Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome to the Guilty and Charged Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Steve
Speaker 1: and I am the host as always, and and joining
Speaker 1: me is my guy Tyler. And Tyler, what's some man?
Speaker 1: How do you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Bad news is I'm paying California taxes for Seattle weather.
Speaker 2: The good news is we have Trevor Sikima on to
Speaker 2: talk about the draft in a bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, taxes, taxson coming up. Not looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: The rain, not looking forward to that. You know, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. I shouldn't complain. I'm from Utah.
Speaker 1: My parents have gotten like sixteen inches of snow in
Speaker 1: the valley of the last two weeks. So we're doing
Speaker 1: good over here. But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Like Tyler mentioned, we have a great interview for you
Speaker 1: guys today with mister Trevor Sikima of Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 1: We had a great kind of dip the toes into
Speaker 1: the draft conversation today. So Tyler and I, like we've
Speaker 1: talked about this previously, we're about twenty ish prospects into
Speaker 1: our own study. Guys like Trevor, there are already hundreds
Speaker 1: of guys you know, into their study and have you know,
Speaker 1: top one hundred boards and everything like that. So they're
Speaker 1: the ones that we like to talk to to start
Speaker 1: the process off. So really excited about that before we
Speaker 1: get to that point. As always, Tyler and I are
Speaker 1: fans of the team first and foremost, just like you
Speaker 1: guys are. The opinions that we share on this show
Speaker 1: every single week are not always reflective of the Chargers
Speaker 1: organization themselves. They are ours first and foremost, and we're
Speaker 1: very grateful to have this opportunity to reflect those opinions.
Speaker 1: So that being said, let's get to this interview with
Speaker 1: mister Trevor Sikima. All right, guys, very happy now to
Speaker 1: be joined by mister Trevor Sikima, who is the lead
Speaker 1: draft analyst for PFF. You've obviously heard his work if
Speaker 1: you're listening to the show at least, I hope you
Speaker 1: have heard his work on the Stock Exchange, and if
Speaker 1: you're a real nerd, if you're a real sicico, you've
Speaker 1: heard his work way back when on the Draft Locked
Speaker 1: On podcast with Benjamin Solak. I've certainly been listening to
Speaker 1: Trevor and his work for several years now and It's
Speaker 1: been a true treat to arrange this and have him
Speaker 1: on today. So Trevor, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: How's it doing. How's it going?
Speaker 3: It's going great. I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the kind words as well, but just excited
Speaker 4: to chop it up here with you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I told Trevor before we started.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm just happy to have anybody on who knows
Speaker 2: all this stuff so I don't have to do the
Speaker 2: work right now. Really appreciate it, Trevor.
Speaker 4: No, that's you know what my hard blood, sweat and
Speaker 4: tears trying to learn all of the insides and outs
Speaker 4: of these prospects. It is to y'all's pleasure, So no,
Speaker 4: it is, it is you know, it's it's my pleasure,
Speaker 4: I guess being able to do that with you guys,
Speaker 4: So no problem at all.
Speaker 3: I love talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, if you guys can't tell, today's episode is
Speaker 1: going to be primarily focused on the draft, Tyler and
Speaker 1: I have dipped our toes in. You know, we are
Speaker 1: behind the eight ball a little bit this year, but
Speaker 1: you know we've watched some of the top prospects and
Speaker 1: I think we're each around twenty graded. So it is
Speaker 1: what it is. But Trevor to do this, you know,
Speaker 1: full time and study these prospects and like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: does some great work over at PFF and the Stock
Speaker 1: Exchange podcast. Cannot recommend them enough. So we're gonna pick
Speaker 1: his brain and thankfully we're gonna pick his brain a
Speaker 1: few times leading up to the draft. So we're really
Speaker 1: excited about having him on here a couple of times
Speaker 1: over the next few months to talk about the draft.
Speaker 1: And obviously, well we'll jump right in here. I think, Trevor,
Speaker 1: we'll start with kind of a generic question here. Every
Speaker 1: single year there's a position group that's kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: hotly discussed as kind of the best group, or one
Speaker 1: that's maybe kind of an underwhelming group. What in your
Speaker 1: eyes is the strength of the twenty twenty four draft
Speaker 1: class as you see it right now on January twenty second.
Speaker 4: Well, thankfully, for Chargers fans, I think it's wide receiver.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm talking with other draft analysts, I'm going
Speaker 4: through my own rankings, and you know, I was just
Speaker 4: having a conversation with anybody who follows PFF knows Mike
Speaker 4: Renner as well.
Speaker 3: It's just having a conversation with him. The other day.
Speaker 4: He texts me, He's like, dude, I've got to stop
Speaker 4: watching wide receivers because like, every time I watch another one,
Speaker 4: I have to put them in the top one hundred.
Speaker 4: And I told them, I said back to them the
Speaker 4: exact same thing. I have had a little bit of
Speaker 4: a bad habit that I've had to recognize of Like
Speaker 4: I keep watching these wide receivers and I keep telling myself, Okay,
Speaker 4: I can't have their film grade this high, like there
Speaker 4: can't be another one, right, and no, when you stay
Speaker 4: true to the film grade, and when you watch these
Speaker 4: guys and how well they're playing wide receiver is incredibly deep.
Speaker 3: It's incredibly talented.
Speaker 4: We have three wide receivers I think at the very
Speaker 4: top of this class who would be wide receiver one
Speaker 4: and basically every other draft class. I've got Marvin Harrison
Speaker 4: Junior from Ohio State as my wide receiver one in
Speaker 4: this draft. But Malik Neighbors from LSU ain't that far behind.
Speaker 4: Romeo Dunzey from Washington ain't that far behind. And if
Speaker 4: you PLoP either of those two dudes, Odunza or neighbors
Speaker 4: into most other draft classes their wide receiver one, and
Speaker 4: it's signed him close certainly. If you want to go
Speaker 4: back to short term memory, last year twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: I had Jackson Smith and jigbe as my number one
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Last year, JSN would be wide receiver five
Speaker 4: six this year from just the guys that I've already
Speaker 4: been able to get these final grades on.
