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Speaker 2: Okay, my guest today the most decorated female skier of
Speaker 2: all time. Eighty two World Cup wins, twenty World Cup titles,
Speaker 2: three Olympic gold medals.
Speaker 1: Tell me, Lindsay, if any of this is wrong, a
Speaker 1: little wrong, I'm correct me as I go, be like
Speaker 1: my hype.
Speaker 3: Girl, tell me the correct twenty world gig titles, three
Speaker 3: Olympic medals. Yeah, you got the twenty titles, three Olympic
Speaker 3: men on. All of them are gold. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: we could fudge that, but you can say it. I
Speaker 3: didn't say it. Okay, and someone broke my record, but
Speaker 3: I'm still the greatest downhiller of all time. Okay, we can, like,
Speaker 3: you know, we can maneuver that. But here's its relatively close.
Speaker 1: No, I like the seven World Championship medals.
Speaker 3: I think it's eight.
Speaker 1: Talk that shit.
Speaker 2: Lindsay author, philanthropists and overall badass Lindsay Vaughn is here today.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, hi, Lindsay I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy you asked me.
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I DM Lindsay and I said, hey, you want to
Speaker 2: be slid to her dam I was like, hey, boo, would.
Speaker 1: You consider me on my podcast? She was like, I
Speaker 1: love center.
Speaker 2: I'm in Yeah, I love that. So our first meeting,
Speaker 2: do you remember when we first met. Was it PR's
Speaker 2: birthday or was it it was Pr who works with
Speaker 2: spring Hill, So all the spring Hill guys were there,
Speaker 2: Rich Paul Mav who works with lebron Uh and Lindsay
Speaker 2: and I were at this long dinner table and we
Speaker 2: sat across from each other, and I have to be honest,
Speaker 2: I didn't I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know who you were either.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We just talked for like hours.
Speaker 2: We didn't know who each other were. We just on
Speaker 2: a human level, just started chatting. And then you I
Speaker 2: had I was what I was years ago, so I
Speaker 2: was probably fresh off of like car accident. I was
Speaker 2: still not moving well, and we started talking about injury.
Speaker 2: Told you how to broke my back, and then you
Speaker 2: got into oh, well I broke my this, and I broke.
Speaker 1: My that, and I broke and then so now we're across.
Speaker 2: The table talking about our injuries, and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: so anyway, so yeah, because I was in a car accident,
Speaker 2: so how'd you get your injuries?
Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, I'm a skier.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you're a skier. And as I
Speaker 2: say that, MAV walks.
Speaker 1: By and he goes and she's the greatest skier of
Speaker 1: all time. I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then I became obsessed with you, and then watched
Speaker 2: a documentary which was beautiful than you, and I kind
Speaker 2: of watched a lot of your falls and spills. I
Speaker 2: could hardly watch them. I could can't really bear it.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I watched them, so you should be.
Speaker 2: Let's start there. Let's start with your ability to well
Speaker 2: the injuries.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, I'm thinking I'm talking to a like like a
Speaker 2: personal we've had similar which is not the case.
Speaker 3: No, it's true, honestly, probably car accidents worse.
Speaker 1: And because there's trump with there's trauma in that. But
Speaker 1: I would imagine there's trauma in your spills.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm actually a little bit weird in
Speaker 3: that way. I don't know car the trauma. I've actually
Speaker 3: talked to my therapist and he's like, Okay, let's let's
Speaker 3: break down the trauma. Like, I actually don't have any traual.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, you know, it happened, I'm injured,
Speaker 3: Like I have to find a way through it. There's
Speaker 3: no point in going back and holding on to whatever
Speaker 3: it is that happened. And I always just look forward,
Speaker 3: you know. And that's just and I it's easier said
Speaker 3: than done. No, it's fascinating, but it's just how my
Speaker 3: mind works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you have to learn that or was
Speaker 1: that always like that?
Speaker 3: I think it honestly just comes from perspective from my mom.
Speaker 3: She had a stroke when she had me, and she
Speaker 3: was a bit disabled from she had She had problems
Speaker 3: with her ankle, so she couldn't run, she couldn't ski
Speaker 3: with me, she couldn't bike. She had really a lot
Speaker 3: of trouble with her balance. But it was something that
Speaker 3: she no matter what she did, she could never overcome it.
Speaker 3: And so I had this perspective of Okay, I'm out
Speaker 3: here doing what I love to do. I got hurt.
Speaker 3: I can be fixed, you know. I just have surgery.
Speaker 3: I have to do the work, and I'll be back
Speaker 3: on the mountain. So it was not like my mom
Speaker 3: who can't right right, So that was always my first back.
Speaker 3: If I was lucky to have the opportunity to come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty great because I fat and it's inspiring
Speaker 2: to me so deeply because I had so much trauma.
Speaker 2: And then I'm at a point it's been like four years,
Speaker 2: and actually the trauma I think made me better. It
Speaker 2: made me like roll out things projects like this, and
Speaker 2: it made me slow down my.
Speaker 1: Life and all types of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I realize now, just now four years later, that
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm holding onto the trauma a little bit
Speaker 2: too much. And I see somebody like you, and I'm
Speaker 2: watching footage of you, like rolling down a hill at
Speaker 2: eighty after skiing eighty miles an hour, and then you're
Speaker 2: like getting up and like, okay, fix my name because
Speaker 2: I got to get back out there, which is insane.
Speaker 3: I'm a little insane, it is true, But I just
Speaker 3: think I think about it logically, and what's the point
Speaker 3: of hanging onto it. It's only hurting me, Like I
Speaker 3: need to learn have perspective from what happened, and how
Speaker 3: can I be better going forward? And I've always felt
Speaker 3: that all of my injuries have given me, you know,
Speaker 3: life lessons. I've become a better person, a stronger person mentally.
Speaker 3: I just learned so much about myself. And it's hard
Speaker 3: to like make something positive out of something that's so
Speaker 3: traumatic and negative. You know, if you look at all
Speaker 3: the things that you've done since your car crash, you
Speaker 3: know it's changed for you know, you know it's giving
Speaker 3: you a different level of drive. That's really positive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's totally positive. I just think I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of fear.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes i'm driving, I have like a little flashback
Speaker 2: or that's normal sometimes.
Speaker 1: I just had these shots done.
Speaker 2: Shout out to doctor Abby by the way he gave
Speaker 2: me these. I tried these like plasma injections therapy, No,
Speaker 2: not PRP is a new thing that he does them
Speaker 2: in Miami.
Speaker 1: It's placenta. It's placenta injection.
Speaker 2: Into the scar tissue breaks up, the scar tissue gets
Speaker 2: mobility and all of that. And I was so irritable
Speaker 2: from just a little numbing shots and he was like,
Speaker 2: it's not that painful.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, it's not that painful. I'm just
Speaker 1: freaking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, yeah, you're your ground zero, and so
Speaker 2: it's all trauma. And his wife was there, who does
Speaker 2: breath work, so she's helping me breathe through it.
Speaker 1: And I'm laying there in.
