Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast can still play the guitar?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we can.
Speaker 2: Sixteen hundred episodes in eleven years in We're like Slash
Speaker 2: coming out of the Church in the November Rain video.
Speaker 3: I am forty three from the Chris Wesley podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: Dan hands us here with Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler and
Speaker 2: you heard it. I've been teasing this really since the
Speaker 2: Use Your Illusions double album Colleen would be on the
Speaker 2: show again, and she has yes returned fresh from Detroit.
Speaker 4: You guys, I missed you. There were a couple of
Speaker 4: people on Twitter that were like, Dan really needs you
Speaker 4: to return this week.
Speaker 5: So it's true.
Speaker 1: I needed you, I missed you, we all missed you,
Speaker 1: and now.
Speaker 5: Not being around, I miss you, guys.
Speaker 4: I feel like my energy, my orbit, all of it
Speaker 4: is off when I'm not with you, guys. I don't
Speaker 4: see you at least once a week week, So now
Speaker 4: all is right.
Speaker 6: It becomes clear on Tuesdays that Mark and I are
Speaker 6: not enough. We are not enough.
Speaker 3: That is nice.
Speaker 6: And there was a moment and I know he really
Speaker 6: meant it because it was off air too, where he
Speaker 6: just like this this show just needs a shot at Colleen,
Speaker 6: A just really needs some Colleen.
Speaker 5: I got shots. Let's go.
Speaker 3: You were in Detroit, yeah, speaking of shots, and because.
Speaker 2: I remember being down of the field after the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl when the Eagles won, and we'll get maybe get
Speaker 2: to the Eagles later. Well however, and seeing like Connie
Speaker 2: at like the thirty yard line and bumping into it.
Speaker 1: You were in tears. Cut to five years later, tears
Speaker 1: of joy.
Speaker 2: Right, you're watching the game with diehard Lions fan Cynthia
Speaker 2: Freeland and Michigan native.
Speaker 3: That must have been nice.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Cynthia is truly such a Lions fan, so it was
Speaker 4: so much fun to be there with her because there
Speaker 4: were so many of her friends and family that were
Speaker 4: coming through the bar that we were doing live shots from.
Speaker 4: But then we made it in the stadium just in time,
Speaker 4: right before they started the game, for like the end
Speaker 4: of the pregame ceremony, and you guys were watching like
Speaker 4: the whole stadium the way they had the wristbands and
Speaker 4: it was lighting up. But it was just really cool.
Speaker 4: And I looked over at Cynthia and she was just crying,
Speaker 4: like and this was before the game kicked off. She
Speaker 4: was already crying.
Speaker 7: You have a like a knack for being president at
Speaker 7: these ground swell fan events that like Flores, I know,
Speaker 7: they hire you to bring you there, right, the Jets, Cleveland,
Speaker 7: other teams, Oh my gosh, critical mass moments.
Speaker 4: It was I just I really miss traveling for these games.
Speaker 4: So it's been really fun because the only two games
Speaker 4: that I've been to this year have been Lions games,
Speaker 4: and I had never been to a Lions game before.
Speaker 4: I had never been to Detroit before this year, and
Speaker 4: in the span of like five weeks, I've been to
Speaker 4: two games at this point.
Speaker 5: And the fans that I talked to in.
Speaker 4: The bar beforehand, they were so funny because they were like,
Speaker 4: we've just like never been here before. Literally, we don't
Speaker 4: know how to act, we don't know what to do,
Speaker 4: and so they would just randomly start yelling like playoffs.
Speaker 4: Like it was almost like a ter Brett's type of
Speaker 4: reaction in the most endearing possible way. And I met
Speaker 4: this dad who he was like, I didn't even know
Speaker 4: I was coming to the game, and my daughter surprised
Speaker 4: me with tickets when I got off the plane last night.
Speaker 4: They're right at the fifty yard line, and so I
Speaker 4: was talking to them, and right before we left, the
Speaker 4: dad came over and he's like, you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: want to mention this beforehand, but my wife passed away
Speaker 4: eight years ago. She was such a big Lions fan,
Speaker 4: and we're here to honor her, and it was just
Speaker 4: so special for you to like have us on the
Speaker 4: show and blah blah blah. So then I started crying.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of crying going on in Detroit.
Speaker 4: It was so nice.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 6: I need to get Dan Campbell crying really to feed
Speaker 6: my soul, I think.
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell, I will I will keep this to thirty seconds.
Speaker 7: But I woke up in the middle of the night
Speaker 7: from a like an insane dream where I could tell
Speaker 7: something like crazy it happened. And then I started, you know,
Speaker 7: you start to remember it. And I had been in
Speaker 7: my childhood house with a bunch of male like like
Speaker 7: bro friends. I didn't know any of them in real life,
Speaker 7: but then my neighbors down the hill, this is like
Speaker 7: my real childhood house. Dan Campbell was a teacher teaching
Speaker 7: people right Lions and wrote came up the hill and
Speaker 7: gave me an assignment to do a book report on
Speaker 7: the Detroit Lions, and then the dream ended.
Speaker 2: I love dream I love dream stories.
Speaker 3: Dream stories are the worst.
Speaker 7: But it was football related and it left me another
Speaker 7: hour and a half trying to figure out what was happening.
Speaker 5: I love that Dan is visiting you in your dreams.
Speaker 3: He was large too.
Speaker 7: It was like the real sized person, the real size
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell Mark.
Speaker 1: How are you, buddy?
Speaker 3: Are you ready for a big W at your next
Speaker 3: watch party? Well?
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought about that, but I do want
Speaker 1: a W. You got any.
Speaker 7: Tips, whether you're cheering on your favorite team or hosting
Speaker 7: a movie night? Does yourno knows planning a winning watch
Speaker 7: party on a budget isn't easy.
Speaker 1: I will thank you for that advice.
Speaker 2: Man, I get the anxiety, you know, and I know
Speaker 2: my cess dog he loves hosting hangs with all his
Speaker 2: work friends.
Speaker 3: Everything needs to be just right.
Speaker 7: You need the perfect setting, the perfect squad, the perfect eats,
Speaker 7: and the perfect plan to keep everyone pumped all night long.
Speaker 2: That's what you always say, man, perfect eats, perfect squad.
Speaker 2: That's your whole thing, keeping everybody pumped up.
Speaker 3: I like to just wing it at parties, you know, No,
Speaker 3: you need to draw up the perfect plan.
Speaker 7: Luckily, you're a game time mastermind, and you know the
Speaker 7: grabbing Adjorno Classic crust pizza is one call that brings
Speaker 7: home a w with half a pound of cheese, sauce
Speaker 7: and other toppings at an incredible price.
Speaker 3: It's your game day MVP most Valuable Pizza.
Speaker 2: Thank you for all the sports metaphors. It helps a
Speaker 2: regular guy like me. So I guess I'll just make
Speaker 2: the call and have it sent to the house. It's
Speaker 2: not delivery, it's djorna.
Speaker 1: A yes, well, thanks Mario.
Speaker 3: It's a good info.
Speaker 7: I now understand the text that I read during that
Speaker 7: as opposed to before I suddenly have a gun to
Speaker 7: my head.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny putting together a masterful bit like that
Speaker 2: and send that straight to the web.
Speaker 3: Uh A rifle time.
Speaker 2: As I'm listening to it over and over again, I'm
Speaker 2: like this, this isn't angry read this man is angry
Speaker 2: as he's reading it. And maybe that's why people are
Speaker 2: really connecting with it, because it's so unusual for someone
Speaker 2: to read an ad about pizza, like from a grocery
Speaker 2: store and be furious as they do it.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's why the journal has not gotten
Speaker 3: back to me. As I thought.
Speaker 7: They'm like, I'd never actually heard it. I think one
Speaker 7: mistake we make is because we wrapped the show and
Speaker 7: like we've got our coats on and like my cars
Speaker 7: started out in the parking lot, it is now we
Speaker 7: need you to read an ad, and so I'm like,
Speaker 7: knock it out, baby, it's like Thursday after. I think,
Speaker 7: if we just do it, maybe before the show, you're
Speaker 7: gonna be a part.
Speaker 3: Of you doing that show.
Speaker 2: You need me, that's fine, and you're gonna get I'll
Speaker 2: be pleasant and everything.
Speaker 7: But I've learned actually because I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 7: want to sound like that on the next ad spot that.
Speaker 5: I have pizza. You didn't have the journo before you
Speaker 5: had the reads.
Speaker 3: I always need to They got.
Speaker 6: More pop in and they just got a whole five
Speaker 6: minute bit on the show for free that that that
Speaker 6: this was not like a live read.
Speaker 3: Are you ready for a big w at your next
Speaker 3: watch party?
Speaker 7: I would say this, I don't know who we're reading
Speaker 7: these ads for, but we don't see the product or
Speaker 7: payment for it, so we just simply we do it
Speaker 7: out of the kindness of our hearts. I know Greg
Speaker 7: is looking at Dan like don't say that. Don't not talk.
Speaker 7: You know, I get it, but like we've never I've
Speaker 7: not received any dijournal pizza.
Speaker 1: Let you cook. I'm done. All right, let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: do some news night.
Speaker 3: There are seventy thousand plus who are screaming against him.
Speaker 8: Well, that's how many fans I play in front of
Speaker 8: normally at my house.
Speaker 1: Pretend like they're all there, but there's zero. But right now.
Speaker 2: Tony Romo, ladies and gentlemen didn't know what word was
Speaker 2: coming next as they were tumbling from his mouth.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you just start talking and you figure out where
Speaker 4: the journey's going to.
Speaker 5: I don't know who does.
Speaker 2: That, but like how many people watch that game? In
Speaker 2: Romo's defense, I guess we've all been there. But when
Speaker 2: you're doing that, in addition to the panic of weight,
Speaker 2: one am I saying?
Speaker 3: How do I land this?
Speaker 2: Knowing that there's what like fifty million people? What problematic is.
Speaker 4: It's difficult landing the plane when there's a lot of
Speaker 4: turbulence like that, It's really rough.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the news.
Speaker 2: The Titans have a new head coach. They plan to
Speaker 2: hire Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. The pel Rays reported
Speaker 2: on Monday night. He had a second interview with the
Speaker 2: team on Monday.
Speaker 3: Then he's staying.
Speaker 2: He had interview scheduled with the Falcons and Panthers for
Speaker 2: their vacant head coaching gigs, but they decide, or he decides,
Speaker 2: I don't need to go anywhere else.
Speaker 1: I like this spot.
Speaker 2: So Callahan mark who had success in Cincinnati, and I
Speaker 2: think it probably helped him the way the season went
Speaker 2: on after they lost Burrow, that they remained competitive on offense.
