Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I am Devon.
Speaker 2: Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Well that's podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so excited to be back with my girl, Devin,
Speaker 2: and we are going to break down this episode because baby,
Speaker 2: when I tell you, my eyes was over here sweating.
Speaker 1: Okay, and y'all know she gonna show emotion like that. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: that's because bugs don't cry.
Speaker 2: But let's get into this episode. So we start this
Speaker 2: off with a challenge and it is called dark Time.
Speaker 2: Now when I tell you, the people are in the
Speaker 2: air and they got to get dropped, not jumped, but
Speaker 2: they get dropped into the ocean, okay, and they're swimming
Speaker 2: in the dark.
Speaker 1: And the winner of this.
Speaker 2: Particular challenge is Ed and yeah, okay, congratulations.
Speaker 3: To you, Ed.
Speaker 2: But now we find out that we have surpassed control,
Speaker 2: we have surpassed chaos, and we are officially in conquest people,
Speaker 2: and in conquest, we have.
Speaker 1: Entered the purge.
Speaker 2: And so the last person in each challenge will be
Speaker 2: going going home moving forward, and it just so happened
Speaker 2: that it's our girl, Raven Dory could not swim this time.
Speaker 2: It just didn't happen from my girl. So then we
Speaker 2: get into the voting. Now, how this voting goes is
Speaker 2: we're now picking players for the baseball team.
Speaker 1: Okay, just don't be in that bottom three.
Speaker 2: And it just so happens at the bottom three are Kylin, Hirasio,
Speaker 2: and Zara my top three.
Speaker 1: What is happening right now?
Speaker 2: So we get into this elimination, and baby, when I
Speaker 2: tell you I am tired, I am tired because they're
Speaker 2: jumping blocks, they hopping walls, yep, puzzles.
Speaker 1: Life is happening. In the end, we have Hirasio and
Speaker 1: Kylin pulling out the wind and my girls. Zara goals home. Dad.
Speaker 1: Then this episode was hard. It was hard. I mean
Speaker 1: I was tired just sitting in my chair watching that elimination.
Speaker 1: That was a lot it was doing. They were running
Speaker 1: my breath. I still feel like my heart rates up
Speaker 1: and I didn't go anywhere or do anything. This was
Speaker 1: this whole It's so many things, like I get the
Speaker 1: purges necessary, but I really was sad to see Raven,
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't suspecting that because she's such a good
Speaker 1: but like this whole episode, we have two of the
Speaker 1: strongest women in the house. I mean, check their stats
Speaker 1: and they go home, and it's just wild to me.
Speaker 1: It like makes my heart hurt a lot. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings about it. Although I will say this,
Speaker 1: this elimination, not the domination, the challenge Daily, whoever came
Speaker 1: up with it as crazy as hell. But it was
Speaker 1: cool to watch. It was entertaining to watch, Like the
Speaker 1: lights were cool. Yeah, the lights were cool, but in
Speaker 1: the dark, like would you have done it?
Speaker 4: Day?
Speaker 1: Would you have done it? I volunteers tribute, I'm going home.
Speaker 1: I love that. I loved that she didn't even try.
Speaker 1: You were just like and.
Speaker 2: As of all the paddling, I don't know how to
Speaker 2: do it, so I would have been Mariah going in circles.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that. I would have
Speaker 1: been going in circles.
Speaker 2: So then to find your way, and then I have
Speaker 2: to swim, and then you want me to get to
Speaker 2: the end and do a carnival game.
Speaker 1: We saw me in Big I don't do carnival games.
Speaker 1: So it just it just was not yet. It was
Speaker 1: a lot, but it was really cool, like creative, very
Speaker 1: creative and cool to watch, which I really like. One
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't like was a lot of the
Speaker 1: Shenanigans that was, you know, for the time Out of
Speaker 1: the week. I'm gonna start with the timeout. I have
Speaker 1: so many things too, getting time out, gold stars for
Speaker 1: time out, other things I didn't like. I think a
Speaker 1: nominee for Time Out of the Week would be Ed,
Speaker 1: not he won, which is great good on Ed. We
Speaker 1: love the Golden Retriever, the Labordoodle. But I think Zara
Speaker 1: was giving a good point around his gameplay and his
Speaker 1: strategy and him, in the words of Kat Williams, you
Speaker 1: have something a special alliance to lose it to losers
Speaker 1: and it's not very like you. You have an allegiance
Speaker 1: to losers and it's not like you. And I don't
Speaker 1: actually mean that like Jay Michelle lose all that, but
Speaker 1: I do mean that you're aligning with the alliance that
Speaker 1: does care about you in that same way, and you're
Speaker 1: now on top, and now's the time to adapt and
Speaker 1: you're not doing it. And I just wonder if that's
Speaker 1: going to come back to bite him in the butt.
Speaker 1: It may not, but I just wonder if that's going
Speaker 1: to come back to the bide him in the butt.
Speaker 1: So Ed is nominated for a Time out anyone who
Speaker 1: ever trusted Jay is nominated for a time out this
Speaker 1: week because he has shown you who he was every
Speaker 1: episode and people that are still holding on to that,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit questionable. And then of course the
Speaker 1: timeout nominee is Jay, because I get that it's a game.
Speaker 1: I get you gotta do what you gotta do. But
Speaker 1: Nurse was on this podcast and his expressed that she
Speaker 1: and Jay have been real friends outside of this house,
Speaker 1: that they considered themselves true actual friends, not just game friends.
Speaker 1: And regardless of what moves he had to make in
Speaker 1: the house, putting your friend in a position where you're
Speaker 1: making like if you wanted the other one out, then
Speaker 1: just do it to where you get the other person
Speaker 1: so and so out, like putting Nourise in a position
Speaker 1: that she had to choose, I think was just especially cruel,
Speaker 1: not necessary for the game, And for that reason he
Speaker 1: gets the time out of the week. Also, Kylind has
Speaker 1: been tweeting us like crazy day too that he should
Speaker 1: get out of timeout. So, Kylin, you are out of
Speaker 1: time out. I appreciate you, We appreciate you listening to
Speaker 1: the podcast. So last week he was putting time out
Speaker 1: because it didn't look like he appeared to defend his
Speaker 1: boy Adossio in the way that we thought that he would. Well,
Speaker 1: it has come out that maybe we didn't get to
Speaker 1: see him really defending Hodossio, but not only defending him,
Speaker 1: but that they were playing a game that he and
Speaker 1: Adossio had actually talked about, and so the moves that
Speaker 1: were made was an act. So really, Kylon saying he
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve a timeout trophy, he deserves an Emmy. So
Speaker 1: props to you, Kylin's you were officially out of timeout,
Speaker 1: and if you're brown, we will nominate you for an Emmy. Okay, day,
Speaker 1: who is in your time out of the week this week?
Speaker 1: All right? So my time out of the week is
Speaker 1: definitely going to Jay.
Speaker 2: And I'm struggling in a little bit, like because I
Speaker 2: could under like, strategically, let's take the friendship out of it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Strategically, it was great, great, it was.
Speaker 4: It was brilliant.
Speaker 1: Strategically it was brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But when you put the friendship back into it
Speaker 2: outside of the game, and then you go back to
Speaker 2: the argument that just happened between the two of them,
Speaker 2: you did this out.
Speaker 1: Of spite, this was revenge.
Speaker 2: You did this because you were being spiteful, so you
Speaker 2: made the decision. Okay, you want to choose them over me,
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna make you choose between them. And that
Speaker 2: was spiteful, And for that, I'm gonna put you in
Speaker 2: time out because you didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1: Now, on a gameplay level.