Speaker 2: The doctor's office and she's like, you getta breathe through it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is stupid.
Speaker 2: This has been four years, Like like, this is me
Speaker 2: talking to myself. Get over it already, you know.
Speaker 3: Like, but I think it's also important to like acknowledge
Speaker 3: your feelings, you know, like and then get over it
Speaker 3: well at some point. At some point, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think it's a process, yeah, you know, and everyone, like
Speaker 3: I process certain things differently than others in skiing and
Speaker 3: crashing is just something that I have a weird way
Speaker 3: of processing. But it's important to acknowledge the feelings, and
Speaker 3: I think sometimes we try to push them away and
Speaker 3: that actually makes it worse because we're not acknowledging it.
Speaker 3: I think we have to acknowledge it, process it, and
Speaker 3: then we can move forward. I just do that really quickly.
Speaker 1: And skiing it's fascinating to me. I think there's so
Speaker 1: much to learn in that.
Speaker 2: But have you had to deal with in other parts too,
Speaker 2: or is it just skiing, Like, have you had any other.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've said had three since I've retired from skiing.
Speaker 1: You recover from those?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be a lifelong process,
Speaker 3: to be honest. I have a plate and eighteen screws
Speaker 3: in my arm and it's just it's always there. I
Speaker 3: play tennis all the time, and it just it hurts
Speaker 3: me and it zings me, and you know, it's just
Speaker 3: like a it's never gonna go away. It's always a reminder.
Speaker 3: And my knees like they hurt like hell every morning
Speaker 3: that I wake up. But I also at the same time,
Speaker 3: like I don't regret it. I don't regret any decision
Speaker 3: that I made in my skiing career. I wouldn't change
Speaker 3: it for the world. So I kind of I try
Speaker 3: to think about it as like, hey, I accomplished a
Speaker 3: lot and this is just a reminder of what I
Speaker 3: did in a good way.
Speaker 1: You are so positive.
Speaker 3: Does it never fail you?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: It does? Like skiing is kind of like in my body,
Speaker 3: it's kind of my superpower, and then like emotions are
Speaker 3: not my superpower. So really, yeah, it's like skiing was
Speaker 3: always kind of I put on my Superman You know, costume,
Speaker 3: and it was like my alter ego, and then in
Speaker 3: real life I was never quite as confident. So I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's like my alter ego.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I see that. I feel.
Speaker 2: I always think that, like we've had a couple of
Speaker 2: great athletes on the Pie, we had Derek Jeter, Mike Tyson,
Speaker 2: and I always think there's something about extraordinary athletes that you
Speaker 2: have to have some sort of critical moments and then
Speaker 2: to perform at your best, because a lot of us
Speaker 2: would get like in.
Speaker 1: Those critical moments, we get scared the most.
Speaker 2: That's what we are the most, Like, oh god, it's
Speaker 2: the big moment.
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous.
Speaker 3: Like you get love for those moments, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: You have that too, You have that you live for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I don't know. I always go back
Speaker 3: to Billy Jean King like pressure as a privilege, and
Speaker 3: I look at it as such an amazing opportunity. And
Speaker 3: of course when I was younger, you know, I did
Speaker 3: get really nervous and I had to figure out a way,
Speaker 3: you know, to deal with it. But once I like
Speaker 3: figured it out and I harnessed it and I use
Speaker 3: it to my advantage like I use those emotions to
Speaker 3: propel me down the mountain. It's so empowering once you
Speaker 3: do get it, because it's it is an opportunity, you know,
Speaker 3: and and if you fuck it up, you fuck it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's life.
Speaker 3: But I like going in just full steam ahead. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm prepared, I'm driven. I'm gonna try my best at this.
Speaker 3: If I fail, flat out my face, which I've done
Speaker 3: many times in not just skiing, but that's you know,
Speaker 3: that's life. I learn and I move forward.
Speaker 1: How did you figure it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What did you figure out? What is the thing?
Speaker 2: Like? Was there something you learned to tell yourself? What
Speaker 2: is the conversation in your head that gets you from.
Speaker 3: Never be afraid to fail? Because whenever I was afraid
Speaker 3: to fall or afraid not to succeed, I was done.
Speaker 3: Forget it. My might as well not even have started
Speaker 3: the race. You have to be willing to put yourself
Speaker 3: out there, which you know again like no one wants
Speaker 3: to be disappointed. No one wants to let yourself down
Speaker 3: or other people's down. People down, my parents down, my
Speaker 3: family down. Once you can move past that and say,
Speaker 3: you know who cares? I'm gonna try my best. If
Speaker 3: I fail trying my best, there's nothing more I could
Speaker 3: have done, you know what I mean. So I think
Speaker 3: there's a piece in that almost Yeah, but yeahah, like
Speaker 3: you have to be okay with you know, giving your
Speaker 3: best and never having regrets. Regrets are or again another
Speaker 3: piece of the puzzle that will eat you alive.
Speaker 1: Fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you just tell yourself, fuck it, fuck it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares?
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 1: Try my best?
Speaker 2: If I fall on my face at eighty miles an hour, literally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I in front of the whole world. I actually
Speaker 3: talked a lot with The Rock with DJ about it
Speaker 3: as well. We're on the same page in that sense,
Speaker 3: you know, never be afraid to fail, like always putting
Speaker 3: yourself out there, and it's a hard thing to actually do.
Speaker 3: You know, it's easy to say, but it's sometimes really
Speaker 3: hard to do.
Speaker 1: So I know you are friends with The Rock too.
Speaker 1: Has he ever given you because he seems like a
Speaker 1: great advice giver.
Speaker 3: He literally is the hardest working person I've ever met.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if he's I think he's like
Speaker 3: Dracula and he's like you know, it's like he feeds
Speaker 3: off his cheap day pancakes and what else whatever else
Speaker 3: it's always got well. I mean, I'm like, how do
Speaker 3: you eat that many pancakes? Anyways? I do think like
Speaker 3: his his drive, like is so inspiring to me, and
Speaker 3: just how he never falters from being himself. He is
Speaker 3: what he appears to be the nicest fucking person ever
Speaker 3: and the hardest working person ever. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: similar to me. Anythink he needs to find some balances,
Speaker 3: do I? And I think his daughter's like he's such
Speaker 3: a great girl dad as well, But I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's like we just gotta lift each other up and
Speaker 3: keep working hard. And it's not one thing, it's everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that you're inspired by people's drive.
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes I'm so tired and I'm like, he's
Speaker 3: working harder. I can do this. He hasn't slept, He's
Speaker 3: working out three in the morning. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I can do that, but I can work harder.
Speaker 1: It inspires you.
Speaker 3: It inspires me.
Speaker 2: Me about that, like that fearlessness and just fear And
Speaker 2: do you have any fear? Like when you would go
Speaker 2: out there, no no fear? How I know you say
Speaker 2: you do your best and you go.
Speaker 3: But I love so. First of all, I'm an adrenaline junkie,
Speaker 3: So I love going fast like I love.
Speaker 1: Do you like the fear or there is no fear.
Speaker 3: There's no fear, it's not I get. I like the butterflies.
