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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
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Speaker 4: the top of the week, which means it is time
Speaker 4: for strange news, bodies being found, games being regulated. A
Speaker 4: shout out perhaps at the end of tonight's show to
Speaker 4: all the stories we're not going to get to. But
Speaker 4: first things first, Raps, stay warm folks here amid the
Speaker 4: winter season in the Northern Hemisphere. But don't stay too warm.
Speaker 2: Oh no, not too warm. Wait, Ben, before we get
Speaker 2: into the stories, do you want to tell a personal
Speaker 2: story a little bit? You sent us a video of
Speaker 2: something that's been in the news that I was I
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear the full story about.
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, well, Matt, yes, it is true. Contacted contacted
Speaker 4: you off hours. Recently took a domestic flight wherein sitting
Speaker 4: in an exit row by a window, because planes are
Speaker 4: amazing and it's super awesome to look outside of a
Speaker 4: plane while it's in the air, set by an exit window,
Speaker 4: and saw that the interior of the window, the plastic
Speaker 4: shell of it, was detaching slowly from the rest of
Speaker 4: the plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I feel like maybe I saw something about
Speaker 2: that recently happening.
Speaker 5: Maybe your plane was used in like a fashion photo
Speaker 5: shooter or something.
Speaker 4: It was a Boeing seven to one to seven Max
Speaker 4: flying domestically. Yeah, alerted, the alerted the staff, great staff
Speaker 4: on the plane and they said, well, you know, it's
Speaker 4: like the old Yeah, it's like the old joke about
Speaker 4: complaining to a waiter about a fly in your soup
Speaker 4: and the waiter says, well, don't tell anyone because they'll
Speaker 4: want one too. But uh, but made it, made it
Speaker 4: safe and sound, and it perhaps goes to a larger
Speaker 4: conversation we'll have in a future episode about aviation, the
Speaker 4: nature of regulation, the nature of flying the friendly sky.
Speaker 2: I mean, but I think the day you sent it
Speaker 2: was the day that that Alaska Airlines flight had literally
Speaker 2: a hidden door inside the fuselage pop off mid flight.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 2: We used to do that, and then the FAA grounded
Speaker 2: all the Boeing similar aircraft, so it was just like
Speaker 2: a thing. And I'm really glad you made it through
Speaker 2: that flight. And we're here today recording to talk about
Speaker 2: some news that's strange.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you might feel unsafe in the skies, but folks,
Speaker 4: you can also be unsafe in your own all.
Speaker 2: Right now, before we get too much of anxiety, this
Speaker 2: story does have a nice little conclusion with some things
Speaker 2: that we can protect ourselves with. But it is going
Speaker 2: to get eerie for a little bit, and it is
Speaker 2: a tragic story, so prepare yourself. Here we go. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to read the title of this article from
Speaker 2: NBC News Wyff, written by Janis Simon, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to be Simon. Yeah, I am going to read a
Speaker 2: lot from it and then say the title at the end,
Speaker 2: the headline so you can find it and shout out
Speaker 2: to you Janis for writing it and to you Wyff.
Speaker 2: But here we go, and this is going to be
Speaker 2: a lot of this is verbatim, so it's just kind
Speaker 2: of a storytelling thing. So here we go. This takes
Speaker 2: place in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and according to report from
Speaker 2: their Police Department, the Spartanburg Police Department. Police and medics
Speaker 2: were called just after six pm on this past Saturday,
Speaker 2: as we're recording this, so on Saturday, January sixth, to
Speaker 2: this home on Woodview Avenue there in Spartanburg. The family
Speaker 2: called and to bring them there for a welfare check
Speaker 2: because they hadn't heard from their parents since I guess
Speaker 2: it was the previous Wednesday, January third. When the officers arrived,
Speaker 2: he said, all the doors are locked, but the window
Speaker 2: leading into a bedroom was unsecures the way they put
Speaker 2: it so like you could open it from the outside.
Speaker 2: They removed the screen to that window, looked into the
Speaker 2: bedroom and they saw that there was an elderly couple
Speaker 2: in there that the family had called for the welfare check,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately that couple appeared to be deceased just from
Speaker 2: opening the window and looking in, so already tragic, like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, what happened. As the medics like basically
Speaker 2: went through that window, they noticed that the resonance was,
Speaker 2: as they describe it, extremely hot. In the bedroom. The
Speaker 2: man was found laying on the bed unclothed, facing upwards,
Speaker 2: and the woman was on the side of the bed
Speaker 2: in a chair, kind of slouched clothed, and they did
Speaker 2: not observe any signs of a struggle, no signs of
Speaker 2: foul play. But again the home itself was as they described, quote,
Speaker 2: extremely hot.
Speaker 3: But no fire or anything, right, no signs of a fire.
Speaker 2: The Spartanburg fire department was called the check for because
Speaker 2: what would you think maybe happen if there's no fire,
Speaker 2: but there's.
Speaker 4: Exactly something?
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so no signs of foul play, as you.
Speaker 2: Said, exactly, so fire department comes in checks for carbon
Speaker 2: monox poisoning. They didn't find any signs of that, so again,
Speaker 2: what the heck happened? The medics and first responders checked
Speaker 2: the temperature, the body temperature of the deceased, and they
Speaker 2: were using devices that measured up to one hundred and
Speaker 2: six degrees. That's the height of the temperature that could
Speaker 2: be read by these devices. Both victims were above that threshold.
Speaker 2: So basically the thermometer went two one oh six and
Speaker 2: then stopped. It errored out right that first of all,
Speaker 2: a human body temperature of one hundred and six.
Speaker 4: Is not good, no, especially if you're older. I mean
Speaker 4: exactly situation, it's very close to uh, it's very close
Speaker 4: to organ shutdown impact exactly.
Speaker 2: And if the thermometer isn't reading even to the actual temperature,
Speaker 2: it is likely that they were. That's probably how they died,
Speaker 2: probably right, but you can't see that for sure.
Speaker 5: Make sure you think of that cartoon scenario where the
Speaker 5: thermometer gets so hot that it pops, you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: to make light. But that's that's why. That is beyond
Speaker 5: the ability of the device to measure exactly.
Speaker 2: So listen to this. By the way, this is in
Speaker 2: South Carolina at a time when it is freezing, so
Speaker 2: not necessarily freezing temperatures, so below thirty two degrees fahrenheit outside,
Speaker 2: but we are very close to that threshold at this
Speaker 2: time in South Carolina where they where this house is, right,
Speaker 2: that's the exterior temperature. The fire department who measured the
Speaker 2: interior temperature of the home got a reading of one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty degrees fahrenheit inside the house.
Speaker 4: So i'd be like a little longer fifty celsius.
Speaker 2: Correct, yes, something, just using fahrenheit for the folks in
Speaker 2: the States. And again that's just how my mind works
Speaker 2: with temperatures. Still unfortunately, but one hundred and twenty degrees
Speaker 2: is super hot. I would I don't know, guys, Median
Speaker 2: medium let's say median temperature for my home is around
Speaker 2: seventy five, like seventy four or seventy five, pretty good regulation.
