Speaker 1: Wake that hands up in the morning. The breakfast Club. Morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody is j n V.
Speaker 2: Charlamagne the guide. We are to breakfast Club. We got
Speaker 2: a special guest in the.
Speaker 3: Building, Republican presidential candidate South Carolina Nikki Hamley.
Speaker 4: That's right, welcome, Good morning, the morning. Thank you for
Speaker 4: having me.
Speaker 1: How are you all?
Speaker 4: Is good? I can't complain. Listen, South Carolina's still proud
Speaker 4: of you. Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I read recently
Speaker 1: that you got swatted twice twice since since the end
Speaker 1: of December. They were targeting high profile politicians.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know the hard part about that is
Speaker 4: I wasn't home, but we take care of my parents.
Speaker 4: They're eighty seven and ninety. And when you have twenty
Speaker 4: five people show up with guns drawn, Jesus to them, like,
Speaker 4: what's happened in our country? Come on, I mean, we
Speaker 4: can't keep living like this. It's not normal, it's not healthy.
Speaker 4: There's nothing good about what's happening right now in the country.
Speaker 4: And look, we have a chance to change that. That's
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: They'd kick down the door or anything like that, or
Speaker 2: did they?
Speaker 4: They actually they saw my peers through the window. They
Speaker 4: told them to put their hands up. They came through
Speaker 4: the door, and I mean immediately, like my parents had
Speaker 4: their hands up and they came in and separated them,
Speaker 4: talked to them. I mean, it was just it was
Speaker 4: a traumatic shita twice. The second time they didn't come
Speaker 4: in because it had happened once before, so they were
Speaker 4: more cautious. The first time it was full on.
Speaker 1: They didn't know it was your house, South Carolina.
Speaker 4: They didn't know.
Speaker 1: Wow, how did they make you feel?
Speaker 4: Look, the reason I'm doing this. I don't want my
Speaker 4: kids to live like this were I know, we're better
Speaker 4: than this. I grew up in a small rural town
Speaker 4: and we took care of each other. It was neighbors
Speaker 4: taking care of neighbors, and there was just something simple
Speaker 4: about it, and there was just something that was that
Speaker 4: was good. You genuinely wanted to take care of people,
Speaker 4: and we've lost that. I mean, right now, you see hatred,
Speaker 4: you see division, you see anger. I mean, you see
Speaker 4: these things where they're trying to like undercut people, and
Speaker 4: it's just you know, it was exacerbated after COVID, but
Speaker 4: it's all the more reason why we need to go
Speaker 4: back and say, wait a minute, stop taking all this
Speaker 4: so personally. This isn't personal. This is just about getting
Speaker 4: our country back on track.
Speaker 1: Swatting is personal. Though.
Speaker 3: If I call somebody's house, if I say, hey, this
Speaker 3: is going down at this house, that was personal.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's personal from a political perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that's where it's a blood sport to run
Speaker 4: for office these days. But yeah, I mean that's it is.
Speaker 4: But it goes to show why and it's why I'm
Speaker 4: so determined to finish this. Yeah, is because I know
Speaker 4: America is better than this.
Speaker 1: But do you lose the love for it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: You just told us some of the reasons why you
Speaker 2: want to do this right, and then you talk about
Speaker 2: some of the the sides that are against that.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: You want to do it because you said you want
Speaker 2: to help people. You want to be the person that
Speaker 2: you know what you grew up on and what you
Speaker 2: wanted to see. But then you talk about them swatting
Speaker 2: your house, which is making your life miserable, in your parents' life,
Speaker 2: and your parents could have had a heart attack, you know.
Speaker 2: Then you talk about Donald Trump attacking the way that
Speaker 2: he's attacking you. I mean, they dive into your personal life,
Speaker 2: they dive into an alleged to fed they dive into
Speaker 2: anything that you've ever done or allegedly have ever done
Speaker 2: into your life. And it's when does it get to
Speaker 2: the point you be like, excuse part of my friends,
Speaker 2: but fuck this, I don't want to do this anything.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's all lies. But what they don't realize
Speaker 4: is politics is the art of distraction. The more they
Speaker 4: do that, the more motivated I get, because it's everything
Speaker 4: that's wrong with politics. It's everything that's wrong in this
Speaker 4: country that we have to clean up. So I do this.
Speaker 4: I'll take the pain, I'll take whatever it is. I'm
Speaker 4: a tough girl. I can handle it. This is politics
Speaker 4: is not personal for me. This is about the fact
Speaker 4: that we can't be okay with our country like this.
Speaker 4: We can't be okay with two eighty year olds running
Speaker 4: for president. We can't be okay with the fact that, look,
Speaker 4: the seventy five percent of Americans are saying they don't
Speaker 4: want a Trump Biden rematch. The majority of Americans disprove
Speaker 4: of Trump and disprove of Biden. You know, both these
Speaker 4: fellas put us trillions of dollars in debt that our
Speaker 4: kids are never going to forgive them for. At what
Speaker 4: point do we not say, you know what, maybe we
Speaker 4: need to go with a new generational leader that these
Speaker 4: older guys don't want to let go of the power.
Speaker 4: That's what this has always been. But the problem is,
Speaker 4: look at what happened after the New Hampshire election. So
Speaker 4: we got forty three percent. We started with fourteen candidates
Speaker 4: in the race. You know, one by one we got
Speaker 4: rid of the fellows, right, So then it's me and
Speaker 4: Trump going in. I started with two percent in Iowa,
Speaker 4: I ended up with twenty percent. We go to New Hampshire,
Speaker 4: we get forty three percent. Now, the way to look
Speaker 4: at that is Trump, as an incumbent, didn't get forty
Speaker 4: three percent. He's so upset he throws a temper tantrum
Speaker 4: on stage and talks about revenge. Then the next day
Speaker 4: he says, anybody that supports Nicki Haley is not going
Speaker 4: to be part of MAGA. If you're running for president,
Speaker 4: this is a story of addition. You should want everybody,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't push anybody away. And so, you know, we
Speaker 4: had fun. We've always had fun with it. So we
Speaker 4: did these barred permanently. T We sold fifteen thousand T shirts.
Speaker 4: Then the next day he goes and pushes the Republican
Speaker 4: Party to say that he's the nominee to get me out.
Speaker 4: We don't do coronations in this country. Two states have voted.
Speaker 4: You need twelve hundred and fifteen delegates. He has thirty two.
Speaker 4: I have seventeen. This is far from over. We're not
Speaker 4: giving up. And this is everything that's wrong, the chaos
Speaker 4: of all of this is everything that's wrong in our country.
Speaker 4: And you look, we lost five amazing souls, three soldiers
Speaker 4: in Iraq and Syria, and then you've got the two
Speaker 4: Navy seals, and this is what we're doing.
Speaker 1: What do you think of responsor that today should be?
Speaker 4: Well, I think, first of all, look at how we
Speaker 4: got here. This would never have happened if Biden wouldn't
Speaker 4: have fallen all over himself to get back into Irandi
Speaker 4: when he lifted the sanctions. You sent billions of dollars
Speaker 4: to Iran's proxies Hamas who theis and HESBLA, and what
Speaker 4: do they do? They don't take care of their people.
Speaker 4: They go and they say death to America. Then you
Speaker 4: don't My husband's deployed right now. We expect America to
Speaker 4: take care of our men and women when they're overseas.
Speaker 4: He didn't do something after the first strike. He didn't
Speaker 4: do something after the second strike. One hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: five strikes. Dozens of people injured with brain injuries, and
Speaker 4: you're waiting for people to die to do something. That's
Speaker 4: not what you do. What we should do is put
Speaker 4: the sanctions back on immediately. The second thing is go
Speaker 4: take out the operations where they're sending these drones and
Speaker 4: missiles from in Iraqan Syria. And then thirdly, go after
Speaker 4: the military commanders making these decisions. Take out one or
Speaker 4: two of those RGC members. That's what we'll get their attention.
Speaker 4: You don't have to go bomber on. This is not
Speaker 4: about hitting hard, it's about hitting smart. That's what we
Speaker 4: need to do.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned that in numbers in New Hampshire
Speaker 1: and numbers in.
Speaker 3: Iowa, and it's clear to me that when you look
Speaker 3: at those numbers, Republicans are looking for something different. A
Speaker 3: lot of Republicans are looking for something different. So why
Speaker 3: are conservatives willing to just turn the Republican.
Speaker 1: Party over to you?
