Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. It's a Fantasy pros Dynasty fantasy football podcast.
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Speaker 1: are here to talk about dynasty wide receiver rankings in
Speaker 1: the early playoffs, offseason, whatever you want to call it here,
Speaker 1: but FITS wide receivers extremely deep with a giant class
Speaker 1: coming in, so it's becoming an arms race at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: It's not like, hey, you know, there's a couple at
Speaker 1: the top that are separating. There are some really good
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the NFL right now, and it just
Speaker 1: keeps getting deeper and deeper with this class coming in.
Speaker 2: Some terrific young veterans. Bogs and you and I were
Speaker 2: geeking out before we started recording this show on Prospect Talk,
Speaker 2: and this is one of the better wide receiver classes
Speaker 2: I think that we've seen come into the NFL in
Speaker 2: some years now. So add that to a pretty impressive
Speaker 2: collection of young talent already in place in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and it's an exciting time to invest in wide receivers,
Speaker 2: which of course a very critical position in dynasty formats.
Speaker 1: You agree, right, it's becoming an arms race, right, you
Speaker 1: have to have three good ones, and you probably need
Speaker 1: a couple good ones on the bench just in case
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt because there are so many good ones, right, agreed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're not getting by with Rondelle Moore in
Speaker 2: your starting lineup.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly. That wide receiver three is less of a
Speaker 1: swing play and a lot of flex positions are a
Speaker 1: wide receiver now because there's so much more reliable than
Speaker 1: the running backs. But let's get into it. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it, and remember, as as you guys know, all
Speaker 1: of our early twenty twenty four consensus rankings and tiers
Speaker 1: can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. From
Speaker 1: there you can navigate to the dynasty rankings. It's super simple,
Speaker 1: so if you would like to follow along, go ahead
Speaker 1: and check that out. But let's start with the s tier,
Speaker 1: the Star tier here, number one, Justin Jefferson, number two,
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb number three, Jamar Chase number four. I'm honor
Speaker 1: Saint Brown and FITZI, you and I actually do disagree
Speaker 1: with who the number one is. I say, right, now
Speaker 1: it's hard to not have Ceedee Lamb at the top
Speaker 1: after that impressive It was really a historic type of
Speaker 1: fantasy season that he had. But justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: and a Mona Saint Brown. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: a really a wrong answer here. All of these guys
Speaker 1: are absolute studs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there really isn't.
Speaker 2: And Boggs like Lamb versus Jefferson to me is neck
Speaker 2: and neck. So like, I think maybe the reason why
Speaker 2: some people would give Lamb the edge for dynasty value
Speaker 2: is he has the quarterback in place right now, Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: who's still i would say in his prime or maybe
Speaker 2: his late prime, whereas the quarterbacks situation is something the
Speaker 2: Vikings still have to puzzle out.
Speaker 1: And availability the best ability. Ceedee Lamb the only one
Speaker 1: of this group to play all seventeen games right. Ana
Speaker 1: missed one, Jefferson missed seven, Jamar miss won and played
Speaker 1: Gimpi a lot this year, So health was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a factor in it here. You know, none
Speaker 1: of these guys are facing any major injuries, but for me,
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb being the guy to stay on the field. Also,
Speaker 1: when we're splitting tiny hairs and saying this guy is in,
Speaker 1: this guy is out. That's another factor for me, is
Speaker 1: you know, just recent probably a little recency bias on that.
Speaker 1: I'll give that up. But great, all these guys are great,
Speaker 1: all of them belonging this tier. The question is to me,
Speaker 1: fits does anyone else belong in this tier? Because we
Speaker 1: don't have you know, five and six just spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: The next tier are Aj Brown, Tyreek Hill? Do those
Speaker 1: guys belong in this tier or is this top four
Speaker 1: really all you can put in this top tier?
Speaker 2: I think you can consider AJ Brown there because he
Speaker 2: has been, you know, a premium producer in recent years
Speaker 2: and he's only twenty six. There was some slippage in
Speaker 2: Jalen hurts passing productivity this year. That's maybe the reason
Speaker 2: I would keep him out. If Jalen Hurts had been
Speaker 2: able to replicate his twenty twenty two season in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, I think AJ Brown would be in this tier.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's the difference, just that I'm not feeling
Speaker 2: great about the season.
Speaker 3: Hurts had as a passer. Tyreek.
Speaker 2: The issue with him bogs He's twenty nine, and remember
Speaker 2: last off season he maybe talked about playing three more years. Well,
Speaker 2: now we've got one of those seasons behind us. There's
Speaker 2: little doubt that he is going to produce like a
Speaker 2: rock star when he plays. But if we're only getting
Speaker 2: two more seasons of that, then can we put him
Speaker 2: in this tier?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: I think that. You know, first of all, Tyreek's a
Speaker 1: bit of a wildcard, right because he does He talked
Speaker 1: a lot, and I was watching our boy Trevor Sikima
Speaker 1: on PFF and they were talking about some of these
Speaker 1: contracts and stuff. I think his contract at twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five is cap numbers like fifty two million, so he
Speaker 1: is gone at least out of Miami at that point.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, you know, keeps having a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids, may have to stick in the NFL a
Speaker 1: little bit longer to put them all through college here.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if we can really trust when guys.
Speaker 1: When guys say they're going to retire at thirty, yeah, no, okay,
Speaker 1: you say that, And that is a smart play. And
Speaker 1: I think my ranking is more I am taking him
Speaker 1: at his word a little bit on that, because if
Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna play four or five more years,
Speaker 1: I would absolutely have him in this year, I probably
Speaker 1: have him second or third, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: So it's just he is tougher to rank because of
Speaker 1: the things that he has said, and he is the
Speaker 1: older gentleman of this next group, which speaking of, let's
Speaker 1: just go ahead and head down to it here, Fitzy,
Speaker 1: the eight tier five through ten would be A J.
Speaker 1: Brown ty f five, Tyreek Hill at six, Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: at seven, Pukinnaku had eight, chrys Olave at nine, and
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle at ten. Ericson had Tyreek Low at twenty one. Debro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Debro had him at twenty one, not Rickson. Erickson had
Speaker 1: him at nine. Is is that too far down the
Speaker 1: list for Debro?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is.
Speaker 2: I mean even if even if like he took a
Speaker 2: blood oath to only play two more years, I would
Speaker 2: have him ranked higher than number twenty one, and Bogs like,
Speaker 2: I'm more the long range guy in Dynasty and you're
Speaker 2: more the short window guy. But man, the short window.
Speaker 2: If it is in fact a short window for Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 2: it's a pretty glorious two years that you're gonna get
Speaker 2: from him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's talking points him and Ceedee Lamb are
Speaker 1: the only ones over three hundred points at the position.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I mean absolutely, I think for sure
Speaker 1: he is. He's at least the top ten guy because
Speaker 1: of the difference that he makes. So, Deebro, you've been
Speaker 1: called out. We still love you, but your ranking on
Speaker 1: Tyreek is wrong. Is there anyone here that you think
Speaker 1: is not getting enough respect or anyone that is Pooka
Speaker 1: getting too much respect? I guess I'll ask that you
Speaker 1: have him at eight. You're actually the second highest ranker
Speaker 1: on him out of the group of the four of us.
Speaker 1: Debro's eight or six, excuse me, I am nine, and
Speaker 1: Ericson is twelve, So we all have him as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver one here. He did have an extensive injury
Speaker 1: history in college, though are we I don't know. The
Speaker 1: year was so good and even in the playoffs he
Speaker 1: set the playoff rookie record for receiving yards. We've seen
Speaker 1: nothing but excellent. So I'm not trying to sit here
Speaker 1: in poke holes. But are we giving a little bit
Speaker 1: too much to Pooka too quickly? Or no? He set records.
Speaker 1: This is where he belongs.
