Speaker 1: As a late fifteen to ten touchdown doc.
Speaker 2: What's up, guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of
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Speaker 2: joined by Matt Money Smith Money. A lot going on
Speaker 2: in the world of the NFL, between the wild card games,
Speaker 2: the divisional games coming up, and all of the coaching rumors,
Speaker 2: a lot of smoke on X. I'll say that this week.
Speaker 3: No doubt and that's you know, unfortunately, you know, I
Speaker 3: saw Mike McCarver doing this Thursday morning. I saw Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy's presser, and look, I understand, you know, it's it's tough.
Speaker 3: You have families, you got kids, they hear about, you know,
Speaker 3: what a bad job your dad is doing, and that
Speaker 3: you're going to be plucked out of your school and
Speaker 3: move to some other city, and you know it comes
Speaker 3: with a job. Yeah, you know, I can't remember. I
Speaker 3: think it was Bill Parcells who said it. You you
Speaker 3: get into this business knowing that you're going to get fired.
Speaker 3: It's just that it's a sad reality of the business.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about this on the radio show with Petros.
Speaker 3: I think it was yesterday, maybe the day before. It's
Speaker 3: about probably day before I think, see, you know, it's
Speaker 3: interesting what's happened because we're focused on Jim Harbaugh, right,
Speaker 3: and here's someone that won a national championship at Michigan,
Speaker 3: and this is someone who was essentially fired for all
Speaker 3: intents and purposes, like right in that COVID season when
Speaker 3: they went too and four, they cut his salary. You know,
Speaker 3: the rumor was that John had arranged that meeting with
Speaker 3: the Vikings to try to get a little bit heat
Speaker 3: on his brother's name so he could, you know, prove
Speaker 3: that he's a valuable commodity and Michigan was going to
Speaker 3: bring him back. Like that's how capricious this business is.
Speaker 3: And now he is the most sought after coach in
Speaker 3: this coaching cycle. And yet three four years ago everybody
Speaker 3: assumed he was getting canned, and he was and no
Speaker 3: one was going to touch him. And that was it
Speaker 3: for Jim Harbaugh. And yet here we are. And so
Speaker 3: I think it's just a reminder of what what it's
Speaker 3: like in the NFL when you decide this is going
Speaker 3: to be the profession, When you choose this as your profession,
Speaker 3: it goes with it.
Speaker 1: Is it fair?
Speaker 3: Not always sometimes yes, But that's just the reality the
Speaker 3: players make too much money, they're too valuable, they're too
Speaker 3: hard to find. So when things go wrong, the coach
Speaker 3: ends up wearing it. And that's how we end up
Speaker 3: in a position where we're in right now, where Bill
Speaker 3: Belichick has won six Super Bowls is looking for a gig.
Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel has done arguably the best job in coaching
Speaker 3: in the last six years since he's been the head
Speaker 3: coach in Tennessee, and he's looking for a job in
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh is now trying to get back into the
Speaker 3: NFL after getting the boot over four seasons in San Francisco,
Speaker 3: and all he did was take the team to three
Speaker 3: straight championship games and one Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mike McCarthy wins twelve games in each of
Speaker 2: the last three years, and his job was being called
Speaker 2: for Nick Siriani with to a Super Bowl and was
Speaker 2: ten and one at one point. His job, as we
Speaker 2: tape this, still TBD. So it's not an easy profession.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you see whatever the coach did last and that
Speaker 2: is kind of the okay wow, Like, for instance, Jim Harball,
Speaker 2: just we're a national championship. You talk about a hot
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, like a Ben Johnson man, he's leading one
Speaker 2: of the best offenses in the NFL. So the last
Speaker 2: thing you see is kind of the gateway into becoming
Speaker 2: a head coach or moving to another place. And you know,
Speaker 2: the Chargers have done a great job money keeping fans
Speaker 2: up to date with the general manager and head coaching
Speaker 2: interview process by kind of listing it on x I
Speaker 2: couldn't help. But notice though that the Jim Harball announcement
Speaker 2: got five million views on X so if that doesn't
Speaker 2: tell you the interest level among the fans. And obviously
Speaker 2: they have interviewed a lot of well qualified candidates at
Speaker 2: both the GM and the head coaching position, but one
Speaker 2: name seems to stick out right now, as we taped.
Speaker 3: This same thing, had that conversation about the Instagram because
Speaker 3: I stay away from Twitter as much as possible.
Speaker 1: It's a cesspool.
Speaker 3: But Instagram good idea. By the likes, Oh yeah, the
Speaker 3: likes ninety four though I was ninety seven thousand when
Speaker 3: I had checked to do the story for the radio show,
Speaker 3: ninety seven thousand. The next highest was fifteen thousand. Now
Speaker 3: I get that Jim Harbaughs is a much bigger name
Speaker 3: than Steve Wilkes. Or Mike McDonald. But you know, ninety
Speaker 3: seven thousand compared to fifteen thousand is quite drastic, So
Speaker 3: you know, I think it it's twofold for the Chargers. Right,
Speaker 3: You're in a really tough market. You're in a market
Speaker 3: with the Lakers who have Lebron James. You're in a
Speaker 3: market with the Dodgers who just signed Shoheo Tani. And
Speaker 3: we recognize what the competition. You know, Sean McVay has
Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford and the Rams,
Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley has a Heisman Trophy winner, and Caleb Williams
Speaker 3: idiot is competitive here. And I can't help but think
Speaker 3: that that's a big part of the consideration. First thing
Speaker 3: you need to do is find the right coach, a
Speaker 3: coach that's going to be the best partner for Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert right, and the look alliteration to me is King, right,
Speaker 3: Belichick and Brady two b's, Herbert and Harbaugh two ahes.