Speaker 3: Like when I was a kid, I used to climb
Speaker 3: all the trees, like all the highest trees. I never
Speaker 3: was worried about falling or you know, and when I
Speaker 3: started skiing, I just always want to be fast, like
Speaker 3: faster than my grandparents, faster than my parents, you know.
Speaker 3: Every time I was on the mountain, I just want
Speaker 3: to go fast, fast, fast, So that part of me
Speaker 3: is is definitely unique. And I think that's why that
Speaker 3: made me a good downhiller, because I was never afraid,
Speaker 3: and when the course was challenging or their weather was challenging,
Speaker 3: I actually really enjoyed, you know, watching other skiers faces
Speaker 3: because they would get nervous or scared, and I saw
Speaker 3: that I need this to my advantage. Crazy, But I think.
Speaker 1: Are you aware though, how unique?
Speaker 3: And I know it's weird. Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 2: Because that showed up for you, Like are you able
Speaker 2: to implement that into other parts of your life?
Speaker 1: Like you're because you know there's.
Speaker 2: Fear and like a first date where there's fear, and
Speaker 2: like I don't know, speaking publicly.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, you know, I think it's helped me a
Speaker 3: lot in like public speaking, Like I'm much better when
Speaker 3: I just wing it. You know, if I'm prepared, then
Speaker 3: it's like I have to do something that.
Speaker 1: In the sphere there trying to think of.
Speaker 2: Fear shows up in anywhere in your life.
Speaker 3: I mean, fear shows up like if I get a
Speaker 3: speeding ticket. You know, I've lost my life since one four, So.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by the way. I'm totally not surprised.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, well, that's not fear, that's like shit.
Speaker 3: I know, it's definitely it's a different emotion.
Speaker 1: It's different.
Speaker 3: But no, I think I do my best one. I
Speaker 3: don't stress about the outcome whatever that is.
Speaker 1: So it's an overall thing. It's not just.
Speaker 3: And I will say it probably I probably should have
Speaker 3: been like more skeptical at some points in my life
Speaker 3: where I was just too open and accepting and like didn't.
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily fear, but it's trust. Also, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like my mother, I'm very trusting in what and
Speaker 3: just like relationships or you know, not even necessarily romantic ones,
Speaker 3: but just in people in general. And I've definitely learned
Speaker 3: how to be more reserved because you have only so
Speaker 3: much energy and you can't give it out to everybody, right,
Speaker 3: And yeah, so it's that's something I've had to learn
Speaker 3: because I am fearless in that way. Like I just
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know. I take everyone for face value,
Speaker 3: and I sometimes maybe shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Well, that's usually a thing that happens to women, is
Speaker 2: like if you have a bad relationship and then like
Speaker 2: you don't trust men again for the next for many
Speaker 2: years or you know, but you don't seem to do
Speaker 2: that again to your life. You probably should, but you don't.
Speaker 3: But nobody else that's romantic you should.
Speaker 2: But then also sometimes it could ruin a relationship because
Speaker 2: you're taking your old stuff and putting it into something
Speaker 2: new and then how you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, that's that's a hard one.
Speaker 1: You hope it was romantic, they do, Yeah, you know, but.
Speaker 3: I do realize that, you know, things don't always work
Speaker 3: out the way.
Speaker 1: You think they will, but you get back up.
Speaker 3: You get back up.
Speaker 2: In true Lindsay volume in a good fight. You were
Speaker 2: actually married, really young, married and divorced young?
Speaker 1: Like, what does that do? You don't make mistakes, but
Speaker 1: what does that do to you? What do you learn
Speaker 1: from that? Leg?
Speaker 3: I mean I was at twenty two. I don't know
Speaker 3: what you know at twenty two, But.
Speaker 1: Why did you even think you should get married at
Speaker 1: twenty two?
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you. I don't know, I really
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, it was a hard time in
Speaker 3: my life. My parents were divorced and I had been
Speaker 3: living on my own since I was fifteen, you know,
Speaker 3: traveling on the.
Speaker 4: You're looking for somebody to do it with, just you know,
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, I thought this is what I'm
Speaker 4: supposed to do, and then it definitely wasn't and I had.
Speaker 3: To course correct and figure it out. And it was hard,
Speaker 3: I think for me because at a young age. You know,
Speaker 3: I was very successful at that age, and I had
Speaker 3: never really been in control of my money, and I
Speaker 3: wish I had been, so I had to learn the
Speaker 3: hard way. But that's one thing that I like really
Speaker 3: try to teach also in like with my foundation, just
Speaker 3: financial independence, you know, having you know, women having control
Speaker 3: over their own big accounts and having you know, did.
Speaker 2: You not have that at the beginning, You didn't have
Speaker 2: like control of your stuff?
Speaker 3: Wow, well we all make mistakes. Yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 3: I was so young. I didn't know, you know, who's
Speaker 3: going to manage my money? And how does that work?
Speaker 3: And I, you know, was so focused on my skiing,
Speaker 3: you know, and it just was Yeah, I had to
Speaker 3: rely on someone and that's what happened.
Speaker 2: What is the big lesson though for you? Like how
Speaker 2: do you operate differently then?
Speaker 3: I think in general, you know, managing your own money
Speaker 3: first of all, Like, no matter what happens, you know,
Speaker 3: if I get married, if I don't get married, I
Speaker 3: always need mine, you know. And I think that's true
Speaker 3: for all women. You know. It just gives you a
Speaker 3: level of freedom. No matter what you're facing in your life,
Speaker 3: you always have that that's yours.
Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about money and stuff because I
Speaker 2: think I've heard you say skiing wasn't it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: a big financial no like women, but I think women
Speaker 2: in sports in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, women in sports in general, it's very hard to
Speaker 3: make money unless you play tennis.
Speaker 1: And then when you think about how much time, effort, magic.
Speaker 2: Skill that you have to have and then to not
Speaker 2: be financially compensated for that.
Speaker 3: It's hard. I mean, I think you know, ski racing
Speaker 3: is a great sport. You know, if you look at
Speaker 3: the Olympics, it's one of the most popular in the
Speaker 3: in the winter Olympics, but in general, you know, most
Speaker 3: people only know about skiing every four years, So you know,
Speaker 3: how do you make that? What do you do in
Speaker 3: the four years the three years in between, and how
Speaker 3: do you make money? So on the World Cup, if
Speaker 3: you want a race, it was thirty thousand Swiss ranks,
Speaker 3: which then got converted into you know, euros or whatever
Speaker 3: I was before the euro it was whatever Austrian shillings
Speaker 3: or German marks whatever, and then it's converted into US
Speaker 3: dollars and then you you tax on it. So about
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you're supposed to survive on
Speaker 3: that getting nothing. So you know, and that's what my
Speaker 3: father always told me, and I will give a lot
Speaker 3: of credit for that, is that, you know, I have
Speaker 3: to be more than an athlete because there's no money
Speaker 3: in it. You have to earn it. You have to
Speaker 3: go and be more. And you know, it's like Peegaboo
Speaker 3: Street was my idol and she had this big deal
Speaker 3: with an athletic company and it was like the first
Speaker 3: of its kind. But besides that, it wasn't there's really
Speaker 3: no endorsement deals we had for women. And so one
Speaker 3: of one of the things that I did in my
Speaker 3: career was talk to the guys and I because I
Speaker 3: there's if there's no transparency, how am I supposed to
Speaker 3: know if I'm getting underpaid compared to a man or not.