Speaker 2: Because of the elite company he is in. And when
Speaker 2: we're talking about the rookie productivity he has. We're comparing
Speaker 2: him to guys like Justin Jefferson and Randy Moss, and
Speaker 2: because he's in that company, I think he has to
Speaker 2: be in the top ten. And I know he did
Speaker 2: have kind of an alarming injury history in college, but
Speaker 2: the fact that he made it through an entire seventeen
Speaker 2: game NFL season, didn't have any injury issues and had
Speaker 2: a massive reception total and target share, I think based
Speaker 2: on that, we should probably be injury agnostic with him
Speaker 2: moving forward and not thinking he's any sort of extraordinary
Speaker 2: injury risks. So for me, Boggs, this tier is pretty
Speaker 2: spot on. I mean, these guys are five, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 2: ten in our ECR, and I've got these guys five
Speaker 2: through ten in my own rankings, so I think it's
Speaker 2: inaccurate tier.
Speaker 1: I know that you have started rookie rankings and putting
Speaker 1: them in here. Any rookies in this tier this high,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't we can't put them up in
Speaker 1: the tippy top the top four yet, but can you
Speaker 1: put him in the top ten? And he of these
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, maybe Milik Neighbors. Do you think this is
Speaker 1: about where they.
Speaker 3: Would go, I'll put Marvin Harrison in the S tier.
Speaker 1: Oh, put him in the top four, so it would
Speaker 1: be five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and I think i'd put him ahead of
Speaker 2: Amanra so he is at least wide receiver four for
Speaker 2: me overall in rookie dynasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is an absolute stud. I think i'd put
Speaker 1: him at five though I think I just because we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in the NFL, that's all. You know,
Speaker 1: He's going to be a stud. He absolutely is. So
Speaker 1: but I think I would put him at five. But
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see when what we end up with.
Speaker 2: Would you put any of the other rookies in this tier,
Speaker 2: like either Milik.
Speaker 1: Neighbors in here? Absolutely? Yeah. Rome would be close, but
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I could get I
Speaker 1: don't know if I could get him ahead of like
Speaker 1: Waddle and Olave and those guys. So, but I would
Speaker 1: definitely put Malik in this tier. Malik is a difference
Speaker 1: maker for sure. I think Rome is too. But Rome
Speaker 1: had a lot of help, so I just want to
Speaker 1: see him do it. I mean, you know, obviously Lsu
Speaker 1: was great, Daniels was awesome, yet Brian Thomas as well,
Speaker 1: so it was helped from Malik as well, but I
Speaker 1: just think between those two guys, I'm siding with Malik.
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Speaker 1: tier eleven through twenty. We go start Brandon Ayak, go
Speaker 1: down to DeVante Smith, Michael Pittman, metcalf More Collins, Rice Higgins, Flowers,
Speaker 1: and Drake London. So let's talk about a couple of
Speaker 1: outliers here that you and I have ranked fairly high
Speaker 1: compared to ECR and fit. See, you have Davonte Smith
Speaker 1: at number eleven. His easyr is twelve, but you are
Speaker 1: high man among us all because I have him at nineteen,
Speaker 1: so does Ericson Debro has him at thirteen, So you
Speaker 1: were the high guy. Give us the used car sales
Speaker 1: pitch on DeVante Smith being a wide receiver one here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just have no doubts about his
Speaker 2: NFL future and his productivity When I watch him play,
Speaker 2: He's just so smooth and you know, already one of
Speaker 2: the better route runners I think in the NFL. Almost
Speaker 2: twelve hundred yards in twenty twenty two and ninety five
Speaker 2: catches over one thousand yards this year. Nine yards per
Speaker 2: target so far after three NFL seasons, which is pretty extraordinary,
Speaker 2: and nine point five yards per target in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: He's just really good.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't bother me at all that he plays
Speaker 2: with AJ Brown, and it just like, I think he's
Speaker 2: got a bright future, a guy who is going to
Speaker 2: get his targets no matter who is there because he's
Speaker 2: just so good.
Speaker 1: And this is the depth of this position, right I
Speaker 1: just made you fight for a Heisman Trophy winner exactly.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like this is, this is
Speaker 1: the depth of wide receiver right now. There are so
Speaker 1: many good number ones and I'll tell you mine. I
Speaker 1: have DJ Moore at ten. And my case is that
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've seen Dj Moore play with
Speaker 1: a really good quarterback yet, you know. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was mired in Carolina, he was stuck in Chicago with
Speaker 1: Justin Field. Now Justin Field had ups, but he had
Speaker 1: downs as well. So Caleb Williams coming in here, I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be the move. I know there's
Speaker 1: still debate within Bear's camp of do we stick with,
Speaker 1: you know, our guy Justin Fields. But I think the
Speaker 1: resetting the clock is the smarter thing, not only you
Speaker 1: know just in terms of the quarterback prospects, I would
Speaker 1: have Caleb Williams ahead of Justin Fie Fields. So I
Speaker 1: think Caleb Williams is the closest thing coming out to
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes that we've seen since Patrick Mallins is coming
Speaker 1: the league and set it on fire. So I am
Speaker 1: a Caleb Williams guy throwing through here. I like Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: I want my Steelers to trade for Justin Fields so bad,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we will because we already ripped
Speaker 1: off the Bears last year. So maybe we've burned that
Speaker 1: bridge right giving them Chase Claypool for that second round
Speaker 1: pick and get Joey Porter Jr. Who's a rookie Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year nominee. But I do think that
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is better. I think his number one is
Speaker 1: going to have a ton of targets and a ton
Speaker 1: of yards and him with Dj Moore, I mean, you
Speaker 1: get a guy that can extend the play. You saw
Speaker 1: glimpses of it with Justin Fields. I think it could
Speaker 1: be even better with Caleb Williams. So for me, with
Speaker 1: all these guys in terms of skill kind of being close,
Speaker 1: they do different things, most of them here. But I
Speaker 1: am so excited to see what this team looks like
Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams and DJ Moore as a number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So that's why I'm a little bit higher
Speaker 1: on Dj Moore.
Speaker 2: You actually make me guilty, feel guilty, Bogs for having
Speaker 2: Dj Moore only wide receiver thirteen, even though I'm pretty
Speaker 2: well ahead of debro and Erickson on him.
Speaker 1: And that's steel ahead of his consensus by the way, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as much as I like justin fields, he
Speaker 2: has never averaged even two hundred yards two hundred passing
Speaker 2: yards per game. And then there were all those seasons
Speaker 2: that DJ Moore was catching passes from Sam Darnold, Kyle Allen,
Speaker 2: I think Dusty cam Newton for one of those years,
Speaker 2: I believe. And yet this dude has had at least
Speaker 2: eleven hundred receiving yards and four of the last five
Speaker 2: seasons he's terrific.
Speaker 1: I mean, who's more impressive. Maybe DeAndre Hopkins with like
Speaker 1: Tyler Yates and Matt Schab and you know, like, I
Speaker 1: can't remember how far down it went with the bad
Speaker 1: text and QBS, but it was bad. Imagine him there
Speaker 1: with CJ. Stroud in his prime. That's what we could
Speaker 1: be getting with DJ Moore and Caleb Williams. Za Flowers
Speaker 1: has a wide ranking of a wide receiver one down
Speaker 1: to a wide receiver three. Amongst us so FITZI is
Speaker 1: ecr as nineteen. I got him as a wide receiver three.
Speaker 1: Erickson has him as a wide receiver one. You and
Speaker 1: debro are on different ends of the spectrum of a
Speaker 1: wide receiver two, fourteen and twenty one. But there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of variants here for Zay Flowers. Do you
Speaker 1: is it an understandable variance to you?