Speaker 2: If that wasn't Chuck Brain outside the game, baby, you
Speaker 2: would have had all the gold stars this week. But
Speaker 2: for that reason, a long that you did it out
Speaker 2: of spite, yea, I'm gona go ahead and put you
Speaker 2: in time out.
Speaker 4: Pooky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're kind of playing a weak game, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into, and I don't even like strategically it's a
Speaker 1: smart game, but it is interesting that you talk big
Speaker 1: and bad in your interviews and everything else. But really
Speaker 1: you're the only one of the really of the men
Speaker 1: left probably who wouldn't want to go down in the
Speaker 1: arena against one of the other guys, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like who would really actively run from it?
Speaker 1: I think? And then you know what also, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put in in there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put ann and time out because Piketty Manual
Speaker 2: was crazy. I'm sorry, Like picking him was crazy because
Speaker 2: you have to think of competition, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I understand that you had to have.
Speaker 2: This loyalty or whatever you think you had to have
Speaker 2: to piggybacks what you said about him being at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the time, at the bottom, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And to Picky Manual of all the people said that
Speaker 2: that was pretty much insane.
Speaker 1: I get your reasoning and it makes sense on the surface,
Speaker 1: but long term, longasa on them have saved, have saved
Speaker 1: ed before we've seen it, and he has an explanation
Speaker 1: of what I don't really trying to save me. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They did save you. And also, if you
Speaker 1: look at the stats there, she's one of the most
Speaker 1: winningest girls when it comes to daily so it would
Speaker 1: be smart to align yourself in that way. I just yeah,
Speaker 1: ed disappointed, really disappointed with that one. What didn't disappoint
Speaker 1: was TJ's mustard linen shirt. I knew because TJ came
Speaker 1: out here like okay, Banana Republic, give it to us
Speaker 1: like he was, and it was a new look for him.
Speaker 1: I respect being adventurous. Shout out to TJ and the Mustard.
Speaker 1: I mean the Mustard was playing no Games when he
Speaker 1: was like, if you don't win, you automatically going home.
Speaker 1: But you know, respect to TJ in that moment. All right,
Speaker 1: My nominees for gold Star of the Week, Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of them is a duo and it's Kylin and Rossio.
Speaker 1: I do love seeing the camaraderie. No, Kylin, you cannot
Speaker 1: affect voting by tweeting us, So that is not why
Speaker 1: he got nominated for gold Star this week. But I
Speaker 1: do love seeing the camaraderie all the way through to
Speaker 1: the end of this episode where they teamed up together.
Speaker 1: I hated seeing it against Zaza. I understand why they
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, but it's just I'm rooting for them,
Speaker 1: like I'm rung for them as a team. I am
Speaker 1: very much rooting for them this season. ED winning gold
Speaker 1: Star for Ed for knocking it out of the park
Speaker 1: because that looks like it involved a lot of different
Speaker 1: things and it was dark. Yeah. I if you have
Speaker 1: contacts and you're trying to see under that water, like
Speaker 1: that's it's just that's scary a lot that's hard. An
Speaker 1: honorable mention is Olivia's hair on the boat. I really
Speaker 1: loved the little pigtail things and she fanned them out,
Speaker 1: super cute, looked very good on her great look, and
Speaker 1: she was talking to nurse on the boat. Yeah, loved Olivia.
Speaker 1: Very cute. Honorable mention. And then another honorable mention is
Speaker 1: James actually giving the gold star to Nourise. Now, no
Speaker 1: shade to Zaza. But I think, just as a viewer,
Speaker 1: because we knew what Jay was trying to do, I
Speaker 1: was really hoping that there was a way to make
Speaker 1: that not happen, you know what I mean, Like if
Speaker 1: if he had saved Zaza, then Nurice would have automatically
Speaker 1: been in the bottom and then that would have really
Speaker 1: you know. So so I have respected the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't do what Jay was even hoping he would
Speaker 1: necessarily do you know or what? Like I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was interesting. Ultimately, the Wind's gonna go to Kyland
Speaker 1: and Hadassio's friendship. Like, I love it. That's the goal.
Speaker 1: I like your goal.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to okay, and I'm gonna break it
Speaker 2: in half and give it a vote breaking down. Okay,
Speaker 2: So my first person is Kylin and have nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the tweets Kai nothing.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's gonna think I love a visual strategist.
Speaker 2: And so when it came time for them to say,
Speaker 2: when TJ made it known that they were gonna have
Speaker 2: to do the votes, we see Kylin with a pen
Speaker 2: and paper like, Okay, this is how it has to
Speaker 2: go down. It has to do this, and he's passing
Speaker 2: it to Hirassio and him and Hirassi are comparing notes
Speaker 2: and things like that, and so I thought that was
Speaker 2: really really cool, and even down to the final elimination,
Speaker 2: well not the final elimination, but in the elimination when
Speaker 2: they decide, okay, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and work with you. You work with me, like he
Speaker 2: was like, get the hip, put the leg, dude.
Speaker 1: Like it was just so good.
Speaker 2: So watch so half of my goal star goes to Kylin.
Speaker 2: And then if you know by now, you should know,
Speaker 2: I'm all gonna root for the little engine that could
Speaker 2: and Baby Tzara Ye this final, this dis elimination here,
Speaker 2: babe By.
Speaker 1: I was rooting for her the entire time.
Speaker 2: And when Baby couldn't get over that wall and she
Speaker 2: kicked them shoes off and then she proceeded to climb over,
Speaker 2: and I was just so proud of her, like I
Speaker 2: was on the edge of my seat for all three
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: But when it came down to that moment, and shout
Speaker 1: out to the producers for capturing all they did the
Speaker 1: beautifully that slow wall the three of them through like
Speaker 1: the field, it was so like beautiful, well done to production.
Speaker 1: It was so good, y'all, yeah goodful. It was beautiful,
Speaker 1: so good. So yeah, that's my my gold star. I
Speaker 1: love that. I also want to shout out Kyline again.
Speaker 1: It's not I know, like everybody got start Tweet's not that,
Speaker 1: but it just so happened. We've gotten tweets, particularly one
Speaker 1: from miss d n SD not that long ago, and
Speaker 1: someone else called we don't know thirty six talking about
Speaker 1: the representation on this show that's so important. And I
Speaker 1: love how even in this episode Kylin speaks to wanting to,
Speaker 1: you know, be representation for people who you know, are neurodivergent,
Speaker 1: people who think differently, maybe struggle with mental health, all
Speaker 1: of those things. He says that in this episode, and
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, and we've gotten tweets of people saying how
Speaker 1: meaningful that is for them. How and we've talked here
Speaker 1: about how it can be your superpower. I've expressed that
Speaker 1: I'm neurodivergent. I have ADHD and Devin Walker has talked
Speaker 1: about that on the podcast as well, and so and
Speaker 1: Amber talking about her autism diagnoses all of that. Like,
Speaker 1: just so proud of the Challenge family for having those conversations,
Speaker 1: being open and sharing so people don't feel othered, they
Speaker 1: know that they're people like them, and Kylin being you know,
Speaker 1: a big advocate for that conversation. So shout out to
Speaker 1: Kylin for that as well, and anyone who is different
Speaker 1: in that way know that it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a weakness. It can be a superpower. Shout out to
Speaker 1: producers also for having casts on like that. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a wonderful interview for you today. She is
Speaker 1: a light, she is an angel. She is a fierce competitor,
Speaker 1: Sophie or someone that I certainly would be proud to
Speaker 1: have on my alliance. Yeah, and she's coming here to
Speaker 1: share with us what it was really like in this
Speaker 1: week's episode. I'm really stoked. I'm talking about our girl, Zara.
