Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2: Everybody is d J n V Charlamagne to God. We
Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 3: We say special a lot, but this is uh, this
Speaker 3: is one of those special special special guests.
Speaker 2: Icon a legend absolutely means a lot to me, ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: D m C. Yo, what's upthing? It's good to be
Speaker 1: I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: He came in here with a lot of product to
Speaker 3: your children's books, and he got his memoir and he
Speaker 3: got the cookie cook d m C.
Speaker 1: Daryl makes cookies. Well, that inspired by Dame Dash when
Speaker 1: he was on I've always I've always was thinking about
Speaker 1: doing cookies in about five years ago at to the event,
Speaker 1: and this lady from Harlem had her cupcakes and cookies
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and they were really good, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I love cookies. This isn't it And
Speaker 1: I've just blurted out loud, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start a cookie company. I'm gonna call it Daryl makes Cookies.
Speaker 1: And everybody in the room was like, will bought it
Speaker 1: because they thought it was so cool to play on
Speaker 1: the letters that don't make d MC down cookies. And
Speaker 1: also I'm always doing stuff at schools. I'm always around families,
Speaker 1: I'm always around forced the kids, and I like to
Speaker 1: do stuff to make people smile. Absolutely, So for all
Speaker 1: of you out there, we will have the vegan, we
Speaker 1: will have the gluten free, but we will have a
Speaker 1: protein cookie for people in the gyms. And we started
Speaker 1: with chocolate chip, but we're gonna have chocolate chip, double chocolate,
Speaker 1: sugar cookie, oatmeal, oatmeal, raisin and the whole. Now do
Speaker 1: you remember your first cookie in life? That my first Yeah,
Speaker 1: my first cookie was a butter cookie. There was this
Speaker 1: place in Queens and Long Island called Gows where everybody
Speaker 1: used to get their milk from, remember Goals, And they
Speaker 1: used to have the cows, then the cows. They used
Speaker 1: to milk the cows and calendar real cows. The cows
Speaker 1: was in there. They used to bring the milk bottles
Speaker 1: by and you would buying the milk. So it's this
Speaker 1: place called Goals and they sow cookies and candies and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I've always loved cookies.
Speaker 2: I want to start from the beginning. Of course, I'm
Speaker 2: from Queens and what run DMC meant to me.
Speaker 1: Was everything right. Wow.
Speaker 2: I went to school on Holland Saint Francis, Saint Jokamanin
Speaker 2: and right on Hollys Crouss Street from PS thirty four
Speaker 2: and to see brothers from my neighborhood make it out
Speaker 2: and become international stars was everything. But not only that.
Speaker 2: This was the day before social media, so running into
Speaker 2: your favorite celebrity was everything, right. I remember running into
Speaker 2: to Run and yourself at TSS and.
Speaker 1: Oh Tom Square story, that's right.
Speaker 2: And you've given me an autograph on the back of
Speaker 2: an envelope. You know me because autographs meant the most.
Speaker 1: I still have it.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk how you've got into music and what
Speaker 2: made DMC start rapping and how did you hook up
Speaker 2: with Run being from Hollis.
Speaker 1: So for me, I first started as a DJ because
Speaker 1: there was this thing going around called flash tapes. Did
Speaker 1: you hear the flash tapes with flashing equipments? So when
Speaker 1: I got the Queens, I heard the tape of Flash
Speaker 1: doing a good time. He wasn't originally from Queens.
Speaker 2: You were originally from where I was?
Speaker 1: Well, I lived in Brooklyn for one year, but I
Speaker 1: didn't find out I was from somewhere else until I
Speaker 1: was thirty five. That's a whole number. Yeah right, exactly right.
Speaker 1: But flash tapes came into Queens and it was the
Speaker 1: block parties and stuff like that. So me and my
Speaker 1: brother we got DJ Quimy wanted to be DJs. In
Speaker 1: my basement, I was grand Mass to get High because
Speaker 1: to get high, Yeah, that was my name, Grandmaster get
Speaker 1: High because you didn't need old English, so Weed because
Speaker 1: my music qu was intoxication that it was in my
Speaker 1: brain prior to that was is a kid that read
Speaker 1: comic books. Now I'm like you and went to Catholic school.
Speaker 1: But the first thing for hip hop boy is the
Speaker 1: DJ thing. So I wanted to be like grand Master Flash.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you started hearing the
Speaker 1: tapes of Grandmaster Flash in the first five Treacher Stree
Speaker 1: Theodore tapes. You know, the whole thing just came in.
Speaker 1: So first it was a DJ. So my brother, he
Speaker 1: was only when I was allowed to go to Jamaica
Speaker 1: Avenue to the record store. I was still a young kid.
Speaker 1: So he brought home rappers and light you know that
Speaker 1: hip hop first on the record, and you know, everybody
Speaker 1: went crazy, Oh wow. You know the wasn't even hip hop.
Speaker 1: The mcs are now making records or whatever whatever, but
Speaker 1: I didn't like rappers the Light. Still. The only thing
Speaker 1: that I liked about about Rappers the Light was the
Speaker 1: big bang hank rhyme please talked about Superman, so you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what Elle was talking about. I know superheroes,
Speaker 1: but this is a game changer. A couple of weeks later,
Speaker 1: my brother comes home. Because if you remember, Rappers the
Speaker 1: Light was a very elaborate, very attractive cover. It was
Speaker 1: light blue, very colorful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rainbow, yep.
Speaker 1: Boom, it's very coh next week coming. It was just
Speaker 1: a white plank cover, red label record. It said Enjoying
Speaker 1: Records on it, and it said Grandmaster Flash And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the DJ guy and the Furious five. Oh yo,
Speaker 1: that's the MC thing. So I put the needle on this. Now,
Speaker 1: when you put the needle on Rappers the Light, it
Speaker 1: comes a hip hop, thebbit, the hebby. It was a
Speaker 1: little different from me because at that time there was
Speaker 1: two type and mod talks about it. There was two
Speaker 1: types of MCS and rappers. It was the disco DJ
Speaker 1: rapping man. I'm the man and put your hand party.
Speaker 1: It was different went those casts, and then you had
Speaker 1: to yes, hit shawls, but to the beat the street.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, MC thing so rappers the
Speaker 1: light did in attract me. Stept for the Big Bank
Speaker 1: hand cryme, which I found out was dope because it
Speaker 1: was written by one of the dopest mcs from the street,
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Cast. But I didn't know that a goldkrez safes
Speaker 1: game out. But this is the life changing thing that
Speaker 1: made me start writing. I'm Grandmaster Gat, I'm Grandmaster Get,
Speaker 1: I'm a basement on the DJ plaining is then I
Speaker 1: put you and two together. I'm a kid trying to
Speaker 1: piece all of this together. So Grandmaster Flash has five
Speaker 1: EMCs that he plays the music for, so I put
Speaker 1: the needle on this record. It didn't open up hip
Speaker 1: hop and then it wasn't no R and B distinct set.
Speaker 1: It was a party nine. Everybody he was breaking into
Speaker 1: hots one, screaming in the base was shaking in and
Speaker 1: won't be long till everybody's not on that flashes on
Speaker 1: the pee bocks going and I'm going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what the hell is this? And and shine out identicals
Speaker 1: Italian Caucasian, Japanese, Spanish, Indian Negro v at the knees,
Speaker 1: MC disc jockeys, y'all fly kids. I went run and
Speaker 1: give me a pen, Alfred, give me a pen. So
Speaker 1: I just started writing rhymes for myself. So I was
Speaker 1: a grandmaster get high, and I was MC eazy D.
Speaker 1: Because my name starts for the DN, it's easy for
Speaker 1: me to write my rhymes. So that's all I'm doing
Speaker 1: in my basement, writing rhymes. Joseph Simmons, we went to
Speaker 1: the same Catholic high school, Saint Pascal Bayline. He was
Speaker 1: always in the other class. We didn't know. We only
Speaker 1: knew each other, Hey Daryl, Hey Joe, because the only
Speaker 1: reason we knew each other it was two classes each.
Speaker 1: It was kindergarten and you together. But then when you
Speaker 1: go to first grade it's one one and one two.
Speaker 1: So I was always in the two classes. He was
Speaker 1: always in the one. So in eighth grade where that happened.