Speaker 2: He ends up getting a gig, and that's what happens
Speaker 2: with successful organizations, they lose their coordinators.
Speaker 7: Well, we're obviously like getting deeper and deeper to the
Speaker 7: trend of just younger coaches being made head coaches.
Speaker 3: He's thirty nine.
Speaker 7: He has already worked with Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7: Obviously you can throw Derek Carran there if you want.
Speaker 7: But he's like a he's a lifer, Like he's the
Speaker 7: son of Bill Callahan. It's like he's been around head
Speaker 7: coaching and around the NFL since like his earliest days.
Speaker 7: And so I think he's a little bit anonymous just
Speaker 7: because he's not the guy who was the obvious play caller.
Speaker 7: He wasn't in Cincinnati, but he's been around football forever.
Speaker 7: And I mean I kind of was like tracking some
Speaker 7: Titan fins reaction to this, and they're fired up because
Speaker 7: I think, like the Mike Rabel experience for some kind
Speaker 7: of hit its wall and you have this defensive coach
Speaker 7: who does things his own way, and it feels a
Speaker 7: little bit like an attempt to modernize the Titans, bring
Speaker 7: them up to speed with other teams that are offensive based.
Speaker 7: Good good news for Will Levis. They've got the second
Speaker 7: most cap space in the NFL. But I do wonder like,
Speaker 7: does this mean like Bill Callahan comes over to Tennessee
Speaker 7: too and recreates that offensive line to.
Speaker 3: Work with it.
Speaker 6: That alone would make him worth it. Brian Callahan. If
Speaker 6: you could bring his dad, Bill Callahan, the best offensive
Speaker 6: line coach in the entire NFL. He's with the Browns.
Speaker 2: He so you could fire him and show him that, Dad,
Speaker 2: you're not under my thumb anymore. Great power play, familial.
Speaker 6: That would be amazing. I don't reaction too. What why
Speaker 6: would the I guess, why would the Browns let Bill
Speaker 6: Callahan do that unless they just wanted to be nice
Speaker 6: and let him work with.
Speaker 3: Or you could you could make him like, you know, assistant,
Speaker 3: but they.
Speaker 6: Did that even last year. I think they gave him
Speaker 6: a big raise. I would guess he's, you know, if
Speaker 6: not the highest paid offensive line coach in the league.
Speaker 6: Close people love Brian Callahan. I'm sort of over even
Speaker 6: guessing which of these coaches are going to be good
Speaker 6: or not when they get hired, because it's just the
Speaker 6: most impossible thing to predict. You made a good point
Speaker 6: that he hasn't been a play caller, so we don't
Speaker 6: know his profile too much, but we do know, like
Speaker 6: there there are only so many of these McVeigh tree
Speaker 6: guys every year, and like everyone wants one now, Like
Speaker 6: Zach Robinson is a guy who's getting interviews all over
Speaker 6: the place for coordinator jobs to bump up a level.
Speaker 6: Bobby Slowick might get one of these head coaching There's
Speaker 6: like only a couple of them out there, and they
Speaker 6: all eventually get hired at some point. I feel like,
Speaker 6: won't this have diminishing returns? But to be fair, it
Speaker 6: really hasn't yet. They're almost all hitting. It is an offense.
Speaker 6: It's working. I think the their number one objective of
Speaker 6: the Titans was to find a coach to work with
Speaker 6: Will Levis. They it really struck me, the owner Amy
Speaker 6: Strunk saying when they asked her, what's there to be
Speaker 6: positive about about this Titans team, and she like went with, oh,
Speaker 6: we have a quarterback to build around. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: that's that's how they're kind of viewing Will Levis, Like,
Speaker 6: I get it, he's a first round pick, but that's there.
Speaker 6: They're really looking at him as the guy, and Callahan's
Speaker 6: going to be the guy to make him better.
Speaker 4: And for Levis it's going to be his fourth offense
Speaker 4: in four different seasons. But Callahan's offense it's going to
Speaker 4: have obviously some similar concepts as Zach Taylor in Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: and Taylor worked with Levis's former offensive coordinator from Kentucky,
Speaker 4: Liam Cohne for a season with the Rams, so there
Speaker 4: might be some overlap there. But the Titans always had
Speaker 4: eyes for Callahan. This was like the first candidate that
Speaker 4: they requested. It was the first one that they met
Speaker 4: with virtually, it was the first person that they had
Speaker 4: in person in the building. And I think it's positive
Speaker 4: that Callahan has a track record of getting good production
Speaker 4: out of an offense with a shaky offensive line like
Speaker 4: he did in Cincinnati, because that's exactly the issues that
Speaker 4: are in Tennessee with that offensive line there.
Speaker 5: So bringing him in to try and develop will levis.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Titans have never had offensive continuity under
Speaker 4: Mike Rabel. Was four different offensive coordinators during that time,
Speaker 4: so I'm wondering if not only will he bring over
Speaker 4: his ad from Cleveland, but also will they end up
Speaker 4: hiring Alex van Pelt, the offensive coordinator who was let
Speaker 4: go by Kevin Stefanski at the end of the season.
Speaker 4: Because Van Pelt previously worked in Cincinnati as the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: coach for two seasons. I went down such a rabbit hole.
Speaker 4: I spent way too much time on this one.
Speaker 3: That's why we missed you.
Speaker 4: He worked directly with Callahan, so they're probably gonna share
Speaker 4: some similar concepts. I came up with a little list
Speaker 4: of potential offensive coordinators that he could hire, including now
Speaker 4: you're scaring me, Liam Cohen, who is the offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: at Kentucky. So then maybe they end up keeping their
Speaker 4: quarterbacks coach who is in place now in Tennessee.
Speaker 6: Like that seemed to get blamed quite a bit for
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty two rams ze.
Speaker 5: Fair, that's fair. Was it his fault? Who knows. We'll
Speaker 5: find out.
Speaker 4: Also Studsville, Eric Studsville.
Speaker 6: I like Studsville former interim head coach of the Denver Bronco.
Speaker 1: Let's not objectify the coaches.
Speaker 4: Conny Well Studsville, Studsville. The co O sees he was
Speaker 4: he was the p offensive coordinator and keeping keep going okay,
Speaker 4: So he's survived multiple coaching regimes in Miami. He's been
Speaker 4: the running backs coach, go on game coordinator, the PO
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, and Callahan and Studsville spent six seasons together
Speaker 4: with the Broncos. So there's also that connection there. You
Speaker 4: mentioned Derek Carr by the way, how he's you could
Speaker 4: just like throw him in, but you might remember that
Speaker 4: he helped Derek Carr reach his first four thousand yard
Speaker 4: passing season.
Speaker 1: So that wow, that Tony.
Speaker 2: You can leave now because that's an incredible amount of
Speaker 2: heavy lifting.
Speaker 5: I have nothing else to offer you guys.
Speaker 3: Right out of time on the rest, we got to
Speaker 3: move on.
Speaker 2: But I just I will just throw out there. It's
Speaker 2: not a Desmond Riitter situation. But you know they have
Speaker 2: the seventh overall pick. We're definitely all in on will Evis.
Speaker 2: We're just all in.
Speaker 3: I don't think you should be. I think you should.
Speaker 1: I know he had some pretty nice moments, but just see.
Speaker 3: What falls to at seven, because you know you can
Speaker 3: do a lot.
Speaker 2: Which is tricky obviously, because if you you take a
Speaker 2: quarterback he was the thirty third overall pick last year.
Speaker 2: If you take another quarterback, you're not only kind of
Speaker 2: punting on that, you're also passing up a chance to
Speaker 2: add a major piece around him on the offensive line
Speaker 2: or as a playmaker. So I get why you probably
Speaker 2: are going to be in on Levis, but not a
Speaker 2: perfect prospect, never was.
Speaker 6: I agree with being in on him from not in
Speaker 6: terms of not drafting another young guy. Add a veteran
Speaker 6: to the mix that is going to be a decent back.
Speaker 1: That's a good plan too. I just have a plan,
Speaker 1: have a backup.
Speaker 6: Plan, and then this is the year for that, This
Speaker 6: is the year for them.
Speaker 2: In other by the way, you know, I have a
Speaker 2: tremendously close relationship with my father Mark.
Speaker 1: Yes it's evident, humble brag, but the idea we.
Speaker 5: All know that. Why are you just singling out marks.
Speaker 6: But it's like, hey, guys who don't really get that
Speaker 6: along with your dad, I'm going to make you feel
Speaker 6: bad in that.
Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out, like if I was appointed to
Speaker 2: the top of the company and had a chance to
Speaker 2: just be like dad, you know, every generation, like you know,
Speaker 2: we build, and that would be my opportunity to say, Dad,
Speaker 2: we've got to let you go, that's all. And and
Speaker 2: imagine being at IBM Mark during your dad's time there,
Speaker 2: getting promoted to all the being able to call your
Speaker 2: dad and be like, Dad, you can't tell me what
Speaker 2: to do anymore.
Speaker 1: In fact, to get the your office.
Speaker 6: You're gone.
Speaker 3: I don't feel a box like this. I don't like that, you.
Speaker 4: Know, feels like something you personally might need to unpackle more.
Speaker 1: You can have to turn it on me.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this is an opportunity that young Callahan has.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it to my father. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: he might want to if they don't have to read.
Speaker 7: We don't know like what that relationship is. And to
Speaker 7: the point of the people that he works with six
Speaker 7: or seven years, maybe you know, maybe Brian Canna Hitler
Speaker 7: Callahan just burns people out right, maybe the father burns everyone.
Speaker 2: Out, you know, right, and now it's our rank relationships
Speaker 2: with our dads.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Colleen, you are unbelievable. Race for the top seed.
Speaker 1: I won't do that. We don't need to unpacked it.
Speaker 6: But you're just like you don't even know, you don't
Speaker 6: even inquire about it.
Speaker 3: I think it'll take like.
Speaker 6: Until the ninth month of therapy for for dance therapists
Speaker 6: to be like, why is it your greatest wish to
Speaker 6: fire your own at father? What is this really about?
Speaker 5: Tis, I'm bringing my dad to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: You'll be able to hang out with them there, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna go to the Red carpet honors together.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be great. We love that you gonna bring
Speaker 5: your dad.
Speaker 2: I've done it four times. Right, Let's who's brought their
Speaker 2: dad to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: I have as well?
Speaker 7: Yeah I have not, but there were extenuating circumstances around
Speaker 7: some of that.
Speaker 3: So let's take on that. No, let's move absolutely not right.