Speaker 3: So it's an incredibly talented wide receiver class.
Speaker 4: But beyond that, I'm not just saying this because I'm
Speaker 4: a draft guy and I want people to be.
Speaker 3: Excited about the draft. It is really strong at the
Speaker 3: premium positions.
Speaker 4: Quarterback, There's a lot of guys at the top that
Speaker 4: you can invest in.
Speaker 3: We see Drake May and Kayleb Williams name at the
Speaker 3: very top.
Speaker 4: I think Jayden Daniel's name is going to get higher
Speaker 4: and high on that listen, So until we keep talking
Speaker 4: about him as a potential top five pick. Corner, very deep,
Speaker 4: very talented as well. Pass rusher. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: guys in the first round. There may not be a
Speaker 4: Nick Bosa Miles Garrett type of guy to go number one,
Speaker 4: but a lot of good edge rushers as well, a
Speaker 4: lot of great offensive tackles, which you don't normally get normally.
Speaker 4: It's like a couple of good guys, but man, I
Speaker 4: feel like that group is deep going all the way
Speaker 4: through the top fifty as well.
Speaker 3: So those premium positions really stacked this year, and it's
Speaker 3: making for a lot of fun conversations.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, because chargers are looking at a tackle potentially
Speaker 2: a wide receiver, an edge rusher, so that that all
Speaker 2: sounds great. Last year with the wide receiver class, maybe
Speaker 2: it wasn't a top heavy class, but we knew it
Speaker 2: was a very deep class. I don't think anyone expected
Speaker 2: the kind of production immediately from so many players from
Speaker 2: day one to day three from that class. Is that
Speaker 2: something that you think could hold again with this class
Speaker 2: or do you think that was more of a one
Speaker 2: off last year.
Speaker 3: No, I absolutely think that it could hold up in
Speaker 3: this class.
Speaker 4: Now, of course, you've got a late drafted guy in
Speaker 4: Pookin Takua who just broke the rookie wide receiver records
Speaker 4: for total yards. But it's so I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: that is going to hold. I don't know if we're
Speaker 4: going to get another record breaker next year, but you know,
Speaker 4: you look at guys like him, you look at guys
Speaker 4: like Tank Dell, like Michael Wilson, like some of these
Speaker 4: like mid round wide receivers who have been playing really
Speaker 4: really well this year.
Speaker 3: I could see similar levels of success.
Speaker 4: You know there are just because I'm gonna have a
Speaker 4: lot of these guys ranked in the top fifty.
Speaker 3: You know that teams like to take best.
Speaker 4: Player available, but they also do need to fill their
Speaker 4: roster needs, so it's not like all of these guys
Speaker 4: are gonna be able to go. So just from a
Speaker 4: trickle down effect, especially because the other premium positions are
Speaker 4: pretty strong, you're gonna get wide receivers in the third
Speaker 4: and fourth round in this upcoming year that we're going
Speaker 4: to look back on or we'll be like, man, how
Speaker 4: did he last until the fourth round? And in reality,
Speaker 4: the film never said fourth round.
Speaker 3: It was always just a there's just.
Speaker 4: Too many of these guys for them to all be
Speaker 4: able to go in whatever, you know, the top seventy
Speaker 4: five to the top fifty, and it's just going to
Speaker 4: kind of push everybody a little bit further back. So
Speaker 4: it is wild to say after a year where a
Speaker 4: lot of really great rookie wide receivers from the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three class were able to stand out. I do
Speaker 4: expect this next class coming in to have that sort
Speaker 4: of potential and maybe even more of a widespread not
Speaker 4: necessarily like I said, record breaking, but more widespread a
Speaker 4: youth movement from the wide receiver position of a lot
Speaker 4: of these guys coming in and being able to establish
Speaker 4: themselves pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that creates some real intrigue
Speaker 1: for the Chargers and what they could potentially do with
Speaker 1: the fifth overall pick, because, like Tyler mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: they do potentially need a wide receiver. This is a
Speaker 1: team that could be without Keenan Allen and or Mike
Speaker 1: Williams depending on what happens over the next couple of months.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: They could also need a right tackle. They could also
Speaker 1: need an edge rusher. Like the Chargers, I think are
Speaker 1: in a really good spot at five to potentially trade back,
Speaker 1: But if they want to stick and pick one of
Speaker 1: those wide receivers, you know they're certainly against spot. And
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah had the Chargers taking Rome Odunse at five
Speaker 1: over Malik Neighbors in his first mock draft, and that
Speaker 1: sent Chargers Twitter a blaze, which I think is a
Speaker 1: little unfair to rum Odoonse. So specifically about Odoonsay versus Neighbors, Trevor,
Speaker 1: what kind of differentiates the one from the other end
Speaker 1: and how would you have them stacked up in that regard?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're both incredibly talented. They win in
Speaker 4: a little bit different ways. Right, Neighbors is a little
Speaker 4: bit smaller than Odoonza is and I think that's part
Speaker 4: of what o'dunza brings to the table at six foot three,
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifteen pounds. You know, I watched him
Speaker 4: going into summer scouting this year knowing that he was
Speaker 4: draft eligible. We watch a lot of these players over
Speaker 4: the summer and we kind of come up with preliminary
Speaker 4: rankings what we want to see them improve upon this
Speaker 4: year to become the best versions of whatever we can
Speaker 4: see for them. And bro Dunes in the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: film that he put out twenty twenty two, I should say,
Speaker 4: you see a smooth moving guy who is six with
Speaker 4: three two hundred fifteen pounds. I mean just the wiggle
Speaker 4: that he has, the crispness on his routes, how he
Speaker 4: could pull a double move on you, and you're just
Speaker 4: not expecting it from a guy that size. I mean,
Speaker 4: he was really nice at diversifying his route tree his
Speaker 4: sophomore year, but I was I was left wanting more
Speaker 4: in terms of contested cash. It's like, Okay, you move,
Speaker 4: you have better finesse game than you typically get with
Speaker 4: a player of your size, But I still want that
Speaker 4: to be a bonus, right, I still want you at
Speaker 4: six with three two hundred fifty pounds, go up and
Speaker 4: get the football, like, go get some contested catches.