Speaker 1: She's gonna tell it all with her cute little accent.
Speaker 1: Ah Zara. Okay, so you guys, grab a snack, buckle up,
Speaker 1: get cozy, do all the things, But you are not
Speaker 1: going to want to miss this hot take from I'd
Speaker 1: say I'd call her the Dailies Queen. I mean she's good,
Speaker 1: like if you check her status, she's really really, really
Speaker 1: good and sweet as pie. You're not gonna want to
Speaker 1: miss this interview with the fabulous Zara all the way
Speaker 1: from London. So stay right here and we'll be talking
Speaker 1: to Zara right after this after.
Speaker 2: Did we are back again?
Speaker 1: Friends and family?
Speaker 2: Man words, And I am so excited about this interview
Speaker 2: because we have the fighter, I mean the fighter my
Speaker 2: goodness that is here with us.
Speaker 1: She came to hang with the podcast. Yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I feel like we should just start this with an
Speaker 1: applause to use us at like you.
Speaker 4: Can't see that game play. I love you, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm literally standing seriously like, yes, on all sides of
Speaker 1: everything and everything. You did an outstanding job this season.
Speaker 1: Oh I really made me cry. I was over here
Speaker 1: crying like, oh my eyes, you've made soft and girls.
Speaker 1: She's known for a lot of things, with being not
Speaker 1: one of them. Baby, get over the wall. Over the
Speaker 1: wall me too. My eyes were buling up.
Speaker 4: I was like, go away, go away. I was like
Speaker 4: dst that fucking wool.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is your first watch because this
Speaker 1: is the first time you've watched it back since it happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously it's been some time since this was actually filmed.
Speaker 1: What is your initial instincts? What are tell us kind
Speaker 1: of what's going through your mind watching that back? You know,
Speaker 1: such a such a powerful and meaningful moment for you.
Speaker 4: Honestly, so many different emotions.
Speaker 3: I was just feeling like betrayal. I was devastated. I
Speaker 3: was also going up against two of the closest people
Speaker 3: to me in the house. And then just the fact
Speaker 3: how much the game really meant to me, because you
Speaker 3: don't really know how much something means until it's taken away.
Speaker 3: And for the fact that I don't know. I just
Speaker 3: wasn't able to do it, but I did it. I persevered.
Speaker 3: I got over the wall, but that was just a
Speaker 3: rookie mistake, Like I, yeah, I just keep learning and
Speaker 3: hopefully next time, well there's.
Speaker 4: Gonna be no next time. I'm gonna get over the wall,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna go in the mud.
Speaker 1: Maybe, yes, you did, I have mudim my mouth.
Speaker 3: I was like, take the gloves off. I had rope
Speaker 3: burned on, I was like, why is this so hard?
Speaker 3: And then afterwards I was thinking, oh, I could have
Speaker 3: used my feet, you know as well.
Speaker 1: When you were doing it in real time and you
Speaker 1: looked over and saw the boys had a different strategy,
Speaker 1: that they were starting at a different puzzle, Like it
Speaker 1: made sense watching you explain, you know, why you wanted
Speaker 1: to save sort of the sodoku for last, But in
Speaker 1: real time, did you kind of wonder, like, huh, I
Speaker 1: wonder why they're starting over there? Did it ever dawn
Speaker 1: on you that they may be having that mud strategy
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 3: No, So what I actually thought was that they might
Speaker 3: be working together.
Speaker 4: And I've already been betrayed by like my.
Speaker 3: Closest guy friend in the house, so I didn't want
Speaker 3: it to happen again.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna let them
Speaker 4: do their thing and I'll do my thing. And not only.
Speaker 3: That, like there were two people there, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe it's too many people in one and I just right,
Speaker 3: I was just I'm just going to go do my
Speaker 3: own thing.
Speaker 1: And you were right, they were working together. You were correct.
Speaker 3: But also I honestly don't blame them if I had
Speaker 3: a best friend in the house.
Speaker 4: I would want to help them as well, So I
Speaker 4: really don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm looking back at that, I'm not like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, they were working together.
Speaker 4: I'm like, at least they have each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem to be super mad, understandably, and we'll
Speaker 1: get into there's so much that happens in this episode
Speaker 1: that we want to talk about. But you seem to
Speaker 1: be super mad at James, but not mad or at
Speaker 1: least we don't hear you express your anger at all
Speaker 1: towards Jay, who ultimately seems to be well Mariah but
Speaker 1: or I mean, we knew Maria's book James, like let's
Speaker 1: just be real, but like, but I.
Speaker 3: Meant with Mariah because she told James to do it,
Speaker 3: but James didn't have a gun to his head, like
Speaker 3: she didn't have to listen to her and initially and
Speaker 3: she was my friend, like one of the closest girls
Speaker 3: to me in the house, which you don't really see.
Speaker 3: So I was actually tried to come and talk to me,
Speaker 3: and I was just like.
Speaker 4: I know it stemmed from you.
Speaker 1: Did you guys talk about this beforehanded? Like did so
Speaker 1: were you under had you guys actually made a verbal
Speaker 1: agreement that hey, if by chance Mariah gets chosen first,
Speaker 1: that she's gonna go James and James is gonna go Zaza.
Speaker 3: No, So there was like no verbal agreement whatsoever the
Speaker 3: whole since day one, James and I were working together,
Speaker 3: so it was like, as you saw, we had one
Speaker 3: boat day after that and then the next day that
Speaker 3: was the elimination. So I didn't even speak to him
Speaker 3: about it. I just honestly thought, which is a big sign,
Speaker 3: like you always need to make sure you speak to people.
Speaker 4: That's one right that I've learned.
Speaker 3: I just thought, like, oh, he's my bestie, He's gonna
Speaker 3: save me. He even said if we're in the final together,
Speaker 3: he would leave a puzzle for me. Like to that extent, Oh,
Speaker 3: like fucking liar.
Speaker 1: You were you guys friends before the show.
Speaker 3: So I briefly met him on the UK one, but
Speaker 3: he obviously had an unfortunate turn of events with his face,
Speaker 3: and then yeah, we never really hung out and then
Speaker 3: this one. But I feel like in the house time
Speaker 3: is amplified and the closeness you have is different to
Speaker 3: like just being friends with someone for seven eight weeks.
Speaker 4: On the outside, it totally is.
Speaker 1: I try and explain to my husband all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like you get emotional being something about living in
Speaker 1: this stressful environment with people and just create a bond
Speaker 1: like a trauma bar.
Speaker 3: It's a bond and that's why, like people might be like, oh,
Speaker 3: you've only known him for two months, and I'm like
Speaker 3: those two months felt like two years.
Speaker 1: Yeahs challenge like people naming their first borns after people
Speaker 1: and challenge for two days. It is a it's a week.
Speaker 4: It's literally like make or break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very it's very Okay, wait, yes,
Speaker 1: another question, is James blocked on I G because you
Speaker 1: said in the episode you said you told.
Speaker 3: Channel and anybody still in fact, but I actually have
Speaker 3: the journal over there. Okay, so you know what. I
Speaker 3: didn't think he was that relevant for me to even
Speaker 3: block him. I was like, bitch, you can look at
Speaker 3: my ship.
Speaker 1: Come on, my pictures are really cute.
Speaker 4: You should feel bad at what you did to you
Speaker 4: A little girl slash. I'm twenty nine, but.
Speaker 1: I'm still little. I love that have you spoken to
Speaker 1: him and not talking about the reunion, right, but like,
Speaker 1: have you spoke after the show?