Speaker 4: Know, I think that people I voted for Trump twice,
Speaker 4: I was proud to serve America in his administration. I
Speaker 4: think people see that he never got to announce a
Speaker 4: credit or a moment's piece, and they see him in
Speaker 4: these fights and they think that they need to show
Speaker 4: him thank you by being with him. But if you
Speaker 4: look at that the speech after New Hampshire, or even
Speaker 4: the court cases and all that, he never talks about
Speaker 4: the American people. He never talks about what we're going
Speaker 4: to do to get this wasteful spending out of the
Speaker 4: way and get our economy back on track. He never
Speaker 4: talks about how we're going to get our kids reading
Speaker 4: again and go back to the basics in education. He
Speaker 4: never talks about securing the border unless he's saying stop
Speaker 4: it because I don't want it to happen until the election.
Speaker 4: I mean, he never talks about law and order in
Speaker 4: this country. He doesn't talk about these wars. That's what
Speaker 4: you got to be talking about. It's and honestly, with
Speaker 4: Biden and Trump, they care more about their investigations in
Speaker 4: themselves then they do about what we need to do
Speaker 4: in the country. And that's every reason why we need
Speaker 4: to go in a new direction.
Speaker 2: Why did you vote for him twice? If you feel
Speaker 2: this way about Trump, why did you feel that you
Speaker 2: had to vote for him twice?
Speaker 4: The reason I voted for him the first time was
Speaker 4: it was clear that our country needed a self correction.
Speaker 4: Trump was good at breaking things. We needed to break
Speaker 4: some things. We needed to rattle the cages. And then,
Speaker 4: you know the second time I voted for him is
Speaker 4: I didn't want Biden. I saw that Biden was Obama
Speaker 4: two point zero, and I didn't want to take that
Speaker 4: chance of where he was going to take us. I
Speaker 4: knew they wanted to get back in the Iran deal.
Speaker 4: I knew that they weren't serious about closing the border.
Speaker 4: I knew that the wasteful spending that we had seen
Speaker 4: was going to happen, And so I voted for Trump
Speaker 4: thinking that he was going to do more of the same.
Speaker 4: But the reality is now chaos follows Donald Trump. Everywhere
Speaker 4: he goes, chaos follows him. And we can't be a
Speaker 4: country in disarray in a world on fire and go
Speaker 4: through four more years of chaos. We won't survive it.
Speaker 4: There will be a first female president. It's either going
Speaker 4: to be Kamala Harris, or it's going to be me,
Speaker 4: and it should send a chill up. Everyone's fine thinking
Speaker 4: about the fact that it would be Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you vote for Hillary in twenty.
Speaker 4: Sixty because I don't agree with anything that Hillary has said.
Speaker 4: I don't know that there's any policies of hers that
Speaker 4: I agree with, and so for me, Look, the reason
Speaker 4: I'm running now is because I'm an accountant. I think
Speaker 4: it's finally time we have an account in the White House.
Speaker 4: I've been a two term governor that took a double
Speaker 4: digit on employment state and turned it into an economic powerhouse.
Speaker 4: I dealt with Russia, China and Iran every day at
Speaker 4: the UN. I know what it takes to prevent more,
Speaker 4: and I think it's time that we have somebody that's
Speaker 4: a new generational leader that's not looking at the past
Speaker 4: but actually looking at solutions going forward.
Speaker 2: Now, you talk about your policies and some of the
Speaker 2: policies and the things that you stand on. You also
Speaker 2: said that you felt like Biden would have been I
Speaker 2: guess Obama two point zero. What didn't you like about
Speaker 2: the Obama administration that you would have changed immediately? And
Speaker 2: what were you we are a again, there are cople
Speaker 2: and you said something about Kamala. I want to ask
Speaker 2: why you said, if Kamala was president, why I would
Speaker 2: send chills down.
Speaker 4: So a couple of things. I think with Obama that
Speaker 4: was if you go back, that's when we really started
Speaker 4: to feel the division. That's when it was white supremacist.
Speaker 4: Though well, no, I think it was. It was everything.
Speaker 4: Everything was exaggerated with the Obama administration. It became more
Speaker 4: about gender, it became more about race. It became more
Speaker 4: about separating Americans instead of bringing them together.
Speaker 3: The right wing media, though, well, they were scared enough
Speaker 3: of a black president.
Speaker 4: Look, I don't think everybody is at fault. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that one person did this, but I'm saying under
Speaker 4: that administration, it really did cause some You just felt
Speaker 4: people felt like they were being put in camps through
Speaker 4: that administration. The second thing is I saw he was
Speaker 4: very much an Iranian sympathizer. He very much kept wanting
Speaker 4: to support and do things with iron I think that's
Speaker 4: incredibly dangerous. This is a culture that says death to America,
Speaker 4: and you have to always be careful. A lot of
Speaker 4: spending happened on his watch. That started us down that spiral,
Speaker 4: and then Obama did a lot of things by executive order,
Speaker 4: and that really started the He did a lot by
Speaker 4: executive order. Then Trump came in and reversed it all
Speaker 4: by executive order. Then Biden went and reversed it all. There,
Speaker 4: you've got to do it the hard way. You got
Speaker 4: to get Congress to come together and do those things,
Speaker 4: because that makes it permanent. So what that did is
Speaker 4: that created leaders from around the world saw you just
Speaker 4: wait out a president. But more than that, people got
Speaker 4: used to just quick fixes instead of coming together and
Speaker 4: doing the hard work. So it was more about what
Speaker 4: do we need to do to move us forward in
Speaker 4: a way that we're lifting up everybody, not a select view.
Speaker 4: That's when I started to see it. Kamala, it's from
Speaker 4: an experience standpoint. I mean, she's never been a governor,
Speaker 4: she's never had executive experience. She was a senator for
Speaker 4: a couple of years. But the things that Biden gave her,
Speaker 4: she didn't do anything with them. The border, she didn't
Speaker 4: do anything. I've spent more time at the border than
Speaker 4: she's spent at the border. When it came to artificial intelligence,
Speaker 4: he gave her that she didn't do anything with it.
Speaker 4: America's behind everybody else when it comes to artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4: I just haven't seen her do anything. She went to overseas.
Speaker 4: He sent her to a foreign policy conference. She should
Speaker 4: have been talking about how we're going to have more
Speaker 4: allies with Philippines in India and South Korea and Japan
Speaker 4: and all that. She didn't say anything, and China just
Speaker 4: had their way with that conversation. It's not about her personally.
Speaker 4: It's about the fact that we are looking at a
Speaker 4: dangerous time in our country. This is not the time
Speaker 4: to go and put somebody in there and say, oh,
Speaker 4: we're going to do this because you do it. Because
Speaker 4: we've got to get the right person in there, and
Speaker 4: stop with the labels, and stop with the division, and
Speaker 4: stop with who's in which camp, and start focusing on
Speaker 4: how we're going to get America patriotic again and loving
Speaker 4: each other again.
Speaker 3: Question about the executive orders, if there's like immediate needs
Speaker 3: that you need to be met in that moment and
Speaker 3: you can't get Congress on the same page, I don't
Speaker 3: have a problem with a president take an executive order.
Speaker 3: I wish it would be something more permanent, but I
Speaker 3: like that type of leadership.
Speaker 4: So I think you do executive orders were meant to
Speaker 4: for right now. For example, Biden should do an executive
Speaker 4: order to stop everything on the border, and then Congress
Speaker 4: should finish it. It's starting and then finishing. So if
Speaker 4: you do it in that respect, you're fixing things quickly,
Speaker 4: but you're going with a plan to actually fix it.
Speaker 4: You just don't want to do it because it's the
Speaker 4: lazy way out right. You want to do it the
Speaker 4: hard ways.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about our beautiful state of South Carolina.
Speaker 3: That's what the next Republican primary is now based on
Speaker 3: simple math. People say there is no path for you
Speaker 3: to win South Carolina.
Speaker 1: So is it about ego at this point? Because it
Speaker 1: feels like it could be like a suicide missione, you know.
Speaker 4: But why are people saying that. What's the proof in that?
Speaker 4: So I moved twenty five points in New Hampshire in
Speaker 4: three weeks. Rating in South Carolina is seventy six percent.
Speaker 4: People like what I did as governor. My job now
Speaker 4: is to show them that I could be a good president.
Speaker 4: We had an event in North Charleston. We had one
Speaker 4: thousand people. We had an event in Malden, we had
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred people. We were in Conway, we had eight
Speaker 4: hundred people. People are coming out because they want something different,
Speaker 4: they want something new, and they trusted me as their
Speaker 4: governor and they appreciated what I did. I now have
Speaker 4: to show them that we can translate that as president.