Speaker 3: Let's just make that connection right there and pair him
Speaker 3: up and let's roll. But I think there is something
Speaker 3: to be said about having a coach a head coach,
Speaker 3: and we've seen it with the Rams. He's the biggest star.
Speaker 3: Mcveigh's the biggest star on the Rams. He's bigger than
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald, He's bigger than Cooper Cup, He's bigger than
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford and pukain Akua. He's the star of the
Speaker 3: show because he's just dynamic and he wins. So I
Speaker 3: do think there is there is something that separates Jim
Speaker 3: Harbaughugh from everybody else that we're talking about in this
Speaker 3: coaching cycle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Sean mcvayh shows you money that
Speaker 2: you can get a coach in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: He was thirty years old offensive coordator of Washington when
Speaker 2: they hired him, and really, you know, unproven as a
Speaker 2: head coach. He proved it very very quickly. Harball, on
Speaker 2: the other hand, coming off a national championship, when you
Speaker 2: talk about the national headlines and the attention that Jim
Speaker 2: Harball is going to attract wherever he goes next, you
Speaker 2: couple that with Justin Herbert, if it is in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles Sofi Stadium, a new facility. Football is king in
Speaker 2: the United States, And you're one hundred percent right when
Speaker 2: we talk about the Lakers and the Dodgers, the Clippers
Speaker 2: announcing an All Star Game right up the street from
Speaker 2: so far. You know, a new era there in Clipper
Speaker 2: basketball with stars up and down their roster. But if
Speaker 2: you can make inroads in this market with Jim Harball
Speaker 2: and Justin Herbert, a I gotta do is win. And
Speaker 2: Jim Harball is a proven winner at every level. So
Speaker 2: that's why there's interest. And I think when we see
Speaker 2: the franchise quarterback that we think Justin Herbert is pairing
Speaker 2: him with somebody who's done nothing but elevate the quarterback
Speaker 2: position wherever he's gone seems like a no brainer. Like
Speaker 2: guys like Mike McDonald think Mike McDonald's gonna be a
Speaker 2: really good head coach, right, you know, Ben Johnson could
Speaker 2: be a really really good head coach. But it's about
Speaker 2: fit at this moment.
Speaker 3: And I think if you'm gonna I'm gonna jump in
Speaker 3: right there, though, Chris, because I think you just said
Speaker 3: I think you just said it, right. I think I
Speaker 3: think we don't know. And that's the difference to me
Speaker 3: in this coaching cycle, right is we know Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 3: is a great coach.
Speaker 1: We think Mike we can't afford.
Speaker 2: Think we can't afford think.
Speaker 1: Right, that's what I mean, right, Yeah, no doubt, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can't afford think when the last three hires have
Speaker 2: been first time head coat. I think, right, So that's
Speaker 2: that's kind of what I think everybody collectively is thinking
Speaker 2: right now, is can we get a proven commodity. And
Speaker 2: even if you took Harball out of the equation, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Mike Rabil, you mentioned Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who have done it before, even
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn to a degree, you know who went to
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, who have been head coaches before. I
Speaker 2: think that's what this franchise needs is somebody who has
Speaker 2: lived through it, who has had adversity, who has had success,
Speaker 2: and can kind of navigate this franchise into a new era.
Speaker 3: With Herbert Undersenter, well, it's cyclical, right, and it's cyclical
Speaker 3: inside of a team concept, but it's also cyclical in
Speaker 3: the league as a whole. And you often hear, well,
Speaker 3: we had a player's coach, now we need a discipline aarian.
Speaker 3: We had the offensive coach, now we need the defensive coach.
Speaker 3: And that tends to be how it works. Just it
Speaker 3: is something you try something, it fails, you swing to
Speaker 3: the complete opposite side of the spectrum when it comes
Speaker 3: to the higher But what's happened in the NFL, and
Speaker 3: I think it's a correction, it's a course correction. Is
Speaker 3: because of the success that Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 3: experienced and they were both hired in the same cycle.
Speaker 3: It led the NFL to chase. And if anybody has
Speaker 3: experienced chasing in Vegas, you know it doesn't end well.
Speaker 3: You get down on the first day, you're there for
Speaker 3: three more days and you're chasing it and before you
Speaker 3: know it, you're in a heck of a hole. And
Speaker 3: the NFL started chasing. They were chasing the young dynamic.
Speaker 3: You know, well spoken, can present it, can talk circles
Speaker 3: around everybody else when it comes to schematics and play calling,
Speaker 3: and they all wanted it, and that's what everyone was after.
Speaker 3: And it's been the last six years or the last
Speaker 3: five years that we've seen all of these hires, the
Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni, Shane Stike and Brandon Staley, Brian Dabe, they're
Speaker 3: all play callers. And now this particular site, Michael, What's
Speaker 3: and I'm not just talking about the names that are
Speaker 3: being batted around. I mean just the talking heads, the
Speaker 3: debate shows, the hot take shows, what the even when
Speaker 3: you get into like the the NFL radio stuff and
Speaker 3: the people that have been around it forever they are now,
Speaker 3: it is so on point. It is the number one
Speaker 3: talking point that the NFL owners and general managers became
Speaker 3: too smitten with a scheme with a play caller and
Speaker 3: did not recognize you need someone to build culture, to
Speaker 3: set a tone, to make sure the building is right.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think people realized that when in
Speaker 3: this we I think we've discussed this here.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have.
Speaker 3: You know, that was that was a huge part in
Speaker 3: my opinion of Brandon Staley's downfall is his persistence at
Speaker 3: being perceived as a top play caller and not recognizing
Speaker 3: that wasn't his job. His job was not to call
Speaker 3: the defense. He wasn't the defensive coordinator. He's the head coach.