Speaker 2: The Chargers Uh and Jim Harbaugh are now in striking
Speaker 2: distance of getting a deal. You know who that's from,
Speaker 2: Mike g Mike Garafolo and you know you could trust it,
Speaker 2: So uh, the Los Angeles Chargers. After saying by to
Speaker 2: Brand and Staley, they decide it is time.
Speaker 6: To get see you think data side, it's always it's Harbaugh,
Speaker 6: who's had some crazy stories over the years.
Speaker 1: Also, striking distance is interesting.
Speaker 6: Right, it's sometimes he's been at the finish. So I'm
Speaker 6: gonna give this like an eight ninety percent chance, all right, well,
Speaker 6: because Mike ge is implicitly putting that ten percent in
Speaker 6: that report.
Speaker 2: So Jim Harball, who's had great success everywhere he's gone
Speaker 2: from college to the pros, back to college, and now
Speaker 2: coming back to the Pros, it looks like gets a beautiful.
Speaker 1: Canvas to work on.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the perfect Charges roster, but certainly not a
Speaker 2: bad one either. And most importantly, he comes back to
Speaker 2: the NFL with a quarterback that, if he hasn't quite
Speaker 2: reached superstar status yet, obviously has that potential With Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: I think everyone that likes Herbert and is frustrated by
Speaker 2: the arc of his career so far has to be
Speaker 2: happy about this news, especially Bolts fans.
Speaker 4: AFC West. The head coaches are going to be wild
Speaker 4: if that happens. You're gonna have Jim harribaal Sean Payton,
Speaker 4: Andy Reid, and then Antonio Pierce, which is a wild
Speaker 4: card because you just don't know his track record. But
Speaker 4: still those other three head coaches in one division makes
Speaker 4: those division games so much more fun.
Speaker 6: I also, I'm hesitant here to get too deep into
Speaker 6: what it all means, and I'm a little worried about this.
Speaker 6: Aaron Wilson Report, who does good work for the Houston
Speaker 6: Chronicle or was there now he covers the Texans for
Speaker 6: another outlet. He said Greg Roman would be the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 6: which is like Greg Roman, I don't need.
Speaker 2: More Gregan of Greg Rosenthal never been a Greg Roman.
Speaker 6: No, he's a very interesting coordinator who you sort of
Speaker 6: can't write the history of the last twenty years in
Speaker 6: the NFL without him, because he led to that Colin
Speaker 6: Kaepernick offense was totally different than anything we'd ever seen.
Speaker 6: And he did a great job with Alex Smith too
Speaker 6: initially and it could not have crashed and burned harder.
Speaker 6: And then the same thing happened with Lamar Jackson, where
Speaker 6: it's very one dimensional. Just just like imagining that. I guess,
Speaker 6: I'm I guess I have a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of skulls partition, and because it comes from
Speaker 2: a very it's speeding at a high rate before that.
Speaker 1: Look, he was the OC of that twenty nineteen That's.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying. And they never sort of developed or
Speaker 6: had answers. They weren't like a complete offense. But we'll
Speaker 6: see if this happens. Because Jim Harbaugh is different than
Speaker 6: other people, and he supposedly he was really close to
Speaker 6: getting that Viking's job in twenty twenty two and then
Speaker 6: the wolfs and at some point I think couldn't stand
Speaker 6: being in the same room with Jim Harbor and all
Speaker 6: the demands he was making, and it blew up in
Speaker 6: his face and he didn't end up getting that job.
Speaker 6: And he promised, he said, I'm done chasing NFL jobs,
Speaker 6: never gonna do it again. Right after that, the very
Speaker 6: next year, he tries to get the Broncos job. He's
Speaker 6: reported to be close to getting that job. The Broncos
Speaker 6: didn't want to hire him either. Again after he's like, actually, no,
Speaker 6: I didn't want that job. I'm gonna stay at Michigan forever.
Speaker 6: And so like now here we are again, they're close.
Speaker 6: It's like, I don't know what is he going to demand. Supposedly,
Speaker 6: according to Mike Careful, they are offering a lot of
Speaker 6: money and probably all the control that he wants. So
Speaker 6: I think he found his spot that he will take.
Speaker 6: But you never know what this guy, he's a little erratic.
Speaker 7: Well there is one thing though, because the Chargers are
Speaker 7: a special team and a strange situation eternally because they're
Speaker 7: in Los Angeles as the undercard always and their stadiums
Speaker 7: are filled with the enemy fan base game after game,
Speaker 7: and Harbball changes that a lot. I think Harball would
Speaker 7: juice up the Chargers in a way that you know,
Speaker 7: Brandon Staley never could, anyone from the past never could.
Speaker 7: And he had to work with Alex Smith out of
Speaker 7: the gate in San Francisco and turned him into a
Speaker 7: pristine quarterback before they switched over. I think him and
Speaker 7: Justin Herbert, like I don't know if I see a
Speaker 7: two or three year crash and burn thing, although the
Speaker 7: Greg Roman thing is I thought the relationship by the
Speaker 7: end of all that was a little funky too.
Speaker 6: So tell you what this off.
Speaker 7: But I'm not theoried about Brendon Rouhman right now at
Speaker 7: this point. Wet'll see what happens.
Speaker 6: Kind of fun to imagine Harv with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4: There's all these like old Greg Roman headlines that I
Speaker 4: just pulled up from twenty thirteen. Why is his play
Speaker 4: calling holding back the Niners? And I'm sure we could
Speaker 4: go and find multiple other things with Greg Roman. But
Speaker 4: the fact that Jim Harball is going to be back
Speaker 4: in the NFL, it's like, I'll believe it when it
Speaker 4: actually happened, but.
Speaker 6: It will be spicy, it will be It's great.
Speaker 2: It's great for the NFL, it's great for this podcast,
Speaker 2: it's great for the Chargers, at least in the short term.
Speaker 2: I think great news for Raiders fans that did not
Speaker 2: want Antonio Pierce to be only an interim coach because
Speaker 2: they decide to rip that interim label off and it
Speaker 2: will be Antonio Pierce who will be the full time
Speaker 2: head coach. Rap Sheet and Mike g reported this on
Speaker 2: Friday for sources. The team later announced it. Pierce took
Speaker 2: over for Josh McDaniels. And it was just an absolute
Speaker 2: circus there and a non competitive, just trash bag operation,
Speaker 2: as Mark would say, floating trash bag, as they say,
Speaker 2: whereas he says, only Mark you're a unique man.
Speaker 6: Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you're allowed to. You put those words and
Speaker 3: do it the way you do it.
Speaker 2: Mark Pierce is hiring comes after coach Raiders to five
Speaker 2: wins in those final nine games, and that a long
Speaker 2: sess dog with his a very vocal, fiery style and
Speaker 2: the players latching on to him and him being essentially
Speaker 2: the antithesis of what McDaniels was.
Speaker 3: I think all that kind of came together and got
Speaker 3: him this job.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's just bells and whistles in terms
Speaker 7: of how the players responded to him. I mean they
Speaker 7: were a different defense down the stretch.
Speaker 3: I think it matters.
Speaker 7: I think we're seeing this all over the place, like
Speaker 7: these coaches need to relate to these players in a
Speaker 7: different way.
Speaker 3: Meetings need to happen differently.
Speaker 7: And there was this drum beat with Josh McDaniels of like,
Speaker 7: why is he not getting along with this important guy
Speaker 7: and this important guy And there's all these like behind
Speaker 7: the scenes whispers that this is just not working. So
Speaker 7: this is like when you have one relationship and you
Speaker 7: just go to another, and you go to someone completely different.
Speaker 7: Antonio Pierce couldn't be any more different. Than Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 7: But I think the hard work begins now because it's like,
Speaker 7: nice idea to put n O'Connell in there for a
Speaker 7: bunch of time. Last year, Jimmy G is Jimmy G
Speaker 7: and that thing flamed out. It's like, you've got to
Speaker 7: figure out who you're going to be because you can't
Speaker 7: be one of these teams in a power heavy AFC
Speaker 7: with a maybe he works quarterback, maybe he gets us
Speaker 7: six wins type of guy. So it's like a nice
Speaker 7: story now turns into the acid test.
Speaker 6: We still gotta find out who the GM is. Don't
Speaker 6: know that there's a reporting that Marvin Lewis will be
Speaker 6: involved in the staff kind of in a over helping
Speaker 6: Pierce out. He apparently actually was getting help from peer.
Speaker 6: He might have been on the staff last year and
Speaker 6: we didn't really know after Pierce came aboard like a
Speaker 6: costume Yeah no, and like, uh, you know, advisory role
Speaker 6: in Tom Kaughlin helping in case he says he knows
Speaker 6: what he doesn't know and needs some help maybe filling
Speaker 6: out the staff. All this different stuff and I'm curious
Speaker 6: to see what the staff looks. There's Zach Robinson again.
Speaker 6: Another McVeigh guy is getting interviewed for the OC job,
Speaker 6: that that would be promising. I just think it's it
Speaker 6: should not be lost because we didn't hit it on
Speaker 6: this podcast that Max Crosby put it out there that
Speaker 6: he will request the trade if Antonio Pierce doesn't get higher,
Speaker 6: and then like a day later, Antonio Pierce was hired.
Speaker 6: So I just think by the transitive rule, Max Crosby
Speaker 6: runs the team. Now, yem he's the GM, he's the owner.
Speaker 6: He does it all. He's gonna be like looking at
Speaker 6: the tax receipts from the restaurants inside the it's all
Speaker 6: Max Crosby.
Speaker 5: He's all the strings.
Speaker 4: I just I'm wondering about the offense, the philosophy there,
Speaker 4: if they do end up going with like a McVeigh guy,
Speaker 4: if it is going to still be like a run
Speaker 4: first like with a bunch of play action type concepts,
Speaker 4: and if he does end up hiring an OC like
Speaker 4: from McVeigh or Shanahan going forward. But I think three
Speaker 4: out of their five offensive line starters are free agents,
Speaker 4: and Josh Jacobs too, so they have they really got
Speaker 4: to hire a GM because they have a lot of
Speaker 4: questions that they need.
Speaker 6: To they might keep Champ Kelly who is there too,
Speaker 6: and they are letting go of the previous offensive staff
Speaker 6: which did a better job.
Speaker 7: Keep an eye on Tom Telesciler's reporting that like if
Speaker 7: you're Mark Davis wants like because you're got a rookie
Speaker 7: head coach like a GM with experience, and he's someone
Speaker 7: they've talked to.
Speaker 3: And so I mean Tom.