Speaker 1: This is destiny. We went to Catholic school, so you
Speaker 1: know this. After school you had to go home and
Speaker 1: put on your play clothes. That's right, because your Catholic
Speaker 1: school pants you and want you to make mess and
Speaker 1: you know, you can't go to the park which your
Speaker 1: thing on, because you're gonna get your money taken, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get teased, picked, get bullied, You're gonna get bullied exactly,
Speaker 1: so you would have to go home. So Sant Pasco,
Speaker 1: Bengland had one basketball and rim in the school yard
Speaker 1: in eighth grade. In eighth grade, a new student comes
Speaker 1: in and thank you, David McEachen, because you helped us
Speaker 1: change the world. David McEachen comes to the school. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a big thing when a new student comes to
Speaker 1: school out of nowhere. Everybody's talking about it. Class. We
Speaker 1: like to introduce the new student, that whole thing. David McEachen.
Speaker 1: I'm like six to one now, So in eighth grade,
Speaker 1: David mcgeachen was about six to one. He comes into school,
Speaker 1: he's tall like Kareem af dude jabbar. He dunks on
Speaker 1: the one rim that the Catholic school kids have in
Speaker 1: the school yard and he breaks it. Damn so up
Speaker 1: now we can go hold up everybody stop, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: pipe for them. Bannon McDaniel's. My parents are the best
Speaker 1: parents in the world. My father put a rim in
Speaker 1: my backyard yes, Darryl saves the day. So after school,
Speaker 1: I'm a five minute walk from Paschal, So all the
Speaker 1: kids would come to my backyard and play basketball after
Speaker 1: school to be safe. And I don't have to go
Speaker 1: to one ninety two or JA make a park to
Speaker 1: give them money and get bullying. It's easy. So one
Speaker 1: day Joey shows up alone with his basketball and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're Doug. Where's Craig. Oh he had to go to
Speaker 1: the dinners. What's his name? Some punishment. So it's just
Speaker 1: me and you. Let's play ball. So we play ball.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Joe is good. Joe and
Speaker 1: Jay I wasn't a ball I just had to remember.
Speaker 1: So we played ball. After we played very good. He
Speaker 1: was left handed, very good. His favor you could speak
Speaker 1: to him. He loved doctor j He run was nice.
Speaker 1: Jay was nice. Look and I'm awkward, but I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to fit in and I press the guys. Come on,
Speaker 1: I need a friend, So Dad put her in there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So after we played ball,
Speaker 1: I usually go and You're gonna love this too. You
Speaker 1: go in the house, you get the juggle, will force
Speaker 1: it water that you're put in refrigerator to get it cold,
Speaker 1: and you get Dixie cups. And I come to the
Speaker 1: back door and I give all twelve kids a Dixie
Speaker 1: cup and water. This particular day is run. Now what's
Speaker 1: the room when no parents is home? Can't have company?
Speaker 1: It's it's only run, you know what. Come on in
Speaker 1: and get the water. He comes in, change purpose and destiny.
Speaker 1: He comes in. He sees me and my brother's turntables
Speaker 1: and he goes, yo, you do that? And I go no,
Speaker 1: because that was my thing. I didn't want nobody. And
Speaker 1: he goes, yo, my brother's Russell Simmons. You ever see
Speaker 1: the flyers that's up on the telephone pulls and the
Speaker 1: chreet my my brother's Russell Russ and he managed his
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow and Jimmy Spicy, and he goes on and on.
Speaker 1: So now I'm a little oapen. I'm like what And
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, I'm DJ run. And in the summertime,
Speaker 1: no school, I go all around New York City and
Speaker 1: to try to state that are they called me the
Speaker 1: son of colters blowing up right? And I said, and
Speaker 1: I go wold something? Oh, I said, I could do it?
Speaker 1: A little bit, and he goes show me something. So
Speaker 1: I go over to the turntables and I do the
Speaker 1: super sperm quipment soup poop soup. So it's like, yode
Speaker 1: this good in this? So now the plan was this.
Speaker 1: Now we got something else in common besides ball after school.
Speaker 1: My parents would get home at four o'clock. We get
Speaker 1: out of school two ten, so we go play ball
Speaker 1: for half an hour. Then we go in the basement
Speaker 1: in DJ for him forty five minutes. So that became
Speaker 1: the routine. One particular day, when he would come over,
Speaker 1: I would hide my rhyme book so he couldn't see that.
Speaker 1: We could just DJ and he'll he'll tell you. He
Speaker 1: knew how to DJ, but he didn't know how to
Speaker 1: do theadore and what Flash was doing. And I knew
Speaker 1: all that, so I told him all of that. So
Speaker 1: one particular day we down there. I remember we have
Speaker 1: peanut butter and jaelly and potato chips and it was
Speaker 1: my turn to DJ, and I look over at Joe
Speaker 1: and he's sitting on the couch in the basement and
Speaker 1: he got my rhyme book. That was like having my diary.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I left it on the
Speaker 1: coffee table. Usual, I would put it under the couch
Speaker 1: when Joe when I knew Joe was coming, because the
Speaker 1: rhyme book was my thing talking about me being MC
Speaker 1: eazy D. So he finds it and I'm run over
Speaker 1: there trying to get it from him, and he's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: wait wait D and he was like, yo, you rode
Speaker 1: all of this and I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a hobby. And he just looks at me,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget the day slow motion when my
Speaker 1: brother Russell lets me make a record, I'm putting you
Speaker 1: in my group. And I looked in and went in
Speaker 1: one air and out the other because I'm like, yo
Speaker 1: in my f and Yo, I don't do this for real?
Speaker 1: You do that? You yo the flashes And he said, noded,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. So that was in eighth grade.
Speaker 1: We graduated running Jay went to Andrew Jackson High School,
Speaker 1: and Jackson the first school. I took three trains and
Speaker 1: two buses all the way to Rice High School one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty fourth Street in Lynux. Now later on
Speaker 1: I find out it wasn't just to go to school.
Speaker 1: I told her if it was a good with an
Speaker 1: all boys Catholic high school. But when I got there,
Speaker 1: something great happened. I got to Rice High School in
Speaker 1: ninth grade, right the kids that were in Rice High School,
Speaker 1: and this was all my purpose and destiny. The kids
Speaker 1: in Rice High School they live in the Bronx harlem Man.
Speaker 1: So when I got to Rice's High School, this blew
Speaker 1: my mind. All the kids there, they have the rap
Speaker 1: dj MC thing before seventy nine rappers, the Light, they
Speaker 1: got the T connection, they got the auto bomb ballroom,
Speaker 1: they got the black, they got hard, and I'm like
Speaker 1: the Autobahn. That's what Malcolm Mexic got killed. What do
Speaker 1: you mean you're doing hip hop? But the beautiful thing
Speaker 1: was it wasn't the rappers, the Light records and the
Speaker 1: Heartbeat record. It wasn't the records. It was a treacherous
Speaker 1: street over beach rhyming, not about disco stuff. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: can you finding them see better than me? Mo? D?
Speaker 1: Can you finding them see better than me? No? Can
Speaker 1: you find in them see who can say he's better
Speaker 1: than shoe K? No? Can you find an MC who
Speaker 1: can rhyme up against La son Sean? No? You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't you saw? And I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: So I'm changing my pen game. So ninth grade, tenth grade,
Speaker 1: eleventh grade, twelfth grade, I'm getting a crash course in
Speaker 1: beach rhymes. Atchcha. I heard this girl going to all
Speaker 1: of you. My name is Shah Shah. I'm not a
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell? This is nothing like them
Speaker 1: super rapping. You know what I'm saying. So my penang change.
Speaker 1: Here's the beautiful thing. Remember eighth grade, run says when
Speaker 1: Russell lets me make a record, we went to different school.
Speaker 1: Ninth grade, tenth grade, eleventh grade, twelfth grade. I graduate
Speaker 1: from Rice High School, send my resume out to Saint
Speaker 1: John's University, and a couple of other college come home
Speaker 1: in the mayl there's a letter to me, mister darn McDaniels.
Speaker 1: I open it up before my mother. Mister Daryl McDaniels
Speaker 1: will problem to inform you you're going to Saint John's University.
Speaker 1: What oh, this is crazy, It's funny. My mother and
Speaker 1: father come home. I run past them down to the
Speaker 1: base to write a rhyme. I don't think mine got
Speaker 1: I ran to the basement to check this out. I
Speaker 1: right this round DMC in the place to be. I
Speaker 1: went to the City Universe right run right, that was
Speaker 1: I was a class of eighty two in June of
Speaker 1: eighty two. The phone rings, It's Joe Yo d what's up? Man? No,
Speaker 1: you know we've seen each other, but he calls this
Speaker 1: particular Remember four years ago, Yeah, when I said, if
Speaker 1: I make a uh huh, grab your rhyme book, We're
Speaker 1: going to the studio to make a record. We go
Speaker 1: to Green Street Recording Studio right here, and we go
Speaker 1: down there. We make this like that, and that's the
Speaker 1: way it is. And in the B side suckerm sees
Speaker 1: Wow here I am today. Wow, That's how I's exactly.