Speaker 3: Did you beat him so before the reunion? I had
Speaker 3: no contact with him.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, okay, so about as much contact as Mariah. Okay, Goya.
Speaker 3: But Mariah did reach out to me. She was writing
Speaker 3: me like a journal. So in December there was something
Speaker 3: really funny that she said that she was going to
Speaker 3: keep writing to me, and I just kind of cracked.
Speaker 4: I'm like a person.
Speaker 3: If you do apologize to me, I'm like a little
Speaker 3: I'm like mashed potato, like I.
Speaker 4: Go like putties. I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, fine, you know what, it is
Speaker 3: a game.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day.
Speaker 3: And even though in the moment I am so heated,
Speaker 3: I will always like remember what you did, but I
Speaker 3: will love you again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're saying. Mariah basically said, hey, I know
Speaker 1: you're so mad at me, but I'm just going to
Speaker 1: keep trying. I'm going to keep messaging you until you're
Speaker 1: unmad at me.
Speaker 4: Let me read the message.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I love you. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: I hope she doesn't get mad at me now.
Speaker 3: But you know what, one for one I think that's.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: She wrote twenty eighth of July, Hizara, thinking of you,
Speaker 3: I hope you still love me, because I still love
Speaker 3: you those sad eyes like puppy dog guys love her.
Speaker 4: And then I saw her and I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna leave you on red but no, no, I didn't
Speaker 4: even know. But I was feeling that I was trying
Speaker 4: to be cool but I couldn't be.
Speaker 1: And then she goes, hey, I don't care.
Speaker 3: Here to say I love you even if you don't
Speaker 3: love me back, and also to apologize because I wish
Speaker 3: I did so many things differently. My word was in
Speaker 3: the way of doing so many things I wanted. I
Speaker 3: wish I followed my heart and hope you're great.
Speaker 4: And then this is what got me.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna write you like a dary until you
Speaker 3: forgive me or I just wait to Amsterdam and I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Love you bad. No, Mariah, that's really cy. I respect
Speaker 1: that you like was persistent. That's really sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she came through, and honestly she is such a
Speaker 3: good friend. So I'm happy I have her back in
Speaker 3: my life because I did really miss her. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm like a switch. I'm not a robot. You know,
Speaker 3: my feelings don't just turn off. I was upset, but
Speaker 3: now I'm so sweet.
Speaker 1: That's really sweet, I'm glad that you guys.
Speaker 2: I actually I want to get back to this journal
Speaker 2: situation here because I want to know.
Speaker 1: Who else besides James made it into the.
Speaker 3: Urn.
Speaker 4: Okay, so my journal was actually for my boyfriend. So
Speaker 4: I'd write to him every day in my German journal and.
Speaker 3: He would write to me on WhatsApp every day, so
Speaker 3: we would swap like life cut.
Speaker 4: And then he started reading mine and he said, I
Speaker 4: can't read anymore. It's so depressing. Happened in the journeal?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, like it was really challenging because I
Speaker 3: came in like we basically alone.
Speaker 4: I only knew talent from before and then I.
Speaker 1: Had did you know he had a girlfriend, so I
Speaker 1: knew he.
Speaker 4: Was seeing someone that he explained to Michelle. I didn't
Speaker 4: know like the extent of it.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, Rewhine, I'm sorry you said like he explained
Speaker 1: to Michelle where and what and what else? Because nothing
Speaker 1: and nobody to know. You're the first person were here
Speaker 1: and that knew that there was somebody else, So please
Speaker 1: do tell I'm sorry what now?
Speaker 3: So when I say that there were in the very
Speaker 3: first episode, he says, oh, I've been speaking to somebody
Speaker 3: for three weeks, but it's not my girlfriend, so I
Speaker 3: think like he planted a seat, but then obviously at backfired,
Speaker 3: like he had feelings for Michelle. But then it just
Speaker 3: backfired because he obviously was dating someone, which we didn't
Speaker 3: know about. So I knew there was somebody, but I
Speaker 3: didn't know it was like his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, he planted to see it, dug it up,
Speaker 1: don't grow don't right.
Speaker 4: I'm not anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm seeing someone. There's someone I just
Speaker 1: met at the airport and waved high to, but it's
Speaker 1: not serious. Meanwhile, he's doing FaceTime cass TNG that I
Speaker 1: love you and I miss you. Okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: just had to get clear on that because you made it.
Speaker 1: You said like he told Michelle, and it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, okay, no, no, no, she didn't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely he had a girlfriends definitely didn't Sorry, just
Speaker 4: a car.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: Also, guys, I'm not the best explaining thing.
Speaker 1: So you're doing yeah, no, you're you're literally no. And this,
Speaker 1: by the way, wasn't a like gotcha, this was just
Speaker 1: a you literally weep asked almost everyone we've had on
Speaker 1: the show. Hey, did you know he had a girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Because he hid it, seemed to hide it so well,
Speaker 1: and no one else so far seemed to no.
Speaker 3: No, he told me, he was like, oh, I'm seeing
Speaker 3: this girl. It's been a couple of weeks. I've known
Speaker 3: her from before. Yeah, but obviously, like I'm in the
Speaker 3: house and things are progressing, and I don't think he
Speaker 3: actually spoke to his girlfriend for like a couple of.
Speaker 1: Weeks into the house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but then yeah, rushed under the magic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh it's I want to go all the way
Speaker 6: back to the top of this episode because I don't
Speaker 6: want to fly past here and act like Jay didn't
Speaker 6: have a whole temperate hand.
Speaker 2: And I want to know what was the temperature of
Speaker 2: the house with that, because you were there live and direct.
Speaker 1: What was that about? What's going on with it?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, guys.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say when that
Speaker 3: will happen.
Speaker 4: Guess where I.
Speaker 1: Was not sleeping sleep, I know, I didn't see.
Speaker 4: The fucking countdown clock.
Speaker 3: Came on and I made a smoothie and I came
Speaker 3: up and someone drunk it.
Speaker 4: So I was really pissed.
Speaker 3: So I made another smoothe which had laxatives in it
Speaker 3: and put it in the fridge and I was like,
Speaker 3: she want to fuck with me, I'm going to fuck
Speaker 3: with you back. But I don't know if they would
Speaker 3: stayed in the fridge and know and drank it.
Speaker 4: So I think you knew about.
Speaker 1: It, But Zarah, you got some hidden spice in there.
Speaker 4: That's like, but I saw it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I saw the reaction on Jay, I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, unfortunately came as a bitch. You guys
Speaker 3: have the decision to not make it a stalemate. You
Speaker 3: really wanted to, Ed wanted to, so like you can't
Speaker 3: blame the girls for not doing what you said, Like
Speaker 3: you have a voice as well. And I just thought
Speaker 3: that was really unfair. And you know what, like yeah
Speaker 3: you got told.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, oh my goodness, Like that was
Speaker 1: really his brother.
Speaker 3: And I had also they were so good at keeping
Speaker 3: that alliance hidden because I had no idea Saf was
Speaker 3: a double agent. I had no idea what was happening
Speaker 3: with Melissa. I was like, he was coming.
Speaker 4: To me, but I could smell that he was off.
Speaker 4: I smell that Saf was like dead fish because.
Speaker 3: He was like lying, going, oh, I only work out
Speaker 3: for forty five minutes a week.
Speaker 4: I was like, Babe, look at those muscles on you.
Speaker 3: That's a clear lie. He was asking how to run
Speaker 3: and like really obvious questions to seem dumb, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm really not sure what's going on.
Speaker 1: Here, but you're not for yeah, unnecessary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like really unnecessary.
