Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Giltias Charge Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Steven and I am the host as always,
Speaker 1: and we're presented by the Chargers Podcast Network of course.
Speaker 1: Join me is my guy, Tyler, Tyler something, how you
Speaker 1: doing today?
Speaker 2: I am doing fantastic. I'm on cloud and I no
Speaker 2: handstands though I can't. I can't do that again. I
Speaker 2: was sore for a whole week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we had to have worked up to that
Speaker 1: that point. You know. Now now you got a little
Speaker 1: little hand string or handstring strain, whatever the case would be,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was a one time thing. So
Speaker 1: exciting news again today to get into today for this episode,
Speaker 1: this is obviously one of the more exciting week stretches
Speaker 1: for Chargers and Chargers fans, and we'll get into some
Speaker 1: of that. First and foremost, Tyler and I are fans
Speaker 1: of the team just like you guys are. The opinions
Speaker 1: that we express on this show are just there, our
Speaker 1: opinions and not the opinions of the organization themselves. We're
Speaker 1: very grateful for this platform to express these opinions. And
Speaker 1: that being said, Tyler, let's dive in. None of this
Speaker 1: is officially official as of recording this on Monday night,
Speaker 1: January twenty ninth, but according to Ian Rappaport and several
Speaker 1: other insiders, the Chargers are believed to be hiring Joe Horties,
Speaker 1: the Ravens director of player personnel as their new GM.
Speaker 1: I think this is again a great move. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about alignment and synergy, and certainly somebody who's
Speaker 1: worked with Jim Harbrod's brother for the better part of
Speaker 1: two decades will be able to have that kind of
Speaker 1: philosophy alignment that we are looking for. So, Tyler, that
Speaker 1: being said, your reaction here to Joe Hortiz and this
Speaker 1: news that it's kind of trending towards him becoming officially
Speaker 1: the new GM.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this would be fantastic for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: When we spoke about lessons learned from the past eleven
Speaker 2: years and what we can take moving forward, two of
Speaker 2: the things that I mentioned and were acquiring draft picks,
Speaker 2: whether that's trading back in the draft.
Speaker 3: Or comp picks.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I mentioned was just alignment from
Speaker 2: general manager and player acquisition all the way through the
Speaker 2: coaching staff. And I think the Chargers get that here
Speaker 2: with Horti should they make this the official higher and
Speaker 2: he comes from one of the best organizations in football
Speaker 2: if you're just looking at draft success, since he was
Speaker 2: the director of college scouting for the Ravens. The Ravens
Speaker 2: have been third over that span in draft success. The
Speaker 2: Chargers have been cover years everybody thirty second over that
Speaker 2: same span, and they are going to get a significant
Speaker 2: upgrade here where it really matters. And Michigan defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: Jesse Minter pointed out that at the epicenter of both
Speaker 2: Baltimore and Michigan's programs was player development and how important
Speaker 2: that was for them and Michigan obviously it's worked for
Speaker 2: them they won the National Championship, and the Ravens that's
Speaker 2: the same case as well. The Ravens have eight players
Speaker 2: who have made the Pro Bowl or All Pro this season.
Speaker 2: Seven of those players they brought in. It was their
Speaker 2: draft picks or an undrafted free agent. The only one
Speaker 2: who wasn't was ro Kwan Smith, who they traded for.
Speaker 2: It is about homegrown talent and developing those players. It's
Speaker 2: one thing to just take the talented player, is another
Speaker 2: thing to make that player into what they should become,
Speaker 2: What they're projected to become. And beyond that too, we
Speaker 2: talked about comppicks. The Ravens are the kings of compicks.
Speaker 2: The Chargers since twenty fourteen up until now, had only
Speaker 2: seven comppicks.
Speaker 3: The Ravens had twenty two. That is twenty two free
Speaker 3: swings at the ball and at bats for the Ravens.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: The Chargers have needed that and they're going to need
Speaker 2: that because justin Herbert, this contract, it's no longer a
Speaker 2: rookie contract. It's not an expensive contract. So the Chargers
Speaker 2: need to make sure that they hit on these draft picks.
Speaker 2: So just it's going to be everything that Jim Harbaugh wants.
Speaker 2: And the number one thing we talked about. We could
Speaker 2: put one candidate against another resume versus resume five, but
Speaker 2: mber one most important thing for us was alignment to
Speaker 2: the head coach. Since that head coach is Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: and Hortiz seems to be a very natural connection for him.
Speaker 2: That synergy from decision making up top to player development,
Speaker 2: to coaching, to scheme to philosophy to fit to identity,
Speaker 2: that's all there. Now the Chargers are going to be
Speaker 2: so much better should they choose to make this move,
Speaker 2: and I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that synergy is extremely important and one
Speaker 1: of the ways that we've kind of tried to parcel
Speaker 1: through this this GM cycle it is how much stock
Speaker 1: do you put into relationships built with Jim Harbaugh over
Speaker 1: you know, the course of several decades ago, whether it
Speaker 1: was Ed Dodds and his direct relationship with him from
Speaker 1: when they were in Oakland together. Brandon Brown had the
Speaker 1: connection the Giant's assistant GM obviously that Albert Beard pointed
Speaker 1: out Ian Cunningham worked for the Ravens. You know, the
Speaker 1: Chargers were were interviewing GM candidates and it was like,
Speaker 1: if you have Harbaugh experience, like that's a plus, But
Speaker 1: it didn't. It was not obviously prerequisit. But you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Ortiz has has spoken the Harbaugh language for the
Speaker 1: Better Park better part of a decade. You know, He's
Speaker 1: learned from Ozzie Newsom, He's learned from Eric Tacosta, and
Speaker 1: everybody says that the Roster building is a collaborative process,
Speaker 1: but nobody exemplifies that better than the Baltimore Ravens, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, And the biggest part about being a general manager,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is finding ways to give your teams
Speaker 1: advantages within the margins, because I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: like you know, the coach, his job is to win
Speaker 1: on game days, right, But everything else, you know, from
Speaker 1: a roster building standpoint, it is the GM and his responsibility.