Speaker 1: I love Superhero Origin stores, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking about when you first heard the rap
Speaker 3: and you decided that you wanted to pick up your pin.
Speaker 1: Did you already experiment with rapping before that? Let's see,
Speaker 1: I was a good students like listen to Okay, I
Speaker 1: listened to. It was bugging me out because and the
Speaker 1: switch off thing that run DMC is famous for. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. People think we invented it. No
Speaker 1: flashing them because after he said the Italian caucasion in
Speaker 1: Japanese Venner's Indian Negro MC Dishackiezio Fly Kids for the
Speaker 1: young ladies. Now, if you remember Rapers of Light Rappers,
Speaker 1: the light was on long ass record. Yes, the MC
Speaker 1: three mcs with long ash rhymes stopped long ass rhyme,
Speaker 1: these dude said, introducing the crew. You got to see
Speaker 1: the belief five different for imagine Man's yiad fifteen years
Speaker 1: old with one, two, three, four, five m seeds. One
Speaker 1: dude says, I'm melly mel and a rocket so well,
Speaker 1: and then the other dude said, then I'm missing the
Speaker 1: that's because of rock the best. This dude said rahem,
Speaker 1: and all the ladies dreaming, and the other dudes with the
Speaker 1: crazy cow boy and I make could jump for joy.
Speaker 1: This blew my mind. The fifth through goest creole, the
Speaker 1: other food other four goes solid goat kid creole with
Speaker 1: a furious five plus grand mass the flash giving you
Speaker 1: a blast to show enough class so to prove to
Speaker 1: you all that was second to none. We're going to
Speaker 1: make five MC. That was it. There was oh, you
Speaker 1: can do that, like because I was in the beginning,
Speaker 1: most of us thought you had to go hip hop dehibbit.
Speaker 1: Dehibit tell, I'm the distal man and I played my rap.
Speaker 1: These dudes was talking about how incredible they were. So
Speaker 1: my pen game was like this. And when Joe took
Speaker 1: me in the studio when we went to write us
Speaker 1: like that, You've got to remember people don't understand hip
Speaker 1: hop does the same thing over and over. Some kid
Speaker 1: asked me, I speaking of the high school in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: mister d MC, because I'm fifty nine years old now.
Speaker 1: Now if I was twenty, then your DMC. He ask me,
Speaker 1: what do you think about mumbo rap? So I'm old,
Speaker 1: I'm a man now. He they want they want to
Speaker 1: see you young whipper snappers, this snap boom. They wanted
Speaker 1: to see me hey, and I go, I can relate
Speaker 1: to that. You should have seen it. Clut huh, the
Speaker 1: old man. My parents didn't. I said, you know why
Speaker 1: I could relate to it because they said the same
Speaker 1: thing about me hip hop dehibit dehibbit. The difference between
Speaker 1: my generation and your genituation is when we got criticized
Speaker 1: about something, we stopped the music, said, oh, you don't
Speaker 1: think we can deliver contact. We wrote It's like that,
Speaker 1: we wrote the message. We wrote Planet Rock, and the
Speaker 1: list goes on and on. So when we went in
Speaker 1: to do the studio to do it's like that. Originally
Speaker 1: it's like that. It's kind of like a Curtis Blow record,
Speaker 1: because Run was the son of Curtis Blow and Russell
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Spicer. When you listen to the early hip
Speaker 1: hop that Russell was doing, they was doing, let's do
Speaker 1: this style, use R and B to get accepted. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in right, so I'm like, there's no acceptance to this.
Speaker 1: I can talk about going to McDonald's like busy b
Speaker 1: y'all we wrapped. I'm in the disco, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about see to the Apple, Apple to the call,
Speaker 1: I am the man with the rhyms the Lord rock
Speaker 1: a rhym for me and then the rhyme for you.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that. So originally it's like that
Speaker 1: was unemployment had a record high, people come in, people going,
Speaker 1: people going to die. Don't ask me because I don't
Speaker 1: know why. It's like that. If we would have made
Speaker 1: that message a little bit, it was, you know the
Speaker 1: Rappie rap, you know super Bowl that thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, no, do you know what they was doing
Speaker 1: before rappers, the Light and Larry Smith let me just say,
Speaker 1: the greatest hip hop producer ever that nobody knows about.
Speaker 1: He produced All Aroun DMC's first album, All Around dmc
Speaker 1: second album before Rick Rubin came and he's the guy
Speaker 1: that started Rock Box, No Walked This Way, no Rock.
Speaker 1: But long story short, So the message came out. If
Speaker 1: you remember, in the beginning, hip hop was all message records.
Speaker 1: So I guess I was doing an interview and I
Speaker 1: was doing an interview and I brought up that hip
Speaker 1: hop always does it the one hit record that is
Speaker 1: the top. It's crazy in this era the hit person
Speaker 1: at the top. Everybody under them sounds alike, and that's
Speaker 1: just a normal thing, right. And when I'm hearing the
Speaker 1: Cold Crush, they all rapping, but they got different rhyme routines.
Speaker 1: They told them about different things. So the message came out.
Speaker 1: Planet Rock came out. So we're going in and making
Speaker 1: it's like that record about the world. I'm studying this
Speaker 1: like Tony. I'm saying, Joe, you know what we gotta
Speaker 1: do it. This is like that record. We got to
Speaker 1: put the negative and the positive together. It's like that,
Speaker 1: and that's the way. That's why if you're listen, it's
Speaker 1: like that it's a message record. If we talk about unemployment,
Speaker 1: well we also talk about go to school this and
Speaker 1: then do so we combine that. So since I was
Speaker 1: a very smart kid to Joe d just go home
Speaker 1: and right a bunch of rounds how the world is.
Speaker 1: So when you're listening, it's like that it's me and
Speaker 1: Joe together. So Russell's plan and it's see the world
Speaker 1: is crazy. Russell's plan for Run was to be run
Speaker 1: the MC. So me coming in with the DMC work
Speaker 1: for Russell because if I sucked, he was gonna kick
Speaker 1: me out. The group Run was going to tour and
Speaker 1: do it's like that by hisself member Martha Wash, the
Speaker 1: fat lady that sung all the club records in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, but they put the pretty girl. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly how that Russell wanted to do that to me?
Speaker 1: But who was the person that he was gonna use?
Speaker 1: Oh do you want to know? So over in London
Speaker 1: at this time, hip hop was big. They knew about
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow, they knew about band, they knew about Flashing them.
Speaker 1: There was a and you could look this up there
Speaker 1: was a pioneering DJ over in England called Lady Blue
Speaker 1: who was doing hip hop everything band was doing and
Speaker 1: she would come over and learn she was taking him
Speaker 1: back there and this is like eighty one eighty early eighty,
Speaker 1: So Lady Blue, this is funny for Joe. Lady Blue
Speaker 1: is gonna be runs. DJ Run the MC with DJ
Speaker 1: Lady Blue. She had a pantomime hop blocker. Crazy shit,
Speaker 1: what is your thing? You're into this entertainment? I mean
Speaker 1: is it progressive thinking? Yes, sir, so Run is coming
Speaker 1: to me. We do it's like that, and Russell was like, DDE,
Speaker 1: get out the way, go sit down. Now, we gotta
Speaker 1: do we gotta do the beat. We gotta do the
Speaker 1: beat tam which was sucking Seats, just put a beat
Speaker 1: on them round. If you listen to Sucking Seas, it's
Speaker 1: three rhymes from Run because that was his solo record.
Speaker 1: So he goes in and he a's the record Run
Speaker 1: comes to me. D you gotta go in there and
Speaker 1: show Russell that you can wrap and that you're incredible,
Speaker 1: that you're like to get the best. And it's just
Speaker 1: Run telling me that you're the best out there. And
Speaker 1: he's telling me because I don't want to be with
Speaker 1: Lady Blue ind And I'm telling him run now, no, man,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm gonna I'm gonna like that this and that.