Speaker 3: And he was so focused on being a great defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator and calling a great game that he lost. You
Speaker 3: know that he didn't see the forest for the trees
Speaker 3: and that's what brought him down. And it happens to
Speaker 3: a ton of them. And I can't you know, Brian
Speaker 3: Dave Ball when he said no, I'm not calling plays,
Speaker 3: I thought it was such you know, just here's someone
Speaker 3: that was hired because of how good of a play
Speaker 3: caller he was and the development he had. In Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: He's like, no, there is way too much to do
Speaker 3: as a head coach that I can't be worried seven
Speaker 3: eight plays. When you're a play caller, you got to
Speaker 3: be thinking about Okay, this is third and six, but
Speaker 3: if we get the first down, now, I'm already thinking
Speaker 3: about first and second down, and that just gets in
Speaker 3: the way of everything. And so it feels like this cycle,
Speaker 3: everybody has got back to the most important thing is
Speaker 3: set the culture, make sure the building is right, hire
Speaker 3: great assistance, and be a leader of men. And that's
Speaker 3: it feels like that's what all of these candidate it'sorry
Speaker 3: this time around.
Speaker 2: I think Dan Campbell is kind of the blueprint for
Speaker 2: a lot of people, right who kind of lets Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson do his thing, let's Aaron Glenn do his thing.
Speaker 2: And the only exception to that rule money. It seems
Speaker 2: like I'm just going to call it the Mike Shanahan
Speaker 2: coaching tree because Sean McVeigh knows football. He knows ball
Speaker 2: and he calls the plays. Kyle Shanahan, you know, learn
Speaker 2: from his dad who went and who won two Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: He calls the plays, but he knows how to set
Speaker 2: a culture. And you kind of look at Matt Lafleur
Speaker 2: right now calling the plays. But for some reason, I
Speaker 2: think that that Shanahan tree is like the one exception
Speaker 2: to the rule. Now you look at like Bobby Slowek
Speaker 2: right now, who's in that head coaching candidate pool right now?
Speaker 2: So but you're right, like, there's a lot of young
Speaker 2: guys and there's a lot of play callers who seem
Speaker 2: so singularly focused on the one thing that made them successful.
Speaker 2: But guess what, there's about ten things that a head
Speaker 2: coach is going to have to do setting the cultures
Speaker 2: number one. That's why I love what Jim Harball has
Speaker 2: done done in his career because his teams are tough
Speaker 2: man like. You don't typically hear about an offensive minded
Speaker 2: coach who like leads with physicality and toughness. That's what
Speaker 2: That's what Jim Harball has done. Everywhere from Stanford to
Speaker 2: San Francisco to Michigan, there's there's a toughness among his teams.
Speaker 2: He's played the game, and you know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of great coaches who didn't play the game. But I
Speaker 2: think in the case of a guy like Dan Campbell
Speaker 2: who like lived through tough moments and like was in
Speaker 2: the fox hole as a player, I always give you know,
Speaker 2: coach Linn a lot of credit that that twelve and four,
Speaker 2: nine and seven two year window where he had some success.
Speaker 2: Man coach Lynn was a leader of men, and I
Speaker 2: know it didn't work out here, but I think there's
Speaker 2: something to be said about a guy who has had
Speaker 2: a multitude of experiences, including playing in the National Football League,
Speaker 2: and Jim Harball has been everywhere and he's as tough
Speaker 2: as it gets. And I think i've that's why we
Speaker 2: keep going back to that name, and why fans are
Speaker 2: so attracted to it, no.
Speaker 3: Doubt, and I think you know, just to go to
Speaker 3: your coach limp point one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Players loved him. He was a leader of men. He
Speaker 1: got in his own way. He started calling offensive plays.
Speaker 3: You know, when when Shane took over, he wanted a
Speaker 3: piece of that action, and oftentimes he wanted to be
Speaker 3: the guy that was calling the plays inside the twenty
Speaker 3: or critical plays. He was trying to find the perfect play.
Speaker 3: And we know that one of the knocks on coach
Speaker 3: was time management and calling time outs and when to
Speaker 3: go for it and when not and why are we
Speaker 3: running it on third and four? And there was a
Speaker 3: lot of that. And it's like, I think, if you
Speaker 3: just hire someone that you trust, you know, and you
Speaker 3: look at some of the names that are available on
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball, for Jim Hart, look
Speaker 3: Greg Mormons, Greg Romans out there. You know, he was
Speaker 3: let go by Baltimore. He was replaced by Todd Monkin.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're experiencing great success. But it's not like Greg
Speaker 3: coach Lamar Jackson do an MVP season. He was with
Speaker 3: Jim in San Francisc go all those years coordinating that offense,
Speaker 3: you know, taking a team to three championship game.
Speaker 2: Was Greg Roman was a hot head coaching candidate in
Speaker 2: San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, exactly, because he had Colin Kaepernick a second
Speaker 3: round pick and they were taking the league by storm.
Speaker 3: They figured out, they figured out, Like that's the thing
Speaker 3: about you know, you mentioned Matt Lafleur and what he
Speaker 3: was able to do to Dallas. You know, bright offensive mine. Okay,
Speaker 3: I see what dan Quinn's doing. I know how to
Speaker 3: find the soft spots. I'm gonna do it. We're gonna
Speaker 3: tear him up. Maybe they adjust, but until they do,
Speaker 3: we're gonna keep doing this. And he found it, you know.
Speaker 3: And Mike McCarthy didn't, you know, he just didn't. He
Speaker 3: was calling the plays. He couldn't figure it out. So
Speaker 3: I do think there's value in that. But that's something
Speaker 3: that And who did Jim Harbaugh hire to coordinate his
Speaker 3: defense in San Francisco? Vic Fangio didn't care. This guy's
Speaker 3: larger than life, bigger than me. Brought him into Stanford,
Speaker 3: you know, the guy's most respected defensive coordinator in the
Speaker 3: league and didn't care. These guys are great coordinators. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be the head coach. I'm gonna run the program.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna set the tone. These guys are gonna call
Speaker 3: the plays. They're gonna they're gonna be able to do it,
Speaker 3: you know, on each side of the ball. I'll empower them.
