Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into another episode of the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Dynasty Football Podcast. I am Ryan Wormley. Usually in my
Speaker 1: intros I say I am joined by a couple of analysts.
Speaker 1: Today I feel like I am joining a couple of analysts,
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris and Scott Bogman graciously allowing me to
Speaker 1: join the Dynasty Show as our first episode back here
Speaker 1: as we are into the off season here in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, Fits, you just couldn't get enough of me
Speaker 1: podcasting on the regular football show, you needed to be
Speaker 1: on the Dynasty one as well, right.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it, worm And you know, like we, Bogman
Speaker 2: and I I thought we were a pretty good two
Speaker 2: piece for a Dynasty podcast. Maybe we weren't the white
Speaker 2: stripes of Dynasty podcasters, but we were at least like
Speaker 2: the black Keys I'd like to thank. But now we
Speaker 2: are a three piece. We are the Rush of Dynasty
Speaker 2: podcast the Police of Dynasty podcasts, the Hooskerdo of Dynasty podcasts.
Speaker 2: Like hopefully it is a fuller, richer listening experience for
Speaker 2: our Dynasty enthusiasts out there.
Speaker 1: I knew a couple of those bands Hoosker Do. I
Speaker 1: can't claim to have any knowledge.
Speaker 3: Of what about the Hoosker dunce.
Speaker 1: I don't have the foggiest idea, But Bogvid, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you letting me join as well. We don't podcast on
Speaker 1: a regular basis quite as much as Fits and I do.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited to talk some dynasty with you here
Speaker 1: going forward, buddy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they wanted. They said to me, Look,
Speaker 4: enough of the Steelers talk. We're gonna have to put
Speaker 4: a Ravens fan on here to bounce you out. So
Speaker 4: this is your your your penance here. So but it's
Speaker 4: all right. We are a rare breed of Steelers and
Speaker 4: Ravens fans that get along and understand each other because
Speaker 4: we're both kind of the same level of psycho I
Speaker 4: feel like about our teams, so you know, I think
Speaker 4: that balances us out. And I gotta say, FITZI, I'm
Speaker 4: just so fat. When you said two piece to three piece,
Speaker 4: all I could think about was chicken, so that I
Speaker 4: was not thinking bands at all. So yeah, I was
Speaker 4: thinking about some KFC email or something. But yeah, the
Speaker 4: three piece always better than the two piece.
Speaker 1: Well, in my opinion, whether we're talking chicken music or football.
Speaker 1: We will have some fun here on this show. And
Speaker 1: for everybody who's wondering, like, oh hey, what about you know,
Speaker 1: having thora on as a guest or someone we're outside
Speaker 1: guests like Cody or you know whoever, that'll still happen.
Speaker 1: I'll step aside whenever we have those guests come on.
Speaker 1: We want to get some expertise from elsewhere. But I
Speaker 1: will be on most shows going forward. Also, I will
Speaker 1: mention there's a chance because of scheduling purposes, I'm not
Speaker 1: on next week's show. I want everybody to know that
Speaker 1: and not think I was just fired after the first
Speaker 1: episode because I did such a bad job. So if
Speaker 1: I'm not on next week, it's for scheduling reasons and
Speaker 1: nothing else. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to.
Speaker 3: It episode guys, believe it exactly.
Speaker 1: Today we were talking about some tears here. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the running backs here, some Dynasty tears as we
Speaker 1: sit here in mid January. Obviously, this stuff is very
Speaker 1: subject to change as the off season progresses, as we
Speaker 1: get here through the next several months. Taking a snapshot
Speaker 1: of the tiers as they stand here in the middle
Speaker 1: of January, we're talking about where we disagree, where we
Speaker 1: do agree, what the staff rankings might look like compared
Speaker 1: to the expert, you know, industry consensus rankings. We'll run
Speaker 1: through it all here. We're going to end with some
Speaker 1: rookie talk at the end too, so we're not going
Speaker 1: to sprinkle them into the rankings just yet, but we'll
Speaker 1: talk about some rookies here to wrap up the show.
Speaker 1: If anybody's wondering, you can find all of our early
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four consensus rankings and tiers at fantasypros dot
Speaker 1: com slash rankings. You can navigate to the Dynasty rankings there,
Speaker 1: staff rankings, you can look at redraft whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. Again, that's fantasypros dot Com slash rankings bogs.
Speaker 1: Before we jump in, I actually asked this to Fits
Speaker 1: when we were doing our redraft tiers show. I want
Speaker 1: to get your opinion here too, and obviously from the
Speaker 1: Dynasty perspective, what is your approach to ranking players in January?
Speaker 1: Are you trying to do a lot of projection in
Speaker 1: terms of I think the situation will change because I
Speaker 1: think this team is going to draft a quarterback or
Speaker 1: this team is going to add wide receiver, and free agency,
Speaker 1: or are you trying to say as of right now,
Speaker 1: again this sort of snapshot in time, this is where
Speaker 1: the rankings stand. How do you approach ranking players right
Speaker 1: now at this point in the offseason.
Speaker 4: I try to do mainly what I think is going
Speaker 4: to be happening this season. So if there's a coaching change,
Speaker 4: if there is a personnel change, if there is, like
Speaker 4: you said, a big move in other parts, maybe a
Speaker 4: quarterback that makes the whole system go something like that,
Speaker 4: I try to take that into consideration at least a little.
Speaker 4: But I would say that right now is probably fifty
Speaker 4: percent offensive context, especially if nothing is changing, Like nothing's
Speaker 4: going to change in San Francisco right so CMC is
Speaker 4: going to be way up there. But if we are
Speaker 4: going to see significant changes, to try to take those
Speaker 4: into account. And there's a lot of unpredictability right now,
Speaker 4: which is why you at the top said, look, these
Speaker 4: are subjects to change, right If something changes in you know,
Speaker 4: it makes a big, drastic difference, then obviously we are
Speaker 4: going to adjust for that. But I think for the
Speaker 4: most part right now, it's skill. It's what I think
Speaker 4: they can do in a three year window. That's how
Speaker 4: I like to do my dyn rankings for the most part.
Speaker 4: It's a three year window to me, with the edge
Speaker 4: going to the future, right, So I will lower some
Speaker 4: of those guys, those older guys down, but not as
Speaker 4: much as maybe some other people do. So I try
Speaker 4: to keep it as balanced as I can, but it
Speaker 4: is a difficult task.
Speaker 3: In January, like you said, yeah.
Speaker 1: Fits, we talked about that a bit on the Main
Speaker 1: show a couple of weeks ago with you, me and Deebro.
Speaker 1: Does your approach change for Dynasty compared to what your
Speaker 1: answer was when we were talking about the early redraft rankings.
Speaker 2: I mean a little bit like we're still in Dynasty.
Speaker 2: I guess we're less concerned about maybe positional log jams,
Speaker 2: or maybe there's a receiver we really like who's not
Speaker 2: playing with a great quarterback, because there is time over
Speaker 2: the course of a young player's career where things can
Speaker 2: straighten out, maybe the logjam clears above that player at
Speaker 2: the position, or that team gets a better quarterback. If not,
Speaker 2: you know, the coming year, maybe the year after that.
Speaker 2: So we're a little less worried about where a guy
Speaker 2: stacks up on the depth chart or what a supporting
Speaker 2: cast looks like I think, all.
Speaker 1: Right, with that preamble out of the way, let's jump
Speaker 1: into the actual tiers here. We're going to start right
Speaker 1: at the very top, and this will be similar tiers
Speaker 1: to how we do the Redraft shows. We got the
Speaker 1: S tier at the top, A, B, C, D, and F,
Speaker 1: so we'll run through sort of the top six tiers. Again,
Speaker 1: we're working based off the expert you know, industry consensus rankings,
Speaker 1: and we'll sort of reference where the staff rankings might
Speaker 1: differ from that here as we get through. Again subject
Speaker 1: to change here, but right at the top, we've got
Speaker 1: four names in the S tier. Number one be Jean Robinson, unsurprisingly,
Speaker 1: number two Breise Hall, number three Christian McCaffrey, and number
Speaker 1: four Jamier Gibbs, so boggs. Before we dive into these
Speaker 1: players specifically, just overall thoughts on this top tier, I mean,
Speaker 1: three really young guys, plus Christian McCaffrey, who's obviously the
Speaker 1: Redraft RB one. Right now, what do you make of
Speaker 1: these first four names?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is the tip of the spear, right,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna add another guy in here to this tier,
Speaker 4: but these are all young productive I mean, Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 4: is an other worldly beast. He's the only nine baby
Speaker 4: in this group here. The rest are all born after
Speaker 4: two thousand and one and later. So but yeah, these
Speaker 4: are the guys that are irreplaceable because of their skill
Speaker 4: and the fact that these guys can all get three
Speaker 4: hundred touches and no one would.
