost yours or shine and you've lost the smell.
Speaker 4: It's not just about, you know, freshening the breast.
Speaker 2: So true, so true.
Speaker 1: Well, now we're going to play little game with y'all.
Speaker 1: It's called change dot.
Speaker 2: Door Change dot door.
Speaker 1: Otherwise known as let's make fun of people who don't
Speaker 1: know how to use change dot org. And in this game,
Speaker 1: we'll bring up three different somewhat nostalgic things that people
Speaker 1: are trying to bring back with petitions unchanged dot org,
Speaker 1: and we'll kind of at the end, we'll each vote
Speaker 1: for our favorite the petition that we would sign if
Speaker 1: we had to sign one of these petitions. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this first one is a petition to change the name
Speaker 1: of cheesecake to cheese pie. And this person said, cheesecake
Speaker 1: is a lie. Cheesecake shares nothing with all known cakes,
Speaker 1: chocolate cake, vanilla cake, lasagna, and pancakes. It's about time
Speaker 1: we recognize this as it. I want to change all
Speaker 1: references to cheesecake to cheese pie. Now, some of our
Speaker 1: listeners may remember we in a different episode, we brought
Speaker 1: up a petition called Lasagna is Cake. And I was
Speaker 1: shocked that this person included Did you notice that when
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 5: Gonna ask you about what why is lazagna?
Speaker 1: Is this the same person you think? I looked it
Speaker 1: up to see if it was the same person, and
Speaker 1: it was. It didn't seem to be, although they might
Speaker 1: have just used a different name. But this petition came
Speaker 1: out three years after the Lasagna is Cake petition, and
Speaker 1: the Lasagna is Cake petition was made out to non believers,
Speaker 1: and this petition was made out to humanity, And so
Speaker 1: I feel like, if this isn't the same person, it's
Speaker 1: someone who was heavily influenced by Lasagna is a cake.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I found it. I found it odd that
Speaker 1: this person was listing kinds of cake and they included lasagna.
Speaker 4: It undermines their argument, but yeah, that's just me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're going to be such sticklers, then why
Speaker 1: are they including that. Yeah. What do you both think about.
Speaker 2: This changing cheesecake cheese pie?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it goes back to the Lasagni thing,
Speaker 3: like if if the category of cake is actually that broad,
Speaker 3: then why shouldn't it just be cheesecake. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I think I'm fine with cheesecake. I see a pie
Speaker 3: as a very different shape. Yeah, I guess, But I
Speaker 3: also I don't know. I don't feel strongly.
Speaker 5: I think the problem is that they're they're up against
Speaker 5: cheesecake factory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's right corn. Yeah, yeah, say that to those,
Speaker 1: to those CEOs, tell them to change it. They're going
Speaker 1: to re name the restaurant. I think you've got more
Speaker 1: power than them. Yeah, also cheese pie.
Speaker 3: It just it's like you need you need that consonants,
Speaker 3: that second consonant right in the second word there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonah, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree, I agree, you know, And it's also like,
Speaker 2: you know, do we got to do we have to
Speaker 2: label everything? You know what I'm saying, Like you know,
Speaker 2: you two know it. I'm sure your band's been called
Speaker 2: you know, like Indie Racker all this stuff. It's like
Speaker 2: it's just music, It's just a dessert. You know, we don't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't need to fit in a box.
Speaker 1: Well, this does have three hundred and forty signatures. How
Speaker 1: many do you need?
Speaker 2: It's a big right, right, probably?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They keep moving the goalpost, like if you get five hundred,
Speaker 2: they say you can get thousand. It's always you can
Speaker 2: never get there. Okay, but that's still not bad. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are three hundred and forty people that saw this
Speaker 2: and we're like, I'll sign Yeah, Vanessa, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on this one?
Speaker 1: I actually I'm not a huge cheesecake person, Like I
Speaker 1: don't love it, and I think part of the reason
Speaker 1: might be I'm not saying that I would sign this,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I like cake more than cheesecake.
Speaker 1: And there is something someone made a comment on this
Speaker 1: petition where they said cheesecake has a crust and no
Speaker 1: actual cake. It is very clearly a pie. And I
Speaker 1: think that, Like, as a kid trying cheesecake for the
Speaker 1: first time, I was like, what the hell. I think
Speaker 1: that's because it does in some ways resemble a pie.
Speaker 1: So again, this person, to your point, Carrie, has completely
Speaker 1: blown their argument by saying that lasagna and let's be honest,
Speaker 1: pancakes are cake. But that having been said, I think
Speaker 1: they could have made a better argument, and I would
Speaker 1: have been more on board, is all.