Speaker 3: I still want you to use that frame.
Speaker 4: And this past year twenty twenty three, he did that,
Speaker 4: had way more contest to catch opportunities, brought a lot
Speaker 4: more of a man, much higher contest to catch percentage,
Speaker 4: and that just showed some determination at the catchpoint that
Speaker 4: you absolutely love. So when you think about that kind
Speaker 4: of a skill set getting in with the Los Angeles Chargers,
Speaker 4: their receiver room might look a lot different next year.
Speaker 4: You know, I think, okay, I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people would want Keenan Allen back. Keenan Allen's kind of
Speaker 4: a do it all wide receiver. You know that Quentin Johnston,
Speaker 4: he's the young rookie. I know that he was disappointing
Speaker 4: for a lot of people, but still he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: He's on his rookie contract. There might be a bit
Speaker 4: of a shifting of roles for him. You might see
Speaker 4: him as more of an underneath guy than maybe a
Speaker 4: vertical guy, because he was sort of struggling in that
Speaker 4: area this past year.
Speaker 3: I kind of look at how the.
Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs are using Rashi Rice, where Rashi Rice
Speaker 4: was more of a vertical sideline receiver at SMU and
Speaker 4: when he got into Kansas City, they're like, Okay, well
Speaker 4: you could actually help us best as being at yards
Speaker 4: after the catch kind of a player.
Speaker 3: I wonder if Johnston moves more.
Speaker 4: Into that area, and if he does, then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden there is a need for a young sideline
Speaker 4: contest to catch kind of a player with good size,
Speaker 4: and that could be Odune. Say so I see a
Speaker 4: world where that does make sense, I'd still be picking
Speaker 4: Elik Neighbors. When I watch Molik Neighbors, I think that
Speaker 4: his movement skills are special. The way he is able
Speaker 4: to change direction and yet continue to accelerate reminds me
Speaker 4: of Antonio Brown, Like there are just not many players
Speaker 4: who have that sort of athletic ability where you can
Speaker 4: continue to accelerate. You don't have to throttle down like
Speaker 4: you are changing direction, and yet you are continuing to
Speaker 4: move at a very high speed. That makes you a
Speaker 4: separation specialist. And I think that Neighbors has that ability. Now,
Speaker 4: you saw many many times LSU would put him in
Speaker 4: the slot, They get him on those slot phase and
Speaker 4: he would just man. He would get off press coverage,
Speaker 4: he'd get even with somebody in that boom, he kind
Speaker 4: of put his foot in the ground and then it's
Speaker 4: just continuous separation all the way until the catchpoint. That's
Speaker 4: always going to play in the NFL. If you can
Speaker 4: separate at that kind of an elite level, doesn't matter
Speaker 4: if you're the team's wide receiver one, doesn't matter, if
Speaker 4: you're a two, it doesn't matter if you're primarily in
Speaker 4: a slot like Gonna.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be somebody that the offense utilizes.
Speaker 4: And so with his skill set, how much success he
Speaker 4: was able to have this past year, thinking about him
Speaker 4: in an offense with Justin Herbert is very exciting. So
Speaker 4: I would still be taking the lak Neighbors even though
Speaker 4: I do see a path where the o'doonze selection does
Speaker 4: make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would certainly agree there.
Speaker 2: When you were doing your fix of franchise on the
Speaker 2: NFL stock exchange for the Chargers, brock Bowers was not
Speaker 2: available at the time. The Chargers, I think we're picking
Speaker 2: maybe eight at the time. How do you stock up
Speaker 2: then brock Bauers against these two receivers.
Speaker 3: In your opinion, he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna be right there when it comes to film grades.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm still getting through the tight end position
Speaker 4: when it comes to those final regular season film grades.
Speaker 4: But even from what I have seen just there year,
Speaker 4: you know, watching them live, you know, putting them somewhere
Speaker 4: on the big board the summer scouting, from what I've
Speaker 4: seen in the last two years, I brought special I.
Speaker 3: Mean, he really is.
Speaker 4: Basically the only worry that you have about brock Bauers
Speaker 4: is George's got him listed at I think it's six
Speaker 4: foot three or six foot four, two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 4: and so those measurables compared to NFL tight ends are
Speaker 4: much smaller. So if you're kind of worried about that,
Speaker 4: that's really the only holes that you could find in
Speaker 4: this guy's armor.
Speaker 3: Man, I mean the rest of it's phenomenal.
Speaker 4: The contested catches, the yards after catchability, the route tree,
Speaker 4: the toughness over the middle. How he is is an
Speaker 4: inline blocker, like pound for pound on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: How he is as a lead blocker.
Speaker 4: You know, they'll use him as a polar sometimes going
Speaker 4: across the line of scrimmage as a lead blocker. So
Speaker 4: whatever you need this guy to do, he is a
Speaker 4: full time tight end for you. And I just think
Speaker 4: that no matter what team drafts him, there's no limitations
Speaker 4: really on where you could play him.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 4: He's going to play more in the slot or maybe
Speaker 4: as an h back off the line of scrimmer or
Speaker 4: wingback guy should say, like right behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: He can get him in those split zone blocking plays
Speaker 4: where he's coming across the line of scrimmage. You can
Speaker 4: get him detached from the line, so he's got more
Speaker 4: of a free release when he's getting up the seam
Speaker 4: or to the sideline and an out route whatever it is.
Speaker 4: But he has that athletic ability to be able to
Speaker 4: do those things. And you talk about a chess piece
Speaker 4: type of a player. You set that guy up against
Speaker 4: most linebackers and safeties in the NFL, and he's either
Speaker 4: going to out muscle the safeties or he's gonna beat
Speaker 4: the linebacker to a spot when the ball's coming there.