Speaker 1: Bat and I yeah, it feels we're talking about Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey as the old guy when he's four years younger
Speaker 1: than I am. Just talking about professional athletes is the
Speaker 1: greatest way to feel old, if anybody's ever hoping to
Speaker 1: do that fits. What are your sort of initial thoughts
Speaker 1: in this is foresome Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean I think these are the elites and they
Speaker 2: all belong here. Pretty much great draft capital for Bijon Breese,
Speaker 2: Jamior Gibbs, McCaffrey so established and maybe as the shorter window,
Speaker 2: but McCaffrey's current production is just such that you cannot
Speaker 2: leave him out of this tier.
Speaker 1: Now you allude to this bogman, but who is the
Speaker 1: player that you think belongs in this tier as well?
Speaker 4: I'm still a Jonathan Taylor guy, and this is still
Speaker 4: the dude that can carry a full workload in my opinion,
Speaker 4: I know he had injury stuff and contract stuff this
Speaker 4: year was that is concerning. So I don't hate him
Speaker 4: being in the lower tier. But this is a guy
Speaker 4: that's already been RB one and I think he's still
Speaker 4: young enough to do it again. And I think, you know,
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people are worried about Anthony
Speaker 4: Richardson next year, maybe usurping some touchdowns from him.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe are they going to do the toush push with
Speaker 4: him all the time. Is that just going to be
Speaker 4: what he does or are you going to give it
Speaker 4: to your big running back who should be taking the
Speaker 4: hits because you've already lost Anthony Richardson for a big
Speaker 4: chunk of the season, So I think that that's going
Speaker 4: to balance itself out. So I would stick Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 4: back into this top tier group.
Speaker 3: But I understand the trepidation.
Speaker 1: Fitz. I'm surprised you don't have Jonathan Taylor in your
Speaker 1: top four considering that he is a Badger. Is it
Speaker 1: just that these four names are so good that they're
Speaker 1: kind of unassailable to you, or do you have any
Speaker 1: trepidation about ranking Taylor in this tier?
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with Boggs that he should probably
Speaker 2: be in this tier at least there's a strong case.
Speaker 2: The last time we saw him healthy for a full
Speaker 2: season twenty twenty one, Taylor was the RB one overall
Speaker 2: regardless of scoring format, PPR standard, whatever. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe there's not a lot of pass catching upside with Taylor,
Speaker 2: especially with Anthony Richardson a mobile quarterback. We know mobile
Speaker 2: quarterbacks tend to run it themselves rather than dump off
Speaker 2: when they're in trouble. But at the same time, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe Richardson runs a lot and poaches some goal on touchdowns,
Speaker 2: but think of all the read option stuff they can
Speaker 2: do and how that is going to spike Taylor's rushing
Speaker 2: efficiency if linebackers have to hesitate for a second because
Speaker 2: they don't know whether the ball that Anthony Richardson has
Speaker 2: just put in Jonathan Taylor's bread basket is going to
Speaker 2: stay there or if he's going to pull it out
Speaker 2: and run himself. So, you know, I think Boggs and
Speaker 2: I have talked about this before. It It comes to
Speaker 2: mind with Robert Griffin the third and Alfred Morris when
Speaker 2: RG three of that spectacular rookie year and Alfred Morris
Speaker 2: that your average like five point four yards per Carrion
Speaker 2: was like, he's.
Speaker 3: Not even good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and like Jonathan Taylor's ten times the
Speaker 2: player that alf Morris was, so yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 2: excited about this. Taylor's still only Taylor turns twenty five
Speaker 2: on I think January nineteenth, which might be the day
Speaker 2: a lot of people are consuming this show. So happy birthday,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor. Yes, still very young and still very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One last question here, just in this group, and
Speaker 1: let's set aside CMC for a second. Bogman. Of the
Speaker 1: three young guys, again, they're all relatively young, but the
Speaker 1: of Bjeon Breesaw and Jamier Gibbs, who's the guy that
Speaker 1: you are most worried about maybe losing value? There's some
Speaker 1: uncertainty to the situations of each guy. Obviously, head coaching
Speaker 1: change for Jean Robinson, Jamior Gibbs likely to lose the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator from Detroit when he gets hired away. Brees
Speaker 1: Hall questions about you know, Aaron Rodgers aging coming off
Speaker 1: of a brutal injury, So there's some uncertainty around all
Speaker 1: three of these young guys. Are any of them, you
Speaker 1: worried about losing value into next season.
Speaker 3: Not really.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think even with Bill Belichick
Speaker 4: and knowing that you know, the Falcons are seriously considering him.
Speaker 4: You know, it hasn't been announced yet, but it seems
Speaker 4: like the writing is on the wall there that he
Speaker 4: is going to be the new head coach of the Falcons.
Speaker 4: We know he likes to use two backs, but I
Speaker 4: also think that he can recognize when you know who
Speaker 4: the best players are and get the football to him.
Speaker 4: It's something he couldn't do in New England because he
Speaker 4: couldn't evaluate players anymore.
Speaker 3: Right, it seems like maybe that's it.
Speaker 4: But he's dropped in to a team with these unbelievable playmakers.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to know to get the ball
Speaker 4: to Beijon. So I think there's a little concern there
Speaker 4: with him. But I'm really not worried about any of
Speaker 4: these guys. I guess if you're asking me my biggest
Speaker 4: concern between the three of them, it'd probably be Briefsall
Speaker 4: getting hurt again, to be honest, but you know, he
Speaker 4: looks so good this year, coming off of his major injury.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be fine. So I don't
Speaker 4: really have a lot of worry for these guys.
Speaker 3: No more than I do.
Speaker 4: You know, the baseline worry for a running back is
Speaker 4: already pretty high because they all get hurt. But no
Speaker 4: more than a normal baseline and worry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's kind of baked in when you're talking
Speaker 1: about running backs in dynasty fits quickly, same question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I Boggs answered it perfectly.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have anything more to add.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to the A tier here. Jonathan Taylor is
Speaker 1: at the top of this tier. Is RB five that
Speaker 1: we've got Travis Etn, Devon h Chan, Kien Williams, and
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker Fits. I want to start with you, are
Speaker 1: these the correct five names for the second tier? Even
Speaker 1: if you might be able to quibble with the order.
Speaker 2: I do think they are the correct five, And you know,
Speaker 2: like unless we are putting Jonathan Taylor in the S tier,
Speaker 2: otherwise I think we have this tier exactly correct.
Speaker 3: Boggs, what do you think I would add one more
Speaker 3: guy again?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, we'll talk about him in the next segment though,
Speaker 4: so and I understand I'm much higher on that guy
Speaker 4: and I have an unrealistic expectation for him, So, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I think this is about correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, quibble with the order a little, but I like
Speaker 3: this group so.
Speaker 1: Kind of the reverse question that I asked in the
Speaker 1: last year of who might lose value? Which of these
Speaker 1: I'm actually say which of these four names, because I
Speaker 1: think we all agree Jonathan Taylor is at the top.
Speaker 1: So which of the other four, which again is Kien Williams,
Speaker 1: Devon H Chan, Travis Etn and Kenneth Walker, which of
Speaker 1: those guys is the best chance of vaulting into the
Speaker 1: S tier next season?
Speaker 2: Fits I think it's a Chan. We didn't really get
Speaker 2: a good handle on what A Chan's usage is going
Speaker 2: to look like. He was coming off a preseason shoulder
Speaker 2: injury to start the season, so he didn't play it
Speaker 2: all in Week one and barely played in Week two.
Speaker 2: He also landed on ir at midseason with a knee injury.
Speaker 2: When he played, there were a couple of games where
Speaker 2: he had twenty or more touches. There were a couple
Speaker 2: games where he was in the eight to twelve touch range.
Speaker 2: I don't know where he's going to stabilize, because, like
Speaker 2: it was kind of unexpected that we got a full
Speaker 2: season of good health from Raheem Mostert. But there was
Speaker 2: that game in Week seventeen where Moster didn't play and
Speaker 2: the Dolphins play the Ravens. Never mind that the Dolphins
Speaker 2: got their doors blown out in that game. But I
Speaker 2: think A Chan's usage in that game was kind of
Speaker 2: in the sweet spot of what we'd like. He had
Speaker 2: fourteen carries, four receptions, one hundred and thirty seven total
Speaker 2: yards in a touchdown. That seems like it's the sweet
Speaker 2: spot because I mean, we're greedy in season. We want
Speaker 2: our guys getting as so many touches and as they
Speaker 2: can get. But a Chan is one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: eight pounds. I'm not sure we want him to get
Speaker 2: Kyron Williams type usage if we want him around for
Speaker 2: a full season.
Speaker 1: Is it eight Chan for you two bogs?
Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to keep giving the Aggie credit here,
Speaker 4: but it has to be, you know, it just it
Speaker 4: just absolutely has to be. And Fitz and I talked
Speaker 4: about this all off season with a Chan, right, it's
Speaker 4: that he's got this other worldly speed. How is any
Speaker 4: He carried a full load of Texas A and M
Speaker 4: so he stayed fairly healthy.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: We know he can do it.