Speaker 3: It seems like they like you in South Carolina, but
Speaker 3: it feels like they love Trump. I was looking at
Speaker 3: it and says, he said, a majority of the federal,
Speaker 3: state and local Republican elected officials endorsed Trump.
Speaker 1: Does that hurt you?
Speaker 4: Do you know why that happened? Do you know why
Speaker 4: that happened? So they're saying, you know. A reporter said, so,
Speaker 4: how do you feel that, you know, the governor of
Speaker 4: South Carolina, you know, is standing behind Donald Trump. I said,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you mean the one that I defeated when
Speaker 4: I became governor. And then they said, well, what do
Speaker 4: you think about you know the political established up there.
Speaker 4: I said, you mean the group that I forced them
Speaker 4: to have to show their votes on the record because
Speaker 4: they were hiding in voice votes. The group that I
Speaker 4: forced them to disclose their incomes when they didn't want
Speaker 4: to show it. The group that I vetoed half a
Speaker 4: billion dollars of their pet projects, because that's not doing
Speaker 4: anything to lift up South Carolinians. I don't want. No.
Speaker 4: I never Republicans and Democrats. I call you out. If
Speaker 4: you do something wrong that's not lifting people up, I'm
Speaker 4: going to call you out. I don't care who you are.
Speaker 4: So the political class was never there. I mean, you
Speaker 4: mean Lindsey Graham, who's so stuck next to Trump that
Speaker 4: he is scared to say anything against him. You mean
Speaker 4: Tim Scott, who I appointed as Senator, but I defeated
Speaker 4: him in this race. No, I don't want any of them.
Speaker 4: It's the people I want. I didn't have the political
Speaker 4: class when I ran against the longest serving legislator in
Speaker 4: a primary. I didn't have the political class when I
Speaker 4: ran as governor against an attorney general, a lieutenant governor,
Speaker 4: a very popular congressman, and a state senator. I don't
Speaker 4: want the political class. Now Trump has surrounded himself with
Speaker 4: a group of the political elite who've done nothing for Americans.
Speaker 4: They haven't done anything when it comes to our economy,
Speaker 4: nothing when it comes to education, nothing when it comes
Speaker 4: to securing our border. And that's who he's going to
Speaker 4: surround himself with It's exactly why I'm running.
Speaker 2: Face with Tim Scott because you did appoint him. Did
Speaker 2: you feel like that was a slap in the face
Speaker 2: and the fact that he loves Donald Trump and wants
Speaker 2: tongue kiss him, did you feel like that was a
Speaker 2: last one?
Speaker 4: You know, people have to deal with their decisions. He's
Speaker 4: going to have to sleep with that one day.
Speaker 3: How did you feel when you saw him say I
Speaker 3: love you to Donald Trump in that way?
Speaker 4: He's going to have to sleep with that one, not.
Speaker 1: Sleep with him. But like we know, did he ever
Speaker 1: tell you that he loved you after you appointed him?
Speaker 4: In twenty twelve, he didn't even call or text me
Speaker 4: to tell me that he was going to endorse Donald Trump. Wow,
Speaker 4: he didn't call or text me to tell me he
Speaker 4: was running for president.
Speaker 1: So Yo, are on good terms though?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 4: I have always thought he was a friend. I appointed
Speaker 4: him one because I thought he could do the job,
Speaker 4: and not just to point South Carolina, but too. I
Speaker 4: thought it took South Carolina to a new level. That's
Speaker 4: what I wanted. That's what I always focused on in
Speaker 4: every job I've ever had. What can you do to
Speaker 4: bring out the best in people. That's what a leader does,
Speaker 4: You bring out the best in people. I still think
Speaker 4: appointing Tim Scott was the right decision. I'll always say that.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of the fact that we did that. I'm
Speaker 4: proud of the fact that South Carolinians, you know, elected
Speaker 4: him after I appointed him. But look, he's got to
Speaker 4: live with that decision.
Speaker 1: I don't how much of it do you take personals
Speaker 1: from all the politicians up here.
Speaker 4: You can't take it personally. I mean the reason I'm politics.
Speaker 4: If you take it personally, it becomes about you. This
Speaker 4: is not about me. This is about the fact that I
Speaker 4: don't want my kids to live like this. I don't
Speaker 4: want your girls to live like this. They deserve better.
Speaker 4: You look at anybody in their twenties. They think both
Speaker 4: parties are crazy, and I don't think they're wrong. Like
Speaker 4: the extremes on both sides are so toxic. Think about it.
Speaker 4: If somebody puts down a piece of legislation in Congress,
Speaker 4: everybody wants to know whose it is before they decide
Speaker 4: whether to support it. That's when you know you've hit
Speaker 4: rock bottom.
Speaker 1: You know you're challenging Trump now.
Speaker 3: But early on it felt like none of the Republican
Speaker 3: candidates were willing to challenge Donald Trump on anything except
Speaker 3: for Chris Christie.
Speaker 1: And I always ask, you, know, how can you be.
Speaker 3: Looked at as a leader if you look like you're
Speaker 3: just constantly kissing up the Trump like you constantly look
Speaker 3: like you're just a lackey you wanting.
Speaker 1: To be his running me.
Speaker 4: I've never kissed up to Trump. I've always told him
Speaker 4: the hard truths when I was in the administration. The
Speaker 4: reason we work together is when he did something good,
Speaker 4: I worked hard to make America strong. When he did
Speaker 4: something wrong, I showed up in his office or I
Speaker 4: called him and I would say, you cannot do this,
Speaker 4: but instead you could do X, Y or Z. There
Speaker 4: were fourteen people in this race. I was disciplined and focused.
Speaker 4: I needed to get the others out. I knew it
Speaker 4: was going to be him at the end. He was
Speaker 4: not my focus in the beginning. He is my focus now.
Speaker 4: That's why you've heard me come out and say, this
Speaker 4: is the difference between him and me. This is the
Speaker 4: fact that we have to look at the fact that
Speaker 4: he now wants to raise taxes on every American by
Speaker 4: putting a ten percent tariff. Think about that. That's taxes
Speaker 4: you're going to raise on every baby stroller, on every appliance,
Speaker 4: twenty six hundred dollars more per family. When he gets
Speaker 4: into office, everybody talks about how good is our economy
Speaker 4: was with him, it was good, But at what cost?
Speaker 4: He put US eight trillion dollars in debt in four years.
Speaker 4: Now we're like having to figure out how we're going
Speaker 4: to pull out of that. Look at what happened and
Speaker 4: you know now he said yesterday the stock market's great
Speaker 4: because people are excited about him being president. How many
Speaker 4: more times are you going to let him lie about
Speaker 4: things that aren't true and say, you know what, something's
Speaker 4: not quite right. And this also is about a general election.
Speaker 4: This is about who can win. He can't win moderates,
Speaker 4: he can't win independence, he can't win suburban women. He
Speaker 4: lost in twenty eighteen, he lost in twenty he lost
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two. How many more times do you
Speaker 4: have to lose before you say, you know what, maybe
Speaker 4: that's not the guy.
Speaker 3: So question, if you know, let's say Trump does win, right,
Speaker 3: and then when's the whole election?
Speaker 1: Would you be in this cabinet? Because the thing I
Speaker 1: hear Republicans do.
Speaker 3: Y'all will say all these things about him, but then
Speaker 3: when he asks you to be in an administration, you'll
Speaker 3: be a part of it.
Speaker 4: I have said to everyone, I am running for president.
Speaker 4: I don't play for a second. I don't want vice president.
Speaker 4: I don't want cabinet. I don't want anything like that.
Speaker 4: I am running because I think we have a country
Speaker 4: to save.
Speaker 1: Would you be in it if he asked you.
Speaker 4: I don't want anything. I don't want anything. No, I
Speaker 4: don't want anything. I have said it in every way
Speaker 4: I know how to say it. I don't want to
Speaker 4: be vice president. I don't want a position. I am
Speaker 4: running for president. That's my focus.
Speaker 2: A lot of women don't necessarily love your stance when
Speaker 2: it comes to abortion, and why is your stance that
Speaker 2: way towards abortion and abortion's rights and women's rights.
Speaker 4: Well, do you know what my stance is?
Speaker 1: I'm asking.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can tell you what it says right now.
Speaker 2: It says Haley opposes abortion rights, explaining that her opposition
Speaker 2: is in her past difficulty in conceiving children.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that is the Democrat party's talking points. I'm
Speaker 4: going to tell you where I stand on it. The
Speaker 4: issue of abortion is personal for every woman and every man.