Speaker 2: It is because I'm very perplexed about what sort of
Speaker 2: player he is after his rookie year. I don't think
Speaker 2: we have a good handle on it. I don't think
Speaker 2: we know what sort of target share he's going to
Speaker 2: command throughout his career if he can be sort of
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's ever going to be an
Speaker 2: alpha receiver bogs, but is he ever going to command
Speaker 2: enough targets to be like truly valuable? A twelve hundred
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred yard guy. I'm not sure yet. And like
Speaker 2: we saw some big play, explosive desk for sure, like
Speaker 2: he showed us that, but he just never really gave
Speaker 2: us consistent productivity in his rookie year, which is a
Speaker 2: little concerning considering that Mark Andrews was out for a
Speaker 2: lot of the year and Zay Flowers still wasn't totally popping.
Speaker 1: Right, and this is a run first offense which had
Speaker 1: an immense amount of injuries to the backfield, right, FITZI
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they, you know, if they
Speaker 1: if we bring Derrick Henry and put him in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: which thank God warmly, he's not on the show today,
Speaker 1: by the way, we didn't fire him. He's on vacation,
Speaker 1: so he's doing great. But if they add Dereck Henry,
Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball fifty times in game. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so much Derrick Henry and Mitchell and Lamar
Speaker 1: running the ball, and then Mark Andrews is still probably
Speaker 1: number one target, Zay is easily here two maybe and
Speaker 1: maybe it's one, A, one B between them, right, maybe
Speaker 1: Zay takes over. Maybe Mark is more affected by this injury.
Speaker 1: Going into next year, right, we do have to take
Speaker 1: that into consideration at least, So maybe he is the
Speaker 1: wide receiver one, but he's still the wide receiver one
Speaker 1: on a team that is a run first offense. So
Speaker 1: that is why it's not the skill at all with Zay.
Speaker 1: For me, it's about the opportunity and the potential for production.
Speaker 1: I just think is lower than a lot of these
Speaker 1: other guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we like the talent, He's just a hard guy
Speaker 3: to project.
Speaker 1: We're all a little bit low on dk Metcalf, which
Speaker 1: surprised me because I feel like I'm a Dk Metcalf guy.
Speaker 1: But his ECR is fourteen. You and I fits have
Speaker 1: him at sixteen. He brought at nineteen, Ericson at eighteen.
Speaker 1: Is this just built in for variance or do you
Speaker 1: think we actually are low on Metcalf in opinion as well.
Speaker 2: He's going from being a young player to being a
Speaker 2: player who's in the prime of his career, so like
Speaker 2: we don't it's not like his prime is still ahead
Speaker 2: of him. I think he's now in his prime and
Speaker 2: he's going to have Jackson Smith and Jigba competing with
Speaker 2: him for targets for the long I don't know what
Speaker 2: they do with Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 3: But Lockett is still under contract for.
Speaker 1: A little bit too, you know, and he's not like
Speaker 1: a crazy cap hit either, I don't think. I think
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good deal they have with him. And
Speaker 1: they still have Kenneth Walker and Zach Sharboney.
Speaker 2: Right, and they don't have a star quarterback. You know,
Speaker 2: Gino's okay, but he's not a star. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if we can count on Dk metcalf for And
Speaker 2: as it is, DK isn't really one hundred catch guy anyway.
Speaker 2: He's gonna touchdown dependent and he's impactful. He's going to
Speaker 2: score a lot of touchdowns. He's going to make some
Speaker 2: big plays. He's probably going to get, you know, have
Speaker 2: a thousand yard seasons from now through the end of
Speaker 2: his career, But will he have the fifteen hundred yards
Speaker 2: Like I just don't think he has the sort of
Speaker 2: upside that you know you get from Justin Jefferson Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like he's obviously a very valuable dynasty commodity,
Speaker 2: He's just not one of the mostvolleyball dynasty receivers.
Speaker 1: He's just a tear down to us fits here a
Speaker 1: little bit lower on Brandon Ayuk, whose ECR is eleven.
Speaker 1: You and I both have him as a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 1: Debro and Rickson have him as a wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: Ericson has him at six, so very high on him.
Speaker 1: And Rashid Rice You're a little bit lower too. You
Speaker 1: have him at twenty. The rest of us have him
Speaker 1: between twelve, fourteen, seventeen, stuff like that. So just a
Speaker 1: little nitpicky on those guys.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Ayuk is in an amazing all
Speaker 2: around player, Like he does it all. He blocks, he's
Speaker 2: a good route runner, he's like, you know, just physical
Speaker 2: after the catch, pretty much everything. But this year, despite
Speaker 2: having a thirteen hundred yard season, he only averaged six
Speaker 2: point six targets per game, Like he was not really
Speaker 2: an alpha receiver. It was because he was so freakishly efficient.
Speaker 2: Twelve point eight yards per target this year, Like that
Speaker 2: is just insane. I don't think we're going to get
Speaker 2: year to year carryover with that sort of yards per
Speaker 2: target number. I think we can always expect Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 2: to be above average in that regard. But you know,
Speaker 2: last year, thousand yard season, six point seven targets per game.
Speaker 3: So if he.
Speaker 2: Levels out there, and you know, he probably will in
Speaker 2: the near term because they've still got Debo and Kittle
Speaker 2: on that team, you just have to wonder about the
Speaker 2: upside whether he can be a true alpha receiver, no
Speaker 2: no qualms with the player whatsoever. He's terrific. And then
Speaker 2: with Rashi Rice bogs, what I wrestle with is what
Speaker 2: happens if, you know, assuming Travis Kelsey doesn't retire along
Speaker 2: with his brother to conquer the sports media world, if
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey comes back and the Chiefs do what they
Speaker 2: should do, which is draft someone like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy or ke Kean Coleman at the end of
Speaker 2: the first round, and all of a sudden, maybe Rashie
Speaker 2: Rice is like number three in the target packing order there, okaycause, like,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to complain about the sort of
Speaker 2: game Rashi Rice has where he is a short area receiver.
Speaker 2: I think he averaged four point eight yards for his
Speaker 2: average depth of target this year. That's fine. I mean
Speaker 2: that can work. We've seen it with Deebo Simon two
Speaker 2: five point two Okay, like extraordinary with the ball in
Speaker 2: his hands. He's just amazing.
Speaker 1: The lowest by far of the guys that we have
Speaker 1: talked about. Yeah, JSN was six point four, but that's
Speaker 1: still you know, one point two yards more downfield, which
Speaker 1: is crazy. The only guy, the only other couple guys
Speaker 1: under double digits. Jamar was nine, a Mona was eight,
Speaker 1: Puka was nine, Pittman was eight. Everybody else over ten.
Speaker 2: And Deebo has shown that you can do that and
Speaker 2: make it work and still be really productive. Or Jalen Waddle,
Speaker 2: I think his first year had a really low average
Speaker 2: depth of target and still wildly productive. But all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, if you add another alpha receiver and you're
Speaker 2: not just competing with Marquez Veldez Scantling and Justin Watson,
Speaker 2: like you've got a real down downfield receiver who can
Speaker 2: beat cornerbacks and get open and let Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Really air out the arm. I'll a Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2: They're not going to find another Tyreek, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: find someone better than Justin Watson and Marquez Veldees Scantling
Speaker 2: to stretch the field in twenty twenty four, whether it's
Speaker 2: in the draft or free agency.
Speaker 1: So the only thing that I'll push back on because
Speaker 1: you're absolutely all of that is one hundred percent correct, right.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I'll push back on is that
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna take a guy like that
Speaker 1: again because Mahomes is eating up so much of the cap. Uh.
Speaker 1: They tried to make this work by spending money on MVS,
Speaker 1: by drafting sky Moore and then where she Rice was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a later pick that worked for them.
Speaker 1: So I think that they're going to spend those drafts
Speaker 1: picks on other positions and say, look, we can get
Speaker 1: some wide receivers off the scrap heap because it's worked
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's such a deep class that even
Speaker 2: if they don't do that in the first round, they
Speaker 2: can get a good guy in the second or third.