Speaker 4: Got hurt at the NFL, and like Fitz said, we
Speaker 4: don't want to overuse him. In his slight frame, you
Speaker 4: can get unbelievable MVP type seasons like Austin Eckler has
Speaker 4: had for that. But you see what is happening with
Speaker 4: Eckler right now. He's slowing down significantly, so to extend
Speaker 4: his career, I think a fourteen to fifteen touch guy
Speaker 4: tops per game is probably what we have in him.
Speaker 4: But he is still just learning this position and this
Speaker 4: offense is built so ready for him specifically to take
Speaker 4: advantage of that speed. When you have Tyreek and Waddle
Speaker 4: and everybody working over the middle there, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think I think the only three guys averaged more
Speaker 4: points than him and have PPR right, wasn't it McCaffrey,
Speaker 4: Kyron and his teammate Rahem Mostert. So yeah, I think
Speaker 4: a Chan is the guy to move up here if anybody, and.
Speaker 1: The staff rankings reflect that too. Ericson is the odd
Speaker 1: man out. He's got him RB ten in his Dynasty rankings.
Speaker 1: Everybody else you two, and Sebro has him MARBI six,
Speaker 1: So you guys are all kind of in lockstep. It's
Speaker 1: just Ericson dragging out his ranking a bit. The other
Speaker 1: guy I wanted to ask about this while we're in
Speaker 1: this tier, Kenneth Walker. I mean, he's somebody that people
Speaker 1: were really excited about. Then the Seahawks drafted Zach Charvona
Speaker 1: in the second round and it kind of threw a
Speaker 1: wrench into the works, but he kind of held off. Sharbonay, right, Boggs.
Speaker 1: I mean this is still seems like his backfield and
Speaker 1: he's still a worthy guy to be in this a tier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is a guy that but if
Speaker 4: you ask me the question from the first year of
Speaker 4: whom I worried about falling off, and it wouldn't really
Speaker 4: be because of Kenneth Walker's ability. I think he's one
Speaker 4: of the best running backs in the NFL. And you
Speaker 4: saw it at the collegiate level when you know he's
Speaker 4: facing nine man boxes at Michigan State because I couldn't
Speaker 4: throw the ball and he was still getting the job done.
Speaker 4: That's just incredible. And you can see the flashes of it.
Speaker 4: It's been a little banged up and Sharbonna's there, so
Speaker 4: I do worry about him. But in terms of skill,
Speaker 4: I think he's the best in this group. So outside
Speaker 4: of we all ag retailors should be moved up. I
Speaker 4: think he's the best skill wise in this group. But
Speaker 4: he does have competition. Obviously, a new head coach coming
Speaker 4: into Seattle as well, so you know we'll see what
Speaker 4: happens in the split. But I think Walker is too
Speaker 4: good to be ignored.
Speaker 1: Let's move to the bat here here starts off with
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley at RB ten, then Rashad White, James Cook,
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, Isaiah Pacheco, and DeAndre Swift. Again, these are
Speaker 1: the expert consensus rankings. This is for half PPR, by
Speaker 1: the way, or actually no, I'm sorry, it's for full
Speaker 1: pep ARE that we're working off with. Here again Saquon,
Speaker 1: Rashad White, James Cook, Josh Jacobs, Isaiah Pacheco, DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 1: Now Saquon is the guy that Boggs thinks should be
Speaker 1: a tier higher. I want to actually start with fits
Speaker 1: and make the case against Saquon being moved up before
Speaker 1: we move to Bogman.
Speaker 2: He has gotten less and less efficient as a pass catcher,
Speaker 2: to the point where his pass catching efficiency is actually
Speaker 2: sort of alarmingly bad now, So like I worry if
Speaker 2: that doesn't come back, if he's ever going to be
Speaker 2: great without getting this massive volume that puts him at
Speaker 2: like increased risk of injury, which is what we saw
Speaker 2: this past year. Like when Saquon had his big games,
Speaker 2: it was because he was getting like close to thirty touches.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see a more sustainable workload. But for
Speaker 2: him to do that and still produce at a top
Speaker 2: tier level, he's gonna have to be like a better
Speaker 2: pass catcher. And I don't know if that explosiveness in
Speaker 2: the passing game is coming back, like we just we
Speaker 2: haven't seen it for so long. It's been like four
Speaker 2: or five years now.
Speaker 1: In the staff rankings, Saquon is RB eleven, RB twelve,
Speaker 1: RB twelve and then RB nine from guess who Bagman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I still believe in Saquon and I understand
Speaker 4: that the pass catching explosiveness hasn't been there. But name
Speaker 4: me the other good player on the Giants offense. None
Speaker 4: but there's none but okay, but he's a free agent.
Speaker 4: Put him in Houston, right, Devin Singletary is a free agent.
Speaker 4: It's obvious that Damian Pierce is not going to be
Speaker 4: the guy there. Put Saquon in Houston, and now the
Speaker 4: the there's not nine man boxes because CJ. Stroud is amazing.
Speaker 4: So I want to see where Saquon ends up. I
Speaker 4: don't want to judge him based on you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if everyone loves PFF.
Speaker 3: I like PFF. I know JJ Watt doesn't like him.
Speaker 4: But you know their run blocking was like twenty nine
Speaker 4: and their pass blocking was twenty seven. They are a
Speaker 4: bad offensive line with bad quarterbacking and no really great
Speaker 4: skill position players. They thought bringing in Darren Waller. Will
Speaker 4: guess what Darren Waller got hurt. Jalen hyattn't developed fast enough,
Speaker 4: no quarterbacking as Tommy DeVito running the ball was winning
Speaker 4: them games. So I don't want to base my opinion
Speaker 4: on Saquon Barkley around this ugly offense that hopefully he
Speaker 4: won't be playing in next year. So I think if
Speaker 4: you put Saquon on a good team, if you put
Speaker 4: him on you know, somehow Minnesota, or you put him
Speaker 4: on Houston or a decent offense, doesn't even have to
Speaker 4: be a good offense, just an okay offense, I think
Speaker 4: he boosts his value immensely for the next couple of years.
Speaker 4: So I'm still going to be in on Saquon depending
Speaker 4: on landing spot. Look, if he sticks back with the
Speaker 4: Giants and it's still garbage, I'm gonna move him down.
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 4: I promise everyone I will move him down. But if
Speaker 4: he ends up in a good offense, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: be too excited to lower him much more than where
Speaker 4: I have him. So I'm not gonna move he won't
Speaker 4: go above nine. I could say that pretty firmly, but
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask that, like, let's say magically
Speaker 1: he ends up on the Texans for example, right, where
Speaker 1: would he go in Tier two? But it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's still kind of the back of that second tier few.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I could get him ahead of
Speaker 4: kyn because Kyrin is three years younger, and you know
Speaker 4: he plays on for Sean McVay, So I just don't
Speaker 4: think I could do it. I think I have Saquan
Speaker 4: as high as I can get him, and I'll lower
Speaker 4: him based on where he goes.
Speaker 1: Another player I want to talk about in this tier
Speaker 1: is Rashad White Again. He's RB eleven here in the
Speaker 1: consensus rankings. The staff rankings have him all over the place.
Speaker 1: Bagman has him thirteenth, fits as in tenth, Debro has
Speaker 1: him twenty first, and Erickson has him fifth, so there
Speaker 1: is no consensus. It kind of averages out to where
Speaker 1: he is in ECR, but there is no clear consensus
Speaker 1: here among the Fantasy Pro staff at least fits. What
Speaker 1: do you make of we Shod White. You're kind of
Speaker 1: you're the second highest, but kind of in that middle
Speaker 1: range on where he ended up. What do you think
Speaker 1: about White?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I could make a case for putting him lower.
Speaker 2: I think because he he's just a really hard gout
Speaker 2: of rank because he showed that he could handle this
Speaker 2: massive war. But at the same time, three point six
Speaker 2: yards per carry, and I know yards per carry is
Speaker 2: like a really bad stat generally, but there just weren't
Speaker 2: that many times where he efficiently carried the Buccaneers running
Speaker 2: game a la Kyron Williams or some of these other
Speaker 2: like more efficient, more successful backs. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I like the versatile skill set, the run catch capability.
Speaker 2: I think he's a pretty good player. I just don't
Speaker 2: know if he's going to be the workhorse indefinitely for
Speaker 2: Tampa or if they're going to look to bring in
Speaker 2: someone else to lighten his load.
Speaker 1: Bogman on Rashad White, you are eight spots higher than
Speaker 1: Debro and eight spots lower than ericson if I forced
Speaker 1: you to change your ranking to mirror one of theirs,
Speaker 1: would you rather rank White twenty first or.
Speaker 4: Fifth twenty first? I don't think he's good enough to
Speaker 4: be in that top five in terms of skill. I
Speaker 4: think he's a very skilled running back. But I also
Speaker 4: think that he fits perfectly for this Tampa Bay offense.
Speaker 4: I really do, because they want to throw the ball,
Speaker 4: and this was the thing coming in, you know, I
Speaker 4: know they switch off Tom Brady. You go from the
Speaker 4: goat to Baker Mayfield. Obviously there's going to be a
Speaker 4: large drop off, right, but they didn't change the offense.