Speaker 4: It needs to be treated that way. I am personally,
Speaker 4: unapologetically pro life, not because the Republican Party tells me
Speaker 4: to be, but because my husband was adopted and I
Speaker 4: had trouble having both of my children. Having said that,
Speaker 4: I don't judge anyone for being pro choice any more
Speaker 4: than I want them to judge me for being pro life.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about how we got here. Prior to
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three, you had forty six state laws that
Speaker 4: said where people where states were on abortion. And in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three, unelected justices threw out those forty six
Speaker 4: state laws and said abortion at any time, anywhere, for
Speaker 4: any reason. Now, the unelected justices have said we should
Speaker 4: always have had that in the hands of the people.
Speaker 4: That's where I think it does belong. Some states that
Speaker 4: have gone more pro life, I personally welcome that you've
Speaker 4: got some that have gone more pro choice. I wish
Speaker 4: that wasn't the case, but the people decided. The decision
Speaker 4: that we're having now is should there be a federal law?
Speaker 4: But no one is telling the American people the truth
Speaker 4: in order to have a federal law, you have to
Speaker 4: have a majority of the House, sixty Senate votes, and
Speaker 4: a signature of a president. We haven't had sixty Republican
Speaker 4: senators over one hundred years. We might have forty five
Speaker 4: pro life senators. So no Republican president can ban abortions
Speaker 4: any more than a Democrat president can ban these state laws.
Speaker 4: So what should we do? We need to find consensus.
Speaker 4: Can't we agree to ban late term abortions. Can't we
Speaker 4: agree to encourage adoptions and good quality adoptions. Can't we
Speaker 4: agree that doctors and nurses who don't believe in abortions
Speaker 4: shouldn't have to perform them. Can't we agree that contraception
Speaker 4: should be accessible? And can't we agree that no state
Speaker 4: law should say to a woman if she's had an abortion,
Speaker 4: that she's going to go to jail or get the
Speaker 4: death penalty. Let's start there. I am not going to
Speaker 4: demonize this issue. They if the Fellas have done this
Speaker 4: all wrong. You have to humanize this issue. Our number
Speaker 4: one goal is how do we save as many babies
Speaker 4: as we can and support as many moms as we can.
Speaker 4: I had a roommate in college who was raped. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't wish on anyone to go through what she went through,
Speaker 4: wondering if she was pregnant. Everybody has a story. We
Speaker 4: need to be respectful of people's stories. You won't hear
Speaker 4: me demonizing or judging. The problem is the Democrat party
Speaker 4: has put fear in women. The Republican parties put judgment.
Speaker 4: There's no place for fear or judgment when you're talking
Speaker 4: about something this personal. The only thing you should have
Speaker 4: is respects.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of the stuff that you kind
Speaker 3: of stumbled over the last few weeks. Right Like, when
Speaker 3: you say America has never been a racist country, I wonder, then,
Speaker 3: what did you consider the tragic shooting of a manual
Speaker 3: and me, what was that? Was that motivated by racism?
Speaker 4: Absolutely it was motivated. But I don't think America is
Speaker 4: a racist country. You know, I think that America, when
Speaker 4: you look at all, men should be created equal, you know,
Speaker 4: given life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. We should
Speaker 4: strive to say, how do we make today better than yesterday.
Speaker 4: We are not a perfect country. We've got stains in
Speaker 4: our history that we should never repeat. But if I
Speaker 4: grew up as a brown girl in a small rural
Speaker 4: town and my parents told me that I lived in
Speaker 4: a racist country. I would never have thought I had
Speaker 4: a chance. I want every child to know, is there
Speaker 4: racism in our country? Yes? Should we call it out
Speaker 4: every time? You bet? But you can be anything you
Speaker 4: want to be without anyone getting in your way. I
Speaker 4: just don't want kids to feel that. I want them
Speaker 4: to know they've got a chance. I want them to
Speaker 4: know they can do something. That shooting at Mother Emmanuel
Speaker 4: was truly the hardest thing I've ever gone through in
Speaker 4: my life, because you had nine amazing souls who did
Speaker 4: what so many South Carolinians do. On a Wednesday night,
Speaker 4: they went to Bible study, and on that night someone
Speaker 4: else showed up. He didn't look like them, he didn't
Speaker 4: act like them, he didn't sound like them. They didn't
Speaker 4: call the cops, they didn't throw him out. Instead, they
Speaker 4: pulled up a chair and they prayed with him for
Speaker 4: an hour, and when they bowed their heads in that
Speaker 4: last prayer, he began to shoot. These were people like
Speaker 4: ethel Ance. She had lost her daughter two years prior
Speaker 4: to breast cancer, and she would go around Mother Emmanuel
Speaker 4: Church cleaning the church, singing one day at a time.
Speaker 4: Sweet Jesus, that's all I ask of You. Give me
Speaker 4: the strength to do every day what I have to do.
Speaker 4: Taiwan'sa saying, our youngest victim had just finished college, had
Speaker 4: the world in front of them, and on that night
Speaker 4: he stood in front of his eighty seven year old
Speaker 4: great aunt, Susie, and looked at the killer and said,
Speaker 4: you don't have to do this. We mean no harm
Speaker 4: to you. Or it was people like Cynthia Hurd, whose
Speaker 4: life motto was simply to be kinder than necessary. That's
Speaker 4: who these people were. And when this happened, it brought
Speaker 4: South Carolina to her knees. And if you remember, this
Speaker 4: was on the heels of Ferguson. Every place in the
Speaker 4: country was on fire. But what we did, we didn't
Speaker 4: have riots, we had vigils, we didn't have protests. We
Speaker 4: had prayer, and we brought out the best in South
Speaker 4: Carolinians to say it's time, and we brought that Confederate
Speaker 4: flag down. That's the way we have to go forward.
Speaker 4: I knew when I asked for the Confederate flag to
Speaker 4: come down that it was going to be an impossible feat.
Speaker 4: I had talked to legislators prior when I first became
Speaker 4: governor to see if there was any any will to
Speaker 4: move that Confederate flag because we were losing a lot
Speaker 4: of economic development. Lots of things were happening from that
Speaker 4: flag flying right in front of the state House. Republicans
Speaker 4: and Democrats, whites and blacks told me not to touch
Speaker 4: it because of what they went through in two thousand.
Speaker 4: There were you know, death threats, all this that it
Speaker 4: tore the state up, so they didn't want to touch it.
Speaker 4: When this happened, we needed to do something. And what
Speaker 4: brought it to light was, you know, the national media
Speaker 4: came in and they wanted to define this. They wanted
Speaker 4: to make it about guns. They wanted to make it
Speaker 4: about racism, they wanted to make it about the death penalty.
Speaker 4: It was, but the point was I strong armed them
Speaker 4: and said there will be a time where we talk
Speaker 4: about all that, but right now, we have nine souls
Speaker 4: we need to put to rest. I didn't have that
Speaker 4: luxury because two days later the killer came out draped
Speaker 4: in the Confederate flag, and I told my staff, I said,
Speaker 4: I want you to call four meetings. I said, I
Speaker 4: want you to call Democrat leadership, Republican leadership. I want
Speaker 4: you to call the congressional delegation, and I want you
Speaker 4: to call community leaders. And I said, don't tell them
Speaker 4: why I'm calling, because I knew they wouldn't show up.
Speaker 4: And in every one of those meetings, I said, at
Speaker 4: three o'clock today, I'm going to ask for the Confederate
Speaker 4: flag to come down. And if you will stand with me,
Speaker 4: I will forever be grateful, and if you won't, I'll
Speaker 4: never tell anyone you were in this room. And I
Speaker 4: had my husband with me that day because I didn't
Speaker 4: think anybody was going to stand with me. And at
Speaker 4: three o'clock we had Democrats, we had Republicans, we had men,
Speaker 4: we had women, we had blacks, we had whites. But
Speaker 4: that was the easy part. It took two thirds vote
Speaker 4: to get the flag down. Now, the Senate passed it quickly.
Speaker 4: And the reason they passed it quickly is because Senator
Speaker 4: Pintney was the pastor of Mother Emmanuel Church. And I'll
Speaker 4: never get over the night that I knew that happened,
Speaker 4: that I called him and I said, Senator, I am
Speaker 4: so sorry about what happened. I will be their first
Speaker 4: thing in the morning. Whatever your families in congregation need,
Speaker 4: we will be there. It haunts me to this day
Speaker 4: that that phone was ringing in his pocket. He was
Speaker 4: at Mother Emmanuel and he was killed. So the Senate
Speaker 4: passed it quickly because their brother had died. The House
Speaker 4: was a big issue now in South Carolina. Half the
Speaker 4: people saw the Confederate flag as heritage and tradition. The
Speaker 4: other half saw it as slavery and hate. My job
Speaker 4: wasn't to judge either side. My job was to get
Speaker 4: them to see the best in themselves and go forward.