Speaker 1: And can you find those compics, can you trade down,
Speaker 1: can you hit on undrafted free agents, can you sign
Speaker 1: some minimum some veteran contracts to minimum deals and they
Speaker 1: just you know, over exceed their value. And you know
Speaker 1: you mentioned just from twenty twelve, the Ravens in history
Speaker 1: of compensitory picks have fifty three total compensitory picks. Second
Speaker 1: place on that list is the Green Bay Packers with
Speaker 1: forty three. That's ten extra just for no reason. The
Speaker 1: Chargers in the history of competitory picks, for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: like Tyler mentioned, only have fourteen total. So it's a
Speaker 1: huge difference, and it's a huge advantage that that can
Speaker 1: give you those extra picks. So I think his background
Speaker 1: in working in those margins is going to be a
Speaker 1: huge plus for the Chargers. I would be pretty surprised
Speaker 1: if the Chargers make all of their scheduled draft picks
Speaker 1: at this point, given where Joe Ortiz is coming from,
Speaker 1: and we can dive into that here in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it's just a flexibility aspect for me. He has
Speaker 1: such a flexible background of pulling from draft day trades,
Speaker 1: in season acquisitions, veteran minimum contracts, compensatory picks, everything you
Speaker 1: could possibly want. The Ravens were always about like checking
Speaker 1: off every single box and looking for advantages everywhere that
Speaker 1: they could possibly find. And like you mentioned, the Chargers
Speaker 1: are entering into this cap transitional period where they have
Speaker 1: a lot of expensive contracts. Justin Herbert is going to
Speaker 1: be very expensive starting next season, and so having a
Speaker 1: GM who comes from this kind of background is going
Speaker 1: to be super super important.
Speaker 2: And what about the two things are one of the
Speaker 2: two of the things that have really hurt the Chargers
Speaker 2: this past season.
Speaker 3: That'd be the run game and of course the defense.
Speaker 2: I think bringing in someone who's overseen the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 2: and that run game. Granted, Lamar Jackson has a lot
Speaker 2: to do with that, but still the run game that
Speaker 2: tight ends the full back.
Speaker 3: That's going to be super helpful.
Speaker 2: And then of course the defense be able to build
Speaker 2: both of those two things to help out Justin Herbert,
Speaker 2: you know, lost in all this, we talk about the coach,
Speaker 2: we talk about GM, we talk about all that. But
Speaker 2: Dean Spanners or John Spanals came out and said, the
Speaker 2: number one priority is Justin Herbert, and by extent sure
Speaker 2: it could be Brock Powers at five, and it might
Speaker 2: be Brock Powers at five. If you want to hear
Speaker 2: about Block Powers at five, go see our last episode.
Speaker 3: But it's also about that run game.
Speaker 2: It's about that defense, and I think finding someone who
Speaker 2: has experienced building those two things very very strong.
Speaker 3: Like if you feel better to good as a CHARGES fan,
Speaker 3: it's been a great week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it totally has. You know, Joe Hartiz, we did
Speaker 1: our GM rankings and Joe Hartiz was not at the top.
Speaker 1: We prioritized that assistant GM experience and things like that.
Speaker 1: But there were so many great candidates in this GM
Speaker 1: cycle and Joe Orti's was definitely one of them. So
Speaker 1: this isn't like I feel like they're settling by any means.
Speaker 1: You know, I think this whole thing was about alignment.
Speaker 1: This is about finding a guy who can speak Harbaugh
Speaker 1: and also find you know, just how to you know,
Speaker 1: take advantage of these different areas. So I want to
Speaker 1: talk specifically about their trade history on Draft weekend because
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be something that is
Speaker 1: going to be very different for us as charges fans
Speaker 1: over the last few years and what we're used to.
Speaker 1: And I think there's there's a specific quote out there
Speaker 1: from Hortiz about size and lack thereof or fitting a
Speaker 1: certain physical file, and his quote was, you got to
Speaker 1: pay attention to it, but all players are different. You
Speaker 1: don't want to knock a guy because of a previous player.
Speaker 1: So he really has that flexible mentality and let's adapt
Speaker 1: to the certain player. Let's grade the prospect, not the helmet,
Speaker 1: as Jordan reed a ESPN always likes to say, and
Speaker 1: that pans out into their draft history and just like
Speaker 1: you know, I found this article dating back to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and since then they have traded back into the first
Speaker 1: round to get Lamar Jackson. They traded Hollywood Brown to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals for a first round pick, which they then
Speaker 1: parlayed into more picks by trading down from that spots
Speaker 1: to select Tyler Linnerbaum. They traded Orlando Brown to the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and selected Outa Faoa and Ben Cleveland. With the return,
Speaker 1: they traded up on Day three for tight end Charlie Colart.
Speaker 1: They traded up in the draft in the second round
Speaker 1: for Justin Madobuk. They originally traded down three spots to
Speaker 1: acquire Hollywood Brown. Originally they traded down twice in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen to select Titan Hayden Hurst, and with those returns
Speaker 1: they were able to to trade back up to get
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. They traded up in the third round for
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. They traded down in the second round for
Speaker 1: Matthew Judahon. They traded down again after that and the
Speaker 1: same draft to take Camalaya Correa. This is their entire
Speaker 1: draft history. They trade down, they trade up, they move around,
Speaker 1: They move down twice, they move up twice. They are
Speaker 1: so flexible and active on draft weekend, and it's about
Speaker 1: finding those advantages, and it seems like every time they
Speaker 1: do that, they still end up taking the player that
Speaker 1: they were originally going to take and hit a home
Speaker 1: run with those players, and if it's not a home run,
Speaker 1: they're still a really good player. And then they leave
Speaker 1: in free agency and then they get compensatory picks and
Speaker 1: around and a round around, we go for the Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens on draft weekend. It's it's going to be such
Speaker 1: a treat to see how Joe Jorties approaches this particular
Speaker 1: draft with a fifth overall pick and does he want
Speaker 1: to take one of the blue chip players, does he
Speaker 1: want to trade down and still take a really high
Speaker 1: end player and take two second round players. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be fascinating that this adds so many different layers to
Speaker 1: drafts weekend because his background is of a chess player. Essentially,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's going to move around the
Speaker 1: board as much as he can and try and make
Speaker 1: as many picks as he can and give his team
Speaker 1: as many advantages as he can. And that to me
Speaker 1: as a draft nerd, is extremely exciting to think about
Speaker 1: all the different possibilities that Joe Hortiz can cook up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Charges have given up the equivalent of the
Speaker 2: eighteenth overall pick in the draft based on trades up
Speaker 2: for players the Baltimore Ravens and what they've been able
Speaker 2: to do. The idea that the Chargers could do something
Speaker 2: like what they've done, like the imagination and the process
Speaker 2: that you've talked about that you mentioned there is awesome
Speaker 2: to hear. I'm really excited for this one should it happen,
Speaker 2: of course, but all things are trending that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, we're recording this on Monday night. Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: seems to believe that it is going to be that way.