Speaker 3: So I asked them point blank and some of the
Speaker 3: top male racers actually told me what they were making
Speaker 3: and you were like oh, And I was like, whoa, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm on in the same ballpark and I need to
Speaker 3: fix that. So I literally went and I was like,
Speaker 3: this is what I need, and this is what you're
Speaker 3: going to give me, and I know what the guys make,
Speaker 3: so don't even try And I got it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And who do you have to go to that ask that?
Speaker 3: Is it the brands or is it the actual to
Speaker 3: find out what they made?
Speaker 1: No, like to add to get more money, I had.
Speaker 3: To go straight to the brand. Yeah, when I renegotiated whenever,
Speaker 3: when when any of my contracts were up.
Speaker 1: But like for a young skier who maybe she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Have unfortunately in skiing, like you're not going to get
Speaker 3: anything until you're in the top twenty in the world, wow,
Speaker 3: to make any like any money whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And so you have to absolutely love it.
Speaker 3: You have to. Yeah, I mean, I know so many
Speaker 3: of my friends that I grew up with that have
Speaker 3: metal in almost every like limb of their body and
Speaker 3: the only reason why they kept going was because they
Speaker 3: loved it. I mean, you have to at that point,
Speaker 3: you don't subject yourself too.
Speaker 2: Because this doesn't sound fun to me at all. Guys,
Speaker 2: by the way, this life is not good. Like first
Speaker 2: of all, it's not even just the injuries alone in
Speaker 2: the whatever you got going on in your the screws
Speaker 2: and the bolts, and but you also, like it's the
Speaker 2: discipline of having to be able to compete at that level.
Speaker 2: You're working out every however many hours a day, and like, none.
Speaker 1: Of that sounds fun to me. That doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: a good time. You love it?
Speaker 3: I love it?
Speaker 1: Like, yes, I love this, I think to each own.
Speaker 3: Like I think a lot of people would think, you know,
Speaker 3: speaking in front of people or being on a radio
Speaker 3: show or whatever like that is torture. It's not tortreoss
Speaker 3: but like difficult and that they wouldn't want to do it.
Speaker 3: I know if you're comfortable doing it, Like I can
Speaker 3: never do what you do and you can never do
Speaker 3: what I do. And so that's what that's what makes us,
Speaker 3: you know unique. So I don't know I love in
Speaker 3: the beginning, Like let's face that I was, you know,
Speaker 3: a young teenager. I didn't like you know, my dad
Speaker 3: made me run a mile every day, so and he
Speaker 3: made me do a hundred push ups and one hundred
Speaker 3: sit ups because I had to pass a test to
Speaker 3: make the US ski team. Got it, and trust me,
Speaker 3: I did not love that. But you know, as time
Speaker 3: went on, like you realize that the more work I
Speaker 3: put in, the more I get out of it, And
Speaker 3: so you end up loving it because it inevidably makes
Speaker 3: you better. So that's that's like how I processed in
Speaker 3: my mind. And I would sit on the bike, you know,
Speaker 3: for hours, and I would just think about whoever I
Speaker 3: wanted to beat that season, or you know, like I'm
Speaker 3: going to be this much faster because I'm spending this
Speaker 3: much time m hm working out.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that, get like
Speaker 1: your keys to being so disciplined. But I guess that's it, right,
Speaker 1: like you everything you think about the outcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always believe that. You know, I never cut corners,
Speaker 3: if you know, I like having plans. If my my
Speaker 3: trainer gives me a workout program, like I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: every single thing in that program to the tea, I
Speaker 3: will not cut any.
Speaker 2: Wine because I'm such a whiner you are. Oh God,
Speaker 2: I'm like, it hurts you don't do this. I don't
Speaker 2: imagine Lindsey and in the gym talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't like it. It hurts. I'm tired, like you're
Speaker 1: not doing any of that.
Speaker 3: No. Sometimes my trainer would try to like cheer me on,
Speaker 3: and I would be like.
Speaker 1: If you don't shut the hell up, shut off right now.
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, push it, but do you think
Speaker 3: I'm not pushing it? Similways like I'm always giving it
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten percent. And I'm like, if you're
Speaker 3: cheering for me, that thinks you That means that you
Speaker 3: don't think that I'm giving one hundred ten percent, which
Speaker 3: means you should stop talking.
Speaker 1: And I'm insulted.
Speaker 3: I'm insulted that you don't think I'm trying hard enough.
Speaker 2: You probably because I always say, like around they won't
Speaker 2: play like we can't like I like play cards and
Speaker 2: game game nights, Like he won't play games with me.
Speaker 2: He says, I'm like in a competitive I'm inappropriately competitive.
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's like it's too far.
Speaker 2: It's not fun for everyone. And I gotta imagine that
Speaker 2: you are a lunatic.
Speaker 3: I'm a lunatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do game like even on game night?
Speaker 2: Are you a crazy person? I you don't play, you
Speaker 2: don't even get in it.
Speaker 1: I just it's bad.
Speaker 3: And I've definitely like I will give myself one chance
Speaker 3: if I don't annihilate everybody, and then.
Speaker 1: I won't win, but annihilate.
Speaker 3: Even ping pong, Like I have a problem. I really
Speaker 3: want to win.
Speaker 1: You really want to win.
Speaker 3: We want to win. Yeah, I've really tried to, like
Speaker 3: honestly unprogram that from my from who I am, but
Speaker 3: it's so ingrained. You can ask my siblings.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like how to God like, because
Speaker 2: guys are like funny with I remember being going to
Speaker 2: date back in the day with this guy and we
Speaker 2: were playing we went he was like, let's go play pool,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I love pool. We have a drinks,
Speaker 2: we're playing pool, and then he said something like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is like not fun.
Speaker 1: For me, and first of all, we'll ever get out
Speaker 1: of here. But also then I it made me.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, is this like you don't want me to win?
Speaker 2: I definitely took it that way, but also I was like,
Speaker 2: it was the first time anybody was like I don't
Speaker 2: like that about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not cool.
Speaker 1: It's so number one. He didn't obviously didn't make it,
Speaker 1: didn't make the cut.
Speaker 2: Nobody also too, And then I realized that about myself
Speaker 2: because I didn't even know that that was a thing.
Speaker 2: So sometimes I'm like, if we're playing, like you all
Speaker 2: set it out or I'll just be like that's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good in the corner.
Speaker 1: You don't want me in here?
Speaker 3: No, you really don't. Yeah, because I said that after
Speaker 3: that first dam like I want me and I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's hard, I think.
Speaker 2: But how do guys handle that like with you, because
Speaker 2: because if you're beating them at everything, that well, well yeah.