Speaker 7: Telesco I thood he did a good job with the
Speaker 7: with the Chargers in the terms of like stock and
Speaker 7: also the Chargers we didn't mention before like the second
Speaker 7: biggest cap red space issue right now of any team
Speaker 7: that league. So the Chargers, Yes, so you know he
Speaker 7: left them in some in a bit of a fix too.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think the Mark Davis and company have dreams
Speaker 2: of this being the next Dan Campbell higher man.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of work.
Speaker 2: That needs to be done, and you know, the charge
Speaker 2: still in the same division as the Chiefs. It's good
Speaker 2: luck to Antonio Pierce and the Raiders on to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Connie.
Speaker 2: It looks like Nick Sirianni will survive the epic flame
Speaker 2: out to twenty twenty three, but he is cleaning house
Speaker 2: along the staff.
Speaker 1: So Sewan decide the DC. He gone.
Speaker 3: After being booted upstairs, Matt Patricia, he gone.
Speaker 2: He decides to pursue other opportunities. Uh, they got rid
Speaker 2: of the OC. Now who's the O c Ryan Johns,
Speaker 2: Ryan Johnson. So it's it's that move, Connie, where they decide,
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do.
Speaker 3: We're gonna fire the coach.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're just going to clean house under the coach
Speaker 2: and give him one more shot.
Speaker 3: And that's where they're going with it.
Speaker 1: What a weird Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 4: I mean no, I think that the team pretty much
Speaker 4: like quit on the coaching staff, whatever the main issue was,
Speaker 4: because it really reminded me of that Chargers Raiders game
Speaker 4: the night before Brandon Staley was fired, when the Chargers
Speaker 4: defense completely gave up. And that's what it looked like
Speaker 4: watching the Eagles trying to tackle like no one was
Speaker 4: even trying.
Speaker 5: And I know that Siani's.
Speaker 4: Record exactly, his record with the team is good, and
Speaker 4: he was just at the Super Bowl last year, and
Speaker 4: you have players doing the Max Crosby thing, like Fletcher
Speaker 4: Cox coming out and standing by their man and really
Speaker 4: like kind of pleading to Jeffrey Loriie for him to
Speaker 4: stay I think, but watching Jeffrey Loriie at that last
Speaker 4: game against the Bucks, like I thought for sure that
Speaker 4: Sirianni was going to be gone.
Speaker 5: That was it.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of surprised that he's sticking around, but
Speaker 4: it seems like he's sticking around on an extremely short leash.
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened between, like where the friction
Speaker 4: was with Jalen Hurts and the offensive staff as well,
Speaker 4: because it wasn't just the defense. The offense too was
Speaker 4: just not doing what it was supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4: And when you return nine of your eleven starters on
Speaker 4: offense and you have an MVP runner up as the quarterback,
Speaker 4: and you have two incredible wide receivers and a really
Speaker 4: good tight end and one of the best offensive lines
Speaker 4: in the league, you should absolutely be able to do
Speaker 4: more than they did.
Speaker 6: I have a theory what I've been working happen this
Speaker 6: What if it's just all inexplicable like football results, Like
Speaker 6: literally no one knows why did that all happen. There
Speaker 6: actually isn't a reason other than maybe they didn't adjust
Speaker 6: enough offensively, and that that's a big thing. Like there
Speaker 6: everyone who's into the ex's and is like they just
Speaker 6: ran back the same offense as they did a year ago.
Speaker 6: But to be fair, like the offense was kind of
Speaker 6: fine until the last three weeks of the season. It
Speaker 6: was pretty good until the last three weeks of the season,
Speaker 6: and then they joined the defensive collapse and just like
Speaker 6: and then I know that's what I mean though, but
Speaker 6: what if, like literally no one knows. I think that's possible.
Speaker 6: That's like, I don't know why this team fell apart totally,
Speaker 6: Like they're like, there isn't a reason, it's just the possible.
Speaker 1: Save them for the next segment.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that, but that is a mystery, one.
Speaker 3: Of the great mystery. And I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: the no one because no one's talking.
Speaker 6: Answer and them keeping Siriani, maybe they at least don't
Speaker 6: know the answers. So they were just like got I
Speaker 6: think they like Nick.
Speaker 4: They could blame it on the new coordinators, sure, like
Speaker 4: that's a huge difference, but still it's.
Speaker 2: The easy move. That's the move when you don't want
Speaker 2: to go. It's a half measure, is what it feels
Speaker 2: like to me. And what happens when they start two
Speaker 2: and six next year, Not saying they will, but then
Speaker 2: you lose another whole season for a coach that you
Speaker 2: already saw last year. They already told you they don't
Speaker 2: want to play for him, So it's a it's a
Speaker 2: big gam I think it's a massive gamble, Countie. You
Speaker 2: bring him back when if it doesn't work next year,
Speaker 2: you're going to there's gonna be a ton of second guessing.
Speaker 2: So this is first guessing saying, hey, like, this is
Speaker 2: your fault. You lost another year here because they told
Speaker 2: you by the way they played that they were done.
Speaker 1: With this head coach.
Speaker 4: And I have to look at the cap space and
Speaker 4: I have to look at the free agents for next
Speaker 4: year too. I don't know what type of shape they're
Speaker 4: even in.
Speaker 6: But you have a lot of big decisions to make, because.
Speaker 4: It seemed like last year they did and they just
Speaker 4: made it work and it looked like it was going
Speaker 4: to be good, and Mark, it just wasn't.
Speaker 7: I don't like teams that have their third o C
Speaker 7: in third DC in three seasons, Like for a team
Speaker 7: that a year ago where like they're so consistent, their
Speaker 7: front office is so forward thinking, it seems like.
Speaker 3: Whatever, and they lost the first two because they went
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl. No I mean, but it's still transition.
Speaker 7: It's still transition, and it's like I kind of feel
Speaker 7: like when Doug Peterson refused to make staff changes before
Speaker 7: his exit, that it doesn't feel like this serious coaches
Speaker 7: don't want to fire their own guys, their own assistance,
Speaker 7: even even with the deciding what I'm saying, like they're
Speaker 7: loyal to the dudes for the most part, Like you don't.
Speaker 1: You know what they're getting fired.
Speaker 7: But but I'm saying, I think it was LORI probably
Speaker 7: saying you're here on you're obviously on the eleventh the
Speaker 7: eleventh hour here Syriani, but like you've got a clean house,
Speaker 7: and I think you could lose the rest of your
Speaker 7: staff by doing that. The players already have issues, Like
Speaker 7: it's a chaotic swirl for the Eagles in this offseason.
Speaker 3: They can look a lot different.
Speaker 5: Well changed, Big Dom, So that might be.
Speaker 6: That's the Big Dom did come back for the playoffs
Speaker 6: and that was maybe their worst game, I mean better. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he was back on the sidling.
Speaker 7: For the play well, the trigger it just postseason, it
Speaker 7: was just society didn't well at least I killed that theory.
Speaker 3: You can't all offseason guy back.
Speaker 2: On the the moment he put hands on that player
Speaker 2: is really when it began.
Speaker 6: That's fair.
Speaker 1: You know that could be that could be a seventy
Speaker 1: year curse calling. You just know, you never know what
Speaker 1: those things right.
Speaker 5: Don't get to get that juju off of me.
Speaker 6: Rouse. You know who's interviewing for the Eagles defensive coordat
Speaker 6: to drop among other people? Who Ron RIVERA Wow, I'm
Speaker 6: just like, wow, this guy loves ball. He doesn't need
Speaker 6: the money, but he loves.
Speaker 2: Let's spin the coaches carousel, by the way, let's wrap
Speaker 2: this up. The Jaguars. Jaguarars hire former felt Oh, this
Speaker 2: is a good transition to.
Speaker 3: Our next segment.
Speaker 2: They hire former Falcons D c. Ryan Nielsen, so he's there,
Speaker 2: gonna run the show there. Shane Waldron lands with the Bears.
Speaker 2: He's their new OC, so he's got I have a
Speaker 2: lot of eyes on him. So there's two more. And
Speaker 2: then in the front office ranks. The carousel spins as well.
Speaker 2: Dan Morgan hired by the Panthers as their GM. He
Speaker 2: was previously the assistant GM under the previous dude Scott
Speaker 2: Scott Fitter, who was fired after the Panthers went two
Speaker 2: and fifteen.
Speaker 1: I do have a statement.
Speaker 2: This is not temper Be talking, but this is an
Speaker 2: episode of temper be a release in a statement.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, now that works all right here.
Speaker 2: Dan has a thorough knowledge of our football personnel and
Speaker 2: a clearer vision to take us where we all want
Speaker 2: to go. We know he will attack this opportunity with
Speaker 2: the same intensity he did as a Panthers player.
Speaker 6: He was a linebacker or something, give me or something.
Speaker 6: He was like one of the sorry, oh my god, hey,
Speaker 6: if someone said that about C. J. Moseley, I say, like,
Speaker 6: you stick it to me. You had stick it to
Speaker 6: get stick it to me. Those concussions though he had.
Speaker 6: He was kind of a poster boy for too many
Speaker 6: concussions and it ruined his career.
Speaker 1: Great, well, that's the guy I want running my football team.
Speaker 6: I'm surprised that they stayed in house considering are you yes,
Speaker 6: because it's like things, because they interviewed because nobody wants to.
Speaker 7: Think Tepper's like, I want someone who's gonna follow my orders.
Speaker 7: I mean also, I mean Bear Morgan rose up through
Speaker 7: the ranks to become like the director of pro personal
Speaker 7: with the Seahawks during their big run. He was with
Speaker 7: the bills, So I mean, he's not being pulled out
Speaker 7: of nowhere. But I am not that surprised. It didn't
Speaker 7: surprise me that Tepper couldn't go get a powerful, experienced
Speaker 7: candidate from outside of the building when he needs people
Speaker 7: simply to follow his order.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they did like seven or eight interviews. They've had
Speaker 6: so many second interviews with head coaches that it's almost
Speaker 6: not worth listening. We'll see who they end up high.
Speaker 6: I want Ron Rivera going back there. That seems perfect.
Speaker 6: He could handle it. He dealt with Snyder, He's already
Speaker 6: been in the building. He knows where the bathrooms are.
Speaker 6: The Waldron news to me, is the biggest here. Nielsen
Speaker 6: did a great job I think for the Falcons overall
Speaker 6: with the town. Yeah, that's a nice high for them.
Speaker 6: But the Waldron news is big because, first of all,
Speaker 6: we heard this news that maybe Cliff was interviewing for
Speaker 6: that job. I'm glad they didn't hire Cliff Kingsbury. Kingsbury's
Speaker 6: interviewing around. Waldron takes that job. I think, knowing he's
Speaker 6: got the number one overall pick, and I think Waldron
Speaker 6: did an overall very good job. Another McVeigh tree guy
Speaker 6: in Seattle the last couple of years with Gino Smith.