Speaker 4: So he is also a fantastic option for them. I know,
Speaker 4: just talking with Chargers fans and reading Chargers fans thoughts
Speaker 4: on this, they are certainly open to him being this
Speaker 4: selection at five, even though at five for a tight
Speaker 4: end is traditionally rich. You look at Brock Bauers and
Speaker 4: just in our system alone, PFF system, he's been in
Speaker 4: college for three years.
Speaker 3: He's basically been a full time starter for three years.
Speaker 4: Although you know sometimes it's like on and off the
Speaker 4: field with Darnot Washington when he was a little bit younger,
Speaker 4: he recorded an elite PFF grade all three seasons. All
Speaker 4: three seasons For an eighteen year old to come into Georgia, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a talent factory. This is one of the
Speaker 4: richest talent factories in all of college football. For this
Speaker 4: dude to come in as a true freshman and be
Speaker 4: so good, the Kirby Smart had to put him on
Speaker 4: the field, not only put him on the field, you're
Speaker 4: in an elite PFF grade doing so, then followed it
Speaker 4: up with another, then followed it up with another.
Speaker 3: It just it don't get more consistent than that.
Speaker 4: So I think that that's why he is worthy of
Speaker 4: a top ten overall selection and why he should be
Speaker 4: considered at number five as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went and looked at just stacking up brock
Speaker 1: Bauers career versus the other top tight ends in recent memory.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Sam Laporta, Kyle Pitts, Dalton Kinkaid, Michael Mayer,
Speaker 1: that group. If you've put his three seasons up there
Speaker 1: in terms of like yards after catch, yards per route run,
Speaker 1: miss tackles, forest, first sounds, craded, brock Bowers is at
Speaker 1: the top in like each of his three seasons Like
Speaker 1: this is I forget who specifically wrote it, but there
Speaker 1: was a PFF article asking if brock Bowers was the
Speaker 1: greatest college tight end ever, And I think you can
Speaker 1: make a realistic argument that they answered there is an
Speaker 1: easy yes because of what he was able to do
Speaker 1: over the three years at Georgia. Last year, at this time,
Speaker 1: we were having very similar debates of like tight end
Speaker 1: versus wide receiver at twenty one. Now we're doing it
Speaker 1: again at five, and people at twenty one were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about a tight end at twenty one,
Speaker 1: but like you're saying, you know, Brock Bowers is not
Speaker 1: your stereotypical tight end that comes out of the draft
Speaker 1: each year.
Speaker 3: Right, No, he is not.
Speaker 4: He is somebody who is special and that you have
Speaker 4: to you have to really have in his own category,
Speaker 4: which he also is in this class, right.
Speaker 3: I mean we talk about the depth.
Speaker 4: Of tight end that was not one of the positions
Speaker 4: that I mentioned is like a strength of this class.
Speaker 4: It's basically if you want a first round guy your
Speaker 4: draft in Bowers. You know, Jutavian Sanders, former five star
Speaker 4: as well, really good athlete from University of Texas. I
Speaker 4: think he had his best year this past year. He's
Speaker 4: really common along he's young, so it's like, okay, all
Speaker 4: of that is really nice. His production didn't really warrant
Speaker 4: I don't think a first round selection. Maybe somebody will
Speaker 4: take a chance on the back end of the first
Speaker 4: but you're really projecting what he could be. You're not
Speaker 4: looking exactly what he did at Texas. If you are
Speaker 4: doing that.
Speaker 3: But outside of.
Speaker 4: Those two guys even you're talking about a lot of
Speaker 4: good football players, but not guys that you're using big
Speaker 4: priority picks. So if you really need to address that
Speaker 4: position in a premium way, I think Brock is on
Speaker 4: the table for basically any team at this point.
Speaker 2: Let's move on to defense now, because I think Chargers
Speaker 2: fans we haven't even talked about offensive tackle yet, but
Speaker 2: I think Chargers fans want offense. It's tight end, it's
Speaker 2: wide receiver, it's one of the tackles. But the Chargers
Speaker 2: do need a lot of help on defense. And who
Speaker 2: knows what free agency is going to change for the
Speaker 2: Chargers if you had to take a defender, or if
Speaker 2: you just said, knew, hey, I have to take a
Speaker 2: defensive player because our defense would need some help. How
Speaker 2: would you play it at five? And then maybe how
Speaker 2: would you play it in terms of moving to a
Speaker 2: certain spot to get maybe one of the cb ones
Speaker 2: or another player where you feel the board makes more
Speaker 2: sense for a defensive player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question.
Speaker 4: I haven't gone through this scenario, but you know, when
Speaker 4: I think about it, if you really want a so
Speaker 4: are you saying any defensive player? Are you saying like
Speaker 4: corner specifically.
Speaker 3: For this team.
Speaker 1: What do you think any defensive player.
Speaker 2: But there's been a lot of chowder among charges fans
Speaker 2: about trading back for a corner so that's just an option.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So because that's kind of where my mind went
Speaker 4: to originally. You know, you get to the back end
Speaker 4: of the top ten and you've got the Falcons and
Speaker 4: the Chicago Bears sitting there at eight and nine, and
Speaker 4: I think those are prime candidates for the first defensive
Speaker 4: player to come off the board. Now, I think it's
Speaker 4: going to be an edge rusher in both of those cases.
Speaker 4: So you know, a guy like Dallas Turner, a guy
Speaker 4: like Laatu Latu from UCLA, a guy like Jared Verse
Speaker 4: from Florida State. I think those guys are all in
Speaker 4: that conversation to be that first defender taken probably around
Speaker 4: that range. I don't know if you need to at five,
Speaker 4: but it kind of just depends which position you're really
Speaker 4: honing in on because this cornerback class is really good.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of good names, but if you're trading back,
Speaker 4: you probably don't want to trade back that far. I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about the Titans are sitting there at seven. You know,
Speaker 4: you get the Giants at six.
Speaker 3: Do you can.
Speaker 4: You can you entice the Titans to believe that if
Speaker 4: they want to go get an offensive tackle that they
Speaker 4: want to draft, you gotta jump over the Giants, Like, Oh,
Speaker 4: the Giants say Evan Neil didn't have a good year,
Speaker 4: They're gonna draft another offensive tackle. You might have to, uh,
Speaker 4: you might have to put on your good poker face
Speaker 4: and see if you can get him to go in.