Speaker 1: You could get a second or third round value in
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round this year. It's really Yeah,
Speaker 1: the class is so deep here, one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go down to the C class here.
Speaker 1: As you guys can see if you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: it's Jackson Smith and Jigba at twenty one down to
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup at twenty nine. I've got a couple of
Speaker 1: low guys in this group here, FITZI and one. I
Speaker 1: was really surprised that how low I was compared to
Speaker 1: everybody else. One is JSN, and I'm actually higher than
Speaker 1: ECR on him. Just between Deebro and Erickson and Fitz,
Speaker 1: I'm the low man there. I got him at twenty. Fitz,
Speaker 1: you got him at fourteen, Deebro and Erickson have him
Speaker 1: at eleven. And for me, this is exactly what you
Speaker 1: talked about before, is the fact that we don't know
Speaker 1: who the quarterback is going to be their long term.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Gino, but they're getting a new head coach,
Speaker 1: and head coaches make changes, so maybe they bring in
Speaker 1: somebody else. Maybe they go to Drew Locke of Gino
Speaker 1: struggles in the new system. I don't know what's happening there.
Speaker 1: Lockett is still there. The running backs are both really good,
Speaker 1: really good, to the point where you probably should not
Speaker 1: be ignoring giving these guys forty touches between both of them, right,
Speaker 1: twenty for Walker, maybe twenty for Sharbonay, Like that is
Speaker 1: a winning formula. If you're not playing the Niners, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. If you're playing a run defense
Speaker 1: that's kind of soft. You should be running the ball
Speaker 1: with those two monsters. So I just I'm a little lower,
Speaker 1: but I'm still higher than the ECR. Y'all are just crazy,
Speaker 1: I think I personally, that's my belief is you and
Speaker 1: especially Dee bron Erickson are a little too crazy high
Speaker 1: on him, that's all.
Speaker 2: So I believe in the talent and he's still very young.
Speaker 2: And basically I've got my little horse blinders on Bogs
Speaker 2: and that's kind of all I'm looking at. I'm not
Speaker 2: really looking at whose quarterback is what the target competition
Speaker 2: is like because he has such a long career runway. Eventually,
Speaker 2: I just think he's gonna start cranking out thousand yards seasons,
Speaker 2: maybe when the circumstances are a little different.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe, if you're in win now mode with
Speaker 2: your dynasty team, he's a guy you're looking to trade
Speaker 2: because you could get a fortune for him from a
Speaker 2: rebuilding team. But if I'm a rebuilding team, he's a
Speaker 2: cornerstone of my rebuild.
Speaker 1: So the one that I think really is going to
Speaker 1: lead to some discussion here is the fact that I
Speaker 1: have Tank Dell at thirty and his ECRs twenty three.
Speaker 1: You have him at twenty two. You're closest to me
Speaker 1: out of everybody else. Debro has him at sixteen, Ericson
Speaker 1: has him at thirteen. Look, I feel like I was
Speaker 1: higher than anybody else on Tank Dell coming into the NFL.
Speaker 1: I was definitely a Tank Tel guy, and he was
Speaker 1: amazing this season for Houston, but he missed six games
Speaker 1: and he's a smaller guy, and Nico Collins could definitely
Speaker 1: be an Alpha if that's the way they want to go.
Speaker 1: He's great. We proved to I think the league, into
Speaker 1: himself and to everyone he is an NFL wide receiver
Speaker 1: because there were questions about his size coming in. You know,
Speaker 1: there are questions about Zay's flo Za Flowers size coming in,
Speaker 1: and he was way bigger than Tank Tell. So I
Speaker 1: think those questions are answered. But I still have a
Speaker 1: question about is this guy at this size going to
Speaker 1: be able to sustain and make a long term career
Speaker 1: in the NFL, which is why I have him more
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver three than a wide receiver two.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Tank Dell, Fitzie.
Speaker 2: Understand your trepidation, Bogs. I'm a bit of a sizest
Speaker 2: myself at least the six games. It wasn't like a
Speaker 2: litany of injuries that kept him out at various times.
Speaker 2: It was one injury where for some reason Bobby Slowick
Speaker 2: has him blocking for like a goal line dive. I
Speaker 2: don't understand what that was all about. That was a
Speaker 2: little strange. It remember when he took that off, and
Speaker 2: he even talked about it, like he even talked about
Speaker 2: Tank Dell getting hurt on that place.
Speaker 3: So I don't understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was just kind of convinced by
Speaker 2: what I saw out of Tank Dell. He is almost
Speaker 2: an impossible wide receiver to cover, Like it is like
Speaker 2: trying to cover mercury the element, Like you just can't
Speaker 2: do it. Like you move there, he moves there, and
Speaker 2: he's just always ahead of you so.
Speaker 1: Own booth speed. That. Yes, he is so good. He's
Speaker 1: fun to watch too. I love him. A local guy
Speaker 1: here in Houston as well, and made it to his
Speaker 1: local team. He's he's gonna be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: for sure. Like I said, mine is the size and
Speaker 1: the sustainability at that size. Maybe he bulks up, But
Speaker 1: if he bulks up, does he lose the speed? So
Speaker 1: that's like there's just a couple questions, that's all. That's
Speaker 1: why I have him more as a wide receiver three
Speaker 1: because there's so many good wide receivers here. Fits. You
Speaker 1: have two guys that you have polarizing rings on here
Speaker 1: that I want to speak about as well. You've got
Speaker 1: Addison as a wide receiver one. You're the low man
Speaker 1: on Cooper Cup at forty two. You have him. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have updated, but for us for Addison,
Speaker 1: you're the only one to have him as a wide
Speaker 1: receiver one. Now, just like whoever we were talking about
Speaker 1: in the who was it we were talking about in
Speaker 1: the other one you other tier? I think maybe it
Speaker 1: was DeVonta Smith, but oh Jay said, yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: have him as a low end wide receiver two. Erck
Speaker 1: sonas him as a high end wide receiver two, and
Speaker 1: Debro has him as a wide receiver three. So you
Speaker 1: have him as a one. Sell us sell us on
Speaker 1: j Madison as a one here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have Jordan Addison ranked wide receiver twelve overall,
Speaker 2: and Ericson has kind of with me.
Speaker 3: He's got a wide receiver fourteen.
Speaker 2: Again, another instance Bogs where I have my horse blinders
Speaker 2: on and I'm ignoring the fact that the Vikings are
Speaker 2: very unsettled at the quarterback situation because I don't know
Speaker 2: if they're going to resign Kirk Cousins, who's a free agent,
Speaker 2: and certainly Jaren Hall and Nick Mullins are not the answer,
Speaker 2: and they also have Justin Jefferson and TJ. Howkinson who
Speaker 2: command their share of targets. What I saw was a
Speaker 2: guy Jordan Addison, who scored ten touchdowns as a rookie,
Speaker 2: who had seventy catches for nine hundred and eleven yards
Speaker 2: despite sharing a field with Justin Jefferson for a good
Speaker 2: portion of the season. Obviously, Jefferson missed some time which
Speaker 2: helped Addison's totals a bit, you know, like the productivity
Speaker 2: naturally increased when Jefferson.
Speaker 1: Coming out wide receiver. One.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's just really good, Bogs. And I mean
Speaker 2: we know it because he made Kenny pick a first
Speaker 2: round draft choice. Like there's no way, there's no way
Speaker 2: the Steelers are saddled with Kenny Pickett if not for
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison making him look so good. Like Addison is
Speaker 2: just one hell of a wide receiver, and I think
Speaker 2: he has an incredibly bright future and I'd absolutely be
Speaker 2: thrilled to have him on any of my Dynasty rosters,
Speaker 2: which I don't at the moment. Somehow that is a
Speaker 2: void for me. I don't have Jordan Addison anywhere, and
Speaker 2: I regret it.