Speaker 3: And that's you know, and that's kind of I think
Speaker 3: what we've now returned to as opposed to, Oh, I've
Speaker 3: got to find a head coach on the offensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball that can develop a quarterback that has
Speaker 3: a scheme that wins.
Speaker 1: That's a great play caller.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you can get but if you can get
Speaker 3: Andy Reid, great, great, you know, but the Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 3: Sean McVay, Andy Reid's are so few and far between it.
Speaker 3: And I mean, even for all the celebration that we're given,
Speaker 3: Matt lafleur Man guy had home field advantage against the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers two years ago with the best record
Speaker 3: in the league and couldn't score fourteen points. So, like,
Speaker 3: I appreciate what he was able to do with a
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. And there is no hotter quarterback in the
Speaker 3: league right now than Jordan Love and what he's done
Speaker 3: the last eight weeks in the playoff game, no doubt.
Speaker 3: But let's not forget success really was not there in
Speaker 3: the postseason with Aaron Rodgers with coach lafleur So quarterback,
Speaker 3: maybe it was a quarterback I would love it if
Speaker 3: it were. You have no idea how much I would
Speaker 3: love that if it were Chris one hundred percent. So
Speaker 3: I think that's why we keep going back to this
Speaker 3: one name, you know, And and if they had interviewed
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, or if they had interviewed Mike Rabil already,
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'd be talking about that as well, that
Speaker 3: had any of these three this, But it does, and
Speaker 3: that's what leads me to think that this there's a look,
Speaker 3: the guys get paid a ton of money to be
Speaker 3: right on information. Adam Schefter and Tom Pelsero and Ian
Speaker 3: Rappaport and Jordan Schultz and all these guys get paid
Speaker 3: a lot of money to be right, and every single
Speaker 3: one of them is said the same thing. That it
Speaker 3: appears as though there is intent on each side to
Speaker 3: make this happen. And I don't think they're writing that
Speaker 3: and posting that unless they're hearing it from their sources
Speaker 3: inside each you know, inside each side of this negotiation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Adam Schefton made it very clear that
Speaker 2: the Jim Harball is big fan of Justin Herbert, right,
Speaker 2: so right when that type of information comes out there,
Speaker 2: right you just people are excited right now. And like
Speaker 2: I said, there's a lot of smoke on Twitter, a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of unreliable sources that are being
Speaker 2: I'm glad you don't go on X money. I don't
Speaker 2: think we've talked about that as of late, so it's.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 3: No, I try to avoid it as as best as possible.
Speaker 3: I enjoy I enjoy Instagram. I enjoy my interactions there.
Speaker 3: I find it to be a much more pleasant platform.
Speaker 3: And Twitter is nothing but a nightmare, complete and total nightmare.
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Speaker 2: wanted to bring up another name to kind of in
Speaker 2: that same vein as as Dan Campbell, But man, I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be an absolute superstars Demiko Ryans.
Speaker 2: Did you see did you see the micd up of
Speaker 2: him talking to the linebacker Ian Cunningham basically telling him
Speaker 2: what to do to get a pick six off of
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and boom, you know, and that's the type
Speaker 2: of play that changes a game. And to to your
Speaker 2: point about just a coach who kind of oversees everything
Speaker 2: and can put you in our right position to be
Speaker 2: successful in a pivol game like money. We're starting to
Speaker 2: see kind of a a power shift in football right
Speaker 2: now with all these uncertain head coaches and quarterbacks. You're
Speaker 2: looking at CJ. Stroud, a rookie, a rookie quarterback, and
Speaker 2: a rookie head coach in their first year to do
Speaker 2: what they're doing. There's so many young quarterbacks and and
Speaker 2: you know, then we look at New York and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: It just seems like, man like, you guys are way
Speaker 2: behind the eight ball right now because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of teams in the AFC that you have to contend with.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I'd be worried about Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers and the Jets as much as I'd be worried
Speaker 2: about c. J. Stroud in the Texans or what's going
Speaker 2: on in the AFC North. All four of those teams
Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow coming back. So it's such an interesting
Speaker 2: time to be a fan of football. And you know,
Speaker 2: the parody is real, and that's why I think Chargers
Speaker 2: fans should be excited about whoever comes in here. You know,
Speaker 2: you can turn things around very quickly.
Speaker 3: The point you made about Demiko is very reminiscent of
Speaker 3: what we used to hear about Bill Belichick. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't calling the defensive plays. He would set the
Speaker 3: defense and he would set the tone in the you know,
Speaker 3: over the course of the week of practice. But during
Speaker 3: the game you would always hear about how or in
Speaker 3: the weeks, you know, in the week leading up to
Speaker 3: the game, how he would pop his head into the
Speaker 3: quarterback room and sit with Tom and say, hey, I
Speaker 3: noticed this is what they're doing. Look at this. If
Speaker 3: you see this, look this is going to be I
Speaker 3: know what the doing here. Like That's what he's doing
Speaker 3: during the game is he's observing. He's not calling the defense.
Speaker 3: He's busy watching what's going on and he can figure
Speaker 3: it out. And that's when he reaches, you know, to
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator whoever, says hey, I see this defense,
Speaker 3: I know what they're in.
Speaker 1: This is a winner. This is a winning play.