Speaker 4: The House didn't want to budge. I told the Speaker
Speaker 4: of the House, I said, I need that flag to
Speaker 4: come down. He came back, he said, all right, I
Speaker 4: did the best I could. They'll bring the flag down,
Speaker 4: but they want to put a different type of flag
Speaker 4: up there, related to the Confederacy. I said, no flag.
Speaker 4: A couple of days later, he comes back, he's like,
Speaker 4: all right, we got it. They're willing to bring the
Speaker 4: flag down. And I said, great, let's do it immediately.
Speaker 4: Let's get this done. And he said, well, there's just
Speaker 4: one little thing. He said, they want to keep the
Speaker 4: flag pole up. What now? I South Carolina politics is
Speaker 4: truly a blood sport. I knew what that meant if
Speaker 4: they didn't bring the flag pole down. As soon as
Speaker 4: the national media left, flag was going back up. I said,
Speaker 4: I want the flag down. I want the flag pole down.
Speaker 4: He said, why you could declare when you could tell
Speaker 4: everybody you got the flag down. I said, because I
Speaker 4: don't want any other governor to go through what this
Speaker 4: state just had to go through. I said, get the flag,
Speaker 4: and he goes, I can't do it. So I went
Speaker 4: to the Republican Caucus and I said, I want to
Speaker 4: tell you a story. I said, when I was growing up,
Speaker 4: my dad would go to the big city of Columbia,
Speaker 4: and sometimes I'd get to ride with him, and he
Speaker 4: loved to stop at produce stands. He liked buying directly
Speaker 4: from farmers. And I said, and one day we went
Speaker 4: to a produce stand and he was getting his things,
Speaker 4: and I saw the two people at the register and
Speaker 4: they looked alarmed. My dad wears a turban, and a
Speaker 4: couple minutes later, two police cars drove up, and the
Speaker 4: police officer stood next to the owners. My dad kept
Speaker 4: getting his produce. He went to the counter, he paid,
Speaker 4: and he thanked them. We got in the car and
Speaker 4: my dad didn't speak to me the whole way home
Speaker 4: because he hoped I didn't notice what just happened. I
Speaker 4: knew exactly what happened. And I told the caucus, I said,
Speaker 4: when I go to get on the state plane, I
Speaker 4: sometimes have to pass that produce stand, and every time
Speaker 4: I passed that produce stand, I feel pain. I said,
Speaker 4: don't let a single child ride past our statehouse and
Speaker 4: see that flag and feel pain. Get the flag and
Speaker 4: get the poll down. One am that night they voted,
Speaker 4: and we brought it down.
Speaker 3: A question when you look at the inequalities in America
Speaker 3: and education, you know, home ownership, employment and wealth, healthcare,
Speaker 3: can you admit that their America is systemically and structurally
Speaker 3: a racist country.
Speaker 4: I think culture has a lot to do with it, right,
Speaker 4: but it's more of if you look at that, how
Speaker 4: do you fix it when you.
Speaker 3: Say all men are created equal, No, they weren't, because
Speaker 3: we were label three fifths of a human Black people.
Speaker 4: Were right, and we made that wrong. Right, and we've
Speaker 4: got some more rights we have to do.
Speaker 3: But this is so systemically and structurally. Do you think
Speaker 3: America is racist? Not the people, not everybody in America.
Speaker 4: I don't think America is racist I think we have
Speaker 4: racism in America, and I think and I think we
Speaker 4: have cultural issues. But let me explain where I am. So,
Speaker 4: first of all, I grew up and you might have.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Berkeley County was like this in
Speaker 4: a town of twenty five hundred two stoplights. We were
Speaker 4: the only Indian family in that small southern town. We
Speaker 4: weren't white enough to be white. We weren't black enough
Speaker 4: to be black. They didn't know who we were, what
Speaker 4: we were, or why we were there in that rural town.
Speaker 4: We didn't know what we didn't have, and so people
Speaker 4: just survived. I now have a education foundation in South
Speaker 4: Carolina where we do after school programs in all rural
Speaker 4: challenged areas, because you've got to give extra support to
Speaker 4: those areas that don't have But when I came into
Speaker 4: South Carolina's governor, we had thousands of people on welfare.
Speaker 4: A lot of that was generational, from one generation to
Speaker 4: the next. They just lived on welfare. It's all they knew.
Speaker 4: I wanted to change that. So what I did is
Speaker 4: I took the people on welfare and I matched them
Speaker 4: up with businesses, and I told the businesses, if you
Speaker 4: will take this person and train them. I will pay
Speaker 4: for them for X number of weeks and then you
Speaker 4: decide if you want to hire them. We moved thirty
Speaker 4: five thousand people from welfare to work. We had family
Speaker 4: parties because for the first time kids saw their parents
Speaker 4: working that those people didn't want a job, they didn't
Speaker 4: know where to get the training. You got to do
Speaker 4: the extra stuff to lift them up. Then I went
Speaker 4: into the prison systems. I wanted to know how people
Speaker 4: got in, what happened when they were there, and how
Speaker 4: they got out. And I completely and I went into
Speaker 4: those prisons and talked to the inmates and I completely
Speaker 4: reformed the system to where we gave them financial planning,
Speaker 4: family planning, computer skills, but we put equipment behind the
Speaker 4: fence and we taught them a skill. Now when someone
Speaker 4: leaves the fence, they have a job to go to
Speaker 4: the next day. We have the lowest forcidivism rate in
Speaker 4: the country. The goal is not what the circumstances are.
Speaker 4: How do you pull people out of those circumstances and
Speaker 4: lift them up.
Speaker 3: Well, you can't hear what you don't reveal, So you
Speaker 3: have to acknowledge the you know the history of the.
Speaker 4: Way you have to acknowledge that these things are happening,
Speaker 4: and how are you going to fix it?
Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I wont to do.
Speaker 3: Why can't politicians Democrat and Republican because we've all heard
Speaker 3: We've heard you say America has never been a racist country.
Speaker 3: We've heard the Vice president say that before. We've heard
Speaker 3: Oggim clib and say that before, We've heard Tim Scott.
Speaker 1: Say that before.
Speaker 3: Why can't Democratic and Republicans just be honest and tell people, Hey,
Speaker 3: we can't have honest conversations about racism in this country
Speaker 3: because it's not a good electoral strategy.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's not why.
Speaker 1: That's why everybody does.
Speaker 4: I have talked about Look, I have talked about racism
Speaker 4: as it affected me and how we need to get
Speaker 4: past it. I mean, keep it.
Speaker 3: You can't talk about it and say America's never been
Speaker 3: You can't say America's never been a racist coutry, but
Speaker 3: then talk about the racism you experienced.
Speaker 4: There is racism in our country. I don't think that
Speaker 4: our country was founded to be racist. I don't. I
Speaker 4: think that it was meant to be this amazing experiment
Speaker 4: to see if we could have freedom and democracy in
Speaker 4: a way that all men are created equal, but are
Speaker 4: not there yet.
Speaker 3: If you didn't look at all men as equal from
Speaker 3: the beginning, then the ideology is flawed.
Speaker 4: But why do you want kids to hear that they
Speaker 4: live in a racist country? Why can't you tell kids, look,
Speaker 4: we're not perfect and we have some more things to fix.
Speaker 4: I just I don't want any child to think like that.
Speaker 4: I don't want any child to believe that their disadvantage
Speaker 4: from the second they're born. I didn't want to feel that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a disadvantage. I think if you
Speaker 1: tell somebody so, I think if you.
Speaker 3: Tell somebody it's colde outside, you just that just makes
Speaker 3: them put on a colde.
Speaker 4: No, it makes them, it makes them know what it's
Speaker 4: going to feel like before they even get outside. I
Speaker 4: don't want kids to feel that. I want them to
Speaker 4: get outside with confidence and strength and know that they
Speaker 4: can beat anything. We have to do that.
Speaker 1: I think I got to know the truth too, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the truth.
Speaker 2: You know, like I have two black sons, and they
Speaker 2: have to understand what they're facing when they go out
Speaker 2: to this. Well, it's not going to be the same
Speaker 2: as let's say my neighbor or a classmate. It's going
Speaker 2: to be the same and the same thing with the same.
Speaker 1: Thing with you.
Speaker 2: If you and the let's say your brothers wore the
Speaker 2: same thing that your dad wore, they weren't going to
Speaker 2: have the same lifestyle and they were going to be
Speaker 2: looked at differently than your other classmates.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the truth.