Speaker 3: That's toasty.
Speaker 5: I mean for it to even maintain at that level,
Speaker 5: you'd have to have pretty good insulation.
Speaker 3: Well, that's in the weather.
Speaker 2: I guess that's more of a when it's hot outside
Speaker 2: temperature maybe or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but most American households are somewhere in
Speaker 4: that range, like sixty eight degrees fahrenheit to like seventy ish,
Speaker 4: depending upon exterior climate.
Speaker 5: Exactly seventy when it's cold outside is making your stuff
Speaker 5: work pretty hard to maintain that temperature exactly.
Speaker 2: So for that home to be one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: degrees when it's so cold outside is a serious issue.
Speaker 2: This reading was also taken after If you imagine first
Speaker 2: responders getting into the house, opening that window, then going
Speaker 2: through and opening the front door and opening probably other
Speaker 2: doors and leaving them open. That is, after twenty minutes
Speaker 2: of the home being opened to like the cold air
Speaker 2: or the hot air. I guess, being pushed out of
Speaker 2: a home.
Speaker 4: Oh and just for comparison, not to be ghoulish, we
Speaker 4: can look to most people's home ovens when you are
Speaker 4: cooking something. When you're baking something in an oven, one
Speaker 4: of the warnings you will receive is not to open
Speaker 4: the door before things are done, or to be very
Speaker 4: mindful about it, because one will lose so much heat
Speaker 4: when the seal is broken. That's what happens here. And
Speaker 4: it's still one hundred and twenty degrees fahrenheit.
Speaker 5: Yes, after minutes, twenty minutes I mean, and with it
Speaker 5: being quite cold outside, so I mean that transfer of
Speaker 5: heat would have been very quick. And for it to
Speaker 5: have only gone down to that temperature after twenty minutes
Speaker 5: is I use the word remarkable.
Speaker 3: This is nothing but tragic.
Speaker 5: But you know, scientifically speaking, thermodynamically speaking, this is a
Speaker 5: very very fascinating situation.
Speaker 3: I agreed.
Speaker 2: So let's say you're in the mind of those first responders.
Speaker 2: There's no fire in the home, the temperature is that high,
Speaker 2: What the heck's going on?
Speaker 3: What do you check?
Speaker 4: Check? The you check the heater or the heating elements there,
Speaker 4: because I imagine this is a home that has a
Speaker 4: water heater of some sort definitely has some sort of
Speaker 4: HVAC capability.
Speaker 2: That's it. The radiators, the air, furnace, the boilers, whatever
Speaker 2: it is that's heating that home, whether it's central air
Speaker 2: or some other you know, even space heaters. You go
Speaker 2: and you check whatever is heating that home. So they
Speaker 2: go down.
Speaker 5: They we're smelling gas, right, so the natural gas. So
Speaker 5: they the assumption there is that this is a gas
Speaker 5: heated home.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were smelling gas, but again no carbon monoxide
Speaker 2: poisoning levels. There are levels that would kill a person
Speaker 2: right right, And this is we're talking about natural gas here.
Speaker 2: That's probably coming out from some whoever serves their natural
Speaker 2: gas needs, whoever it is. So they go down to
Speaker 2: the basement, they find the heater and this is this
Speaker 2: is according to the official report. Firefighter said quote the
Speaker 2: heater was so hot it looked as if the basement
Speaker 2: was currently on fire, even though it was not. He said,
Speaker 2: I guess there was a warm glow to it of
Speaker 2: some sort that looked as though the fire.
Speaker 5: That haze that can happen, just some heat, like in
Speaker 5: the desert, you know, where you start to see things
Speaker 5: looking a little little dreamy, you know, Yeah, I bet
Speaker 5: that's exactly what it.
Speaker 4: Was, dissipating from pavement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's you know what, that makes so much sense, guys,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what they're describing. But they so they noticed that,
Speaker 2: oh it wasn't actually on fire, so they were able
Speaker 2: to get over to it close enough to turn the
Speaker 2: thing off. They measured the surface temperature of that air controller,
Speaker 2: the heater itself, and it was over one thousand degrees fahrenheit,
Speaker 2: which would.
Speaker 4: Be five hundred and thirty seven something degree celsius. Thank you, Ben, Yes, real, jeez.
Speaker 2: But just to have that amount of heat somewhere in
Speaker 2: your home where there's likely wood and you know what,
Speaker 2: whatever other materials are in your home that likely could
Speaker 2: catch fire, it's a wonder that nothing did right.
Speaker 4: That it is that part is indeed is indeed remarkable,
Speaker 4: and we could imagine that had had these first responders
Speaker 4: not arrived when they did that, the house could indeed
Speaker 4: have have gone up in flames. But yes, so, Matt,
Speaker 4: is there so some of us listening this evening are
Speaker 4: HVAC experts and and may have had similar encounters. Indeed,
Speaker 4: one of the first questions for all of us non
Speaker 4: HVAC experts is going to be something like, shouldn't shouldn't
Speaker 4: mass produced heating devices have some sort of sail safe
Speaker 4: that allows you to like that that ensures this won't happen.
Speaker 2: You're right on the money there, dude. Okay, So in
Speaker 2: order to there's more to the story, we'll we'll come
Speaker 2: back to it, but let's let's address this because this
Speaker 2: is super important. I made a call to Stuart pro
Speaker 2: Heating an Air, which is just a local HVAC company
Speaker 2: up here where I live.
Speaker 3: Cig work, by the way, creative work, Stuart.
Speaker 2: They actually do. I talked to Antonio there and he
Speaker 2: is He is saying it depends on the age of
Speaker 2: the system that was installed in that house, but all systems,
Speaker 2: even older ones, should function in series and should have
Speaker 2: several safety mechanisms in place to where if one of
Speaker 2: them is malfunctioning or just not working or not plugged in,
Speaker 2: the whole furnace itself would not even turn on. Like redundancy,
Speaker 2: it would know even if it's an older system, it
Speaker 2: would know that it should just not turn on to
Speaker 2: continue heating the house. However, he is saying that newer
Speaker 2: systems have a lot more devices that are connected for
Speaker 2: different types of issues that can go wrong. He mentioned
Speaker 2: a couple of things that I didn't fully understand, but
Speaker 2: he's saying like seven at least seven safety switches. There's
Speaker 2: a limit switch for temperature, a rollout trigger. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what that is, a blower safety switch.
Speaker 4: So like.
Speaker 2: If the fire flames actually occur and start to go
Speaker 2: out of the system, like exit the system where they're
Speaker 2: supposed to be, then it will shut itself off at.
Speaker 3: The very least though.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've I've blown my circuit breaker trip to
Speaker 5: my circuit breaker just by plugging in like a power
Speaker 5: saw and hitting it and then all of a sudden
Speaker 5: click everything. Why would this not have triggered a circuit
Speaker 5: to reset?
Speaker 2: Well, it depends electrical or not right, And that's the thing,
Speaker 2: Like is the amount of electricity going into it a problem?