Speaker 1: You were angling for well, I mean you still have JSN.
Speaker 1: Do you still have JSN ahead of him or no?
Speaker 1: You have Jason at fourteen?
Speaker 3: Then huh, Yeah, I've Addison a little higher actually, like
Speaker 3: I I.
Speaker 1: But I think you weren't you higher on JSN coming in?
Speaker 1: I was, so I think you probably have more JSN
Speaker 1: And we were both trying to get every share of
Speaker 1: Beijeon that we could possibly get in the most recent class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you asked about Cooper Cupp. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: like he just can't stay healthy anymore. And now Puka
Speaker 2: is the number one receiver for the Rams, Like it's that.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you got him at forty two here, fancy.
Speaker 1: I know you're looking over the long term more, but we're,
Speaker 1: you know, season and a half removed from this guy
Speaker 1: being number one in the world, and it wasn't really close,
Speaker 1: so you think maybe he got him. He's not even
Speaker 1: a wide receiver three for you FITZI come on, you
Speaker 1: gotta get him in a wide receiver three at least Bogs.
Speaker 2: I've got him in the Fantasy Pros Invitational Dynasty League,
Speaker 2: which you play in, So shoot me an offer and
Speaker 2: he should be years for a lolo price.
Speaker 1: We're doing it, so I expect on the next show,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be rostering Cooper Cup in that league
Speaker 1: for sure. Let's go down to the D tier and
Speaker 1: we start at thirty with Amri Cooper. We work our
Speaker 1: way all the way down to forty two to Johan Dotson.
Speaker 1: Lots of talent in between these guys. This seems to
Speaker 1: be a bit of a glob here FITSI. There's not
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of dissenting opinions because I'm looking
Speaker 1: for like high ranks low ranks on these guys. There's
Speaker 1: not a ton of difference between these guys. Is there
Speaker 1: one that stands out to you where you're either surprise
Speaker 1: there's not more variance, or maybe I guess maybe George
Speaker 1: Pickens has a little variance because Deebro's got him down
Speaker 1: at forty one, Erickson has him at thirty six. You
Speaker 1: and I both have him in the twenties, twenty nine
Speaker 1: for me in twenty six for you. Is there anybody
Speaker 1: else that that you see maybe deserves a little more
Speaker 1: variance or is this kind of where it gets to Okay,
Speaker 1: take someone out of this group and they're all the same,
Speaker 1: So wait and take the low guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm really surprised that I'm the low man on Pickens here, Bogs,
Speaker 2: because I, as you know, I've been a complete win.
Speaker 1: No debro is by a lot. Actually you're twenty you're
Speaker 1: high guy on Pickens. You're twenty.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, yeah, I'm yeah, lowest number. Sorry, my bad
Speaker 2: high man wide receiver twenty six. I have the highest ranking,
Speaker 2: the best ranking for Pickens. And I'm really shocked by
Speaker 2: that because you know, I have been a complete wind
Speaker 2: sock on George Pickens, and I'm like, I'm horrified that
Speaker 2: he has not been able to consistently draw targets with
Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson on the field. When Deontay Johnson was hurt
Speaker 2: this past year, we saw pickens target share.
Speaker 3: Spike a little bit.
Speaker 2: My hope is that if the Steelers get a better quarterback,
Speaker 2: we are going to see George Pickens' talents leverage to
Speaker 2: the full. And even if He's not an elite separator.
Speaker 2: He is basically a Mike Evans in training. I mean,
Speaker 2: we how many acrobatic catches does this dude have to
Speaker 2: make to make our eyes pop out? And you know,
Speaker 2: was it like was it the Bengals who he just destroyed,
Speaker 2: like late in the season where he had that four
Speaker 2: catches for.
Speaker 3: What one hundred and ninety yards or whatever it was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, touch and that's his boom or bust. Like he
Speaker 1: did it against the Raiders too. It was like one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three yards and seventy one came on
Speaker 1: a big play. He had a big play against the Ravens,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, and.
Speaker 2: That was right after he got the criticism for like
Speaker 2: not blocking Like that was his big you know, middle
Speaker 2: finger to everyone who had criticized him for that.
Speaker 1: And well, I think it's fair to be enamored with
Speaker 1: him and also criticize him for not.
Speaker 2: Sure of course he deserved the criticism for that, Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but the talent is immense.
Speaker 1: Yeah there's he is a great player. But I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, why I'm a little bit lower on him,
Speaker 1: even though I have been accused of being a homer
Speaker 1: and also probably am a homer. But I don't know
Speaker 1: what the quarterback is going to be in Pittsburgh and anyone,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be Kenny Pickett. That's who's probably
Speaker 1: going to be because he's a pit guy too, so
Speaker 1: a lot of the locals want him to stay. And
Speaker 1: was he given a real fair shake. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's very good. I did not want him, you know that, Fitzy.
Speaker 1: I was more on Elik Willis than I was on Picket.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's had a fair shake,
Speaker 1: having to suffer through Matt Canada and a terrible offensive
Speaker 1: line for the last two seasons, so he's gonna get
Speaker 1: at least another look, which makes me hate Picket for
Speaker 1: this year. And I don't know if Pickett is good enough.
Speaker 1: Do they give him another year, do they pick up
Speaker 1: his extension? Do they decide they want to roll with him?
Speaker 1: That's Tomlin's guy. He's a little bit married to him,
Speaker 1: so I don't really like it. I think you could
Speaker 1: say the writing's on the wall though, because they starred
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph in the playoff game. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a big, ugly mess. We have no idea who
Speaker 1: the OC is there in Pittsburgh yet, So there's just
Speaker 1: a lot going around here. I will say, look on
Speaker 1: the opposite side, all four of us are at or
Speaker 1: above consensus on Christian Watson, and look, Christian Watson CCR
Speaker 1: is thirty eight. I'm Erickson hasn't been thirty eight. I'm
Speaker 1: at thirty three. Fits he hasn't been thirty one. Debro
Speaker 1: has n't been twenty nine. We all know the talent
Speaker 1: is there, but this once again is about staying on
Speaker 1: the field, which is why I have him by Tank
Speaker 1: Dell because I'm not sure Tank Dell is going to
Speaker 1: stay on the field either, and Watson hasn't. So you're
Speaker 1: our resident packer fan FITZI tell me about Watson. Do
Speaker 1: do we think he can take a next step? Because
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a one tier jump if he
Speaker 1: does play all the games. I think it's probably a
Speaker 1: two tier jump for Christian Watson.
Speaker 2: We are betting on the exotic skill sets bogs, the
Speaker 2: ridiculous combination of size and speed, and we saw some
Speaker 2: of the playmaking potential when he had what like eight
Speaker 2: touchdowns over a five game stretch in his rookie year.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'm exactly accurate with that number,
Speaker 2: but it was like a lot of touchdowns in a
Speaker 2: short period. Yeah, Now there's a lot of target competition
Speaker 2: for him and this hamstring thing, I'm not sure. I've
Speaker 2: not verified this yet, Bogs, but a friend of mine
Speaker 2: mentioned that, like they're sending him to the University of
Speaker 2: Wisconsin to like have them look at his I don't know,
Speaker 2: to like do some medical testing to see if they
Speaker 2: can figure out why he keeps having these.
Speaker 1: Six million dollar man we can build him.
Speaker 3: And it was funny.
Speaker 2: I think the Packers just fired their strength and conditioning coach,
Speaker 2: and you know, like someone had to pay the price
Speaker 2: for Watson's hamstrings and it wasn't gonna be Gmbock Brian Gudakunsk.
Speaker 4: So not after his last draft class, no way, right,
Speaker 4: So uh yeah, I like it's a bit of a
Speaker 4: leap of faith to have Christian Watson ranked in the
Speaker 4: low thirties.