Speaker 3: Wow, And the fact of that needed to be like
Speaker 3: so in your face, like what's going on, Like something's wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like he thinks that he's playing because we
Speaker 1: got a lot of feedback to we had him on
Speaker 1: the podcast recently. We got a lot of feedback about
Speaker 1: that episode, and I feel like the vibe is he
Speaker 1: thinks that he's playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers.
Speaker 1: But really I feel like he's playing we're playing. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's playing, you know, and not even playing it to
Speaker 1: win when everyone else is like running a marathon, like
Speaker 1: they're just not even in the same speed, they're just
Speaker 1: not the same at all.
Speaker 3: But he thinks.
Speaker 1: That he's like, you know, oh, I'm playing chess and
Speaker 1: they're playing checkers. Nah, dude, we're over here in the
Speaker 1: theater watching a movie. You're playing Uno by yourself, Like
Speaker 1: what this is I wouldn't even say, oh, no, friend
Speaker 1: is playing Connect four. Okay, we have to take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back after this. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get back to the show. You know you're working
Speaker 1: with Kylin's new alliance. How did that evolution come to be?
Speaker 3: So it was originally Kylin then Orasio then the recent
Speaker 3: Osio started dating, and I would sayso was like, after James,
Speaker 3: the closest person to me in the house, because just
Speaker 3: we have the same interest, you know, like sports running.
Speaker 3: When he wasn't like there was an episode when the
Speaker 3: girls were trying to say, oh, do you not find
Speaker 3: it weird how much time they're spending together.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, just because we both.
Speaker 3: Like running, stop trying to stir the potla, I have
Speaker 3: a boyfriend they're dating.
Speaker 4: And also Nurisa is a really good friend of mine.
Speaker 3: So I saw that and I was like, yeah, so
Speaker 3: aren't you guys supposed to be my friends too? Like weird?
Speaker 3: But then yeah, I guess everybody just realized why not
Speaker 3: create a new alliance, a stronger alliance, a better and
Speaker 3: more loyal one, And we just grouped together, and I
Speaker 3: guess yeah, Island was actually the leader in that and
Speaker 3: put seats everywhere and say, guys come.
Speaker 4: To me, and we're like, hey, that's a fucking good idea.
Speaker 4: Work together. I was like, yeah, I've got a home.
Speaker 3: I literally I was like, I've been exiled from James
Speaker 3: and Marise alliance.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, amen, So Jay and Michelle never
Speaker 2: approached you.
Speaker 1: That was never an option.
Speaker 3: That was never so basically, well, under like Michelle protection
Speaker 3: plan went Callum and.
Speaker 4: Her were dating.
Speaker 1: I love that MPP, the Michelle P.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like protected a little bit. But then
Speaker 4: as soon as Callum.
Speaker 3: Went like bye, I was like, oh great, I'm by
Speaker 3: myself again.
Speaker 4: This is this is nice and lonely.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you didn't meet your deductible. I know you're
Speaker 1: in the UK, so that means nothing to you. But
Speaker 1: here in healthcare in the US, to meet a deductible
Speaker 1: sometimes before they'll cover stuff. So like, you didn't meet
Speaker 1: your deductible, so you got dropped.
Speaker 4: From the MPP.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I didn't need it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, how did you feel? So now you're
Speaker 1: in this new like alliance. So now TJ is shifting
Speaker 1: gears again, we're in conquest. My goodness, you're one of
Speaker 1: the one of the strongest girls in the house, arguably
Speaker 1: the strongest. How are you feeling going into this new chapter?
Speaker 1: Does this excite you? Does it kind of scare you?
Speaker 1: Are you feeling pretty good?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What is?
Speaker 4: What's I'm feeling pretty good. I'm very excited. I actually
Speaker 4: love change.
Speaker 3: I never like to get too comfortable in life because
Speaker 3: I feel like, why would you want to be comfortable?
Speaker 3: Should always be striving and trying to reach new goals,
Speaker 3: new dreams, push your boundaries. So like knowing I could
Speaker 3: do it by myself, also not relying on anyone and
Speaker 3: just thinking to myself that I can sol do it.
Speaker 4: It's like such a big thing for me.
Speaker 3: I think, like growing up, you know, when I was small,
Speaker 3: it sounds so crazy.
Speaker 4: I had so many nannies and I had a lot
Speaker 4: of help.
Speaker 3: So being independent is something that like I really want
Speaker 3: to be, Like even now, my dream my goal is independence.
Speaker 3: Like I don't live off my parents. I make my
Speaker 3: own money, and I just want to give back to them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, for me, doing things by myself means like
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a freedom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's freedom exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we can see that I feel like it
Speaker 1: really shows and how you move throughout the game. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now walk us through this scary ass challenge and
Speaker 1: what I mean by scary? It's the dead of night?
Speaker 1: Why TJ? Why is it? Oh my god? Swimming in
Speaker 1: fine like whatever, but nobody can see.
Speaker 4: Like I there was fish you could sort jumping on
Speaker 4: top of the water in there.
Speaker 3: Anybody got under each ship. I was like, maybe there's
Speaker 3: baby shop.
Speaker 4: It's going to bite someone now.
Speaker 1: Yes, there probably were. There probably really were dead of night.
Speaker 1: So was anyone freaking out that we didn't see? Was
Speaker 1: anyone freaking out about this particular challenge and going in
Speaker 1: the water at night time? What how are you feeling
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 4: Honestly, this is what I live for.
Speaker 3: I would have paid to have done this, Like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I was so excited apart from I've never
Speaker 3: paddle boarded in my life. I mean, I'd been on
Speaker 3: the paddle board. I just wasn't paddling. My boyfriend was.
Speaker 3: I was Princess paddle and I was thinking, fuck, why
Speaker 3: didn't I try this?
Speaker 4: And we just went to balley and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, god, damn, I got a good tan, but
Speaker 3: I didn't learn any new skills.
Speaker 1: Is it hard? Like what was the trick?
Speaker 2: Because I was in here trying to figure out like
Speaker 2: if you go left and it goes right.
Speaker 4: I came second to last in that. I was like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: And also the trick is to get your paddle board
Speaker 3: the right way round. They even said to us before
Speaker 3: the light is at the back. But because obviously I
Speaker 3: hit my head quite hard while I got the water,
Speaker 3: I didn't see if the light was on the back
Speaker 3: of the front, so I think I was going to
Speaker 3: get the Finn was going against the water as well,
Speaker 3: but I knew I was a laugh so I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm okay.
Speaker 4: But it was just fucking wild and crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, losing Raven.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was heart breaking.
Speaker 2: That was that had Yeah, because in my opinion, you
Speaker 2: and her were the girls to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had our own secret alliance, like at night,
Speaker 3: so we were in the beds next.
Speaker 4: To each other and were my number one.
Speaker 3: And then she'll be like and it's like we found
Speaker 3: each other, like because she obviously was an exile from
Speaker 3: her allians and I never had a true alliance, Like
Speaker 3: through the whole thing, I didn't know you had to
Speaker 3: make alliances before you.
Speaker 4: Got in the house. That wasn't like, girl, I haven't
Speaker 4: really done the challenge made.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, there's the way it to become. It
Speaker 1: wasn't always that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was just like, I'm just gonna play
Speaker 3: with whoever likes me and whoever I like because I
Speaker 3: need to know I can trust them. And they've all
Speaker 3: obviously built like bonds and relationships over like the past year,
Speaker 3: or they know each other well, and I don't really
Speaker 3: know anyone well. So I was like, you got to
Speaker 3: earn my trust. I can't just trust anybody. So I was,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go in the house and see the vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: big mistake.