Speaker 4: The offense is the same and it really works out
Speaker 4: well for Rashad White. So as long as everything status
Speaker 4: quo in Tampa Bay, Baker Mayfield is good enough to
Speaker 4: get it done, and someone better than him would improve
Speaker 4: this offense obviously, So I think for what Rashad White
Speaker 4: is doing in this offense, he's the best RB two.
Speaker 3: I think right now.
Speaker 4: In terms of dynasty, you know, like Fit said, maybe
Speaker 4: Dave Canais gets hired somewhere else and as a head
Speaker 4: coach because he's getting interviews, and maybe they changed the
Speaker 4: offensive system. I would lower Rashad White because of that.
Speaker 4: I don't think I could get him any higher than
Speaker 4: where I have him, because I do think he fits
Speaker 4: perfectly for this offense right now.
Speaker 1: Fits You and Bogs are both actually higher on Josh
Speaker 1: Jacobs than consensus by a few spots. What's your optimism
Speaker 1: coming from on Jacobs?
Speaker 2: Still young, came into the league at a really young age,
Speaker 2: run catch, versatility, one of the best inside runners in football.
Speaker 2: I mean, this dude is tougher than shoe leather. Like,
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs is going to land somewhere and he's going
Speaker 2: to help out an offense and maybe he'll land in
Speaker 2: a better spot. I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 2: be a workhorse or not, although he's shown he can
Speaker 2: handle a seriously heavy load, but he is going to
Speaker 2: help a team out somewhere. Like, I'm still pretty high
Speaker 2: on him. If anyone is like tired of Josh Jacobs
Speaker 2: and wants to sell him, I'll buy.
Speaker 1: There were rumors that he was interested in getting traded
Speaker 1: to the Ravens. Maybe the rumors for Derrick Henry too
Speaker 1: at the trade deadline this year. So if that happens,
Speaker 1: I'll be very excited about Josh Leibs. Don't you worry Bogman?
Speaker 1: I want to ask, so you are the highest among
Speaker 1: the staff on Isaiah Pacheco, but you are the lowest
Speaker 1: by a lot on Deandres Swift, much lower than consensus.
Speaker 1: I believe you have marb twenty seven. It's not even
Speaker 1: close to where he is in ECR. Is that of
Speaker 1: the two you feel stronger about Swift being ranked too
Speaker 1: high than Pachecko being ranked too low.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, one hundred percent. I like Pachecko for two reasons.
Speaker 4: Number one, he's a workhorse beast that is not going
Speaker 4: to go down. He's going to score a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 4: And he's you know, playing with Patrick Mahomes, which is
Speaker 4: just a great spot to be in. So in terms
Speaker 4: of skill, he's fine, but great offense, he's their guy.
Speaker 4: They're going to keep giving the ball. I love it.
Speaker 4: Then he's going to be there for a little bit,
Speaker 4: so I like him. DeAndre Swift is an unrestricted free
Speaker 4: agent this year, and I could see the Eagles going
Speaker 4: a completely different way if they brought him back. I
Speaker 4: will raise him right But right now, he's going to
Speaker 4: be a free agent and he's behind one of the
Speaker 4: best offensive lines in the league, and he finally produced.
Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't good with the Lions we saw
Speaker 4: how good Montgomery and Gibbs are, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think his skill is kind of middling. He's a
Speaker 4: good back, I wouldn't call him a great back. He's
Speaker 4: had some injury stuff in the past as well. It's
Speaker 4: just not really interested in DeAndre Swift. I think his
Speaker 4: value is way too whidh right now. I would probably
Speaker 4: try to go ahead and trade him and get what
Speaker 4: I can for him.
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Speaker 1: the seats. Here here, this is RB sixteen. Javonte Williams,
Speaker 1: then Ramadre Stevenson, Tony Pollard, Alvin Kamara, Austin Eckler, David Montgomery,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, Naje Harris, Brian Robinson and Nick Chubb. It
Speaker 1: runs from RB sixteen to RB twenty five. If you
Speaker 1: weren't counting fits, you are the lowest staff member on Remandre,
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, and Nick Chubb. Which of those three guys
Speaker 1: do you feel strongest about Remandre?
Speaker 2: Like his talent level, I think just below the superstar threshold,
Speaker 2: and it's not entirely clear what his role is going
Speaker 2: to be, but like, I'm still pretty optimistic that he's
Speaker 2: going to be a like provide RB two fantasy value
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. Eckler, I mean, like, I think
Speaker 2: the end is nigh there. And Chib it's just boy.
Speaker 2: I mean, a guy who had already had a major
Speaker 2: knee injury in his past and now has this. Like
Speaker 2: I'm just concerned. I don't know if we see the
Speaker 2: same Nick Chubb when he's back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fair kind of arguments against all
Speaker 1: three of them. I kind of expect to see those
Speaker 1: rankings get lower as the offseason goes on and as
Speaker 1: we start to see even more updates come in from
Speaker 1: experts around the industry on those three guys. So I
Speaker 1: think you're kind of spot on there, Bagman, you are
Speaker 1: the highest on Brian Robinson and you are way the
Speaker 1: highest on Najie Harris. I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: Harris because you're nine spots higher than anybody else on
Speaker 1: staff here. So why are you still a believer in
Speaker 1: Harris even after the Jalen Warren that we saw this year?
Speaker 4: Because Mike Tomlin is still the head coach, and I
Speaker 4: also am gonna be low on Warren because I don't
Speaker 4: know how many touches he can handle. To be honest
Speaker 4: with you, he's got a small frame. So naj he's
Speaker 4: had a thousand yards in each of his first three seasons.
Speaker 4: He's a three hundred touch guy. Kenny Pickett is probably
Speaker 4: going to remain the quarterback of the Steelers after Mike
Speaker 4: Tomlin's press conference yesterday and talking about how he's staying
Speaker 4: and he's still committed to Kenny and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: So this is going to be a run first offense
Speaker 4: with Naji being the A back and Warren being the
Speaker 4: BE back. I don't think a ton is going to
Speaker 4: change in terms of usage. Hopefully a lot is going
Speaker 4: to change in terms of the offense. So look, maybe
Speaker 4: we get an offensive coordinator that comes in and says, yeah, look,
Speaker 4: we need to give the ball to Jalen Warren more.
Speaker 4: If that's the case, will be I will hop on
Speaker 4: the Jalen Warren board because I do think he's probably
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit more skilled than Naji.
Speaker 3: At least he is way more explosive.
Speaker 2: We know that.
Speaker 4: But Naji is just going to be fed the rock.
Speaker 4: We watched the last four or five games. It was
Speaker 4: all nause all running down hill and they got behind
Speaker 4: the identity of this offensive line. I think that is
Speaker 4: what is going to be the basis of the Steelers
Speaker 4: offense next year and probably the next couple of years.
Speaker 4: So I think Nase is gonna get the football a lot.
Speaker 4: So I'm still high on Naj because I think the
Speaker 4: workload is going to be there for him. For Brian Robinson.
Speaker 4: I just I think this guy is a complete back.
Speaker 4: I think he's a step below, you know, like Josh
Speaker 4: Jacobs in terms of those Alabama backs and coming out.
Speaker 4: This dude can do everything. Washington has had issues on offense. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the quarterback has been a problem. Sam Howell is Jekyl
Speaker 4: and Howell is what I called him all year long
Speaker 4: because some games he looked like an MVP, and other
Speaker 4: games he looked like a rookie off the street. He
Speaker 4: was great and terrible. I think Antonio Gibson is gone.
Speaker 4: He's a free agent. I don't think he's coming back.
Speaker 4: I think this team has a lot of positions to
Speaker 4: invest in outside of running back, so I think the
Speaker 4: money in draft capital is going to be spent on
Speaker 4: other spots. So I think Brian Robinson's going to see
Speaker 4: an increased workload this year. I think he can handle it,
Speaker 4: and I think he can be a three down back,
Speaker 4: so I think he could jump off the page this year.
Speaker 4: I think he's coming at a value right now, So
Speaker 4: I'm going to be high on Robinson for sure.
Speaker 1: Fitz, this is kind of the tier of veterans. I mean,
Speaker 1: guys like Kamara Eckler, Joe Mixon who have been productive
Speaker 1: for a long time, you know, considering the position they play.
Speaker 1: Is this kind of the right area for veterans that
Speaker 1: are likely, you know, they're on the back nine of
Speaker 1: their career and probably aren't going to be as quite
Speaker 1: a productive, but there's not really the people to replace
Speaker 1: them yet. What's kind of the logic behind all these
Speaker 1: veterans kind of clump together in the spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it kind of makes sense to put
Speaker 2: those guys in this general region. And I think their
Speaker 2: value depends on where your dynasty team is and whether
Speaker 2: you're ready to win a championship now or if you're building.
Speaker 2: And if you're building, I don't think you want these
Speaker 2: guys on your roster and you should be putting up
Speaker 2: the for sale sign. And if you're if you think
Speaker 2: you're on the cusp of a trophy, these are probably
Speaker 2: the guys you want to go out and get and
Speaker 2: see if someone will take a second round draft pick
Speaker 2: for some of these guys.