Speaker 4: At that point, maybe you drop down from five to seven,
Speaker 4: get a little extra draft capital if you still want
Speaker 4: to take any of the first defensive players. But if
Speaker 4: it comes to corner, I mean, I think these are
Speaker 4: pretty wide open for you. Obviously you're gonna have your preference, right.
Speaker 4: Some people are gonna say, oh, Terry and Arnold from
Speaker 4: Alabama's the best corner in this class. Oh, Cooper Degen,
Speaker 4: nobody can match what he does as an all around,
Speaker 4: you know, outside corner, slot, run defense, all that could
Speaker 4: stuff ball skills. Some people might look at Nate Wiggins
Speaker 4: and say, man, that is the best cover corner in
Speaker 4: the draft.
Speaker 3: So everybody's gonna have a little bit of their preference.
Speaker 4: But let's say you don't. Let's say that you just
Speaker 4: want a starting calib or CB one potential type of corner.
Speaker 4: You could probably trade back anywhere between ten to twenty. Like,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of good ones they're available. I mentioned Arnold,
Speaker 4: I mentioned Degene, I mentioned Nate Wiggins. You know Ennis
Speaker 4: Rake Shaw Junior from Missouri as somebody who's in consideration there,
Speaker 4: kol Aid McKinstry from Alabama as well, Queenyon Mitchell from
Speaker 4: Toledo's I got some of the best ball production that
Speaker 4: we have graded over the last two years at PFF,
Speaker 4: has elite coverage grades in the last two years, most
Speaker 4: forced in completions in the FBS.
Speaker 3: So it's just.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of corners where if that's what you want,
Speaker 4: you have a lot more power to trade back. If
Speaker 4: you want like a top edge rusher, maybe DT one
Speaker 4: in this class, like whatever it is, you can't get
Speaker 4: really further than twelve, I would say, is like the
Speaker 4: lowest that you could get. You would have to pretty
Speaker 4: much stay in that range if you wanted one of
Speaker 4: those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously a lot of this is, like Tyler mentioned,
Speaker 1: is going to be very influenced by who the new
Speaker 1: GM is, new the head coaches, But you know, the
Speaker 1: charters are going to be in a similar spot where
Speaker 1: they could be without Khalil Mack. They could be without
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa next year. Edge rusher is definitely a premium
Speaker 1: need at this point. Cornerback they are going to be
Speaker 1: obviously without j C. Jackson, who they traded. Sante Samon
Speaker 1: Junior is gonna be on an expiring contract, Michael Davis
Speaker 1: is a free agent. Like the Chargers defense does need
Speaker 1: some help. I know, like the fans want offense and
Speaker 1: things like that, but the defense is going to need
Speaker 1: to be addressed a lot as well, So trading back
Speaker 1: could be the way for them to do that. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the defensive line group on Day two
Speaker 1: right now. That's kind of like the group that I'm
Speaker 1: excited about for you know, your early Day two selection, Trevor,
Speaker 1: Is there a position group that you're just like really
Speaker 1: fired up about, you know, some Day two guys that
Speaker 1: could be some difference makers this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I wonder if I like this interior
Speaker 4: offensive line class, I honestly do like guards and center combination.
Speaker 4: There's a ton of versatility, So I think Day two
Speaker 4: is going to be littered with a lot of these guys,
Speaker 4: because there's some names that could potentially sneak into top
Speaker 4: of the first round. I think Troy Fountain, now the
Speaker 4: left tackle for Washington, who's probably gonna move inside at
Speaker 4: the NFL level. He's the name that we see in
Speaker 4: first round mock drafts. I like Graham Barton a lot, also,
Speaker 4: the left tackle from Duke, but we're gonna see him
Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl, and I think he's also going
Speaker 4: to move inside.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna be a guard, could even be a center.
Speaker 3: Jackson Powers.
Speaker 4: Johnson the interior offensive lineman center specifically from Oregon, a
Speaker 4: little bit bigger. He's six foot three, three hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty pounds. Centers normally not that big, not that tall,
Speaker 4: but that gives him the flexibility to also play guard
Speaker 4: as well. So those three players I think have chances
Speaker 4: to go Round one. But there's even a lot of
Speaker 4: guys on this list that.
Speaker 3: I like beyond that. You know, Christian Haynes is somebody who's.
Speaker 4: Created really, really well for us. He's the left guard
Speaker 4: at Yukon over the last two years. I think that
Speaker 4: he's got a chance to be a really good NFL player.
Speaker 4: Tate Ratledge, the offensive guard from Georgia. His teammate Cedric
Speaker 4: Van Pran, the center, the longtime center for that team.
Speaker 4: He's been the center since his freshman season for all
Speaker 4: their national championship runs, and he was chosen to represent
Speaker 4: the team as a team captain.
Speaker 3: Enter the team at SEC media days.
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart just speaks so highly of how smart he
Speaker 4: is and how great he is in the middle at
Speaker 4: that center position. So Christian Mahogany, somebody who I think
Speaker 4: would have probably been a top seventy five selection last
Speaker 4: year had he not gone through the injury. But he
Speaker 4: comes back and I think he looks healthy again. He
Speaker 4: is just an absolute ass kicker man. He is such
Speaker 4: a maler in the run game. And yeah, I think
Speaker 4: there's other guys too. Zach Zenter, the offensive guard from Michigan.
Speaker 4: He's coming off injuries. That obviously sucks because I think
Speaker 4: that he is a great player. But Zach Frasier, the
Speaker 4: center from West Virginia, who's got some really nice tape
Speaker 4: with I think he'd be a starter at the NFL level.
Speaker 4: So that to me is a really intriguing group on
Speaker 4: day two of an interior offensive lineman, Like if you
Speaker 4: need a starting caliber center and guard. You do not
Speaker 4: have to overdraft one over a premium position player in
Speaker 4: the first round.