Speaker 4: There was a We Miss Bamberg pageant that everybody would
Speaker 4: put their children in. It was the big thing in Bamberg.
Speaker 4: She always put your kits in. So my mom decided
Speaker 4: to put me and my sister in this pageant. And
Speaker 4: I was disqualified because they had a black queen and
Speaker 4: they had a white queen. And they said they didn't
Speaker 4: know where to put me because if I was in
Speaker 4: the black category, the blacks to be mad. If I
Speaker 4: was in the white category, the whites to be mad.
Speaker 4: So they gave me a beach ball and sent me
Speaker 4: all my way. Beef didn't Yeah, I know, that's all
Speaker 4: I got. Right only after my mom said, will you
Speaker 4: at least let her sing her song? You're never gonna
Speaker 4: believe it. My song was this land is your land,
Speaker 4: this land is my land. I mean, it doesn't get
Speaker 4: any worse than that. Listen, did my parents sit down
Speaker 4: and say to us what happened here was wrong? Yes?
Speaker 4: But did they say this is the way the country is. No,
Speaker 4: my mom said, you get up, you show that this
Speaker 4: is We're going to make it better tomorrow. I just
Speaker 4: it's my mentality that I want everybody to know. We
Speaker 4: all have a job to do, and that's to fix
Speaker 4: this country, and we never stop doing it. We have racism,
Speaker 4: and it's terrible. I've felt y'all felt it. A lot
Speaker 4: of people have felt it. But are we not going
Speaker 4: to fight every day to make sure that we stomp
Speaker 4: it out wherever we see it? Absolutely? But I don't
Speaker 4: want kids being raised to think that they're never going
Speaker 4: to get past it. I want them to think that
Speaker 4: they can actually be the ones that help us get
Speaker 4: pasted it.
Speaker 1: But they have to know what it is.
Speaker 3: You can't take it out of you can't take it
Speaker 3: out of classrooms, you can't take it out of curriculum.
Speaker 3: You can't act like it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: I have to heal it. You have to reveal it.
Speaker 1: Noider to here, But.
Speaker 4: Didn't we learn it in South Carolina? We learned about it.
Speaker 4: We learned about it in history classes. You should always
Speaker 4: talk about it in history classes. You don't know how
Speaker 4: to keep bad things from happening if you don't look
Speaker 4: at the past and say, okay, how do we go
Speaker 4: for Those are the lessons that we have to learn.
Speaker 4: I think it's fine to talk about it. I have
Speaker 4: no issues with that, but don't don't judge people who
Speaker 4: are trying to do right now and don't live in
Speaker 4: the past. Let's look forward and say what do we
Speaker 4: want to look like?
Speaker 3: So why did you take the Confederate flag now? Was
Speaker 3: because it was a symbolism of racism or hate?
Speaker 1: Like why they said? You said it was two sides.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't for me to judge. But you couldn't
Speaker 4: look at that killer draped in that Confederate flag and
Speaker 4: not know that that was it. Really is what I
Speaker 4: told the call, I don't want any child to ride
Speaker 4: by that and think of those nine people that died,
Speaker 4: and like, we had to do that that I had to.
Speaker 4: And the thing is they had tried for years to
Speaker 4: get it down. It was put up. It was put
Speaker 4: up by a Democrat governor who promised to just have
Speaker 4: it up for a year and take it down, and
Speaker 4: he never took it down. So this is not where
Speaker 4: you blame people. This is about saying, let's right or wrong.
Speaker 4: And That's what I've always tried to do. If I
Speaker 4: lived my life blaming you know, what Trump calls me today,
Speaker 4: or what somebody said about me yesterday or whatever, I'd
Speaker 4: spend all that energy on them instead of spending the
Speaker 4: energy on saying I'm going to do better.
Speaker 1: You think Trump mocking your birth name was racist?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we can let other people decide that.
Speaker 4: I think you know, you look at it and it's
Speaker 4: kind of like the Tim Scott you sleep with yourself.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll let Donald Trump sleep with that all
Speaker 4: they want.
Speaker 1: Oh, he don't care. He sleeps very good at it.
Speaker 4: And then that's why we need a new president.
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on immigration?
Speaker 4: So, first of all, we got to secure the border.
Speaker 4: I mean, America is acting like it's September tenth, and
Speaker 4: we better remember what September twelfth felt like. It only
Speaker 4: takes one person, and I have been to the border
Speaker 4: and it's horrific what's happening for both for the people
Speaker 4: that are coming and for the people that have to
Speaker 4: live with it. So first, secure the border. We passed
Speaker 4: the toughest i legal immigration law in the country when
Speaker 4: I was governor, and I think the way we fix
Speaker 4: it is you say we're going to have a national
Speaker 4: everify program. Every business has to prove that the people
Speaker 4: they hire in this country legally. We've got a defund
Speaker 4: sanctuary cities once and for all. If they know there's
Speaker 4: a safe haven, they're going to keep coming. You got
Speaker 4: to put twenty five thousand Border patrol and ICE agents
Speaker 4: on the ground and let them do their job. They're
Speaker 4: not letting them do it. Now. We have to go
Speaker 4: back to the remain in Mexico policy so that no
Speaker 4: one steps foot on US soil and instead of catching release,
Speaker 4: you got to go to catch and deport. But you
Speaker 4: also have to do legal immigration reform. It should not
Speaker 4: take someone ten years to become a citizen. I mean
Speaker 4: right now, we've got to focus on what we need
Speaker 4: to do to get all of that slowness and bureaucracy
Speaker 4: out and allow it to be based on merit. What
Speaker 4: makes our country better start when you do it on merit,
Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden, you're helping the economy, you're
Speaker 4: helping the country, You're doing all of those things, but
Speaker 4: they got to do both. And it's inexcusable that they
Speaker 4: continue to push this can down the road and wait
Speaker 4: for something bad to happen instead of just securing that
Speaker 4: border right now.
Speaker 3: It's terrible, But you know, Republicans are kind of politicizing
Speaker 3: it right now, right because there's a deal on the table.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's considered a good deal or not.
Speaker 3: But do you think Republicans should take Joe Biden's deal
Speaker 3: or should they listen to Donald Trump was telling them no,
Speaker 3: it don't take it because he just wants the credit
Speaker 3: for it if he wins.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it is a mistake for Trump
Speaker 4: to say I don't want anything because it'll make it
Speaker 4: harder for me an election. Something needs to be done today,
Speaker 4: Like to me, Republicans and Democrats, they shouldn't leave DC
Speaker 4: until they fix this, and Biden should stay there and
Speaker 4: make sure they do it that. I don't know the
Speaker 4: full details of the deal. The only thing I do
Speaker 4: know is it doesn't have the remain in Mexico policy,
Speaker 4: which is very important. People need to stay in Mexico.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't come here. They're not vetting anybody, and you
Speaker 4: shouldn't allow anybody to come across that. We don't know
Speaker 4: who they are, what they are, all of that. So
Speaker 4: if we're going to do it, we all know Congress.
Speaker 4: Once Congress passes something, they walk away and say, oh,
Speaker 4: we did that already, do it right, do it right?
Speaker 4: But should they wait till the election to do it? No,
Speaker 4: you get it done now. We can't wait another day.
Speaker 1: Why not use that against Trump?
Speaker 3: Like, why not tell the American people, Hey, the border
Speaker 3: deal could be done right now with Trump is impeding
Speaker 3: on that progress.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, the media is not talking about it.
Speaker 4: I have said that it is not a good thing
Speaker 4: to say you're going to wait until the election to
Speaker 4: get it done. Americans can't wait until the election. I've
Speaker 4: called it out. I'm happy to call out. But I
Speaker 4: also think it should be a good deal. It needs
Speaker 4: to be a strong deal. If we're going to do this,
Speaker 4: it needs to keep Americans safe.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that make Trump the shadow president? The fact that
Speaker 1: he can just say on true.
Speaker 3: Social hey man, I don't think y'all should do the
Speaker 3: deal in Republicans are actually listening to them.
Speaker 4: I mean, yesterday he said that the reason the stock
Speaker 4: market was good was because of him, because people now
Speaker 4: think he's going to win. I mean, Americans aren't stupid,
Speaker 4: they're not. But what we do need to do is
Speaker 4: see reality for what it is. It's I don't have
Speaker 4: personal issues with him, that's just not it. But do
Speaker 4: we really want to keep going in this direction? Do
Speaker 4: we really want all this chaos? Because no one feels safe,
Speaker 4: no one feels like America's moving. Our enemies don't know
Speaker 4: what happened to us and are taking advantage of it.
Speaker 4: And we've got to start looking in the mirror and
Speaker 4: saying we can either be part of the solution or not.