Speaker 1: Well, I also think too, the dynamic for this is
Speaker 1: interesting and different because I do feel like when you
Speaker 1: have people who've played the game a lot, whether it
Speaker 1: be like the old old old school bets or even
Speaker 1: just the new school old school bets, they'll make alliances,
Speaker 1: but because there's a certain level of like confidence and
Speaker 1: familiarity with the game, those alliances only mean so much usually, right, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll make an alliance, but like you know, there's still
Speaker 1: some side Eyron changing. But here because there's so many
Speaker 1: new people. You guys don't know. People are really leaning
Speaker 1: heavy on whatever was said right before they got in
Speaker 1: that house, like leaning really heavy on it.
Speaker 3: But in a way, I was also happy because you
Speaker 3: saw how like friendships which actually were real friendship broke,
Speaker 3: you know, and so I'm kind of happy I didn't
Speaker 3: get my heart broken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, going back to those forming the
Speaker 2: alliances before and then coming into the game and figuring
Speaker 2: these things out, because what we're hearing in the confessionals
Speaker 2: are a lot of people saying.
Speaker 1: I regret what I did.
Speaker 2: I regret a lot of that, and you're hearing a
Speaker 2: lot of regrets, and I think it was I'm confident
Speaker 2: it was Johnny. Johnny Bananas once said I'm gonna butcher this,
Speaker 2: but I think you guys will get the point. He said,
Speaker 2: the greatest thing you can do in this game is
Speaker 2: be able to adapt. So regardless, So whatever happened in
Speaker 2: the beginning, once you come in here and you see
Speaker 2: that the fish are swimming the other way, yeah.
Speaker 4: Way I got back on. I was just trying to
Speaker 4: keep swimming. I was like, just keep swimming, just running.
Speaker 1: That's that's been the theme of this podcast.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Who else were you connected to in the house that
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see, Like, what are some of
Speaker 1: the moments that were most meaningful for you or just
Speaker 1: had an impact in terms of how you view the
Speaker 1: game that maybe haven't been shown.
Speaker 3: So you don't see like Nuris's and my friendship evolved,
Speaker 3: but we got really close and it was actually just
Speaker 3: like because we're so different, but we're very similar at
Speaker 3: the same time, and it was just nice to have
Speaker 3: like that bond and also with Raven. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: like on the Boat Days, everybody does let loose. Everyone
Speaker 3: puts that kind of differences aside, and it's nice just
Speaker 3: to have fun and encourage.
Speaker 4: And motivate each other.
Speaker 3: Like I want to do a backflip and everyone's actually
Speaker 3: encouraging me, and I was just like, because I've never
Speaker 3: done one of.
Speaker 1: The boat before, sorry, just go I've never done this,
Speaker 1: but let me do it right now in this moment.
Speaker 4: Let me just know what now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I was like, Ship, I could have broken my neck,
Speaker 3: and they all like, yeah, go for it, and then urag, we're.
Speaker 1: Going to get her out of here.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the moments when everybody actually gets the chill and
Speaker 3: be themselves.
Speaker 4: We were good. They were good. I can't really think
Speaker 4: of many right now. I'm sorry. It's it's my witty warmers.
Speaker 4: They've got to come off my seat. I'm overheating now.
Speaker 1: Her weedy warmers, by the way, or her house. She
Speaker 1: put in the microwave before we started recording this episode
Speaker 1: so that they were fresh and warm for her. Gonna
Speaker 1: have to put that on my bucket list.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so good.
Speaker 2: So I want to jump right on this new voting
Speaker 2: style right Yes, comes in and he's like, yeah, so
Speaker 2: now we're gonna pick the baseball team and make sure
Speaker 2: you're not the final three on the baseball team.
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Because you have your alliance, but you also know that
Speaker 2: you're not really in with the other side, So how
Speaker 2: how did you think that was gonna play out?
Speaker 4: So honestly, you mean like after ED one?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, let's go with that.
Speaker 4: Yep, yes, so ED one.
Speaker 3: I was like ed everybody said your name, like Jay,
Speaker 3: your number one has said your name, Like, why wouldn't
Speaker 3: you want to come with us?
Speaker 4: You can see what all really strong contenders.
Speaker 3: We will protect you, but he obviously just was laughing
Speaker 3: his ass while we were saying this.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was actually a smart move on
Speaker 1: his part the way that he ended up doing it,
Speaker 1: or do you think he was dumb and he is
Speaker 1: at risk very soon?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Even j said like he's in it to win it,
Speaker 3: like he would be one of the top contenders to
Speaker 3: win the whole thing. So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I definitely think that Jay would want to get ed
Speaker 4: out if he was made the final.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you think Jay's just waiting for the right
Speaker 1: time and Ed's being dumb. But given that because when
Speaker 1: you which by the way, for everyone listening, and we've
Speaker 1: given a lot of smack to a lot of people
Speaker 1: who come on this season, and they're political gameplay a
Speaker 1: lot of people because for many it has not been
Speaker 1: great a lot of we there's a long list of
Speaker 1: people and they know who they are. No not you, no,
Speaker 1: no no, no, you're aout other people, not you, But
Speaker 1: just saying that's my point is you, However, Zara, this
Speaker 1: is an example. Now granted it didn't work, but this
Speaker 1: is an example of how you do political gameplay. I
Speaker 1: thought it was very well done. The way that you
Speaker 1: presented it to Ed, Ed just didn't necessarily see it.
Speaker 1: I will say my one question though, because you raised
Speaker 1: the point with Ed when you were talking about hey,
Speaker 1: you know, hey save us. We'll look out for you
Speaker 1: if you look out for us. You said you do
Speaker 1: realize the people on Ed's current alliance, like Jay, already
Speaker 1: recognize your threat, so you know that they're going to
Speaker 1: try and get rid of you as soon as they can.
Speaker 1: But what's to say that the strong guys on your
Speaker 1: alliance as who also likely recognized Ed as a threat,
Speaker 1: wouldn't also take that quick opportunity when the timing is right.
Speaker 1: That was my only kind of question as you're pitching
Speaker 1: that to Ed.
Speaker 7: Okay, I I know I know exactly why, because like
Speaker 7: the two guys Kyleen and Ratio, they are leaders, they're legends,
Speaker 7: they're they're athletes.
Speaker 3: They're so strong that they want to fight against the
Speaker 3: best because otherwise they won't feel like the championship is deserved.
Speaker 3: The other people are just fucking scared out with putting bitches.
Speaker 4: Jennie, I love everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, people can't hate you for speaking the truth.
Speaker 4: I understand everyone's playing a scared game. That are like
Speaker 4: oh no, we got to get this person. They want
Speaker 4: to get this person.
Speaker 3: My my alliance like actively said, I want to play
Speaker 3: against the best.
Speaker 4: That's the whole battle. It's champion.
Speaker 3: So like none of my alliance was afraid to go down.
Speaker 3: Kyland won twice.
Speaker 1: Even Harassio said take save one of the girls. Right
Speaker 1: to know, he said, save the girls, don't save me,
Speaker 1: which that's boyfriend material right there alone. You may not communicate,
Speaker 1: but I love that he didn't want to put his
Speaker 1: girl in an even more stressful spot, whereas James. You
Speaker 1: already know what James would be doing. Look out for
Speaker 1: self and all right. I love that Harassio was like,
Speaker 1: don't even worry about me, you save one of your girls,
Speaker 1: which I thought was just very sweet but good points
Speaker 1: as I was actually.