Speaker 3: And you hear stories like that all the time about
Speaker 3: Belichick because he's watching the big picture. He's not focused
Speaker 3: on if this, if this works, I'm gonna get him
Speaker 3: in third and eight, so what's my third night call
Speaker 3: going to be? But if they gain three, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be third and five. And this is what my third
Speaker 3: And that's the problem with calling plays is you miss
Speaker 3: the big pictures. It's too fine a point on it
Speaker 3: is what you have. So it's a great point about
Speaker 3: Tmiko because that's you know, that's something that and look,
Speaker 3: he's a guy that came from Kyle Shanahan who wanted
Speaker 3: who wants complete control over the offense. And that I understand.
Speaker 3: He's the best play caller in the NFL. So you know,
Speaker 3: Andy Reid, I get there. There is a body of
Speaker 3: work there that shows you're gonna take a hit if
Speaker 3: they're not the one call in the plays. They're so
Speaker 3: darn good at it. Same with Sean McVay. So that
Speaker 3: part I get. But again, there's so many different ways
Speaker 3: to make this work. And you know, year in and
Speaker 3: year out, when you see who makes it to the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, you know, look at Nick Sirianni last year,
Speaker 3: you know, with with the Eagles and Shane Steichen's the
Speaker 3: one calling the plays, but sirian is the one that's
Speaker 3: overseeing it, you know. And and so I think there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of different ways to do it.
Speaker 1: Whichever way you know that that.
Speaker 3: Dean and John, the Spanoses and and Ed and everybody
Speaker 3: decide they're going to go to me. I just feel
Speaker 3: like for the last three, you know, the last three coaches,
Speaker 3: it just feels like it's it's again, it's all lending
Speaker 3: itself to this one particular destination, and again that Jim
Speaker 3: Harbaugh wants to do it. He's got to want to
Speaker 3: do it, you know, that's the one thing you can't control.
Speaker 3: You can present him with an offer that you think
Speaker 3: he can't refuse. You can present him with a roster
Speaker 3: that includes Justin her Herbert, you know, and Rashaun Slater
Speaker 3: and the number five overall pick, you know. And however
Speaker 3: he wants to approach it with those big four, if
Speaker 3: it's a restructure, if it's a trade, if it's a cut,
Speaker 3: if it's figuring out how to bring all four of
Speaker 3: them back with with Khalil, Joey, Keenan and Mike, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of options for him that I believe
Speaker 3: are attractive. And especially if you give him, you know,
Speaker 3: a big runway, you know, a five year runway, something
Speaker 3: along those lines, and you know, a five year runway
Speaker 3: that can turn into a ten year runway if you
Speaker 3: if you win a Super Bowl and you can get
Speaker 3: settled and you can hang out here and perhaps retire
Speaker 3: at seventy if if everything goes as great as we
Speaker 3: think it's going to go.
Speaker 2: Money last point by me and guys, if something happens
Speaker 2: between now and our next charges weekly, well we'll come
Speaker 2: with a little reactionary pod at some point. I don't
Speaker 2: know when it's going to be, if it's going to
Speaker 2: be at any time in the next week, but we'll
Speaker 2: bring you something is as things start to develop here.
Speaker 2: But my last point is really when you look beyond
Speaker 2: the head coach. Philly is a great example. They lost
Speaker 2: Shane Steiken and Jonathan Gannon and they suffered down the stretch, right,
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's picking the correct coordinators and having an
Speaker 2: A plus staff behind your head coach. So whoever it's
Speaker 2: gonna be, that's what That's almost like one A to me.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, who you bring it in to be
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator? Who you bring it in to be
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator? And you know, at this time of
Speaker 2: year we see staffs get rated and you know, you
Speaker 2: have to replenish. So that's going to be a very
Speaker 2: interesting part of the processes. Whoever comes in, what is
Speaker 2: the coaching staff going to look like? And if it's
Speaker 2: a guy like Harball, we've seen some of his assistants
Speaker 2: both at Michigan in San Francisco, like you mentioned, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Fangio, you mentioned rom and I think Pep Hamilton
Speaker 2: was in Michigan with him for a for a stint.
Speaker 3: About David Shaw, he's out of a job right now.
Speaker 3: You know, James Shaw was o CE at Stanford, you know,
Speaker 3: and his assistant head coach for four years.
Speaker 1: Before he took over.
Speaker 2: So is it mintor the DC there?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Michigan he had he had a great year.
Speaker 2: McDonald was there, Mike McDonald was there, so he was.
Speaker 1: There on loan for for a year.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you know, I was pulling up the you know,
Speaker 3: all the different the different interviews, and you look through
Speaker 3: the general managers and you know Terrence Gray and Cunningham,
Speaker 3: uh and then just recently Jeff Ireland had Dodds. It
Speaker 3: seems as though they've pretty much made their way through
Speaker 3: almost everyone that they've requested, So I don't think they've
Speaker 3: interviewed Jeff King or Will McClay yet. But outside of that,
Speaker 3: after yesterday or I don't know if yesterday was Dodds
Speaker 3: in Ireland or if it was I think it was
Speaker 3: Gray Ireland and Dodds, We're all yesterday, So, you know,
Speaker 3: with with those done now, the only interviews that are
Speaker 3: left in terms of requests are Raheem Morris whose rams
Speaker 3: were just eliminated, Dan Quinn whose Cowboys were just eliminated,
Speaker 3: and then Ben Johnson Aaron Glenn who were still alive.
Speaker 3: So it does feel like we're we're at the end
Speaker 3: of this because they can if they want to wait
Speaker 3: for Ben and Aaron and those guys, you know, they
Speaker 3: can do that after this weekend in terms of in
Speaker 3: person if they want to get them out here. So
Speaker 3: I feel like it's I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 3: it's been exhaustive, that's for sure. I mean one, two, three,
Speaker 3: four five, I mean we're talking about almost ten general
Speaker 3: manager candidates, two four, six, eight nine head coaching interviews.