Speaker 1: So by the time you're listening to this, it might
Speaker 1: have already become official. Who knows it is Monday night,
Speaker 1: all right, Tyler, any other thoughts about here about mister
Speaker 1: Joe hortiz.
Speaker 2: That if you look at the Lions and the way
Speaker 2: that they believe being able to become a contender, not
Speaker 2: necessarily overnight. It's been a lengthy process, of course, and
Speaker 2: they didn't start out great. But if you look at
Speaker 2: the way the Lions have drafted the last three drafts,
Speaker 2: and really this pass one with some of their difference
Speaker 2: makers that could be the Chargers. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: they'll go to the AFT Championship this year based on
Speaker 2: one class. It required several classes for the Lions. You
Speaker 2: can really turn things around very quickly if you hit
Speaker 2: on a couple of drafts or even one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna expand upon that particular point here in
Speaker 1: a minute. So the other piece of news Again, according
Speaker 1: to Ian Rapaport, Tom Pellasero, and some Michigan insiders as well,
Speaker 1: the Chargers are expected to hire jesse Minter away from
Speaker 1: Michigan to be their defensive coordinator. The Rooney rule does
Speaker 1: apply here to defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator hires. It's
Speaker 1: just one candidate instead of two, So the Chargers are
Speaker 1: still going to have to go through a search here
Speaker 1: to determine if jesse Minter is the defensive coordinator. But
Speaker 1: again it sounds like that is where we are training towards.
Speaker 1: So this is again a really fantastic move by Jim Harbaugh. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's the continuity, there's familiarity of him being at Michigan
Speaker 1: over the last two years. He was in Baltimore along
Speaker 1: with joh Ortiz and all those guys. So this is
Speaker 1: again it's the alignment, it's the philosophy, it's the belief,
Speaker 1: and it's the trust in his ability to maximize the
Speaker 1: staff and those around him. So jesse Minter has been
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator the last two years at Michigan. He
Speaker 1: was a defensive coordinator at Vanderbilt before that and worked
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Like I said, so a lot of alignment here, Tyler,
Speaker 1: what's kind of your initial thought as we look forward
Speaker 1: to what a potential Jesse Mintor defense might look like
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Well, I talked about acquiring players right and selecting the
Speaker 2: right players.
Speaker 3: Sure, you can do.
Speaker 2: That, That's half of it. Now they have to go
Speaker 2: onto the field and develop. And as Mentor pointed out
Speaker 2: in the quote I referenced earlier, Michigan was about development
Speaker 2: and that player development was at the epicenter of their programs.
Speaker 2: And I think he absolutely backs that up. And Michigan
Speaker 2: and Jim Harbor have backed that up. If you look
Speaker 2: at the quote unquote talent metric, which measures, you know,
Speaker 2: recruiting classes and compares recruiting classes. Not that Michigan was
Speaker 2: a D three school by any means, I'll see a
Speaker 2: lot of teams would kill to have the talent that
Speaker 2: they've had.
Speaker 3: But the last three college.
Speaker 2: Football champions before Michigan, in terms of talent Metric, those
Speaker 2: three teams, Georgia twice and then Alabama, were both second
Speaker 2: in talent metric, and since twenty fifteen when they kept
Speaker 2: track of talent Metric, no other team has been quote
Speaker 2: unquote worse than ninth. These are all top ten recruiting
Speaker 2: classes and overall groups. Michigan is the only one to
Speaker 2: rank outside the top ten and win the national championship.
Speaker 2: They were fourteenth in talent metric, which again is not bad.
Speaker 2: That's a very very good team. But they're still doing
Speaker 2: more with less, and that is so impressive. They went
Speaker 2: and beat Alabama, of course, and I'm sure they had
Speaker 2: a career recruiting class. Based on projections, it looks like
Speaker 2: Michigan's going to have seven players be drafted this year.
Speaker 2: And of those seven players, four of them were former
Speaker 2: three star recruits, two of them were former four star recruits,
Speaker 2: and the only one who's projected to be drafted that
Speaker 2: was a former five star recruit actually wasn't their recruit.
Speaker 2: He transferred from Alabama. So they've been able to take
Speaker 2: these players. And I'm just talking about defense here, and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying three stars bad binding means, are four
Speaker 2: stars bad bunding means. But these aren't that the five star,
Speaker 2: best player, number one player in their state, the country, etc.
Speaker 3: Kind of guys.
Speaker 2: They're taking these guys and turning them into NFL draft picks,
Speaker 2: and with that talent, again, which isn't quite the same
Speaker 2: as others. They were still first in total defense fourth,
Speaker 2: and red zone defense first, and scoring defense fourth and
Speaker 2: turnovers generated like they were an awesome defense obviously, and
Speaker 2: we've seen that they are three biggest games to close
Speaker 2: out the season against Iowa, Alabama, and Washington. Granted i
Speaker 2: was not exactly a high hot Dane offense, but still
Speaker 2: in those three games they only gave up eleven points
Speaker 2: per game. So when it absolutely mattered, the defense only
Speaker 2: gave up eleven points per game in those three games.