Speaker 1: Bog mean. The last guy I want to ask about
Speaker 1: in this tier is the guy at the top of
Speaker 1: the tier, Javonte Williams. He's RB sixteen in ECR, but
Speaker 1: according to our staff, he's RB thirteen, and every member
Speaker 1: of the staff has him ranked higher than RB sixteen.
Speaker 1: So what is it that you think maybe the larger
Speaker 1: industry is missing on Javante that has us a few
Speaker 1: spots higher.
Speaker 3: I think there's number one.
Speaker 4: I think Javonte is one of the hardest guys to
Speaker 4: rank because you know he had the huge injury he
Speaker 4: came back late this year. He kind of he looked
Speaker 4: a little shaky to start, then he looked good, and
Speaker 4: then he looked maybe a little shaky again. He kind
Speaker 4: of went with the offense. But I think being another
Speaker 4: year removed from knee surgery, knowing what he was when
Speaker 4: he came in, and knowing that Russell is gone, this
Speaker 4: team has to find a new quarterback, which means they're
Speaker 4: most likely to focus on the run game. I think
Speaker 4: it's a lot like the Nause and Jalen situation, except
Speaker 4: for next season. For Denver, I feel like it's going
Speaker 4: to be Javante and Jalil McLaughlin there.
Speaker 3: So I feel like.
Speaker 4: In this big committee of a run first offense, it's
Speaker 4: going to be Javante at the top of it, with
Speaker 4: Jaliel being the secondary kind of, you know, like I said,
Speaker 4: the Jalen Warren type of guy, the thunder and lightning
Speaker 4: if you will. But they're both much closer to being
Speaker 4: just both good backs instead of thunder and lightning.
Speaker 3: I just think they're both going to get used a
Speaker 3: lot of.
Speaker 4: Davante is going to be at the front of it,
Speaker 4: and I think if he looks better, he's going to
Speaker 4: be worth, you know, maybe even more than this. So
Speaker 4: I don't want to sell too low on him because
Speaker 4: he's still young, he's still very talented and it should
Speaker 4: be a run first offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to his point, Yeah, I just wanted to jump
Speaker 2: in on Javante. I mean, like the I don't think
Speaker 2: we saw the same explosive back that we saw at
Speaker 2: the beginning of his NFL career, where I mean he
Speaker 2: had some of the highlight plays where he would have
Speaker 2: just tacklers, he was dragging guys for like twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five yards, like he was power, speed, shiftiness, the total package.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we see more of that in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: because he didn't look one in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I think that's all really reasonable.
Speaker 1: I think bog can put it best like he is
Speaker 1: one of the toughest guys to rank right now, because
Speaker 1: I could so easily see this ranking going in both directions,
Speaker 1: you know, this time next year, depending on what happens
Speaker 1: this offseason and what happens this upcoming season. So I'm
Speaker 1: really curious to see where he winds up, honestly, both
Speaker 1: in terms of how he produces and what the industry
Speaker 1: makes of him as we go through the next couple
Speaker 1: of months. Let's move to the D tier here. This
Speaker 1: is thirteen names. It's from RB twenty six to RB
Speaker 1: thirty eight. I'll just quickly read through them. Zach Sharpernay,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Aaron Jones, Taj Spears, Jalen Warren, Roshawn Johnson,
Speaker 1: James Connor, Kendre Miller or Khalil Herbert, Chuba Hubbard, Jerome Ford,
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, and Raheem Moster. So it's obviously a much
Speaker 1: bigger tier as we're getting here further down again, that
Speaker 1: runs from RB twenty six Zach Charboney through RB thirty
Speaker 1: eight Raheem Moster. Our staff has lots of these guys
Speaker 1: as top twenty four Dynasty running backs, guys like Sharboney,
Speaker 1: Deric Henry, tyj Spears, Jalen Warren. The staff rankings all
Speaker 1: have them higher than they are in the industry consensus. Bagman,
Speaker 1: you disagree on Spears and Warren. You kind of hate
Speaker 1: them both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not and this is my joke.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, you have them below consensus, you must
Speaker 4: hate them, Yeah, you know, so, I don't. I love
Speaker 4: both these guys. To be honest with you, Warren just
Speaker 4: really impressed me this year. The explosion, you know, the
Speaker 4: elusive rating, the mistackles force that fact. I think he
Speaker 4: was fourth or fifth in receptions among running backs. He
Speaker 4: is a good back, he's just blocked by Naji and
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of that's going to change,
Speaker 4: which is why I have Nause ranked high. So you know,
Speaker 4: he's over two hundred touches this year, but I think
Speaker 4: that's probably where he's capped. And for Tennessee, obviously a
Speaker 4: new coaching regime is going to come in here. Are
Speaker 4: they gonna like Taija. Is he gonna be their guy?
Speaker 4: Or are they gonna go out and spend on a
Speaker 4: running back and bring someone else in? Because I think
Speaker 4: Taija is in the same boat as Jalen in the
Speaker 4: fact that he is a great running back. But he's
Speaker 4: a guy that's probably capped somewhere around two hundred touches.
Speaker 4: He did it at Tulane. There's a difference between tu
Speaker 4: Lane and the NFL, and I think that he should
Speaker 4: probably be a little bit limited in his touches. I
Speaker 4: don't want to see him getting twenty to twenty five
Speaker 4: a game because I think he will break down if
Speaker 4: he gets that. So for both, these guys are both
Speaker 4: very skilled, both explosive backs that will put up huge
Speaker 4: numbers for you in some weeks, but there's other weeks
Speaker 4: where they may go by the wayside. So I just
Speaker 4: want them as RB three's not as RB twos.
Speaker 2: It's not about Spears not having one of his acls.
Speaker 3: Is that anything to do with it?
Speaker 2: No, because he ran not worried about a Jaya Jai
Speaker 2: type career where like one great season and then he's out.
Speaker 4: To my argument Fitzie, but I don't so much care
Speaker 4: about that because he's proven he can do it without
Speaker 4: the ACL, So you know, will he slow down quicker, maybe,
Speaker 4: But I'm not even worried about that, especially if he
Speaker 4: is limited in his touches, because it's less shots that
Speaker 4: he's going to have to take. So I just think
Speaker 4: that you know, both those guys, you already have the
Speaker 4: big back uh next to Jalen, And I think Tennessee,
Speaker 4: especially with the offense built around Derrick Henry, you either
Speaker 4: want to bring Derrick Henry back or you want someone
Speaker 4: like Derrick Henry to come in to not have to
Speaker 4: completely overhaul this already bad offense unless you're just going
Speaker 4: to tank for a couple of years and rebuild it.
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, I'll move Tyj up because
Speaker 4: he'll have two to three good years of a lot
Speaker 4: of touches, right because it probably won't spend on a
Speaker 4: running back. But I think right now the goal should
Speaker 4: be to figure out the quarterback spot, fix the O line,
Speaker 4: and get a big, hulking back in there to take
Speaker 4: most of the case and Tija to be the change
Speaker 4: of pace guy. He can be the full workload guy.
Speaker 4: Maybe they go that way with him, It's just not
Speaker 4: how I would build it. So right now I have
Speaker 4: him as an RB three and to.
Speaker 1: The to the you know, ACL point on spears like,
Speaker 1: let's say you know for a fact that he's only
Speaker 1: going to give you two two and a half good
Speaker 1: years and then is going to break down. For most
Speaker 1: running backs and dynasty, you kind of take that like
Speaker 1: outside of the elite upper echelon, that's really all you
Speaker 1: can ask for is its position changes so much so quickly.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Derek Henry, though fits you are the lowest
Speaker 1: on the staff. On Derrick Henry, I think you're ten
Speaker 1: spots lower than than Boggs. Is where do you think
Speaker 1: Henry ends up? What backfield will he be, you know,
Speaker 1: leading or a part of in a committee next year?
Speaker 1: And how will that impact your ranking on him?
Speaker 2: How about Dallas put him there, let him be the
Speaker 2: early round, the early down thumper, and let Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: go back to the role Tony Pollard had when Ezekiel
Speaker 2: Elliott was the early down thumper in Dallas. I could
Speaker 2: see him in Minnesota. Boy the too often.
Speaker 3: To sell it for Wormley.
Speaker 1: Just say it for Wormley.
Speaker 2: I guess the headline, it's all what the Ravens are.
Speaker 2: We know the Ravens are going to add back somewhere,
Speaker 2: whether it's free agency or the draft, So I could
Speaker 2: I could see Derek Henry there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to Baltimore.
Speaker 4: I hate it any but he's going there like he
Speaker 4: wants to win a ring. He's tired of losing a
Speaker 4: great offensive line, run first team. He won't have to
Speaker 4: have as many carries because Lamar will get some, and
Speaker 4: they'll have Mitchell as a change of base guy. He's
Speaker 4: going to Baltimore and he's gonna score a million touchdowns,
Speaker 4: which is why I can't lower him it is because yes,
Speaker 4: I do think he's slowing down. I don't think we're
Speaker 4: gonna see those explosive run over thirteen guy runs from
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry. But he's still gonna have double digit touchdowns.