Speaker 3: I'm also thinking that it's also a miss appropriation of cheese. Right,
Speaker 3: It's like so many unexpected elements in cheesecake. It's not
Speaker 3: what you're expecting from cake, but it's also not what
Speaker 3: you're expecting from cheese.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: Maybe it should be called like sour pie.
Speaker 4: You please start that petition. I'd sign it.
Speaker 1: It sounds a little less appetizing, but it is more
Speaker 1: of like a sour cream pie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just imagining that on like a menu, like
Speaker 3: for Desserve tonight, we have a sour pie.
Speaker 2: The sour Pie Factory.
Speaker 4: Right to Corn's point, that's a huge change.
Speaker 1: It's just sort of such a rebranding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough, all right, So I think we're in
Speaker 2: agreement on that one. The next one is called Christmas
Speaker 2: has Santa Hanuka Needs You? This one says everywhere you
Speaker 2: turn these days, it's a sea of red and green.
Speaker 2: While Christmas is certainly deserving of all the attention, there's
Speaker 2: another December holiday that's largely ignored hint it's called Hanukkah
Speaker 2: or should we say Hanukkah.
Speaker 1: The grammar on these isn't always Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm going to kind of self edit as we with
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford as a new face of the Festival Lights Hannukah,
Speaker 2: Like Han Solo, Okay, now you get it. Hanukah can
Speaker 2: walk out of the shadows and into the spotlight. Please
Speaker 2: sign this position to convince Harrison Ford to become Hanukah's
Speaker 2: new spokesperson. Only Han Sola himself has the star power
Speaker 2: to make the Festival of Lights that much brighter. Cornating Carrie,
Speaker 2: what do you think about making Harrison Ford the face
Speaker 2: of hannka.
Speaker 1: I'm up for it. I think he might be up
Speaker 1: for it. I mean if he did Indiana Jones.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the most recent one is like number five
Speaker 5: something like that. I mean the guy is like he
Speaker 5: fulfills the role.
Speaker 1: Yeah why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? Hanka?
Speaker 4: Right, So you're saying it kind of has its own holiday.
Speaker 1: Sort of like I thought about this too. I thought,
Speaker 1: what is this person asking for? It's hard because Santa.
Speaker 1: I think they're saying in the way that Santa is
Speaker 1: the face of Christmas. Harrison Ford should be the face
Speaker 1: of Hanukkah, but maybe dressed as Hans Solo. And I
Speaker 1: think it's tough because Santa very clearly has a role
Speaker 1: that's associated with Christmas, whereas Hans Solo and Hanikah are
Speaker 1: really only similar in name. But I think they just
Speaker 1: want like sort of a spokesperson for Hanukkah in the
Speaker 1: same way that Santa is the spokesperson. Right.
Speaker 4: They're combining their interests here, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: They they want Hankah to have be personified with a
Speaker 3: friendly character, and they love Star Wars there, and they
Speaker 3: love play on words, and they're just trying to combine
Speaker 3: all these things. It feels a little forced, and.
Speaker 4: That's that's maybe my criticism.
Speaker 3: Plus, it just it's again that kind of christmasification of
Speaker 3: all the December holidays, Like, right, well, we don't really
Speaker 3: need to make everything more like Christmas.
Speaker 4: Christmas is great as is.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I feel like it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of nice that Christmas has Santa and Honika as
Speaker 3: something else and kwansask something else, like yes, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jonah, what do you think about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think this person has to be way more
Speaker 2: clear on what they're asking for. It's way too confusing, Vanessa.
Speaker 1: Something that I hid from you all, which because I
Speaker 1: am the person who found this petition.
Speaker 2: You have Vanessa found this.
Speaker 1: Yes, is this person made a video okay kind of
Speaker 1: stating their case. And something that is tough on change
Speaker 1: shot org is that a lot of people use it
Speaker 1: to promote their comedy careers. I feel that this person
Speaker 1: like made a whole video where they were like, what's
Speaker 1: going on with Hanukkah? Though, like can't we have? And
Speaker 1: I felt, you know, I say to these people, this
Speaker 1: isn't the place to get your stuff seen. Okay, this
Speaker 1: isn't Again, this is a misuse of change shot org
Speaker 1: in the sense that not only is it not what
Speaker 1: these petitions are supposed to generally supposed to be about
Speaker 1: on change dot org, I think, but also this isn't
Speaker 1: where you're getting viewers, you know. And I I'd like
Speaker 1: to give this person the benefit of it out and
Speaker 1: think that maybe they put it on YouTube or something
Speaker 1: as well. But this feels like I read the petition
Speaker 1: and was looking at it before I realized that there
Speaker 1: was an accompanying kind of like short comedy film that
Speaker 1: went with it. And I can't really support this person
Speaker 1: because I because I don't think they are supporting themselves.