Speaker 2: That's what Michigan's doing. So if you can bring that
Speaker 2: to the Chargers now we're talking about not only the
Speaker 2: players that they're going to draft, but the ones that
Speaker 2: they have drafted that they have paid dayon Henley, how
Speaker 2: much better does he get now if they decided to
Speaker 2: bring in Jesse Minter j T.
Speaker 3: Woods.
Speaker 2: Right now, he's the safety too on the team. He
Speaker 2: is a starter as of right now. How much better
Speaker 2: is he going to get? How much higher can his
Speaker 2: ceiling be or how much higher really can his floor be?
Speaker 2: Because of mintor things like that. Derwin James. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's going to be what Kyle
Speaker 2: Hamilton has been for the Ravens this past year. But
Speaker 2: before Kyle Hamilton, it was Derwin James, and everyone wanted
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton to be the next Derwin James. Hamilton, of course,
Speaker 2: I think has at this point surpassed Derwin James. But
Speaker 2: there is a world where Derwin James gets back to
Speaker 2: being who we all fell in love with that rookie season,
Speaker 2: and I think Mintor could be the guy to do
Speaker 2: that the same way, the same way McDonald has done
Speaker 2: that for the Ravens. So again, great option here, not official,
Speaker 2: but I do think should they go.
Speaker 3: This route, it would be fantastic for the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think overall this would be a really strong
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. Jesse Minter and Mike McDonald
Speaker 1: obviously came up in the same tree under Wink Martindale
Speaker 1: for the most part, and the two of them have
Speaker 1: taken their own spin on the Wink defense, which is
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of pressure, a lot of simulated pressures,
Speaker 1: and we can get into specific numbers here in a minute,
Speaker 1: but it's this idea to make things extremely difficult on
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and that's what Jesse Minter and Mike McDonald
Speaker 1: have done such a great job of It's why Mike
Speaker 1: McDonald was one of the hottest head coaching candidates in
Speaker 1: this cycle. That's why he was one of the best
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. That's why jesse Mincher was one of the
Speaker 1: best defensive coordinators at the University of Michigan. And it's
Speaker 1: again philosophy that we're going to make things difficult on
Speaker 1: you and we're going to maximize our own abilities to
Speaker 1: get after, you know, our own development. And like Tyler
Speaker 1: is saying, so I think this is a really strong
Speaker 1: step in the direction for what you want, what everybody
Speaker 1: envisions of, you know, the next stage of defense. Like
Speaker 1: we've had this little hot streak if you all have,
Speaker 1: like the big Fangio defense, and now it seems like
Speaker 1: we're kind of getting back to pressure and simulated pressures
Speaker 1: and let's like heat up quarterbacks and let's make sure
Speaker 1: that we are making things as difficult as possible on them.
Speaker 1: And Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter a kind of like the
Speaker 1: next guys in that group. So I'm really excited about this.
Speaker 1: I think from a schematic standpoint, you look at kind
Speaker 1: of the biggest differences here Mike McDonald at Michigan at
Speaker 1: least ran more cover zero and more Cover one. He
Speaker 1: was able to, I think, take a little bit more
Speaker 1: chances because that Machigan defense had David Ojabal and Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 1: Jesse Menton never really had both of those guys. There
Speaker 1: was always one really quality edge rusher, but he didn't
Speaker 1: have those two guys who I both had as top
Speaker 1: fifteen grates. Aiden Hutchinson was the highest pass rusher on
Speaker 1: my board that year and he's certainly become a star
Speaker 1: in with the Lions. So you know, Mike McDonald was
Speaker 1: able to take more chances at Michigan, and I think
Speaker 1: that shows out in the numbers. But the interesting thing
Speaker 1: here to me is the simulated pressure numbers. In particular,
Speaker 1: Jesse Minster ran simulated pressures on thirty six point four
Speaker 1: percent of their dropacks this past season, and Mike McDonald
Speaker 1: at Michigan his season was twenty five percent. So again,
Speaker 1: Jesse Mintter really believes in muddying up the picture. Let's
Speaker 1: make things as difficult as possible up front. Let's make
Speaker 1: your offensive line think at every single turn, and then
Speaker 1: let's try and heat up your quarterback as much as
Speaker 1: we can. So I think his defense is perfect for
Speaker 1: what skill sets the Chargers. Have you mentioned Derwin James,
Speaker 1: I think two Lee two E Polow two is perfect
Speaker 1: for this kind of defense because he can drop into coverage,
Speaker 1: because he can rush over the middle, because he can
Speaker 1: he can be your edge rusher, he can push the pocket.
Speaker 1: This two lee is such a versatile piece that he's
Speaker 1: going to be perfect in jesse Mentor's defense. Again, assuming
Speaker 1: that is the decision here, but you know, you have
Speaker 1: your your core pieces in Derwin and too Ley. The
Speaker 1: rest of your roster kind of needs to be figured out.
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty great place for jesse Minter to
Speaker 1: start out. And I think both of those guys would
Speaker 1: be moved around a lot and play extremely fast and
Speaker 1: impact the football at a really high level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really exciting.
Speaker 2: I know that you know that you don't need to
Speaker 2: have the number one defense, and I don't expect the
Speaker 2: Chargers have the Ravens defense in the years.
Speaker 3: It's not that simple.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be that quick at the very least,
Speaker 2: but I am excited for the prospect that the Chargers
Speaker 2: are going to have a defense that again, as we
Speaker 2: sort of joked about what this special teams look, just
Speaker 2: get justin Herbert. Just get this unit to the twenties,
Speaker 2: like heaven forbid its sixteenth in the league. Just get
Speaker 2: them there and this team would win several more games
Speaker 2: than they did last year. So if Minter can bring
Speaker 2: even two thirds of what McDonald was able to bring
Speaker 2: to the Ravens, the Chargers are going to be very
Speaker 2: very good, very very soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And don't I don't want it to be like
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about, you know, average being the twenties.
Speaker 1: The Chargers defense is going to have to have some turnover.