Speaker 4: But probably no matter where he.
Speaker 1: Could, he could take all those Gus Edwards short yardy
Speaker 1: touchdowns he saw this year. And also I think have
Speaker 1: a better yards per Carrie just giving the offensive line
Speaker 1: and the threat of Lamar, like you know, opening up
Speaker 1: those holes. I think Henry would absolutely feast in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: So it would be nice if it happens, as long
Speaker 1: as the price is right. But we'll see. I do
Speaker 1: want to ask about some of these rookies that are
Speaker 1: in this tier, particularly Kendrey Miller and Roshan Johnson Bogman.
Speaker 1: What kind of chances do you put on second year
Speaker 1: breakouts from those guys. I know, obviously you have some
Speaker 1: degree of an affinity for Rochean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Roshan is a Texas guy for sure.
Speaker 4: What hurts that is eber flu staying right? And what
Speaker 4: is this offense gonna look like If it's Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 4: then I don't know. Probably no running back is gonna matter. Really,
Speaker 4: It's gonna be justin fields and three whiteouts, right, So
Speaker 4: I Roseean, I feel I can carry the bulk. I
Speaker 4: think he can do the job. He hasn't gotten a
Speaker 4: chance at He didn't get in Texas because Beijon was there,
Speaker 4: didn't really get it last year because he was banged up,
Speaker 4: Herbert was having a good game. They went with hot
Speaker 4: hand there, So I'm a little fearful that they'll do
Speaker 4: that again. But I think as a second year guy,
Speaker 4: he is going to push past Herbert and Foreman and
Speaker 4: probably whoever else they bring in Chicago. So I still
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of upside for Rochan.
Speaker 1: Fits of those two, is Rochan the guy that you
Speaker 1: would agree has the better chance of a second year breakout?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he needs a clear runway as far
Speaker 2: as usage, because I don't think Rochan is going to
Speaker 2: be all that explosive, But like, he is sturdy and
Speaker 2: durable and has a versatile skill set. So I don't
Speaker 2: know how valuable he's going to be in how many
Speaker 2: times you're going to want to put him in your
Speaker 2: starting lineup if he's a committee back, But man, if
Speaker 2: he can, like if he just gets the role mostly
Speaker 2: to himself anywhere. Then Yeah, I think he could be
Speaker 2: really valuable. Like Kendre Miller, we know nothing more about
Speaker 2: than we did when he was coming in as a prospect.
Speaker 2: He is the proverbial new car that has not been
Speaker 2: driven off a lot yet, so he hasn't lost value yet.
Speaker 2: I suppose that's a good thing. We just have no
Speaker 2: idea what he can do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jamal Williams is still there, and Alvin Kamara
Speaker 4: is still there in the worst part, Dennis Allen, He's
Speaker 4: still there.
Speaker 1: So lastly in this tier just quickly fits. You are
Speaker 1: higher on both Singletary and Shuba Hubbard in this year.
Speaker 1: Which of those two guys do you feel more passionate about?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, Like, it's hard to separate those two worm
Speaker 2: because they I've got them both ranked as Dynasty RB three,
Speaker 2: So it's not like I love those guys. But what
Speaker 2: they have in common is that both were perceived to
Speaker 2: be backups to start the twenty twenty three season and
Speaker 2: wind up as lead backs. And part of that is
Speaker 2: because their respective teams were disenchanted with what they were
Speaker 2: getting from the starters Damian Pierce in Houston and Miles
Speaker 2: Sanders in Carolina, and those two teams recognize the value
Speaker 2: of these backups and gave them the chance to play
Speaker 2: a lead role. So I don't think they are going
Speaker 2: to be long term solutions for anyone, and their time
Speaker 2: as lead backs is probably really short. But they're useful.
Speaker 2: They showed how useful they could be, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think they're certainly roster worthy and worth having for
Speaker 2: depth in your running back core. You know, I just
Speaker 2: it's hard to put them much higher than RB three territory.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the f tier here. Final tier will
Speaker 1: be talking about today. From RB thirty nine to RB
Speaker 1: forty nine, we've got AJ Dillon, Chase Brown, Damian Pierce, Tyler, Alger,
Speaker 1: Alexander Madison, Miles Sanders, Antonio Gibson, JK. Dobbins, Tank Bigs, Beat,
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards, and Keaton Mitchell. Again, that's RB thirty nine,
Speaker 1: AJ Dillon through RB forty nine. Keaton Mitchell fits one
Speaker 1: of the guys at the top there. Chase Brown, you
Speaker 1: are the highest on by a mile. I know you've
Speaker 1: been a Chase Brown guy for a while. I remember
Speaker 1: listening to the show last year, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: rookie drafts being intrigued by Chase Brown and what he
Speaker 1: did at Illinois. So you're still, you know, drinking the
Speaker 1: kool aid on him a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's not to like when he got the chance,
Speaker 2: showed explosiveness, showed he was really good in the passing game,
Speaker 2: and there is workhorse upside here because he handled a
Speaker 2: massive load at the University of Illinois, like where he
Speaker 2: was getting thirty carries.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like if the Bengals were to decide they've grown
Speaker 2: tired of Joe Mixon, and yeah, Joe Mixon has been
Speaker 2: good on the field, but sometimes it hasn't always been
Speaker 2: a model citizen off the field. And if the Bengals
Speaker 2: wanted to move on, I mean, I think they could
Speaker 2: definitely give Chase Brown an audition for a workhorse role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems like one of those. Not I'm saying
Speaker 1: that he's as good as or in the same situation
Speaker 1: or even stylistically the same. But it's almost similar to
Speaker 1: Kien Williams, where you have a guy who was a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, like, oh, you know, late day three,
Speaker 1: do we really care about him that much? And then
Speaker 1: if he gets the opportunity ken shoulder a workload like that,
Speaker 1: because we've actually seen Chase Brown do it, you know,
Speaker 1: a similar workload do what we saw Kiroen get this year. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Chase Brown is Kien Williams.
Speaker 3: I like that, though.
Speaker 4: I like you pointing that out, worm, because I think
Speaker 4: that is the correct mindset to have with Chase Brown
Speaker 4: and FITZI ranking him high is kind of signaling to you, guys. Look,
Speaker 4: I like Chase Brown. If he gets the full run
Speaker 4: at this job, I think he can do it. And
Speaker 4: I'm I'm in that boat too. I do think he
Speaker 4: can do it if he gets that job. But Joe
Speaker 4: Mixon already took one pay cut. I think he likes Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: I think they like having him, so I think that
Speaker 4: he may take the pay cut again and just want
Speaker 4: to stick with Cincinnati. And that stinks for Chase Brown.
Speaker 4: So I'm hoping that I'm wrong and they cut mix
Speaker 4: in and we get to see Chase Brown unleash here.
Speaker 3: But I don't think I'm going to be I think
Speaker 3: they're going to stick with Mixon.
Speaker 1: It will surprise nobody to hear that. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the Ravens backfield in this tier three out
Speaker 1: of a four player stretch. JK. Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Keaton
Speaker 1: Mitchell are RB forty six, RB forty eight, and RB
Speaker 1: forty nine. Fitz, you are the lowest among the staff
Speaker 1: on Keaton Mitchell at Bogman, you are the highest on JK. Dobbins,
Speaker 1: and I think that's representative of this backfield could go
Speaker 1: a number of different directions. I think Fits is right
Speaker 1: when he alluded to they will almost certainly add somebody.
Speaker 1: This is a team that loves. That's sort of like
Speaker 1: Justice Hill fourth round draft pick, like using one of
Speaker 1: those compicks. They always have to add a fresh you know,
Speaker 1: running back. Keaton Mitchell looks amazing before he got hurt. JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins has been amazing the rare times he's been healthy.
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards obviously is a great fit in the offense,
Speaker 1: has been around forever, scores a ton of touchdowns like Bagman.
Speaker 1: How do we make sense of this backfield for dynasty purposes?
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about Javonte being a tough guid
Speaker 4: To rank. This backfield is tough to rank because I mean,
Speaker 4: how long is Keithon Mitchell going to be out right
Speaker 4: with the knee injury. We have no idea, so we
Speaker 4: know he's going to be back with the Ravens, but
Speaker 4: everybody else is a free agent.
Speaker 3: JK.
Speaker 4: Dobbins is a free agent, Gus Edwards a free agent.
Speaker 4: You know, Derrick Henry all the rumors of him wanting
Speaker 4: to go and potentially taking a pay cut to go
Speaker 4: to Baltimore as a free agent. So I don't know
Speaker 4: how this is going to work out. The only reason
Speaker 4: I have Dobbins, you know, as high as I do,
Speaker 4: is because he should be fully removed, ready to go
Speaker 4: this season. I don't know where he's gonna play, but
Speaker 4: I would also like to see him maybe a little
Speaker 4: bit limited in his touches to make him last longer,
Speaker 4: because we know he can't carry a full workload. He
Speaker 4: hasn't stayed healthy, so he's also a little one dimensional.