Speaker 3: I mean that they said it was going to be
Speaker 3: that they were going to have an exhaustive search, and
Speaker 3: they certainly have. They talked to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: So where it ends up we you know, nobody knows.
Speaker 3: It's all what he you know, it all depends on
Speaker 3: what you think your team needs at that given moment.
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones thinks his team needs another year of Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3: A lot of people would disagree with that, but that's,
Speaker 3: you know, that's what he thinks, and who knows, maybe
Speaker 3: depending on you know, I hope he sticks around. I
Speaker 3: hope there's a way for Kellen Moore to be sold on,
Speaker 3: you know, sticking around and trying to keep this offense
Speaker 3: very similar to you know, maybe maybe there's a way
Speaker 3: that he and the next head coach can work together.
Speaker 3: But if not, I could totally see Jerry saying, hey,
Speaker 3: let's bring Kellen back. Let's just let's get this off
Speaker 3: your plate and let's you know, it's something you guys
Speaker 3: can get a more collect you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: there's just so many different ways to go about it,
Speaker 3: and like that would not surprise me at all. I
Speaker 3: think Dan Quinn, after that playoff game and the way
Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur just humiliated him, is going to have a
Speaker 3: little bit of a struggle here in this head coaching cycle.
Speaker 3: Fair not it's one game. I guy coach multiple Pro Bowlers,
Speaker 3: all pros. You know, he certainly deserves better than than
Speaker 3: what the incoming that he's taking, you know, considering how
Speaker 3: well is defense have played in the playoffs in the past,
Speaker 3: you know, and it was the offense that let the
Speaker 3: Cowboys down. But you know, it's the last.
Speaker 1: Thing that's the case.
Speaker 2: It's the last thing you see. And I think that
Speaker 2: that's going to be no doubt that that's going to
Speaker 2: be a question in dan Quinn's interview, is what happened
Speaker 2: last week.
Speaker 3: But you know what the big thing, Chris, honestly is,
Speaker 3: I would assume most owners or president of football operations
Speaker 3: would say, I can't I can't get this guy out
Speaker 3: at a press conference. I can't introduce this guy to
Speaker 3: the fans after that. We can't sell this like we
Speaker 3: could have if it would have been a fourteen to
Speaker 3: thirteen Cowboys lose to the Packers and Dak and Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy disappoint again and no clock management and Dak threw
Speaker 3: a pick sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can sell that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't sell Jordan Love throwing to guys that
Speaker 3: are wide open, you know, and absolutely demolish you know,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys defense that had been so good all season
Speaker 3: long and having zero answers in that game.
Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Tough.
Speaker 3: Can I sell this? Can I sell this to our fans?
Speaker 3: And you know that are that are calling for you know,
Speaker 3: for change and give us a lot of money every
Speaker 3: year and and are heavily invested in this franchise. It's
Speaker 3: it's very hard to roll that guy out to a
Speaker 3: presser right now.
Speaker 2: Buddy, let me just last thing outside of Harball, which
Speaker 2: candidate are you high on? First time candidate, guy who's
Speaker 2: been there before? Like, is there another candidate that you
Speaker 2: you because we can think here that you think could
Speaker 2: be a really good head coach?
Speaker 3: Look for me, I think we've we've talked about it.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's one of three and it would be
Speaker 3: four if he would throw his name in, but he
Speaker 3: won't because he doesn't want to coach anymore. But it'd
Speaker 3: be Chris Peterson. I just I need to I need
Speaker 3: a winner, and I need a leader. And so that's Belichick, Rabel, Harbaugh.
Speaker 3: Just to me, that's what this this locker room needs,
Speaker 3: that this franchise and needs that someone that walks in
Speaker 3: the door and is viewed as a winning coach, as
Speaker 3: someone that wins, not someone that coordinated a defense in
Speaker 3: Baltimore or got the most out of Lamar Jackson in
Speaker 3: Baltimore in his you know, first season there. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's not that I just don't feel I feel like
Speaker 3: we've had that. I mean, Brandon Staley had the number
Speaker 3: one defense in the league when he showed up and
Speaker 3: the press conference, he was dynamic in the press conference,
Speaker 3: he said all the right things. He got off to
Speaker 3: a great start. He was this forward thinking, aggressive, go
Speaker 3: forward on fourth down. I believe in Justin Herbert and
Speaker 3: Keenan Allen and that's why we're going for it, you
Speaker 3: know kind of guy. And it was great. Those little
Speaker 3: moments were great, but the big, the whole was not,
Speaker 3: you know. And so that's why I think it's such
Speaker 3: a critical moment for Justin Herbert at twenty six, at
Speaker 3: the start of this extension, prime to his the next figure.
Speaker 3: This coach is going to be with him through his
Speaker 3: age thirty season. So to me, it is so important
Speaker 3: to get it right. And I would much rather have
Speaker 3: someone even though Mike McCarthy, even though Mike Vrabels offenses
Speaker 3: at times had struggled. He had those two really good
Speaker 3: seasons with Arthur Smith, you know, where they had a
Speaker 3: thirteen and three record and were the number one seed,
Speaker 3: and had Ryan Tannehill not thrown like sixty interceptions in
Speaker 3: the game against the Bengals, they would have won and
Speaker 3: perhaps gone to the Super Bowl that year that he
Speaker 3: took him to an AFC championship. So I do think
Speaker 3: there's a little concern about offense with Mike Rabel and
Speaker 3: making sure he brings in the right guy. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, just we know it. Heck, we've seen
Speaker 3: it up close and personal. Saw it this year Tennessee
Speaker 3: dragged him into the deep end and sucked him under
Speaker 3: to get the winning overtime. We saw it last year
Speaker 3: when they had no business being in that game, and
Speaker 3: it took a miraculous effort from Justin Herbert at the
Speaker 3: end of the game to get a game winning field
Speaker 3: goal to knock him out. They are such tough teams
Speaker 3: to deal with, so it would be I would I
Speaker 3: would love it if it were one of those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, The preparation in the in game strategy of Frabele
Speaker 2: and Belichick is something that I think this team would
Speaker 2: benefit from, no doubt.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Steve Wilts is interesting. You know, turned around Carolina,
Speaker 3: you know, got a raw deal in Arizona. He's coordinating
Speaker 3: a heck of a defense in San Francisco. So, like,
Speaker 3: that's another one that's that's interesting to me. Someone that
Speaker 3: had been a head coach before and his player.