Speaker 1: Like there's gonna be a very young group in my opinion,
Speaker 1: maybe some cheap veterans here and there. This isn't going
Speaker 1: to be like the twenty eighteen defense that had all
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, hitting their primes of their careers
Speaker 1: at the same time and just everybody's making plays. This
Speaker 1: isn't going to be you know, Sean Merriman and Seohn
Speaker 1: Phillips and everybody hitting their prime at the same time
Speaker 1: back in the day. Like, there are going to be
Speaker 1: some lumps next year. But I think Jesse Minzer can
Speaker 1: can maximize the talent, whatever talent he has. Use some
Speaker 1: chess pieces, maybe Kolil mac Jolly Wilson stick around, We'll
Speaker 1: see and the pieces are there for them to be
Speaker 1: at least better than what they were last year. That's
Speaker 1: the floor for me is kind of, you know, low twenties,
Speaker 1: I think would be great. Obviously, anything better than that,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, you know, rule that out, because I
Speaker 1: think Jesse Minster is a great coordinator and the Chargers
Speaker 1: could certainly revamp this thing in a hurry. But I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not expecting like number one defense right away from
Speaker 1: a potential defensive shakeout.
Speaker 3: How dare you?
Speaker 2: How dare you realistic expectations and not demand excellence right away?
Speaker 3: What I think too? And I was definitely worried.
Speaker 2: About this watching the game, and I think Chargers fans
Speaker 2: were worth they were watching the game against the Chiefs
Speaker 2: and the Ravens of the Chiefs and the AFT Championship game. Yes,
Speaker 2: the Ravens did end up losing. Sure, they gave up
Speaker 2: seventeen points, but early on everything was working for the
Speaker 2: Chiefs yea. And suddenly things were not working for the
Speaker 2: Chiefs and things were just off a little bit. There
Speaker 2: was more pressure. Mahomes was consistently hit, and I don't
Speaker 2: believe they scored in the in the second half, no
Speaker 2: zero for a single point in the second half, Like,
Speaker 2: can we just imagine that for a second, Like Chargers fans,
Speaker 2: think of every Chargers Chiefs game you've watched outside of
Speaker 2: the two Arrowhead wins, and I think I don't recall
Speaker 2: exactly what it was, but I believe the Chargers have
Speaker 2: had a lead before this season in like all six
Speaker 2: of their games going into half and they were one
Speaker 2: in five or whatever. It was the idea, the thought
Speaker 2: that the Chargers. I'm not saying this is going to
Speaker 2: happen immediately, but just the potential for the Chargers to
Speaker 2: put to blank the Chiefs in the second half like
Speaker 2: that is pretty awesome. I'm excited for that against very early.
Speaker 2: You know, it is the off season.
Speaker 3: I got to see these things happen, got to see
Speaker 3: a higher but it is very exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can pinpoint the opposite half, but
Speaker 1: same kind of deal against Alabama in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Alabama Crimson Tide were coming off of
Speaker 1: this amazing, you know, undefeated SEC season. Jaylon Milroe was
Speaker 1: getting a ton of Heisman hype. People were talking about
Speaker 1: this that group being Nick Saban's best offense and his
Speaker 1: best coaching job, and they completely shut them out in
Speaker 1: the first in the first half, like Alabama had to
Speaker 1: completely abandon any kind of traditional passing offense that they wanted.
Speaker 1: It became run heavy, it became zone read RPO, like
Speaker 1: they had to just like say, hey, like, we're not
Speaker 1: even gonna try to do deep dropbacks because your defense
Speaker 1: is too good. And that was against Alabama, again, one
Speaker 1: of the best offenses in the country. What they did
Speaker 1: against Michael Pennix and we we had Trevor Sikima on
Speaker 1: the show last week talking about Romo Dunese being a
Speaker 1: potential pick at number five overall, and yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a good game. He's a great player, but that Washington
Speaker 1: offense looked like a shell of itself. I watched a
Speaker 1: ton of Washington football this year. I did not see
Speaker 1: a single defense play as good against them as Michigan
Speaker 1: did in the National Championship. So it's just the ability
Speaker 1: to make things difficult. You want to be a run
Speaker 1: heavy team, We're going to load the box and our
Speaker 1: guys are going to beat you up. You want to
Speaker 1: be a passive a team, We're gonna muddy up the
Speaker 1: picture up front, our corners in our safeties are gonna
Speaker 1: fly around and make plays. It's such a fun unit
Speaker 1: to watch. I've started to really watch them because of
Speaker 1: the draft prospects and obviously because of Jim Harbaugh. Now
Speaker 1: that defense flies around every single play, everybody makes plays,
Speaker 1: everybody's into it. I'm super excited about the possibilities here
Speaker 1: that jesse Minzer can bring to the Chargers because of
Speaker 1: the just the the culture, of the identity, the schematics,
Speaker 1: everything just fits with what I envision is like the
Speaker 1: next era of Chargers football going forward.
Speaker 3: And just that flexibility is so key.
Speaker 2: We've heard it from the locker room, from the quotes
Speaker 2: that have come out, just on the lack of flexibility,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of been organizational. I feel like, from
Speaker 2: top to bottom, whether that's you know, GM, whether that's
Speaker 2: head coach, whether that's coordinators, whatever, the lack of flexibility,
Speaker 2: the inflexibility.
Speaker 3: Has not been great for a lot of players.
Speaker 2: And some players just are like, look, hey, we got
Speaker 2: to change this, We got to do something different. And
Speaker 2: I just think being able to adapt to the players
Speaker 2: that you have and be player friendly, not try to
Speaker 2: just force the scheme or force these certain concepts or
Speaker 2: rather just adapt to the players is so huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kund of were sent there. We've kind of hinted
Speaker 1: at it here. We wanted to have a discussion about
Speaker 1: how soon the Chargers could become contenders under Jim Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: Jesse Minter, Joe Ortiz again hypothetically theoretically, not official yet.
Speaker 1: So that's the conversation we want to finish the show
Speaker 1: today with, is how soon can the Chargers become contenders?