Speaker 4: That's why we're trying to get everybody out to vote
Speaker 4: in a primary. You've got options, You've got options. A
Speaker 4: lot of people vote in a general election, but they
Speaker 4: don't vote in a primary. In general election, you're given
Speaker 4: a choice. In a primary, you make the choice. That's
Speaker 4: why we need to have people voting in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: I got a few more questions because you' give us
Speaker 1: a lot of time. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Would you use force against Texas if they tried to
Speaker 3: secede over the board issue? Because I remember in twenty
Speaker 3: ten you said you U has states should have the
Speaker 3: right to secede.
Speaker 1: Do you still believe that.
Speaker 4: I believe in states rights. I believe that everything should
Speaker 4: be as close to the people to decide. We know
Speaker 4: that's not going to happen. That's not the issue, but
Speaker 4: I do think, like right now, it's a good issue
Speaker 4: on state's rights. Biden won't secure the border. If Governor
Speaker 4: Abbott goes and puts that fencing up there to keep
Speaker 4: people out. He has to protect Texans. When I was governor,
Speaker 4: I had to protect South Carolina, and you do whatever
Speaker 4: it takes to protect your people and keep them safe.
Speaker 4: If Biden's saying no, cut that fence, I mean, a
Speaker 4: state has the ability to do these things because states
Speaker 4: rights do matter, and I think that states need to
Speaker 4: be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Would you use force against Texas if they ever try
Speaker 1: to succeed?
Speaker 4: Use force against them? No, we don't ever use force
Speaker 4: against our own Americans.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got it. I don't mean like military or
Speaker 3: anything like that. I'm just talking about, like, would you
Speaker 3: be strong against them doing that?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, states are going to
Speaker 4: make decisions, but let's talk about what's reality. Texas isn't
Speaker 4: going to succeed and succeed. I mean, that's not something
Speaker 4: that they're going to do.
Speaker 1: So why did you say you believe in that in
Speaker 1: two ten?
Speaker 4: What was the context of it.
Speaker 1: I think you said you believe that states have the
Speaker 1: right to secede. That's what you said. You believe the
Speaker 1: states of the United States have the right to seceed community.
Speaker 4: I think that they do. I mean the Constitution says that.
Speaker 4: I think states have the right to make the decisions
Speaker 4: that their people want to make. I mean they do.
Speaker 4: In South Carolina, we said we didn't want Syrian refugees.
Speaker 4: We said we didn't want Guantana Mobay prisoners. We said
Speaker 4: those things. South. I do think that laws should be
Speaker 4: made as close to the people as possible because it
Speaker 4: empowers the people. If Texas decides they want to do that,
Speaker 4: they can do that. But I don't think that if
Speaker 4: that whole state says we don't want to be part
Speaker 4: of America anymore, I mean, that's their decision to make.
Speaker 4: But I don't think government needs to tell people how
Speaker 4: to live, how to do anything. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: that we need to let freedom live and.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I want to go back to the flag.
Speaker 3: Do you still think Confederate Heritage Month should be celebrated.
Speaker 1: You said that in twenty ten.
Speaker 4: What so I right after the flag came down, a
Speaker 4: lot of people wanted to remove monuments and street signs.
Speaker 4: And you know, South Carolina is draped in history. And
Speaker 4: what I said then and what I still say now
Speaker 4: is taking down a monument. Taking down something doesn't change
Speaker 4: the situation. Add to it. So instead of taking down
Speaker 4: a monument, they're putting up a memorial for Mother Emmanuel.
Speaker 4: There's an African American museum now right there in Charleston.
Speaker 4: Add to the history. Don't erase history, because that's what
Speaker 4: teaches us lessons. If the South Carolina General Assembly wants
Speaker 4: to continue having a Confederate whatever it is they have,
Speaker 4: they vote on that, they decide whether to do that.
Speaker 4: That's up to them. I did my part. My part
Speaker 4: was saying we're not going to have a living, breathing
Speaker 4: symbol stand in front of our state house anymore and
Speaker 4: define us, and brought that down. We all have choices
Speaker 4: to make the legislature if they choose to do that,
Speaker 4: they can choose to do that. I mean, I remember,
Speaker 4: right when I asked for the flag to come down,
Speaker 4: there was one day, we had the Black Panthers on
Speaker 4: one side of the State House and we had the
Speaker 4: KKK on the other side. That each of them that
Speaker 4: was their choice. I made sure there was enough security
Speaker 4: that no one got hurt. Freedom does matter. I will
Speaker 4: always fight for people's freedom. I will never sit there
Speaker 4: and say what you can say and not say. I'll
Speaker 4: never tell you how to live or not live. I'll
Speaker 4: never control your life and say government's going to tell
Speaker 4: you to do this. I strongly believe that freedom that
Speaker 4: people need to live and say and do what they
Speaker 4: want to do. I may not agree with it, but
Speaker 4: I will always fight for your freedom.
Speaker 1: And you know in two thousands and you also said
Speaker 1: about the Civil War.
Speaker 3: You said it had an interview too, that it was
Speaker 3: about tradition versus change. And then they asked you about
Speaker 3: it earlier this year and you said it wasn't about slavery.
Speaker 3: But then you came back and said it was. Why
Speaker 3: initially didn't you just say, hey, it was about slavery.
Speaker 4: So the context of that is I've done over one
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty town halls, answering every question, shaking every hand.
Speaker 4: We don't screen anything all that. When he asked that question.
Speaker 4: I made the mistake of thinking he was he was
Speaker 4: trying to ask something else. I could tell that he
Speaker 4: was not a fan. Slavery should have been the first
Speaker 4: thing that came out of my mouth. I mean, growing
Speaker 4: up in South Carolina, we all knew that the Civil
Speaker 4: War was about slavery. That almost seemed too easy. I
Speaker 4: thought he was asking a harder question, and that's why
Speaker 4: I didn't say it. It was wrong. I should have
Speaker 4: said it. I agree, you know that, But it was
Speaker 4: just me overthinking that question.
Speaker 1: I feel stupid that night, Is you like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it was one of those things like because
Speaker 4: it was so like slavery's a given, So I was
Speaker 4: mad that it was a given. But I was too
Speaker 4: busy judging his intentions. Then I was just answering the question.
Speaker 4: And it was a mistake.
Speaker 3: You know, in your memoir in twenty twelve, you said
Speaker 3: that you believe, you believe that letting law makers hide
Speaker 3: the sources of their income is wrong. But you've done
Speaker 3: the same thing, So why not mention that.
Speaker 1: In your memoir?
Speaker 4: When did I have my sources of income?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I read an ny Times article this week and it
Speaker 3: said they were questioning you about your ethics because of
Speaker 3: a contract you had with Wili Smith that you didn't disclose.
Speaker 4: All of them. Not only was it disco First of all,
Speaker 4: they brought up this issue and said, why didn't you
Speaker 4: tell we didn't have disclosure of income? But what I
Speaker 4: did do is anything that was a conflict of interest.
Speaker 4: I recused myself from voting because they tried to make
Speaker 4: this a thing. That is the reason I said we
Speaker 4: should disclose everything. So I tried to. Any time you
Speaker 4: see a wrong, transparency heals all things, and so I
Speaker 4: open it up. It's why I required legislators to start
Speaker 4: showing their votes on the record. It's why I said
Speaker 4: we should all have to disclose our income. It's why
Speaker 4: I've always been very transparent. Anything that people want to see,
Speaker 4: I think you should be able to see it if
Speaker 4: you're in public office. And so again, you find wrongs
Speaker 4: and you make them right. It wasn't that I was
Speaker 4: hiding my income. South Carolina didn't require it, but when
Speaker 4: questions came up, I thought we should require it. Taxpayers
Speaker 4: should know where people get paid. That's the legislature hated
Speaker 4: me for it, but it was true. We all should
Speaker 4: have to show taxpayers whatever it is they need to
Speaker 4: know to feel comfortable about.
Speaker 1: What we're doing in a post Trump era.
Speaker 3: When I read that article, I honestly was like, who cares?
Speaker 1: That's what that was my mind.
Speaker 4: So this New York Times, whatever you're doing about, do.
Speaker 1: You ever think about that?
Speaker 3: Do you ever be like, like, look what's going on
Speaker 3: over here?
Speaker 1: And this is what they're worried about? With me?
Speaker 4: No, it's politics. I mean, it doesn't bother me. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm happy to answer any questions about anything that comes up.