Speaker 6: You know, Dave Canallis got so much pop. Moving to
Speaker 6: Tampa and being the QB coach, it was Shane Waldron
Speaker 6: who was running that offense the last three years, and
Speaker 6: for the most part, I think he's a good play caller.
Speaker 6: He is balanced, Like they were creative enough. I know
Speaker 6: they weren't like incredible, but they were good. And he's
Speaker 6: probably gonna be working with Caleb Williams or Drake May
Speaker 6: whoever they choose.
Speaker 4: And then when he was with Golf, Golf had two
Speaker 4: of his best seasons as a passer when Waldron was
Speaker 4: the Rams passing game coordinator and quarterbacks coach in twenty
Speaker 4: eighteen twenty nineteen. So it's like, who's he going to
Speaker 4: be calling plays for. We don't know if it's Justin
Speaker 4: Fields or Caleb Williams, but they hired someone who's going
Speaker 4: to maximize the talent on that roster, and they need
Speaker 4: someone who's going to create a little bit more of
Speaker 4: a balanced.
Speaker 6: They didn't want to wait. They didn't wait because this
Speaker 6: coaching process is taken forever for all these teams, It's
Speaker 6: never taken this long, and so they snapped up someone
Speaker 6: quick that I think would have been in all of
Speaker 6: these interviews. Once head coaching guys got hired, and he
Speaker 6: took it because he's like coaching the number one over
Speaker 6: I'll pick that's how I get a head coaching job
Speaker 6: next year.
Speaker 3: I think they took rise.
Speaker 7: They brought in Cliff Kingsbury in a bit of trickery
Speaker 7: just to get some Williams information. Lift thought he's getting
Speaker 7: flown into town for a steak lunch and it's like,
Speaker 7: we're just gonna pick your brain and then send you
Speaker 7: back home.
Speaker 3: Doesn't seem nice.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he got just a theory.
Speaker 3: I don't. It's not a report.
Speaker 2: It's a cutthroat situation. Just like you calling the old
Speaker 2: man into the office. You got a little vacation editing
Speaker 2: in a cardboard box.
Speaker 5: Take a seat.
Speaker 6: I feel like, based on Cliff's house, he doesn't need
Speaker 6: steak dinners to be paid for. He's good. He's talking
Speaker 6: to the Steelers about their oc job. According to Peter King,
Speaker 6: any other.
Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury news, you're good, all right, that's what's happening
Speaker 2: in the news.
Speaker 1: All right, what is that?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: What is this award that we're trying to win what
Speaker 2: one of the shadowy League figures sent a text like, hey, idiots,
Speaker 2: like try to win this award, like plug it on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 6: This is this is why we we know we've made it.
Speaker 6: It only matters so much to us. It is the
Speaker 6: sports podcast awards that college hosted. It's a UK property.
Speaker 6: That's right, we're nominated for Best American Football Podcast and.
Speaker 1: We've got to win that award.
Speaker 2: Listen, we don't ask for much from the listeners, but
Speaker 2: where is that? Can you tell us Eric where they
Speaker 2: can go vote for for around the NFL.
Speaker 1: Let's bring home a trophy.
Speaker 3: Who are we up? In a while Europe?
Speaker 9: It looks like it's on sports podcastgroup dot com Okay,
Speaker 9: and then it's yeah, it's under the Best American Football Podcasts.
Speaker 1: Just vote for us, that's all. Let's let's take a chip.
Speaker 9: I'll throw it up on all the all the socials.
Speaker 9: I g so make it nice and USIA.
Speaker 6: We're going against eisen Overreaction Monday, which I guess is
Speaker 6: a separate thing from his shows in the Mix Uh
Speaker 6: Shannon Sharpen and Ocho Sinco or in Mix hr Huddle.
Speaker 6: If you're if you had moultiple votes. I would you know,
Speaker 6: I would hurt huddles. You know that those are friends
Speaker 6: of ours. God blessed football with Stu Goatts who took
Speaker 6: some shots at you, Neil Reynolds and Jeff Reinbold inside
Speaker 6: the huddle, We're going again. Friends with the most one
Speaker 6: on the FONT, Matt Coombs pff NFL, the fantasy footballers
Speaker 6: who we had on. There's too many people we know.
Speaker 6: Why are we plugging them as options? Vote for us?
Speaker 6: They're not options.
Speaker 5: Dan's gonna have to talk to you.
Speaker 9: There are a ton of options in every one of
Speaker 9: these categories, but there's obviously only one number one.
Speaker 3: If we can't win the the Overseas Best American Football.
Speaker 5: Podcasts, I'm voting right now.
Speaker 2: Well you know what I'm you know I'm doing. I'm
Speaker 2: pulling the Max Crosby. If we don't win that award,
Speaker 2: I quit, Okay.
Speaker 3: I will? I will also quit.
Speaker 6: Well what about what if you learned that these awards
Speaker 6: have been this is the third year when we haven't yet.
Speaker 6: This is our first time being nominate first nominations, So
Speaker 6: what's going on? We did not win the awards previously.
Speaker 6: Assuming this category, you're gonna quit if we don't win. No, No,
Speaker 6: that was a nice Plan's gonna he's setting it up.
Speaker 2: Well done, Greg, What we're gonna lose the award and
Speaker 2: then Mark and I will quit and then over your show.
Speaker 6: I don't want anyone to quit.
Speaker 3: I think well done. I think it's all very strategic.
Speaker 6: It's all good strategicy.
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh no, let's win. Mark and I
Speaker 2: are out if we don't win.
Speaker 5: Did you guys vote?
Speaker 1: I just voted, and this.
Speaker 7: Isn't This isn't like I'm not even gonna vote because
Speaker 7: I don't want it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don's in the hands of the listeners.
Speaker 3: That's glorious.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like when you lose by two votes. That's
Speaker 5: gonna suck.
Speaker 1: We're gone.
Speaker 2: In fact, you know what, we're gonna do the move.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do the election move from a few years ago.
Speaker 2: We're leaving the country as well. Yep, we're going to
Speaker 2: Canada or some other country. But yes, I mean, if
Speaker 2: we're leaving, we're starting over. It may not be Canada.
Speaker 5: Let's go to Mexico.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I'm going with you guys.
Speaker 6: For some reason.
Speaker 1: All right, Colleen's out too, Is that what you want.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and uh then we're
Speaker 2: gonna dig into some scary territory.
Speaker 10: This program is about unsolved mysteries. Whenever possible, the actual
Speaker 10: family members and police officials have participated in recreating the events.
Speaker 10: What you were about to see is not a news broadcast.
Speaker 8: Whenever you heard the voice over, it was like, get
Speaker 8: out the blanket, make sure the back door's locked.
Speaker 5: I hated it, hated it.
Speaker 2: It is time now to explore some unsolved mysteries of
Speaker 2: the NFL playoffs and beyond. And you know what, Mark,
Speaker 2: you're a big conspiracy guy. Some mysteries don't want to
Speaker 2: be solved, you know, and then they take on a
Speaker 2: whole life of their own. So maybe that that's how
Speaker 2: this ends. And it's always because you always wanted at
Speaker 2: the end of the EPP of with Stack and Company,
Speaker 2: you want to update and then want that wanted closure.
Speaker 3: Visceral reaction to that when that happens.
Speaker 2: So there's a frustration because we won't have any update
Speaker 2: at the end of this episode, not that we know of,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna put it out there.
Speaker 1: What what needs to be solved, what's out there?
Speaker 3: What is out there?
Speaker 1: What was your favorite type of unsolved mystery episode.
Speaker 2: I I like the paranormal ghost lady on the Lake
Speaker 2: type stuff, so.
Speaker 5: I got I hated that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate it if.
Speaker 7: You go and because you know, now there's like the
Speaker 7: channel that has like it's unsolved mysteries NonStop, warmly common
Speaker 7: fast channel.
Speaker 3: They they do.
Speaker 7: There's a big problem with with unsolved mysteries in general
Speaker 7: is that they have to go recreate with like typically
Speaker 7: low level actors, right, and it's it's a lot of
Speaker 7: them become unwatchable.
Speaker 3: But my favorite plot line.
Speaker 1: I made it more watchable for me. But teach there on.
Speaker 7: You, well, yeah it was variable. I mean I to
Speaker 7: me even as a child, for some reason, I always
Speaker 7: liked the guy that was living like multi to pull
Speaker 7: lives in different states back before the internet where it's like.
Speaker 3: Well I'm just saying like it's it's.
Speaker 7: It is incredible micro managing skills. Like it was always
Speaker 7: some business guy that wasn't accountable to anyone, like able
Speaker 7: to have like situation in Iowa, situation somewhere in like
Speaker 7: northern California, flipping back between because all the rest like
Speaker 7: ghost stories and murders and it's like cool, like That
Speaker 7: one to me was like, weren't.
Speaker 1: You so mad when the Internet came in and made
Speaker 1: the world smaller?
Speaker 3: We can't do it, can't do any That guy doesn't
Speaker 3: exist anymore.
Speaker 5: What happens when a family member is on Unsolved Mysteries?
Speaker 1: M did that happen for you?
Speaker 5: We've talked about a show.
Speaker 3: He was on.
Speaker 4: The On the show, John's grandfather disappeared in Vegas in
Speaker 4: the eighties and his family was interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries
Speaker 4: because they still it's still cold case. They never found
Speaker 4: his body. They found his far at the airport at
Speaker 4: mccaren and his name was not on any of the
Speaker 4: flight manifest and the we actually got the police reports
Speaker 4: from Vegas and it reads like a who done it?
Speaker 6: Screen? I thought John was working on like an eight
Speaker 6: part podcast about this.
Speaker 5: Well, we'll see.
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 1: I would listen the hell out of that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sometimes I just like, yeah, his his nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty eight Cadillac was found at the airport, but no
Speaker 4: evidence of him taking a flight.
Speaker 3: I like to think he's he's somewhere in Mexico right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the brighter end of the rainbow there. You know.
Speaker 2: The worst episodes were I haven't seen my sister in
Speaker 2: fifty years since we were split up at the orphanage.
Speaker 3: Don't care.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then they reunited just like mass night, raging
Speaker 7: Hay for you.
Speaker 3: Not for me.
Speaker 4: I saw one where it was like talking about someone
Speaker 4: spontaneously combusted and just like I like that and I
Speaker 4: it shook me for my entire life. But I was like,
Speaker 4: at some point, am I just going to like light
Speaker 4: on fire and die?
Speaker 3: It's possible.