Speaker 1: Russey he said, and you know, run is it the
Speaker 1: crush Groove Run in the movie. That's what run would
Speaker 1: do to Russell. And He's like, Russell, this is it
Speaker 1: just going in. So I go on the booth and run,
Speaker 1: says Deed say a rhyme, and I'm like, yo, run,
Speaker 1: You're trying to get me for whatever. And he just says, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: just say your newest rhyme. What was my newest rhyme?
Speaker 1: I'm DMC. I'm deplaced to be say, I'm a passion
Speaker 1: to mind. Just saying your newest rhyme? I hit that verse.
Speaker 1: Russell walks in the studio. Oh my god, that's it.
Speaker 1: The name of the group is gonna be called Run DMC.
Speaker 1: Your initials are perfect. This and that boom boom boom,
Speaker 1: boom boom. So when we went into the studio, my
Speaker 1: thing was this, let's do what was being done in
Speaker 1: the parks and the box parties in the dark basements
Speaker 1: in New York City and not change our presentation of
Speaker 1: who we are just to get radio players, just to
Speaker 1: get accepted. So we did it. It's like that message
Speaker 1: record with some positivity in it. And then we did
Speaker 1: Sucking Seas. If you understand everybody was musical at the time.
Speaker 1: Good to everybody's sampling R and B and the oh
Speaker 1: who's the hot jam My love Love at the encore,
Speaker 1: or let's make a beat about that by me going
Speaker 1: and Rice to say these motherfuckers. It's using James Brown
Speaker 1: and jazz and this and that. So Sucking Seas boom
Speaker 1: tet tet just to beat people don't realize Sucking Seas
Speaker 1: was the first game changing element, not walked its way
Speaker 1: and all of that and not rocking that game later
Speaker 1: the first thing that happened to put hip hop on that. Yo,
Speaker 1: that's what the.
Speaker 2: Fact I'm light skin, I live in Queens and.
Speaker 3: You don't want to ask you when it comes to
Speaker 3: MCN how do you properly rank hip hop MC's because
Speaker 3: just like in basketball, skills have changed throughout the years, right,
Speaker 3: you know, so how do you rank a rapper from
Speaker 3: the eighties with somebody from the nineties or the two thousands.
Speaker 1: Like, how do you do that? Because I could, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you do it? There's no goat, there's it
Speaker 1: can't you can't say that just ago because everybody's so good,
Speaker 1: you know, people always It's funny throughout the years, people
Speaker 1: would ask me who's better eminem A, jay Z Chuck
Speaker 1: d Okay, that didn't say so you know if you
Speaker 1: tell that, you know what I'm saying this dude, Chuck said,
Speaker 1: I'm so versatile say it without rhyme, which is without
Speaker 1: running this book. Me and Rick Rubens shout out to
Speaker 1: Rick robat we tried to do this. Nobody ever did this,
Speaker 1: and now let's talk about skills. I'm so versatile say
Speaker 1: it overbeat boosh boosh, gosh boosh boosh, got boosh boom
Speaker 1: boot I'm so versatile, say it without rhyme, which is
Speaker 1: why they're after me. And they're on my back looking
Speaker 1: over my shoulder to see what I write. They hear
Speaker 1: what I say, and they want to know why why
Speaker 1: they could never compete on this level. Superstar status is
Speaker 1: my domain. Understand my rhythm, my patterns of lectures, and
Speaker 1: then you'll know why I'm on the run. That one
Speaker 1: verse Trump's every generation. So how do you rate the
Speaker 1: season rhime? For the fact that they have when they're
Speaker 1: on the stage and when they're in that crowd. That's
Speaker 1: how you do it. See when Melley mel battled Eminem
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that the mal came out
Speaker 1: with that thing. Somebody said it sounds like somebody. Ai
Speaker 1: Mail's response to that. All male had to do was
Speaker 1: do you when I wanted? When? When Pete Rock produced us,
Speaker 1: Pete Rock produced Down with the King, Down, the eighties changed,
Speaker 1: eighty nineties changed hip hop. We was loved in Pioneers,
Speaker 1: but we wasn't in. What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: when Pete Rock, what Run the MC did for Aerosmith,
Speaker 1: y'all brought Aerosmith back. Steven Tyland, Joe pay Yes, I
Speaker 1: did the same thing that we did for Aerosmith, Pete
Speaker 1: Rock did for us. When now at the King we was.
Speaker 1: We wasn't participation, We wasn't on the chart, we was
Speaker 1: in the We wasn't on MTV you no more. So
Speaker 1: Pete Rock brings us back. When I remember going in
Speaker 1: that session with Pete Rock and he said, D you
Speaker 1: ain't gotta be M and M. You ain't gotta be
Speaker 1: jay Z, you don't gotta be cool Rock give me
Speaker 1: that DMC shit. So I was like, okay, he asked me,
Speaker 1: what are you doing right now? I'm taking the toys
Speaker 1: and raking the land and keep a hard caught because
Speaker 1: it's dope. Man. She's all the roughest, toughest words. And
Speaker 1: I wrote, damn not meant for a hole like a soul,
Speaker 1: Damn second suck up sez. So all male had to
Speaker 1: do when you talk about Ray and all male had
Speaker 1: to do is what he did on pump. Pumped me
Speaker 1: up to battle that. Don't try to flip it up,
Speaker 1: but I can't even move like, don't try to be
Speaker 1: what what? What? See? When I went to Rice, I
Speaker 1: realized what these kids. The celebration of hip hop wasn't
Speaker 1: a fifty year celebration it was. It was a goddamn lie.
Speaker 1: The celebration that we just had was the forty four
Speaker 1: year celebration of recorded rap because they set his Coolhork
Speaker 1: seventy three and they jumped to seventy nine. All the
Speaker 1: record making motherfuckers. They didn't talk about what I came
Speaker 1: in up, all the this and that and this, and
Speaker 1: you didn't hit you only no mo d from battling
Speaker 1: LLL you didn't him more with the Treacherous Three, who
Speaker 1: is just as dope as Scarface and just as dope
Speaker 1: as a drake. So how do you rate them? You
Speaker 1: can't rate them. You got to go and see what
Speaker 1: they do and put these motherfuckers in the class by themselves.
Speaker 1: Mail all had mel had to do them. M and
Speaker 1: M rappers might be willing, but they ain't able because
Speaker 1: I was dick king straight from my cradle, screamed in hollowod,
Speaker 1: shook my rattle, trimped out of defeating them all in battle.
Speaker 1: There was no food in my silver spoon. But I
Speaker 1: grew up hard, and I grew up soon. I'm a
Speaker 1: righteous king and I'm hungry too, and I eat a
Speaker 1: punkster rap like you. I met kid that's all meld
Speaker 1: to play game the fifty yard old. Now go in
Speaker 1: there and do what you I was sitting on the
Speaker 1: corner just to waste my time. When I realized it
Speaker 1: was the King of the rhyme, I got on the microphone,
Speaker 1: and what do you see? The rest was my legacy.
Speaker 1: I was born to be the king of this hip
Speaker 1: hop's thing. With stallions and medallions and diamond rings on
Speaker 1: a mansion in the yacht cool, million and gold. Because
Speaker 1: rap is the game that I control. I'm like Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: I'm a pioneer, and I made rap something people wanted
Speaker 1: to hear see Before I came, it was the same
Speaker 1: old thing with the baldy they do all that street
Speaker 1: call game. So if you ever let me make this clear,
Speaker 1: if you ever think that, I'm going out ahead. If
Speaker 1: you so, people ain't no mel from the record go
Speaker 1: to see I'm such a fan. I don't care. I
Speaker 1: don't care about you on your record. I'm not in
Speaker 1: hip hop as as look, I'm not scarface, I'm not nice.
Speaker 1: But for Scarface, Bumpy Knuckle and Koujie Rap to tell me, yo,
Speaker 1: d you're the best. You cut the head off the devil,
Speaker 1: and you can't rate it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: For them to tell me that, so you can't you
Speaker 1: can't rate it. So what run DMC did is this.
Speaker 1: Let me calm down.
Speaker 3: When you see this, doctor turn back to Bruce Bennett.
Speaker 1: I get excited about I gave you what Run DMC.
Speaker 1: We didn't create it. People go, we know hip hoplished
Speaker 1: before you, but you'll created No. Run DMC is the
Speaker 1: pioneers of recorded rap we took if you listen to Adidas,
Speaker 1: we took the beat from the street. As it was,
Speaker 1: everybody else was wearing tracksuits, everybody else was wearing Adidas,
Speaker 1: everybody else was wearing Gazelle's. Everybody else was kangos getting
Speaker 1: across sheepskins and up. We took the beat from the street.