Speaker 2: I think I thought, we're here that game on Saturday
Speaker 2: night or Sunday night, right. I think that that got
Speaker 2: him a head coaching Joe.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, he's going to get hired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if we want to hire the
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator from the Rams again, though, I think that's
Speaker 3: the that's the trick there is. It's just tough to
Speaker 3: to do the same it's it's not the same thing.
Speaker 3: Ray Morris has been a head coach, He's been in
Speaker 3: the league for a long time. He's coordinated defenses for
Speaker 3: a long time. At the same time, like I said, perception,
Speaker 3: Oh wait, didn't we just hire the defensive coordinator that
Speaker 3: had Aaron Donald from the Rams, that had Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 3: from the Rams?
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't we just do that? That's the problem.
Speaker 2: There's enough openings that I think Raheem deserves a shot.
Speaker 3: Is Oh, he's getting one. I have no doubt. I
Speaker 3: have no doubt in my mind that he's getting one.
Speaker 3: I think Ben Johnson's getting one, Raheem Morris is getting one,
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel's getting one, Jim Harbaugh's getting one, Bill Belichick's
Speaker 3: getting one. That's five those to me, those five guys
Speaker 3: either the two coordinators to me that are definitely getting
Speaker 3: hired are Ben Johnson and Mike McDonald and I think
Speaker 3: and Raheem Morris. And then so that's six. Rabel, Belichick, Harbaugh.
Speaker 3: Those those six guys I believe will be hired.
Speaker 2: And it's trending. Pierce, it seems like in Vegas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. You know, Mark Davis didn't listen
Speaker 3: to his players when they said they wanted Rich Bassacia,
Speaker 3: and he went out on his own and got Josh
Speaker 3: McDaniels and it ended horribly. So and if you're Mark Davis,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, all right,
Speaker 3: we tried it my way, it failed, let's try it
Speaker 3: your way. I'm giving McDaniels ten million bucks and John
Speaker 3: Gruden twenty million bucks in coaching salaries. I'm paying out anyway.
Speaker 3: You know, might as well see if this works, save
Speaker 3: a little bit of money without trying to bring in
Speaker 3: another fifteen million dollar a year head coach in Harbar
Speaker 3: or Rabel or Belichick or something like that.
Speaker 1: So and it worked.
Speaker 3: You know, their defense went from what twenty six to fifth,
Speaker 3: and they went five and four, and they beat the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: and they beat the snot out of the Chargers, and
Speaker 3: they beat the Broncos in the final game of the year.
Speaker 3: So he clearly showed he can coach against Sean Payton
Speaker 3: and Andy Reid and showed he did a number on
Speaker 3: the Chargers. So I think that's probably enough. If I
Speaker 3: were Mark Davis, I'd say, all right, DeVante wants him.
Speaker 3: If Max Crosby is that adamant that he really wants
Speaker 3: to play for this guy, I'm okay with that. Let's
Speaker 3: give it go and see if we can make it work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll they'll have to bring in a new quarterback
Speaker 2: and a and a offensive coordinator that can put some
Speaker 2: points on the board. Because save for the Thursday night
Speaker 2: game against the Chargers, you know, they did they did
Speaker 2: everything with kind of smoking not not smoking mirrors, but
Speaker 2: just defense. Like the offenseense. Was it the arrowhead that
Speaker 2: a cole didn't attempt to pass after the first quarter? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like if.
Speaker 2: They get their offense right, you know, who's to say
Speaker 2: that's not a not a good hire?
Speaker 1: And you they lost three to the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vikings. They put up a goose egg. Here's here's
Speaker 2: too money is like, you know, he's not a proven
Speaker 2: head coach, but you give him a runway for a
Speaker 2: year or two to kind of show that he can
Speaker 2: do it, then you know there's really no there's no
Speaker 2: downside to it because your your locker room wants them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I get it if you're Mark Davis and you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: I got an opportunity to hire Jim Harb bought Mike Rabel,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to take a pass because this guy
Speaker 3: had you know, an okay, nine games straight. That's I
Speaker 3: get why that's scary. But I think because to me,
Speaker 3: it's all the Bisaca thing is what is what leads
Speaker 3: you to that point, Like, man, I really stepped in it.
Speaker 3: I should have kept this guy. The players loved him,
Speaker 3: they played hard for him. We made the playoffs. You know,
Speaker 3: we were right there at the end, you know, at
Speaker 3: the very end of that game against the Bengals, and
Speaker 3: that's a team that ended up going to the AFC Championship.
Speaker 3: I should have just listened to him, kept my coordinators,
Speaker 3: hired Bassachia and see if we can have some continuity.