Speaker 5: I didn't know until Unsolved Mysteries.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, let's get into it. Greg,
Speaker 2: it's time to unpack some Unsolved mysteries. Did you have
Speaker 2: anything to share? Do you ever have a family member
Speaker 2: on Unsolved Mysteries? I have not, nor have I. Have
Speaker 2: you ever watched the show?
Speaker 6: We have not.
Speaker 7: I was sort of sensing Greg sitting back there a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 3: But that's fair.
Speaker 5: You don't have any connection to Robert Stack.
Speaker 6: I have not seen it.
Speaker 3: He's being honest.
Speaker 6: No one watched more TV than me from ages seven
Speaker 6: to twelve. I challenge you, all.
Speaker 2: All right, that's okay. Though you don't need to know it.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it enough on the show for you
Speaker 2: to be aware of a program. By now anyway, So
Speaker 2: I'll start. Are we about in Atlanta to Galaxy brain?
Speaker 2: Our way out of having Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: As the head coach? Is that where we're at.
Speaker 2: The Athletic reported on Tuesday morning that Mike Vrabel is
Speaker 2: expected to interview for the vacant head coaching vacancy. When
Speaker 2: that happens, he will be the fourteenth person to do
Speaker 2: so this I love this. On Sunday Sunday.
Speaker 6: Scored two touchdowns of interviews.
Speaker 3: On Sunday with the extra points.
Speaker 1: On Sunday they knocked out two in one day.
Speaker 2: They got Texans OC Bobby Slowick, Detroit OC Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: These guys had like playoff games. Do you think they were? Like?
Speaker 1: How efficient could that have been?
Speaker 3: At?
Speaker 1: What kind of interview could that have been?
Speaker 3: Those take a long time too, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like those guys weren't able to prepare for those interviews.
Speaker 2: What's the point? I don't get it anyway, Rooney rule
Speaker 2: they are all over that as well. They've interviewed six
Speaker 2: minority candidates. The only guy so far of that group
Speaker 2: to get a second interview will be Raheem Morris and
Speaker 2: that will happen this week. So that Dell takes us
Speaker 2: back to Bill, and he has met with the Falcons twice,
Speaker 2: most recently on Friday, this again per the Athletic in
Speaker 2: a meeting that included Arthur Blank, the owner, team CEO,
Speaker 2: Rich McKay, team president, Greg Beatles, GM, Terry Fatna uh
Speaker 2: and and yet he doesn't have the job. It hasn't
Speaker 2: been offered. Bill hasn't taken any other formal interviews. And
Speaker 2: I think this would be a horrendous decision by the Falcons.
Speaker 2: I think it's a home run higher but there at
Speaker 2: least because of the depth Gregie, of how how deep
Speaker 2: they're going in this.
Speaker 1: It's not for show.
Speaker 2: They're they're really wrestling with the decision, or they've outright
Speaker 2: passed on Belichick.
Speaker 6: They're According to the Coaching Tracker on NFL dot Com,
Speaker 6: people should check that out, there's been eight second interviews
Speaker 6: or scheduled or completed eight second interviews.
Speaker 1: When does it become too much?
Speaker 5: By the way, f YI, well, I think I think
Speaker 5: we're already there.
Speaker 3: At what point do you when by analysis? When does
Speaker 3: that set in?
Speaker 6: I think I think the mystery here is, does does
Speaker 6: anyone really want Belichick? Because the reporting around Belichick from
Speaker 6: the outside sounds like the reporting that you would get
Speaker 6: if there actually wasn't much interest in Bill Belichick, and
Speaker 6: that his agent is using his connections to make it
Speaker 6: sound like Bill Belichick has a lot of interest. Oh,
Speaker 6: the Falcons are after him so hard. He's their number
Speaker 6: one pick. All this is happening. Okay, well look look
Speaker 6: what's actually happening. And then there's some pushback that like, no,
Speaker 6: actually the Falcons are looking at a million people. He
Speaker 6: may not be the number one pick. It's a weird setup. Oh,
Speaker 6: there's other teams that are really interested in him, including
Speaker 6: one that's still in the playoffs. You know if if
Speaker 6: they lose, and but they're circling him, it's okay, let's
Speaker 6: see it. Because there are only five openings left, and
Speaker 6: they all seem to be circling different people. I think
Speaker 6: the mystery, or possibly the solution here is that Bill
Speaker 6: Belichick doesn't really have that big of a market.
Speaker 4: What if he doesn't want it. What if he is
Speaker 4: the one who is lukewarm on coming back. What if
Speaker 4: he wants to do as Sean and type year and
Speaker 4: just do take.
Speaker 6: You twice with his job though, Well, but to your point,
Speaker 6: maybe he's like on the fence though, right they maybe
Speaker 6: even they did want it, but he doesn't want to
Speaker 6: be reporting to Rich McKay, you know, like and that's
Speaker 6: the setup there or whatever the setup's gonna be, right, Like.
Speaker 7: Belichick I think is probably very driven to get that
Speaker 7: Don Shula, Mark Beaton, I mean from one angle, but
Speaker 7: from another angle, like they really certain like they characterize
Speaker 7: it not as an interview with Arthur Blank. They talked,
Speaker 7: and I think a lot of it is Belichick saying,
Speaker 7: look it, I don't care who anyone is, like I've
Speaker 7: been I'm the greatest coach around. Maybe not in those
Speaker 7: words obviously, but like here's how I structure my front office.
Speaker 3: Here's how how I've been doing things.
Speaker 7: I've been doing it for twenty plus years, and the
Speaker 7: results speak for themselves. Like if you're gonna pick up
Speaker 7: put up blockades and make me at my age change
Speaker 7: and do things in a Falcon's way when the Falcons
Speaker 7: have nothing to show for it, like this doesn't fit
Speaker 7: for me. I could see it where he is peacefully
Speaker 7: saying I could wait a year or I don't have
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna jump into the wrong situation.
Speaker 3: We don't know what the Falcons presented to him, and
Speaker 3: the ra.
Speaker 2: Went after Tom Brady a few years back, and then
Speaker 2: the Bucks got him and there wasn't a huge mark
Speaker 2: for tom Brady Otherwise. I think this is that same
Speaker 2: thing all over again, but with a head coach like
Speaker 2: take a chance on Bill like being more motivated than
Speaker 2: ever and getting the greatest, most successful coach in NFL history.
Speaker 2: I think it would be a huge mistake by the
Speaker 2: NFL on the level of the Lamar Jackson situation if
Speaker 2: you let this hiring cycle go by and everyone is like, nah,
Speaker 2: that he's not going to.
Speaker 3: Be for us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but Lamar Jackson wasn't coming off of two awful seasons.
Speaker 3: Well, they weren't high level seasons by his stand.
Speaker 6: No, they they were bad. He did a he got
Speaker 6: hurt both years and missed the end of the season.
Speaker 6: Oh Lamar, I mean Lamar was playing well. My point
Speaker 6: is Bill Belichick did a bad job at what his
Speaker 6: job was the last two seasons, and it is a
Speaker 6: what have you done for me to.
Speaker 1: Say that about Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: It's all relative, but he was a guy that appeared
Speaker 2: to be in decline the last couple of.
Speaker 6: Years there even there, like those guys are playing at
Speaker 6: a level that's much higher than the average performer. I
Speaker 6: would say it's fair to point out Belichick did not
Speaker 6: coach and run that organization in an average way the
Speaker 6: last two seats. That's between the Patricia year and But.
Speaker 1: This is my point.
Speaker 2: My point is if people are going to look at
Speaker 2: how the end of the Patriots run when after Tom
Speaker 2: Brady left, I think you're overthinking it.
Speaker 1: When you have an opportunity to.
Speaker 2: Give him a fresh start and listen, go hire some
Speaker 2: thirty seven year old offensive coordinator that's never been a coach,
Speaker 2: be the Raiders and hire a guy in Antonio Pierce
Speaker 2: that was an interim coach that was coaching.
Speaker 1: High school the year before. That's all cool if you
Speaker 1: want to do that.
Speaker 2: But like the idea of fair talking yourself out of Belichick,
Speaker 2: I just I think it's a possibility of a huge I.
Speaker 7: Think when you've rooted for a team where you've never
Speaker 7: had a Bell Belichick or anything close to him as
Speaker 7: a coach, your mind's going to like, why not take
Speaker 7: a shot?
Speaker 2: Points you made earlier in news, it's not even a
Speaker 2: trend anymore.
Speaker 1: It's the way it is.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to get the young guy now and you
Speaker 2: want it's like you want him to almost be the
Speaker 2: face of the organization. I think that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 2: Like my team, Robert Salace still is a job. They
Speaker 2: like the way he looks, they like the way he
Speaker 2: presents himself. In Belichick, it's a quarterback like a sev
Speaker 2: seventy two year old frumpy guy that's grumpy with the
Speaker 2: media and all that. Like maybe he's that's part of
Speaker 2: his problem now too. He doesn't look the part the
Speaker 2: NFL has changed.
Speaker 6: Well, and like what is his plan? Because there was
Speaker 6: reporting from Washington Post other from being grumpy, that his
Speaker 6: staff could include Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia and Joe Judges.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: But that's I think that's I think that's a little concerning.
Speaker 6: Absolutely is yes, I can't deny that. All right, God, Connie, Okay,
Speaker 6: give us an unsolved mystery of the NFL.
Speaker 4: Okay, So, this is a team that has given up
Speaker 4: four hundred yards in three games, three straight games. Defensively,
Speaker 4: they've given up seventy four plays of twenty plus yards
Speaker 4: this season, which is the third worst entire league. They've
Speaker 4: had six different quarterbacks throw for over three hundred passing
Speaker 4: yards against them, and only the Jags defense.
Speaker 5: Was worse this season.
Speaker 4: But the Lions are still in and their defense is
Speaker 4: just such a mystery to me because their run defense
Speaker 4: is incredible. They've only allowed one one hundred yard rusher
Speaker 4: this entire season, and it was a quarterback.
Speaker 5: It was justin fields.
Speaker 4: The most a running back had against them in a
Speaker 4: game sixty nine yards. That was ty Chandler in Week eighteen,
Speaker 4: ty Chandler. Their run defense is awesome. Aaron Glenn is
Speaker 4: getting all sorts of head coaching interviews. The players absolutely
Speaker 4: love him. They just do one thing really well and
Speaker 4: then everything else. They're just kind of mediocre in or
Speaker 4: bad in. They're bottom ten in sacks they're the middle
Speaker 4: of the pack, and total yards bottom ten and points
Speaker 4: allowed middle of the pack and takeaways.
Speaker 5: How are they doing it?
Speaker 1: Is this working Lion's magic?
Speaker 7: Baby?