Speaker 3: Telling Nourice actually instead of just and sorry, instead of
Speaker 3: saving Olivia to say Borascio, because Rastio can win challenges,
Speaker 3: keep her in the gate, keep her s.
Speaker 1: Smart, you know that's what and.
Speaker 3: That's why she was so so like split in two.
Speaker 3: But she's true to her words, she's true to her friendships,
Speaker 3: and she's like honestly a good person, like she wouldn't
Speaker 3: go back.
Speaker 1: I respect that so much.
Speaker 4: And that's also one of the reasons why I love her.
Speaker 4: She speaks the truth and she does what she says
Speaker 4: she's gonna do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: That's scary because even though I do respect what she did,
Speaker 2: it's a scary situation because had what if Harasio did
Speaker 2: not come back?
Speaker 1: Because who can she depend on? Kyl, don't you think, Sasa? No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I was just rethinking.
Speaker 1: But I really hope that those guys go back in
Speaker 1: and a binge zaza of bing and like just start
Speaker 1: tearing up stuff in the house because watching Jay play
Speaker 1: such a messy game without getting his hands dirty at all,
Speaker 1: without at least being honest about that, he can't that.
Speaker 3: He like episode since the last episode, since Chaos, that's
Speaker 3: when things really hit the fad, Like that's when it
Speaker 3: started getting juicy what I.
Speaker 2: Mean in the house.
Speaker 1: You feel like it was pretty quick because watching it
Speaker 1: so far, we've just been seeing this build up. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was a.
Speaker 3: Big build up exactly, and then it's just like exposure,
Speaker 3: like it was the cracks need to happen.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like Jay has Michelle's back as much
Speaker 1: as Michelle has Jay's back because we saw them kind
Speaker 1: of talk about that in an earlier episode.
Speaker 4: No, I do. I do think they have each other's back,
Speaker 4: like one hundred percent. They're both like each other's number ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 4: I do believe that.
Speaker 1: I need to do.
Speaker 3: To because they have years of friendship behind them and
Speaker 3: they dated.
Speaker 1: Yes, they I know, we've talked. I believe it.
Speaker 2: I feel like there will you know, as we saw
Speaker 2: with the crack in this episode, I feel like there
Speaker 2: will be more cracks because the pressure moting up there,
Speaker 2: and so I do think more of that will occur.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I do believe
Speaker 2: that that is a duo that needs to be watched
Speaker 2: in this season and future seasons. It's like certain pairs
Speaker 2: that you just know it's weird, but it's like siblings.
Speaker 3: That sounds yeah, but it's like they have a bond
Speaker 3: that like will not be broken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really strong, which that part's actually really nice
Speaker 1: to see. I will say, though, I feel like this
Speaker 1: will be I mean, we obviously don't know what themes
Speaker 1: of other like future seasons or season forty or anything
Speaker 1: that will be. But I feel like this, to me
Speaker 1: right now, this is the only time it would work
Speaker 1: from Michell and j like that because they have so
Speaker 1: many novices in the game this season. And then even
Speaker 1: the people who are really strong, I feel like are
Speaker 1: now just coming into recognizing, like you, how strong and
Speaker 1: powerful you actually are in the game, so it words
Speaker 1: to their advantage. But any other time they have any
Speaker 1: other people that have played played well a Tory Akara,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, Remember, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like they're going to dominate the same way.
Speaker 3: They can smell it from a mile loss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Or if there were other pairs in there,
Speaker 2: like if you had a Polly and Akara or a
Speaker 2: Kam and Alee or Alee and Bananas or stuff, if
Speaker 2: you had those pairs in there, it would work like that.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just because I we're all so new to it.
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, like knowing half of the house helps
Speaker 3: before you come in being friends, because someone would rather
Speaker 3: get rid of like the annoying person than your friends first,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, even if you're not in the same alliance.
Speaker 1: Right yea, yeah, although who was the annoying you? Who
Speaker 1: he first? And everybody loved?
Speaker 4: Who I loved?
Speaker 1: Who I know, everybody did that was sad.
Speaker 4: She was like, goodbye, I didn't love you.
Speaker 1: Who And then when Corey was being annoying He's calm
Speaker 1: down now. But when he was being annoying, people kept
Speaker 1: him around. It made no sense.
Speaker 4: Honestly.
Speaker 2: That's because he was a number for them, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and also he was now he's kill Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think you know in the house, Yeah, everything is
Speaker 5: amplified and you lose yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't, but I'm thinking maybe what happened to him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people you're being so kind. What do you
Speaker 1: think of the position? Actually have two? Okay, pretty chuper
Speaker 1: question the warm up. Okay, we talked to Michelle about this,
Speaker 1: who cares very much about Mariah, right, and we also
Speaker 1: just watched it on the show. You know, Michelle having
Speaker 1: concerned initially because we've seen Mariah really go out on
Speaker 1: limbs for James, right, and in a way that's very
Speaker 1: different than I'd want to say Nourice and Harassio operate,
Speaker 1: meaning Nourice clearly goes on limbs for Harasio and vice versa.
Speaker 1: But it's like a mutual thing where we see Mariah
Speaker 1: go on a limb a lot, especially in earlier episodes
Speaker 1: for James in a way that didn't feel as a
Speaker 1: viewer reciprocate, DM, what do you and Michelle had expressed
Speaker 1: a few episodes ago she was concerned that that was
Speaker 1: going to put Maria at risk and like that it
Speaker 1: was kind of you know, shaking up her. Yeah, being
Speaker 1: so close in that environment. What were your thoughts around
Speaker 1: the position sort of James put Mariah in or like
Speaker 1: that dynamic with that relationship.
Speaker 3: In Yeah, well, I definitely think James was Maria's possible
Speaker 3: in the whole season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Like he if he had the opportunity to save I
Speaker 3: truly think that he would have saved him. But he
Speaker 3: just never really won any challenges apart from the movie
Speaker 3: Final which Mariah was in, so they were safe together, right.
Speaker 3: And then I think James obviously was being used by
Speaker 3: the American Alliance, but he just wanted to be a
Speaker 3: part of it and he thought they had his back.
Speaker 3: But that's what I was trying to explain to him.
Speaker 3: I was like, none of you're at the bottom of
Speaker 3: their list, like you're at the top of mine. I'm
Speaker 3: actually out here winning challenges and friend for.
Speaker 4: Us exactly what my loan?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, God, and then what about what do you
Speaker 1: think about the position that Jay has now put in
Speaker 1: a recent in this episode, So as we're watching the eliminations,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's geared it up to put it
Speaker 1: on Maurice, what were your feelings about that and how
Speaker 1: he played it?
Speaker 3: Well, you know in the beginning of the episode, and
Speaker 3: Kylon's laughing at a different situation and he's taking it
Speaker 3: as a staff and he's like what did he say,
Speaker 3: like that's so inhumane or something or to you?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because somebody his family and his child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Kylein wasn't actually laughing about that situation. He
Speaker 3: was actually laughing that like, oh, you tried to get
Speaker 3: us to go home and one of you's gone home.
Speaker 4: It was like nothing to do.
Speaker 3: With the saff specifically, right, Yeah, it wasn't like about
Speaker 3: him praying or anything like that. He's like, you're oh,
Speaker 3: you're so inhumane, And I thought that was in Jumane,
Speaker 3: like you're happy that she has to pick between her
Speaker 3: boyfriend and her best friend, Like whatever personal are you
Speaker 3: putting her in a situation when you were supposed to
Speaker 3: be Oh the Fantastic four like looking in there, that's
Speaker 3: all I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to say I hate people who have doubles.