Speaker 3: Unless you're my friend and like you don't care.
Speaker 1: No, no, I mean like prominately on a date yea, or.
Speaker 3: Dating say romantically doesn't particularly bode well. I mean I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, it's fun to a point, it's
Speaker 3: like always fun until it's not fun and then they
Speaker 3: don't want you to beat them at everything, yeah, or
Speaker 3: even if it's not, you know, competitively against each other,
Speaker 3: you know, even like when I'm successful, you know, there's
Speaker 3: always I think sometimes there's this like competition you know,
Speaker 3: between each other, and that should never happen, you know,
Speaker 3: it should always be I'm happy for you and you're
Speaker 3: happy for me, and we both want to you know,
Speaker 3: be better and more successful in our careers and lives.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't always work out that way.
Speaker 2: No, you need a very confident man in some way,
Speaker 2: like he has to be good at something, yes, killing
Speaker 2: whatever he's doing, because just the killer.
Speaker 3: I think it's this insecurity part, like you have to
Speaker 3: be secure in who you are no matter what you do,
Speaker 3: and that's easier said than done. And I definitely think that,
Speaker 3: you know, I was pretty insecure you know, at a
Speaker 3: lot of points in my life.
Speaker 1: Life when and how and why.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I've been traveling the world without rental
Speaker 3: supervision since I was like nine, so you know, like
Speaker 3: I definitely felt there was something that's crazy. I like,
Speaker 3: think about it now, you send your kid on an
Speaker 3: airplane to go to Austria at nine at nine, I
Speaker 3: don't know. Definitely not these days. But you know, I
Speaker 3: think it made me independent. But I also, you know,
Speaker 3: I think I lacked certain like social cues and you know,
Speaker 3: like in relationships. I don't think that was always easy.
Speaker 3: Like all I knew was competition and.
Speaker 1: Oh I get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So when did that switch for you? How
Speaker 2: did you, like, how did you become aware and then
Speaker 2: and then what did you have to do?
Speaker 3: I think I learned over time through trial and error,
Speaker 3: which is honestly how I learned a lot about my
Speaker 3: life is just trying, like being not afraid to fail,
Speaker 3: just trying things and Okay, this didn't work. Why did
Speaker 3: this not work? And also figuring out like who am
Speaker 3: I outside of skiing? You know, you're not what you do,
Speaker 3: and that was hard for me to figure out. And honestly,
Speaker 3: like I think in the last two years, I finally
Speaker 3: really like wholeheartedly figure out who I am as a
Speaker 3: person and nothing to do with skiing, even though it's
Speaker 3: what I love to do. That's not who I am.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about that, because even when
Speaker 2: you're watching your docment, it's like about your final season,
Speaker 2: it's like your whole life since you're nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is who I am.
Speaker 2: This is my purpose to be great, to be a great,
Speaker 2: the best skier in the world. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you're not that anymore. Then after the whole life,
Speaker 2: So what am I?
Speaker 1: Who am I? And what is my purpose?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like what do I bring to the world?
Speaker 1: This is probably pretty com like for athletes who retire.
Speaker 3: That's why you see a lot of athletes having a
Speaker 3: really hard time. You know, a lot of athletes have
Speaker 3: gambling problems. They you know, abuse drugs and alcohol, and
Speaker 3: it's a really hard place to be in. And also
Speaker 3: it's because you've always thought you yourself to be invincible
Speaker 3: as well, you know, like especially in team sports, you
Speaker 3: know you have to, like football, for example, like you
Speaker 3: have to believe that your career is gonna last forever.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a mentality. But then it stops the
Speaker 3: check stop, like what do you do? And it's a
Speaker 3: hard it's a really hard reality to face. And I
Speaker 3: knew for me, it was either going to go extremely
Speaker 3: in one way or the other. So I went extreme,
Speaker 3: like I went super clean. I like was working out
Speaker 3: all the time and definitely too far to that end.
Speaker 3: But I just it was kind of a a course
Speaker 3: correction that I had to just figure out, Okay, who
Speaker 3: am I? What's my next move? What do I do?
Speaker 3: What's my passion? Like, what's my passion in life besides
Speaker 3: going really fast?
Speaker 1: And what did you figure out?
Speaker 3: So I figured out, like through my psychologist that you know,
Speaker 3: it's like looking at skiing. What do I love about skiing?
Speaker 3: I love the feeling of freedom. When I stand at
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain, I feel like anything is possible,
Speaker 3: Like I am in control of my life. So how
Speaker 3: do I get that? Like what in life now makes
Speaker 3: me feel that way? Sometimes it's driving my car. I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm.
Speaker 1: At driving really fast.
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, it's a problem, you know.
Speaker 3: I just like contl Yes, not necessarily control, but the
Speaker 3: feeling of anything is possible. So when I do things now,
Speaker 3: it's like that's how I find my passion. It's like
Speaker 3: when I think about doing something like creating a TV
Speaker 3: show or a movie, does that make me feel the
Speaker 3: same type of passion. Does that make me excited in
Speaker 3: that way? And a lot of the time it does,
Speaker 3: And that's like, those are the directions that I go in.
Speaker 3: But I also figured out, like, so that's what drives me,
Speaker 3: that's my passion. But who I am is still the
Speaker 3: same person I've always been. I'm just a kid from Minnesota.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a flat lander. Sometimes I talk in
Speaker 3: a funny accent after a few cocktails.
Speaker 1: Really, I want to see that.
Speaker 3: No, you know I do? No, you don't.
Speaker 1: Is that it a little bit I do? I'm in.
Speaker 3: It's bad.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's a good time.
Speaker 3: No, it's really not. We enunciate our vowels really badly.
Speaker 3: That's something that I've really worked hard to suppress. But
Speaker 3: with a couple of tequilas, I am in rare form.
Speaker 3: I love that for you. You say that now, But
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm just the same. I'm just a kid
Speaker 3: from Minnesota who you know loves pushing the limits and
Speaker 3: pushing herself. And it's pretty simple.
Speaker 2: You've had to figure out new ways to push yourself.
Speaker 2: I guess right, that's the trick.
Speaker 3: The trick because like, it's not who I am, but
Speaker 3: it's also like what gives me joy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But isn't there? Is there also a thing.
Speaker 2: About like I think about this with athletes or anybody
Speaker 2: who's achieved greatness in an area or in some part
Speaker 2: of your life. If it's like, how do you not
Speaker 2: always chase a level of greatness at that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it's how Yeah, Like, so I
Speaker 2: want to try to chase a different type of greatness.
Speaker 2: Am I going to be the greatest movie maker of
Speaker 2: all time or the greatest television may I don't know.
Speaker 3: You never know. Kobe got Kobe got an Oscar. I
Speaker 3: was there, It's possible.
Speaker 1: Were you at the Oscars?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was there.
Speaker 2: I was at the Oscars that year too. My good
Speaker 2: friend Mary J. Blische got nominated for an award and
Speaker 2: so I went that year.
Speaker 3: Wow, we were there, We're there together. This was all
Speaker 3: it was all meant to be.