Speaker 1: We took the culture from the street because of mt TV.
Speaker 1: We put it on TV for all a c That
Speaker 1: was our pioneering role. That's what we did. But Mel
Speaker 1: is just as dope as pun. Now, everybody would say,
Speaker 1: eminem Andre three thousand, what about Bunny? Yeah, absolutely, Nobody
Speaker 1: never puts him in the top five. This is gonna
Speaker 1: blow your mind. In the top five from just from
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand and Lauren Hill never had a rap verse.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is Emmine fans, jay
Speaker 1: Z fans, Run fans, everybody else can. UT's all right,
Speaker 1: Lauryn Hill and Andre three thousand never got it all right.
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill is in the top five of MC's And
Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, just go listen to what's
Speaker 1: out there available and tell me what dude is better
Speaker 1: than her? Now, no, I can't.
Speaker 3: She's though, I think the only thing they'll say about
Speaker 3: Andrey and Lauren is they didn't I don't agree with
Speaker 3: that with Andrey because he had the whole outcast catalog.
Speaker 3: But with Lauren, say, she didn't give us enough.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right? But no, all I'm saying is just
Speaker 1: listening to what she did. I'm just saying that you
Speaker 1: got tape from Harlem. You got tapes from Harlem World
Speaker 1: with Spoony g coming into the Christmas Wrap convention with
Speaker 1: every MC and New York. And he didn't come spit
Speaker 1: no love rap stuff. He said, tis tis appreciate this
Speaker 1: For some of you MC's are taking a risk trying
Speaker 1: to take him a chair, but these guys had that thing.
Speaker 1: So for me, when I came in, I knew I
Speaker 1: wasn't the best. I know, I wasn't mal I know
Speaker 1: I wasn't even running. But my thing was what was
Speaker 1: Spider Man do? What would the Hope do? What with
Speaker 1: the Thor? So my hope, My whole presence in hip
Speaker 1: hop was Now that I'm doing comic books, people said,
Speaker 1: I know why I like you now. Thor is the
Speaker 1: son of Odin from Asgard, has a brother named Lolai,
Speaker 1: and he has a hammer. I saw that, and I
Speaker 1: saw a hip hop dude, my old man at DMC
Speaker 1: can transform into the devastating my controller. My name is Daryl,
Speaker 1: I'm from Hollis. My father's name is excuse me, Byford,
Speaker 1: and I got a brother named Alfred, so I became
Speaker 1: son of Byford, brother of al Banner's my mother and
Speaker 1: run my palth it's McDaniels, not McDonald's. These rhymes are Darrel's,
Speaker 1: those Burghers are Ronald's. I ran down my family tree,
Speaker 1: so hip hop gave me away to be enthusiastic about
Speaker 1: who I am at whatever points in my life. I
Speaker 1: gotta ask.
Speaker 2: So when run DMC takes off, right in the world
Speaker 2: is looking at Run DMC. They're looking at these two
Speaker 2: black brothers on every TV screen.
Speaker 1: Brothers, brothers, did.
Speaker 2: Y'all understand the impact and how was your mental during
Speaker 2: that time because y'all were kids from Queen's from Hollis
Speaker 2: than now all of a sudden, YO were in every household,
Speaker 2: selling out.
Speaker 1: Sholds and concerts, and it was the scariest thing ever.
Speaker 1: It was the scariest thing ever. But we knew Jay
Speaker 1: Jay was funny. Jay's thing was yo. We gotta watch
Speaker 1: all to day. We gotta watch what we say. We
Speaker 1: gotta watch what we do. Let's say I sniffed more
Speaker 1: coke and the earth could put on the Earth running.
Speaker 1: Jason smoked more weed. I drunk a case of Old
Speaker 1: English today. But Yo, if they wearing glasses like Dan
Speaker 1: wearing had some tractions like us and Adidas like us,
Speaker 1: we can't be talking about you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We knew we had a big influence, so that's why
Speaker 1: we was careful. So we had to figure out how
Speaker 1: could we be the hardest thing ever without being disrespectful,
Speaker 1: profane and still relate to these brothers and sisters in
Speaker 1: the streets. That's why I came up. Most of our
Speaker 1: records were rhyme routines. You know, col Crush had It's us.
Speaker 1: You know, it's us, the Cold Crush. You know the
Speaker 1: force some c's before they were to force some d's.
Speaker 1: We are called. You put to be steal a melody.
Speaker 1: Let's steal Let's steal all Anxion from from the New
Speaker 1: Year's Thing. Oh, let's steal Let's steal Bob Dylan melody.
Speaker 1: We would steal melodies and you would make it over
Speaker 1: the hip hop beast. So when we got to that
Speaker 1: point and everybody was saying, raps are fat, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a commercial. And you know, all the singers
Speaker 1: that hated us, not like the Ramones, not like lou Reed,
Speaker 1: not like Share, they loved this. I remember when we
Speaker 1: met Bond Joe, you guys are incredible. But the critics
Speaker 1: in the journalists and a lot of so caught real
Speaker 1: magicins hey this. So when I wrote It's tricky to
Speaker 1: rock a rhyme, I'm trying to tell you know, it's
Speaker 1: tricky to do. You this ain't easy. But to do
Speaker 1: that and maintain that level in this business that you're
Speaker 1: not accepting it. So for us, it was always a
Speaker 1: thing where okay, let's sit down. The first thing we
Speaker 1: have to do is when everybody's doing we're gonna do
Speaker 1: something different. So when everybody was doing music, we broke
Speaker 1: it down to sucking seas just beat. Everybody jumped to
Speaker 1: the beats. When everybody jumped to the beats, this is
Speaker 1: eighty four. When we put out the run ec hour,
Speaker 1: let's put out rock box, Let's put some guitars on it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nothing knew why we didn't create rock rap,
Speaker 1: you know, create a rap rock rap? Who heard Grand
Speaker 1: Master Flash, Africa, Ban Botta, Graham, Wizard Theater and Charlie
Speaker 1: Chase Because in the crates of every DJ from seventy
Speaker 1: three to seventy nine was break, jazz, R and B
Speaker 1: funk disco. When disco got thrown away. I remember I
Speaker 1: was a kid. I woke up one day and ever
Speaker 1: the whole world was going Disco sucks and it was
Speaker 1: an overnight there. But hip hop said that shit ain't God.
Speaker 1: It does give it to us. But I realized in
Speaker 1: the crates Rush, Tom Sawyer was always in there. Walk
Speaker 1: this Way was in there. Me and ruders didn't know
Speaker 1: it was called Walk to Sway Aerosmith. We just knew
Speaker 1: get the album out with the toys and play number four,
Speaker 1: so we knew that this is what may run DMC
Speaker 1: so unique. We did what we was doing at twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: and fifteen on record. Now, let me say this, that's
Speaker 1: because that's what meil. You know, everybody else was doing
Speaker 1: before us when they got into showbis. The greatest hip
Speaker 1: hoppers or so caught rappers in the history of rapping
Speaker 1: is everybody before recorded rap. But for them when they
Speaker 1: started making their records, the first rappers didn't have rappers
Speaker 1: to look up to. Now the flyers were meiling them
Speaker 1: with Sheepskins and Martinecks and God all my hats and Madiana.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The only one out of
Speaker 1: mely Meal that stayed that, the only one out of
Speaker 1: the first five that was like me running Jay was Cowboy.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of times Cowboy put on some little tassels,
Speaker 1: but he didn't put on that other stuff when they
Speaker 1: got into showbiz. When this hip hop thing that nobody
Speaker 1: believed in gets to show biz, now number one, they're
Speaker 1: changing their delivery, they're changing their presentation, They changed who
Speaker 1: they really are to fit in. So when they get
Speaker 1: into showbiz, they don't not have no rappers to look
Speaker 1: up to because they're the first one. So if you
Speaker 1: look at mal Africa, Bambada, if you look at Africa
Speaker 1: Bamboda and the Zulu nation so solid for us, they
Speaker 1: look like Parliament Funkadelic. If you look at Grandmass of Fashion,
Speaker 1: the first five mode in all them, they look like
Speaker 1: the sex Pistols, they look like the Rolling Stones, and
Speaker 1: they looked like Rick James because they in show. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the showbiz arena. When me and Rome was
Speaker 1: coming in, we was like, we didn't hip hop, didn't
Speaker 1: let we hip the music business, didn't let hip hop
Speaker 1: come in for me and Run. In Jay's perspective, we
Speaker 1: bringing this hip hop shit to the music business because
Speaker 1: nobody does it. So when we stopped, when Russell let me, oh,
Speaker 1: circum season good, It's like the Russell's whole thing was
Speaker 1: you'll need wardrobe, you'll need wardrobe you So me and
Speaker 1: Ronman said, yeah, you're cool, but we ain't wearing that shit.