Speaker 1: Standards, especially because they're supposed to be friends friends outside
Speaker 1: of the show. I wish your friends.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I actually I get on with ya,
Speaker 4: Like Jane.
Speaker 3: This is the first time that I'm seeing this, and
Speaker 3: it's actually kind of shocking because I would never put
Speaker 3: my friend. I'm so loyal, Like I would always take
Speaker 3: a bullet for my friend, Like no matter what it's
Speaker 3: like sometimes it's like hard to like get to know
Speaker 3: the real me because I do have barriers up.
Speaker 4: But when you know me, that's it, Like you're my
Speaker 4: chosen family.
Speaker 3: And I felt like that's what they had from like
Speaker 3: how they were together.
Speaker 4: And then just to see this like hah, You're gonna
Speaker 4: have to choose now, and I've come up with this
Speaker 4: muster plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, so clearly, yeah, you're on different sides now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was really that was like beyond. That
Speaker 1: was inhumane, if you will. In the gameplay, that was
Speaker 1: beyond Who do you think ultimately has the best strategy
Speaker 1: in the game so far? Like whose gameplay are you
Speaker 1: admiring right now?
Speaker 4: I'm like, who's not being noticed?
Speaker 3: There's a lot of loud characters. I just feel like
Speaker 3: there's not one specific person. I think everybody needs to
Speaker 3: brush up on their gameplay, the strategy because the obviously
Speaker 3: the American life, it's so messy, it's so.
Speaker 4: Open, it's so obvious. I feel like our alliance is
Speaker 4: just building.
Speaker 3: If we would have done this like a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks before, we had a fighting chance, yeah, so yeah
Speaker 3: next time.
Speaker 4: I feel like I did pretty well of staying under
Speaker 4: the radar.
Speaker 3: But I also think if I didn't win so many times,
Speaker 3: I would definitely be in the sampit. So I don't
Speaker 3: think that even cancels me having a good strategy.
Speaker 1: Well, you had a great job though, of winning. I
Speaker 1: was looking at the stats the other day, and you,
Speaker 1: I think had the most daily win certainly, or we're
Speaker 1: close to it. We're very close to it. So your
Speaker 1: elimination this season and even Ravens both this was a
Speaker 1: shock episode. This is just like a double mammy of
Speaker 1: an episode. Oh my oh god.
Speaker 3: Raven and I were working it out and she was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I go out in the next episode, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: I go out after you.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god. It's like Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 4: You know we both die in the same episode. This
Speaker 4: is so.
Speaker 1: Sad, so sad. Yeah, this one was hard. Okay, so
Speaker 1: now that you're gone, but we know one day you
Speaker 1: will be back. Yeah, who are you rooting for to win?
Speaker 1: Who do you want to now? Yes? What girl? And
Speaker 1: then what guy? No?
Speaker 4: Is one hundred percent. I know she can fucking smash
Speaker 4: it out of the water.
Speaker 3: Like I think with her, she's like secretly smart.
Speaker 4: She's she's going to puzzle as great aduke.
Speaker 3: She was doing him on the bus and even though
Speaker 3: she doesn't work out, she has surprisingly good endurance. I'm like, go,
Speaker 3: like that's crazy. And then for the guys Orasio and.
Speaker 4: Obviously Kyland, Yeah, yeah, they deserve it, and they play
Speaker 4: all play an honest game.
Speaker 3: They don't stab each other in the back, and I
Speaker 3: just think it's so important and it's a beautiful thing
Speaker 3: to see, like someone getting to the end without stabbing
Speaker 3: anyone in the back.
Speaker 4: And it's like it's quite rare as well. So obviously
Speaker 4: it's not that juicy to watch, but but.
Speaker 1: I definitely think you can get to the end that way.
Speaker 1: It's possible. Who do you want to see go home? Next?
Speaker 4: Well? That would be our little friend Jimmy Dodger.
Speaker 1: Wait, who have these? Okay, okay, I don't know. Wait day,
Speaker 1: did you know who that was?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: House girl? I have? Therefore a reunion and I had
Speaker 1: some Oh I've been I have no idea what that.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, got it?
Speaker 1: Well, my goodness. Is there anything else that you want
Speaker 1: the people to know that you like, your your final
Speaker 1: thing for us to remember to keep an eye out
Speaker 1: for or swipe blink for those house shoes? Whatever? Is
Speaker 1: there anything?
Speaker 3: Put those house shoes on my instam story?
Speaker 4: Honestly, just I didn't know I speak, I guess, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I Like I said in the last episode,
Speaker 3: I never realized how much the challenge actually meant to
Speaker 3: me until like I was living it, and it's something
Speaker 3: that's brought me so much happiness, so much determination, and
Speaker 3: it's like it's really a self development retreat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just want to be the.
Speaker 4: Best version of yourself.
Speaker 3: And I can't thank everybody enough for, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: choosing me and supporting me and putting me in this
Speaker 3: crazy fucking house even though at times I'm like I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to do a little bitch, but.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's definitely me. I'm the only one crying.
Speaker 4: But no, I just can't wait to like show you
Speaker 4: what a champion I can be in.
Speaker 3: The future season because I will be back hopefully and
Speaker 3: I'm going to start doing some puzzles and.
Speaker 4: Some maths, so I don't suck it to Loko.
Speaker 1: Now, you are a champion for Sureza. And uh, for
Speaker 1: those who want to follow you or get your house shoes, slippers,
Speaker 1: where can they find you? On social you.
Speaker 3: Can find me ansars often, so it's not on Instagram.
Speaker 3: And also about that, Zarza is my nickname and my
Speaker 3: friends called me that, so that's why everyone in the
Speaker 3: season was.
Speaker 4: Saying, I got a lot of people, but your name's
Speaker 4: not Za, and I was like, it's on my necklace
Speaker 4: and it's my nickname.
Speaker 1: Guys, Oh my god, David to me anyway, supery, we
Speaker 1: love you, Zaza.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love you, guys. And it sounds like personality.
Speaker 2: That's all right, day and dad, and you never know what, Okay, it.
Speaker 1: Is so fun having you.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Legend has it that that Laxative smoothie is still sitting
Speaker 1: somewhere in Croatia and a refrigerator waiting for someone. But
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and we cannot wait to
Speaker 1: see you back soon. And you really are an inspiration
Speaker 1: to watch watch game beautiful on the inside in the app.
Speaker 3: You guys are amazing. Thank you so much and I
Speaker 3: can't wait to be back.
Speaker 1: Uh Sasa is just literally a ball of sunshine and
Speaker 1: energy and light all the things. It's so great having
Speaker 1: her on the podcast, Like really just such a great energy.
Speaker 1: I'm just feeling so light and good. I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't want this to end. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: i'd go look at your social media davon, your Instagram,
Speaker 1: your Twitter, and see what you're up to to keep
Speaker 1: the fun going. Where can other people go and find
Speaker 1: You can find me on the instagrams yes, Kiera one.
Speaker 2: Of our faithful, faithful listeners. She said, I sound like
Speaker 2: her grandma, Granny knows best. You can find me on
Speaker 2: the instagrams okay at davon Diane Underscore. Can also find
Speaker 2: me on TikTok at day Diane. You can find me
Speaker 2: on Twitter. Steal in these streets, steal in these streets
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Speaker 2: You will be able to find me back on YouTube
Speaker 2: six in February.
Speaker 1: In February, maybe we should do a video together day.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. We should, we should, We'll talk
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, we'll talk about it. Yes, And if
Speaker 1: you want to find me, you can go to my
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Speaker 1: Kay, I gotta go get some house slippers I can
Speaker 1: put in the microwave.