Speaker 1: It's all meant to be. What were you doing there?
Speaker 3: I was with Rolex and I was like, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: my son is really slight. Was amazing.
Speaker 2: I was with Rolex, I was just with a Ronde
Speaker 2: and I was with my friends.
Speaker 3: Me and my sister. It was a dress up day
Speaker 3: and it was I've always really wanted to go.
Speaker 1: Did you see Kobe? Did you know Kobe?
Speaker 3: I've met him at the London Olympics, and you know,
Speaker 3: I've been a huge I'm always a fan of Like
Speaker 3: I love sports in all its forms, so I know
Speaker 3: a lot of athletes and definitely was always inspired by
Speaker 3: his work ethic.
Speaker 1: And then you were there and you saw him when
Speaker 1: I saw.
Speaker 3: Him, like, Kobe just won an oscar, so you know
Speaker 3: it's not possible if nothing is impossible. And guess what
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, win an oscar, own a fall
Speaker 3: flat on my face, and I'm totally fine with either.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, can you be happy if you
Speaker 2: don't be the greatest at something else? Like, for would
Speaker 2: you be happy with just the the striving.
Speaker 3: For Yeah, I want to strive to be, like to
Speaker 3: do the best that I can do.
Speaker 1: You like the striving for it? Or is it the
Speaker 1: actual greatness?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I think it's a journey as well, Okay, like it
Speaker 3: is a process. I mean I don't I don't just
Speaker 3: love winning, like, I actually really like working hard, Like
Speaker 3: I'm again maybe like a little couple of screwslers, but
Speaker 3: I like the journey of working hard. You know, even
Speaker 3: though I fall like I like that, I like that,
Speaker 3: I get back up and I keep going, like, you know,
Speaker 3: that's just something that it fuels me, like, it gives
Speaker 3: me more drive and motivation. So you know, maybe I
Speaker 3: won't want to Oscar the first time. Maybe the second time,
Speaker 3: you believe, but I believe, Like I don't know. I've
Speaker 3: been working on a movie with Robert Redford for a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 1: Now, and we talked about this night I met you.
Speaker 1: You see a full circle. All of this is happening.
Speaker 1: That movie is gonna be great. I know that for you.
Speaker 1: We talked about it that night. I believed in it
Speaker 1: and I had just met you. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: you were to.
Speaker 3: Do that shit for a long It's coming.
Speaker 1: I remember I told you I was doing a script. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had just started that. I just finished. It's something
Speaker 1: in the universe. It's happening here, doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: We should do something together maybe.
Speaker 2: Well maybe we'll be at the Oscars the same year
Speaker 2: we should be.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine?
Speaker 3: Could you imagine we have to do another podcast that happens.
Speaker 2: We are kind of regroup right here, regroup and talk
Speaker 2: about the journey of that and how we made greatness
Speaker 2: again exactly.
Speaker 1: I love that for us.
Speaker 2: I like that by the way I'm putting it out,
Speaker 2: Oh you would like somebody who what is that called
Speaker 2: manifests manifest Yeah, yeah, it's but it's not just manifesting,
Speaker 2: it's working hard.
Speaker 3: Like That's the key thing that I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people miss. Like you manifest it, but you like,
Speaker 3: you work hard to get there. But I do believe
Speaker 3: that if you put it in the world and you
Speaker 3: strive for it, it will happen eventually. It might take
Speaker 3: me a long time.
Speaker 1: That's okay, I'll get that. But you like the journey,
Speaker 1: So I like the journey. Yeah, you have to love
Speaker 1: the journey, a long journey.
Speaker 3: We could be at the Oscars in ten years and
Speaker 3: five years in one year. Probably not, but you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a thing that the people miss. It's
Speaker 1: the journey.
Speaker 2: It's like everybody sees the highlight reel and everybody sees
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, I want to be like her.
Speaker 1: Oh I want that thing that they have.
Speaker 2: But do you love the actual thing that it took
Speaker 2: her to get there? Yeah, because you have to love
Speaker 2: your journey. Otherwise, what the hell is the point because
Speaker 2: the winds are just tentpoles. It's not your life. Your
Speaker 2: life is actually the journey.
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about it, I wor to my
Speaker 3: whole life to win an Olympic gold medal and a
Speaker 3: downhill race was only a minute in fifty four seconds.
Speaker 3: So you have to love the journey.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're only happy for a minute and fifty four
Speaker 2: seconds of your whole life.
Speaker 1: That would be so sad.
Speaker 3: I'll be short lived, Yeah, it would be so really sad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but most people I think aren't willing to put in
Speaker 3: the sacrifices that it takes to reach your goals. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it's again it's like you can manifest it,
Speaker 3: but like there are so many sacrifices that no one
Speaker 3: sees that you know, you make every day that are
Speaker 3: what get you to where you want to go, you know,
Speaker 3: and I saw I've seen so many people in my
Speaker 3: life that were more talented than I was, you know
Speaker 3: that just they thought they were going to make it,
Speaker 3: they manifested it. They didn't work hard like you you
Speaker 3: have to put in the time.
Speaker 2: Or they work hard, but they don't believe that they
Speaker 2: can actually do it, or they let fear get in
Speaker 2: the way, or they let outside noise get in the
Speaker 2: way or all of those things.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, true, get in your way.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that can get in your way.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things, mostly yourself.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good and pretty and definitely true. I just
Speaker 1: interviewed this. I just interviewed recently Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 2: Oh really, and we should have talked about filmmakers since
Speaker 2: we're both going to be when we just talked about filmmaking.
Speaker 2: But one of the things he talked about is his
Speaker 2: work addiction. And it's like he realized that about himself
Speaker 2: because he was going through some time in his life
Speaker 2: where he was dealing with some personal issues and instead
Speaker 2: of dealing with them, he was like buried in work.
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh, shoot, I have like this
Speaker 2: is a problem. I should be dealing with this, and
Speaker 2: instead I'm making calls and doing when I'm working. Because
Speaker 2: it's his work addiction, right, and he had to learn
Speaker 2: how to balance it. I was like, but you love
Speaker 2: what would you love it? So what's the problem? It
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, but also you could lose the things
Speaker 2: that are most important to you if you are not
Speaker 2: aware of that.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 2: I probably needed to hear that someone and I have
Speaker 2: worked on that kind that life work life balance thing.
Speaker 2: But I wonder for you, it's like you are just
Speaker 2: a machine. Even now you're like talking about the next.
Speaker 3: Phase, and I'm gonna it is a problem for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like how do you balance problem? Do you shut off?
Speaker 1: Do you find like your No?