Speaker 1: We're going to qualify this as like the divisional round,
Speaker 1: Like how soon can the Chargers potentially get to the
Speaker 1: divisional round because that's, you know, kind of the the
Speaker 1: final eight. Those are the best eight teams in each
Speaker 1: conference there, and I wanted to kind of my brain
Speaker 1: first went to, like, Okay, everybody's making the comparison between
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers in twenty eleven and the Chargers
Speaker 1: what they could be in twenty twenty four. I do
Speaker 1: kind of want to push back on that a bit
Speaker 1: because just from a roster construction standpoint, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: line up. So if you look if you go back
Speaker 1: and look at the twenty eleven forty nine Ers, the
Speaker 1: majority of the core of that team that Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: it took over, was already in place, and Delaney Walker,
Speaker 1: who was a part of that, piece a great tight
Speaker 1: end for them and obviously the Tennessee Titans. After that,
Speaker 1: he spoke on Busting with the Boys the Barstool Podcast
Speaker 1: and he made the point that the group, the talent
Speaker 1: was all there. The culture was what needed to be reset.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh had to come in and get everybody to
Speaker 1: buy in, everybody to you know, really believe that they
Speaker 1: could take that next step as a team. It was
Speaker 1: not the roster. The roster did not need to be reset.
Speaker 1: You look at Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Delaney Walker,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Joe Staley, Patrick Willis, Michael Krabgree, Mike you Potty,
Speaker 1: Justin Smith, Amad Brooks, Nabarro Bowman. Those guys were all
Speaker 1: there already and that's the core of the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers team that made that push. The only real addition
Speaker 1: that made a strong impact that year that Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: selected was Alden Smith. So it's a very different situation
Speaker 1: for me because the Chargers are we've talked about in
Speaker 1: kind of a stage of flux. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: veteran pieces that are potential cut candidates or will be
Speaker 1: free agents. There's not like a core of ten players
Speaker 1: that's going to carry over from last season to this season.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to make that distinction because people are
Speaker 1: talking about it, and obviously it's extremely relevant that Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh can do that and has done that everywhere he's been.
Speaker 1: But the comparison to me is like, maybe from a
Speaker 1: record standpoint, like they were six and ten and the
Speaker 1: Chargers were five and twelve, But from the roster standpoint,
Speaker 1: this is a very different situation than Jim Harbaugh is
Speaker 1: inheriting this season for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: We don't even know what the vision is for the team.
Speaker 2: We discussed previously, Hey, they could just trade several players
Speaker 2: and acquire as many young rookie picks as they can,
Speaker 2: but really make that push in twenty twenty five when
Speaker 2: a lot more contracts roped the books, less dead money,
Speaker 2: et cetera. They genuinely themselves could be looking at twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five and going, hey, that's when we're really going
Speaker 2: to make the push. Also, one thing I do want
Speaker 2: to add, which I think is important, is that the
Speaker 2: best team in the NFC West in twenty ten, before
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers got there.
Speaker 3: In terms of record was the Seahawks, where the record
Speaker 3: of seven and nine.
Speaker 2: The Kansas City Chiefs are going to the super Bowl
Speaker 2: for the forty seventh time in the last twelve years.
Speaker 2: It's a very different division and it didn't conference wasn't
Speaker 2: until it wasn't until twenty twelve that the Seahawks finally
Speaker 2: had their winning record, because the next year, in twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: the next best team I believe was eight and eight,
Speaker 2: and that was the Cardinals, And then the Seahawks started
Speaker 2: to make their push and they eventually overtook the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers. So it's also a very different division. So
Speaker 2: we're talking about do the Chargers make you know, the
Speaker 2: top eight here? Do they make that the eight to
Speaker 2: finish out the co I don't really know, or each conference,
Speaker 2: I should say, I don't know that the Chargers are
Speaker 2: going to do that as easily as some might hope
Speaker 2: because of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: It is not quite the same situation.
Speaker 2: The forty nine Ers were primed to take the jump
Speaker 2: in their division because there wasn't really anybody else. Again,
Speaker 2: seven or nine was the best record that year for
Speaker 2: someone else in the NFC West. The Chargers have the
Speaker 2: Chiefs in their division. We'll see about the Broncos, We'll
Speaker 2: see about the Raiders. But you know, I want the
Speaker 2: Chargers do well, to do well. Of course, I hope
Speaker 2: they win the division this year, but that NOD does
Speaker 2: go to the Chiefs until proven otherwise. They're in the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl again. They've been their sixth straight AFT championship.
Speaker 2: So I think that basically I'm priming this and what
Speaker 2: we're about to talk about with I don't think the
Speaker 2: Chargers win the division, So I think we're talking about
Speaker 2: sneaking in as a wildcard team and then seeing if
Speaker 2: they can win one of those wildcard games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's a much more you know,
Speaker 1: realistic expectation for where this team is going to be
Speaker 1: at in twenty twenty four. Again, that's a drastic improvement
Speaker 1: of making the playoffs and like thinking that they could
Speaker 1: really you know, do some damage in the playoffs of
Speaker 1: where we were at, you know, two months ago, three
Speaker 1: months ago obviously. So Jim Harbaugh is a great coach.
Speaker 1: We just talked about Jesse Minter, we just talked about
Speaker 1: Jeo Ortis I'm not putting anything past this group, but
Speaker 1: the roster, to me, like it needs to be discussed
Speaker 1: that this is not everybody's talking, you know, media wise
Speaker 1: about the roster from last season being this great veteranlated roster.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be the same. The roster is
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of turnover. They're going to
Speaker 1: have to hit on some young guys. Can they do that? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: We just talked about Geoorties and his ability to hit,
Speaker 1: you know, play the board, and it hit hit on
Speaker 1: some young guys. So that's that is why, like my
Speaker 1: brain is like, okay, can they contend? Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the roster first. The second thing that I think
Speaker 1: is worth mentioning is like, what does that really look
Speaker 1: like for the NFL. The easiest way to do that
Speaker 1: for the Chargers is to have a bona fide, legitimate
Speaker 1: top ten offense. I know that there's still a lot
Speaker 1: of like defensive win championships, and the defense certainly played
Speaker 1: some great football this past weekend. The easiest way to
Speaker 1: make sure that you are playing football in the division
Speaker 1: round is to have a top ten offense. If you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers from an EPA per play standpoint
Speaker 1: and a success rate standpoint. The only team that was
Speaker 1: not at least borderline top ten in terms of offensive
Speaker 1: potential that was in the Division round was the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. But the Buccaneers were so good at hitting
Speaker 1: on explosive plays with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin all
Speaker 1: those guys that they were really like flirting with that line.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was at least like at the top ten
Speaker 1: range or higher, even the Chiefs, who appeared to have
Speaker 1: like this this very average offense all season. They were
Speaker 1: eleventh in EPA per play and success rate. So that's
Speaker 1: the number from an offensive standpoint. The question is, obviously,
Speaker 1: what do the Chargers have to do to get there
Speaker 1: and how realistic is that possibility season.