Speaker 1: Who y'all want to dress like the drug dealers or no,
Speaker 1: we want to dress like jam Master j and DJ Hurricane. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Andrew Jackson High School, ninth grade, tenth grade,
Speaker 1: and eleventh grade the way run DMC. Look, that's how
Speaker 1: jam Master Jay and Hurricane was going to school, the
Speaker 1: Black Godfather. Yes, well, what that happened was there's a
Speaker 1: couple of there's this picture of me and Run at
Speaker 1: the Fever. We all over the place, no coordination. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, in my early first shows, I'm wearing pullmans.
Speaker 1: You're just didn't see my feet run out on the data.
Speaker 1: Is I I got. I had on black blue Pullmans
Speaker 1: with the white strike. But this is what happened. We
Speaker 1: get a gig at the Disco Fever. The first time
Speaker 1: that we were supposed to play the Fever, we pull
Speaker 1: up the Jay House. We didn't know about this thing
Speaker 1: called soundcheck, so we had to be at the Fever
Speaker 1: six thirty for soundcheck. Jay went to Jamake Avenue to
Speaker 1: get fly, so he missed the first show that run DMC,
Speaker 1: head of the Fever, DJ star Child, legendary DJ star
Speaker 1: Child job. He dj' for us. He DJ is like
Speaker 1: the circum Seeds. But the next time that we played
Speaker 1: the Fever, because after the Fever saw us, they know
Speaker 1: who run DMC was, but they didn't know. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with this DJ rung guy. So when we
Speaker 1: took to stage the Fever did this. Imagine the Fever's
Speaker 1: this sal Albaatello entry, ladies and gentlemen straight out of Queens.
Speaker 1: Run DMC and it's the Fever. Music is playing and stuff.
Speaker 1: DJ Junebug at the Beano. When we took to stage,
Speaker 1: you can't hear to turn the blen and you heard this,
Speaker 1: But then when that shit said boom tet t t
Speaker 1: t tet oh. That's who they are. So the fevers
Speaker 1: brought us back. This is how we found our look,
Speaker 1: our style and us sound. Because if you listen to
Speaker 1: Sucking Seas, run doesn't say j cut the record down
Speaker 1: to the bone. He says Dave cut legendary DJ dav
Speaker 1: D Curtis blows DJ who had more records than Africa Bambara.
Speaker 1: It's debatable. So we pull up to Jay's house for
Speaker 1: sound checking the fever. James, I A'm missing this one.
Speaker 1: We beat the horn. Jay comes out on his steps.
Speaker 1: He steps out the door. He got the black Adida
Speaker 1: jacket with the white stripes on. He got some black
Speaker 1: Lee's remember the flavor get on black leaves, held on
Speaker 1: brand new white Adidas with the blue stripe no lasers,
Speaker 1: and lasers was around his neck so his his tongues
Speaker 1: were sticking up, sticking up like tombstones. And he got
Speaker 1: the JVC four speaker box on. He got a little
Speaker 1: gold chain on, and he got the Godfather hat. He
Speaker 1: steps out onto his step. Larry Smith our producer's goals.
Speaker 1: He goes to otter yo, that's shit all we finished it,
Speaker 1: finished the form. That's our outfit. So when we put
Speaker 1: Jay in the group, it's me and Run made the
Speaker 1: record first. And when the records started getting hot, Russell Bulls,
Speaker 1: you got a DJ and runs a whole. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about that part. Jay was the best DJ in Hollis.
Speaker 1: So Jay gave us our look. And what was about
Speaker 1: putting Jade on. He's a member of the Hollis crew.
Speaker 1: So now we can go into all other roles. We
Speaker 1: can go into Connecticut, and we could go into Jersey
Speaker 1: and the stick up kids can't mess with us because
Speaker 1: his college crew is our backing.
Speaker 3: Now, listen, DMC is here because there's a new three
Speaker 3: part documentaries on Peacock Kings from Queens, the Run DMC story.
Speaker 3: So even though we get in all of this now,
Speaker 3: I still want you all to go watch it on Peacock.
Speaker 1: But while we're here, just.
Speaker 3: In depth on the Peacocks, very in depth, just for
Speaker 3: radio purposes, I want to ask you has Run DMC
Speaker 3: felt like Run DMC since the passing a damn message?
Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all. People always say, oh,
Speaker 1: it could be an album and the tour and my joke,
Speaker 1: but they get it. This only way you could shut
Speaker 1: people up, Run DMC will tour when the Beatles get
Speaker 1: back together. You know what I'm saying, It can't happen now.
Speaker 1: When we do show up, it's not Run DMC, it's
Speaker 1: Reverend Running King DMC, the two members who used to
Speaker 1: be in that band Jay. It can't Run DMC don't
Speaker 1: exist without Jay. You know what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 1: want to know who Run DMC is, go back and
Speaker 1: look at all the videos. Listen to the red that's
Speaker 1: Run DMC, me and Run of the two surviving members
Speaker 1: of that band.
Speaker 3: And it's the same in this generation with the Migos,
Speaker 3: God Bless take off like you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if you make the record is something weird.
Speaker 1: And the only way that Run MC could co exist
Speaker 1: as a group is a brilliant thing. And you know
Speaker 1: it's fifty years of hip hop. Where can we go now?
Speaker 1: So for Run DMC to exist, for me and Run
Speaker 1: to exist or artistically and creatively, we would have to
Speaker 1: reform a new band. If you look at David Grow,
Speaker 1: look look what the rockds do. Paul McCartney left the Beatles.
Speaker 1: He didn't try to keep the The Beatles legacy is untouchable,
Speaker 1: like Run DMC. But when Paul went sol, he start
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and ring like I got a band. Now
Speaker 1: I do all my catalog live live drumming guitars. It's
Speaker 1: called DMC and the Hell Racers to give homage to
Speaker 1: Raising Hell. So if you look at Soundbard and Audio,
Speaker 1: they all Marph. You know what I'm saying. So hopefully
Speaker 1: hip hop will get to that. Will can we go? Now?
Speaker 1: Now we have to figure out how once you get
Speaker 1: into the stadiums, you got to figure out how do
Speaker 1: you keep the legacy going if you're still a cohesive man,
Speaker 1: or how do you continue on When you look at
Speaker 1: people that used to play for Crusby still young and Nash,
Speaker 1: when you look at when you look at Pink Floyd,
Speaker 1: the two dudes from the band, they do their own things.
Speaker 1: Maybe once in a while they'll show up. So if
Speaker 1: you see me and run you singing, oh shoot, Paul
Speaker 1: McCartney played with Ringo last night, so they answer your question.
Speaker 1: Charlotte may know, it's no run DMC without jam. That's
Speaker 1: a jay because every record is run DMC and jam.
Speaker 1: That's the jam. That's a j And And the funny
Speaker 1: joke is when we first started out. People thought we
Speaker 1: was an R and B group, and now check this out.
Speaker 1: When we first came out, we was playing a fever.
Speaker 1: We was playing all the roller skating rings, and he
Speaker 1: was playing all the clubs. But on the on the
Speaker 1: on the national scene, we was opening up for Lou Reed.
Speaker 1: We's opening up for Z's Top, We's opening up for
Speaker 1: Marvin Gate. We was opening up for Parliam and Funkindelik
Speaker 1: and I remember this era, we was opening up for
Speaker 1: the Gap Band comfunction in the Barcades. Here's a funny story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I told this in the duct,
Speaker 1: but the funny story was we was opening that for
Speaker 1: the Gap Band, you know, Charlie and all of them,
Speaker 1: right right, So he's opening that. We had twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: so we would go out there for twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: bus ass like crazy. We would leave. They would be dog,
Speaker 1: don't leave, then come back for it. In the Gap Band,
Speaker 1: we'll go out to play. So we own a tour.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of the tour, the whole Gap band,
Speaker 1: the whole staff, the whole management, everybody that was part
Speaker 1: of the whole tour. Hey we we love you rap guys.
Speaker 1: And there was It was kind of like this, Oh
Speaker 1: we loved you, run DNJ, because you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: here in two years. This rap shit is gonna die whatever.