Speaker 2: Or is it just that the system at theself doesn't
Speaker 2: know to shut off? Which is another which is another
Speaker 2: thing I checked out. I'll just shout this out. I
Speaker 2: went to Golden Rule plumbing, heating, cooling, and electrical. This
Speaker 2: person named Mark pop Paup wrote an article about common
Speaker 2: problems with a heating system that would cause it to
Speaker 2: continually heat a home thermometer.
Speaker 4: Thermometer has to play a role, right thermostatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if there's a problem with the thermostat and
Speaker 2: it's either non functioning or not installed correctly, or something
Speaker 2: happens to the wires, then potentially the system doesn't know
Speaker 2: that it's heated up to seventy degrees fahrenheit and it
Speaker 2: thinks maybe it's forty degrees fahrenheit in the home. So
Speaker 2: it's going to stay on and keep warming until that
Speaker 2: thermostat reaches the level it's supposed to hit.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing for it to tell it when to stop.
Speaker 2: Basonly, well, theoretically, again, at least according to Antonio and
Speaker 2: a lot of other writing, theoretically, the system should know
Speaker 2: to turn off because there it would the internal temperature.
Speaker 2: If it gets above one hundred and fifty degrees fahrenheit,
Speaker 2: the system should turn off, which in that case, it
Speaker 2: was a thousand degrees.
Speaker 5: Multiple failures, you know, in whatever happened. I'm curious to
Speaker 5: see what the that The ultimate takeaway was.
Speaker 2: Well, well, here's another thing from the article. Another major
Speaker 2: problem could be a frayed or disconnected wire. This is
Speaker 2: huge because I'm going to read directly from the article here.
Speaker 2: Whether you have a furnace, boiler or heat pump, a
Speaker 2: dedicated thermostat wire signals the heating system to shut off.
Speaker 2: If this wire has frayed or is accidentally disconnected, your
Speaker 2: heater will not know when it's time to turn off,
Speaker 2: and you will have perpetually warm air blowing, which, in
Speaker 2: my mind, at least no expert, that feels like potentially
Speaker 2: what happened, because and only because according to the family.
Speaker 2: You remember the family called in that wellness check. Yes,
Speaker 2: they were at the home on Wednesday, January third, because
Speaker 2: the house was not getting hot enough. They're both their
Speaker 2: water heater and their HVAC. Their heating system was not
Speaker 2: properly functioning, so it was really cold in the house.
Speaker 2: So family members went down into the basement attempted to
Speaker 2: fix the issues. And I'm just going to read this
Speaker 2: from the article. It says they started quote fiddling with it,
Speaker 2: moving a wire and the pilot light turned on. Once
Speaker 2: the light came back on, they left the home and
Speaker 2: then a few days later, after not hearing from their parents,
Speaker 2: they became concerned. So unfortunately and terrifyingly and tragically, it
Speaker 2: seems like maybe their attempts to help and fix this
Speaker 2: thing caused a problem that nobody saw coming right.
Speaker 5: Well right, big takeaway for me is that don't fiddle
Speaker 5: with stuff that you don't really know what you're fiddling with.
Speaker 5: And even if it seems like a waste of money,
Speaker 5: probably best to call a professional in situations like this.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean, if you're not confident.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that is one of the major takeaways, right,
Speaker 2: Like with anything electrical in your home, even if you
Speaker 2: know what you're doing, you think you know what you're doing,
Speaker 2: you just got to take such caution, right, any type
Speaker 2: electricity and anything that's going to deal with a pipe
Speaker 2: that contains natural gas.
Speaker 4: Good God, also brilliant marketing to call it natural gas
Speaker 4: in the first place. Story for a different day. But Matt, like,
Speaker 4: it makes me think to the we know from the
Speaker 4: article you shared that this couple themselves, they were not
Speaker 4: extremely mobile, they were an older cup yes, And is
Speaker 4: it then is it then possible that they fell asleep
Speaker 4: like I'm wondering. I'm wondering if there's a hockey sticker
Speaker 4: j curve escalation of temperature that occurred. I don't know.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Still, yeah, it's a horrible thing to think about, that
Speaker 2: whole boiling frogs thing that we always bring up on
Speaker 2: this show. But after it, you know, when it's uncomfortably hot,
Speaker 2: it's at least better than being freezing. And if you
Speaker 2: do go to sleep as it's warming up, you may
Speaker 2: not know. You may not wake up in your body
Speaker 2: temperature just continues heating. But we don't know in that
Speaker 2: either way, it's a tragic scenario. We don't know what
Speaker 2: happened to either victim in this scenario. There's been further
Speaker 2: reporting that you can find from Channel seven News A
Speaker 2: CBS channel WSPA. There's more stuff from WYFF. These are
Speaker 2: local stations. You can find their websites. The coroner has
Speaker 2: released the names of the couple. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: necessary for us to say it online here, especially just
Speaker 2: when it comes to privacy for the family, But you
Speaker 2: can find it if you want to.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: I don't have much more to say other than do like, theoretically,
Speaker 2: the systems won't do this, and there's so many companies
Speaker 2: out there that can look at a system if there's
Speaker 2: a major malfunction. Just use caution if you're in there
Speaker 2: working on it by yourself, or you send a family
Speaker 2: member in because I don't know, it's dangerous. But it's
Speaker 2: very unlikely this scenario is ever gonna happen, but there
Speaker 2: are major problems they can occur when you're dealing with
Speaker 2: natural gas and electricity. If you want to read the
Speaker 2: original article that we cited here from WYFF, you can
Speaker 2: find the headline South Carolina couple found dead in home
Speaker 2: where heater was found to be one thousand degrees. Police say, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more strange.
Speaker 5: News, and we've returned with more strange news. This one
Speaker 5: is a bit of an update for some stuff that
Speaker 5: we've talked about regarding the gaming industry in China, and
Speaker 5: when I say gaming industry, I'm referring to mobile games.
Speaker 5: I don't believe a lot of this regulation necessarily applies
Speaker 5: to consoles, but there are, as we know, a lot
Speaker 5: of very very popular mobile games, and they're extremely popular
Speaker 5: in We talked a bit about the Chinese gaming companies
Speaker 5: ten Cent and net Ease, which are two massive players
Speaker 5: in the space that focus I believe, almost exclusively on
Speaker 5: these types of mobile games.
Speaker 3: And while certain console type games.
Speaker 5: Like you know, for the PlayStation or Xbox or whatever,
Speaker 5: do have micro transactions, ways to update parts of the
Speaker 5: game that you don't like get all of upon purchase,
Speaker 5: or maybe you know things like Fortnite, where the game
Speaker 5: itself is free, but you buy in game currency that
Speaker 5: you can use to upgrade your skins or weapons or
Speaker 5: what have you. Mobile games, the bread and butter of
Speaker 5: most of these is in app purchases. The games oftentimes
Speaker 5: are completely free, you know, to download and to play,
Speaker 5: but you end up in situations, as Ben would put it,
Speaker 5: situations that will not really allow you to advance in
Speaker 5: the game or to feel as though you're getting the
Speaker 5: most out of the game. And these are by design.