Speaker 2: But the physical tools are so special. I think you
Speaker 2: have to maintain some optimism there because, like, if everything
Speaker 2: comes together, he could be a difference maker.
Speaker 1: By the way, last season, in fourteen games, it was
Speaker 1: seven receiving and two rushing touchdowns, this year, only got
Speaker 1: nine games, but he still had five receiving touchdowns. Didn't
Speaker 1: run one in this year. But all right, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: no he didn't. I'm sorry, just a couple rushing attempts.
Speaker 1: We are all below consensus on Marquis Brown and Johan Dotson. Now, look,
Speaker 1: I think we can throw away Marky S. Brown, right,
Speaker 1: he's older. He just never panned out. I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe get him out of Baltimore, get him in this
Speaker 1: offensive system with Cliff Kingsbury where they throw the balls on.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is gonna work. Is okay? He wasn't as
Speaker 1: good as I thought he was going to be. I
Speaker 1: should have been lower on him just because he's from Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: but would have made me low on Ceedee Lamb. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be unbiased. But Johan Dotson. Are we
Speaker 1: throwing away Johan Dotson a little bit too early? Here?
Speaker 1: As ECRs forty two, we're all below that. We're not
Speaker 1: crazy below that forty five for me and ericson forty
Speaker 1: four for Fitz and Debro. Are we throwing away Johan
Speaker 1: Dotson a little too soon? Because even when he got
Speaker 1: on the field, Curtis Samuel absolutely outplayed him this year
Speaker 1: wasn't really close. We know Terry McLaurin is number one,
Speaker 1: we have no idea who the quarterback or is going
Speaker 1: to be here in Washington moving forward. So your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Dotson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at one point the season Bogs, Sam Howell led
Speaker 2: the league in pass attempts and yet Terry McLaurin and
Speaker 2: Johan Dotson were underachieving, and it seemed like Howell felt
Speaker 2: more comfortable throwing in to the middle of the field
Speaker 2: and maybe that was part of it. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, like, I think we're totally sold on what
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin is as a player, whereas we have only
Speaker 2: gotten flashes from Johan Dotson. And that's why I think
Speaker 2: he ranks a little lower. Like, I still think he
Speaker 2: could become I don't know if he's going to become
Speaker 2: a star, but I think he could become like a
Speaker 2: fantasy wide receiver two. So there's there's still some optimism there.
Speaker 2: I really liked him coming out of Penn State. No
Speaker 2: real optimism for me with Marquise Brown. He's been in
Speaker 2: the league five years and he's had one He's had
Speaker 2: one one thousand yard season Bogs and only just barely
Speaker 2: one thousand and eight yards in twenty twenty one. He's
Speaker 2: averaged six point five yards per target over the last
Speaker 2: three years. That's that's not a very impressive number. So
Speaker 2: like I'm I think he's been like the most overrated
Speaker 2: player in fantasy football for like three years running.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he is, he's tough. I mean, Washington should
Speaker 1: have a new quarterback, right, Put Drake May in there.
Speaker 1: Put jayde Daniels in there. Maybe we're singing a different
Speaker 1: tune this time in twenty twenty five, but it is
Speaker 1: right now. You just have to go with what you've seen,
Speaker 1: and we have not seen a lot from Johan Dottson.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you, FITZI. Let's go on down
Speaker 1: to the f tier here, forty three, all the way
Speaker 1: down to fifty five. Jamison Williams starts it, Michael Wilson
Speaker 1: ends it here, FITZI, I just cannot quit Jamison Williams,
Speaker 1: and I'm still high man here between all of us.
Speaker 1: I have him at thirty seven, which look that is purposeful, right,
Speaker 1: I was not going to put him in a twelve man.
Speaker 1: You cannot be one of your top three wide receivers because,
Speaker 1: as we stated at the beginning of this episode. Wide
Speaker 1: receivers is an arms race anymore. You have to keep
Speaker 1: pace with the rest of your league because there are
Speaker 1: so many good wide receivers. So I can't sit here
Speaker 1: as an analyst and tell you Jamis Williams should be
Speaker 1: in your top three whiteouts, but I will say he's
Speaker 1: still my very first risk after all of my thirty
Speaker 1: six wide receivers are off the board, and he won't
Speaker 1: be after the rookie class comes in. He'll be close
Speaker 1: to forty one forty five, somewhere in that range for me,
Speaker 1: So he won't be the first risk I'll take a
Speaker 1: wide receiver because there's so much talent coming in. But
Speaker 1: he is still a worthy investment in my opinion. I
Speaker 1: think the further he gets away from this major knee
Speaker 1: injury that he suffered right before coming in the NFL,
Speaker 1: the better he's looked. With Sam Laporta a little gimpy,
Speaker 1: he is stepped up and made some plays. I know
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell loves him, and he's an effort guy. You
Speaker 1: can see him downfield blocking. That is going to earn
Speaker 1: him more plays. Now, look, he's gonna be the fourth
Speaker 1: option on offense, which is another reason why I can't
Speaker 1: have him in there as a top three wide receiver
Speaker 1: because a Manra is one, Gibbs is to Laporta is three,
Speaker 1: So Jamison has to be for as long as everybody's healthy.
Speaker 1: Montgomery is probably ahead of him and pecking orders still,
Speaker 1: even though I do think it will shift more towards
Speaker 1: Gibbs and less to Montgomery this season just because Gibbs
Speaker 1: is so good, But I can't give up on Jamison.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone in this tier that you look at
Speaker 1: and you say, man, I just I'm taking the risk
Speaker 1: on this guy probably in every league I'm drafting this
Speaker 1: year because of X, Y or C. Is there a
Speaker 1: dude in this tier that you really really like Fitzie boy.
Speaker 2: The guys I'm maybe clinging to and but by the
Speaker 2: way you summed up Jamison Williams really well, Like even
Speaker 2: with the Dinfield block, I forget where which game it
Speaker 2: was where he I saw Ray downfield like throw a
Speaker 2: block where I'm like, because it's really been a slow
Speaker 2: boil with Jamison Williams, Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Like you can see the flashes.
Speaker 2: I think it's eventually going to be pretty good with him,
Speaker 2: even if it's never like at least not in the
Speaker 2: short term. Never a huge target share. There's just so
Speaker 2: so much playmaking potential. The guys I have in the
Speaker 2: forties who I am not ready to give up on
Speaker 2: yet are Quentin Johnston and Elijah Moore. And maybe I
Speaker 2: should be closer to giving up on Elijah Moore. But Boggs,
Speaker 2: I've got him ranked wide receiver forty six, and you're
Speaker 2: right behind me at wide receiver forty seven.
Speaker 3: Like they're just.
Speaker 1: Sin's forty six too. He's same with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're just enough moments you get from him
Speaker 2: where like he runs a really crisp rout and gets
Speaker 2: like four yards of separation or makes a nice contested catch,
Speaker 2: or you know, does something after the catch. Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to cling to that five or six week
Speaker 2: stretch he had in his rookie season where how he
Speaker 2: was the wide receiver four over that stretch despite like
Speaker 2: having Mike White and Josh Johnson as his quarterback with
Speaker 2: the Jets during that run. But like he has not
Speaker 2: had ideal quarterback situations, Like we've still seen Deshaun Watson
Speaker 2: struggle as a passer really since coming back from his suspension.
Speaker 2: Like I just think there's still untapped potential with Elijah Moore,
Speaker 2: maybe at this time of year from now. I've got
Speaker 2: him ranked wide receiver eighty eight, and I'm totally giving
Speaker 2: up on him and waving the white flag, but not yet.
Speaker 2: And Quinton Johnston Boggs, were you how dismayed were you
Speaker 2: by the rookie season or you are you one one
Speaker 2: foot out the door?