Speaker 1: So you have open access. Here's the hot food. You
Speaker 1: don't have to just eat the craft table. You could
Speaker 1: come in the green room, this and that. The bus
Speaker 1: is over here, here's the real good showers and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. All of a sudden, halfway through the tour
Speaker 1: were starting. Now you can't go over in the this
Speaker 1: is true. No y'all can't go over there. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: y'all over here. They put us in the broom closet.
Speaker 1: So one day and we're in the broom closet sitting
Speaker 1: and me running Jay say, this is me running Jay,
Speaker 1: the promoter and Charlie Wilson's manager, Charlie Wilson and the
Speaker 1: other guy from the Gap band. It coming out dressing room.
Speaker 1: So you're run. That's the MC. This is Jay, So
Speaker 1: it's the promoter. Knock on the broom closet to a
Speaker 1: boom boom. Can we speak to your guys? Okay, cool, promoter, manager,
Speaker 1: Charlie Wilson, the other guy from the Gap band. We'd
Speaker 1: like to talk to you about something Charlie Wilson run
Speaker 1: DMCJ is standing like this to us. Wow, Charlie, it's
Speaker 1: a fatal We loving every minute of it. Mad as
Speaker 1: a fuck. Excuse me, guys for the rest of the tour.
Speaker 1: We would like y'all to close the show you headline
Speaker 1: of money or you like y'all to close the show?
Speaker 1: Ain't that right? Yard, It's the funniest shit ever. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. We was bought because we ain't had no instruments.
Speaker 1: We had it, but nobody could flock with Jay come
Speaker 1: out by itself of some turnative ladies. Gentlemen, I'm jam
Speaker 1: as Jay run about now boom, don't you here call me,
Speaker 1: I'll come out check the micro No, they couldn't mess
Speaker 1: with us. So to ask me, did I see hip
Speaker 1: hop doing this? No? Why? Because I was doing it
Speaker 1: there and now you got the rest the capitalism herd
Speaker 1: of help hip hop it helped it. It's people's attitudes
Speaker 1: because what has happened when I hip hop Chean Lamagne,
Speaker 1: we have forsaken our responsibility. When you walk to that microphone, Derrick,
Speaker 1: I was doing this all day yesterday, this this, this,
Speaker 1: this documentary is gonna let you know, nine to nine
Speaker 1: point nine of the people say they hip hop ain't
Speaker 1: hip hop. Now, don't get me wrong, capitalism did this.
Speaker 1: I never thought that my culture that we brought to
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry could get dilute, they polluted, and destroyed.
Speaker 1: But now I realize, from reading and studying how things
Speaker 1: go over the generations, and even from my own situation,
Speaker 1: anything that's sacred and holy to a culture or a
Speaker 1: group of people would get diluted, polluted, and destroyed once
Speaker 1: it's commercialized. Now that's a good thing. But what has
Speaker 1: happened now is I never thought. Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: goat understand what I'm saying. Aim When you look at music,
Speaker 1: Let's say Sheryl Crow, for instance, who's huge, sells a stadium,
Speaker 1: sells records in that or she she don't even need electronics.
Speaker 1: All she need is an acoustic guitar and she could
Speaker 1: perform in front of ten people of ten thousand people.
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, on the other hand, love her, love great artists,
Speaker 1: but she needs a writing, she needs a quiry and
Speaker 1: this and that that. I never thought hip hop would
Speaker 1: have that. So what capitalism has done is the money
Speaker 1: has come in and you can tell me this is
Speaker 1: what's going on. There are artists who are in the
Speaker 1: recording business that hip hop is now in recording raps
Speaker 1: over music for the purpose of success in the music industry.
Speaker 1: That's not hip hop. As Tretch in KG, hip hop
Speaker 1: is you gotta have a DJ turntables mix it. The
Speaker 1: DJ's part of the whole Creazio MC's you making that
Speaker 1: on records. So now you got people rapping over music,
Speaker 1: selling records. That's not hip hop. For whatever your opinion
Speaker 1: about it. I relate to mumble rap because they said
Speaker 1: I was mumblem but I just showed them I don't
Speaker 1: mumble only nobody's doing that right now. But whatever your
Speaker 1: opinion of this is, people are doing what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do to survive in the music business. That's cool. But
Speaker 1: Eric Sermon has been saying this for the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to all of these great artists, but don't
Speaker 1: call that shit hip hop. What the music business has
Speaker 1: done to sell ignorance, disrespect, degrading, low grading, asinine, comp concepts, images,
Speaker 1: and content is they'll take a piece of shit, label
Speaker 1: it hip hop just to sell it. That's what's happening.
Speaker 1: Eric Sherman, he said this. They should have called it
Speaker 1: something else. It should have been a different name, because
Speaker 1: these artists ain't doing what mal Or rock Him's doing.
Speaker 1: I'm taking me out of depicsion. I'm talking about people
Speaker 1: that I looked, that came after me, that I look
Speaker 1: up to. So the capitalism didn't hurt anything. It's the
Speaker 1: attitude of the people because of the success. Now, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. The proof is in the pudding. You
Speaker 1: got artists that will in your face and say, I
Speaker 1: don't do this for the coach. You're doing for the money.
Speaker 1: That's cool. It's no different matter. Yeah, yeah, and that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's cool. So my thing is this fifty years of
Speaker 1: hip hop. What we have to do as a community
Speaker 1: of people globally is put shit in perspective and take
Speaker 1: back our hip hop and place it where it's supposed
Speaker 1: to go represented as the way it's supported. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with you talking about your gun. This has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with censorship and freedom of speech. You can
Speaker 1: talk about whatever you want. But for me coming to
Speaker 1: see what was going on before me, seeing run DMC
Speaker 1: did and seeing what we inspired after that, here's the
Speaker 1: mind blowing thing. When you look at this documentary, everybody
Speaker 1: from ice Cube to Chuck the Public Enemy and everybody
Speaker 1: in between. What's interviewed talking about Jermaine Duprix, Eminem very
Speaker 1: diverse and stuff like that. Everybody who is interviewed for
Speaker 1: this documentary about Run DMC. Who's talking about Run DMC.
Speaker 1: Everybody sounds and looks different. All of them are top
Speaker 1: tier artists, but not one artist sounds the same, raps
Speaker 1: the same, or even uses the same music. So when
Speaker 1: I look at that, I'm like, wow. So people are saying,
Speaker 1: look at what your girl gave birth to. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm over here with them. We're looking at what everybody
Speaker 1: before nineteen seventy nine, when when raps started selling records
Speaker 1: gave birth to. So when I'm looking at this documentary,
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at my accomplishments. I eard my accomplishments
Speaker 1: from day one. Yo. That's sucking sea shit. Nobody talked
Speaker 1: to ours about sem seas asking what's the greatest thing
Speaker 1: that happened in the p oh that thing? But when
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this, Run would always say this to
Speaker 1: me and Jay before j passed away. Yo. You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy, man. Everybody got the experience to run DMC
Speaker 1: phenomena except us, because we don't more the ones doing it. Now,
Speaker 1: I can look and know that I'm not better than
Speaker 1: Ice Que, I'm not better than chucking this, and that
Speaker 1: I am them, and what I mean by that. I
Speaker 1: was telling people that that saw the doc already yesterday.
Speaker 1: I said, take money MC out there crazing up this documentary,
Speaker 1: Ice cue Eminem and all of them, take our names
Speaker 1: and word it's out our recognition out their mouths. Every
Speaker 1: artist sitting it was actually sitting there talking about themselves.
Speaker 1: Everything run DMC did was never for run DMC, was
Speaker 1: for our coach.
Speaker 2: They got to go, They got another interview, but you
Speaker 2: know you gotta come back because we gotta have a
Speaker 2: long conversation.
Speaker 1: I know you have to go. I'll come back with
Speaker 1: more cookies, with more cookies. I just got to ask
Speaker 1: you one more question. I know you said it drink
Speaker 1: on Drink Champs.
Speaker 2: Yes, was run DMC supposed to be in the call
Speaker 2: with Tupac the ninety Yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many people, so many people was like, yo, dude,
Speaker 1: here's what happened. We get a call from Sugar Night
Speaker 1: they wanted us run DMC to perform at the app
Speaker 1: What was the name of the club in Vegas, the
Speaker 1: six club that they own, the Sugar, Yes in Vegas
Speaker 1: or we get a call. This is when the LECSA
Speaker 1: first opened, when it was fly was what Sug's putting up.
Speaker 1: So we come into Vegas and Sugar add So he
Speaker 1: goes on. Shug comes in with one hundred people into
Speaker 1: the lobby to lets her to make sure that we
Speaker 1: are So we get in our room, say that evening.