Speaker 4: What do I wish they would talk more about the
Speaker 4: issues facing American families? Yes, Instead they try and throw
Speaker 4: shade to make people don't like her because of this,
Speaker 4: don't like her because of that. But that's why I'm
Speaker 4: incredibly open about everything. I mean, there's nothing you can
Speaker 4: ask me that I'm not going to go and give
Speaker 4: an answer for because I think that you got to
Speaker 4: put yourself out there. So, yeah, do we have to
Speaker 4: fix things when they write stuff like that, I mean,
Speaker 4: instead of saying she wouldn't disclose her income, why don't
Speaker 4: you say because it was an issue? That's why I
Speaker 4: passed the law so that that never happened again. You know,
Speaker 4: I've always tried to make things right when there's been
Speaker 4: a wrong.
Speaker 3: You have a lot of big Democratic donors, you know,
Speaker 3: who have donated to anti Trump candidates and causes, and
Speaker 3: they donated to deal campaign.
Speaker 1: Why do you think Why do you think that is?
Speaker 4: I don't go after any certain kind of donor. We
Speaker 4: need donors, we need voters. I put myself out there,
Speaker 4: and so whoever contributes, I don't say are you a
Speaker 4: Republican or are you a Democrat? Are you an independent?
Speaker 4: I don't ask that. If they support what we're doing,
Speaker 4: we appreciate the same with voters. I don't just go
Speaker 4: to Maga Republicans. I don't just go to Republicans. I'm
Speaker 4: talking to Republicans, I'm talking to independence, I'm talking to Democrats.
Speaker 4: I'm talking to anybody that will listen. Because this is
Speaker 4: a story about addition, you should want I've said this
Speaker 4: to the Republican Party a million times. Republicans have lost
Speaker 4: the last seven out of eight popular votes for president.
Speaker 4: That's nothing to be proud of. We should want to
Speaker 4: win the majority of Americans. That's what I'm trying to do,
Speaker 4: is I want everybody. So if people decide to donate
Speaker 4: to us. I appreciate it. We'll take it. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I'm focused on lifting up everybody.
Speaker 4: That's where I think our country finally needs to go.
Speaker 3: How the ward just looking because I saw something last night.
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like you have digital ads running on Facebook,
Speaker 3: which I thought was s grenge, like, I want to
Speaker 3: see some of your digital ads or at least the
Speaker 3: ones your campaign was running, and it says they were off.
Speaker 4: No, we have so we are on TV. We've got digital,
Speaker 4: we've got door knockers, we've got phone callers, we have
Speaker 4: where I mean, we've got lots of comer marcis on TV.
Speaker 4: The money I'm gonna account it. So when the rest
Speaker 4: of the Fellows were spending all their money on things
Speaker 4: that didn't matter, mine has always gone straight to TV
Speaker 4: where we can touch as many voters as we can.
Speaker 4: So we have enough to be strong in South Carolina.
Speaker 4: We're now raising for when Trump hits me, to be
Speaker 4: able to defend ourselves. That's the next focus. But look,
Speaker 4: we're gonna take it from everybody, and I'll tell you,
Speaker 4: I mean, everything from our money standpoint is good. But
Speaker 4: after Trump went on that temper tantrum. We raised a
Speaker 4: million dollars after he said anybody that supports her, you know,
Speaker 4: it can't be part of MAGA. We raised another one
Speaker 4: point six million. After he went and tried to say
Speaker 4: the Republican Party should name him the nominee. We raised
Speaker 4: another one point four million, all in small dollars from
Speaker 4: around the country. We have over two hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: five thousand donors from across the country. Ninety five percent
Speaker 4: of those donations are two hundred dollars or less. Those
Speaker 4: are the people I'm fighting for. Is making sure we
Speaker 4: fight for every normal, regular American out there, not the
Speaker 4: political class.
Speaker 1: Two more questions.
Speaker 3: How has Trump changed politics for the good and of bad.
Speaker 4: He's made it chaotic, He's made it self absorbed. He's
Speaker 4: made people dislike and judge each other. He's left that
Speaker 4: a president should have moral clarity and know the difference
Speaker 4: between right or wrong. And he's just toxic. I mean,
Speaker 4: he you know, I think a lot of the things
Speaker 4: he broke needed to be broken, but he doesn't know
Speaker 4: how to fix things again. And it's not okay to
Speaker 4: just break. You've got to fix it and make it better.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't done that.
Speaker 3: What do you think he's done good for the culture politics?
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about legislation. I'm talking about the
Speaker 3: example I use is I feel like Trump has killed
Speaker 3: the language of politics.
Speaker 1: If politicians wanted.
Speaker 3: To, they could really be on their bulwarth stuff and
Speaker 3: really just tell the truth, speaking like it is, and
Speaker 3: people wouldn't care. And when you said you talk about
Speaker 3: the moral aspect of it.
Speaker 1: I never expected politicians to be perfect, because I know
Speaker 1: they're not. So he's kind of like broken that mold
Speaker 1: the way y'all don't have to be.
Speaker 4: And moral clarity, though, isn't about like being a moral person.
Speaker 4: That's moral clarity is just knowing the difference between right
Speaker 4: and wrong, knowing the difference of you know, should you
Speaker 4: call a group of people a name or not, should
Speaker 4: you disqualified? That's the moral clarity I'm talking about. What
Speaker 4: I think he did right was one, he broke some
Speaker 4: things that needed to be broken. I think those were important.
Speaker 4: Breaking the bureaucracy and getting things to move in a
Speaker 4: way that people started talking about them again, I think
Speaker 4: was important. I think the other thing that he did
Speaker 4: was he really tapped into a group that felt unheard
Speaker 4: and unseen and We should always focus on how you
Speaker 4: can and the unheard unseen are people like where I
Speaker 4: grew up in Bamberg, South, care of those people who
Speaker 4: work hard every day. They don't have a lot of
Speaker 4: time for politics, but they take care of their family.
Speaker 4: But they felt unheard and unseen. And he tapped into that,
Speaker 4: and I think that that was something that was good.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, we should always try and
Speaker 4: tap into those people that you may not see every day,
Speaker 4: or you may not hear, or they may not donate.
Speaker 4: You still got to focus on them too.
Speaker 1: Last question, is all is worth it?
Speaker 4: Yes, because we have a country to save. We have
Speaker 4: a country to save, and I am not going to
Speaker 4: stop until we do this. I know in my soul
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be doing this. I know it because
Speaker 4: I one don't want my kids to live like this.
Speaker 4: I don't want anybody's kids to live like this. This
Speaker 4: is not normal. There's nothing about it that's normal. It's
Speaker 4: not normal to have two eighty year olds running. It's
Speaker 4: not normal to have this chaos around us. It's not
Speaker 4: normal for us to have wars all over the world
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there talking about court cases and calling
Speaker 4: people names. That's not normal.
Speaker 3: You contributed to a lot of it, though, hell being
Speaker 3: a part of administration.
Speaker 4: No, When I was part of his administration, I told
Speaker 4: countries what America was for and what America was against.
Speaker 4: I didn't care if they didn't like me, but I
Speaker 4: wanted them to respect America. We brought respect to the
Speaker 4: United Nations again from America. Countries trusted US and respected
Speaker 4: us again. I'm very proud of what I did. I
Speaker 4: didn't work in DC. I never wanted to be. I
Speaker 4: went there, I had my national security meetings, and I left.
Speaker 4: I didn't get into the drama. I didn't get into
Speaker 4: any of the politics there. I didn't go to the parties.
Speaker 4: I stayed here in New York and I did my
Speaker 4: job and only went to meetings when I had to.
Speaker 4: I kept my head down and focused on what my
Speaker 4: job was. I've always done that.
Speaker 3: The Republicans look at Trump as Frankenstein, and y'all had
Speaker 3: doctor Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: So now y'all got to get rid of I.
Speaker 4: Think there's a lot of Republicans that still like Trump right.
Speaker 4: They like what he did. They think he didn't get
Speaker 4: a moment's piece. They didn't think he got announce of credit.
Speaker 4: But I also think they need to understand that you
Speaker 4: don't have to leave him, you don't have to hate him,
Speaker 4: but you do have to say it's time to move forward.
Speaker 4: Biden and Trump like we're it's time to move forward
Speaker 4: from these older politicians and let's do something that's good
Speaker 4: for America again.
Speaker 1: All right, Nikki Haley, how did you donate to your campaign?
Speaker 4: Go to Nicki Haley dot com. If you're in South Carolina.
Speaker 4: We could do early voting February twelfth, the primaries on
Speaker 4: February twenty fourth, show up with your ID, and let's
Speaker 4: get it done.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the conversation.
Speaker 4: Thank you, this was fun.
Speaker 1: It's Nicki Haley. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake
Speaker 1: that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club