Speaker 5: That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 6: I think offense being more important than defense is how
Speaker 6: in the end, like you gotta be you got to
Speaker 6: make some plays on defense, be opportunistic, situationally like look
Speaker 6: at the forty nine The forty nine Ers defense played
Speaker 6: terrible against the Packers until they didn't in the fourth
Speaker 6: quarter and they made a couple of plays, but like
Speaker 6: before that, they're kind of getting run over, even the Bills,
Speaker 6: I mean the Chiefs defense, like that was their worst
Speaker 6: game of the season. They get through, so I get
Speaker 6: that would be my.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the this last game, as an example, they
Speaker 2: forced Baker into two interceptions. One stop the opening drive
Speaker 2: led to points, the second one Mark ended the game.
Speaker 2: So they're opportunistic and their pass rush has gotten better.
Speaker 2: Hutchinson's been on a tear the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: so I guess it's maybe the numbers don't tell the
Speaker 2: full story of where the defense is right now in
Speaker 2: this moment under Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 5: Or they just have that magical.
Speaker 2: Thing, or maybe they do and we're gonna they'll have
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Marky. They're gonna be tested in
Speaker 2: a big way at the Big Bell Bottom on Sunday.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think you know, it comes down to
Speaker 7: the end. And they gave up twenty points to the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: twenty to the Vikings, and that started, you know, their
Speaker 7: playoff run after that, twenty three to the Rams, twenty
Speaker 7: three to the Bucks. They've generated some turnovers aiden Hutchinson's
Speaker 7: been playing you getting the best version of him neither.
Speaker 7: The Lions are just a different type of story where
Speaker 7: like they're winning close games here, but there's just something
Speaker 7: about the team that I think under Campbell that's like,
Speaker 7: we are deficient in certain ways.
Speaker 3: We understand it.
Speaker 7: We're still a team that's being built, and like a
Speaker 7: lot of their their draft picks hit so hard. I
Speaker 7: think that's why they've leveled up and won one extra
Speaker 7: playoff game. Then maybe they would have and it's like
Speaker 7: next year, this offseason put you amp up the defense
Speaker 7: to some degree, but they're surviving. But they're not giving
Speaker 7: up forty five points a game here and having to
Speaker 7: win shootouts at the end of the season here like
Speaker 7: they were last year. Last year was like we've got
Speaker 7: to somehow score thirty eight points and give up thirty seven.
Speaker 7: It's a little bit different textually in terms of like
Speaker 7: what they've done in the last three or four weeks.
Speaker 6: And they come up with some big plays, like yes,
Speaker 6: they gave up a ton of yards last two weeks,
Speaker 6: but like you think of the stops, the negative plays
Speaker 6: they forced the Rams into to get him out of
Speaker 6: field goal range last week. So many times the Bucks
Speaker 6: get across midfield and then Baker you know, gets fooled
Speaker 6: by by a Blitz scheme that Glenn cooks up. So
Speaker 6: it's like to bend but break defense. But you're right,
Speaker 6: like the next two weeks, if they get to play
Speaker 6: two more games, they're they're gonna have to win shootouts.
Speaker 2: Uh, Greggy an Unsolved mystery Debating between two sof always tough,
Speaker 2: you know, but this team doesn't get a lot.
Speaker 7: But that's what the showrunners of Unsolved Mysteries how to do, Greg,
Speaker 7: So you do ununderstand how the production.
Speaker 3: And they came to stack with the rundown. Get this
Speaker 3: out of my face, rearrange.
Speaker 5: Smashes a bottle against the wall like whiskey.
Speaker 6: Is what does Jason Light see this Buccaneers team being
Speaker 6: mystery because I think he's sneaking down a good job
Speaker 6: with this team, drafting, keeping it together. They've really hit
Speaker 6: on their drafts better than almost any team in the
Speaker 6: league over the last six or seven years. E've been
Speaker 6: pretty good. Mike Evans is a free agent. He is
Speaker 6: going to cost an incredible amount and you could franchise
Speaker 6: tag him. That would be that would cost a lot
Speaker 6: on your gap. Levonte David is a free agent, Baker
Speaker 6: Mayfield is a free agent. Antoine Winfield, I would argue,
Speaker 6: is your best defensive player is a free agent and
Speaker 6: David might be second, So you're maybe your two best
Speaker 6: defensive players. Heck, even Chase McLoughlin's a free agent. Just
Speaker 6: a lot of pieces. I think they'll say goodbye to
Speaker 6: Devin White. But the biggest part of all this is
Speaker 6: how much do you really love Baker? Because I think
Speaker 6: when you mentioned the Gino Smith type of contract you
Speaker 6: you were probably right Dan of like, that's what it's
Speaker 6: going to take to that's what he's going to take
Speaker 6: to prevent him from going in the free agent market,
Speaker 6: which it would be something like twenty five to thirty
Speaker 6: million dollars a year and then maybe forty total guaranteed,
Speaker 6: where like if you really wanted to give up on
Speaker 6: him after one year, you'd have to eat it a
Speaker 6: little bit, which is which is what the Geno Smith
Speaker 6: deal was, which was what the Derek Carr deal was
Speaker 6: with the Raiders, actually not with the Saints. Do you
Speaker 6: want to do that for Baker? Are you willing to
Speaker 6: spend all this money because they have a lot of
Speaker 6: cap space on Evans and these other guys and actually
Speaker 6: move on from Baker.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think like Baker worked partially because it wasn't
Speaker 7: quite to the level of Tom Brady landing there. But
Speaker 7: this was a better roster than people, I mean the
Speaker 7: roster around yeah, people around him. People kind of wrote
Speaker 7: the Bucks office like a five win team, and a
Speaker 7: lot of it was like, well, Baker Mayfield feels like
Speaker 7: a placeholder and you got you know, at least I
Speaker 7: think the best sea the second best season of Baker
Speaker 7: Mayfield and like it came at the right time in
Speaker 7: the playoffs, like the whole thing, and like it worked.
Speaker 3: And it's a nice story.
Speaker 7: But I think the teams have to be really, really
Speaker 7: careful of nice stories. And I'll give you another Browns
Speaker 7: example when they went ten and six back in the
Speaker 7: day with Romeo Crenell and Derek Anderson and and as
Speaker 7: that season came crashing to a halt and they missed
Speaker 7: the playoffs, you could kind of see through it and
Speaker 7: it was like, well in what they did was because
Speaker 7: they had never had that kind of success. Was they
Speaker 7: re upped Romeo Cornell in a monster contract, re up
Speaker 7: Derek Anderson and brought in a bunch of like half
Speaker 7: big free agents and they were being talked to there.
Speaker 7: We gave him the most primetime games in the league
Speaker 7: and then went on like the worst scoring drought of
Speaker 7: any team in like forty five years or something.
Speaker 3: So I think, if you're the bit you have, you're
Speaker 3: the bucks.
Speaker 7: You have to be self scout and say we were
Speaker 7: in a terrible division inside wrapped inside a conference that
Speaker 7: was gonna make it easy to go through a trapdoor
Speaker 7: into the playoffs. But don't deceive yourself. Bigger might deserve
Speaker 7: to stick around, but don't annoint him as the starter yet.
Speaker 7: I'd say look in the draft like a competition, but
Speaker 7: also give him credit for what even.
Speaker 6: Mike Evans, as great as he is, is gonna be
Speaker 6: thirty one next year and is probably gonna like, does
Speaker 6: he even fit better on a team that can just
Speaker 6: give him sixty million dollars over two years to try
Speaker 6: to go win a Super Bowl, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Versus having to pay that much money in.
Speaker 5: This is off topic. Is Mike Evans a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2: I think he's probably right there now because it's been
Speaker 2: so so many years.
Speaker 6: What Eleven Stry he feels like one of those guys
Speaker 6: that's gonna be slowly like he'll be a semi finalist
Speaker 6: for five years and then at the end of his thing,
Speaker 6: it'll be like he'll get into the room and he'll
Speaker 6: be like on the border and one of those guys
Speaker 6: will have to wait forever because he doesn't have it's
Speaker 6: so tough too, doesn't have those all things.
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned the Browns is an example that year.
Speaker 2: Jets said the same thing with Ryan Fitzpatrick after he
Speaker 2: had a great season out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: A good season out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: It's very easy for these middling teams that are maybe
Speaker 2: a coup ball bounced the right way and you win
Speaker 2: a playoff game to talk yourselves into, oh, let's bring
Speaker 2: this the core of this team back, and then it's like, well,
Speaker 2: this team actually isn't that good and they won a
Speaker 2: bad division, and this is a lot of the core
Speaker 2: players from the Super Bowl team from three years ago
Speaker 2: that continue to get older, and you could make the
Speaker 2: same You can make a case, which is weird because
Speaker 2: you're coming off a team that was just in the
Speaker 2: essentially the quarterfinals of a Super Bowl tournament to blow
Speaker 2: the whole thing up like you could do that too, right,
Speaker 2: and it might not be the wrong decision, which typically
Speaker 2: you don't say about a defending division champion that won
Speaker 2: a playoff game.
Speaker 1: But they are in a weird space where they could
Speaker 1: go two ways.
Speaker 6: Imagine if Antoine Winfield hadn't done that play against Carolina
Speaker 6: where he knocked the ball out at the half hour
Speaker 6: eighteen and the you know, the Bucks didn't score an
Speaker 6: offensive touchdown in that game, and like that the season
Speaker 6: had ended.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Mike Evans has my vote, Colleen. Yeah, not in the
Speaker 2: Superstar club, but the Hall of Fame. Weird occupies a
Speaker 2: very weird, unsolved mystery of his own.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, it might serve.
Speaker 6: A little bit of Reggie Wayne, but not He didn't
Speaker 6: get the as many like primetime games and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: but occupied a similar space. Yeah, Andre Johnson, he's in
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame, right, I mean, Andrew Johnson to
Speaker 6: me is another level above.
Speaker 4: But yes, and then Tom Brady aside, like the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: that he's been with, Mike Evans has been kind of
Speaker 4: quarterback proof.
Speaker 3: That's a big argument for him.
Speaker 6: I thought, absolutely he would have better numbers if he
Speaker 6: had had a better quarterback Mark.
Speaker 1: Mark, you are a lot to choose from.
Speaker 6: No Mark told us he had twenty seven different.
Speaker 3: Twenty three of them were you know.
Speaker 1: The brain I want to know.
Speaker 3: I think the Eagles collapse.
Speaker 7: When something like that happens, you kind of forget about
Speaker 7: the second biggest collapse sometimes. Right, It's like Eagles became
Speaker 7: such a big story and they were part of.
Speaker 3: Our flash point.