Speaker 1: Shug calls, Damn Eric, he's been with me for the
Speaker 1: thirty year. Shug says, Yo, me and Pak are coming
Speaker 1: to get the guys. Pop wants y'all to ride with
Speaker 1: him to the show and to the after party. Now cool, Now,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of comics on it. That's what
Speaker 1: somebody else said. Now, maybe we'd have got the thing
Speaker 1: and we would have said no, we'll meet you other whatever,
Speaker 1: But that was the order because they were treating us
Speaker 1: like so much. When we got to La Poc, Shug
Speaker 1: and all of the Death Row they were looking at
Speaker 1: us like we were fucking gods and they wanted to
Speaker 1: impress us. So what happened was Eric calls, No, Shug
Speaker 1: calls to come pick us up. This is true story
Speaker 1: and this it's a beautiful jam mass to Jay's story. Sure,
Speaker 1: goes Eric, I'm coming to get the guys now. He
Speaker 1: caught early and said Pap wants you to cool. So
Speaker 1: he calls An says Eric, I'm coming to get the guys. Right.
Speaker 1: Eric gos Nah, Sug, Y'll go by yourselves. We'll meet
Speaker 1: y'all there later. We'll meet you all at the after
Speaker 1: party later. And Sug goes, why in the true story
Speaker 1: this you're gonna laugh? Eric goes, because jam Master Jay
Speaker 1: is getting dressed now. People want to hear this, and
Speaker 1: everybody that was close to Jay's police Yo, because Jay
Speaker 1: would do this, all of the flies flows in the world.
Speaker 1: Charlamagne with you. This was your job for the next
Speaker 1: three hours. What about That's what was going on. So
Speaker 1: that's why we didn't ride. At least we might have
Speaker 1: been in the car with the gunshots because pop pop.
Speaker 1: There was no way Jay and Park ain't ride into
Speaker 1: the after Jane was that dude, So maybe I mean
Speaker 1: run we something else. But Jay might have been in
Speaker 1: the car. Let me rephrase that what I said on
Speaker 1: dress j would have done. But the reason why and
Speaker 1: you can talk talk to Kane asking you. He told
Speaker 1: me the stories that Kane will say. Jay will keep
Speaker 1: you there for he will try on Gucci leather, this
Speaker 1: and that, sneakers shoe. Yo, that's why we didn't even
Speaker 1: get a car with Wow. So love I love you Jay.
Speaker 3: I know you gotta go, But do you feel like
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a whole era of hip hop,
Speaker 3: in particular the eighties era that isn't getting this just due,
Speaker 3: but it's actually earlier than that. So it feels like
Speaker 3: the origin story of hip hop isn't being told.
Speaker 1: I've never heard our problem right now, fifty years of
Speaker 1: hip hop, we just getting started. Yes, we prove we
Speaker 1: could sell records. There are so many stories that we
Speaker 1: need to be telling now that can change our communities,
Speaker 1: our representation in all of these places of business. Check
Speaker 1: it out in four years. There are so many stories.
Speaker 1: What if y'all want to know something forget run the
Speaker 1: MC's documentary. I don't care about that. Go get La
Speaker 1: Sunshine's book. Go get La Sunshine's book. From the Trench, Charlemagne,
Speaker 1: you hit it right on the head. Now we need
Speaker 1: to have more stories in Hollywood to tell and here's
Speaker 1: the fun thing that run DMC documentary's gonna show. We
Speaker 1: still ain't touched the pinnacle musically. We still ain't touched
Speaker 1: the Pinnacle music. All of these artists now, excuse me,
Speaker 1: all of these artists now young and old. Now's the
Speaker 1: time to start having the Wall and Sergeant Pepper and
Speaker 1: Dark Side of the Moon I'm talking about. That's where
Speaker 1: we're at right now. Right now, I am the Four
Speaker 1: Tops of my generation, like the Four Tops and the
Speaker 1: temptations with my mother and father, didn't race it. And
Speaker 1: another thing, just to let your young people out there know,
Speaker 1: do not get it twisted as well about me Chuck
Speaker 1: d Big Daddy Kane and a couple of others. I
Speaker 1: speak at high schools and elementary schools all the day
Speaker 1: and I tell kids this, don't you get it twisted.
Speaker 1: The more you do something, the more you tell kids
Speaker 1: when you get that video game that first day you
Speaker 1: hated my son threw his controller and broke the hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars TV set, you know, I mean, what's your problem?
Speaker 1: Give it some time. I tell the kids. By the
Speaker 1: end of the week, you getting high scores, you might
Speaker 1: not hear me on the radio them all. You might
Speaker 1: not see me on MTV. No, moll, you might not
Speaker 1: see me in social media too much. But I tore
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days of all over the world.
Speaker 1: I was at high school me because I was a
Speaker 1: high school. This young dude trying to dish you'll run DMC, You,
Speaker 1: mister DMC, that old school stuff is over. You guys
Speaker 1: are over, and I said, thank you. Huh. The whole
Speaker 1: auditorium was like, what do you mean. I said, thank you.
Speaker 1: You're just speaking some more truth in than me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be so great. And he was like, he's trying
Speaker 1: to dis I said, yes, I just came over from
Speaker 1: England last week and I'm getting ready to go over
Speaker 1: to Singapore. You should have seen the high school thing.
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is old I'm in
Speaker 1: with this old school. It's not a time period you
Speaker 1: just said it. It's not a time period, It's a consciousness.
Speaker 1: You want to know what old school is. Old school
Speaker 1: is an attitude. Old school is an attitude meaning you know,
Speaker 1: were gonna getting new. We got you as a DJ.
Speaker 1: The only thing the hard drive does is you don't
Speaker 1: have to carry that thousand records you want to play,
Speaker 1: that's right, But you still get to play the thousand records, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we the old school
Speaker 1: guys have to embrace the change of everything, but you
Speaker 1: don't have to change who you are to fit in.
Speaker 1: You need to just show up and do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. Some of the top selling tours is that's right,
Speaker 1: old jeezy rolling Stones, AC, DC, this and that, and
Speaker 1: they just out there doing that thing. And what happens
Speaker 1: with this new generation. I was in Cleveland performing at
Speaker 1: this event with all the older rappers and the DJ's
Speaker 1: playing all the new music. So I'm performing and I
Speaker 1: got thirty minutes, right, thirty minutes to prove I'm worthy. Right.
Speaker 1: So the whole time, the young crowd, you know, they
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty two, they doing this my whole show,
Speaker 1: not moving once, So I don't care. I'm going to
Speaker 1: They doing this the whole show, about seventeen of the
Speaker 1: whole no movement at all. Finish cool, get on stage,
Speaker 1: come out with a dress to Who's waiting for me? Yo?
Speaker 1: My dad told me, man, but I never seen it.
Speaker 1: I never experienced it. And they tell me this, Yo,
Speaker 1: d I said, thank you. They said, yo, oh hey,
Speaker 1: you put it down harder than the youngins because they
Speaker 1: saying DMC at fifty five years old. But I'm acting
Speaker 1: like the twelve year old kid that was in his
Speaker 1: room writing around, trying to be like Flash in the
Speaker 1: first five That thing never changed. So to answer your question,
Speaker 1: capitalism didn't destroy nothing. We got a lot of people
Speaker 1: that we need to move from those places of position
Speaker 1: because I'm not get your money, but we don't need
Speaker 1: you on the front. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: about an attitude. I remember keros One said one day, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to check. Yes, you you're crazy. But then
Speaker 1: he said this. I said, wow, the teacher said this.
Speaker 1: He said, my first responsibility is that audience. So when
Speaker 1: you see this run DMC documentary, you're gonna see Durmain,
Speaker 1: You're gonna see m see Light, You're gonna see Eminem,
Speaker 1: You're gonna see Ice Cubes say this. Ice Cubes said,
Speaker 1: and I ain't gonna give it away now. February first,
Speaker 1: I DC story the docum series.
Speaker 2: Check it out Thursday, February first, on Peacock.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate you. We appreciate you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me here. I saw you'll have Grandmaster Flashes in
Speaker 1: the building. See y'all are hip hop. Y'all a hip hop.
Speaker 1: The other people is just radio stations. Y'all a hip hop.
Speaker 1: Your being appreciate while you're doing everything else. Appreciate that up, man.
Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. It's DMC. Wake that ass up
Speaker 1: in the morning. The Breakfast Club.