Speaker 2: That's a really good question, and that is impossible to
Speaker 2: really answer this point until we see what happens, what
Speaker 2: happens at center, what happens at wide receiver, what happens
Speaker 2: at tight end, what happens at running back. You know
Speaker 2: that there's so much the Chargers have to figure out
Speaker 2: that It's a question that we can definitely address again
Speaker 2: and we will address again after the draft, after free agency.
Speaker 2: During the summer at some point when we see how
Speaker 2: some of these injuries, you know, play out, how people return,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So that is definitely one one thing I
Speaker 2: do need to bring up, and I think that I'm
Speaker 2: sure we're all thinking the same thing. The good news
Speaker 2: about not being very good one season is that you
Speaker 2: get to play the NFL worst schedule in terms of
Speaker 2: sure you are the division quote unquote loser. Therefore you
Speaker 2: get to play that schedule and it benefits the Chargers
Speaker 2: tremendously that they will play ten games against teams who
Speaker 2: finished fourteenth or worse. I would say picking fourteenth or higher,
Speaker 2: but the Panthers don't on their pick, so I will
Speaker 2: say they play ten games against teams who finished fourteenth
Speaker 2: or worse, and it really helps them that half of
Speaker 2: their road games are against teams that are going to
Speaker 2: be who finished bottom eight in the NFL. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot going on on their schedule. You know, some
Speaker 2: teams new coaches, the Panthers, the Patriots, the Falcons, the Titans.
Speaker 2: These are all teams that are going to be picking
Speaker 2: top eight. They've got new coaches or there's trying to
Speaker 2: find new coaches. The Chargers really do, I think have
Speaker 2: a bit more of an advantage here because of Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 2: It's very different, and this is why you spend the money.
Speaker 2: There are first time head coaches with their franchises, and
Speaker 2: they're coaches entering their first year with these franchises, and
Speaker 2: then there's Jim Harbaugh entering his first year with the Charges.
Speaker 2: It is just very different. And you have some like
Speaker 2: Horti's who sure first year GM, longtime guy in the
Speaker 2: NFL with a lot of success, these sort of things.
Speaker 2: These pairings are going to do well for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: So you know, if they hit in the draft, I
Speaker 2: do think they're going to be pretty good.
Speaker 3: How close we'll see Chargers fans? I pulled them.
Speaker 2: Two thousand fans responded in the poll, and they said
Speaker 2: the Charges would be contenders in twenty twenty four or
Speaker 2: actuld say fifty five percent and said the Charges would
Speaker 2: be consistent playoff contenders starting in twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: forty percent of them said twenty twenty five. So I
Speaker 2: guess we got to ask the question, then, Steven, where
Speaker 2: are you at?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Jim Harbaugh made him himself very clear
Speaker 1: on Sunday on CBS why he came back to the Chargers.
Speaker 1: He he's coming back to win a super Bowl and
Speaker 1: that's that's the bar for him to reach. How long
Speaker 1: that takes, we'll see. Obviously, winning the super Bowl is extremely,
Speaker 1: extremely difficult. But to me, if you're asking me how
Speaker 1: soon can the Chargers reach their divisional round, I think
Speaker 1: it will be twenty twenty four. But it's going to
Speaker 1: take a lot of things to go their way. You
Speaker 1: have to hit on some draft picks. You have to
Speaker 1: get some veterans in here on the cheap who can
Speaker 1: maximize their contract. Is it possible one hundred percent? You
Speaker 1: mentioned the schedule. Jim Harbaugh is going to have a
Speaker 1: coaching advantage every single week for the most part, you know,
Speaker 1: on the Charger of schedule, they're gonna have a quarterback
Speaker 1: advantage on the for the most part, every single week
Speaker 1: on their schedule. Is it possible that they look at
Speaker 1: that schedule and they can go, you know, eleven and six? Probably?
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, a realistic outcome. Is it
Speaker 1: Is it a season that I want to bet on
Speaker 1: that they make the division round on I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: say no. And I know that's probably gonna make people
Speaker 1: say unhappy. But I just think, like I mentioned, the
Speaker 1: roster is going to really undergo some some over corrections,
Speaker 1: shall we say, to the point where it's gonna look
Speaker 1: very very different, you know, uh heading into twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think from a roster standpoint, the goal is to
Speaker 1: have that roster ready to rock in twenty twenty five. Again,
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, justin Herbert definitely, you know, Rashawn Slater, maybe
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen will see there. Maybe Mike Williams sixs around,
Speaker 1: we'll see there. This core of offense can certainly reach
Speaker 1: that number. It can certainly win you some games. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going to predict that to happen
Speaker 1: right now. Playoffs, yes, I'm on board with them being
Speaker 1: a playoff team in twenty twenty four, but winning a
Speaker 1: playoff game, making it to the division round or further,
Speaker 1: I'm not there quite just yet. I need to see
Speaker 1: how the offseason goes before I can make that declaration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and are an agreement that we
Speaker 2: will pick them to make the postseason in some capacity.
Speaker 3: I think that's what Jim Harbaugh does.
Speaker 2: I can't be doing handstands and cartwheels and crazing everybody
Speaker 2: and all these acquisitions, and then say they're going to
Speaker 2: miss the postseason.
Speaker 3: We're excited for a reason, and Jim Harbor is that reason.
Speaker 2: So yes, I do believe the Charges will make the
Speaker 2: postseason in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: You have Justin Herbert. You're going to be good.