Speaker 3: I mean like I think I need to prioritize time
Speaker 3: with my family and just being home and being depressing
Speaker 3: and making sure that you know, I don't always work
Speaker 3: all the time, and you know, I definitely I don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of friends. And the friends I do have,
Speaker 3: they understand me and and that I'm crazy about what
Speaker 3: I do and they accept that, you know, they accept
Speaker 3: who I am. But it's hard to you know, it's
Speaker 3: hard to deal with me because I'm like, I'm always driven,
Speaker 3: and I do think it's important to have balanced I
Speaker 3: just don't always find it, you know, And I have
Speaker 3: to just balance myself out because I just have a
Speaker 3: tendency to go, go, go and never stop. And if
Speaker 3: you keep going, you lose the people that are around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why that's why I asked that, because when
Speaker 2: he said that, he's like Yeah, because you lose what's
Speaker 2: the most important if you're not if you don't adjust,
Speaker 2: and I wanted that for you. It must be interesting.
Speaker 2: Do you have like your friends are like from childhood? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I was going to say, what kind of friends?
Speaker 2: How do you manage friendships or relationships or anything when
Speaker 2: you're like this is all the time?
Speaker 3: So I have three really good friends and we've all
Speaker 3: known each other since you were like seven.
Speaker 1: So they get you, they know you. They're like, she's
Speaker 1: she's being lindsay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she didn't together, she didn't show up at.
Speaker 1: The birthday party, and she didn't call me back.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm the first one to admit, like
Speaker 3: I'm horrible with birthdays, Like I'm just not my friend.
Speaker 3: Also and her mother have the same birthday as me,
Speaker 3: and I'm still bad at it.
Speaker 1: You know that's really I know.
Speaker 3: But you know she accept me for who I am.
Speaker 3: But you know she knows my heart. We just we've
Speaker 3: been through a lot and we don't see each other
Speaker 3: very often, but like we're on the same page, Like
Speaker 3: it's as if we you know, whenever we see each
Speaker 3: other's as if no time has ever passed. And then
Speaker 3: my best best friend. I met her about fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: got set up on a friend date and a friend date.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever I had never heard of her? No,
Speaker 1: had I didn't even know.
Speaker 3: That was a thing. Yeah, because you know, she's an
Speaker 3: esthetician and she was a good friends with one of
Speaker 3: our physical therapists, and you know, my physical therapy was
Speaker 3: like you don't have any friends. I'm like, okay, we
Speaker 3: don't need to point that out or tell anybody about it.
Speaker 3: She's like, you know what, you would be really good
Speaker 3: friends with Vanessa, Like we should. We're going to go
Speaker 3: on a friend date. And she literally went to a concert,
Speaker 3: she introduced us and left. No, yeah, fully left.
Speaker 1: Here's here's a friend, here's a friend for you.
Speaker 3: Good luck.
Speaker 1: And why did she think she was a good friend?
Speaker 3: Why we're very similar? We're like, we're so similar. She's
Speaker 3: so driven, she has two amazing kids, and she's just
Speaker 3: like super mom. But we're like instantaneous friends. Never that's
Speaker 3: never happened to me before.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because you entered the friendship with intention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely intention Yeah, but she is like, had no
Speaker 3: clue but skiing, like honestly, no. Though she was at
Speaker 3: my final race of my career. She bought her two
Speaker 3: kids all the way to Sweden and her amazing husband.
Speaker 3: So they're just amazing people. And I think it's important
Speaker 3: to find people that understand you, that support you, and
Speaker 3: like you can rely on them no matter what, which
Speaker 3: is really hard to find these days. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just don't meet a lot of people. No, it's not
Speaker 3: like how do I meet somebody? Like, how am I
Speaker 3: going to meet a friend? Like? I mean, we met randomly,
Speaker 3: and we.
Speaker 2: Didn't You didn't know me, I didn't know you. We
Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, my back, oh my hip
Speaker 2: on my leg. You had just had something going on.
Speaker 2: I had just had a.
Speaker 1: Surgery, and I was like, I liked her so much
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 2: We were in the sea of a put But there
Speaker 2: was a bunch of people, a bunch of people. There
Speaker 2: were people from my world that know me very well.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was people that knew you very well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And we were like yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and then we just keeping I've.
Speaker 3: Broke my back and I broke my knee. We should
Speaker 3: be besties.
Speaker 1: We should totally be resting. I'm mad we didn't stay
Speaker 1: more in touch.
Speaker 2: We will now now now we will, But was also
Speaker 2: we have to get ready to go to the Wars,
Speaker 2: you know, so we should plan like what we're gonna
Speaker 2: wear and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited about that day. That'll be our
Speaker 1: be like coming like a friend date.
Speaker 3: Like no, like leave them behind, our men behind and
Speaker 3: we'll just go together.
Speaker 1: I would love that for us. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that would actually happen.
Speaker 4: We have to go through it's it would be disrespectful
Speaker 4: if we did.
Speaker 3: We manifested if we did it.
Speaker 1: It would be so crazy. But I love this for people.
Speaker 2: It's another because we always talk about like speed dating
Speaker 2: with men. It's always about like a man woman or
Speaker 2: just romance, not even just man women, but romantic relationship.
Speaker 2: We talk about dating or meeting or approaching them with
Speaker 2: intention and all that.
Speaker 1: But you actually you can.
Speaker 3: Do that with just friendships. Yeah, I mean never really
Speaker 3: heard that. And it's also I think really important with women.
Speaker 3: I don't really feel that supported by women all the time, really. Yeah,
Speaker 3: especially in my skiing career. I mean a lot of
Speaker 3: it is to do because we're competing against each other.
Speaker 3: But you know, even with other athletes, I never really
Speaker 3: felt like they wanted me to do well there was
Speaker 3: always an underlying well, you know, I hope you do
Speaker 3: well to an.
Speaker 1: Extent, it's not better than me.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, I think it's important to
Speaker 3: support each other, and you know, I think our success
Speaker 3: is you know, like my individual success is everyone's success,
Speaker 3: and we you know, if we help each other, we'll
Speaker 3: all become better.
Speaker 1: That's so good. But the one thing I did.
Speaker 2: Want to talk about so and you're honest about it,
Speaker 2: like in the DOCA, So you talk about depression, dealing
Speaker 2: with that, especially during times of change where you have
Speaker 2: to walk away from something you've been doing your whole life,
Speaker 2: this fear of that. I don't know, what have you
Speaker 2: learned about that? And how do you get yourself out
Speaker 2: of that? Because you can talk about getting yourself up
Speaker 2: from an injury and the slopes, but getting yourself up
Speaker 2: from depression or from whatever emotional you know, toughness.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been dealing with depression since I was
Speaker 3: a teenager. Really, yeah, I think it's been you know,
Speaker 3: skiing can be it's like you're surrounded by people, but
Speaker 3: it's so isolating at the same time, and I didn't
Speaker 3: really know how to manage it. And you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't like now where everyone talks about depression and.
Speaker 1: You know it's like, okay, it's like, no big deal.
Speaker 3: I could ask you that, yeah, casually, but at the time,
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, never show signs of weakness
Speaker 3: like and and I definitely felt as though, you know,
Speaker 3: it was weakness, and so I I how I dealt
Speaker 3: with it was I journaled, you know, I talked to
Speaker 3: as if it was you know, like I didn't pretend
Speaker 3: it was a therapist, but I'm just I need to
Speaker 3: in some format, you know, talk about my emotions. And
Speaker 3: you know, I was a teenager, like my parents reading divorced.