Speaker 4: I understand that, but I do think he can be
Speaker 4: the main back for a team still and carry the
Speaker 4: ball fifteen times for them. So I still believe in
Speaker 4: Dobbins a little bit. But that is a guy that
Speaker 4: I will fully admit could plummet if he takes longer
Speaker 4: to get back, if he remains unsigned, if the NFL
Speaker 4: shows signs that they're just out on Dobbins. I will
Speaker 4: also be out on Dobbins, but I think if he's
Speaker 4: healthy and signed somewhere, he'll be fine. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's just not really a good way to solve this
Speaker 4: Ravens backfield because we know, no matter who comes in
Speaker 4: or or comes back, Lamar is the main guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: if you promised me like guaranteed health for Dobbins, he'd
Speaker 4: be twenty spots higher at least. I'm still a huge
Speaker 4: believer in what he can be. There's just no hospit
Speaker 4: way you could trust that. The other name is Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 4: who is you know, gonna be twenty nine years old
Speaker 4: at the start of next season. We don't know how
Speaker 4: he's gonna look in this hot nine going. Yes, he's
Speaker 4: he's not good.
Speaker 1: I'm not like suggesting you've got in trade for Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: but just another name that they like, reliable veterans. If
Speaker 1: he looks good during this playoff run that they hopefully
Speaker 1: go on, then that could just be another factor if
Speaker 1: they think they could bring him back cheaply fit fits.
Speaker 1: You are lowest on Keaton Mitchell, and I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about sort of the backfield in general, but
Speaker 1: also just the fit of getting a super speedy guy
Speaker 1: in this backfield worked so well. Mitchell was obviously the
Speaker 1: fastest running back we've seen in the backfield with Lamar
Speaker 1: and that was awesome to watch.
Speaker 2: Baltimore is Chernobyl for running backs and all these guys
Speaker 2: are radioactive, and you guys are out here with has
Speaker 2: Matt suits and Geiger counters and I just want to
Speaker 2: be on a different continents away from all these guys
Speaker 2: like JK Dobbins two major injuries, like I'm I'm done
Speaker 2: after two, Like I don't think we're ever seeing the JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins from Ohio State come back. And explosiveness was Keithon
Speaker 2: Mitchell's calling card. But what happens after the major injury?
Speaker 2: And like we know he's never gonna be a guy
Speaker 2: who carries a heavy load because of how small he is.
Speaker 2: He's he's like, you know, h chin light, So he
Speaker 2: just is never gonna be a twenty touch guy. He
Speaker 2: needs that explosiveness and will he still have it? Gus
Speaker 2: Edwards doesn't Kayach passes, I mean Dalvin Cook like, no thanks,
Speaker 2: I just don't even want him on my roster. So
Speaker 2: you know, you guys can you guys can stay out
Speaker 2: here in radioactive land. I'm gonna be somewhere else.
Speaker 3: We feel like the did you guys see the Chernobyl show?
Speaker 3: I just didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand what you're talking about here, Fitz.
Speaker 2: You guys are the guys throwing the concrete slabs off
Speaker 2: the road? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, bear ass right?
Speaker 4: Like what are those guys doing it naked because of
Speaker 4: the heat or whatever?
Speaker 1: Do Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I understand what you're talking about, but I
Speaker 4: just look at the other backs, Like, who am I
Speaker 4: putting Dobbins over? That's so egregious? Khalil Herbert, maybe Chewba Hubbard.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna buy into Chewba Hubbard. I understand you
Speaker 4: not wanting him because of the knee injuries and you're
Speaker 4: not believing in him and being back, but I want
Speaker 4: to I want to see how the NFL responds if
Speaker 4: he's a free agent forever and nobody signs him and
Speaker 4: he's not really making progress and all that stuff. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'll lower him a decent amount below kind of these
Speaker 4: beback type of guys that can still do the job,
Speaker 4: you know, the Devin singletaries and stuff like that, But
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Ravens go, Hey, Derek Henry
Speaker 4: wants too much money. We can bring Dobbins back for
Speaker 4: cheap and he can be our guy for as long
Speaker 4: as he's gonna go, and then we'll piece together like
Speaker 4: we did this year with Gus Edwards and a bunch
Speaker 4: of free agents. Then I'm gonna be back in on Dobbins,
Speaker 4: so I will wait and see how the NFL responds
Speaker 4: to him. Look, I think your point about Mitchell and
Speaker 4: his speed is more than fair, so that there's definitely
Speaker 4: but he's also very young still, you know, first big,
Speaker 4: and let's just let's give him a chance to come
Speaker 4: back and see what he looks like. I need to
Speaker 4: make a quick point so I don't actually get fired
Speaker 4: from the show. I am not recommending anybody roster Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's another name that could be thrown
Speaker 4: like just kind of muddy the waters a bit for
Speaker 4: the running backs we actually would care about. I have
Speaker 4: in no way saying, oh, he's a Raven, might I
Speaker 4: have to recommend him? Please do not, you know, assume
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Before I got.
Speaker 4: Off delete this email now warmly, so you can say shown.
Speaker 1: Before we get off this tier, Bogman, any other guys
Speaker 1: he didn't mention that you just want to hit on
Speaker 1: whether in this tier I know you know at the
Speaker 1: top of the next tier is ty Chandler. That's a
Speaker 1: guy you're highest on. Anybody that we didn't hit on
Speaker 1: that you want to just briefly touch on.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Fitz and I are both probably
Speaker 4: really interested to see where Antonio Gibson ends up because
Speaker 4: he was not properly utilized in Washington at all. So
Speaker 4: he's a little longer in the tooth now. I know
Speaker 4: he's not trustworthy to a lot of people, but he's
Speaker 4: a guy that could be a throw in or maybe
Speaker 4: an ad off the if he ends up in a
Speaker 4: good spot and put him in Carolina fits. You know,
Speaker 4: I think he's better than Chewbo, right, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's got size, he's got speed, he's
Speaker 2: got pass catching ability. It's just that you know, he's
Speaker 2: the fumbling thing has haunted him, and Ron Rivera was
Speaker 2: always really quick to throw Antonio Gibson in fumble jail.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's interesting. Damian Pierce too, like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be the truther on Damian Pierce who goes down with
Speaker 2: the ship. Maybe he's just not that good, but like
Speaker 2: there have been flashes that guy runs hard, and like
Speaker 2: early in the season in twenty twenty three when he
Speaker 2: was the lead guy, that offensive line was so ravaged
Speaker 2: by injuries, Like, I don't think anyone could have succeeded there,
Speaker 2: So I kind of want to see him get them
Speaker 2: all again after a disappointing twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: I'll mention two other guys here just kind of bey
Speaker 4: on this tier. I want a Handcuff Hall with the
Speaker 4: Banakanda because I do think there's upside with him. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's gonna be on the field lot because
Speaker 4: you can't take bris All off right, kind of like
Speaker 4: Eli Mitchell with San Francisco and Christian McCaffrey, Like they're
Speaker 4: never taking CMC off the field, but if he gets hurt,
Speaker 4: you want Mitchell because he's a good back and they
Speaker 4: would give him the workload. I also kind of feel
Speaker 4: that way about Michael Carter if he sticks with Arizona.
Speaker 4: If he sticks with Arizona and is backing up James Connor,
Speaker 4: you know James Connor got through the year fairly healthy.
Speaker 4: It's not really a James Connor trait. So I would
Speaker 4: like to just be handcuffing those guys a little more
Speaker 4: than maybe some of the guys, because those backs behind
Speaker 4: them have decent skill. And I love ty Chandler, but
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell hates running the football and giving the football
Speaker 4: to running backs that don't fumble.
Speaker 3: He loved.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe that's where Antonio Gibson should go. You
Speaker 4: know how many retreads did Alexander Madison get after fumbling
Speaker 4: this year? Maybe that's where Gibson should go. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I do like ty Chandler's skill, and I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, there's other positions in Minnesota is gonna need
Speaker 4: so running back is going to be fairly low on
Speaker 4: their totem pole in terms of you know, needs and
Speaker 4: the offseason. So I think ty Chandler could get another shot.
Speaker 1: I promise some rookie talk here at the end of
Speaker 1: the show. And it's a really interesting class. Last year
Speaker 1: we had very obviously Bejeon Robinson and Jamier Gibbs at
Speaker 1: the top of the class. This year, that guy doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: If you look at early superflex rookie mock drafts. It's
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks, wide receivers, Rock Bauers. It's late in the first,
Speaker 1: maybe even early into the second that you're looking at
Speaker 1: the first running back. So I want to ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: who is RB one in this class? Obviously we had
Speaker 1: some guys not come out of college that we may
Speaker 1: be expected to at the beginning of the season. Is it?
Speaker 1: You know, there's the Badger Braylan Allen, There's Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 1: So a couple of guys, you guys are interested in,
Speaker 1: who is RB one?