Speaker 5: They get you frustrated. They get you in a mindset
Speaker 5: where if you're really into the game and you want
Speaker 5: to quote unquote compete, especially if they're online you know,
Speaker 5: components or like multiplayer competitions with some of these apps,
Speaker 5: you want to be competitive, so you're gonna invest, You're
Speaker 5: gonna throw down some actual bucks, uh, non bend bucks.
Speaker 3: In these ecosystems, which.
Speaker 5: Are kind of these little closed ecosystems. Oftentimes the purchases
Speaker 5: are not through some sort of third party marketplace like
Speaker 5: an app store or whatever they are directly.
Speaker 3: You know, with that the company that makes the game.
Speaker 5: And we've talked about China oftentimes a little bit draconian
Speaker 5: methods of controlling, you know, some of the behaviors of
Speaker 5: their citizens with things like you know, sesame credit, for example,
Speaker 5: the idea of having to you know, have a certain
Speaker 5: score in order to get airline tickets in order to travel,
Speaker 5: and all of that stuff, and ben that is still
Speaker 5: somewhat of a you know, down the road thing. It's
Speaker 5: not really happening or has been rolled out the whole
Speaker 5: sesame credit system.
Speaker 4: Sesame credit in its final form, as the Pokemon fans
Speaker 4: might say, I think it's The problem is, as we
Speaker 4: talked about, as you indicated, it started as opt in,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's fully I don't know
Speaker 4: whether it's fully rolled out to all of mainland China's population,
Speaker 4: but is definitely on the way.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: So that's all that to say, this is a thing
Speaker 5: that the government of China likes to do. They would
Speaker 5: claim for the greater good, they would claim for the
Speaker 5: benefit of their citizens, and a lot of these regulations
Speaker 5: extends to the gaming I believe they've already imposed an
Speaker 5: hour and a half daily playtime limit for minors. And
Speaker 5: this is something that affects the two point four billion
Speaker 5: gamers in China. And now this is actually a story
Speaker 5: that kind of kicked off or was announced in late December,
Speaker 5: but we haven't talked about it. China has announced plans
Speaker 5: to roll out some even further kind of limiting regulations,
Speaker 5: you know, that will affect the way people are able
Speaker 5: to interact with these types of games. First and foremost
Speaker 5: in this kind of bundle of legislation, proposed new restrictions
Speaker 5: would prohibit gaming companies from giving out things like rewards
Speaker 5: for daily use and you know, and that's not monetary rewards.
Speaker 5: It would be like some sort of little bonus power
Speaker 5: up or something.
Speaker 4: Like that, like an in game dopamine fix.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what is. I've played so many games that
Speaker 2: have that. If you log in daily, you get a
Speaker 2: thing and it's just a yeah, it's just a tie anything.
Speaker 2: But if you do it seven days in a row,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get an even bigger reward on day seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh real quick, no, Matt, I have to I
Speaker 4: have to clarify here because I think it's a confusion
Speaker 4: that happens in the West.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: The the what we're talking about at the setup here
Speaker 4: is the social credit system. That's what China is calling
Speaker 4: it now. Originally we in the West were calling it
Speaker 4: the sesame credit system. However, this is very clever sesame credit.
Speaker 4: There is a thing now that is unrelated which is
Speaker 4: gonna mess up your search terms when you're looking for
Speaker 4: the real problem, which is again social credit system or
Speaker 4: like it's something like schehay signong t shie or something.
Speaker 4: But just so everybody knows, that's why it's hard to
Speaker 4: learn more about this by sure, well.
Speaker 5: You know, and for me, I play a lot of
Speaker 5: not a lot, but I have a handful of phone
Speaker 5: apps that I really enjoy playing. I actually am a
Speaker 5: subscriber to the Apple Arcade an ecosystem or whatever, and
Speaker 5: the most of the games that they feature on that
Speaker 5: are of really high quality and they don't really That's
Speaker 5: one thing that you get when you pay for a
Speaker 5: subscription like that is you're not bugged with in app purchases.
Speaker 3: That's part of it.
Speaker 5: You're paying a little bit upfront so you don't have to,
Speaker 5: you know, get bled over the course of you know,
Speaker 5: your your lifetime with the game. And one of the
Speaker 5: games that I play on that is called card Jockey.
Speaker 5: It's like a solitaire meets horse racing game, which is
Speaker 5: kind of weird, weird combo, but I really enjoy playing it.
Speaker 5: But that is actually the first time that I've noticed
Speaker 5: a daily reward thing.
Speaker 3: It will be some little like.
Speaker 5: A carrot, you know, for your horse that gives you
Speaker 5: a boost at the beginning of the race, or you know,
Speaker 5: a certain type of crop, you know, for hitting your
Speaker 5: horse on the butt to make a gallop faster.
Speaker 3: But what they have.
Speaker 5: Done is they have Yeah, this isn't hasn't been rolled
Speaker 5: out yet, but the proposed legislation would limit those things.
Speaker 5: I think it would actually prohibit those types of instead
Speaker 5: to based rewards. So that's one another thing that that
Speaker 5: is being proposed is to prohibit topping off of account balances.
Speaker 5: So a lot of times within these game gaming ecosystems,
Speaker 5: like you know with with Fortnite, there's a name that
Speaker 5: for this currency you can literally buy v bucks. Now,
Speaker 5: v bucks is roadblock, right, I think you're asolutely right,
Speaker 5: hundred percent. There's roebucks in roadblocks, which as we know,
Speaker 5: is very targeted at younger people, fortnite seems a little
Speaker 5: less so it seems a little more widely adopted. But
Speaker 5: I know a lot of young people that really enjoy
Speaker 5: it as well. But this part of the of the
Speaker 5: bundle of legislation regulations would prohibit or it would limit
Speaker 5: to how frequently users can top off their account of
Speaker 5: virtual money that you have to you know, pay actual money.
Speaker 5: And the thing that's interesting is, you know, we know
Speaker 5: how long it took for all line gambling in the
Speaker 5: United States, like, you know, to be more or less legal.
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken. You can play online poker now
Speaker 5: in the United States for real money, but.
Speaker 3: Back in the day you couldn't.
Speaker 5: And I know, I knew, I knew a lot of people,
Speaker 5: not a lot of people, but a handful of people
Speaker 5: that were professional gamblers, and they would move around depending
Speaker 5: on what the law was in that particular country, so
Speaker 5: that they could constantly play online without having.
Speaker 3: To go to actual casinos.
Speaker 5: So some of these things feel very similar to the
Speaker 5: kinds of incentives that you get when you're making bets
Speaker 5: in online gambling apps or whatever.
Speaker 2: But in the top off scenario, you're talking about just
Speaker 2: how much you can actually like the upper threshold how
Speaker 2: much that wallet will hold, right, it must it must.
Speaker 3: Be something along those lines.
Speaker 5: It may not be that, though to me it seems
Speaker 5: more like it's less about the upper level and about
Speaker 5: how frequently you can add money.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see, And that kind.
Speaker 5: Of makes such an important distin because if the if,
Speaker 5: the if, the amount, the maximum was whatever it was,
Speaker 5: and you deplete that because you can't control yourself, you know,
Speaker 5: in the span of a couple of days, it would
Speaker 5: probably behoove the user to not be able to add
Speaker 5: any more money for a period of time.