Speaker 7: But what about down in Miami a team that I
Speaker 7: am absolutely was torn to pieces by most winning teams
Speaker 7: in general, but the Ravens exposed them in every possible way.
Speaker 7: I think that launched Lamar Jackson and ended the MVP
Speaker 7: race right there. They have a critical game at home
Speaker 7: against the Bills that they lose, and you and the
Speaker 7: division floats away, and the early season luster and the
Speaker 7: idea that Mike McDaniels, who is an incredible press conference guy,
Speaker 7: had some sort of like hand or secret over the
Speaker 7: rest of the league when they were scoring seventy points
Speaker 7: on the Denver Broncos back in Week three. Goes on
Speaker 7: from there into inclement conditions and Kansas City. The offense
Speaker 7: never shows up. The defense gives the Chiefs one of
Speaker 7: their best offensive performances of the year, and you now
Speaker 7: march into an offseason, this team that looked like they
Speaker 7: were going to soar to playoff wins with the second
Speaker 7: worst cap situation in the league. And I know that
Speaker 7: you can say all these things are just solvable, but
Speaker 7: they are fifty eight million dollars in the red. You
Speaker 7: have got a flock of free agents. Jerome Baker, Connor Williams,
Speaker 7: your center, Christian Wilkins, Andrew Van Ginkle.
Speaker 6: These guys all sound like they're going to get murdered with.
Speaker 5: This is a character. If I am convinced that you've made.
Speaker 7: Up man Ginkle, I think he's you know, through two
Speaker 7: coaching staffs, he's been a difference maker for all Right,
Speaker 7: They've got three, three or four offensive linemen, uh who
Speaker 7: are free agents.
Speaker 3: They already were really short at wide receiver.
Speaker 7: As soon as they lost Wattle, it looked like they
Speaker 7: were exposed at that position. They have to start over
Speaker 7: at that position. Essentially all the backup guys are gone too.
Speaker 1: Over.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm saying, just beyond your two stars. You lose
Speaker 7: one star and they don't they're not the same.
Speaker 1: Team, and the other star needs to get paid soon.
Speaker 3: That's right. You've got problems.
Speaker 7: I mean, I am just sort of saying also that
Speaker 7: you are in this place where you can look at
Speaker 7: Tua and I understand that he's one of these guys.
Speaker 3: It's like the people that are pro Toua.
Speaker 7: You can paint any picture you want, but I can't
Speaker 7: repaint the picture of what happened to him down the
Speaker 7: stretch and in that playoff game. And it's like, I
Speaker 7: just feel like he's a quarterback. And I have my
Speaker 7: own thoughts on Tua where he's like very capable, accurate,
Speaker 7: there are good things about him. It's not not to
Speaker 7: put him in one box. But do you trust him
Speaker 7: in the biggest NFL moments that your team's going to encounter.
Speaker 7: I think we've got a couple we've got so we've
Speaker 7: got to sample size where the answer is no. And
Speaker 7: you are Mike McDaniel, who is You've come out of
Speaker 7: the belly of Kyle Shanahan, who for a decade plus
Speaker 7: has had like an intense man crush on ky On
Speaker 7: Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 6: Oh this is Allie.
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if, like, do.
Speaker 7: You just sit there with Tua, Because I would say
Speaker 7: one thing about Mike McDaniel He's gone as far as
Speaker 7: he can to build up the confidence.
Speaker 3: Publicly of Tua.
Speaker 7: He has been his supporter verb belief from wire to wire.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying that someone like Kirk Cousins other options
Speaker 7: in the world. If you're Mike McDaniel and you feel
Speaker 7: like an inflection point of like, we can't just repeat
Speaker 7: this same season where you walk into the playoffs and
Speaker 7: get waxed and cold weather, how do you change things?
Speaker 3: What is Mike McDaniel's next move.
Speaker 5: There a lot of questions. Y, I appreciate how that
Speaker 5: was good.
Speaker 6: I want that entire thing on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome to the fish fry. I've been here for
Speaker 2: a while and you're the seats.
Speaker 3: Right next to me.
Speaker 7: I also appreciate having you not have to take every
Speaker 7: bullet from that fan base, like they've got to have
Speaker 7: open eyes.
Speaker 3: And it's not just.
Speaker 2: They had they did not have open eyes, and and
Speaker 2: they their offense went into a funk last year too
Speaker 2: that people looked away on and just said, oh, well,
Speaker 2: two it was hurt and all this stuff. I got
Speaker 2: to see if that offense is functional when it's not
Speaker 2: Super Bowl September in Miami, And yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of work to be done there to see them
Speaker 2: as a real content I don't need to add anything
Speaker 2: else because I was saying it all year.
Speaker 4: It was the same questions that we had about this team,
Speaker 4: and they showed us the answer in the most important
Speaker 4: and biggest game possible. We weren't sure how they would
Speaker 4: play against good teams, and we definitely weren't sure how
Speaker 4: they would play against good teams on the road, and
Speaker 4: then that's exactly what happened, And that was the concern
Speaker 4: all season long, and it came to fruition.
Speaker 6: I think defensively, there's a lot to be excited about,
Speaker 6: and they can keep most of their people. Year two
Speaker 6: of vic Vango that was really showing dividends before the
Speaker 6: injuries struck. But everything you said is really well positioned, Mark,
Speaker 6: because I think they're in a very difficult spot where
Speaker 6: they have a lot of challenges to keep this team
Speaker 6: together and very difficult decisions to make, and yet they
Speaker 6: have these high expectations and yet they haven't really achieved
Speaker 6: that much. It might be the most difficult spot you
Speaker 6: can be in. It's like true, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like the expectations are high, but there's a chance it
Speaker 6: could all crash in really tough decisions, but you actually
Speaker 6: haven't put any playoff wins in your pocket. It's a
Speaker 6: tough spot that their GM Chris Greer and their coaches in.
Speaker 3: And I like McDaniel. We all like McDaniel, right, some
Speaker 3: of us love him, some of.
Speaker 1: Us are adore him. He's what work there.
Speaker 6: I think they can avoid it falling apart, but I
Speaker 6: think in terms of their roster, they have as many
Speaker 6: questions as anyone.
Speaker 3: Ugly ending to the season for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, I think that's good.
Speaker 2: I think we're good, right, Yeah, Colleen, Yes, Dan, are.
Speaker 3: You attending Super Bowl fifty eight? I am?
Speaker 1: Are you still going up in that fighter jet?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, the Thunderbirds? Yes, I am.
Speaker 3: I can, like, is it you and one other pilot?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So you're not like playing gun or I'm not saying
Speaker 7: that you'd be shooting and gut like, you're not like
Speaker 7: you don't play a role.
Speaker 3: You're just a passenger.
Speaker 5: I'm just a passenger.
Speaker 4: But there's like five hours of training and like medical
Speaker 4: assessments I have to go through first.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I mean, if I are you trained to
Speaker 6: be the passenger?
Speaker 5: If I have to eject. I have to eject. Okay,
Speaker 5: so I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: I've been falling down some YouTube wormholes.
Speaker 3: Lately, about the Thunderbirds, just about everything.
Speaker 1: My algorithm's out of control lately.
Speaker 2: I was watching watch the twenty six minute video by
Speaker 2: the mechanics of the Titanic sinking, and then that spit
Speaker 2: me into some different lanes, and then it spit me
Speaker 2: to here's a world ninety six year old World War
Speaker 2: Two pilot.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 2: You know, guy can barely walk, you know, he's ancient.
Speaker 2: They load him up in the old fighter jet and
Speaker 2: after showing a whole real montage of you know, able
Speaker 2: bodied young people passing out due.
Speaker 5: To the G four, I know, I'm really worried about it.
Speaker 2: And then Gramps is up there and he no, no effect.
Speaker 2: No Gramps, the veteran who's been in, who had been
Speaker 2: many battles. And then all I could think was calling
Speaker 2: him into the office and being like, Gramps, I'm taking
Speaker 2: your wings.
Speaker 3: You're fired.
Speaker 1: Get the Jesus.
Speaker 3: Wow, because that gives you a chance to really get
Speaker 3: one over on him.
Speaker 7: You were like, you've got some lineage issues, but I
Speaker 7: it is making for good listening.
Speaker 4: Have you ever been a boss of like people that
Speaker 4: you could particularly fire.
Speaker 1: Not yet, but I'm looking forward.
Speaker 5: To hoping that doesn't happen though.
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of family stuff that that I think,
Speaker 2: you know, especially like a grandfather if you could, if
Speaker 2: you can, I respect.
Speaker 7: You, but it's sort of like a Godfather fantasy for you,
Speaker 7: where you're like al Pacino in the bathroom finding.
Speaker 6: That I respect you.
Speaker 5: But ego, So, yeah, I'm worried about passing out.
Speaker 2: I think you will, I guess, is what I'm going
Speaker 2: to say. I know you've you've flown before. Oh, I've
Speaker 2: flown before many times, right, uh huh, but you've never
Speaker 2: gone I did.
Speaker 4: I did my ground school for my pilot's license, I
Speaker 4: got my not not all the hours I needed for
Speaker 4: my private didn't solo, but I've been up there, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I've never pulled g's before. But when I was talking
Speaker 4: into the pilot Jeez, I said that I was worried
Speaker 4: about passing out and or throwing up. Really don't want
Speaker 4: to do either one of those things, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about it. Women's bodies are more physiologically
Speaker 4: capable of handling the g's so usually when people throw
Speaker 4: up or pass out, it's men, I swear, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm sorry, can you just say that one
Speaker 4: more time?
Speaker 1: You dropped down?
Speaker 6: What if the man is sixty percent g oh, oh
Speaker 6: my god.
Speaker 3: I was sitting on that for ten minutes.
Speaker 5: So yes, I'll be at Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I'll make it to Sunday as long as now it
Speaker 4: goes okay on two.
Speaker 2: Not only you know, is everyone counting on you, including
Speaker 2: your war veteran father.
Speaker 1: That's right, who's who?
Speaker 3: Flow? He flew missions?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was stationed at a missile silo.
Speaker 2: Now all good women of humanity are counting on you
Speaker 2: too to keep up the reputation.
Speaker 3: Of G Force.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of pressure, but I'm ready to handle it.
Speaker 7: I like that you harbored, like spontaneous USh and fears,
Speaker 7: but also jump into this assignment.
Speaker 5: I'll jump out of planes. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker 2: We will be back on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Title Game, Thursday preview.
Speaker 1: That's a big one. You got to pick up some
Speaker 1: guests for that.
Speaker 3: Spicy m Thank you.
Speaker 1: Connor Heed.
Speaker 6: The car