Speaker 1: I am, And I'm really surprised too because it was
Speaker 1: for me. It's the drops and I don't usually care
Speaker 1: about drops. And I think you guys have heard me
Speaker 1: talk about this before if you've listened before, Like Deontae
Speaker 1: had a ton of drops, which actually didn't have a
Speaker 1: ton of drops this year. He had big drops, but
Speaker 1: they weren't there, weren't as plentiful as they had been
Speaker 1: in the past. But dropped. I don't care about unless
Speaker 1: they take you off the field. But they did for
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnston, right. I mean, Josh Palmer flat out outplayed him.
Speaker 1: And I know we'll talk about some guys that were
Speaker 1: done with and you're done with a guy on that
Speaker 1: team as am. I I wasn't brave enough to put
Speaker 1: him where you are, but I will be. You know,
Speaker 1: you set the example for me fits I'm going to
Speaker 1: lower him too. And Mike Williams is who I'm talking
Speaker 1: about here spoiler alert. But yeah, I think I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna give up on Johnston either. One bad
Speaker 1: year does not a career make, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: but I do. I mean, I'm second highest between us,
Speaker 1: but I'm still ten spots below you, So he's still
Speaker 1: a wide receiver five for me because I'm not the
Speaker 1: biggest Quentin Johnston fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Boggs, I hate Jim Harbaugh, but I'll hate him
Speaker 2: a little bit less if he can can like repair
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnston. Yes, the exotic skill set and like Matt
Speaker 2: Waldman warned us on this show last year about the
Speaker 2: hands problems with Quinton Johnston, like we knew that was
Speaker 2: gonna be an issue, but there's so much else And
Speaker 2: you know, he was a very impactful college player and like,
Speaker 2: maybe not.
Speaker 1: Something like I said, it's not something I usually care about,
Speaker 1: but when it does cost you playing time, you have
Speaker 1: to take notice of it. And the guy gets open,
Speaker 1: big drops, wide open, no one around him. The separation
Speaker 1: was there on some of those Oh he's so frustrating, Fitzie.
Speaker 1: He's just so frustrating to watch a couple of guys
Speaker 1: that were done with. You are done with Mike Williams.
Speaker 1: I am done with Jerry Judy. I think I've done
Speaker 1: with Gabe Davis, especially depending on where he lands. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be big because he is a free agent and
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going back to Buffalo and Michael Wilson. Look,
Speaker 1: I know Michael Wilson had a couple of nice games
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, but he had this injury history that
Speaker 1: crept up this year in college. I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to be rostering an injured player. So I'm done with
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy's is not coming around to me when you
Speaker 1: get out played by Cortland Sutton, who was good, but
Speaker 1: he was noticeably slower to me. He still scored all
Speaker 1: the touchdowns, but that's where most of his production came from.
Speaker 1: I love Courtland Sutton, but he just looked like he
Speaker 1: took a little bit of a step back last year
Speaker 1: and he outplayed Jerry Judy by leaps and bounds. Marvin
Speaker 1: Mims was not given enough playing time. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be huge, and I think this team is
Speaker 1: rough at quarterback. I mean Obviously Russell's gone. What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen with Is Ripping gonna start games for them? Are
Speaker 1: they going to go get a veteran? I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening in Denver at the QB spot either, So
Speaker 1: I am just flat out out on Jerry Judy, Michael Wilson,
Speaker 1: and Gabriel Davis. You are flat out out on Mike Williams.
Speaker 1: You're just done. You can't stand the injury stuff anymore, right, fits.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is bogs like in Best Ball and
Speaker 2: reed draft leagues. I'm not totally out on Mike Williams.
Speaker 2: I'm probably more in line with ECR. But he's twenty
Speaker 2: nine and you know it's fifty to fifty whether he's
Speaker 2: going to have some major injury that like dramatically shortens
Speaker 2: his season. I'm willing to bet, like on a one
Speaker 2: year proposition in redraft or Best Ball, I'm a little
Speaker 2: more willing to make that bet longer term. You've got
Speaker 2: a guy who's already getting close to the age cliff
Speaker 2: and has this alarming injury history and a lot of
Speaker 2: target competition, and what if the Chargers, what if some
Speaker 2: of the mock drafts are right Bogs. Then they draft
Speaker 2: brock Bauers. Then there's another big target target coming in
Speaker 2: to because as it is, like Mike Williams is streaky.
Speaker 2: If it's Dynasty Best Ball, I'd rank Mike Williams ten
Speaker 2: spots higher. But if you actually have to put him
Speaker 2: in your lineup, the guy is just so hit or miss.
Speaker 1: Like there's just general soreness to me. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll take injury risks, but I'm not going
Speaker 1: to take many, and he's not going to be one fair.
Speaker 1: So what about guys that you like here in this section?
Speaker 1: Because I talked about Jamison, but you're high man on
Speaker 1: your boy Romeo Romeo Dobbs by eleven spots versus you know,
Speaker 1: the rest of us here. So is this homerism, Fitzy,
Speaker 1: because you're the only one in the forties I got
Speaker 1: him in fifty nine to you bro fifty six Ericson
Speaker 1: at sixty six, you're the only one that has him
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver four, So tell us it's not homerism?
Speaker 1: And why bugs?
Speaker 2: Who was making plays for the Green Bay Packers in
Speaker 2: the receiving game in their little two game playoff run
Speaker 2: where they upset the number two seed and almost knocked
Speaker 2: off the number one seed.
Speaker 3: It was Romo.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dobbs had some great games, he really did.
Speaker 2: And look, I know it's going to be an ensemble
Speaker 2: production from Green Bay. Like Jayden Reed is really good,
Speaker 2: Christian Watson is really talented. Romeo Dobbs is underrated. And
Speaker 2: now they've also got was good he Grave Volkelton, Mountain.
Speaker 3: Melton was a fine for them, Bogs, it was crazy good?
Speaker 1: Was this draft class? These last two classes? My god?
Speaker 1: I know you guys have been upset about some of
Speaker 1: these picks that Green Bay has been making, and not
Speaker 1: a lot of people were excited about Lucas van Ness.
Speaker 1: But who those secondary picks hit for green Bay this year?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the unfortunate thing is, Bogs like, I love this
Speaker 2: wide receiver draft class and like green Bay has zero
Speaker 2: reason to draft the wide receiver exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't need any Maybe some trades can be made
Speaker 1: or something. Maybe somebody wants to take a risk on Watson,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, Yeah, I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: Dobbs is good, but I'm I'm with you. I do
Speaker 1: think it's a little hit or miss. Is there anyone
Speaker 1: not in any of these tiers in the ECR top
Speaker 1: fifty five that you want to talk about, I don't think.
Speaker 2: So let's get to the rookie class, because that's what
Speaker 2: I've been waiting to dig into.
Speaker 3: Bogs.
Speaker 1: I'll just throw out a couple of guys I think
Speaker 1: that belong here that we didn't, and then I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the rookies a lot too. But I
Speaker 1: think to Mario Douglas had a lot of great this year,
Speaker 1: and you know that's with some bad quarterback play and
Speaker 1: some bad offense in New England. So if things get
Speaker 1: better there and he's the number one, I mean, Kashan
Speaker 1: Butte just got arrested today, so that there's they need help.