Speaker 2: Especially if there's a miner involved. Right. A lot of
Speaker 2: these appear to be aimed at at younger users.
Speaker 5: It does feel like that, and that is what the
Speaker 5: the government is saying that a lot of this is
Speaker 5: definitely targeting miners, for example, another part of this legislation
Speaker 5: or actually this may have been an older one, it
Speaker 5: may already be in place. But you know how on
Speaker 5: a lot of streaming apps you can like tip people, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, Twitch for example or whatever. There's you know,
Speaker 5: all kinds of cam type apps that don't necessarily have
Speaker 5: to be what your mind immediately goes to, like in
Speaker 5: terms of like OnlyFans or you know, more adult content.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you can tip streamers of any variety, and
Speaker 5: you know, to have minors be able to do that
Speaker 5: could potentially be problematic.
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean think about, for a certain demographic of
Speaker 4: our listeners this evening, the days of landline phones where
Speaker 4: people would call a nine hundred number right and get
Speaker 4: charged X amount per minute. That shares some of the
Speaker 4: same I think connotations you're mentioning here in all the
Speaker 4: idea that there were, you know, dirty talk nine hundred numbers.
Speaker 4: But I have it on good authority without over explaining,
Speaker 4: I have it on good authority that a couple of
Speaker 4: those nine hundred numbers were just joke lines, and kids
Speaker 4: would call in to hear someone telling them jokes on
Speaker 4: a landline phone, and for the kids it doesn't matter,
Speaker 4: and the parents won't know until they get the phone bill.
Speaker 4: So like with playing with playing games on a mobile device,
Speaker 4: if you are a minor, then odds are your your allowance,
Speaker 4: for lack of a better word, your your financial interaction
Speaker 4: with that mobile game is going to be linked to
Speaker 4: your guardians' finances, which is a nasty bill to get
Speaker 4: when you're like, what on earth has happened.
Speaker 5: You spent nine hundred dollars on room service.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, but now it's like nine thousand dollars for
Speaker 4: a loop crate.
Speaker 5: On whatever it might have, right, widgets or what have you.
Speaker 5: That's really that's a really good point. And you mentioned
Speaker 5: the nine hundred numbers too, and like, I don't know
Speaker 5: about you, but knowing that, yeah, I know, I didn't
Speaker 5: have a credit card or access to anything like that
Speaker 5: from my parents when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: Things are different now. Kids have their own Venmo accounts
Speaker 3: that are.
Speaker 5: You know, able to be replenished by their parents, but
Speaker 5: they don't have a direct access to the credit card.
Speaker 5: Or some kids get their own credit card. It depends on,
Speaker 5: you know, the parenting play. But like I would have
Speaker 5: been way too terrified as a kid to snag my
Speaker 5: parents credit card and try out one of those nine
Speaker 5: hundred numbers. But I definitely called the number because you
Speaker 5: get a bit of a risk, a little little outgoing message,
Speaker 5: and that was enough for me.
Speaker 4: See how far you can get before you have to pay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done it.
Speaker 4: Did similar things like that as well. When telephones became
Speaker 4: a technology like the there's also this idea I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm tempted here, Noel, to say that this is arguably
Speaker 4: this is a good thing because this does protect minors.
Speaker 4: The one thing you mentioned that may cast it may
Speaker 4: cause some of us to cast a glance a skance,
Speaker 4: is the idea of removing tipping for streamers, because we
Speaker 4: know that streamer platforms low key were away or a
Speaker 4: platform for many subversive groups domestically to communicate.
Speaker 5: That the weirdless satanic murder cult that we did that
Speaker 5: we talked the order of nine angles.
Speaker 4: I'm talking like in domestic that was definitely.
Speaker 3: One that used that ecosystem as well.
Speaker 4: Sure you know, I'm just saying, like there's some Twitch
Speaker 4: streamers like here's the truth about wigers, or here's the
Speaker 4: truth about Tianaman or whatever.
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5: It's a potentially a governmental way of shutting down that
Speaker 5: kind of uh, you know talk, or that kind of potentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't speak in truth to power.
Speaker 4: They're already so closely surveilled, right, so maybe that's maybe
Speaker 4: that's a bridge too far or a tank too far
Speaker 4: in the square. But the the idea about protecting minors, though,
Speaker 4: that does seem like a good idea.
Speaker 5: Right, All of these sound fine to me. There was
Speaker 5: another thing that involved pop ups kind of red flagging
Speaker 5: what's being referred to as irrational behavior. You know, like again,
Speaker 5: we all hung out and had a good time in Vegas. Right,
Speaker 5: None of those machines red flag irrational behavior.
Speaker 3: They just spur you on. You know, they're literally goading you.
Speaker 5: With these these half micro victories in the hopes that
Speaker 5: it will you know, weaponize your psychology against you. And
Speaker 5: you know, we went into that situation fully aware of
Speaker 5: the things at play, and still we had a good time.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was fun. That was worth the price
Speaker 5: of admission. But yeah, we know there were definitely times
Speaker 5: where when the alcohol was flowing such we probably pushed
Speaker 5: it a little farther than we would have otherwise. And
Speaker 5: but of course, you know, to gamble and to be
Speaker 5: in a situation like a casino, you do have to be,
Speaker 5: you know, of age.
Speaker 3: Of legal age.
Speaker 5: One last thing I wanted to mention was that those
Speaker 5: companies that I that I that I named the top
Speaker 5: of the show, ten cent and net Ease, this is
Speaker 5: not good for them or their bottom lines. Any of
Speaker 5: these types of regulations are bad. The the already pre existing,
Speaker 5: you know, regulations regarding game time for underage users already
Speaker 5: not great for them, and I believe when those were
Speaker 5: rolled through, and please any listeners correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: Maybe those haven't been pushed through yet, but I believe
Speaker 5: they have. At the very least, the number of hours
Speaker 5: that miners are allowed to spend on these games is monitored,
Speaker 5: which is in keeping with the whole monitoring of the
Speaker 5: Internet at large that happens even for you know, adults
Speaker 5: in China. But ten Cent and and net Ease both
Speaker 5: took massive hits to their stock price when these new
Speaker 5: regulations were just announced as being up for comments. The
Speaker 5: Reuters reported at nearly eighty billion dollars evaluation from these
Speaker 5: two companies collectively were wiped out, it says briefly, So
Speaker 5: I think there was some backlash. And obviously I don't
Speaker 5: know what the Chinese equivalent of lobbying like we have
Speaker 5: over here is, but I would imagine there's something in
Speaker 5: terms of how these giant corporations interact with the governments.
Speaker 5: You know, they can't be totally at odds with one another,
Speaker 5: but maybe they are. I don't know, Ben, is there
Speaker 5: anything there like how do giant corporations in China interact
Speaker 5: with the government in the hopes that they can influence
Speaker 5: regulation or is that just not a thing over there.