Speaker 3: I think he can wait a little. And those are
Speaker 3: a handful of names that I really like.
Speaker 1: In this class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chargers are I think they have to take
Speaker 2: a center on Day two at this point because they
Speaker 2: won is medically retiring potentially not officially, but seems like
Speaker 2: Cord Lindsay trending that way. The other one had a
Speaker 2: season ending injury, so they're going to need to take one.
Speaker 2: As far as maybe position groups that aren't is great,
Speaker 2: maybe last year's linebacker class, for example, wasn't perceived as
Speaker 2: a great group. Who do the Charges maybe need to
Speaker 2: spend some money on in free agency because this position
Speaker 2: group isn't so great in the draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say linebackers still. I mean it's it's.
Speaker 4: Not a great linebacker class. You've got some guys who
Speaker 4: I like. Jeremiah Trotter Junior am very familiar name of
Speaker 4: Jeremiah Trotter senior. His dad played a long time in
Speaker 4: the NFL. He is following his Devs footsteps in a
Speaker 4: lot of ways. I think when you watch him play
Speaker 4: for Clemson, over the last couple of years. You see
Speaker 4: that he understands the game, that he was brought up
Speaker 4: at a very high football environment, and I think he's
Speaker 4: played very very well over the last two years, specifically
Speaker 4: in coverage, when it comes to recognition, run defense, things
Speaker 4: like that. He's just smaller, you know, he just he
Speaker 4: does not have long arms. He's not super tall, not
Speaker 4: like a hulking dude in terms of strength and weight.
Speaker 3: He just comes in a smaller size.
Speaker 4: If you're okay with that, a really good football player
Speaker 4: and you can't let size totally outweigh what we see
Speaker 4: on tape, right. I think Elijah Kansi has been an
Speaker 4: example this year of like man, yeah, complete outlier with size,
Speaker 4: but damn he's holding up well at pitt And obviously
Speaker 4: he's been playing really well for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Speaker 4: this year. So Jeremiah tried to Junior I might end
Speaker 4: up being linebacker one for me, now.
Speaker 3: That we've had some people go back.
Speaker 4: You know, you look at Edrin Cooper in the year
Speaker 4: that he's had at Texas A and m bigger, longer dude.
Speaker 4: Definitely a downhill linebacker, though not somebody that you really
Speaker 4: want to play deep in coverage. You know, its coverage
Speaker 4: grades at PFF for pretty well, but that's more of
Speaker 4: you know, he's covering the running backs coming out of
Speaker 4: the backfield, and so like a lot of his coverage
Speaker 4: stuff is like, okay, that's your coverage assignment, but it's
Speaker 4: still more seaball get ball, it's more downhill stuff.
Speaker 3: So he's somebody who brings a lot.
Speaker 4: Of athletic athletic potential to the position. Peyton Wilson from
Speaker 4: NC State, I mean, might have been the best linebacker
Speaker 4: in the country this year, but he's just he's got
Speaker 4: such a rough injury history.
Speaker 3: Fifth or six year.
Speaker 4: Guy, and it's like, man, linebacker is such a physical position.
Speaker 4: If you could tell me that the news gonna stay
Speaker 4: healthy even throughout just the rookie contract, it'd be.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, am in, but you just never know.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, injuries are the worst part of this game, and
Speaker 4: he's kind of had to suffer through a lot of them.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, linebacker, there's some.
Speaker 4: Interesting ones, but I think that is a position that's
Speaker 4: probably not going to start get getting picked until the
Speaker 4: second round at best. But you're still gonna see a
Speaker 4: lot of linebackers probably go like early day three area.
Speaker 4: Running Back also another area where I think, shoot, Bishop
Speaker 4: Sanke came off the board in the twenty fourteen draft
Speaker 4: as RB one at pick I think fifty four we
Speaker 4: might have that again this year, like we might not
Speaker 4: have a single running back come off of the top fifty.
Speaker 4: So if I think Jonathan Brooks from Texas was the
Speaker 4: one who was training in that direction, but he tore
Speaker 4: his ACL in November, so it's like, h we had
Speaker 4: a guy that we loved, you know, he was having
Speaker 4: a great year and he's still a great running back prospect,
Speaker 4: but it just kind of muddies up the evolum where
Speaker 4: you think he's gonna go. So I don't think we're
Speaker 4: gonna get a running back, not just in the first round,
Speaker 4: but probably not in the top fifty. Safety is another
Speaker 4: one that's the last one I'll bring up where if
Speaker 4: you need any sort of secondary help in the safety area,
Speaker 4: it's basically Tyler Nuban, cam Kinchin's and then it's like,
Speaker 4: you know a bunch of kind of like your flavored players,
Speaker 4: you know. So I think that that's that's kind of
Speaker 4: what you're looking for. If you don't get those two guys,
Speaker 4: then at Kylen Bullock. I like and when I say
Speaker 4: like flavor type of players, it's like, Okay, is your
Speaker 4: flavor a rangey, free safety kind of a player or
Speaker 4: is your flavor more of like, Okay, I want a
Speaker 4: downhill thupper type of a player, because there's players who
Speaker 4: can fit in those boxes, like those types of roles,
Speaker 4: but there's few that will give you.
Speaker 3: That true too high safety.
Speaker 4: One can come down, one can play deep on any
Speaker 4: given down. So I think that those are the three
Speaker 4: positions that come to my mind where if you got
Speaker 4: a chance to get an impact one in free agency,
Speaker 4: probably go that direction.
Speaker 2: Steven, let me jump in real quick. Bishop Sanke drafted
Speaker 2: fifty fourth overall in the twenty fourteen draft. You are correct,
Speaker 2: Well done.
Speaker 3: There we go nice. If only if only I could
Speaker 3: remember useful things, But I can remember.