Speaker 1: Juju is old. I was big on Juju for a
Speaker 1: big part of the offseason as well, but as soon
Speaker 1: as like in early August, when they started saying his
Speaker 1: knee still wasn't right, I was out. And unfortunately he's
Speaker 1: still gonna be stuck in New England. New England's gonna
Speaker 1: be stuck with him more likely because of the contract
Speaker 1: that he just signed. But I think to Mario might
Speaker 1: be their number one. And we talked about the Chargers
Speaker 1: guys like they're not reaching for a wide receiver here.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen's your number one. I think Palmer is very
Speaker 1: solid as a two there. Still, so just a couple
Speaker 1: guys I want to mention I think maybe should have
Speaker 1: been in here. I mean, I have these guys leaps
Speaker 1: and bounds out of Michael Wilson, who I think is
Speaker 1: super talented but cannot stay on the field. So let's
Speaker 1: get to the rookie class here, FITZI, because it is
Speaker 1: unbelievably deep. As you mentioned Marvin Harrison, you would put
Speaker 1: in the tippy top tier right now. Malik Neighbors is
Speaker 1: he consensus number two. He is an absolute stud out
Speaker 1: of LSU. Romadonza if you guys watched Washington at all,
Speaker 1: was a great part of their run. We already talked
Speaker 1: about Keon Coleman a little bit, you know, bigger of
Speaker 1: a prospect. There's two guys from Texas and Adanai Mitchell
Speaker 1: and Xavier Worthy. Tony Troy Franklin from Oregon is a
Speaker 1: big prospect. Brian Thomas has been mocked in the first round.
Speaker 1: Tz Walker out of North Carolina is going to be
Speaker 1: a very high pick as well. I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: could sit here and list to you guys players probably
Speaker 1: for another two or three more minutes that are going
Speaker 1: to be amazing NFL players. But this class is so deep.
Speaker 1: I didn't even mention like Ricky Parsol and guys like
Speaker 1: that that are lower on down the totem pole of
Speaker 1: this class. This class is deep and running back is thin.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a lot of wide receivers go in
Speaker 1: your rookie drafts. A lot of wide receivers go early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Marvin Harrison Junior isn't even the only son
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 3: Star caliber wide receiver.
Speaker 2: We've got Jerry Rice's son, Brandon Rice from USC who's
Speaker 2: like not even in the top twelve, but maybe in
Speaker 2: the top fifteen, top twenty.
Speaker 1: He was good too, like you'red but he is a
Speaker 1: very solid player. Yeah, so he'll make some noise too.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't shock me if he was like a third round pick.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Bogs. I think there are probably
Speaker 2: six or seven wide receivers who go in the first
Speaker 2: round this year. It's that gould a class, and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if we see about, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen off the board. In the first two
Speaker 2: days with that shock you at all. It's that good
Speaker 2: a class. I mean, man, we could talk about these
Speaker 2: guys for we were just kind of debating the Texas guys.
Speaker 2: I think you're a little more on Mitchell and I'm
Speaker 2: a little more on the Worthy.
Speaker 1: Side, I think, and I'll say this here too, so
Speaker 1: everyone knows Worthy has more upside. But I think, ready
Speaker 1: to go right now, I think a Donnai Mitchell is
Speaker 1: the guy. But I mean, so many good spots and
Speaker 1: there's not I don't know, there's not a ton of
Speaker 1: spots that not a ton of spots that are super
Speaker 1: desperate for wide receivers. Right like New England one hundred
Speaker 1: percent is one of the teams that is absolutely desperate.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati actually is gonna need some wide receivers because Higgins
Speaker 1: and Boyd are free agents. The Colts have Pittman as
Speaker 1: a free agent. Tennessee has you know, Hopkins and Burks.
Speaker 1: Burks hasn't really worked out, Hopkins is old, and the
Speaker 1: Giants still needs some help. You know, Chicago could use
Speaker 1: someone next to DJ Moore. There's no one in Atlanta
Speaker 1: outside of London, so I get, you know what. The
Speaker 1: more I talk about it the more there are some
Speaker 1: needs for wide receivers, which should make these guys starters
Speaker 1: in a lot of spots. But it's an arms race
Speaker 1: in the NFL too, man, like your fantasy league. You
Speaker 1: got to keep up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Arizona I think is another good landing spot
Speaker 2: for someone like it. And boy if Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 2: falls into their laps at number four because we see
Speaker 2: quarterbacks go one, two, three, which I think.
Speaker 3: Is probably gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Carolina could use more help, I think at
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I mean, like they don't want Adam Thielen
Speaker 2: carrying their wide receiver corps again. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if they see Jonathan Mingo as some sort of alpha receiver.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there are a lot of good landing spots.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're rooting for a team that
Speaker 2: needs a wide receiver this year, yeah, there's a lot bugs.
Speaker 2: Do you have any favorite sleepers in this wide receiver class,
Speaker 2: like anyone who's sort of under the radar, I mean.
Speaker 1: Ricky Parsol from Florida, Flora definitely one of my guys. Here.
Speaker 1: Ladd McConkie, I think I don't really know that he's
Speaker 1: a secret though, right.
Speaker 2: No, like he's I know PFF and their big board
Speaker 2: have Ladd McConkie as like a top fifty player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was great. Watching Jilen Polk rip
Speaker 1: apart my Longhorn secondary was not fun.
Speaker 2: So Washington has three receivers. I mean Polk was only
Speaker 2: on the field as much as he was because Jalen
Speaker 2: McMillan got hurt.
Speaker 3: And Jalen McMillan is really good too, Like they have,
Speaker 3: you know those receivers.
Speaker 1: You know else was underrated Roman Wilson out of Michigan
Speaker 1: Michigan up. Yeah, because they just didn't pass the ball
Speaker 1: that much. You saw it in the Natty, right They run, run, run,
Speaker 1: run run. That's Jim Harbaugh. So expect him to go
Speaker 1: to the Chargers. By the way, wouldn't be shot there.
Speaker 3: Can I give you one more bogs? Yeah, the guy
Speaker 3: I really liked.
Speaker 2: So we've we've got a lot of the last couple
Speaker 2: of draft classes have been big on slot receivers and
Speaker 2: these uh this class is full of like these big, big,
Speaker 2: rangy downfield dudes. But there is one guy who I
Speaker 2: think has more like the Debo Rashi Rice skill set
Speaker 2: where it's like, get him the ball in space and
Speaker 2: let him do his thing. Malachi Corley from Western Kentucky
Speaker 2: like ply. He is a favorite of mine. And I've
Speaker 2: actually seen him like in some of the deeper mocks
Speaker 2: that where people mock out the first three rounds, Like
Speaker 2: I've seen him go on day two in some of those,
Speaker 2: and that wouldn't surprise me a bit. Like he is pretty,
Speaker 2: he's fun with the ball in his hands, and he
Speaker 2: is hard to tackle. He's built like a running back.
Speaker 4: I you know.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Xavier Lagett from South Carolina. Another guy He's gonna haven't
Speaker 1: even mention here bugs.
Speaker 2: He's going to be polarizing because he's old and he
Speaker 2: is like really a late bloomer, didn't do anything until
Speaker 2: the end of his college career, but he put up
Speaker 2: crazy numbers and he's like, what six three, two, twenty seven,
Speaker 2: Like he is a specimen and.
Speaker 1: He just looks so much like Deebo with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands too. Yeah, down to the South Carolina helmet,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's just a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to watch. There are so many good wide receivers
Speaker 1: we're going to see. The combine is going to separate
Speaker 1: these guys and not because guys need to be separators,
Speaker 1: but because there is a big glob of just tons
Speaker 1: of talent here. So, like you said, that third round
Speaker 1: could be littered with wide receivers, and if they don't
Speaker 1: get picked in the third, the fourth will be littered
Speaker 1: with wide receivers. So there's going to be a ton
Speaker 1: of talent coming in the league. There's already a lot
Speaker 1: of talent at this position as well, which makes it
Speaker 1: difficult to rank a little bit. But I think we
Speaker 1: did it, FITZI. That is everything for us today. So
Speaker 1: we will have Wormley back next week. He will not
Speaker 1: be a skiing up in the mountains like from a
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties comedy movie here, but he will be back
Speaker 1: with us to talk some more football, hopefully for him.
Speaker 1: I mean I'll be rooting against them, but hopefully for him.
Speaker 1: His Ravens will be on their way to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl and we can see a very It's Miley happy
Speaker 1: Ryan Wormley. But that is yet to be seen. But
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