Speaker 3: If I'm being it's yeah, I see there's a contrivance here.
Speaker 3: It's it's not even an earnest saying right.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to see it had seven supporters. That's low.
Speaker 1: That's really low. And that's kind of what the person's
Speaker 1: bar is. Okay, if they're putting their material on change
Speaker 1: dot org again, a great way to get stuff seen,
Speaker 1: but not in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I see you want to get into our
Speaker 2: last one.
Speaker 1: Sure, this last one is called rename the American Football
Speaker 1: House the Slater Kinney Halfpipe House. And this person says,
Speaker 1: EMO is fine and all, but did you know that
Speaker 1: Slater Kinney played in a half pipe at the American
Speaker 1: Football House in the late nineties. That's significantly cooler than
Speaker 1: Mike Kinsella.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the American Football I think it's in
Speaker 2: like somewhere in Illinois, and it's on the cover of
Speaker 2: this kind of like legendary record on polyvinyl for American Football.
Speaker 2: And I guess this petition is saying that Slater Kinney
Speaker 2: performed there inside of a half pipe. I think it's
Speaker 2: in Urbana or something. Does that sound familiar to either
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 3: We performed inside of a half pipe in Urbana, Champagne
Speaker 3: or champage in Illinois.
Speaker 2: I think it's somewhere in Illinois.
Speaker 3: Well, we did once. Is it in Gailsburg, Illinois? We
Speaker 3: played there once. I mean, we've played a lot of
Speaker 3: weird places, but I did we play a half It's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in Urbana, near the campus of University Illinois, Urbana.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. It seems like we can never have Mike
Speaker 1: Kinsella on here because I one hundred percent thought this
Speaker 1: was like the Canton Hood Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize You don't realize it was a band.
Speaker 2: You thought this was an actual football reference. I thought like, okay,
Speaker 2: so next time I'll help with this this. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So no, it's a band. It's from the cover of
Speaker 2: this record. But the Polyvinyl Records recently bought this house,
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of like, oh, it's a house,
Speaker 2: it's a house, it's a house. Yes.
Speaker 3: Oh then yes, we probably did play there and its
Speaker 3: absolutely should be renamed.
Speaker 4: Yes voting up vote, registering under multiple names.
Speaker 2: Yes, did Slater? Can you play a lot of house shows?
Speaker 5: Early on it was probably like on the Call the
Speaker 5: Doctor tour.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was Barrett like that tour.
Speaker 5: I want to say, ibooked to that tour, Like I
Speaker 5: made like so many weird phone calls and just had
Speaker 5: this weird thing of notes and we would just get
Speaker 5: in the van and drive and stay at somebody's house,
Speaker 5: play the house. There were like a handful of clubs,
Speaker 5: a lot of weird colleges on that tour.
Speaker 1: You don't remember being inside of a halfpipe thilk corn,
Speaker 1: you don't remember.
Speaker 5: I mean that tour so super weird that like, I
Speaker 5: feel like that's the tour that it happened on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you talking about the first dig Me Out
Speaker 3: tour or are you talking about talking about Call the Doctor?
Speaker 3: Oh with Tony, Yes, that is more likely. We definitely
Speaker 3: played some weird houses. New Orleans would have played a
Speaker 3: weird house there. Yeah, it would have been. It would
Speaker 3: have been there. But they're saying late nineties.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they said late nineties.
Speaker 3: So that would have been ding Me Out or Hot Rock.
Speaker 3: I don't think we definitely weren't playing I think it's
Speaker 3: mid nineties. I think WARN's right they might be considering
Speaker 3: ninety six, late nineties, late night only because by the
Speaker 3: time dig Me Out came out, we had a professional
Speaker 3: booking agent who would have not booked a house show.
Speaker 1: But do you think they would have booked you at
Speaker 1: the Canton Football Hall of Fame, that.
Speaker 5: Guy not after dig Me Out? No, he would have
Speaker 5: been like, what, but we'll try to play there on
Speaker 5: this next tour. We've never I've never been to Canton.
Speaker 1: Oh yah. I think I've driven past the Hall of
Speaker 1: the Football Hall of Fame in that's most of my Oh.
Speaker 1: I've been to the Kanton Akron Airport, which is a
Speaker 1: great airport. If you if you end up playing Cleveland
Speaker 1: and you want to go to an even smaller airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flying into the Beachland Ballrooms, fly right into Akron.
Speaker 2: You can drive an extra hour.
Speaker 4: I love Beachland Ballroom.