Speaker 3: In the way that it is over here.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no campaign necessarily to be funded, right, it's
Speaker 2: a little different.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, if you're a very successful
Speaker 4: Chinese company, then you are inherently going to be controlled
Speaker 4: in some way by the Chinese government or the party.
Speaker 4: So the best way to succeed in the government or
Speaker 4: in the nation of China is to have a member
Speaker 4: of the party on your board, which definitely happens. I
Speaker 4: got to point out too, man, the idea, folks, tell
Speaker 4: me if this is off base, the idea that their
Speaker 4: stock went down with the potential loss of billions of dollars,
Speaker 4: Is that not kind of like losing billions of dollars
Speaker 4: worth of child labor? If these things are really meant
Speaker 4: to prey on children, pray on minors like those, get
Speaker 4: those kids back in the mobile game, minds, is what
Speaker 4: ten cent investors are saying.
Speaker 3: It's a good question.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you know, you the heads of
Speaker 5: those companies might argue that the children are their audience,
Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily, but they are feeding money into
Speaker 5: the system.
Speaker 4: I've had I've been asked whether there were games on
Speaker 4: my phone, et cetera. There's a reason that's a meme.
Speaker 4: And if you've seen children who are playing games, like
Speaker 4: I think we can all attest kids will treat that
Speaker 4: like a job, you know what I mean, Like I've
Speaker 4: got to get done with this school mallarchy so I
Speaker 4: can get back to my real thing, which is insert
Speaker 4: game here.
Speaker 5: It is funny, though, because initiatives like this, due to me,
Speaker 5: sort of signal that in some way, the Chinese government
Speaker 5: cares a little bit more about the let's just call
Speaker 5: it intellect or the quality of mind of their citizens
Speaker 5: more so than we do over here, because we don't
Speaker 5: have regulations like this. The closest thing we have is
Speaker 5: like movie ratings and like things like that. But you know,
Speaker 5: no one over here is trying to in ratings for games,
Speaker 5: but no one over here is trying to monitor how
Speaker 5: how much time your kid spends on the computer. That's
Speaker 5: what parents are for, and if they do a good
Speaker 5: job at it, then that's great. But this to me
Speaker 5: and it is sort of a nanny state kind of mentality.
Speaker 3: So I get that. I'm not saying this is good.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it seems to me like this is
Speaker 5: the Chinese government saying we care. We want our citizenry
Speaker 5: to be smarter and don't not have their brains rotted
Speaker 5: by this stuff. But that's interesting because a paper was
Speaker 5: actually published in August of twenty twenty three in Nature
Speaker 5: Human Behavior that found that there was really no evidence
Speaker 5: that any of these regulations had.
Speaker 3: Any impact at all on people's behavior.
Speaker 5: The researchers partnered with an organization called Unity to examine
Speaker 5: the more than seven billion hours of gaming time screen
Speaker 5: time among around two point four billion Chinese game gamers,
Speaker 5: and they ran it from mid August to twenty nineteen
Speaker 5: to mid January of twenty twenty. That also included a
Speaker 5: partial measurement of the period when an hour and a
Speaker 5: half daily playtime limit was imposed.
Speaker 3: Or three hours on holidays.
Speaker 5: So the results do indicate that this maybe has negligible
Speaker 5: returns on the said intellect of citizenry.
Speaker 2: Well, I would just say okay, just quickly personally, guys,
Speaker 2: after we talked about this last I set a limit
Speaker 2: on my son's PlayStation account that when he and I
Speaker 2: play games together I set it for an hour and
Speaker 2: a half, so like in a twenty four hour period,
Speaker 2: he can only play for an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: And I would say, just from my experience, it has
Speaker 2: had a good effect on how much he almost wants
Speaker 2: to regulate. He knows he has to regulate his time now,
Speaker 2: and so he's totally okay with doing other activities that
Speaker 2: are not related with the television. So I do feel
Speaker 2: like this could be a great thing.
Speaker 5: I'm with you. I just wonder, you know how now
Speaker 5: you know we're different, We're different country, there's different behaviors.
Speaker 5: I think there might be slightly higher instances of like
Speaker 5: mega obsessive gaming.
Speaker 3: And I think maybe.
Speaker 5: The result of the that the study was measuring was
Speaker 5: really just showing that there were ways around it or something,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like that not necessarily that
Speaker 5: it wasn't helping because people were following it. It was
Speaker 5: not helping because people were finding loopholes or something. I
Speaker 5: think because I'm with you and with my kid, they
Speaker 5: have come to a place where they want to self
Speaker 5: regulate because they know it makes them enjoy life better.
Speaker 5: And they actually are but sure enough to realize that
Speaker 5: obsessive internet use and obsessive gaming is actually a negative
Speaker 5: and it can make you just not have a great
Speaker 5: quality of life and can lead to anxiety and you know,
Speaker 5: social withdrawal and things like that. So I think you're
Speaker 5: right on the money because what you've done with your
Speaker 5: son has gotten him to a place where he sees
Speaker 5: the value in limiting himself.
Speaker 2: Right theoretically, yeah, I would like to think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but i'd like to think so.
Speaker 5: Anyway, that's really it something to keep an eye on,
Speaker 5: for sure. The comment period on this bundle of regulation
Speaker 5: is not until January the twenty second.
Speaker 3: As we record this this we're.
Speaker 5: Sitting on January the tenth, so I know there's already
Speaker 5: been massive backlash and a lot of of the companies,
Speaker 5: of course, are responsible for that. But anyway, let's take
Speaker 5: a quick break and we'll be back with another piece
Speaker 5: of strange news.
Speaker 4: And we have returned warning folks there's deep water ahead.
Speaker 4: This may not be appropriate for all audiences. What I'd
Speaker 4: like to do to begin the final act of our
Speaker 4: Strange News segment is to give praise and credit where
Speaker 4: it is due. Super Important Mission Critical NBC News has
Speaker 4: a continuing investigation called Lost Rights r Ites and through
Speaker 4: this investigation, Part four of this investigation learned an incredibly
Speaker 4: disturbing story. Recently, two hundred and fifty bodies were found
Speaker 4: buried in a poppers field in Hinds County, Mississippi. They
Speaker 4: are along a dirt road on the grounds of what
Speaker 4: is called a jail work farm. Shout out to our
Speaker 4: journalist here, John Shoop. You can read this part four
Speaker 4: of Lost Rights, but I highly recommend reading the whole
Speaker 4: thing in full. It's disturbing. It is stuff they don't
Speaker 4: want you to know. If you go down this dirt road,
Speaker 4: what you will see is when they say a graveyard,
Speaker 4: what you're actually going to see is just a bunch
Speaker 4: of metal rods, no names, just number stamped on the rods.
Speaker 4: And every few months, for the better part of a decade,
Speaker 4: inmates on the grounds have been digging new graves, adding
Speaker 4: new bodies to the already hundreds of people there. And
Speaker 4: the problem is that the families of these people who
Speaker 4: passed away from any number of means the families were
Speaker 4: never alerted. These are not prisoners being buried, These are
Speaker 4: not people incarcerated in any way. These are people who
Speaker 4: fell through the cracks of America's increasingly fragmented social system.