Speaker 1: It is useful in this moment, we're grateful for it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of a bishop, I call Bishop my guy. I
Speaker 1: have to give a shout out. I think he's a
Speaker 1: fantastic safety from the University of Utah. Last question here, Trevor. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the All Star circuit is coming up. Shrine Bowl, Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is really kind of where people like us really
Speaker 1: kind of dive into the draft, and so who are
Speaker 1: some names at either one that you're just like super
Speaker 1: fired up to go down and see because I believe
Speaker 1: you're going in person to the Shrine Ball. Are you
Speaker 1: doing both this year or.
Speaker 4: I am Yeah, I'm doing both, and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of really great players of both of them. Honestly, I
Speaker 4: am really excited to specifically see the Senior Bowl defensive
Speaker 4: line versus offensive line group. I mean, it's one of
Speaker 4: the most emotion notable ones that happens every single year, right,
Speaker 4: you get the one on ones that drills like that,
Speaker 4: But I mean we have a stacked defensive line group
Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl this year.
Speaker 3: I mean interior defensive lineman.
Speaker 4: We get DeAndre Sweat, We've got Dwayne Carter, Byron Murphy,
Speaker 4: Ruka Rovero, Tyler.
Speaker 3: Davis like all these like Brandon Dorls.
Speaker 4: I mean, these are some of the best interior defensive
Speaker 4: linemen in a class littlone upperclassmen, and they're all gonna
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 3: You got edge dudes, Adiza Isaac from Penn State.
Speaker 4: Who's the guy who plays opposite Chop Robinson down enough
Speaker 4: people know about Darius Robinson from Missouri who is a
Speaker 4: powerful four to three defensive end who I think can
Speaker 4: make a lot of money and mobile honestly with his performances. There,
Speaker 4: he got Laatu Latu, who was without question the most
Speaker 4: prolific pass rusher in the country over the last two years,
Speaker 4: almost a twenty five percent pass rush win percentage this
Speaker 4: past year.
Speaker 3: Elite pass rush PFF grade.
Speaker 4: He's got basically every move already on film in his
Speaker 4: pass rush bag. Going into the NFL, which you absolutely
Speaker 4: love to see. They're going up against offensive linean you know,
Speaker 4: like I mentioned, I mentioned, Troy Fountain is going to
Speaker 4: be there, Graham Barton's going to be there. Guy like
Speaker 4: Tyler Goeyton, an offensive lineman who is super athletic, but okay,
Speaker 4: does he have the polish to be able to start
Speaker 4: right away. He's gonna be a developmental guy. We're getting
Speaker 4: him for some first round buzz right now. It's Lese
Speaker 4: Fluager from Oregon State. My dude, I absolutely love that guy.
Speaker 4: He is. I don't I don't think he's gonna go
Speaker 4: number five overall, but like he should be talked about
Speaker 4: with Joe Alt and with Olu Pashano. Is that best
Speaker 4: offensive tackle in the class. Just the way that he
Speaker 4: plays the game. It is a true I am going
Speaker 4: to just not let you get any closer to my
Speaker 4: quarterback type of guy. And he wins first with power
Speaker 4: and then he figures the rest out once he locks
Speaker 4: you up. But that to that to me is that
Speaker 4: the highlight right now?
Speaker 3: Is your your Twitter timeline? Sorry X sorry, I will
Speaker 3: call it X all due respect to Elon's purchase.
Speaker 4: Uh, your your timeline is going to be filled with
Speaker 4: the d line one on one that we're going to
Speaker 4: see over the next couple of months.
Speaker 3: I think at both events.
Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, no, I'm super excited the Chargers. It's different
Speaker 2: this year because the Chargers have a new general manager,
Speaker 2: but they routinely picked players from the Senior Bowl more
Speaker 2: than anyone else. I feel like, I mean, Jamari Sawyers,
Speaker 2: On Johnson, Tram McKitty, Josh Palmer, all these guys appeared
Speaker 2: to the Senior Bowl, did well, they picked him.
Speaker 1: So excited to see who that is this year. But again,
Speaker 1: things could change with the new GM.
Speaker 4: Yep, it's I think this year specifically, there is going
Speaker 4: there's going to be so much hype for these Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl players because not only are you going to have
Speaker 4: the regular highlight tape, but like you're going to have
Speaker 4: to have, you're going to have those practice eclipse as well.
Speaker 4: And that's something that I love about both the Shrine
Speaker 4: Bowl and the Senior Bowl is you get to watch
Speaker 4: these players operate in a brand new environment, and to me,
Speaker 4: that's really worth it. You are dropping this guy into
Speaker 4: a new system, new coaches, new teammates, and you are
Speaker 4: basically able to see whose talent stands out immediately right away.
Speaker 3: And it's a really cool avit.
Speaker 4: And that's not to say that you don't appreciate the
Speaker 4: guys who maybe a little bit slower start on day
Speaker 4: one of practice really kicking ass in day three. You
Speaker 4: appreciate that as well because it shows you that quick
Speaker 4: progression from players. But there's so many valuable things to
Speaker 4: learn about the Senior Bowl and so those are two
Speaker 4: ways that people stand out that the Chargers and obviously
Speaker 4: every team's going to be paying close attention to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to see these younger guys. The
Speaker 1: new rule where these underclassmen can go down and perform.
Speaker 1: You know, your guys like Jackson Powers, Johnson, Byron Murphy
Speaker 1: guys who could be first round players go down. There's
Speaker 1: underclassmen shit really fun. And then the quarterbacks too. I
Speaker 1: mean you get Bo Nix and Michael Pennix's teammates down
Speaker 1: in Mobile. You know, there's been some rough quarterback years.
Speaker 1: I think this should be a good quarterback year at Mobile.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about that group as well. Trevor,
Speaker 1: this has been awesome, man. I can't thank you enough
Speaker 1: for taking the time to join us today. Charges fans,
Speaker 1: you'll see each other again on this channel next month.