Speaker 2: Yes, great venue, great venues. So what did you think
Speaker 2: about this petition to rename the American Football House the
Speaker 2: I guess Slater Kenny Halfpipe House. I said yes, you
Speaker 2: said yes, Okay, you said yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean why not? I feel like we have
Speaker 3: to root for ourselves. Sharge sort of athletic you know
Speaker 3: where it is. They're sort of conjuring sports and we
Speaker 3: should just be leaving for our team, even though it
Speaker 3: is a really like pretty at album cover. So I
Speaker 3: feel like we have a a very uphill line for us.
Speaker 2: A lot of people with the tattoos of this album
Speaker 2: cover are going to be confused.
Speaker 3: But confused but easy enough to change probably when Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why it's good enough artist good artists important?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Do you agree? I sure? I agree?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we want to like brand that you know,
Speaker 5: and get our name out there.
Speaker 1: Sure? Why not? Yes?
Speaker 3: For a band that is not even sure that we
Speaker 3: played this place where definitely we're going to fight pretty hard,
Speaker 3: probably probably bring the legal team.
Speaker 1: Don't know what about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough for me, you know, I like, I
Speaker 2: really like both of these bands. I'm friends with both
Speaker 2: of them. But look, Karen Corner on the podcast, they're here,
Speaker 2: you know, they showed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's American football? Probably out there practicing their pitch
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll support Vanessa. Yeah, we get it. We
Speaker 2: get it about the name, you know, it's confusing for you.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this one?
Speaker 1: I go and I'm sure they're a great band, and
Speaker 1: I don't mean to bring them and I hope they
Speaker 1: you know, but the name's confusing.
Speaker 2: Okay enough, I know that their fans of years also
Speaker 2: been essay.
Speaker 1: Okay, I am fans of theirs, and.
Speaker 3: They'll do the podcast and they'll root for themselves. We're
Speaker 3: also open to a timeshare or hybrid perfect.
Speaker 1: I think these fans, while I respect them, they're huge
Speaker 1: Slater kindy fans. It's like, you don't have to pit
Speaker 1: one band against the other, you know, we can on.
Speaker 4: A football you almost said Slater football.
Speaker 1: Sorry. I actually think that that might be kind of
Speaker 1: a cool tour. You you and American football and it's
Speaker 1: called Slater football, and you all get out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe throwing a song that is about
Speaker 1: you know, halftime.
Speaker 3: Halftime, Oh, halftime, half pipe, halftime on the half pipe.
Speaker 1: Halftime on the half pipe. That's actually something that would
Speaker 1: be such a cool collab. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like kind of what Juicy Fruit and
Speaker 3: Starburst did back in the day.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we've figured it out well. So if
Speaker 1: everyone had designed one petition, you have to pick one now.
Speaker 1: And the petitions are change the name of cheesecake to
Speaker 1: cheese pie. Christmas as Santa Hanika needs you the han
Speaker 1: nikot One and rename the American Football House to the
Speaker 1: Slater Kinney Halfpipe Pouse. I haven't made it easy on
Speaker 1: anyone because I don't know if anyone feels strong, but
Speaker 1: we usually don't. Jonah, do you want to go first?
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll do cheesecake to cheese pie. It's I feel
Speaker 2: like sort of based in reality, even though not really.
Speaker 2: What does anyone else think?
Speaker 4: I actually think I'm with you, Jonah.
Speaker 3: After I thought about it more, I find the whole
Speaker 3: notion of cheesecake absolutely misleading.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Coryn, Yeah, I think that we should make
Speaker 5: that change, and the cheesecake factory is just going to have.
Speaker 1: To get on board. Yeah, it's a new day. It's
Speaker 1: a new day. I have one hundred percent agree at
Speaker 1: cheese cake to cheese pie. I'd like to make a
Speaker 1: small adjustment though, cheese cake to sour pie. That's my pick. Sure, sure, Okay.
Speaker 2: So you guys have a new record coming out January nineteenth,
Speaker 2: Little Rope and the movies to anything else you want
Speaker 2: to promote anything like that? Where can people find more
Speaker 2: about the band that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, people can go to our websites laterkinne dot com.
Speaker 3: The album comes out January nineteenth. Our music is available
Speaker 3: on streaming services and of course at your local record
Speaker 3: store if you so wish to buy the vinyl or
Speaker 3: maybe cassette or CD version of our album, and you
Speaker 3: can come see us on tour hopefully. That's really all
Speaker 3: we want to say. We'd love to see you on
Speaker 3: the road. We're excited and we're happy to be here.
Speaker 3: And yeah, let us know what you think about the record. Yeah,
Speaker 3: put it in the change change dot dork for.
Speaker 2: Next week, make a petition, Thank.
Speaker 1: God, make a petition.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Carrying Corn for coming on
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Speaker 2: We will discuss more stories from our childhood and cultural
Speaker 2: touchstones like the juicy fruit gum commercials. Thank you so much,
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