Speaker 3: I was living on my own and I just didn't
Speaker 3: know how to deal with everything, and being isolated and
Speaker 3: not having a support system was really hard for me.
Speaker 3: And it kind of ebbed and flowed throughout my career.
Speaker 1: And you always write you always journal, Well.
Speaker 3: I always have since I was probably nine, but you know,
Speaker 3: really leaned heavy into it when I needed it most.
Speaker 3: You still have your nine journals. It's like Mickey Mouse, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what was she?
Speaker 1: What was what was her thing? Like? What was she
Speaker 1: going through?
Speaker 3: It was like I didn't have very many friends, and
Speaker 3: I was also when I was nine. I was traveling
Speaker 3: to Europe, you know, and I was traveling with kids
Speaker 3: that were thirteen to twenty one and I'm nine. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, no one thinks, yes, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a dear diary moment. And I would like sign it
Speaker 3: like love me.
Speaker 1: At least it was love. You were learning on yourself, trying.
Speaker 3: I was trying. I was like, you know, for lack
Speaker 3: of support, you know, I I that's that was my
Speaker 3: only outlet. And you know, I think now there are
Speaker 3: so many more resources for athletes, for you know, kids,
Speaker 3: for you know, anyone. And I think probably the hardest
Speaker 3: time for me was when I retired, and you know,
Speaker 3: some extent, I use skiing as a crutch, you know,
Speaker 3: as a way to mitigate my emotions, and I put,
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of locked everything up and use
Speaker 3: it as fuel to raise And when that outlet is
Speaker 3: no longer there, you're stuck with all of these internal
Speaker 3: emotions that need to go someplace. So I started working
Speaker 3: with doctor Mondo. He works with a lot of athletes,
Speaker 3: and and he's been awesome. He does this thing called
Speaker 3: the cheat code, and he's just you know, it definitely
Speaker 3: made me think of life differently when that's when I said,
Speaker 3: you know, talking about what do I feel when I
Speaker 3: ski that you know makes me love it so much?
Speaker 3: Those are things I focus on with him. And but
Speaker 3: I think, you know, just being honest with yourself and
Speaker 3: having a support system of people that you know don't
Speaker 3: judge you, and you know, whether that's a therapist or
Speaker 3: your family, and just I think everyone needs an outlet, yes,
Speaker 3: to find that balance. Yes, And that's an ongoing struggle
Speaker 3: like it, you know, I think that's just life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was there any one thing that you can tell
Speaker 2: yourself to pick? Because I always feel like when you're
Speaker 2: it's like if you just like sit in the darkness
Speaker 2: of like whatever moment that is. Like for me, I
Speaker 2: always the thing I never talked about this before. Like
Speaker 2: for me, the little trick I have is like remind
Speaker 2: myself that this is temporary.
Speaker 1: You just haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 2: It's gonna you're gonna figure it out and then you'll
Speaker 2: get out of it. So this this sucks right here,
Speaker 2: but it's temporary. Like for me, that's a trick. That's
Speaker 2: for my own trick for my own self. This is
Speaker 2: what I don't sit in it because I think to myself,
Speaker 2: if I didn't have that, how far could that.
Speaker 1: Rabbit hole go?
Speaker 3: You can go?
Speaker 2: And if I think about somebody who maybe doesn't have that,
Speaker 2: and you think, especially somebody young, Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I I never this is this is gonna be so
Speaker 2: bad forever. You could just go into you know, a thing.
Speaker 2: So for me, that little thing helps helps a lot.
Speaker 2: And I just wondered if you had anything, anything that.
Speaker 1: You tell yourself that lifts you up or get you
Speaker 1: out or no.
Speaker 3: I mean I think like when I really, like especially
Speaker 3: when I was skiing, you know, I had this thing
Speaker 3: where I I did a lot of deep breathing and
Speaker 3: I would close my eyes like I can do this.
Speaker 3: I can do this. I can do this. Like just sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, when I whacked the self belief, I would
Speaker 3: just have to take take a moment and like internally
Speaker 3: believe in myself and then externally like let it out,
Speaker 3: and it helped.
Speaker 1: I can do this. I can do it and believe
Speaker 1: in yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, even when it's hard. That's pretty good to
Speaker 3: because if you don't believe in yourself, then who's going.
Speaker 1: To in real life? When are you at your happiest.
Speaker 3: With my dogs on the sofa watching Law and Order
Speaker 3: and with then and Jerry's that's not specific or anything.
Speaker 1: We really could be.
Speaker 2: Friends because that sounds like the best tim ever. What
Speaker 2: did your flavor in case? Ben and Jerry's watching and
Speaker 2: they want to send you a lifetime.
Speaker 3: So trust me, they do send me supplies. They times
Speaker 3: they have dog ice cream as well. I love that?
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 1: Yah? My dog is Luzy and he would love that.
Speaker 3: M yep. I love Ben and Jerry's. We can do it,
Speaker 3: you know, fantastic whatever we want to do, it's possible.
Speaker 3: I've been manifesting that for a long time. It hasn't
Speaker 3: happened yet. So what is your favorite half baked?
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: It's a classic classic in real life. What's the best
Speaker 2: decision you ever made in your real life?
Speaker 1: Like most recent, best decision?
Speaker 3: Most recent, best decision. I went on a dinner date
Speaker 3: with my sister and a business partner and he brought
Speaker 3: along a friend and it was one of the best decisions,
Speaker 3: like low key, like last minute, it's amazing. You probably
Speaker 3: have to know more context, but I'm not. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: it was great.
Speaker 1: Did you meet like the love of your life.
Speaker 3: And that dinner or something. No that this is my space.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm invading your space.
Speaker 3: Sorry, a great decision.
Speaker 1: We don't like that. Okay. In real life, what do
Speaker 1: you like most about yourself?
Speaker 3: I guess it's what I love ann hate is my
Speaker 3: relentless determination. It's got me great places. It's also put
Speaker 3: me in a lot of bad places.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Love hate.
Speaker 2: In real life, what do you hope people learn from
Speaker 2: your life? Like, what is the takeaway from your life
Speaker 2: that you would.
Speaker 3: Hope that you can always get back up? No matter
Speaker 3: what obstacle we face in life, you can always get
Speaker 3: back up. You can do it. Just put one foot
Speaker 3: in front of the other slowly and you'll get there.
Speaker 1: That's a great one.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, everybody, you never try a brisk
Speaker 2: car driving.
Speaker 1: You had to go to put you on God? See
Speaker 1: that fear? I really want to fear.
Speaker 3: I'm disappointed.
Speaker 2: You're going to be my friend that teaches me not
Speaker 2: to be afraid of stuff.
Speaker 3: I will do that. You need if you want encouragement,
Speaker 3: I will encourage you.
Speaker 1: I need that, a friend like that. I need it
Speaker 1: because I'm like fearless in what I do.
Speaker 2: But I'm not fearless physically you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, They let's do it. Oh my God,
Speaker 1: that even hurts, I can give a time.
Speaker 2: M h m hm