Speaker 1: We're really excited to have him on the show to
Speaker 1: help cover the draft, and we're very great before his time. So, Trevor,
Speaker 1: what do you guys have coming down the line at
Speaker 1: PFF at the Stock Exchange? Where can people find you
Speaker 1: all that good stuff? Go feel free in the plug
Speaker 1: away as they say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you mentioned, we're going to be live from
Speaker 4: the Shrine Bowl and the Senior Bowl coming up over
Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks, and so we're going to
Speaker 4: have as many of those practice clips and analysis as
Speaker 4: you're going to be able to find. All that good
Speaker 4: stuff's over at PFF dot com. And then obviously after
Speaker 4: your wonderful listeners listen and watch this show, then they
Speaker 4: can come and watch the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast with
Speaker 4: myself and Connor Rodgers, where we'll be continuing to dive
Speaker 4: deep into this NFL Draft class, getting you ready for
Speaker 4: the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, like Trevor said, if you are a draft nerd,
Speaker 1: even if you're not a draft nerd, if you're just
Speaker 1: kind of diving in, definitely recommend you go check out
Speaker 1: Trevor and Connor Rodgers over at the Stock Exchange. Trevor,
Speaker 1: this has been great, man. We really appreciate your time
Speaker 1: and we'll see you and hopefully you have a great
Speaker 1: trip down to Texas and Alabama. Yeah, cover those balls.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it, guys. I'm excited to get back with
Speaker 3: you next month.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, Tyler. Anything stand out to you.
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of increased dialogue on
Speaker 1: social media about the draft. People are really starting to
Speaker 1: form opinions about that. Was there something that you like
Speaker 1: gravitated towards of Trevor's or something that you really disagreed
Speaker 1: with during our conversation with him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if intentional, but when discussing the corners.
Speaker 2: I couldn't help but notice that mckinstrey took a while
Speaker 2: to be mentioned. There was a certain trio mentioned, and
Speaker 2: then a couple other names, and then also kool aid mckinstrey.
Speaker 2: I don't know what his ranking is. Could have asked,
Speaker 2: but would have been here for two and a half
Speaker 2: hours talking prospect rankings. But that one is curious to me.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious where he'd have them. But I think
Speaker 2: the biggest takeaway is that this is another deep wide
Speaker 2: receiver class that he does feel that outside of a
Speaker 2: you know, there won't be another Puka and a Kua
Speaker 2: breaking rookie record sort of thing. But it is a
Speaker 2: deep class and it is important to remember that when
Speaker 2: considering let's say, even the Chargers in the first round
Speaker 2: or the second round. If they go some other non
Speaker 2: wide receiver position in the first round and then they
Speaker 2: have to go center in the second round, they can
Speaker 2: find a wide receiver later on. And so I think
Speaker 2: it was neat that he said that it could be
Speaker 2: another class like the last one. And believe it or not,
Speaker 2: Chargers fans and all fans and all people who are
Speaker 2: ready for their team to draft a player, there are
Speaker 2: rounds beyond the first round, so they don't have to
Speaker 2: take a certain position in the first round except for
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers is a complete unicorn in this class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the one. I think A large conversation
Speaker 1: about the draft every single year is like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you miss out on this player, who can you get
Speaker 1: in the later rounds that can replicate Maybe not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, but maybe that's seventy percent of that player.
Speaker 1: You know, we do a conversation every year about that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think this wide receiver class, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't get un league neighbors, but maybe you
Speaker 1: get Xavier Worthy in the second round kind of conversation.
Speaker 1: Or maybe you miss out on Romo Donze, but you
Speaker 1: get Tz Washington from North Carolina in the second round instead.
Speaker 1: So I think that is part of the conversation here.
Speaker 1: If you miss out on an offensive tackle, can you
Speaker 1: get one in the second round. If you miss out
Speaker 1: on an edge rusher, can get one in the second round? Cornerback?
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. I think that's always an underrated part
Speaker 1: of the draft conversation is you know, if you can't
Speaker 1: get that first player, if you decide to trade back,
Speaker 1: from taking that player, who can you get in the
Speaker 1: second and third rounds? And it sounds like, thankfully for
Speaker 1: the charters, that a lot of their positions of need
Speaker 1: have really deep classes that this year. And I have
Speaker 1: really only started to dive in a little bit to
Speaker 1: Day two guys here, but it sounds like wide receiver, corner,
Speaker 1: edge rusher, defensive tackle, offensive line. Those are all groups
Speaker 1: that are very deep and the Chargers could certainly find
Speaker 1: some impact players on Day two if they play this
Speaker 1: right in April.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take Trevor's word at that for sure. I'm
Speaker 2: excited to die into these players a bit more and
Speaker 2: see who there is out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, I think the Charges are set up
Speaker 1: really nicely. I think the conversation about training down I
Speaker 1: think can be a really realistic chance this year with
Speaker 1: how good these classes are. Later on, Tyler, any final
Speaker 1: thoughts about our conversation with Trevor, Or, any draft take
Speaker 1: that you want to kind of get out on the
Speaker 1: hot press, so to speak.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not ready for that yet. It's January. I'm
Speaker 2: starting to formulate my board. It's a whopping thirty two
Speaker 2: I think so far. But what will slowly climb. I
Speaker 2: don't know how we always get to one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty or two hundred each year. Apologize to my wife
Speaker 2: in advance for locking myself in our room and watching
Speaker 2: nothing but film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every single year, I start my film process like
Speaker 1: I'm only going to do like one hundred this year,
Speaker 1: and then I get to like one hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 1: I gotta keep going, you know, gotta get the board
Speaker 1: out there. So I love the draft. You know, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know the season is the season, but just there's
Speaker 1: something different about, you know, studying a draft prospect and
Speaker 1: finding like what things they do well and how they
Speaker 1: could fit in certain offenses and sort of certain defenses
Speaker 1: and things like that. So I'm excited. Man, It's a
Speaker 1: It's a good time to dive into things. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Chargers are a bit of a coaching search GM search
Speaker 1: right now. We felt like we wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: take a step back as we waited for the rest
Speaker 1: of the news to come out over the next few days,
Speaker 1: a few weeks maybe, and dive into the draft. So
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys enjoyed the episode today. Appreciate Trevor again
Speaker 1: for coming on, and we look forward to having him
Speaker 1: on next month as well, so we'll cover the coaching
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Speaker 1: the show as always, So that's going to do it
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