Speaker 4: And so imagine, then, if you will, that you have
Speaker 4: put in a missing person's report for a member of
Speaker 4: your family, a child, a sibling, a parent, a loved one,
Speaker 4: and you have not heard about this for years, and
Speaker 4: then you learn that also for years, they have been
Speaker 4: buried anonymously in Hinz County, Mississippi. That's what's happening. That's
Speaker 4: reminding me of our pal Jason Flam's work over at
Speaker 4: Lava for Good. NBC News found several cases in which
Speaker 4: these folks were dead and buried in this field, even
Speaker 4: though the family have put the word out to every
Speaker 4: possible government agency saying, hey, we're trying to find out
Speaker 4: what happened to this to our Jane or John Doe,
Speaker 4: And it turns out Mississippi just didn't check. And every
Speaker 4: time these families are contacted, they're saying, look, if we
Speaker 4: had known what had happened, we would have claimed the remains,
Speaker 4: we would have given our loved ones a proper funeral.
Speaker 4: But now how can we trust the government? Right? We
Speaker 4: did everything correctly, why did we have such an egregious
Speaker 4: misstep of justice? And before we continue with that lay
Speaker 4: of the grizzly ghoulish land here, I have to ask,
Speaker 4: did you guys hear about this story, like I think
Speaker 4: it really started coming to the forefront in early January.
Speaker 3: I had not.
Speaker 5: But even just the part where you're describing the rods
Speaker 5: with numbers stamped on them, that's some dystopian sounding stuff
Speaker 5: right there, let alone the part that the story is
Speaker 5: reporting on the ones that fell through the cracks.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the personal stories that you're mentioning here
Speaker 2: in this series, Ben, Who did you say.
Speaker 4: That writer was the writer for this one? Is John Shoop?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just found like I went through some of
Speaker 2: the links you shared and then found that first story
Speaker 2: on it, and just to read an entire article on
Speaker 2: one person who lost their son this way, it's just devastating.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the details, man, this is this is horrifying.
Speaker 4: Apparently, if you like Blagger point out that story this
Speaker 4: is a human thing. We have to remember these are
Speaker 4: actual human beings, not just numbers stamped on metal rods.
Speaker 4: Apparently people have been trying to get records from the
Speaker 4: county coroner for different burials within the county, but those
Speaker 4: records don't exist or they were lost prior to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: which is super recent and should really bother you, even
Speaker 4: if you don't live in Mississippi. The number of families
Speaker 4: that are going to find their left one's remains due
Speaker 4: to this investigation will only increase. Again, it's two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifteen bodies, not all of which have been identified.
Speaker 4: And it brought me back to another thing that we
Speaker 4: haven't We haven't talked about too often here, but I
Speaker 4: know we've touched on it in previous episodes, the idea
Speaker 4: of the pauper's grave. Right, So, how would we describe
Speaker 4: the Popper's graveyard for any one not in the US
Speaker 4: or otherwise I'm familiar.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just tell you what I'm looking at in
Speaker 2: these the series of articles. I see a field that
Speaker 2: you would see in really any any American state that
Speaker 2: has I don't know, what would you say, pine trees, right,
Speaker 2: and then openings, Yeah, suburban esque.
Speaker 5: Yeah. They sometimes call a potter's field, like I believe
Speaker 5: that's another term associated with these Poppers burial sites.
Speaker 2: In this case, I think at least the one in
Speaker 2: the story I'm looking at right now is attached to
Speaker 2: what they call a penal colony. So at exactly a
Speaker 2: prison system that is a farm also, and it's it
Speaker 2: looks to be the same materials that they would use
Speaker 2: for a street sign, like a piece of metal.
Speaker 5: That's just the bar not quite I know what you
Speaker 5: mean with the rivets the holes.
Speaker 2: In exactly, Yeah, just hammered into the ground with what
Speaker 2: looks to be a piece of cardboard attached to it
Speaker 2: and like painted like just handwritten, handwritten numbers painted on
Speaker 2: that piece of cardboard.
Speaker 4: And the issues here are myriad. Indeed, you know, the
Speaker 4: the idea that one could not find records from before
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Again, I just keep going back to how
Speaker 4: disturbing that is. Now quickly history can be erased. The
Speaker 4: NBC News investigation says, look, we have a list of
Speaker 4: we have a list of missing people, and we have
Speaker 4: in that list we have some confirmed identities, we have
Speaker 4: some missing or unconfirmed identities. We're having problems like investigating
Speaker 4: in good faith with the local government. We know that
Speaker 4: we have had to remove some people from this list.
Speaker 4: One person they shout out is Dexter Wade. Dexter Wade
Speaker 4: is removed from this poppers field and given a proper funeral,
Speaker 4: and it's due to the reporting of NBC News, which
Speaker 4: again goes back to the fact that journalism is important.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's just talk about Dexter for a moment. He
Speaker 2: is the subject of that first story and just quickly
Speaker 2: he left his house on March fifth. An hour after
Speaker 2: he left his house on foot, he gets hit by
Speaker 2: a police vehicle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's thirty seven years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gets hit by a police officer and
Speaker 2: is killed on a highway. So, like, imagine a person
Speaker 2: crossing a highway and gets struck by a police vehicle.
Speaker 2: First of all, obviously, don't cross the highway on foot.
Speaker 2: Just not a smart thing to do. But if you
Speaker 2: get hit by a police vehicle, you'd think somebody would
Speaker 2: get notified immediately. But that is not what happened.
Speaker 3: No, it is not.
Speaker 4: And let's go to Let's go to another article by
Speaker 4: John Shoup, this one from November thirteenth of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: He talks about the arrangements that the Wade family had
Speaker 4: to go through to find your son. And first off, yes,
Speaker 4: we are very well aware of folks that there is
Speaker 4: truth to the stereotype about corruption in small towns. By
Speaker 4: the way, send us your stories of small town corruption
Speaker 4: Conspiracydiheartradio dot Com To your point, Matt, one thing that
Speaker 4: is just stunning in the worst way is the idea
Speaker 4: that you could be hit by a police car no
Speaker 4: one knows except the guy who hits you or the
Speaker 4: officer who hits you, and the people who agree to
Speaker 4: cover it up, literally in this case, to cover up
Speaker 4: the body this article. This article is titled Dexter Wade's
Speaker 4: Family a final indignity as he's exhumed without ceremony. Dexter's mother,
Speaker 4: Betterson Wade, arrives at the Penal farm at the work farm,
Speaker 4: and when she gets there, after finally learning what happened
Speaker 4: to her child, she also learns that her son's remains
Speaker 4: have been dug up or exhumed, put in a body bag,
Speaker 4: and then tossed in the back of a Chevy suburban
Speaker 4: because a public work screw had turned up earlier that
Speaker 4: morning and removed the remains before anyone else arrived to her.
Speaker 4: It's yet another iteration of her being continually cut out
Speaker 4: of the process.