Speaker 2: And I think what they lose in terms of players
Speaker 2: because the several players are going to be gone, that
Speaker 2: is the nature of the salary cap, the salary cap
Speaker 2: being real, roster turnover, new regimes, et cetera. What they
Speaker 2: lose in those players that go, they make up for
Speaker 2: in the maxization of the players on their roster.
Speaker 3: Whether that's coaching, whether.
Speaker 2: That's a new facility, whether it's the strength and conditioning coach,
Speaker 2: whether it's the new money poured into an analytics department, whatever,
Speaker 2: those things are going to matter. So we could see,
Speaker 2: like you take this exact same group and give them
Speaker 2: to another very high qualified, first year head coach, and
Speaker 2: I think we're saying something different. I genuinely believe with
Speaker 2: all the turnover that this team does not make the
Speaker 2: postseason in.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: But you have Jim Harbaugh, and that is an advantage
Speaker 2: the Chargers have not had in a very very long time.
Speaker 2: And I just think the maximization of your roster, where
Speaker 2: like you said, they're finding hidden ways to win in
Speaker 2: the draft, where they're going to be the toughest team,
Speaker 2: and you know, Jim Harbaugh would track how many reps
Speaker 2: in practice that their team would do and say, ha,
Speaker 2: no one else is doing more than the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Like that is Jim Harbor. They're going to win every day,
Speaker 2: every second, every minute, and Jim Harbaugh wants it so bad.
Speaker 2: Like you said, there's no Lombardi Trophy in college football.
Speaker 2: All that dude wants is a championship. And I think
Speaker 2: he's the perfect pairing for a quarterback who just wants
Speaker 2: to freaking win. He just wants to go out there
Speaker 2: and when that's all he wants, it's football, and it's
Speaker 2: when he wants to do that. They've got a coach
Speaker 2: who can definitely bring that. So I agree playoffs in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Can they win at a game and
Speaker 2: get to the divisional round? I think yes, that slightly
Speaker 2: depends on who they're playing. A lot of really good
Speaker 2: teams out there, of course in the AFC and really
Speaker 2: the AFC is up in the air right now. How
Speaker 2: many quarterbacks were not playing or how many good teams
Speaker 2: missed the postseason because.
Speaker 3: The quarterback got hurt. But yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: The Chargers will make the playoffs in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: as long as everyone stays relatively healthy, of course, and
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's out there.
Speaker 3: I feel good about the team, and I feel even
Speaker 3: better in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great point about the coaching standpoint,
Speaker 1: because there were first time head coaches that I would
Speaker 1: I am pretty excited about. But that changes the trajectory
Speaker 1: of the team. Like we're talking about all this roster turnover.
Speaker 1: But I'm still expecting them to make to be a
Speaker 1: playoff team because of Jim Harbaugh, because of Joe or Teas,
Speaker 1: because of Justin Herbert. Lots of j H's going around
Speaker 1: fun fact, But I think this trio of men, if
Speaker 1: you will have the goods to be able to take
Speaker 1: them to that playoff step and see what happens to
Speaker 1: me the real like contender, Like that's twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: when the Chargers could have more money, more picks, a
Speaker 1: year in the system, all that stuff. Playoff team in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, potential super Bowl threat in twenty twenty five. That,
Speaker 1: to me is the goal, that's the timeline. If this
Speaker 1: were a first year coach, you're probably talking about like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's be a little frisky like seven and ten next
Speaker 1: year and be a playoff team in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: But this is Jim Harma we're talking about. This is
Speaker 1: a playoff team in twenty twenty four, potential super Bowl
Speaker 1: threat in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's assume the Chiefs get the number one seed
Speaker 2: next year. Sure, why not? They're in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So let's seem to get the number one seed. Do
Speaker 2: the Chargers when I pick the Chargers to then go
Speaker 2: win in Baltimore, win in Buffalo, these places probably not,
Speaker 2: you know, I think you have to respect what those
Speaker 2: teams are able to do and how far they get
Speaker 2: in the postseason typically, So yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they would go beat the AFC Juggernauts right now, but
Speaker 2: you never know. You that four team, that fourteen that
Speaker 2: win the division that maybe isn't so great.
Speaker 3: You happen to play that team then maybe, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whoever wins the AFC South is going down that's gonna
Speaker 1: tell the age well oh boy, but man, it's an
Speaker 1: exciting day. Like I mentioned, the season is going to
Speaker 1: look so different. There's a lot of change on the horizon,
Speaker 1: I think for the better. You know, all of these
Speaker 1: things coming together at the same time that the new
Speaker 1: facility is opening up and Elsa. You know, it feels
Speaker 1: really almost poetic to me. I'm just like, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: This season was such a frustrating season. I know all
Speaker 1: of you listening feel that same way. But it's been
Speaker 1: it's been quite the reward over the last week. It's
Speaker 1: been a fun ride. We podcasted like basically every day
Speaker 1: last week, live streaming with all of you. It's been
Speaker 1: a great turnout. The Chargers did that awesome video featuring
Speaker 1: our reactions along with alongside some other great Charges content creators.
Speaker 1: So it's been a ton of fun to cover. I
Speaker 1: know most of you have had a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: you know, searching everything on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, whatever and
Speaker 1: all that stuff too. So exciting times ahead for sure, Tyler.
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts before we had out today.
Speaker 2: You know, as a biology major and haven't done research before,
Speaker 2: I'm something of a scientist myself and I've gone through
Speaker 2: all the research and I've just kind of had a
Speaker 2: little side project, right, and I was really trying to
Speaker 2: answer the question because I really want to do the
Speaker 2: research here of you know, who has it better than us.
Speaker 2: And after going through all the research and reading all
Speaker 2: the articles, it turns out the answer is nobody.
Speaker 1: Nice little Spider Man reference there at the end. I'd
Speaker 1: love to see it. Love to see it. That video
Speaker 1: that The Charge is released today where he said the
Speaker 1: nobody for the first time in powder Blues. That was
Speaker 1: an excellent touch by the Charge of social media page.
Speaker 1: Just a fantastic work there. So thank you guys so
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