Speaker 3: Bogman.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if Jonathan Brooks was healthy, it would
Speaker 4: be JB to me, no question in this group. Now,
Speaker 4: Treveon Henderson, we wanted to come out, went back with
Speaker 4: in a weird situation at Ohio State to split running
Speaker 4: back carries now with Quinnchawn Jenkins, who's moving over there
Speaker 4: from Old Miss. It's going to be weird. Both very good,
Speaker 4: but Chuckkins is better. So I just thought that was
Speaker 4: a weird move for Traveon Henderson to go back, but
Speaker 4: he wants to win a Natty at Ohio State, so
Speaker 4: I get it. And then Rockett Sanders, I thought was
Speaker 4: going to be a big back to in this class
Speaker 4: who ended up going back to college. So, like you said, worm,
Speaker 4: that kind of put the brakes on the excitement for
Speaker 4: me for this class and digging in, I have like
Speaker 4: these guys a little worse.
Speaker 3: I gotta say.
Speaker 4: I think Blake Korham is going to be the first
Speaker 4: running back off the board. He's very good running back
Speaker 4: from Michigan. You guys saw him in the Natty. He
Speaker 4: wasn't the guy making those big explosive runs. That was
Speaker 4: Donovan Edwards, but he was your grinded out guy. He's
Speaker 4: a small back that is probably a little misused at Michigan.
Speaker 4: He can run inside, his vision is good, but I
Speaker 4: want him in space. I want him to kick it outside.
Speaker 4: I think, you know a lot like Tony Poller. I
Speaker 4: think he would be much better if he gave him
Speaker 4: the ball in space because he has all the moves.
Speaker 4: But he is a tough runner, grinder, like I said,
Speaker 4: a little bit undersize, which is concerning, but he's probably
Speaker 4: the top guy to me.
Speaker 3: After that.
Speaker 4: I like Bucky Irving out of Oregon kind of another
Speaker 4: guy that is going to work better in space now.
Speaker 4: He had some good inside runs because the Oregon center
Speaker 4: Powers Johnson is going to be the first center off
Speaker 4: the board, A real road grader. He made open spots
Speaker 4: for Bucky, but the more I watch a Bucky, the
Speaker 4: more I like him. My buddy c K, who I
Speaker 4: do an NFL draft show with over in this league,
Speaker 4: mentioned James White, and I can't get it out of
Speaker 4: my head. He looks a lot like James White. He's
Speaker 4: going to be a big pass catcher. I feel like
Speaker 4: moving on below those guys, you know, like I said
Speaker 4: Jay Jonathan Brooks towards ACL in November, so he decided
Speaker 4: to declare to rehab, you know, with whoever drafts him.
Speaker 4: But he's gonna be a fifth or sixth round guy.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a grab and sash, but I
Speaker 4: mean power back. He is a complete back. And he
Speaker 4: didn't get a lot of love because Bijon was there
Speaker 4: and Roshan was there the year before, so we really
Speaker 4: didn't know what we were getting out of him. This year,
Speaker 4: he was unbelievably impressive. Trey Benson from Florida State is
Speaker 4: super explosive. Here's the thing though, and a lot of
Speaker 4: people are gonna like him more than me. He runs
Speaker 4: upright and he gets tackled too easy for me, so
Speaker 4: like to me, I really like him, and he gets
Speaker 4: a burst, but all I can see is Ronald Jones.
Speaker 4: If you guys remember Ronald Jones, who I was big
Speaker 4: on coming out of USC. It reminded me a little
Speaker 4: bit about of Robert Smith, the old Minnesota Vikings running back.
Speaker 4: But it's like every time someone gets a hand on him,
Speaker 4: he goes down. I'm kind of seeing a little bit
Speaker 4: of that with Trey Benson. And the last guy I
Speaker 4: really want to bring up here is Fitzi's guy who
Speaker 4: I am gonna be a little bit lower on in
Speaker 4: Braylan Allen, huge hulking back, but I mean I just
Speaker 4: see aj Dillon two point zero man, Like, he's just
Speaker 4: not There's not enough burst there for him to do
Speaker 4: it at the NFL level, I don't think. Maybe he
Speaker 4: surprises me at the combine and runs an impress of
Speaker 4: forty and maybe I'll be a little bit more in
Speaker 4: but he just really lacks that explosion at some of
Speaker 4: those other Wisconsin backs to So there's other guys in
Speaker 4: here that we will hit on more as we, you know,
Speaker 4: get deeper in the process. Will Shipley out of Clemson,
Speaker 4: Marshall Lloyd out of USC. There's a lot of love
Speaker 4: for Ray Davis out of Kentucky's a great story. So
Speaker 4: there are there's some depth to this class, but there's
Speaker 4: nothing at the top end. And these seem like more
Speaker 4: role players than we do have, like you know, guys
Speaker 4: that are going to come in and carry the ball
Speaker 4: twenty times for their team fits.
Speaker 1: I do want your opinion on Braylan Allan as a
Speaker 1: guy who watched him closer than anybody. As we say,
Speaker 1: this will not be the case on Draft David. As
Speaker 1: we stand here right now recording, he is a teenager.
Speaker 1: He is still only nineteen years old. He will be
Speaker 1: twenty on draft day. He had such an early start
Speaker 1: through his career Wisconsin. He is I think kind of
Speaker 1: fun to what. I really like Braylan Allen, So I
Speaker 1: think I'm definitely hired him than Bogman. And as anybody
Speaker 1: listening will hear me say a lot going forward, if
Speaker 1: I disagree with Bogman, you should probably side with him.
Speaker 1: But I do like I do like Braylan Allen, and
Speaker 1: if he's like you know, a third or fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: like two again, like the Ravens for example, a team
Speaker 1: with an obvious spots of phil That is a good
Speaker 1: running situation. I'm gonna be really excited about a guy
Speaker 1: like that. But Fitz, obviously you know Braylon Allen better
Speaker 1: than anybody. What do you think about him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're gonna be Jonathan Taylor Comps. I
Speaker 2: don't think those are fair because I Taylor's just a
Speaker 2: much better runner and always has been, and I like
Speaker 2: there might even be Derek Henry Comps. And the thing is,
Speaker 2: Braylan Allen is going gonna go into the combine and bogs.
Speaker 2: Like you might be under selling his explosion a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to run a really good forty
Speaker 2: time and get people super excited. They're gonna look at
Speaker 2: the age, the fact that this guy weighs like two
Speaker 2: hundred and forty pounds and can move, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: really catch passes, or at least not officially, like he's
Speaker 2: kind of a zero in the passing game. And Dynasty
Speaker 2: leagues are PPR leagues after all for the most part,
Speaker 2: and he gets dinged a lot for a bigger back
Speaker 2: like he is constantly coming off the field. So I
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be kind of an issue because we
Speaker 2: never had that issue with Jonathan Taylor Wisconsin. We certainly
Speaker 2: didn't have it with Derrick Henry. So yeah, like he's
Speaker 2: not going to be my top guy. I think my
Speaker 2: top guy is probably going to be Blake Korum. But
Speaker 2: we are going to see a lot of shuffling and
Speaker 2: different dynasty champion this year. Yeah. People are going to
Speaker 2: be championing ning different people throughout the process. And I'll
Speaker 2: give you our friend, Dave Heilman, Friend of the Show,
Speaker 2: is organized the first rookie mock that I'm taking part
Speaker 2: in right now. We're sixteen picks in, no running backs
Speaker 2: taken yet. It's a super flex mock. We have not
Speaker 2: seen the first one come off the board yet, So
Speaker 2: I think that's the kind of draft it's going to be.
Speaker 2: I doubt we see one go in the first round
Speaker 2: of most super flex.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you one thing here fits uh Braylan
Speaker 4: Allen or Roshan.
Speaker 2: At this point, Rochan, I think that.
Speaker 4: That's what That's what I think too, So that's kind
Speaker 4: of where I have Braylan Allen kind of in that range.
Speaker 4: I think both similar type of backs, big hulking backs.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think Roshan is maybe a
Speaker 4: little more explosive, maybe Braylan Allen is, but kind of
Speaker 4: the same deal. You know, zero in the past game
Speaker 4: good pass blockers because of their size both you know,
Speaker 4: obviously Allen has the years though so.
Speaker 1: Well well to your point, also, the combine is gonna
Speaker 1: be really important, so is landing spot that's gonna really determine.
Speaker 3: And interviews, you know, like there's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be and what round they actually get drafted in.
Speaker 1: If if if a couple of guys are Day two
Speaker 1: picks as opposed to fourth routers, they're probably gonna move.
Speaker 4: I think Braylon ow is so much different if he
Speaker 4: goes to Tennessee versus if he goes to Baltimore because
Speaker 4: of the old line very much.
Speaker 3: So good point where yeah, right, and uh.
Speaker 1: We'll get out of there on that. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for letting me join in here for a fun conversation.
Speaker 1: I look forward to many more of these shows. I
Speaker 1: look forward to learning a lot on these shows and
Speaker 1: kind of helping me out. Fits and I are in
Speaker 1: a work dynasty league together, so hopefully I can pick
Speaker 1: his marine and then take advantage of him in that league.
Speaker 1: As we move forward here, before Bogman and Fits, I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley. Everybody. Thank you for tuning in and we'll
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