Speaker 3: Instead brought a new guy in. He wrecked Derek Carr,
Speaker 3: wrecked the franchise. Everybody hated him. Cost me fifty million bucks.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, and it's what the people want. It's
Speaker 3: what the Raiders fans want. They love them, you know,
Speaker 3: so give them to them. That's I think there's something
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 2: Yep, we could be in a division with you know,
Speaker 2: we'll see what the Chargers do. But you got Peyton,
Speaker 2: you got read it. It's going to be very interesting,
Speaker 2: you know, especially with all these all the head coach
Speaker 2: movement I mentioned in the quarterback movement and what's going
Speaker 2: to happen at the top of the draft, which is
Speaker 2: another episode, another time for talking about the draft, because
Speaker 2: we don't know it's going to happen here. But like
Speaker 2: the Caleb Williams think Caleb Williams entering the NFL drafts
Speaker 2: on the very final hour that you can do it
Speaker 2: like that's that's intriguing.
Speaker 1: Well remember though, CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud did that last year, so I know everybody's making
Speaker 3: a big deal about it, But yeah, Stroud did that too.
Speaker 3: I mean why, I don't know. Maybe he just like
Speaker 3: the attention or something. He's The idea that somehow he
Speaker 3: holds any cards is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He doesn't.
Speaker 3: He holds zero cards. You know that everyone thought he
Speaker 3: was going to go back to USC for a twenty
Speaker 3: million dollar nil payment. No, it was never going to happen.
Speaker 3: Oh he's going to get a percentage of the team.
Speaker 3: Never going to happen, though, no chance in the world.
Speaker 1: You are not. And I think the only thing.
Speaker 3: That could happen is people could just decide that they
Speaker 3: don't like his attitude, that they don't like his makeup,
Speaker 3: that they don't think he's a leader of men, and
Speaker 3: that concerns them, and he drops down behind Drake May
Speaker 3: and Jade and Daniels. You know, that could happen if
Speaker 3: his interviews are that bad and if he has a
Speaker 3: really bad attitude, you know, potentially that could be a situation.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like he's that kind of guy. I
Speaker 3: think he's just gotten some poor advice from from the
Speaker 3: people that he's working with. By all accounts, he seems
Speaker 3: like a really good teammate, someone who's great in the
Speaker 3: locker room. It got sideways on him this year. He
Speaker 3: had nothing left to prove. He had already won the Heisman,
Speaker 3: he wanted to win a national championship. It went sideways
Speaker 3: and there was nothing left for him to do but
Speaker 3: get hurt. You know, he's already knew he's gonna be
Speaker 3: the number one pick. So I get it at that
Speaker 3: part of it, I get so. I think for him,
Speaker 3: he's going to the Bears. They're not trading out of
Speaker 3: that pick and keeping justin fields. They're not taking Drake
Speaker 3: may or Jaden Daniels over him unless there is just
Speaker 3: a huge red flag on character. And I don't foresee
Speaker 3: that to be the problem. I don't foresee that happening.
Speaker 2: They blew out their offensive that for a reason, right
Speaker 2: Like I think it was Rich Eisen who said, like,
Speaker 2: do you hire Cliff Kingsbury? Probably he probably do, right like,
Speaker 2: or somebody that's associated with Caleb that that knows him.
Speaker 2: I don't know, could be, it could be a possible.
Speaker 1: It makes sense.
Speaker 3: Make it as comfortable as possible, you know, think about
Speaker 3: what the think about what the Ravens did for Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: how they completely built the team around him and and
Speaker 3: and played to his strengths. You know, even though there
Speaker 3: wasn't incredible success, you can't argue with how great Kyler
Speaker 3: Murray looked his first couple of seasons with Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 3: It was comfortable. It was what he was doing. He thrived,
Speaker 3: So no doubt that. Yeah, there's something to that. You know,
Speaker 3: look when Joe Burrow took off, when they were like,
Speaker 3: you know what, let's just do what he did at LSU.
Speaker 3: Let's go empty five out in the pattern, and and
Speaker 3: Joe's fine, he's such a quick decision maker. He's gonna
Speaker 3: find the open guy and that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: Let's just let's just do it, do it. Did do
Speaker 3: what worked for them. You know what they're pre a
Speaker 3: stop and that's you know, look at CJ. Stroud, you know,
Speaker 3: the guy's incredible on those intermediate throws. All right, Well,
Speaker 3: let's go sign Dalton Schultz and let's let's get a
Speaker 3: ton of these intermediate throws set up for him and
Speaker 3: just play to his strengths. And that's no doubt. I
Speaker 3: think you hit it right on the head, Chris. That's
Speaker 3: probably what they'll do. Hire one of those guys that
Speaker 3: worked with Caleb, that did great things and helped them
Speaker 3: win a Heisman and and ease that transition to the pros,
Speaker 3: especially when you're playing on the freaking shores of Lake
Speaker 3: Michigan and the wind is howling at negative twenty and
Speaker 3: fifty miles an hour.
Speaker 2: We got an education on Bear's quarterbacks last week from money, right,
Speaker 2: So Caleb Williams comes in best quarterback in Bear's history
Speaker 2: immediately right.
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's got a chance to replace old
Speaker 3: Sid Luckman, you know Or how about this?
Speaker 1: You know what? No, I got a pause there.
Speaker 2: The seventy three nothing Sid Luckman.
Speaker 3: He's got a chance to come in and be the
Speaker 3: best quarterback since old number four Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 2: There we go, let's go, let's end there. You know
Speaker 2: what I think I said My last point was twenty
Speaker 2: minutes ago. We just love ball. We can't stop talking
Speaker 2: about ball.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, exactly love it.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I can only hope that the
Speaker 3: second this thing posts, we got to scrap it and
Speaker 3: come back and talk about a head coach and general
Speaker 3: manager that have just been hired. It'd be wonderful to
Speaker 3: go into the weekend knowing that that's been settled.
Speaker 2: It'd be great. It'd be great, and we'll be on
Speaker 2: standby again. If anything happens between now and our next
Speaker 2: Chargers Weekly, we'll come at you early with our immediate
Speaker 2: reaction to head coach GM whatever could possibly happen. So money,
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Love this episode with you and
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