Speaker 2: Dude, Just the fact that he got struck and killed
Speaker 2: on March fifth, He got identified by the police department
Speaker 2: by the medical examiner on March ninth, that information was
Speaker 2: sent to the police department. Nobody was notified. Then on
Speaker 2: March fourteenth, nine days after her son is killed, the
Speaker 2: mother calls the police to report him missing. And she
Speaker 2: still like that, So it is so horrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what the Heines County corner. By the way, again,
Speaker 4: this microcosmic aspect of this is important because this is
Speaker 4: a similar story to the other two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 4: people that are gone. Right, this story is one example
Speaker 4: of what has happened to hundreds of people, and we
Speaker 4: can only then rightly assume by the way that this
Speaker 4: has occurred or something similar has occurred in numerous small
Speaker 4: towns throughout the United States. Look, when like you're saying,
Speaker 4: when the Wade family learns what happens to their son,
Speaker 4: they interact with the Heines County Coroner's office, who say, look,
Speaker 4: your son's body was unclaimed for months. We didn't know
Speaker 4: about it, and so since he was unclaimed, we just
Speaker 4: buried him where we put any other body that falls
Speaker 4: through the cracks, which again is macabre and in my opinion, unclean.
Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna ask, I mean, that is sort
Speaker 5: of standard procedure and is considered quote unquote like above
Speaker 5: board to do like you know, you you you try
Speaker 5: to reach out to next of ken, the prison organization
Speaker 5: or officials or whatever, and if you don't hear anything back,
Speaker 5: then there there still is this sort of accepted understanding
Speaker 5: that they will be buried in not.
Speaker 3: A mass crave.
Speaker 5: That's that's something else, but in this popper's grave situation.
Speaker 5: But this particular case just involves more egregious examples of
Speaker 5: them not even trying to reach out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about the size of it. So the mayor
Speaker 4: of Jackson, Mississippi, chuckway On Tar Lumumba, has publicly stated, look,
Speaker 4: there's no malicious intent here. This is a series of
Speaker 4: incredibly tragic miscommunications. And the problem is that doesn't bring
Speaker 4: back the dexter weights, right, that doesn't bring back the
Speaker 4: people who were affected by this. We also want to
Speaker 4: shout out another piece, this one by John Shoop with
Speaker 4: Mike Hicks and Baugh, about Jonathan David Hankins, who left
Speaker 4: home in May of twenty twenty two. Authorities found him
Speaker 4: dead a few days later, also did not contact his mother.
Speaker 4: She had to search for him for months, and it
Speaker 4: was not until NBC did this investigation that she discovered
Speaker 4: where he was buried. This feels, yeah, this feels like
Speaker 4: this feels like it's bigger than Heinz County. I'm wondering
Speaker 4: how many more cases of this are out there. Have
Speaker 4: you guys ever been to a poppers field? Have you
Speaker 4: seen a Potter's yard or anything like that?
Speaker 3: I have not known.
Speaker 4: They're more out there than I think any of us
Speaker 4: would like to contemplate. And it's incredibly frightening thing. But
Speaker 4: it's like it also, at least here it has somewhat
Speaker 4: of a I don't even want to call a silver
Speaker 4: lining of closure, because thank you entirely to the journalist
Speaker 4: who figured this out. If they had not been digging in,
Speaker 4: I don't know whether this would like, whether this would
Speaker 4: have triggered some I don't know what would have happened.
Speaker 4: I don't know, and so we oh, shoot a huge
Speaker 4: thank you. I mean, do you guys think the authorities
Speaker 4: would have at some point said, hey, we gotta we
Speaker 4: got to make things right in our Popper's grave.
Speaker 5: It kind of feels like the kind of thing where
Speaker 5: they would be more likely to just leave well enough
Speaker 5: alone because of the nature of you know, poverty and
Speaker 5: the fact that it would be few and far between
Speaker 5: the cases where someone would come looking for these folks.
Speaker 5: You know, it's awful. I'm just saying that would likely,
Speaker 5: in my mind, be the thinking there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the problem is the problem is multipolar, right, we're
Speaker 4: talking about when the system fails, and it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily mean there is conspiracy afoot, but it
Speaker 4: does mean that people and institutions may well commit conspiracies
Speaker 4: as a way as in an attempt to cover up
Speaker 4: their previous actions. That's how these things happen. That's how
Speaker 4: this stuff occurs, and that's why this is a call
Speaker 4: out to all of our fellow conspiracy realists. We want
Speaker 4: to hear your stories of small town corruption. Please please,
Speaker 4: please do right to us. This stuff is important and
Speaker 4: the best we can say is that we're holding the
Speaker 4: survivors of these folks in our thoughts. The wheels of
Speaker 4: justice grind exceedingly slow, but exceedingly fine, and there is
Speaker 4: closure at the end, which I do think. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's something we didn't want to end on a super
Speaker 4: downer note. So here are stories we didn't get to
Speaker 4: just figure they could get a quick mention. Violence is
Speaker 4: rocking Ecuador TV station got overrun. I think we all
Speaker 4: saw that.
Speaker 2: Everybody got arrested.
Speaker 4: Everybody got arrested, even the police. Kidding some Ecuadorian police
Speaker 4: should be arrested, though that's pretty clear at this point.
Speaker 4: There there was did you guys see this one, the
Speaker 4: the synagogue brawl? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a tunnel
Speaker 4: dug in a New York City synagogue that led to
Speaker 4: a brawl between police and members of the community who
Speaker 4: go to that synagogue. The reason I'm bringing this up
Speaker 4: is because a lot of crazy anti Semitic misinformation went
Speaker 4: out about this, because this is acidic Jewish community, right,
Speaker 4: and please be cautious with the stuff you read about that.
Speaker 4: Because our old friends at Davos looked at all the
Speaker 4: short term threats of this our current world, and they said,
Speaker 4: you know, the number one threat is AI driven misinformation.
Speaker 4: That's what's happening.
Speaker 2: I disagree Davos. You know what the number one threat is, Guys,
Speaker 2: what's that huge eight foot shadow beings that are teleporting
Speaker 2: all around them all in Miami.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that in the next time
Speaker 3: Classic Miami.
Speaker 5: Seriously, that's the and listener somebody and then just you know,
Speaker 5: Paul Politics aside, Rudy Giuliani is broke and is likely
Speaker 5: going to be spending the rest of his life fighting
Speaker 5: off people trying to get their uh, their money from him.
Speaker 5: He apparently lost out in a defamation suit filed by
Speaker 5: two of the pole workers here in Atlanta actually, who
Speaker 5: he out outwardly defamed and led to them receiving death threats,
Speaker 5: and they are going to get quite a lot of
Speaker 5: money from him. And he is apparently on the verge
Speaker 5: of bankruptcy. But you can't file bankruptcy to get out
Speaker 5: of paying out damages for these types of case.
Speaker 4: You're going to say, student loans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's that he's still paying those off too.
Speaker 5: But again, not a political statement, just I think, however
Speaker 5: you fall on the divide there, you could probably agree
Speaker 5: that this dude was not the best.
Speaker 4: And shout out to every fellow conspiracy realist right now
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Speaker 4: Both fans of Air Force one. That's strange news, folks.
Speaker 4: We can't wait to hear again. I'm very serious about
Speaker 4: this small town corruption. It happens so often. Sending our
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